#4 | קיטוב בעם, רפורמה משפטית - על מה אנחנו בעצם מתווכחים?

בשנים האחרונות, עם ישראל כולו עובר טלטלות רבות, לא מעט מהן פיזיות אך גם ואולי בעיקר תודעתיות. בפרק זה נרצה לצלול ביחד עם הרב אב"י סילבצקי לליבתה של המחלוקת וננסה להעלות ולברר את השורשים הרוחניים של ויכוחים אלו. אחד הויכוחים הנפוצים ביותר נוגע לשאלת החופש והחירות של הפרט מול תביעת האמת והצדק של הכלל, ויכוח שלכאורה עומד בלב הדיון שבין חילונים לדתיים. בפרק זה נרצה להעמיק ולהבין כיצד גם התפיסות החילוניות נטועות עמוק בדיון על מהי האמת ומהו הצדק, והויכוח לא סובב סביב השאלה 'האם יש אלוקים' אלא בעיקר על 'מה הוא אומר'.

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SPEAKER_02 0:40

Ulahama Shav, weit Murinut, Kimatkulam kihad and Uli Ken, Amiuti Holo Kufalaw, Fazan Shoot Shala Vrakerga. Ima rovwa uhdaut, Shunba Metu, Matabs Lute. Arizilosha Democratia liberality to noza ka mut y holokufitia. Lawyer. Mefo avaduut, mach. B etim zekufa beru. Aberu, shall kuna misal, kula, ba omek. Shabali debitui, bafitani bicola di un uhes reforma. Abiwala miti who echan libset nakuna. Bakashato, bakashato.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Mukot, the good bitch metamaki fan, lameta kebana tibuty, na tibukiloni. A shallang me to dik, and the epicalakun is the kill metakal, um bangesheknifto, or lang mitalicha moketel, shovelem alamistra. Shalamakam, shall mach.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

A ken bourimdole, mase, khashu, tonen, maskore sivenu bedwenu anu, bek shir le taliha oketa, khantem toh talikh arohmashmoti, shamisralovir, le masse suk leru, lai kvar lifni batime kham slashmochana m kwa ta skala kukli medatanu, lit munem bhutamuka, beliwach masem duab talikel beru, suksel beru ki, kmo beruh shel zehut, shwezel gale mitbagarish and kabel mehurav a valbe. Shvirat muskabot, shvirat muskamat, la la musha kuum lithaber leve, whumu vakesh lithaber et small, l'autamachim, khata me et small, andisalover, talih u talih, ulebo fit sali ni ratalih, lopa shoot, uhiluk, ki kol shama, the kol shelakado ba mutnuhuspeset matrisa, ba omek i bakashat, a khibu, m mok, lachim, shalam israel, uh bakashali kyot batzmanu, like batsminu la makimelelo, kmaamar rabote in lok mit svatan shiminu bada, kikaha abashliasa, kikas abashliasa, e la kenih mokhiz, kenihed, loh shaalina kumzalim be puloch, damas, ketzami masu kenuab me votab, muwan, avalkanba betl tvia likumbachadesha. Kovan shibadh, khazalmani utam shesh dh, shel bi itab, dhishena, yesh dir, bitsuwa, kazoche, zakhu, achishena, shelot khab dehmashbir, lotkalvo badhershilko, shhi tohha, mashkibanu evoteinu a makim odve odda shegimla, tohana pniushana khbatsmohaimuto, a veleshder shel bi itha, shbigiabe shela bitzwa keshayoto, velopshuta, velakhana kadushbuhtuvemitano litbunenkutela klevinita mashmautil, mashkurbedorin, levvin, et mashma uuta shalot, et semot kulame vakshot semanekri, vaksho chhuvot, vakshot bereu a mok.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

