I Love Mondays with Mike Heller
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I Love Mondays with Mike Heller
I Love Mondays-Ep91, July 7, 2026
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The SuperFan Tuesday edition with a special guest "SuperFan-Kari" talking Brewers and the Pepsi Fan Club, and County Stadium and wanting to be a refereee. Plus the Brewers make roster moves including the MLB debut of Luis Lara.
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SPEAKER_00Broadcasting Monday from an undisclosed bunker in the Badger State. This is I Love Mondays with Mike Heller. Powered by determination and a little bit of duct tape. Here's your host, Mike Heller.
SPEAKER_01Hey, welcome in. It is the Super Fan Tuesday edition of I Love Mondays. There are some moving parts going on with today's show. I got a special guest on my Super Fan Tuesday. It is not Treadmill. It is not Courtney Corning. And I'm not telling you who it is, but that guest will join me about halfway through the show today. All the best to Jackson, not our Jackson, but Treadmill's Jackson. Thoughts with him? I think there's a back surgery going on today. Did I just violate HIPAA laws? Maybe. So all of our best to the Vilker family and Jackson. Hope everything goes great today. Courtney Corning, normally he would be the uh super sub on a Super Fan Tuesday, but he is uh up playing golf where you should, where what he should be doing. So he's playing golf today. Um Mammoth Dunes, maybe. He's at the at the whole project up there playing some golf. So uh I do have a special guest lined up, and that guest will join us in a little bit. Uh James uh is the first in to wish a good morning, Mike. Listening on the way to Two Oaks North Golf Course in Wyoga. Now, how many people, if you're not from Wisconsin, would pronounce Wyowega correctly? Uh yeah, if you if you know, you know. So um we also get a good morning from Eric from the Prairie. Good morning. Looks like Perkins was sent down for Lara Hamilton. Must not be that bad. I'm waiting on the uh information to come out. And uh so there they are. The roster moves. Uh the major league debut of Luis Lara is imminent. He has been called up. Blake Perkins was uh sent to Nashville, and Robert Gasser also called up. So two um multiple roster moves going on right now from the Brewer's perspective. Let me give you the details. Luis Lara, who just signed that long-term contract before he's made his appearance in Major League Baseball, will make it apparently today. Uh he has been called up from AAA Nashville, Blake Perkins, option to Nashville, and Robert Gasser, designated as the 27th man for the doubleheader, worst kept secret in the Brewers org, was uh Robert Gasser will start game two of the doubleheader tonight. So one of the things it does indicate is that there was no move made that we see yet on David Hamilton. So um he left last night's game with some hamstring tightness. They were getting an MRI this morning to try and see where he sat on that front and if he's gonna be okay. It didn't necessitate, at least to this point, a roster move. So nothing on that front from a David Hamilton uh perspective, and that's a good thing. Uh, we welcome our sponsors, One Community Bank, M3 Insurance, Habish Habison Rotier, Pottawatomi Sportsbook, and Casino, Neuroscience Group, and traditions lighting into the program today. Uh talk more about them in a little bit. So let's take you back to last night. The Brewed to 23 games over 500. They are now 56 and 33. And I want to kind of cut to the bigger picture, Chase, of the things that have been going on with this team and bring back something that I talked about before they began this stretch. There was a point in time in which the Brewers had 27 games in 27 days leading into the all-star break. So far, they're 13 and 7 in those games. A week ago, I talked about the 15 games in 14 days into the all-star break. And I said, if you gave me eight and seven right now in advance of it, I'll take it. Of those 15, the Brewers um have begun with five and two, six and two in the first eight. So I I underestimated um as to their ability to get things done. And they've been they've been really good. Now they haven't been great in in this run, even though I talk about 13 and 7 uh 20 games into this 27-game run, and even in the shorter term being uh 6 and 2 in the first eight of the 15 that would be played in 14 days. Pitching has been so impressive. Last night, Shane Drone, who didn't get help in the third inning, he finishes the night um by going into the the sixth inning. Uh he was he was my player of the game last night. Drone gets the win. He went six innings, six hits, three runs, only one of them earned on a fielding error, not very common, from Bryce Tarang. And then even another mistake in that inning from David Hamilton at third with the bases loaded and one out. He got a ground ball hit at him, and he elected to try and turn the 5-4-3 double play when he had an easy force out at home plate in front of him. Now, going home means you're not going to turn a double play, but as it turns out, it was going to be a difficult turn the way they were going. Hamilton should have should have come to home plate on that. I said it in real time. I said to Kari, uh, he's got to go home with that. And Kari looked at me like, what? Okay, I'm just talking to myself here. But yeah, he needed to go home to get the out at the plate. That was the second run. They would later in that inning get the third run, and it's 3-0. And the Brewers were doing nothing against Dustin May. I mean, second time that they've faced him, and neither time did they do any damage against Dustin May. Um, if you pitch for my team, I'd like him. I don't like him. So I mean he's he's super uh he's like he's in a fight on the mound. Uh he's shaking his head and he's grunting and and he's talking to the hitter behind their back, you know, as he walks away and he's MF and you know, the the opposition. And anyway, I'd like him if he pitched for my team. I don't like him that he pitched, especially for that team. Only could be worse if he was in Chicago. Uh, but the Brewers haven't hit him at all in the two tries. So hopefully they they won't see him again in this series. Um, but they got to the bullpen. And in getting to the bullpen, good things happen. The Brewers have found that out. If they can get to the opposing team's bullpen, it's good. And opposing teams look at the Brewers and go, okay, we should get to that bullpen. And then that that's no bargain. When the Brewers go to the bullpen and they go, Ashby, Yuribe, McGill, 