017 BLACK HOLES - WHAT EVEN IS LIGHT

This week the Henchmen start with one simple question; “what is light?”, then immediately spiral into black holes, time distortion, Sagittarius A*, wormholes, alien civilizations, and whether black holes are cosmic gateways. Tune in before you get spaghettified. 

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Transcript

Michelle 0:14

The transmission start now.

Bobby 0:17

Let's talk about space, baby.

Michelle 0:20

Let's talk about space, baby.

Bobby 0:23

I mean, I really obviously love aliens, you know, very, very fascinated by that. And and in looking for topics to do or thinking about things to do, it's really easy to get stuck on planet Earth. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Because it's so flat, it's really easy to get stuck. Um, but just like, you know, when all the alien encounters that that happen here, but where do they come from? You know where they come from. So it was it was fun. It was a fun kind of thought exercise just to expand my mind a little bit and think about that sort of stuff. And where I landed was the center of the Milky Way galaxy, which we are a part of, Greg. I don't care what you say. And that's 26,000 light years away. And a lot of research on this, I just felt like such a stoner because I just haven't kept having to go back to basic concepts, like a light year. And in order to think about light years, I just had to be like, what is light? You know, to understand these things, there's like basic points of understanding, which I had very few of, you know, come to find out. Is it a particle? Is it a wing? Yeah, there's just a lot of things that we like take for granted. Like light year for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Light years, anyways.

Michelle 1:30

Yeah. Okay. Hi. Yeah, I'm Michelle.

Bobby 1:32

Are you are you about to ask what is a light year?

Michelle 1:34

I'm Michelle.

unknown 1:35

Yeah.

Michelle 1:35

Bobby. You've been talking for 10 seconds. Yeah. And already I'm like drooling. I don't know what's happening. What is light? Where is space? Is the Milky Way where we are? And the world's flat?

unknown 1:49

What?

Michelle 1:49

Like, what just happened? And I feel attacked.

Bobby 1:51

According to my calculations, the world is not flat. Okay. Let's start there for the for the sake of this podcast. But no, I like I appreciate those questions. These are basic things that again, we just like take for granted. When you get into space, it's like so easy to get out of the realm of things that our minds can comprehend very quickly.

Michelle 2:10

Yeah, I'm already, I'm already there. I can't comprehend. What Bobby, please tell me what is light.

Bobby 2:15

Light light is electromagnetic radiation. It doesn't really explain that.

Michelle 2:20

I'm getting there. You gotta give me a chance. You gotta give me a chance.

Bobby 2:24

Light is electromagnetic radiation. And so there's many elements of that. Radio waves, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet light, X-rays. Hold on.

Michelle 2:33

I know I'm freaking out. I gotta breathe. Yeah, let me explain. Okay, okay.

Bobby 2:37

So there's all these things. So we have evolved just to see a very like small spectrum of visible light. So that's like the you know, the light that we see, this rainbow spectrum. Um, but light essentially for the purposes of talking about space in this context, um, is electromagnetic radioation radiation. So it's radio waves coming across space, but not visible light as we think about it. And so the speed of a light a light year is the the distance that light, these electromagnetic waves, the distance they travel over one year. And uh, which is the just to back up a quick second, like all these elements of light that come into play uh when talking about space, like the the speed of light as it pertains to space-time, light years is a relative measurement of time and distance, and we've just evolved to see that narrow sliver. Um but there are so many and we're gonna we're gonna really focus on black holes today. And so black holes do not emit light, but the things around them do. So light is kind of coming into play in many different different ways that we're talking today. Um a light year, the distance light travels in one year is 5.88 trillion miles. So just under six trillion miles. And just to like, you know, keep it loose, what we just rounded off there was 120 billion miles. And so this is why we use light years, because it's like, what the fuck even is that? Yeah. What what you just said, and like the center of the Milky Way, we said it's 26,000 light years away. That's 153 quadrillion miles.

Greg 4:16

I can't even my brain can't even hear your and that's just our galaxy.

Michelle 4:22

I know. I have a really dumb question really fast.

Greg 4:25

Yeah.

Michelle 4:26

If we're in the Milky Way, yeah, how come I can see?

Bobby 4:29

Yeah, we're gonna get to that at the very end of the year. Okay, six, six, six, six. I'm gonna tell you about that. So um, but so this is this is why we use light years to measure this stuff, because our brains cannot understand 153 quadrillion, but we can comprehend 26,000.

Michelle 4:44

Yeah, yeah.

Bobby 4:45

Or one that's a number that we can comprehend is 26,000. So light years, you know, compress this um to something that we can wrap our our brains around.

Greg 4:54

Uh it's like any like unit of measurement. Like if we're going to say like one mile, it's like, well, what is what is that word mile? Yeah, yeah. And it's like a certain amount of feet. Well, what is a foot? It's a certain amount of inches, like centimeters. Yeah.

Michelle 5:08

If you told me uh, you know, one football field, I'm like, okay, I can understand that. But if you told me, you know, that's eight trillion centimeters, I'm like, what no?

Bobby 5:17

Yep. And so yeah, it's it's just this like real like shorthand that our brain does, you know, like that light year is a specific distance, which you are completely unable to comprehend.

unknown 5:28

Got it.

Bobby 5:28

So we're just gonna like for the sake of conversation, we're gonna talk about it in this way. Um and I I find black holes really interesting because I think another thing that that our brains can't wrap around is like the infinite limitness, of space, you know, of just the endlessness of the universe. But I think a lot of the elements of the endlessness of the universe, those mysteries are also manifest in black holes. And black holes are like a thing that we can see and think about and kind of conceptualize. So I think that's where a lot of the human interest in black holes, because it's it's it's a lot of the same contemplating a lot of the same things of the limitlessness and the endlessness of the universe, but in a way that we can like pretend to understand.

Michelle 6:11

Yeah, I'm already like I've got so many questions, but also I have got answers for two to three of them. Okay, great, great, great, great. I'm gonna hit you with a question, but first I have a statement, which is that I have not smoked weed in like 18 years. Yeah. I feel so stoned right now. I'm already like, whoa, dude, wait.

Bobby 6:28

So like light This was my whole research process was just feeling so stoned. Yeah, I feel stoned. What is space time? Dude, you know, all of these, all of these things, yeah.

Michelle 6:38

I can now, all right. So like the way you're I still don't understand what a light year is, really, but I do understand that my brain can't comprehend it. So like fucking let it go, you know? It's one, yeah, it's fine. But like, who the fuck made up a light year? And how the fuck do we know how far that actually is and what even is light?

Bobby 6:57

Let me throw this at you, which will help you understand it a little bit more and less simultaneously. Sure. That because the center of the Milky Way is 26,000 light years away, so that when we are like that's a measurement. Yeah, it's a it's a just hold on, bear with me. So when we are looking at the Milky Way, we're seeing it as it was 26,000 years ago.

Michelle 7:22

Isn't that nuts?

Bobby 7:23

Yeah, and that's before recorded history, before agriculture, before civilization. That's what we're seeing. And so I is the light, the light is simultaneously telling us how far, but also when how long we are seeing, which is a crazy concept. This is like the stoner thing, is like, when am I looking at?

Michelle 7:42

Yeah.

Bobby 7:44

But it's so it's true when you're looking at space. That is a part of the equation, is when am I looking at is also like where, how far, but also when.

