I Love Mondays with Mike Heller
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I Love Mondays with Mike Heller
I Love Mondays-Ep81, June 23, 2026
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SuperFan Tuesday reacts to the Giannis trade. It should be a celebration...not a wake. Also...what's next in the draft and will Tyler Herro play in Milwaukee? Brandon Woodruff's return to the Brewers rotation was more than impressive
Mondays.
SPEAKER_00Bunker in the United States. This is on the Mondays with Mike Heller, empowered by determination and a little bit of duct tape. Here's your host, Mike Heller. Hey, uh, welcome in. It's a Tuesday. I love Mondays, and on this Tuesday, this is why I love Mondays, because this is kind of a Monday in a talk format concept. So the Bucks make the trade. Let's begin there. Oh, let me begin with the way I always do it, and that's Mike wishing a good morning to all. And James also, who says, what a great day to talk sports. It is. This is these are the kind of days that this is bittersweet. These are the kind of days I love to talk sports. I don't love to talk about Giannis leaving. For whatever reason, and I think I understand it, I'm less impacted by the Giannis move because I I felt all along that this was going to happen. So that's part of it. Also, good morning to Zach. And by the way, Zach, your uh your outing that you kind of began at Black Hawk Country Club with the Balance and Believe and Badger Challenge was great yesterday. Uh, and Derek, Derek's pretty good at it. The the entire Giannis situation to me has been preordained for a while. I I wasn't one of those who was so emotionally attached to it that I thought the worst thing that could happen is the Bucs to get out of the Giannis business. I did a deal with Jim Osarski of the journal Sentinel, and we'll try to get him on uh yet again later this week. By the way, Ted Davis is going to join me tomorrow uh on part of the show. Uh longtime voice of the Milwaukee Bucks, who uh went back home to Texas and is calling all sorts of deals. But he and I were there the night that Giannis was drafted. We were doing radio together at the time. So in the uh in the Cousins Center, um to be there the night that Giannis was drafted, and we all look at each other and and don't know how to pronounce the name. Uh there was the alphabet, and Ted said, I'm just gonna mostly go with a Greek freak. But we were there when uh when the Bucs introduce him, when uh John Hammond uh steps to the microphone and says, uh, this is who we have taken, and and tells us about their guy. Giannis has been one of the more extraordinary talents that you will ever see. And we saw a kid who didn't speak the language very well, who hadn't spent any time in America, who didn't drive a car, and we saw that kid turn into a man and the best player in the NBA. He's a two-time MVP, he probably could have won it more. Now, the flavor of the day is Wembin Yama, and Giannis is not 7'5. Wemby is Giannis-esque, but five inches taller. But Giannis is, to me, the greatest Milwaukee buck of all time, and I put him in the category of what we saw modern era, uh leap Bart Star out of the conversation for this. Modern era of the greatest athletes that have come through this state that we have adopted as our own professionally. Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Giannis. I'm not gonna include Kareem on this, wasn't here long enough, even though he won a title. It was never, he never felt like Milwaukee. And I don't think Milwaukee ever felt him in that way. Great player. But when I think of all these things, I put Yount in that category. And I'll put Hank Aaron, even though Hank front ends and back ends his career. I do think that Giannis will suit up in a Bucks uniform again. Maybe that's just the sentimental romantic side of me in the world of sports that says he's gonna come back and and at the end of his career when there's not much left, like Hank Aaron, come back and and play part of a season. Maybe, maybe not. But the other part of that is that Giannis now being a member of the Miami Heat, he will come in to Milwaukee. And that's a day that I think we should embrace and look forward to when Giannis returns in another uniform. And I hope that that that sellout crowd that night of Fiverser stands and cheers for a very long time. Like one of those where you're going, okay, people are gonna start to sit down, and then it just gets louder. That's and I think that's the the love that the Bucs fans have with Giannis. There are so many layers to all of this. Giannis has played this very well. He did force this issue. I think the Bucs did everything they could do in after they win the title in 21. I think the Bucs tried to run it back, and they got beaten the second round by Boston in a seven-game series. You didn't, for most of the time afterwards, after the title, you never had a healthy Milwaukee Bucks roster playing in the postseason. Damian Lillard, I thought was a good move. It didn't work. I I think that the Bucs did all of the things they could do, and in the in the time when they happened, I thought they were good things, and it didn't work. I love Drew Holliday. He is part two of the reason the Bucks won a title in 21. But his game was also probably not at the championship level two years later when he was moved. I don't blame John Horst or the Milwaukee Bucks for what has happened, and I don't blame Giannis. Usually there's a villain. People are gonna try to um villainize Jimmy Haslum. And I get it, he's an easy target in that way, given his past. But I don't think there's a villain here. I think the Bucks did everything they could. I think they did all the right things. I think Giannis did all the right things, especially on the front side of it, where the public side of it, he did not put out I'm I'm done in Milwaukee. That never made it from him to the media, to the fan base. But I think he was done in Milwaukee. So we we've got ground to cover. It's a super fan Tuesday, and and I'm excited about days like this because there's passionate conversation that can be had uh throughout the process. 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We welcome you back in and I bring in uh it's a super fan Tuesday. You were um you you were all in on this deal last night. You you sent me and then you've sent me potential draft choices for tonight at 10 and 13 for the Bucks. Uh this this hit you as well because you're you're a passionate super fan, and the Bucks are part of that lexicon for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I wish I had a different, you know, controversial take to make this a bit more interesting around what Giannis has meant to us and looking for the villain. There there is no villain in this. I mean, he he quietly, my wife was so pissed off. She's from Milwaukee when this news, we were sitting out on the porch late, streaming something, should have been in bed, we weren't. And this news came across, which was kind of nice that caught it right away. And she's like, What the you know, explicatives are flying? I'm like, there's neighbors right there, okay? Easy. She goes, This is bullshit. Did we push him out? What's going on here? I'm like, he's quietly made this known for the last 14-15 months. And and and I I don't know if this is verbatim, but you know, Giannis's point was I'm not gonna spend 20 years in