7-8-9. Uh, it's I think the best three pitchers for the last three innings of game in all of baseball. They didn't have to use them that way last night. So, as it turns out, no Ashby in the game last night. And I thought that my player of the game was was Shane Drowen, but Chad Patrick, who pitched a perfect seventh and eighth, the Drowan got through six with a 30-plus pitch inning in the third, so impressive. So, what the Brewers were able to do last night is work the game with three pitchers, and today a doubleheader, Miz in the opener, and Robert Gasser in the nightcap today. Um, it's you're set up for some success here. Um, I'm gonna come back to the Brewers, but uh before I bury the lead, I'm not set up uh to make a camera change until my guest joins at about half past the hour. So let me talk about the World Cup last night. Not my realm, right? I've talked about that. It's not my area of expertise, is to talk about the World Cup. But I have watched a lot of teams play in a lot of tournaments over the course of time, whether that's the NCAA tournament, uh uh the National Football League playoffs, which is also a tournament, but nobody likes to call it that. Baseball's postseason, I'll equate it to the Packers, right? So let me draw this parallel. When the Packers were a team on the rise, early Brett Favre in the playoffs, and sometimes just getting beat by the team on the other side, and you'd watch it and go, gosh, they just aren't quite good enough. Last night, Belgium was not very close. They were the better team throughout, and from the very beginning. Shoot, they scored a nearly scored a goal 48 seconds in. They dominated the play. It was Mike Tyson last night in his prime coming out and just being the aggressor, and the US men's national team had no answers. They were outplayed, outworked, out talented at every turn. And in a sport that I don't fully grasp or have working knowledge of, it was obvious to the naked eye which team was better. And it doesn't mean that the US wasn't good because they've had a very good tournament, but it was an expanded tournament, and the USA didn't win what would have been a traditional knockout stage game, uh, which used to start at the round of 16. Am I wrong on that? Uh this year went to 32 and the USA won the in the round of 32, but not in the round of 16. So Belgium was better, better prepared, better athletes on the field. It was again neophyte, watching from the outside looking in, not my sport. Uh it wasn't close. The scoreboard reflected that, ended up 4-1. It's almost like an empty netter at the end. Uh but it wasn't close. Belgium had the lion's share of the up scoring opportunities, and and look, in a matter of short course, Canada, then Mexico, then the U.S. all eliminated on their home turf. On their home turf, out. Canada out, then Mexico out in Azteca, and then the U.S. out in Seattle. Best home field advantage you could have, gone. Now, I I commented at the end of the show yesterday about Balogun and the uh the overrule of uh rescinding the red card, and it didn't matter the player he needed to be last night. I mean, of course it mattered. My opinion won't change on that. I thought that they got it right, it should not have been a red card, but I didn't like the manner in which they got it right. FIFA had a chance to get it right on appeal and didn't. And then a second appeal that came through politics uh had FIFA change their mind on it. I didn't like that part of it. Nonetheless, it doesn't matter, it's over now, but the it was a tremendous host countries run, but it ends pretty abruptly. And the one that probably is most not surprising, maybe surprising, Mexico certainly had a chance to move forward. Uh, and England in that matchup was better. And then the USA had a chance to move forward, and they were outclassed by Belgium. So uh listen, until the Olympic Games or the Women's World Cup, that's the last I talk about soccer. Not that it doesn't deserve it, but you can find your own avenues on that. They won't come from me. I like to talk about stuff that I think I know something about, and soccer is not it for me. So let's uh I'm gonna continue to monitor going back to my uh my live tweet deck feeds on what's going on with the Brewers because uh this this matters today. 21 years old, Luis Lara is coming up to make his major league debut. Um so we will see if he is in the lineup today. Um I don't know when he arrived in St. Louis, but he's uh he he's ready to make his major league debut. A couple of weeks ago, one of the things I talked about with Luis Lara, who is uh currently on the MLB pipeline, he's number 67 in the top 100. Uh at Nashville, triple A. He's hitting 321, slashing at 432 and 470. So that is uh uh a 900 better than a 900 OPS. It's triple A. Nonetheless, he's 21 and he's making his uh major league debut at some point, we think today, as he has been called up. I would assume that he's in St. Louis, but I haven't gotten that report yet from those who are there. Adam McCalvey. And McCalvey was catching strays from Pat Murphy postgame last night. Uh, before I did uh Brood Daily after the game last night, uh in the postgame, uh there was conversation about uh if David Hamilton had to go, could they have somebody here in time? And Murphy looked up at McKelvey and said, you know, they have airplanes now um in most cities uh to fly players. He was it was not fair. He he said um he apologized to him later for treating him like he treats Mike Vasalo. Uh but so that storyline will play uh today. Matt Swanson will open game one today with uh the with the Cardinals. We we were unaware, even as of last night. Michael McGreevy is listed as uh a potential starting pitcher in either of the games today for St. Louis. Uh Mike Vasalo is is uh has delayed because of roster moves coming out with today's game notes. So I don't see today's game notes yet. Uh but the Cardinals were it's not really gamesmanship, but the the Brewers don't know who they're gonna go, but it sounds like in game one they'll go with an opener, and maybe Mike Michael McGreevy comes in after that. So the Brew will go Ms. in the 115 game, and in the 645 Robert Gasser. So as we as we sit on the current look right now, the Brew in today's standings at 56 and 33, second best record in all of baseball. They lead the Cubs who were idle yesterday by six and a half. They lead the Cardinals, who they beat now by eight and a half games. Pittsburgh is 11.5 back, Cincinnati 15.5 back. So the Cubs are at Baltimore to take on the Orioles, who are a sub-500 team. Pittsburgh is home with the Atlanta