Greg 7:54

Science is so trippy. It's essentially how like they can predict that stars will be collapsing soon. Right. They know how long like a life cycle of a star is at this point, and like they can essentially see it starting, like its death spirals, essentially. And it's just like, oh, that's what would have happened like X amount of millions of years ago. It already happened, right? Like a million years ago.

Michelle 8:15

But they can predict it because it's actually in the past.

Greg 8:19

Essentially, yeah. And like we're looking at stars that collapsed a billion years ago, and that that information is just now coming and now hitting Earth as electromagnetic waves.

Michelle 8:29

Like aka light. Yeah, right. Yeah, bro. He dies.

Bobby 8:35

So at the center of the Milky Way is a black hole called Sagittarius A star.

Michelle 8:41

What up, girl?

Bobby 8:42

I don't know why Sagitt A star.

unknown 8:44

Yeah, what up?

Greg 8:47

That was a weird noise I just made.

Bobby 8:50

So Sagittarius A Star is a supermassive black hole, and it's again at the center of the Milky Way. Getting into black holes is so interesting because you get into a world of theoretical physics. So a lot of everything that is said is theoretical. Right. A lot of it is backed up by mathematics, but still unproven and theoretical. So there's like these different kinds of like stages. There's like it's all unknown. We don't know anything. Like these are all theoretical models. Like none of it's like actually factually known, but a lot of it fits these models. But then there's things that don't even fit the models. So like the smartest minds in the world and the authorities on these things, they're like, we don't know.

Michelle 9:28

You know, they have no great perfect.

Bobby 9:31

So with a black hole, gravity isn't pulling force, it's the curvature of space-time. So if you think about space as like a stretched rubber sheet, you put like a bowling ball on it, and there's a dip like goes down. So that dip is what's pulling. And then if you like drop a marble on that sheet, it's gonna like circle and get pulled into that. So that's what's going on in space with gravity. You know, that's what's going on in on Earth. If you picture it, you know, against the rubber sheet of space-time and pulling, that's where our gravitational pull comes from. So it's like this rubber sheet, but is like everywhere in all directions and being pulled everywhere in all directions.

Michelle 10:09

Um you're freaking me out, man.

Bobby 10:10

Yeah, yeah. I'm freaking myself out.

Michelle 10:12

You're freaking me out really hard right now.

Bobby 10:14

Uh yeah, I've been on a journey.

Greg 10:16

In terms of like the theoretical side of it too, I think it was uh Einstein that came up with the theory of black holes, or like he theorized it, like in his mathematics, he came to this conclusion that there has to be something that's doing this. Yeah. So he essentially came up with the I don't think he came up with the term black hole, but he came up with the concept of that being present. Back then, I think he was even like, oh, that's crazy. Like it's just how about your equations are wrong.

Michelle 10:42

Right.

Greg 10:42

And like that doesn't exist.

Michelle 10:43

Yeah.

Greg 10:44

And I think a lot of people saw it that way. Uh, and then eventually was proven right. And like it's just like, yeah, so mathematics does take us so far into like from theory to fact, there's so many of those types of equations that still exist today that we have no way of actually making known.

Michelle 11:01

Like right. I feel like when we say, Oh, his equations turned it into fact, and we know this now until it's disproven and new math says something else. Right.

Greg 11:14

That happens all the time. It breaks. And that's that's science. Like, that's the that's the purpose of it. There is no like one thing, and like the whole idea of science is that it changes. That's the whole point.

Bobby 11:23

And so much of investigating physics and and making this stuff happen is like because it is it's space and it's so abstract, you kind of just have to like pick a starting point and then try a bunch of stuff. Right. And sometimes it works. And it seems like a lot of physics is like it mostly works. And I just couldn't I couldn't help but think of like a number puzzle, you know, or a crossword puzzle or like a sudoku or something like that. And and oftentimes when you get close to getting it right, it's like sometimes at the end, when you get close to getting it right, it's like, oh, okay, like, no, no, I needed the eight here and the nine here. You just have to transpose those. But sometimes every number is wrong.

Michelle 11:58

Yeah.

Bobby 11:59

Sometimes you're so close to finishing it, yeah, and then you realize that it doesn't work at all and everything is wrong. Yeah, so that stuff happens all the time in physics. It's like this model is so close to working, it's so close to explaining this thing. Yeah, but then it's like, no, everything is wrong.

Michelle 12:14

Fuck dude. All that's wrong. Oh my god, could you imagine working your whole life on something and then the whole puzzle's wrong? No.

Bobby 12:20

That's what all these people each other, too. They're like disproving each other all the time. Yeah.

Michelle 12:26

Oh, that's fun and awful.

Bobby 12:28

I just want to also like, I just thought this was so interesting in like the different types of people there are. There's there's a guy named Carl Schwarzschild, who's a big figure in early black hole stuff based on work that Einstein did. And he provided the first exact solution of like Einstein's equations for general relativity. But he did so while in the trenches on the Russian front in World War One.

Michelle 12:51

Oh, yeah, like from the battlefield. Yeah.

Bobby 12:54

He's there, he had like nothing else to do. He had like a journal article that Einstein had written, and then he's just like in the trench, just thinking. Doing math, just thinking with his awesome brain and just like making sense of this stuff. And the stuff that he made sense of in the trenches is still like foundational work in black holes. Like he was right, yeah, you know, crazy man. I just like think about like myself and like how dumb I am and how I'd spend my stupid time. And then it's just like there's guys like this that's just like doing these things simultaneously, yeah. It's crazy.

Greg 13:30

It's like come over here, big boy. Shooting people, then he's like immediately like, oh black holes.

Michelle 13:36

Yeah, that's math. Yeah, it's uh it's I didn't even know how to describe math because I'm thinking of the meme dummy. I can't even like give a like reference.

Greg 13:44

It's just like the meme of like anyone just thinking of something, it's all the equations like bouncing around in their heads.

Michelle 13:49

Yeah, and his that's what his actually look like. You know what mine looked like? Boobs in Homer Simpson.

Bobby 13:55

Yeah, you know? This is something that like I I and maybe this is a really stupid thing to say. And like if you're a physicist and you're listening to this, like first off, sorry.

Greg 14:04

Sorry.

Bobby 14:05

I'm I'm sorry about your also I'm sorry about your fall from grace. Like get it together, stop drinking, call your mom, like get it together. Why are you here? Yeah, but also like tell me if if I'm completely off base with this, but like to to take a step back and think about it really abstractly. How did math become the language of space? Right, you know, like it is the the language of how we work to understand space, but like it's a fucking space, dude. Like to like impose this grid theory idea of mathematics on these things is interesting to me. It is it is a a good language to talk about it, to discuss it, but it is the authority, and I'm not sure why.

Michelle 14:43

Well, math is the authority of everything. Math is actually everything.

Greg 14:47

According to the Well, I think it's just a matter of like there's only like a way to describe not even describe, but like it would just to make sense of everything. I guess I'm like when we can use it to make sense of everything here, we can only use that now to like ascribe it to the like higher planes as well.

Bobby 15:03

And so it's not so much that I take issue with math being the language of space. I was just curious as to like why it's the only language of space, you know. And I'm not proposing like I have the right answer or a good answer. Um, but in a and I know I find physics is so fascinating, so interesting to me because it is it is this place where this like wild abstract thought like comes together with mathematics. And like that's crazy. Yeah. Um, and I do appreciate that there are people, and maybe that's where I'm going, is to just that like I almost feel like it's more the territory of wild abstract thought than than math mathematics, right? You know, but good on math for trying to make sense of it, even though it rarely works.