this league and only take one trophy home in Milwaukee. So I don't feel like I can win another one here, and equally important, I don't think so. I can't deliver one for the city, not fair for either side. 13 years in this day and age with it's not a generation, he's a multi-generational talent, is such a gift. So it's painful, it should hurt. I am thrilled. I think Horst, I think that the front office played Boston off against Miami really well. I'm I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00Got extra pieces I think in that. So controversy comes from this view Eric in the Prairie. He disagrees. Horst fired Coach Bud when they shouldn't have. They didn't resign PJ Tucker when they needed that attitude and style of player that hired a new coach with expectations to win. So on two fronts, let me touch both. Um, Coach Bud, many times the message becomes stale. I didn't agree on the firing of Coach Budenholzer. Neither did I. Okay, so that part I agree with. Yeah. PJ Tucker, I do not agree with. He was going to cost you somewhere in the vicinity of $48 million when you included tax. They were going to be above a threshold. I don't remember all the details of the timing. Yeah. But he was going to be a very expensive, very expensive role player. And then look at what PJ Tucker did. Yeah. He didn't do anything after he leaves Milwaukee. He was an enforcer. He was the dog attitude that helped you get home. But I think you rented that. Yeah. You didn't want to buy that. Yeah. That was not a home you wanted to move into. You just were staying there for that year. So I'm going to disagree with Eric in the prairie on PJ. I will agree on Bud. I think they mismanaged coaching after the title. Yeah. So you so you win the title, and then in 21. In 22, you lost in the second round in a seven-game series with Boston. In 23, you lose in the first round against Miami. Is it Bud gone after that year? He had two more years in Milwaukee. Yeah, he had all of two more years in Milwaukee. 24-25, you lost in the first round again to the Pacers, and in 26, you did not uh make the playoffs. So first round outs in all series. They won one series since the title, and that was in 2022 when they won the first round series. I believe it was against the Bulls, but got beat in game seven against Boston. First round to Miami, first round to Indiana, first round to Indiana, failed to make the postseason this last year. So when when I think of those things, um back to Eric in the Prairie, the old the the part I agree with is Bud, but we don't know what else was back there. Many times when those decisions happen, especially in the in the NBA, there is player conversation. And some of the stuff that we may never know is how much did Giannis have to say about that? Yeah. LeBron has been very public in some of those things, or at least shown to be as a coach killer from time to time. And maybe Giannis was too, but they kept it from being front and center. Yeah. So I don't know, Eric, if the Bucks' decision on Bud was dictated by players more than front office decision. Yeah. So that's stuff. That's the kind of stuff we won't know. Here are the moves on the back end. The Bucs get Tyler Hero. I don't think he plays for the Bucs. Um, I think that could go 50-50. I think it's more along the lines of 70% chance that he doesn't ever play for the Bucks. That's where I would go 70-30. I think they're going to move him. Khalel Ware is he's a kid. He's 22. He's seven foot tall, 11 points, 9 rebounds per game a year ago. He was in and out of there full rotation, but I think he's a big part of the future and controllable, uh, controllable. Jami Jokez Jr., 15 and a half points, five rebounds, four and a half assists. I think he's part of the deal. Kasparis Yakashonis. Close enough. Close enough. Um, uh you like him.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, yeah. I mean, I we you know, in this part of the world, we watched a fair amount of Big Ten basketball, and you certainly remember him from Illinois. There's a development that needs to take place, but be nice to have a true point guard. So I'm excited about him. I'm excited about where from a development standpoint going forward.
SPEAKER_00Picks 10 and 13 tonight. So the Miami will select on that. Is it the 13? Yeah, they're the third. We get 13 from that. Miami selects the 13, and it can't officially be a Bucks pick until uh July 6th. But they're gonna select the Bucs are making that selection. Yeah, but the commissioner will go up and they'll put the the Miami heat hat on the dude. It's the one thing. There are many things about the NBA, but fix that freaking joke of a deal. That's just dumb. Anyway, the Bucs get 10 and 13, they'll get first round picks unprotected in 2031 and 2033. The the importance there is that Giannis in 31 and 33, he'll be 36 and 38 years old. Yeah. Because they're two years apart. That's important because you're getting Miami selection. Right. So if he's past his prime, uh, and I've said this and I'll repeat it, I think Miami has a two to three year window to win with Giannis because I think there will be there have already been injury-driven, diminishing returns on him. He is, I did a the the odd couple last night with um the Fox Sports Radio as a guest talking about this, and got full agreement there that Giannis is a freak whose success is built on his athletic, freakish nature. Yep. He's got to be to the rim, he's got to play downhill, he's gotta out athletic you. He is not a shot maker. Right. Well, all of the things I just described don't get better when you turn 34, 35, 36. LeBron augmented his game. Yeah, he he can be a shot maker. Yeah. Giannis, that's not gonna be part of his game. He he has he's got to play at full speed. Uh, the mid-range game maybe can add, and it's added a little bit. All of that to me is part of why this seems to be such a smart decision, and the Bucks roster is going to change dramatically, yeah, not just on this deal, but on what they decide to do from this deal. Yeah, Bobby Portis and Giannis are the only elements that are gone. Right now, you have 15 players on that roster plus two first-round selections. Well, you can't. Right. So there is more movement to come off of all of this, which I think will be super interesting, but you do need a separate degree granted by the NBA Board of Trust to understand the moving parts and the aprons and everything else that are going to be in play over the next few weeks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, it's uh we were talking before the show. I'm excited. I'm not always excited for the NBA draft. This draft is is viewed as being particularly deep, which is good for us. Hoping we keep 10 and 13. Don't want to trade up, don't want two mediocre players, but they're there's talk if they fall. Uh Braden Burries, Arizona, Kingston, Fleming, Houston. So two guards, one point guard, one shooting guard. Both one and done's. Flemings was all American honors, Burries led uh Arizona scoring, not a bad program down there in Tucson. So there's an opportunity, and we saw it, we saw with Dylan Harper this year, you know, like guys can come into the league and make an impact year one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Do you what do you think of James question? Uh is there a chance to do even more? Could you package 10 and 13 and move up into a top four selection?