Braves, and the Reds are home with the Philadelphia Phillies. So those are the matchups. And indeed, Luis Lara is in the dugout in St. Louis, as uh Mike Fasala tweets out a picture of McCalvey and Todd Rodziak and Sophia Minert doing an interview with Luis Lara in the Brewers dugout at Bush Stadium through an interpreter. Uh so Lara is there. Haven't seen a lineup post yet. Depending on what time you're watching this, if you're watching it live, we know that we're talking about a 115 first pitch. So some three hours from now, uh, many times a lineup is out right about now, but I imagine there's a little bit of a delay in getting that going. But if we spend just a minute talking about last night's game, uh impressive in a lot of ways, but not specifically offensively impressive. Even in the seventh inning when the Brewers score their four runs, Garrett Mitchell hits a 37-foot bouncer to the third base side of the pitching mound that he's gonna beat out. And the the pitcher makes the play and throws, but it's late. And he also kind of tweaked his hammy, we think, on that play. So he was not long for the game. Sal Freelick with the hardest hit ball of the inning, a double into the right field corner. So it's second and third and nobody out. And then uh Cooper Pratt hit a ball that went uh 21 feet out in front of home plate between uh home plate and the pitcher's mound. Pitcher came in to field it, didn't field it cleanly. So now there's bases loaded and nobody out. They called it an error. If it's, I don't know. I mean, it very certainly could have been a base hit. However, if he feels it cleanly, uh he's gonna have a shot to get Pratt. It would have been a really good play. They called it an error, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Uh, Hamilton, bases loaded and nobody out. And in the 21st pitch that he saw in his first three at bats, he went full count in his first at bat from 3-0 to 3-2 and then got a single. He went from 3-0 to 3-2 in his second at bat. First at bat struck out, second at bat singled on a 3-2, third at bat, again 3-2, after being um down in the count. He fought back from down 0-2 to 3-2 and then delivered a double into the gap in right center over the glove of Walker. Walker did a pretty good job at deking Cooper Pratt because it doesn't appear that the ball was ever going to be catchable. But Walker put his glove up and Pratt held for a moment, and then he was held at third base, and Hamilton then was held at second. And when Hamilton made the turn at second, thinking maybe he's gonna go to third, that's when he said he felt the hammy. And uh, so hamstring tightness is how they're ruling it. At least to this point, they haven't put him on the uh injured list, and he's not one of the roster moves so far, so far today. So that scored two runs, and then uh a couple of hitters, uh, well, the next hitter, uh Bryce Tarang, lined a single to left field, extending his hitting streak to nine games and scoring the other two runs. So when I say the Brewers were impressive on the mound yesterday, absolutely. Drone and Patrick and McGill, that was a beautiful outing. And the Brewers pitching is just amazing day after day. What they haven't been very good at of late is at the plate. And even in yesterday's game, they only score in the one inning, they score on uh back-to-back hits uh to get all four of their runs. But they didn't piece other things together, so there's we're still missing something from them that uh that hasn't come through of late. So hopefully they they find a little bit of that rhythm. But how exciting is it to let me go, let me backtrack a little bit on Luis Lara. Probably three weeks ago, right now, I said that the Brewers' best offensive lineup would be with Churio in left, Mitchell in center, and Lara in right field with Sal Freelick being your fourth outfielder. I'll have a note on that in a moment. Your infield would be Vaughn at third, and then Cooper Pratt at short, Tarang at second, and Bowers at first, with Ortiz being your extra outfielder, and your super utility being Hamilton and Contreras behind the plate. So here's the rub. Mitchell's been so good, and Churio has been so good, but so has Sal Freelick. Freelick has he, I mean, he had a hell of a June, and he's off to a good start in July. So other than Hamilton being unavailable, Luis Lara was sort of blocked. Now Lara's up, and one of the things that the Brewers have done very well when they brought players up is they play them. Now the interesting thing will be You didn't have a starting outfield injury. Hamilton's your third baseman. So you brought up an outfielder, sent Blake Perkins down, and that makes Lara your fourth outfielder, or is he your third outfielder? Because if he's your third, I don't know who your fourth is. Is it Sal Freelick? Is is he your fourth outfielder now? That's what I talked about a couple of weeks ago. But Sal has been so good. And one of the things we've talked about Vinny uh with Vinny Rettino is careful on chemistry here. Sal is important to what they do. Um Darren asks uh a question that I think is interesting, and that is is Sal returning to third base to at least third base at least as a backup. Keep in mind, a year ago in training camp, Sal was playing third. Um it's 18 months ago that he was playing third base. Uh Johnny Kribbitch says, love this historic stat start, yet folks want wholesale changes in Milwaukee. I don't know if they do. Some people are always wanting change. They want what's next, they want the backup quarterback, they want the backup third baseman. You know, for those who were dying for Cooper Pratt to be your shortstop over Joey, Joey Ortiz, Joey's been a better offensive threat than Cooper. I don't think that's arguable right now. Now, Cooper Pratt's gonna be a better offensive player as time goes on at shortstop, but we all want we all want to see Luis Lara guilty. Uh I have my hand raised on that because a couple of weeks ago I said he's part of your best offensive outfield. Maybe he still is. Sal Freelick has had a really good six weeks, and we see what Sal looks like when he's at his best, and he's pretty damn good. And he's a hell of an outfielder. I'll I'll tell you this Luis Lara is faster. Luis Lara is a better hitter, Luis Lara might be a better defender, but Sal Freelick is a gold glover. He runs through walls, he, you know, he he he he's Superman out there from an outfield perspective. He's a hockey player playing right field for the Brewers, not just because he played hockey, but in the way he plays the game and the position. Nothing's gonna keep