Michelle 15:46

Yeah, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bobby 15:48

Yeah. And so the black holes form in different ways, but m many of them, most of the black holes are called stellar black holes, and a lot of those are created when stars die. And and what's going on with a star is there's this energy inside, nuclear fusion, and gravity outside, and they're kind of like the fusion is pushing outward, the gravity is pushing inward, and they and they maintain this balance for this time. But as the fusion it is finite and it starts to wane, the gravity keeps pushing in, pushing, pushing. The energy is getting smaller. So the gravity's pushing in until the the fusion runs out, but the gravity continues to push in, and so consequently condensing the volume of the star, but it doesn't lose density, so it's just like getting it to be a smaller, smaller, denser thing.

Greg 16:35

Uh and what's like taking uh coal and pressing it to be a diamond sort of thing. Exactly. Exactly.

Michelle 16:41

Good one. So as this star my fucking stupid brain can understand that. Fuck yeah, dude. Diamonds. Yeah, I got it.

Bobby 16:52

So now take it back to the rubber sheet. You know, you have this thing that is getting denser, and what's going on with black holes is this density is infinitely growing. And so imagine something that's density is growing and growing, and as it's dipping into this sheet, the dip that it creates becomes so steep that nothing can come back out, and that's a black hole.

Michelle 17:18

Okay. The end. No, I'm just I'm thinking, okay, you guys, yeah, check it out. I have a mouse problem, right? So I created something called the murder bucket, right? And these poor little guys, I trick them to go in the bucket, and it's so steep, like your black hole, that they can't get out.

Bobby 17:35

Yeah.

Michelle 17:36

And so now get in the bucket. Your little diamond star is a little dead mouse in a black hole.

Bobby 17:41

That's right.

Michelle 17:42

Okay. Yep. Black hole bucket.

Bobby 17:43

And this is, I mean, like this is a part of science that I really enjoy. And that was a part of the thing that I enjoyed about researching this, is like, how do I understand this? Like how do I make sense of this to myself? And then I'm not sure. Well, I think of like gravity too.

Greg 17:55

I think like all mass has gravity. Or I could be dumb, but I'm pretty sure all mass has gravity.

Bobby 18:01

I think because it's because as it's moving through space-time and like pushing on the sheet, if it if there is mass, there's gonna be a pull. Yes.

Greg 18:08

And this is my own thoughts on it. I'm sure it could be discredited or whatever, but like I always think about like when I'm walking down the street, and people always tend to bump into me. And I'm curious if that's like a super pull. My own like super low-level gravity type of thing. Like if us walking through a crowded street, obviously, if it's crowded street, people are gonna bump into you. But like I don't know what it is about me being out in public. It doesn't happen to anyone else. Sounds like you're looking to fight.

Michelle 18:35

It sounds like the problem is you as if you're bumping into people.

Greg 18:38

No, well, it's like I I go out of my way to try to not bump into people, but like I'll be I'll be like stationary sometimes and people will bump into me.

Michelle 18:48

I think something that's come across uh, you guys know me a little bit, you know, the people listening are starting to get to know me. I am an idiot. I'm big dumb dummy. For a long time, for like a long time, like a stretch of years, people would often ask me for directions. People would come up to me every single day. Somebody would ask me for directions. What in the actual fuck about me makes me look like I know where I'm going at all, or that I could help you get to where you're going.

Bobby 19:15

It's that you may look baby nice and approachable. People would ask me as well.

Michelle 19:20

Yeah, I do now, because I look like a mom. I mean, I'm not a mom, but like I'm a brunette now. That makes me feel sometimes. I wear a grown-up coat, you know, so people don't know that I'm not a grown-up. But this time period, I was not as approachable looking as I am now.

Bobby 19:35

Yeah, but I mean maybe they were picking up on some energy.

Michelle 19:38

Yeah. Well, I think that's what Greg is saying. Like, I've got a directional gravity, you know, that people are like, oh, she's the she's the lady, you know? And they're like, oh, Pumpus is this fucking guy, you know, because Craig's gravity has like hit me.

Bobby 19:51

Yeah, and I mean, all of these objects in space have different gravities and different things apply to them and they reached the case.

Greg 19:57

All I'm trying to say is I'm dense, I'm not fat.

Michelle 20:00

Right, right. You've got some mass. You're creating some gravity. I've got some volume. Yeah. I do like that. My thing is like how to get people to get away from me. They're like, hey, where do I go? I'm like, that way, that way, so far that way. Get away from me, go that way.

Greg 20:14

I always tell people to look at the phone because they usually have it in their hand. You have the thing to figure this out. Fair, fair, fair. But yeah, are we are we back? Yeah. That was a little sidetrack.

Bobby 20:27

So the collapsing star accounts for a lot of the the majority of black holes are stellar black holes. The collapsing star accounts for those things, but there are supermassive black holes.

Michelle 20:36

Oh.

Bobby 20:37

And there's also intermediate black holes, but whatever. Supermassive black holes. We're not quite sure how they're formed. Um, potentially early universe gas clouds collapsing. Also problems. Also, yeah, that's right. Smaller black holes merging over time, which is very interesting. That like there's this pole and space is doing its thing, but black holes can move together each other and start to pull and spin around each other. And there's actually a pretty awesome recording of these radio waves that came across space over, I forget how much time, but it's a lot. They hit and they have a sound, they have a recording of two black holes merging. And it's like there's like nothing, nothing, and then it's like and like that's these black holes merging together.

Michelle 21:23

Oh my god, can we play that on the thing as are are the rights open?

Bobby 21:28

Yeah, it's a great idea.

Michelle 21:29

Yeah. The conspiracy journal is gonna buy the rights to that sound. Yeah. Okay, cool.

Bobby 21:35

So at the center of our Milky Way is Sagittarius A star, a supermassive black hole.

Michelle 21:42

Yeah.

Bobby 21:43

So we're gonna talk about that a little bit just to it's easy to kind of focus on one black hole as opposed to all the black holes. Okay, of which there are many. Both stellar, intermediate, and supermassive.

unknown 21:53

Okay.

Bobby 21:54

Um it's in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius, which is where it gets its name. It was first detected as a Radio signal by a man named Carl Jansky in the 1930s. He's one of the fathers of radio astronomy. So he's just like got stuff pointed at space, just like listening. Cool. You know, and so catching these waves and like a high concentration of waves in this area. And I'm never ceased to be amazed of how how much people in like quote unquote olden times, you know, be it the 1930s or like Galileo could like figure out about space again to my dumb self. Yeah. I'm just like, I don't know. Yeah. You know, but like the amount of knowledge they were able to gain without modern technology is is pretty staggering. So big ups to Karl Jansky and his uh headphones. Yeah.

Greg 22:35

Do you mind if I take a short little thing? Because I'm I'm just thinking about like the the sound of like merging black holes and like the idea of what but like we can ascribe that sound to literally anything. So I wonder if we took like the human language and like put words to specific frequencies. So when we heard it, it was it was like the universe talking to us. So like we wouldn't necessarily just need like the weird radio sounds that we would get, we would just get words and it would just be like essentially be talking to us. Oh if there's like a that would be real high up.

Michelle 23:06

Yeah, not um so high, right?