SPEAKER_01So the James is onto something. I mean, that that the chatter, as much as the national media will talk, I love this. We get a hall of players, bunch of draft capital, and all the media was talking about all morning long was it's fine, they're talking about Miami. Miami's the one going after a title. And then they're fucking talking about Boston and what Boston didn't get. I'm like, Gab, can we talk about what Milwaukee doesn't?
SPEAKER_00Not what they get to do, not what they have to do. Milwaukee doesn't move their needle.
SPEAKER_01No. But my personal preference is not to package them up. Um, you apart from a Banza, uh, you know, which is gonna go one overall, those top one through four picks are not overly intriguing to me now. Where where am I where am I right on that if guys like Burry's Fleming and and Lindenborg fall to that 10 and 13? That's where I'm right. Where am I wrong? Somehow all those guys are gone. But I'm but I'm certainly missing something on what's available outside of those three, four guys. So I don't want to package it. We the other question is could do they throw Tyler Hero and a pick in to move up, and I don't know that. That's yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anything you do with Tyler Hero has to be predicated on the acquiring team already putting together a contract extension. Yeah. Because no acquiring team wants him to be on their roster with a 2027 unrestricted free agency looming. Yeah, they want a deal in principle agreed to and done for anybody who's going to acquire. And that's the rub, even on the Bucks. There are multiple scenarios that play out. And again, the cap and the aprons and all that shit that I don't fully understand and admit to it. You could have Tyler Hero on your roster and move him at the at the trade deadline next year for an acquiring team who also feels like we can do a deal with him or we can treat him as a rental. There are so many ways to run this, but the Whitnall star who never played at Wisconsin but did commit. Um he's committed. I don't think he's gonna play for the Bucs. Yeah. Um so NBA trades and moves are way more complicated than any of our other sports. Yep. It's not complicated when you do it in the NFL.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's not complicated when you do it in baseball. Right. But in the NBA, it is a 400-level class. You just uh and I don't I'm not gonna take the time to go there. When it's all said and done from last night, I do think the John Horst and company played this very well. Boston wanted something and they wanted to move Jalen Brown. How do you handle that? I don't give a shit about Boston, yeah, but they got some handling to do. Yeah, he cannot be on their roster, right? I mean, they have they it's a second time-ish that they've uh set fire to the bridge and then put it out. Well, that bridge is not uh very sound anymore, the structure is not gonna work. So uh, you know, they put out two sets of flames, but they're gonna have to move. Uh and uh reiterate, I don't care. Yeah, I think the Bucs are in a much better position today. And I had this conversation with Jim Osarski. So Jim and I visited a few weeks ago. Uh, he ran multiple pieces today. One of them was the media reaction, which it in the interest of full disclosure, we didn't have that conversation last night.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh TV does this all the time. They do obits and stories that are banked, and then they just adjust them when whatever happens, happens. So uh Jimmy O, Jimmy O and I had that conversation uh a short while ago. But Jimmy and I disagreed originally, I thought that the Bucks' best path to Eastern Conference high-level competitive future was making this style of move, was not with Giannis in a Bucks uniform. And I still believe that that's the case. And I think the Bucs obviously made that move. They believed it too. And I just think that there's a part here that will never be admitted to that Giannis told them without any equivocation, yeah, I'm not gonna sign the extension. You've got to trade me. And I think more often than not, players dictate these kinds of moves. And in this case, I believe that. And I don't say it in a negative way towards Giannis. Very few in professional sports begin, middle, and end in one place. Tom Brady didn't end in New England. Brett Farr, Aaron Rodgers didn't end in Green Bay. Joe Montana. Joe Montana did not end in San Francisco. Very rarely does that happen. Right. We view Yant differently, but that's a different era. And Yount and Molleter didn't have the same opportunity. I think Paulie would have loved to have played his entire career in Milwaukee, even if it didn't mean getting a World Series. He wouldn't trade it. Yeah. But he didn't have the choice. Yount, I think, loved it. He loved sort of the anonymity that goes with being in the Milwaukee market. And I talked to that with Rob Parker and the odd couple last night. Milwaukee's an easy, uh, easy media market to play in for both the Brewers and the Bucs. And Green Bay's an easy media market to play in in the NFL. Yeah. It's different with the New York Jets. Yeah. It's different with the New York Knicks or the Boston Celtics. I think it'll be different in Miami to a certain extent. None of what happens happened on the trade bothers me other than I have some sadness. Yeah, that's right. That's it. But I don't I'm not blaming the sadness on John Horst or Wes Eidens or Jimmy Haslam. Yeah. And I'm not blaming Giannis. I think that he was complicit in this. And I've no, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't either.
SPEAKER_01I don't either. I if anybody's got you know hate in their heart as opposed to sadness in their heart, they're they're not viewing this correctly. They're just not objectively looking at what was right for him and what was right for the franchise.