him out of the lineup. He will run through the wall, he'll run over the wall, he'll run around the wall. He he's just he's quintessential hockey, playing baseball. Fun to watch. Luis Lara is probably better in all respects. Mitchell is healthy and playing a hell of a center field, and he's such a good bat. And Jackson Churio is your left fielder. So I don't know what the answer is. But Pat Murphy is gonna have some decisions to make on the daily as you roll forward with this current version of the Brewers. Because at least for now, Luis Lara is here starting today. Kid is super talented. Super talented. And he's torn it up in Nashville. So he's gonna get his I assume he'll get his first major league at bat at some point this afternoon or tonight. We haven't, I don't believe, and I'm gonna keep clicking over, I don't believe um that we've seen a lineup yet. Um so and and and I want to hear the story of how Rick Sweet told Luis Lara he's going. We had Rick Sweet on um last Wednesday, and his stories of telling players they're going to the big leagues, including Stallings, who he just did uh a couple of weeks ago. Um Luis Lara was in the midst of a game of FIFA on PlayStation when he got the call. So that's pretty cool. But we haven't seen a lineup yet. So I don't know if he's in the starting lineup today in game one of the doubleheader, or if he will be the my guess is he's gonna be the starting right fielder in one of the games today, either the first or the second. We just don't know how that's gonna play itself out, at least not quite yet. And then one other note before I um give a big thank you to our sponsors who are, you know, the they're the core. They're the reason we get to do this. I get to do this on on the daily. And uh before I get to the sponsors, I am gonna tell you that tonight will be the introductory press conference late this afternoon, early this evening for Sean Eichhorst, Wisconsin's newest director of athletics. He'll be introduced to the media and then at a reception. I'll be down there later this afternoon into uh tonight to get a chance to uh to remeet uh because Sean Eichhorst has been here before, and I knew him when he was here. Uh so I'll get a chance to uh all of us will get a chance to meet and see him answer questions from the media and then uh mingle with those who are involved in the athletics department. Uh more a little bit more news coming out on the Brewers. Luis Lara will wear number 18. So just in case you were wondering, he wears number 18 for the Brewers, and uh we'll find out if he's in the lineup to open or if he gets in the lineup for game two. The Brewers play day-night doubleheader, 115 and 645. 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SPEAKER_03I thought for sure it was gonna be Diana, the Fashionista.
SPEAKER_01I know. Uh, well, she her people can be difficult to work with.
SPEAKER_04I I guess. Here, I gotta keep your ticker going.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, so what do we have?
SPEAKER_01What is it? What's all in this uh shake today?
SPEAKER_04It's a Shackley protein, yeah. Blueberries, strawberries, yogurt, and a banana.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so all the fruits, all the fruit groups.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, pretty much good for the heart.
SPEAKER_01Um, okay, uh Kari, what do you think about Luis Lara? So that's unfair. Uh Darren says Lara is fantastic in the outfield. Yeah, he's a tremendous defensive player. Um, he watched him uh run into the wall and that's cool. Yeah, he used to play for the Timber Rattlers, now he's with the Nashville Sounds. Well, was until this morning when he was called up.
SPEAKER_04You know that I always know that I always try to have the scoop before you. Yeah, a lot of times we're sitting, hey everybody, I'm super fan, super fan for my um Craig.
SPEAKER_01Amazing surprise guest. Welcome, Cari. Uh Craig, uh the wife of uh fashionista, Diana.
SPEAKER_04We need to have her on again. That was she has a lot more to say.
SPEAKER_01I know she does.
SPEAKER_04And this would have been a good one.
SPEAKER_01It helps if she'd have a glass of wine before.
SPEAKER_04Well, she did, but you know, she would have had the perfect um what? She would have had the perfect uh like the what am I trying to say? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01The perfect money.
SPEAKER_04I I can't come up with the word anyway. The dramatic stuff that's happening in soccer, like I would have loved to have heard her take on all of that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things about watching the World Cup, and we've had it on a lot, and we will not have soccer on again until the Women's World Cup or the Olympics.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, probably. It's it's a really it's fun to watch, and it probably is the most athletic people on the planet, like running the Olympics. Oh my god, yeah, and then yeah, right. So anyway, I try to have the scoop a lot on you, and um, like we'll be sitting, never works, we'll be sitting, you know, whatever, watching a brewer game or whatever's on, and I'll be like, Oh my gosh, Mike, did you see? And you're like, Yeah, like last night. I was like, okay. But I never, I don't think I've ever had the scoop on you.
SPEAKER_01You know, one of one of the I I wish you would have been on the field because one of the things that you uh that I appreciate about you when it comes to sports is you humanize it. Yeah, like you bring the the the real yeah. So when I was there three weeks ago, I think it was three weeks ago today, it might have been two. Math gets lost here, calendar math. Yeah. When Cooper Pratt made his debut, yeah, he got called up from Nashville. Monday was an off day. So all of his family lives in Mississippi and and around the country, they all came up. And I'm on the field, you know, Pat Murphy's office at 3:30, and then back on the field. And that whole time on the field afterwards, the whole area between the first base dugout, the brewers dugout, and behind home plate, there have to be 60 people there. And they're all his family and friends.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, and the human element is so much a part of it. We end up looking uh guilty. We end up, I end up looking at the box score, talking about a player's failure or success at the plate or play that he or she didn't make, or whatever that is. And you do a great job reminding me that um even when a Brewer's player does something really good, like you'll bring it up, that poor pitcher for the other team.