Bobby 23:09

Um there'd be like different codes for different languages, but you could apply them to the radio waves and like these things, yeah. Yeah. Man, I'd really love this stuff, you know. All these all these things, contact Jody Foster, like on board. Yeah, uh, yeah. Really enjoy all this stuff. Yeah, it's so fascinating to learn about. So there's this this high concentration of radio waves the Carl picks up in the 30s. In 1974, a couple of astronomers, Bruce Balak and and Robert Brown, they're like, okay, like this is a powerful radio source, you know. So they're like narrowing in a little bit more on like what it is. And they this is coming from this specific point. It's extremely dense, it's powerful and invisible also. Like we can't we can't see what is there. And so it was speculated for a long time. It wasn't like a surprise, like, holy shit, it's a black hole. Right. It's like it's probably a black hole, right? Which is how like there's not a lot of like active mind-blowing, like a lot of this stuff happens with theory. Somebody throws a theory out many years before, and they're like, maybe it's this, and then it's later proven. And and so that's what happened with Sagittarius A. And in like 2002, I believe, a couple of astronomers, Reinhard Genzel and Andrea Guez, started to look at it more closely, and they started to track stars near the center of the galaxy around this area. And they were tracking a star called S2, and it's whipping around the center of the galaxy every sixteen years at about two and a half times the speed of light. And so here's the kicker is that according to Einstein's theory of special relativity, that like so much of our knowledge is based on, nothing with mass can reach or exceed the speed of light.

Michelle 24:41

Right.

Bobby 24:42

And because it will explode. But they're seeing the nothing can reach the speed of light, but they're seeing this thing travel at two times the speed of light. So as something approaches light speed, it's its relativistic mass increases, time slows down, legs contract, uh, and the energy required to accelerate this thing approaches infinity. And so to reach the speed of light, you need infinite energy, and to exceed the speed of light, you broke physics.

Michelle 25:08

Right.

Bobby 25:09

So that's like what that's everything about black holes, is like physics is broken. That's kind of the base thing. So they're seeing this thing happen that destroys all the laws of of what we know and how we understand space. So and they're like, that's weird.

Greg 25:25

Why don't why don't we just build a warp drive and we need to create a static warp shell around our ship, and then we can travel faster in the speed of light.

Bobby 25:34

Yeah, that's where the back end of the show. That's Star Trek.

Michelle 25:37

Yeah, but also like you're just gonna explode, bro.

Bobby 25:41

And so this is you're just gonna blow yourself up. Black holes is just like physics are just breaking over and over and everywhere. And so to keep a star moving that fast, you'd need like four million suns packed into a region smaller than our solar system, and there's no stable cluster of stars that could do that. And so the only explanation left is a supermassive black hole. And that's how a lot of this study goes is like you're just eliminating all possibilities until there's only one possibility left. And the what happens next is you win the Nobel Prize. Congratulations.

Michelle 26:11

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Shake my hand. Thank you. I did it, I did it. You're welcome, everybody. Guess what? I can't explain it. So therefore, it is a super massive black hole. You're welcome.

Bobby 26:22

So they, you know, have uh figured this out. And in May 2022, a project called the Event Horizon Telescope was able to photograph Sagittarius A star.

Michelle 26:34

Uh uh.

Bobby 26:35

Yeah. It's all of these different telescopes from around the world. And I really loved this analogy. There's a great documentary about it, and I really loved this analogy that, like, essentially what's happening with these telescopes is like if you break a mirror, each one of these telescopes is essentially a shard of that mirror. And then once you get all the data, then you put it back together. And so that's kind of what's going on as we form this picture. And so there's observatories in the United States, Mexico, Chile, Spain, France, Greenland, uh, the South Pole, and Antarctica. So all of these telescopes are taking images of this at the same time. And what the you obviously you can't see a black hole, but around it, there's like superheated plasma swirling. A lot of energy. A lot of energy in that. So that's what we're seeing. Um, and I'm gonna do the the thing where we're just making really, really great radio, is where I use pictures. You're gonna show me a picture. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna show you pictures. This is Sagittarius, also known as the eye of Sauron. Yeah, yep. And so it's beautiful. When you look at at black holes, this is kind of the the structure, is there's like the ergosphere, which is the the outside. So when you're inside the ergosphere, you're affected by like the gravitational pull of this black hole, but you're kind of still you're still safe. Right. Let's say it's still outside of it. You're still outside, and then part of the structure of it is the accretion disk is a big part of the black hole. So that's the thing that's going around. And this is such a fascinating image. Uh, again, sorry to the listener. Check this out. You can look up these images. This comes from NASA.

Greg 28:14

I think Interstellar, the movie, was the first film to get black holes right. So when you're thinking about the image that we're looking at right now, it's that black hole image from Interstellar. If if you've seen that movie, it's quite incredible.

Bobby 28:27

So what you're seeing is essentially a disk. If you picture, like we all know what Saturn looks like, you know. So a black hole, we we often like because it's called a hole, we think of it as flat, but black holes are spherical. Um, and and active black holes that are are spinning. Again, we're getting into theory here. There is like theory that the possibility exists for a non-spinning black hole, but to under our understanding, are all the ones that we've observed are spinning black holes. And so you picture a sphere that's lightly squished just a little bit. And so it does have a pole. And so on the axis on the middle, if you picture the rings of Saturn, there's just like a flat disc around that. So black holes have an accretion disk like that. And so as it's collecting mass and energy that comes towards it, that's a way for it to keep that mass and energy stable, is as it spins and forms into this disc. But the like black holes are so mind-blowing that even though it's a disc around the center, this is how if you're looking at it at a certain angle, it will appear this way, where like the disc is bent and you're seeing the sides and the top and the bottom of it all at the same time.

Michelle 29:33

So high right now.

Bobby 29:34

And that's like everything about black holes is like everything, everywhere, all at once.

Michelle 29:38

Oh my god.

Bobby 29:39

God, it's so interesting. And so back to like the image of Sagittarius A star, you can kind of see the accretion disk is here, and then you can see on the end, there's like jets that come out of the poles that are just like blasting energy. So it's just like in and it's so insane that you can see this in the actual image of the black hole that they took. And so, so yeah, you're seeing all of the mass and energy and accretion disk around the black hole, which is awesome.

Greg 30:08

Dude, yeah, it's also weird to think about it. I could be wrong in this assumption, but all of that, like we call it plasma, and I'm sure part of it is, but if you think about how stars look in the sky, and imagine that thing eating like a million stars all at once, so it's just all individual things, but they're so they're sped up so fast that they're leaving light streaks.

Michelle 30:31

Right.

Greg 30:31

So they it is an individual thing, but it has this giant streak behind it just because it is moving that fast, and like the way that light travels to us, it like it appears as a streak, but the closer you would get to it, is it is just this like that solid object still moving around and like rotating this thing.

Michelle 30:49

Dude, my brain can't even handle this.

Greg 30:52

I could be 100%. I'm just talking out of my ass.

Bobby 30:54

No, you're absolutely right. We'll get into a little bit more of that, like kind of once we get once we get inside the black hole. So we're not we're not inside yet, we're still looking at it from earth at this point. Yeah. Uh it's all the of course, it's everything. It's dry, it's everything, it's hot, it's cold. Absolutely.

Michelle 31:11

And it's burning, it's burning cold.