SPEAKER_00And um I think you know, Oklahoma City tore down what they had years ago when they had their their three and they didn't win a title. Yep. They tore it all down and started over. Detroit had nothing to tear down, they were just down. And they had built. Cleveland was torn down a couple of times and rebuilt. Now, Detroit and Cleveland haven't gotten all the way home. Oklahoma City did a year ago. San Antonio has been a model franchise. Yeah. Where do the Bucks fall into some of this? I think we find out three to five years from now. Yeah. I think there will be excitement in Milwaukee this year. I think they will return to being a playoff team. I don't know that they'll contend, but when you begin to rebuild Buzz Grows, there will be renewed excitement in Milwaukee this year. If you were buying tickets the last couple of years, you were buying a ticket to see Giannis. Yeah. And I think what will change now is you're gonna buy tickets to see a Bucks team that is younger and exciting and building. And if that doesn't happen, what they become and the fan base becomes is ambivalent. Yeah. We don't care when the I should let me let me try and phrase this the best possible way. When the Bucks are not good, 80% of the state just doesn't care or pay attention. Now that's not great, but it's the truth. When the Packers are not good, 90% of the state wants to know what the fuck is going on, right? You get angry. How can we be doing this? There's no what has happened. There's no safe dog in any house, all right? Right with the Brewers, I think it's more the happy medium between the two. But with the Bucks, when they're not good, other than Milwaukee proper and passionate fan base in small pockets, yeah, the rest don't care. Like you could say to somebody this last year, you could have said to somebody in February, hey, within a few games, tell me what the Bucks record is. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people had no clue, no idea. I just think that's the nature of the way we follow our sports. And in the interest of full disclosure, because I'm emotionally attached to this crew, you could kind of do the same thing throughout 70% of the state. If you're in Appleton in February, other than when Wisconsin beat Illinois and Michigan, uh they had their significant wins, most of the time in hoops, they got I don't know. Yeah. I I I don't know. And in football, eh? Sort of. Yeah. Sort of. With the Packers, there's no sort of. No. No. No. Absolutely. A lot of soapbox time there, sorry. Yeah, you done? Take a deep breath. You suggested bourbon today.
SPEAKER_01I know, what the hell? I know. I'm excited. I was excited.
SPEAKER_00Well, who needs a glass?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, between yeah, so I think. Well, let's talk. Let me get one thing in really quick. Uh, and we won't talk about it long. There's too many. The heckling at the US Open last weekend that continued, and you kind of had to dig into it. It wasn't on full display that was at Ryder Cup.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I loved Rory when he looked at that big boy. Guy screams, get in the bunker, get in the bunker. And Rory looks at him, he goes, because the guy was, you know. Yeah. I and I'm we, you know, we hated on New York a couple weeks ago when we were talking about the Knicks. Generally, I don't well.
SPEAKER_00You can actually bring in a bomb more than that one. So just like it's a good one. Yeah. Princess Cameron.
SPEAKER_01She's Smoothies and Bourbon. She's my favorite. Um. Yeah, again, we don't need to take time on this one. And I heard there was some kick these fuckers out. I'm done with it. We don't need perfect Augusta decorum.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We don't. We it doesn't have to be Wimbledon, but enough. And you know, get these losers out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's that's it's gonna be a little heavy, but okay, we'll give that a shot. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Well, Gary, you're the best. It's a little jacked, little bumps. Yeah, we're gonna, yeah, it's um uh so this is by the way.
SPEAKER_01It's gonna ruin my bike ride today, but that's okay. This is the Darty.
SPEAKER_00Um all right. So this, by the way, we normally I would do this on a Friday, but yeah, I'll do it today. So um this this is High West Distillery, which is Park City, Utah. Um, High West is uh their signature. Uh this their distillery is just east of uh of Park City. Uh this is a blend, and this uh it's not proofed up, it's only 92. See, we're telling me it's taste proofed up uh because uh this is this got a little into it. Um hey, yeah. Here here's the woody. Here is the woody, and and prior to here's the woody, how about just a toast to Giannis Adacumbo, who has just been uh he has been brilliant. He gave us so much joy as a member of the Milwaukee Bucks. And and one other note before I take my sip on the toast, I will root for Miami and Giannis, other than when they're playing the Bucks. Okay, so I will root for Giannis. I I I caught a lot of shit for it when I rooted for Favre. Once the Packers were no longer a playoff contender and Favre could win a Super Bowl with Minnesota, I wanted it. Yeah, and I caught a lot of shit for that, and I'll wear it. I mean, if you if you're gonna be that way, I I'm okay. Fan how you want to fan. That's how I wanted to fan. I hate the Vikings. I loved that guy. Now he's had some other shit that has gone on that that changes some of the opinion, yeah, but that wasn't all out there. The Sturger stuff was out there, the rest of it. Uh I think he's a flawed human being, and aren't we all? Uh I I love that guy. Giannis, I also think is flawed. We've not seen the flaws. The the the warts of him that because I think he forced this trade, yeah, um, have not made it public, and that's okay. I love the dude. We have been treated to a great Milwaukee career and an NBA championship to Giannis. To Giannis. That's delicious. You get where I'm going there. It is a it's less heaty than I remember. No, it's really nice. It's nice. And Kari brought it. Let me just show it up close. So Kari brought it because there are buc antlers on that jackalope deer, whatever it is. And is it called is that mythical beast called the Bu-Ray? A boo yeah? It must be. I've only heard that. It's a blend. Anyway, uh, thanks, Kari, for bringing that in. I probably yeah, she's you should have put it by me. I'm not putting it by you. You put it by me because you overpour for 10:35 in the morning. It's noon. You gotta ride. It's noon something. I don't know. I'm having a mow the lawn at the time. I might have a walk. Speaking of which, my kid Jackson, by the way, we won our match yesterday, our four-ball match. Nice round one of the uh match play four-ball season-long deal. That guy's jacked.
SPEAKER_01Can he hit the ball far?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's a good golfer. He was uh four under through 11.
SPEAKER_01On his on his own ball.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We were playing a set of T's that's a little up. We played the three T's in the event. Um, uh, which he can beat that, he can beat that up on uh a par five. He had it was anyway. Yeah, we won, so we'll cheer that. But he's got to get that grass cut today. I mean, that's his that's his.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when you were in Europe, it was knee high. Yeah, and I heard about that during the show. I had to give him a little, you better cut that grass, or you might uh have to start paying rent.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so uh I know he's cutting the grass today because he said he didn't work yesterday, which we had the event and then uh today. So I know it'll happen.
SPEAKER_01Um hey, to add to answer a question for me. Um and I had my Monday night group bike ride, which involved beer drinking too. So I meant I missed most, I just caught highlights of the bird. Why were how does Woody get people to swing at that high fastball? Or was it just the Reds having a night? I like it felt like three or four of the 10ks. Uh yeah, guys chased it way out of the zone high, and you don't see that in the game anymore.