Lachov shafikadlo, and chovotla shalot shalom la met bonishmaita kol shelovin, n se la vinbetem, ma ma betem mushwalve, metanete simonakri.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Olaf me ful khalilil zelbo, asbidu kafuch, lebonin ma betembakash, ma' mit sukash wa ta umbateh rafku kumena kudamunet, kumash mitbon nen ba kfira, shaitam sharko la duro, dakfira shila main sih paratsum, dbabish nid varim shanim shanam dumim zalezaklal, makfira badoroche vru aytakfira kazochi ba mitohkatnuta wwah, mitokli shenu anu aza to rakdulala, kenabal, ladam li kyodbinagui, mitura kazochi mitbulebinhem, mikol nesibot,inu, akfira, ibay moko machel khluti. Akfira mirit ani margish andigadol matowa, ani loro e eta rahim shenim chapes, nalomat slikhim tzo, otam batora, anichapisrachit tzedek musar, bhole khole, azomarav kukemelga ma chuvah, tzhaluta khirt ki akfira shela yom, khibara, metba leva kesh, it' omek shukem batora, as kil shanarav tchla otlo tader, khla, otahko, la omekadol twa, lokitzabatwa e shabliatowa la gia lotama kim shimhapez, the veri bitohdvarino, bh shikhadvarim.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Wat'sim li rotkidula ishele shelle tamedakhim z la rote feninzagamatwa, fadri shametolazot, nim tatba bait.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Bakasha la do kulo, kenadokulo, bigamana khbitoho, the gamwa. Lichhapes limto legia le umakim, shelatora, shelakhubakimit kabirem. Keluhavalehum litzama kim shwa dvarashem, shra, sama, litvarashem. Zakim shidvarashem, zemishha misrail bi Vakesh, Vakesh Bzela Votsimuno, Velohila Litchhof or Lithot Im Tso Dugmal Khadvarishhonim, Nai so doze Hishha ran, Remanisim Girondi Shahudhama Kiri Moto me Pusholari forim Shah de Beshiva. Had Mikdulea Rishonim as Besifodra Shota ranke of il Israel vedi gla vonifime. Israel, as yigale avonifyme. Shoularan, Zamulud kafu, niwaat meao can ba as dafka avon Israel loimatsa, can lotimatafka shigale avon bishat uh nifla, mere petha bugla infectia derehle letapel khashot. Aderhim kolakoshi, liftoh it uh lot sieta delegate lo sita bugla, nora, lotov, avalbimet za ripui. A dan adami bakutis takalg Norayo, itsimvarim oyavo, feyo de ripui. Azodavisrael letilov. Aripui ka mashini, ah, bovenhitzani ke koshi keslav kashe shel kwa kimatrasa. Zabemetri pui. Ula net gimed uhuski myomar baby shelashel tsava vitoga. Ula imahloke, bovhitsun, kora tame israel mahlokit kasha. Mataipa zahinu la sakwashelaz. Babbi ruchash bitora let's. Bebula ismanba kochwa. Zelza la azlozahino, tsarino. And lesso beberu mokas, at surasha beuze mit barrier, uh, itnak shoot er kitazot, ma utaviniana comoshel call erchen rakasha. A machlo ket vekoshi v Hilukedoch in debutzakasha beater. Zotha bugla, mimha ot, machal, zota bugla shithoza. Shekan Zodirzba bitbar. Oh, taskina. So the calme o call kilani Hungaria, Australia, vela Morocco, Iraq, callatisra. Makom, Moshaya az. Balagan. Ach shav, Ashav is to be chuva. Ahshaw be met the dehibituva. I was bathl, shoot. Buglay tet, I was a goof at him, le showbichuva. Yes, Amira was many of cook. Dafka Halutin Israel. Po and then we're not going to be able to get away.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Megilakfira Bemeta Bameda Bel in Sabit Kufashesh Halutim She Bemette by Mimi Dialing Dulim, Met Yashev Allet, Halobemon Chanisholon Shallam Shallam, Mecapsialing Shadem Machanim Shadem. Shall I come in the bottom? I'm skipping at the Munchin Savale. Sakakola Megatina, but the call Baby Shek, Lanumach, Bagula Shabash, Macom Shad, Shall Makabedina. Mulai Ula Loman Shim Shelle in Timidiali with Gidolay Midula Ayum.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