SPEAKER_04For the other team, I just kind of feel bad for him. He's like so defeated, and yeah, and I'm just like, oh, can you just throw a strike? It's it's kind of like back in the t-ball, or maybe not even t-ball, but youth baseball, right? And it's like, can you guys just score a run? So it's not 40 to zero, you know, you're cheering on the other team, yeah. Or, you know, that that's so much fun. And then I remember watching that, and I'm just like, Cooper, just get a hit. It was so great just to start it off with a hit. And so it's not always the other team.
SPEAKER_01So, so a couple of things. One, um, you have always been a sports fan.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You were part of the Brewer's Pepsi fan club.
SPEAKER_04That's why I wore my county stadium shirt for Super Fan Tuesday. Um, yeah, I I remember like running to the mailbox. We lived on a farm out in the country, and you run across the lawn to get the mail and the Pepsi fan club tickets that perforated, you know.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04And uh, well, I'm the youngest of five, and three of them are brought boys, but my three brothers, and my sister was athletic too. We were always something in sports. I mean, they went to state and different things, and so always, and then let me tell you this. Uh, my brother Gary, he's the closest, like he's the next one, and then it was me, the baby. Um, we uh reluctantly, I didn't love it then, always watched ESPN.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, like that was on in my high school years and even younger. Well, when I when did ESPN start?
SPEAKER_01Uh, when I was in high school, so you were in like the third grade, uh 81, I believe, ish.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and so it's just like, oh my gosh, we have to watch this. And then my other brothers had other sporting like race cars, you know, bowling, all that. And I just was like, this is so boring. And then I embraced it. Uh, and then especially when Jackson was little, we we just had the ESPN on all the time. Yeah, um, there was nothing else but on TV. Yeah, he like we all I should have been great at the final four picks because that's all we did is watch the ESPN.
SPEAKER_01So before we met uh in September of 2010, um, you had said to somebody or just had the thought that you wanted to meet I actually it was a prayer, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I said, Lord, you need to bring me someone who loves sports as much as me. And like not even as much as like, but I could have said Jackson and Mike still would have exceeded that prayer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because then that was like uh a football, a Wannekee Warriors football game, and we were watching youth play at halftime or something, and Jackson was totally in it. Like he was probably naming somebody that was a future badger, you know. And um, like I don't know, a couple weeks later, yeah, we met.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and and I uh obviously needed someone who um accepted what I was what I did for a living because it when when you and I met and I would uh come over, uh if the if the TV was on, it was only on a game.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01There were whether we knew them or not. We weren't watching Survivor, not when I was around, or uh drama TV, you know, friends, but yeah, um, but it was always on a game. And for me, that's how we live our lives. When we're at red and white and there is a game on, the game has to be on because I kind of need to see that. It's what I do. When we're at home, especially now with Brood Daily as a as a daily podcast that I do, um I kind of have to not only just have it on, but pay attention.
SPEAKER_04Well, let's be honest. Like, even if we are watching a drama series, yeah, what am I doing? Not watching it. I'm on the computer, folding clothes, writing letters.
SPEAKER_01Have you ever heard this before from uh Derek sent this in? You ever seen that before?
SPEAKER_04I have seen that.
SPEAKER_01Definitely am I just a total scrub? I get it. I I did. I very lucky. I outkicked my coverage.
SPEAKER_04It took me a while to understand, like actually what that meant, but it's a pretty I like it now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so County Stadium, yeah. So I was part of the Pepsi Fanklin. So was I. We just wanted Sixto Lascano, Cecil Cooper. Yeah, um, let me name one, maybe Robin Youngt.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Was he sure also?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um uh who am I thinking of?
SPEAKER_02Number four.
SPEAKER_04Paul Molliter. Um was were they on the yeah, were they all on the that like sure of the of the era that you're growing up paying attention to?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Gorman Thomas, Sixto Lascano, Ben Ogilvy, Cecil Cooper, Jim Gantner.
SPEAKER_04I used to do the Cecil Cooper uh bat stance when I was out on the lawn playing, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Laying that bat back. Well, you'd go forward first and then bring it yeah, you'd go left-handed though, just like Jackson. Okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um I did remember that part.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, he's a lefty. Um, so you and I shared Pepsi fan club, but not at the same time. We're about seven years apart.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Also the Oshkosh campus. Yeah, we both went to UW Oshkosh. We went back a few years ago when Jackson played a basketball tournament at Colf Sports Center, and we uh drove around to find the two off-campus houses that I lived at and the off-campus house that you lived at. And they're all still there, and they look just as bad as they did when we were there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, exactly. That was fun. Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_01Um all right, so this Brewers team has been a lot of fun. We go over, Kari and I will go over to games when we can. Uh doesn't offer itself too often during weeknights, but we've been over to three or four games this year. Yeah. And we enjoy going. We end up uh finding our friends uh Manly and Kimberly. And if they're there, uh they'll come sit by us for a little while, or we'll go sit by them. Their seats are usually better. Um, but uh that's enjoyable.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, very fun. Yeah, but I'm I was just thinking too a little bit about the heart of the baseball when a couple weeks ago when Jackson and uh Will, William, is it Will or William? Contreras and Church. Yeah, with Venezuela, yeah, when they were getting interviewed. Gosh, like that was the emotion, the emotion, yeah. It's it's um you forget until those times happen that these players are human, they're not just athletes, yeah. And when you get to uh I need a bling belt, by the way. Oh, you do I need I've been wanting to do a bling belt.