SPEAKER_00I thought that both lineups had a bad hitting night anyway. Yeah, three uh I don't think that that was quintessential, would he? Yeah, he topped out at 94-5, which is 95 miles an hour. He topped out because we always round up. Um I thought Singer and Woodruff were had hittable moments in the night uh that the offenses didn't take advantage of. And I think Woodruff is his sequencing is so good. Um, and he puts hitters into two strike counts and then goes above the zone, really hard to lay off because you do become a little protect mode. Yeah, even if your swing doesn't go to protect mode, your mindset goes to protect mode. And uh I thought the he took full advantage of that. He and I don't know what his um what his ratio was that, but it's he threw a ton of fastballs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but that's what it looked like in highlights. I mean, a lot of the Ks were on, which is not 10. Encouraging, right? Coming off because we know he can move it. Where does the what does the rotation look like in a yeah with a healthy Woody?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, let me go there in a minute after I run through. If you didn't see, he retired the first 16 hitters last night with nine strikeouts, and he did the first 16 hitters in just 68 pitches. Tyler Stevenson had a clean single. Woody topped at 95, got his 10th K with two outs in the sixth, 21st career, 10 strikeout game, second most in franchise history. Uh, he goes six innings pitch full, one hit, 10 strikeouts, and pitch count was very manageable. And now since 1900, there are only two pitchers who have had three starts of one or no hits, yeah, no walks, and 10 strikeouts in a game. And Woodruff is one, all three in Milwaukee. Corbin Burns is the other. That's all two in Milwaukee, one in Baltimore. And then you can't I I think it's a mistake not to recognize what you did after Woody left. So you go to Ashby, Yuribe, and McGill, they go nine up, nine down four strikeouts. That's when you talk about what a rotation looks like, let's talk about September, October. Yeah. A, let's get Woody to the finish line, yeah. Healthy and into October, not the last week of the regular season, yeah, into October. And if you do, then I think you're gonna go just as I would go now, you go Ms. Harrison, Woodruff. Those would be your three if you go three starters. Yeah. Now you're gonna, it looks like, although I haven't seen it officially, it looks like you're gonna skip Harrison for one trip through the rotation. Yeah, he's not slated. The Brewers haven't put it out in game notes, they only listed the Reds series. Um, he wouldn't be slated to pitch until Saturday against the Cubs. And I find it a little odd that he wouldn't pitch against the Cubs. Yeah, agreed. But the Brewers are in this run of games where they're gonna protect their pitching as well. Yeah. So this run of games, I think it was 27 total games into the All-Star break in 27 days. It was three with Cleveland, they went two and one. It was three with Atlanta, they went one and two. It's now three with the Reds, you win your opener. Thursday's an off day. That's the only time I'm gonna say that until the All-Star break. Then they get three with the Cubs, four more with the Reds at Arizona for three, at St. Louis for five, at Pittsburgh for three, and you're doing all of this in the same number of games over the same number of days. 21 games, 21 days until the all-star break. One day as a doubleheader in St. Louis. So I think you're you're trying to protect Harrison. Yeah. And I would imagine that they would find a way to protect Miz. Yeah. And they're going to be very uh white-gloved with how they deal with Woody. Yeah. So that rotation is going to look different from time to time. Yeah. But they've given themselves, I think, enough equity to work from. They're 47 and 29. They lead the division by five. Cardinals ended up getting a win last night. Uh, Cubs got rained out. Pittsburgh didn't play, and the Brewers, of course, beat the Reds. They lead the Reds by 10 and a half. Yeah. So I thought Woody was ridiculous. Yeah. Um, and that's the kind of pitcher he has to be. He cannot go 97, 98. Yeah. That's not going to come back in his repertoire. Yep. And the the goal is to have him be healthy and be that kind of a pitcher.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So with that, and Kate, we're not far on Koenig, right? That's a piece.
SPEAKER_00It's so exciting to follow this team knowing by the way, they make a decision on Koenig quickly because you get a 30-day rehab, and that 30 days is up this week.
SPEAKER_01So I haven't heard setbacks. I haven't heard shit. So there's that too. I mean, that's a really important piece. And the more, the more you can bolster middle relief all the way through closer, the more you can give some of this youth, and it is such a youthful. You take the two 30-plus year olds out of that, and your average age is what, 24 and a half, 25. And I want rest for those guys. It's it is a marathon, not a sprint, and then some pitching is an anaerobic activity, by the way. It is full stress on type two fast twitch muscle fiber. Like these kids, and that's not a thing of 24, 25-year-olds, you know, you can't mess with that. So I so I'll I'll let you go in a second here. What are you, the fucking host? Do you uh you get let's get Ken it back? Do you do you forget about this scooble nonsense, which we it's it's all probably a pipe dream. I I'm I'm not against it, I don't know, but I'm for it. Do you make a move for for more middle relief? Is that yeah?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I think I said this a week ago. If you're gonna make this a deal, yeah, and I think you are, it is not gonna be a headline deal. It it's going, it should be to add relief core depth. Yeah, and because we I just talked about how much you love Asby, Yuribe, and McGill. Uh, hopefully you're gonna get Koenig back. Part of that is what Koenig do you get back?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, is he the guy that pitched last year? Um because he can be brilliant. And and you know, the cliche, not a marathon, it's a sprint. The or the other way, not a sprint, it's a marathon. Yeah. But it's it's a marathon that finishes with a sprint. Yeah, it does. You know, great runners that are pushed. At the end, have something left to go through October. Call it a kick. Call it a kick. One of my favorite runners of all time, this ages me, is a Kenyan named Kip Kano. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Kip Kano was uh as a kid, he he's a Kenyan and he had uh he had it's not his name, his name was Kip. He had a kick. Yeah. If he was there in the final lap of a mile, final half lap of a mile, if he if you were 10, 12, 15 paces in front of him, he had you. Yeah, he was gonna beat you. The the thing about baseball, you don't you can't plan for a kick, but you can with your arms. Yeah. Hitters are different. They're different, they're either gonna hit or they're not, and hopefully you've got enough of a track record that you find a way that you're gonna hit in October. But the last time the Dodgers didn't win the World Series, Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts didn't hit. Didn't hit and they got swept by the same team that swept the Brewers, Arizona. But pitching can be measured. Yeah, you can swimmers and runners taper. Yeah, you can't taper, but you have to protect. Yeah. So you you can't just shut them down or but you can slow them down. It is a it is a uh in the baseball world, it is a taper that track and swimmers understand. So you gotta taper pitchers, yeah. You gotta they've got to be as fresh as they can be in October. That goes for your bullpen and your starters, yeah. Because the Brewers have high-level usage of Ashby and McGill and your rebay. Yeah. And the want to and the adrenaline is there for those guys in October, but physiology trumps adrenaline if you're playing multiple series in the month of October. That's right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I, if anything, I mean, I really want Ashby. He's built for two to three innings, he's built to pitch three times in seven days, but man, I want I want some rest for that guy. I really do. He throws fucking hard.