Bobby 31:12

Yeah. Everything everywhere, all at once, all the time. And so the as they're imaging, this is this was just another fascinating part for me to learn about. That's like, how do we, how are we taking this picture? Where does this photograph come from? And so all these telescopes are measuring radio waves that are coming from this. They're measuring the amplitude, like the strength of the waves, the the phase, the exact position of the wave cycle, and its arrival time using atomic clocks. So all of these data points are coming to these different telescopes, and then they're putting all this data into a supercomputer and combining all this information, and that's how they're able to uh come up with these images. Okay. So yeah, there you go.

Greg 31:50

It's good to know that we're feeding all this information to AI as well.

Bobby 31:55

Again, we're using theorems and physics to fill in the the blanks and the constraints to make sense of all this. Because it's real far away. I don't know if we talked about that story 26,000 light years ago. Yeah, it's it's really far, far away.

Michelle 32:10

Yeah, yeah. It's really, it's really far ago.

Bobby 32:13

Yeah, 26,000 light years ago and away at the same time. And the image matched Einstein's predictions almost perfectly that he's like, this is this is what's gonna be going on, this is what it's gonna look like.

Michelle 32:26

Guy was so smart, his hair was so cool.

Greg 32:28

Now, is there any like bias there? Like they're trying to match the information that they're receiving to match Einstein's thing. So, like, is there a bias to try to prove his stuff right? So, like they're not like manipulating anything, like the information is still the information, but they're now just going to use it to like, oh well, if we construct it to look like what he was expecting, not not necessarily it's kind of cool in this in this documentary.

Bobby 32:52

It's the Dolman telescope project, is you know, kind of what they're they're focusing on. And they have an element in there where they took all these data sets from all these different telescopes, and they had very purposefully they sequestered themselves and did not communicate with each other, and they had each of these teams from each of these different telescopes image the data and then they compared those images, and they're not they're not identical, they're taken from different positions, but they're like almost the same. Okay. So they they did they did take a lot of care to be like, are we manipulating this data? And very specifically, like, yeah, did not talk to each other. They were like, don't even talk to each other about what you think it's gonna be, or what because you because the human desire to push the data towards what you want it to be to make sense of that thing, they're always very aware of that and and were very careful to stay away from that. Yeah, for sure. They did a great job. Turns out great job, everybody.

Michelle 33:47

Yeah, did a good job.

Bobby 33:49

Um, into the listener, so so so sorry. Um, what we're looking at and talking about is essentially like a glowing ring of fire, yeah, with a black, the deep, deep black void in the center, is what a black hole looks like. Um is there a way for them to Google? Yeah, absolutely. You can Google like black hole. NASA has great images on their website. Um, a website that I love called space.com. Yeah. Um also has a lot of good stuff on it. And then also, if you're looking at the specific image that we're looking at, a Sagittarius A star is the name of this black hole. And so it's very easy to find these images. And you can see the different images that the different teams came up with. Yeah. Um, using their their imaging and their data points. Sagittarius A Star occasionally flares, and in 2015, there was like a flare 400 times brighter than normal. And again, this happened 26,000 years ago. So and also it they're just like, wow, cool. Like, who knows? We don't know. We don't know what happened. Um in 2019, it brightened 75 times above its usual levels. And and so it's kind of fun, and I really appreciate physicists for their like willingness to be wrong, yeah. You know, in this stuff. And in 2014, there's a gas cloud called G2, and it's like kind of pass over the black hole, and they're like, This is gonna be crazy. Yeah, like we've never seen anything like this, yeah, and nothing happened. Uh but it's just like we think we know how a black hole works, what how we understand it, you know. And I think a a lot of the normal, like common idea of black holes is just like that they're this insane vacuum. Yeah, anything gets near is just like sucked in. And it's like once you're in there, you're not getting out. But it's not like so it's not in such a violent way as that, as that description. So there is there is an element that's like, yeah, once you're in, you're fucked, but it's not so active as as as we might think in how we understand our world. And Sagittarius A star has been in fact described as sleepy.

Michelle 35:50

That's cute.

Bobby 35:51

Yeah, just a sleepy little black hole.

Michelle 35:53

Yeah, yeah. It's not gonna suck you in, but if you go jump in there, you're not getting out.

Greg 35:58

Yeah. It'd be a shame if we had any like physicists uh on Earth trying to create them in labs. Like at big places in Europe, like CERN.

Michelle 36:09

I hope they don't do that. Or adultery. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That'd be bad.

Bobby 36:15

Um, and so let's let's let's go inside.

Michelle 36:18

Okay, yeah, fuck yeah.

Bobby 36:19

I thought we I thought we were in. Let's get in here. No, I mean we've been circling around the edge.

Michelle 36:23

All right, so uh yuck, yuck, il grouse, pew question. Yeah. How do we know what it's like in there if nothing could ever come out?

Bobby 36:33

Theoretical physics.

Michelle 36:34

Okay, give me the math, baby.

Bobby 36:36

Yep, yep. So you're drifting towards Sagittarius A star, and you start to see, as Greg talked about, light from faraway stars like starts to bend and stretch into arcs, you know. So the the way that we that we see and interpret the world starts to twist and bend and and manipulate. Time slows down. And so, like a year for you is decades outside of this zone. At this point, we've come, we're in the ergosphere. We're we're drifting closer and closer towards the center of the black hole. And yet, as I did this research, I was more and more impressed with Interstellar, with the movie Interstellar. Like, I you know, I know it's like kind of a joke that's like, oh, dudes just love Interstellar. Yeah, but like I was I was like, damn, they did a good job. Yeah, you know?

Michelle 37:20

Yeah, I'm thinking about it the whole time.

Bobby 37:22

Go fuck yourself. Watch that shit in IMAX, it's incredible.

Michelle 37:24

Dude, it's the only way to watch that, I think. Dude, did you go last year? Absolutely. Oh man, absolutely. We probably went to the same. So there's a uh Lincoln Center in New York City, has the only true IMAX.

Bobby 37:35

In New York City, yeah, in New York City, other than it, but it is the biggest IMAX screen in the country, I believe, tied with somewhere else, but who cares about them?

Michelle 37:42

Yeah, exactly. And so last year was the anniversary, 20, 25 years or whatever it's been. And uh I have never in my life seen so many nerds. I mean, I bought tickets. I had so much fun. It was incredible. I highly recommend it. If Interstellar comes back to IMAX again, everybody go see it. It's really good.

Bobby 38:03

Yeah, it just like I think I'll probably next time I watch it, I'll probably enjoy it so much more because now I like actually understanding.

Michelle 38:11

Yeah, I'm gonna go watch it tonight.

Bobby 38:12

And like him when he's in that like weird place and he's like looking out and like specifics of like him not aging in this way, you know, and the way that that time passes. And and now I just understand a little bit more spatially, like where he's physically positioned and why why they're aging so differently.

Michelle 38:28

Yeah, totally, totally. And even just like small things, like why why was why is everything so streaky? Of course. Yeah, yeah, everything is everything so streaky, and like now I get it. That's reality.

unknown 38:40

Fuck yeah.

Bobby 38:40

Yep, absolutely. And so you're having this experience, but if somebody was like watching you float towards the black hole, it's like also first like dickhead, you just go. Yeah, um, but they you will appear to freeze at the edge of the black hole, and the the light that you emit as a human being becomes redder and dimmer simultaneously.

Michelle 39:02

Weird.