SPEAKER_01Like I don't know if they're selling. Uh I'll have to check the um the Brewer's team store the next time or there if they have a bling belt.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I want one.
SPEAKER_01Um, or I could uh, you know, next time I'm in the clubhouse, I could just cozy over to William and say, Hey, you got an extra one for that'd be cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I will is there a story behind that?
SPEAKER_01I I there might be.
SPEAKER_04He's had he's worn it all season. He's he debuted with it. And I'm like, uh, I like that.
SPEAKER_01Well, he's going back to the all-star game too.
SPEAKER_04Third time that Williams uh is this the same type of thing where they don't really play that hard so no one gets hurt?
SPEAKER_01Uh I think they used to do it got to the point there's a pendulum on the all-star game. It was too really competitive, and then it swung all the way over to being non-competitive players who would get one at bat. Some would leave after they're at bat to go to the airport to go back home.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh, and that kind of culminated in the game that ended up tied at uh Miller Park. Uh Bud Sealag was the commissioner, and then it swung back. Now it's a competitive game again.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01I still don't believe anybody's running through a wall to make a catch. Right.
SPEAKER_04But they are pitching too much.
SPEAKER_01Or pitching too much. Yeah, they're gonna throw one two innings max. And but that battle with a hitter at at the plate against a great pitcher, they're in it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like it's not like the NBA All-Star game where it's just who can dunk the coolest.
SPEAKER_04And uh you know, a lot of times we talk about, or I ask the question, which a lot of your viewers are gonna laugh at, is um like, can you just let the other team win? This seems important to that team. But in the all star game, it's the national league against American, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, correct.
SPEAKER_04So they wanna win still, right? Sorta.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Okay, that so this goes to my point.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I thought I let's go back to the uh can we just let them score so they feel a little bit better about themselves? Yeah. Where does that come from? Do you think?
SPEAKER_04Oh gosh, maybe having Jackson, maybe having a son. I don't know. I'm not sure. But and then if you know how often I've said he's someone's son?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's that's probably where it is. Because I think of the mom like sitting in the uh stands and just like, can you just make this free throw? Or can you just make this field goal? Um, you know, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_01So you know who that is?
SPEAKER_04Hey Mike, how's it going? I love that.
SPEAKER_01Um lost lost my page here.
SPEAKER_04And so I I don't know if that if it if it stems from that or just like how hard I've seen people be on athletes. I don't know. Yeah, it's a you know, like if they're if it's the manager's last game and he's retiring, it's like, can't you just um let him go out with a win? And and you're like, no, that's not how it goes. Or like if there's a a no-hitter happening, do you want so badly to be that guy that breaks it?
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_04Well, and then even the golf. Remember um the masters with uh Rory, he was gonna win, and who was the Justin Rose? Yeah, he's like, I wanted so bad to be that person who beat Rory. Yeah, and it's like, oh, okay, the competitive level is legit.
SPEAKER_01One of the funny questions that uh Kari and I go back and forth on when a game is super dramatic about a team we care about Brewers, Packers, Badgers. If a game is tight late, Kari gets up and does something, like then she can't just pay attention to the game in and of itself. But when she is, I'll say, would you want to be the hitter at the plate right now? Would you want to be the guy shooting the free throws with eight seconds left and you're down by two and you gotta cart?
SPEAKER_04I would like to be in the dugout or the bench cheering on the person that's there. And then you and Jackson are like, heck yeah, I want to be that person. Yeah, yeah. Gosh, yeah, no, no, I don't have that competitive spirit. You know, sometimes I ask, like on my sip and spill podcast, I'll ask the the women who I've had, and like for your kids, you know, the one, the one I think everybody has kids that I yeah, did you let them win when they were little? Like as growing, like I think it's a great question. Raising your kids, and um most of most of the answers are heck no, they gotta earn it. Yeah, you know, you don't just let them win a game.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's there's I I distinctly remember the Sheffield's like Kathy saying, Yeah, there have been a lot of tears at the at the card table with the kids or board games, or they played volleyball with the balloon in the in the basement for COVID.
SPEAKER_04It's like, oh gosh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And yeah, I think it's it's interesting how parents do that. When I was doing that an interview with Luke and Amy Fickle for Badger Connect, um Amy said, you know, Luke wanted to see which boys like if they got enough fighting in the pool or whatever, or rough housing, Luke would want to like step back and go, let's let them go a little bit, let's see where this goes. And Amy would be, no, we are not doing that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um you I mean, Jackson didn't like physically fight with sisters.
SPEAKER_04No, yeah, there was some wrestling happening though. But or like not wrestling, but like yeah, you know, the poking which turns into a little bit of wrestling. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But I mean, you're you I mean, you also grew up with uh with br with brothers that would like hold you down and have the spit.
unknownThanks.
SPEAKER_01Was that Gary? Yeah, it was Gary, uh, with one R, if you know, you know. Um, but yeah, you have brothers that uh picked on one another.
SPEAKER_04Like who got it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then, or like just for fun, Gary thought it was funny to hold me down and then go like this. Yes, like I could whatever.
SPEAKER_01Um I forgive you. It's kind of funny.
SPEAKER_04Um and then there, you know, then there's the whole rest Treadmill says dream team on today.
SPEAKER_01Uh by the way, uh, I hope everything is great with Jackson. Um, I probably violating HIPAA rules, uh, but um it's fine.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you're not giving away any details. No, no, um then you know there's the whole referee thing. Then there's yeah, Kari, I used this.
SPEAKER_01I used to have a really good She lives a lie. She she lives a lie because she says she her dream job is to be a referee, and it's not. It's not the truth.