SPEAKER_00I mean, he does, and I I mean, I still think of that stupid Las Vegas pop fly home run that's hit in Atlanta. Yeah, how how did they bring in Las Vegas the additions to Atlanta?
SPEAKER_01And it was uh my my buddy was at both Friday, Wally, who kind of broke the news on maybe Harrison, uh, was at the Friday and Sunday night. By the way, he won't watch, he's too busy with work. Just retire, Wally. He uh him and his son are they're great. They uh he grew up in Platville. They're mushes, like we bust their balls every time they show up at the game. They mush. They we lose when they go to games. A mush is like a bad gambler. Oh, and so we're like, you're but you're bringing bad luck. But he uh he was there Friday, tough loss. He got the win Sunday, so shout out to Wally. But yeah, it's hot, it's too hot. That's short, that's a short part of the ballpark, though, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00I don't know what the line is. I think it's there.
SPEAKER_01Good pitch. Vinny, my my new best friend pointed out that's a good pitch, hard pitch to take out. Um, that guy's got a 35-inch bat that's 33 ounces, though. And he stands on top of the plate.
SPEAKER_00Vinny. Pals. Big pals. Yeah, yeah. Uh Ozzy kind of ruined that that night. Hell of a hitter. Yeah, he's a good hitter. And the Brewers easily could have swept the series. It's not how it works because other teams can say that about times in Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_01But but I think you'll I know you'll agree with this. We not that we needed to prove that we belong, because we didn't, because look at the run differential, look at the record, yeah, look at the team. Uh, and we know when they're fully healthy, they're even more dangerous. We obviously on the road proved that, you know, almost stole one, should have won one, took care of business.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. So uh and this the this this weekend at American Family Field should be lit up. Now, the the Cubs have one good player gone right now. It's the only one I really strongly don't like.
SPEAKER_011082, 1022 uh OPS.
SPEAKER_00PCA is is having a go, and they still suck. Yeah, I mean, they're still not a very good baseball team. I get it. The record, they're three games over 500. But considering where they were, yeah, and the roster that they have, yeah, it it's not very good. Two fact check me, two 10-game winning streaks, yes.
SPEAKER_01Correct. Yes, two 10-game winning streaks, which we pulled off three last year. Super hard to do in Major League Baseball, and their record is still mediocre. That tells you all you need to know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if you if you've collectively won 22 straight games, because I think one of them's 12. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Whatever. Two 10-game winning stream numbers. So let's just call it 20. So they there were 20 games over 500 over a 20-game stretch. It's crazy, and they're three games over 500 in the series in the season.
SPEAKER_01Yo van, yo, right, you're listening.
SPEAKER_00Yovan, you're listening. Go pack. Oh, Yovan. Yeah, where are you? Yo, yeah, where are you, yo? Uh, but it should be like if you love baseball. Oh, there he is. Hey, you chimed in. Go pack go. We saw that. Why do you think I said earlier? Cubs will not win another game in the season. Oh, now oh, I see what now he's doing that. Now he's doing that. Now he's now he's just being dumb.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, come on, stay hey, stay strong to your team. Yeah, it is gonna be electric. It'll be interesting to see what the how many of those I-90, I-94 pricks make it north. Um well, and it's a weekend. It's a cheap ticket for them versus the North Series.
SPEAKER_00It's a weekend series. I mean, this is in a better stadium. If you're a baseball fan, this weekend is so much fun in Milwaukee. Yeah, I don't know how it's gonna go. Hopefully, it goes like Friday night. Can you imagine if you're in New York, the secondary market for Friday night's game? Yeah, if it's Yankees, Matt's kind of a deal. Yeah, um, Yankees Boston. Yeah, the the secondary market for Friday ought to it ought to be upsold. It's with Miz on the mound against the Cubs at American Family Field. Yeah, it's awesome.
SPEAKER_03Whew.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's awesome. And and Miz keeps getting he gets another week in between starts. He's just a Friday night pitcher now for the last three starts. I love it. He's a Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday.
SPEAKER_01Not nothing in between. That's how college ball works, by the way. You're a Friday, a Saturday, or Sunday pitcher. I love it. It's pretty much none of those.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, I was on the bench for all of those, I guess is my point.
SPEAKER_01You were a fielder, you weren't a pitcher.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was, but I was I was still on the bench for those.
SPEAKER_01Hey, what um nice to have Joey. By the way, Joey, come on, we gotta give Joey a we gotta give him a head.
SPEAKER_00He was my player of the game last night on Brew Daily. We have to give him so much love for that sack flip. You gotta put the ball in play, and it's gotta, it can't be one of these lazy ass pop flies. 104 off the bat, he was just short of the warning track. In Atlanta, that's a home run.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, in in Las Vegas and Atlanta, that's out of the stadium. Um in right field. Yeah, so it's so nice to have, you know, I hate to call him a utility guy, that's what he is right now.