Bobby 39:03

Yeah. And so as you're drifting, all of these things are like kind of happening simultaneously and like in different places at the same time. And so you're drifting, you will cross the event horizon.

Michelle 39:16

And what is the event horizon? Thank you, Michelle.

Bobby 39:19

I'm I'm so glad you asked. That's the event horizon is the point of no return because you were like definitely in control up to this point.

Michelle 39:25

Right, right. Totally.

Bobby 39:31

It's not a like a specific wall or anything recognizable. It's it's immeasurable into like where it is as you're drifting into this black hole. But once you're past it, you'll know. You'll know once you're past it, you can't go back.

Greg 39:43

Well, think of it, think of it like this if there was enough gravity pulling you into a thing, you would have to have more energy to get out.

Michelle 39:51

Right.

Greg 39:51

So there at a certain point, you will have not enough enough energy to come back to you.

Michelle 39:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently, I need to rewatch that movie too, huh, guys? What's that?

Bobby 39:59

Lori's First Friends, Event Horizon. That seminal 1996 film. Yeah, I don't know if it's 96.

Greg 40:05

That all told told us like how worms wormholes work and you have to bend a piece of paper.

Bobby 40:10

Maybe that'll be uh one of our special conspiracy journal movie pods we can check out Event Horizon.

Michelle 40:16

Yeah. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

Bobby 40:18

You want to see hell kids? Once you pass the Event Horizon, this is the the area where like no light escapes, where the black hole gets black. You know, so you're a a being of light, everyone. We're all beings of light.

Michelle 40:32

Absolutely.

Bobby 40:33

But as you go into the black hole, your light dims and goes out and never comes out again.

Michelle 40:38

Fuck, dude.

Bobby 40:39

Um, and also in a supermassive black hole like Sagittarius A star, the event horizon is so large that you're not gonna feel like a line. You're not gonna be like, oh shit, I'm fast at the event horizon. Right, right. It's slowly happening. Maybe you feel good. I don't know. I hope everything is getting pulled inward, and then what happens at some point is instant spaghettification.

Michelle 41:01

Shut the fuck up. That's not a word.

Bobby 41:03

That's what it calls.

Michelle 41:03

No.

Bobby 41:04

They love every everything that you read or listen to about black holes, they love spaghettification. Everybody talks about spaghettification.

Greg 41:11

Like if you went like toes first, you would start to see essentially your body be ripped apart and like spaghettified.

Bobby 41:19

But you you your whole being will become like one long infinite stream of plasma instantaneously. Forever and always endlessly.

Michelle 41:31

You know how I talk about the line where I'm like, I believe everything, I believe everything, I believe everything.

Bobby 41:37

We sounded so smart until we were like, and then spaghettification. That's kind of it's so weird to listen and research all this stuff, and and all of it is like theoretical basics, Einstein, formulas, spaghettification.

Michelle 41:53

Shut the fuck up. Oh no. Okay.

Bobby 41:57

And uh I uh uh sometimes I crack myself up in my notes. I wrote, you done.

Michelle 42:01

You're done. You spaghetti.

Bobby 42:04

That's the point I think where you like cease to be. That's when you scream, Mamma mia. Yeah.

Michelle 42:10

Is that like Guns N' Roses the spaghetti incident was actually about?

Bobby 42:14

Of course. They love theoretical physics.

Greg 42:16

Yes, and no, yeah, true.

Bobby 42:18

Famed physicist Axel Rose. That's where I learned the black hole enthusiast. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He understands it as well as anybody else.

Michelle 42:28

Truly.

Bobby 42:29

You know. Um, and it's like, but what of the spaghetti no one knows? That's a good t you know.

Greg 42:34

That's a t-shirt. That's a good quote.

Bobby 42:36

Fuck yeah.

Greg 42:36

What of the spaghetti nobody knows?

Bobby 42:39

And so you're just like, we're talking about this kind of in ways that like seem like we can understand, but you also have to remember that the like This is like coal into diamond type of thing. It's just like we're just using words to make it as we're like getting into the sheet, the drop becomes like infinitely precipitous, you know? But it's like, does that mean the like circles? But like, no, that's not what it means, but it like becomes everything all the time all at once. Exactly. Exactly. So, like with our like degrees of understanding, it's like you can only get so steep, and that's down, but it's like gets steeper than that. And so we're in there, and this is where the singularity comes in. And I just want to like read some some words so that people have like a correct understanding of what of what this means. And in a black hole, the singularity is the point at the very center where gravity compresses matter to an extreme limit. All the black hole's mass collapses into an infinitely small point with infinite density and zero volume, where space-time curvature becomes infinite and the known laws of physics break down. Most physicists believe infinite just signals that our current theories are incomplete, and a theory of quantum gravity is what's needed to truly describe what happens there. So again, it's like such a crazy thing that we cannot fathom or conceptualize, which is why I wanted to like give it to you in a concise way.

Greg 43:59

It's almost like a Like a pin prick through the universe. Like if you if you use like a like a fabric sheet or even the rubber sheet idea, and you had a pin and you were pushing on it, and like that pin then created a hole, but it's also like a like a gravity well. There's what's on the other side of the hole. What's on the other side of the hole?

Bobby 44:16

Exactly, exactly. That's the singularity.

Greg 44:18

That's the yeah, that's what we don't know.

Bobby 44:22

The singularity is hidden. Everything is hidden beyond the event horizon, so we cannot observe this.

Greg 44:28

It's probably another universe with another with a black hole in the same exact spot that's feeding into the other side.

unknown 44:34

Yeah.

Michelle 44:34

It's the bookshelf from an interstellar zone. That's right. That's right.

Bobby 44:38

And so like you can't handle this. For a long time, they weren't sure like if black holes died. I mean in kind of what happened or this time span, this lifespan. There was also believed to be an informational paradox. The uh it seems like something that physicists seem to really hold close to their hearts is that information cannot be destroyed. But it's like we're dealing with stuff where we don't understand the laws of anything. So I would push back on a little bit of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 45:04

You don't know for sure.

Bobby 45:06

You don't know that. But Stephen Hawking did come up with a a theory of something called Hawking radiation. And so they're able to like essentially observe for a long time it thought that nothing came out of a black hole, but they were able to observe that this tiny quantum events are are happening at the event horizon and small amounts of energy are escaping from the black holes of this Hawking radiation. And so it's like kind of natural, I think, to theorize that maybe this like if you hold on to this information can't be destroyed, that maybe it is then spaghettified, turned around unrecognizably, and is emitting in this hawking radiation. And then also consequently, as these tiny quantum events are happening in the in this hawking radiation is coming out, there's like an evaporation element. So that black holes will eventually eventually evaporate, which also like is equally fascinating. You know that there's this there's this entity that this happens in the inside of it as a singularity, and then that disappears.

Michelle 46:02

It just disappears, but it's the answer.

Greg 46:05

It's interesting though, too, because like all of this is gauged on our own earth perception of time. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So like a black hole could probably just be a bullet in the universe. It's just like it is something that just like happens in a snap. Right. And it's just like this it is that boop boop. And like that's as long as it takes. Yeah. But our perception of it has it at like, oh, well, this is just an infinite thing. Yeah.

Michelle 46:30

But it could just be like massive black hole.

Greg 46:33

And it's done.

Michelle 46:34

Wow.

Bobby 46:34

Yep. Exactly.

Michelle 46:36

Yeah, because the time is so far.