SPEAKER_04Really?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_04I should have worn my ref shirt.
SPEAKER_01Should have. And then throw the yellow flags. Let's really get into the reason. The reason is as we're you know attending every game known to man with Morgan and Jackson in particular, yeah, because we were together then, yeah. And and I had done that with uh with Georgia and is Savannah and Elizabeth with dance and Amanda with cross country and soccer. Um in the stands, they don't do that in cross-country or track, but in the stands, um parents bitch about referees. Well, they also bitch about coaches and playing time and all that kind of stuff. But the the common thread is how terrible the refereeing is, and you always wanted to carry with you a striped shirt and a whistle and said and go over to the person who's complaining and says they'll do it better. Yeah, that's where that comes from.
SPEAKER_04You know what you always want, I wanted it to be a revenue, and like I I had a I had a revenue came from job, and then you're like, where's the money gonna come from? And I said, I'm gonna collect it from the other parents who want me to hand that parent a referee shirt.
unknownHuh.
SPEAKER_01And but where did the where did the I would collect it from the other parents who wanted me to give it to the the person, not the guy, the person who uh Vilker said uh so much, thank you so much in the room with uh Isan Jackson as we speak, a little um back issue being taken care of. Yovan.
SPEAKER_03Oh Yovan.
SPEAKER_01Yovan, uh he um he kind of throws up on sweetness, so uh that's sarcastic.
SPEAKER_04And then actually, you know, sometimes I get mad at him because he purposely calls me the wrong name.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, uh which is not nice, and uh treadmill said to Yovan, but the Cubs still suck. Now that didn't come from me, yo. So I I'm not opening that can. Um, cubs don't suck, but the in relation to the brewers, they do by six and a half games.
SPEAKER_04Anyway, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So Kari uh makes the statement that she's always her dream job is to be a referee or an official, and it's not the case. First, you'd have to know the rules, and sometimes you'd like to.
SPEAKER_04I'd have to go to like in in hindsight, like knowing what I know today, I think I would have really loved to be in some sort of sport career. So, like being on the sideline of your job has been really fun for me. So, like, like, like look at Aaron Andrews, like someone like that. I I know it wasn't super popular for women to be, and Sophia, but you know, like in hindsight, I I didn't have a desire, you know, then, but now watching and then seeing women refereeing on an NFL game is super cool to me. So let me I'm pretty good at at seeing things, not in real time and all that, you know what I mean? I know I'm not saying I would be great.
SPEAKER_01But you as a as an official, you you're supposed to be non-biased.
SPEAKER_04Correct.
SPEAKER_01How quickly would LeBron James foul out of a game if you had a whistle?
SPEAKER_04The first quarter, yeah.
SPEAKER_01First quarter foul outs and double techniques. And the first time he would do this, you would tee him up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, a lot of people, when we have this conversation with other other people about me wanting to have this be my dream job, yeah, they're like, where would you start? And I said, I'm pretty good at NBA basketball. So, but no, uh in all seriousness, it is like that thing that I probably would never be able to do. I think my first step that I'd really love to do is like a football one on 101. Yeah, because I don't know positions, like I'd never be able to ref a football game because I don't even know where someone's supposed to be, yeah, you know, yeah, um, or what the names of the players are the center, the quarterback, running backs, like all that kind of thing. You know, I get all that, but and you know, one time uh when Ted Gilmore was here, Jen and I sat with him and he tried to explain. And Jen and I looked at each other and like that's all right. Well, let's see, what color are their uniforms? So it's it's difficult.
SPEAKER_01It's difficult.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean for me.
SPEAKER_01Who who is your um favorite current Milwaukee brewer?
SPEAKER_04I'd have to say Contreras.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04I think he is really good at what he does. Yeah, all the all the challenges he does. I don't know what the percentage is, it's probably pretty high that he gets he gets right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, I think that would be um Bryce Tarang for me.
SPEAKER_01Um did you like Aaron Rodgers?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And here here's a backstory.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I watched his Netflix thing, and everybody for the most part thinks he's a weirdo, and I think he's just being him. So it gave me a little insight to who he is. I can't imagine what it's like to be exceptional at what you do and getting paid a ton of money dealing with all of what he dealt with. In the public eye in the public eye, and he went and tried to find himself. And I think it's it's just it's frustrating because, and I'm guilty, we're guilty of this. You hate someone who's successful, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we really shouldn't be in but all of those 30 for 30s and documentaries about athletes. Um you embrace you become a fan of Dennis Rodman when nobody was, based on uh Tom Brady the same, uh Aaron Rodgers.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, um I don't mind him, yeah. Let's name some other ones. Like, I know that there's some other like controversial well what happens when they do that with LeBron?
SPEAKER_01Will you change your view of it's possible?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's possible. You know, the the story about LeBron is Cari doesn't like LeBron. The story about that is Jackson put him on a pedestal when he was young. Yeah, and all I wanted him to do was to tell me what is he besides the basketball player that we see. Yeah, like tell me what you like so much about him. Yes, I get that he's good, that's no problem, right? And so, like, I get all of that. So that part, and then not watching watching him does aggravate me a little bit because he complains a lot. He's like, Can you just play the game?
SPEAKER_01Like, just yeah, instead I think the game has created complainers, yeah. Because complainers get action, and when they complain about certain things, maybe not then, but later, they'll get that call that they bitched about the first time that they didn't get. Yeah, they'll later get it. That's why coaches do it, it's why players do it, and then we watch it in soccer in the World Cup. And the only reason they do it is because at some point the officials have rewarded them for that action.
SPEAKER_02Sure.