SPEAKER_00He is now. But the defensive play he makes to end the game, that's why he was my he was the play of the game on two plays, the sack fly and the ground ball to end it. Awesome. Because he's playing no doubles defense. And just to reiterate for those who don't understand, don't get that, it means his right foot was within a foot of the third baseline. Nothing gets between him and the line as a fair ball. Yeah, because a double into the corner ties the game. Yeah, so nothing can be doubled inside of him. Your outfielders are deeper and toward the gap to take away that. And Joey made a really good play. And lest we forget, he hadn't played third base in two years. Yes, yeah, other than making the move on the Cooper Pratt trade. Yeah. So Glove travels, a glove. Glove can play most anywhere, but I think it's why the throws have been a little funky for him. Yeah, even that throw was a little funky because it's way different. It's a whole yeah, different angle, different, different distance.
SPEAKER_01It's all all different.
SPEAKER_00What what what's so so this? Uh oh, I'm not gonna give this dude. So the dude that just sent the message, you know I'm not bringing you into the mix. It's not we're not, we're not gonna give him no, not even for the reason, not even for what he mentioned there, yeah, but just for who he is. Yeah, no, that's not gonna, that's not a thing. He he's not making a show. I'm not gonna block you, but because I want to read your stuff, I'm that interested. Uh, but I'm not bringing it to the show. We'll just do the Rory move. We'll just do the Rory move. We'll go like this. Um, so I I I think of what and here's one of the great things. The only time in the calendar, the only time in the calendar year that unless somebody's arrested, the NFL falls off the front page. We had the US Open this weekend, yeah, which was great. And I didn't root against I didn't, I rooted for Scotty, yeah, but I didn't root against Wyndham Clark. I gotta comment on that when you're done. He doesn't bother me the way he bothers some people. I get it. What he did in the locker room last year at Oakmont. Yeah. Um, he's owned it, yeah, he's worn it, he can't take it back, but he has done, he's been out in front, he apologized, and he that's it. It's all he can do. What he did in Canada doesn't bother me at all. No, it she should we bother it. Should we celebrate that? Some people don't. And I wanted Scotty to win, I wanted the career grand slam. And I said this yesterday. Wyndham Clark opened the door, propped it open, yeah, held it open, yeah, and said essentially was saying to Scotty, if you'd like to come through here, we have opened the door. Yeah, by the way I've been playing, and Scotty didn't have it in his game. Yeah, Scotty has not had that kind of a year, yeah, in his game. But I Wyndham Clark has won two U.S. opens. There's nine guys that have done it. That's incredible. Andy North is one of them.
SPEAKER_01When his head is right, he was and he was so so he was on Danny Patrick, your best friend, on the way over. And it's rare. So Dan just went at him. He's like, How'd that feel? You know, you're getting you're getting in. What did you how did you react? And then Dan started saying, like, get in the like you're getting it's there. People are screaming, get in the bunker, they did it to him too. And Winna was really vulnerable. He he, you know, he said, I I he could have said, I don't care. I drowned out the noise, all the bullshit. Um, coach speak, that's not coach speak, players speak. He didn't he said, I heard, I heard it all. And I used it. He's he goes, I was he wasn't, he goes, I played basketball in hockey, which how many times do you hear that hockey you hear? It's a rare combo. It's a rare combo for when you throw in.
SPEAKER_00Have you ever seen a hockey player? Most hockey players try and shoot a basketball. Yeah, it doesn't work. Not so it's like watching a wrestler trying to shoot a basketball.
SPEAKER_01So he's like, I I heard it, I used it as fuel. You know, so he did all that stuff that you you would expect to hear. That's hard, by the way, to use negative talk as fuel unless you're a real killer. And he said, but I also was trying to, I was trying to win them over with class, dignity, yeah, humility. He goes, I know I messed up. And by the way, kicking the shit out of a locker, I don't fuck. As much as I say there needs to be decorum and golf, they're human beings. I don't give a flying, you know, what what he did to a locker in Oakmont. That's not, yeah, I don't care that he go went after live play.
SPEAKER_00Other than the lockers were built in 1917. Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01All right, it's gonna be. No, we're good. We're good. But but uh I just love that he said I'm a human being and it and it means something to me. For I want to be liked. I know that be you know what, yeah. Anybody that says they don't want to be liked is someone that just had a bad childhood, yeah, um, and needed to put up a shell to protect themselves from hate. And so I I liked that piece. I hope people I'm not jumping, I'm not, I'm not this isn't a big Wyndham Clark apologist moment, but and he and he said, and I also drove the ball, he goes, I kind of played like crap, and Dan's like you scrambled. He goes, Yeah, because I had to. Like I loved that moment for yeah, for him.
SPEAKER_00Well, where he hit it in the the the fescue on 17. That that shot out of there was shot was brilliant.
SPEAKER_01That shot they said you couldn't. It's one thing, like if anybody who's played whistling straights out there, even if you're an 18 or a 20 or 22, fescue is really playable. You can you can get you know, you can get the club behind the ball. That ball was completely buried. Yeah, he couldn't see it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, in theory, and it ends up being just uh, I mean, for him, maybe the he had a handful of the shots of the tournament. That's one of them. Because if he if he doesn't play that well, um, he just opened the door to lose. Yeah, for sure. Not even to be in a playoff, playoff, but to lose. So uh really good. Uh I said this yesterday. You only have one major left, and then no team event this year. Yeah, no president's cup. That's next. Am I wrong on that? I think it's yeah, I think it's next. You do no team events.
SPEAKER_01The tour champion. I mean, I heard you yesterday. I'm a little I differ with you on the open. I think the open is still it's one of my favorite tournaments. Maybe it's because it's just so ridiculously rough and rugged, usually weather-wise. But the the BMW and the FedEx and the signature events, I think it's I know they're not it's not a slam event, but there is some interesting moments left in golf. But yeah, have we seen the best of I'm gonna have we seen the best of Scotty Scheffler? This is one one of my buddies, Gil Martin. Maybe Chris Gilly, Gilly goes, I think we've seen the best of Scotty. I disagree.