Bobby 46:38

And like all of this is so wild, and just like, you know, who doesn't give a shit about any of it? The cold indifferent Sagittarius A star super massive black hole in the center of our solar system, 20,000 light years away, 26,000 light years away, holding everything together.

Michelle 46:53

She's just chilling.

Bobby 46:54

Just doesn't none of this matters. Right. Nothing matters.

Michelle 46:57

No.

Greg 46:58

Right. Who what? What? Who doesn't matter? Who says it doesn't matter?

Bobby 47:02

Black hole. Sagittarius A star. Yeah. Doesn't care about any of this.

Michelle 47:05

That's right. Oh, yeah. It just is. I feel like a lot of this is like God, you know?

Greg 47:12

Well, that was always the case.

Michelle 47:13

God is in the God is in the black hole, dude. I feel like Sagittarius A star is God, bro.

Greg 47:19

Well, I think, yeah, as science progressed like through time, the term for God like kind of shifted, and it was just like the God of the edges, and it was just I don't know, therefore, God. And that was always like the explanation that a lot of like religious people ascribe to it. But it's just like, yeah, but as our understanding of the universe grows and grows and grows, God gets smaller. God gets smaller, but also our understanding of the universe gets bigger. And it's it's a weird fallback that they always go to of just like, well, you don't know, so therefore God. And it's just like sure.

Michelle 47:53

Sure. Until science kills God again.

Greg 47:57

But there's always gonna be things we don't understand. And that's like the the fun of being alive. Yeah, absolutely.

Bobby 48:02

And like having so fun. You guys go learn about black holes. It's so it's it was really enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's uh this one that like I like research this for this podcast, absolutely. But like there's so many like side quests when researching black holes, like what is light and what is space time. Yeah, we're finding that out a lot with everything. So fun, yeah, yeah. And it's like yeah, like this is one that I will go back to in my free time to be like, let me learn more about this.

Michelle 48:27

Yeah, yeah.

Greg 48:28

There is a book, it has nothing to do with a conspiracy journal, though. But um, it's Brian Green's The Elegant Universe. I would recommend checking that out. Like, that's more quantum entanglement and quantum theory, but like it kind of it essentially relates back to black holes and like how we experience time and how things are everything's connected and things. That's cool.

Bobby 48:47

All that like I didn't even I didn't even mention string theory. You know, like that's like you could obviously spend a whole career and lifetime thinking and and talking about string theory, but that's one of kind of the explanations of black holes in in a really rudimentary way to the layperson if you're unfamiliar with string theory. It it's just a theory that um not just but a big part of it is that you know we think that our world is constrained by these handful of dimensions that we have, but in fact, there are maybe many more dimensions outside of like length, width, height, depth. You know, the that there are all these other dimensions that are at work that are invisible to us.

Greg 49:26

And I mean there's at play. Obviously, there are because we have so many instruments that like can like talk about right radiation. Like we have instruments that can detect it, we can't see it. Right. There's infrared light, we can't see it, we can detect it. There are probably there are some animals that can see infrared and can detect it better than we can. So everything that we live through, we just assume like that's everything. Right. And it's just like, well, that's all our little monkey brains have the capability of understanding and then taking in. Like just because like we dan we can't see it or we don't know it's there doesn't mean it's not.

Michelle 50:02

Right.

Bobby 50:02

And the limitation of, well, if we can only conceptualize, well, we can only conceptualize. Right. You know, and there's probably things that at play out that's some money that there are things at play that we have no knowledge or are unable to conceptualize completely because we have such a finite understanding of how things work.

Michelle 50:20

There's something I was talking to a friend of mine many years ago, and we were talking about uh abstract things like this and like higher power, God, blah, blah, blah, how it all works, how it's all connected, and whatever. And it just the idea of like ha our brain not being able to understand a lot of this stuff. And it dawned on her while she was trying to give her cat medicine one day. And if anyone who's had an animal before, sometimes you gotta like hold their mouth open. It's a struggle. They don't want you to put something disgusting in their mouth. So they're trying to avoid this, and it can be kind of a traumatic situation. And you know, as the human that you are trying to save this little animal's life by giving it some the medication that it needs, you know, but it the animal does not understand that. They're trying to get out of here. They're like, why are you doing this to me? You know? And so my friend was like, Oh, whatever life is doing to me, like could be saving my life, but my cat brain can't understand it, you know. So when you guys are talking, I'm like, oh fucking, this is some cat brain shit. I can't understand this. Yeah.

Greg 51:22

Well, that goes back to the idea of like spirit guides and like the spirit world like interacting with us and like guiding us along.

Michelle 51:29

Yeah, for sure.

Greg 51:30

Like people have that feeling that, like, oh, this is beyond me. Something, something incredible and miraculous happened. And trying to explain that to someone that it didn't happen to, right? You're not going to. Yeah. You're gonna sound like a crazy person. But for people that have this sense that there is more happening in this, like on this plane that we just can't see or physically interact with. Right. As again, going back to science, exploring those ideas, like the more time goes by, the more we're starting to realize that there probably is stuff around us that like is interacting with us and doing things with us and guiding us along.

Michelle 52:10

The funny part about this is we're talking about these people who study this, that you know, the the scientists, the physicists, uh, Einstein, these great minds, you know, as the people who are discovering this. But at the same time, if you're talking about it, you're a lunatic. You know what I mean? You know, geniuses have always been thought as lunatics until they were right.

Bobby 52:31

In that vein, I did want to touch on a couple, a couple things. Oh, yeah, fit me. Including black holes as wormholes, yeah. You know, and this is this is a lot of like how I landed on this topic in the first place. Like I said, up top, like again, the constraints of the mind, you know, when you think about aliens, we think about them on Earth. And it was like where they come from, where they go, how they get here. Yeah, and a lot of people's like argument against aliens is like exactly Connor Joe, thank you very much. A lot of people's idea or like the dismissal of aliens is like there's no way they could like travel this far or how'd they get here. Um, and just like the the amount of what we don't know as it pertains to a black hole, I just think is a really interesting uh element when it comes to potential space travel and uh Einstein's math uh within the the theory of relativity in there does allow for something called an Einstein-Rosen bridge, which is essentially uh a wormhole, you know, and these like uh holes are connected, and and just the fact that like the singularity and the infiniteness and we don't know what's going on at all inside a black hole, it seems it seems kind of a natural thought that it goes somewhere, right? You know, which is like a very vague term, but it's like uh it seems like my brain is so like not just dirty, but like merch specific.

Greg 53:40

Like I just see like a like a picture of like the Einstein Rosenbridge, like that diagram of it, and it just says these holes are connected. I don't know why.

Michelle 53:48

I'd wear that shirt, yeah.

Bobby 53:50

Yeah, we're we're checking out a little diagram of the Einstein-Rosenbridge, the the connectivity. So we're like our space-time is bending, and we're essentially taking a shortcut through these. So the idea that like it's it's so impossible for aliens to travel this far. This is where this kind of theory comes in, is a shortcut essentially. We're taking a little shortcut through a little wormhole.

Michelle 54:10

I feel like what I'm learning here is that Interstellar is a true story.

Bobby 54:13

A documentary, you mean the documentary interstellar? Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right.

Greg 54:18

Chris Nolan, like he he dives into like awesome stuff, and he just it's all real.

Bobby 54:23

Yeah, bad. And and it's like the black holes might be gateways to other universes.