SPEAKER_01They didn't see the play, and then they see somebody down writhing in pain, yeah, and they maybe saw something out of the corner of the eye, their eye.
SPEAKER_04It's impossible to be a perfectionist at refereeing. Yeah, I think another thing that tainted me um was before it was something that was done on a regular basis. LeBron and a few other um NFL or sorry, NBA players. Yeah, um, they they brought their kids to uh high school to get a dream team for high school basketball. So you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and so that sort of I'm distracted right now. That was just kind of like I was just kind of irritated by that.
SPEAKER_01Like so anyway, carry also recognizes. No, I'm not uh Kari also recognizes that that I'm an interrupter, and I do it, I've always done it on radio, uh, but sometimes I do it in our life, and then I'll get one of those looks like you're not on the radio right now. Let me finish.
SPEAKER_04I do say that. Wait, can I like let me talk a minute?
SPEAKER_01Um okay, so uh final thought here. Tomorrow uh we're gonna leave on a trip to go on the bourbon trail super early tomorrow. So um tomorrow's I Love Mondays is Kari and I for the whole show, but it won't be about today's Brewers games. Uh it it's it's a little bit of the pullback of our life curtain and telling you a little bit of our story and how it relates to what we do at Red and White, our wine and bourbon bar in Wana Key, and how it relates to just our life on the radio and podcasts and sip and spill, which is Kari's podcast, which needs to uh to rejuvenate and it will. Um, but more importantly, that's gonna happen tomorrow. More importantly, tomorrow afternoon, not here. I don't even know. Uh this was given to us by Craig, right?
SPEAKER_04I think I can't keep track.
SPEAKER_01Craig always brings a bourbon over, and uh that's a good thing. Um so we're going on the bourbon trail. Tomorrow afternoon, we'll be at Hard Truth Distillery in southern Indiana. Then we'll stay in Louisville and we'll go to Buffalo Trace and Woodford on Thursday to Preservation and Heaven Hill on Friday, Angel's Envy and Micters on Saturday. So we're going to seven distilleries, of which we're doing bourbon tastings at seven distilleries. Will you percentage chance that you will actually drink a bourbon?
SPEAKER_04An entire one? Like an entire two-ounce pour?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh one.
SPEAKER_01One percent chance? Yeah. All right. Uh what percentage chance that a bourbon meat will be tasted? Like not just where it touches your lips, but I mean, where you actually get a taste of bourbon.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm gonna go in the 90s.
SPEAKER_01Oh, 90% chance.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I am going to give it my best effort. I so I really want to love it. I really, really do.
SPEAKER_01I just stopped myself from interrupting. Um, what if I measured out a half an ounce?
SPEAKER_04Right now? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I was like, no, on this trip, do you think at any point on the trip you'll drink a half an ounce of bourbon?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, especially if there's one that I I particularly am like, oh, this is what bourbon tastes like. And I like it.
SPEAKER_01My guess is that that would have to be like a a maple.
SPEAKER_04Could be, or you know, one of the flavored yeah, I had the caramel crown once, and I appreciated that, but I would not have said the next night, oh Mike, can you pour me a glass of that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh by the way, this is distilled.
SPEAKER_04We would at red and white, and everyone in the wine bar had a little sip of that crown caramel.
SPEAKER_01By the way, this uh dead guy whiskey, American single malt whiskey, 80 proof, so it's light. Uh ocean-aged, Newport, Oregon. So uh have anything.
SPEAKER_04You know, it's gonna be super similar to wine tastings. Um, when we go, it's like really interesting. But I and I will love to be a part of it and learn, but it will, I will hardly retain anything.
SPEAKER_01Uh, you you got a little weigh-in here.
SPEAKER_04Oh, Tammy, she will do it. Yes, you're right, Tammy. I'm gonna give it my best effort.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Tammy's on the bourbon trail trip with us. Yes, so is Craig. A lot, a lot of really good people, great friends. My uh sister Terry and brother-in-law Paul, um, your sister and brother-in-law's. Yes, uh, that they're joining us on the trip. Or we're gonna have a blast. Tim and Lisa are are our best friends. Yeah, uh, they were um best man and maid of honor in our wedding. Um they're joining us. So we're we're gonna have a great time. So tomorrow, I love Mondays is uh it's Kari and I. And it will not talk about today's brewer games. Uh it's it's uh a little bit of our story, a little pull back the curtain on that. But then I will do I love Monday, uh, Thursday from Louisville and Friday from Louisville and brew daily Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday.
SPEAKER_04As much as possible.
SPEAKER_01As much as I can.
SPEAKER_04Um, I could do it.
SPEAKER_01She could. If I've had too much of the brown, um, it's not a good idea. Yeah, you're gonna need to have me be the maybe the Kari will be the uh facilitator of whether it happens or not, or how much of a role she takes. Well, thanks for doing this as a super fan.
SPEAKER_04It's fun.
SPEAKER_01You're my favorite.
SPEAKER_04Oh, thanks.
SPEAKER_01Uh, we'll be back and doing this um tomorrow on that special edition with Kari and I talking about our lives uh a little bit, pulling back the curtain, and then uh we'll do what we do the rest of the week. I've got two brood dailies today after game one of the doubleheader with Ms. on the mound that starts at 1:15. So late afternoon of Brood Daily, and at some point later tonight, after game two of the doubleheader, uh, another brood daily before we wrap up and head on the Bourbon Trail. A big thank you to all of our sponsors, the people who are part and parcel to what we do. Appreciate you being here. We'll talk again later today on Brood Daily and tomorrow the special edition of I Love Moments.