SPEAKER_00I um, but have we? Well, there are more examples of seeing the best of than there are those who overcome where he is. And to me, a slump, I mean it's is it really come on now. It wasn't a that wasn't a bad no check. I mean, everything's top 10. I don't think it's however at his best, he was. I mean, for a while, you okay. If Scotty shows up and he plays well, we're all playing for second. 100%. Okay, so one of the things that when I worked in television, I had a chance uh to interview Jack Nicholas. That's awesome. Um and I think this was relatively early in Tiger's Ascension because it is, yeah, and one of the things that Jack said is the true test is how players handle marriage and family because you have been singularly focused in your life on your game, yeah, with very few distractions, and the only distractions you had, you created. Yeah, then when you get married and have children, you don't create all the distractions, you don't control it, and they're not called distractions, then they're called family and love, but your ability to handle family and your single-mindedness in the game is the differentiator. And he said that Barbara allowed him to do it, yeah, and he still, when he went home, he did go home, but he he still did the work, yeah, and that part of his life still remained singularly focused, but when he left, Barbara didn't beat him up for it. It was what he did. It doesn't always work that way, yeah. And Tiger had his own set of issues, yeah. But Scotty's got one, right? I think one and one on the way. Okay. Uh we saw what happened to Jordan Spieth.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Justin Thomas, they're all still good. Now I mean, yep. But what Jack did, what Tiger did until it did him in, yeah, the they were different. And I don't know that Scotty is or isn't. He's I think he's pretty clear.
SPEAKER_01He's so I'll give the bear and bull. The the the bull case for Scotty is having watched an embarrassing amount of golf, the putts just aren't dropping, and that's that usually mean reverts. Um, when the putts weren't dropping before he became dominant, something needed to structurally change. He made that change, he started making putts. They're not going in now just because they're not going in. So the bull case is come on, there you can get unlucky in golf. The bear case is he has been very clear on his feelings for what golf is and what it is not to him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And family is family and life outside of golf, yeah, means by all accounts, way more to him not to take away from guys like Jack, way more to him than it did to past champions, right? This guy is like, if it was all taken away from me tomorrow, I'd be uh no, I think Scotty absolutely loves life outside of golf. Sure. Golf isn't a means to an end because he doesn't seem to be overly financially motivated. It's just the minute that he sees himself not being able to go in there and play to his potential, whether that equals a win or not, I think Scotty walks away. I think he walks, I think he does a Sanders, Barry Sanders, and just walks away way early.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and that to me is one of the uh unknowns of how this plays it forward. You asked the original question have we seen the best of Scotty Scheffler? And I would raise my hand and say yes. Yeah, I can accept that. I I doesn't mean that he won't win more majors, but he's got five CF, but not the slam. Yeah. I think he's got more than five. Majors? I don't think so. Google, we're way we're past our time. Scotty Scotty. Scotty Sheppler major wins. Four.
SPEAKER_01How is that possible? Two masters. Two masters and PGA and one open. Okay. It seems like more.
SPEAKER_00So he's got four. Um I think he'll finish with no more than seven. So I think he's more than halfway home. Yeah. That's that that'd be nobody's gonna remember.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I'll remember.
SPEAKER_00No, you won't. Uh all right. So uh we're we're past time. Uh your your glass is empty, otherwise I'd mean I'll clink it anyway. Uh cheers. Uh, what a great day. I mean, we're we're celebrating what Giannis has meant to the state of Wisconsin, uh, not lamenting his departure. I choose to celebrate rather than um commiserate on this front. Uh bourbon going down, real smooth says, Morgan. Oh, I see. That is this is uh being nice. So no, no, no. No, it's it's the other, I think they're burner accounts. Um so uh Morgan and Christian are uh to be fair, how do I how do I say this in the proper way? They're not my friends. I have stronger words for that, but I won't stoop. I've always said that Kari and I, we both came from divorce. I said, you know, as much as we can, yeah, stay on the high road. I don't want to get around and fling mud. Um so we've stayed, and I'll do the same thing with Christian and Morgan. I'm sure at their core they're really good people. Yeah. That's I I I believe in that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I'm not going to bring to the table the dirt that they want to play in. Yeah. I'm not I'm not gonna bring it so you guys might be good people that I would like if I got to spend time with you, but not with the way you've treated me and this show in what you've done socially on social media. So you don't get any run here. Uh all right. Treadmill, great work by you. Let me uh let me uh say thank you to one of our sponsors, Traditions Lighting. They're back in. I used to do a lot of work with them when I was on the radio. I'm so happy to have Zach and his crew back with Traditions Lighting, whether it's your holiday lighting needs or permanent landscape lighting business or home. The work they do is fantastic. Check out, you can check it out when next time you go to Lambeau and look at the lighting at Tidletown. And when they do that, that's theirs. They do that the holiday, but they also do individual landscape lighting for homes and businesses and holiday lighting. And I get it. It's June 23rd, but you know what that means? That means six months from tomorrow, it's Christmas Eve. It is the time to go ahead and get that stuff scheduled. Have them come out, look at what they can do for you, and then put it on the calendar. One of our sponsors, also, always a big thank you to M3 Insurance, Neuroscience Group. Go to neurosciencegroup.com, m3ins.com, go to onecommunity.bank, and also Pottawatomi Sportsbook and Casino and Habish, Habish and Rotier along with Traditions Lighting. That's it for us today. Uh I love Superfan Tuesdays. Tomorrow, Ted Davis, the longtime former voice of the Bucks, will join us. We'll have other reaction to the draft tonight and game two of the Brewers and Reds at Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati. Enjoy the rest of your day. We will talk again tomorrow. Always good to be here, and we'll talk to you tonight on Brood Daily.
SPEAKER_02I love Mondays with my hell.