Michelle 54:29

Right.

Bobby 54:29

You know, and the matter falling into a black hole. We again we don't know what's going on inside there, so it might create a baby universe. You know, black holes could be universe generators. We might live inside of a black hole. The whole created inside another universe.

unknown 54:46

Fuck.

Bobby 54:47

You know, our whole solar system and small black hole might exist inside of another larger black hole. And the potentially the what like we know or don't know about black holes. Let's say our universe exists inside of a black hole, we're living there. Just stay with me. Okay, I'm there, I'm in the there might be other beings out there discussing what they don't know about the black hole that we live inside of. You know? Yeah, like and and and I just I love I love black holes as a is a way. I mean, it's just such a great way to talk about this stuff, you know, and these these potential theories. Um, there's a lot of talk about potential alien civilizations utilizing the the nature of a black hole as like a power plant. You know, there's there's infinite energy.

Michelle 55:31

Sure, sure, sure.

Bobby 55:33

Would we not in this zone? And so, you know, if you can like stay in that, you know, outside of that zone where you're getting uh pulled in essentially or or floating across, you know, could could this energy be harnessed? Um something, you know, if you're capable of space travel, it's a way to essentially like maybe hide, wait out wars, catastrophes. You go inside the event horizon and time is passing like crazy outside. Fascinating. And you're just like parked for a second while everything chills out for a while. You know, it's a very very probable or possible way the black holes could be used by alien civilizations.

Greg 56:11

And parents pointing at their children, go stand in the black hole.

Bobby 56:14

Go with a black hole. That's right. And there's the Kardashev scale is like different types of civilizations and like levels of civilizations. A type one is able to access the energy available on its planet and store it for consumption.

Michelle 56:27

So that would kind of be us, us doing electricity, water, like all good, yeah, whatever we're up to.

Bobby 56:34

Type two civilization can consume a star's energy, um you know, so getting that that energy from space and the things around you, and then a type three civilization is able to capture like all the energy emitted by its galaxy and the objects within it, stars, black holes, all that stuff. And so, you know, uh in our small little world on Earth, we're concerned with like energy production and consumption. And like that's just on such a small scale. And you think about all of the limitless energy of stars and black holes and how what a civilization would be able to do if they were able to to harness and access that energy. It's it's just pretty wild to think about. And uh to your earlier point about like we're in the Milky Way, but we can see the Milky World. Oh, yeah.

Michelle 57:15

Tell me, tell me.

Bobby 57:16

You know, I was researching earlier and this kind of blew my mind. And and and like has to do with the Fermi paradox that's like if there's aliens, I think us at this table, we kind of have the idea that's like the universe is so big there has to be like something out there, and probably quite a few of them. And he's like, Well, then where are they?

Michelle 57:35

Sounds like a dickhead.

Bobby 57:36

I just felt like this was very interesting. That's like if they were doing interstellar travel, and if civilizations were able to use black holes in this way, and the black holes at the center of gravity, most most galaxies have a black hole at the center. That's another part of this, it's not unique to our galaxy.

Michelle 57:51

Good to know.

Bobby 57:51

That it would stand a reason that most civilizations would be located close to that, 20 something thousand light years away from where we are. And perhaps we're in like the sticks, we're in the boonies. Yeah, we're on the edges, so that's where everybody is or isn't is like we're not getting visited as much to prove this stuff because we're deep. We're so far out on the edge. Right.

Greg 58:14

Yeah, we are the rim of the Milky Way.

Bobby 58:16

Because all of this action is taking place near the center of the galaxy, which is like downtown. Yeah, it's downtown galaxy. Yeah, that makes sense. It absolutely makes sense.

Greg 58:24

But it's also if even if you think about how far away the closest, the next closest solar system is. And it's just like that is an astronomical amount of again.

Michelle 58:34

We're talking light years. I can't understand.

Greg 58:35

And it's just like we we look up to the sky and we think it's so full. Like it's like, oh, there's so many stars, but it's like there's so much negative space in between all of that. Like we don't really grasp that because we like, oh, it's just littered with stars, right? And like you'll see like a star map that of like, you know, no pollution, no light leaking, right? Like all that stuff, and it's just completely full. And you're like, yeah, each one of those probably has a whole system of planets around it, multiple systems of planets, like yada yada, but like it's so far away. Like every single dot of light in that in our sky is so far that it's like it's impossible for us to think about how far away that is.

Bobby 59:13

And and long ago. I was just gonna say how long ago.

Michelle 59:16

Yeah, it's so far away, and it's so long ago.

Bobby 59:19

That's something that like I'm getting longer. Yeah, like I'm just starting to understand as like we think about like all of these, like all of this potential for alien civilizations, kind of like right now. But think about the potential for alien civilizations in the spectrum of all the time that has ever existed. So all of the space and all of the time combined and the infiniteness of that. Maybe there's a civilization that was like identical to ours, but it like existed fucking 43 quadrillion years ago.

Michelle 59:49

Right. Okay.

Greg 59:50

And it was also like the other side of like the universe.

Michelle 59:53

Yeah.

Greg 59:53

Yeah.

Bobby 59:53

Exactly. Like the possibilities of this stuff are just so limitless. It's it's really hard to say like your head around.

Greg 59:59

When I say like that, the stars are getting longer and the time is getting longer, it's like the universe is expanding. So we're getting further away from those stars that we're watching burn out like every single day. We're getting further and further. So it's taking longer for that light to actually reach us. And I think at a certain point, it's going to be millions and millions of years in the future, but like eventually there's going to be no stars in the sky. Like it would have all burned out. Like, and if we wouldn't be alive, like all the things will be dead by that point. But like it'll probably get to a point where it just looks incredibly dark from the planet if the planet doesn't get destroyed by asteroids.

Bobby 1:00:36

Sucked into a supermassive black hole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. So that's black holes. That's everything you'll ever need to know about them and told in a perfect format. Yeah, you're welcome. Yep.

Greg 1:00:45

How are you feeling?

Michelle 1:00:47

I feel nauseous. Is that normal?

Bobby 1:00:49

I think you might have passed over the event horizon. This is early spaghettification. Spaghettification. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle 1:00:59

Um, so whenever we do one of these podcasts, I look at what books the conspiracy journal has about this, you know, because we do have 500 active titles. And so I could not find anything.

Bobby 1:01:14

Oh, we'll have to get some we'll have to get some people on it.

Michelle 1:01:17

But I found one that's very interesting, which I have not read. So I would like to promote it and have people read it and call us and tell us what they think. It is called Solved: The Mysteries of Space, Time, and UFOs.

Bobby 1:01:34

Nice. A couple times I referenced documentary. It's on Netflix. It's called Black Holes, The Edge of All We Know. It's a very good check it out. Um, it goes into um a lot of the Hawking radiation stuff, a lot of the theory about black holes, but also simultaneously telling the story of the Event Horizon telescope and their imaging of Sagittarius A Star. So that's fun. If you want a little more content on that stuff, check it out. It's very well done. It's a great, great documentary.

Michelle 1:01:58

Right on, right on. Back to Solved the Mystery of Space Time and UFOs. Do me a favor, buy it, read it, and then call us at the Strange Exchange and tell us what you learned. 929-445-3705. That's right. I just told you to buy our book and explain it to us because I'm a dumb idiot and I can't wrap my head around any of this stuff. So please tell me what you think.