I didn't Lokakhna Advarium Azewidialim Loka Eled Meli Shulai Adab Aidialim Gvohimyot Bakasha Filu Amukayoto. Rakh Mishkafim Tatto What Galidbonin Vihanakibotaniz Kelid Bonan, Azgam Navin Shu at Taliharipuchal Bon deberal reform. Any bed you anime came as well. Alawov, and that was a democratic liberalist. He ekani gia la ech absoluti. Kadesh ek absoluti kulam. Khitzunit la vikuah. Nekudakazo, shebetem kulam, kfufimla, ki alpien kudazot, and you dem, mayem etemhlet, mayama kim. Nikuda, ma, you shoot, loki, drawza, betem the brim al-bakasha ta elokim. Al kipous, aha, met absolute democratia liberality to know the ka can amute that to a robe. Everest lawyer. Tanto alternative. May a mze gufau a beru shall kolomisan. Kulo ba omekali debi tui bafun kitsani bikola dyuna kaches. Bakashata nakuna.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Bakashata ilokut Baishub diman kuda azothmet kilub machidushakadol bavanazot kilum. Gam ma khidush, gam kil, oditel na kiv, ma' mashmauchel mazomber, mazanikuda khmez kilo, keboshakos elokim kilo, ng le farapote machin adhibal gamma khidush badovam mazomer.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Kodukwa na mashmuchel advari mehudumal behasmash dwandu kode, khafunchitanese gam, uherki, a reisha z toro shel bewaarki shelamisel shhamisaloviroto, bashlava zhlava mashmotiaze, shel shel mahuta tzedek, noshela tzedek, betumfata tzedek baula, bihala musag shel tedek with tovera. Kilonu khale giel musagim shel tovera, miblishta ishut, miblishtakudarhimedit. Kulla gdota tovera remištanim, madame ladam, mitfisalit sami hevra l kvra. Mimele, gamukol musagihha ha shama, musariut, litona ladama khul musari, kshehu, litfisato, musari, waqaral khaludin, so elim can, ish tana kudar kimed. Velakhan beetem ni shufhhozalan kudah, yeshkan bewa moksha khipusa elokut, ksema shmuchel dvarim, nim thhashha, bhulan boto, kulano nip t'imatu behu uh velog, la khibiza mem shachim, lono khalagila bewa shalem, bibli sha kulano nibi yachad, varat biyachad, the khalik meat fiya shalano, shalakodojba kumi uhitanu, sha yachad ni veratazot. Avalot pamma uhith macham kwa chuva laze ilo dhiya. Bhou shama prakti, but sha dwyman lo mitalimizahab massi, litho, la sot, le teken, lefgin, le ken colo khatko e shoba masim lasot. Aval isha istak bez. Bausha shela mitit sulakan ptimit amuka. Shelmasem machanimigele cut. Ulaye ula lisakem it'sangal a la tzoshivish moa ba itabakasha ita shaila shel shella do omik masimakshim, the mashal, she uh made a dwarium. Kal Shabat, I'm callashabat l Holislam, Baba Yamahadhitubna Zukshim Lord Simlah to Tadam, no, I'masu, finish, mao sim tiksubenem itza, itsa a balamalishto taki at tahini zmarak, meluach, muravayam, nohal kaha bilashabarat, khashita mrak, and you shall let awah matom la marak as kaha ima gi chemaraktaim, azagilo lamatam shakir, uhanef, the lonochhan, uh shabata. We have to get a little bit of a good idea. So then you Afadaman shu a ta'islambioter. Afihad loan karzichemase, as afatta is lo kumaskip the other laila, lo merlo laila tovatsih makar lignov magazin is rak blish again in a tirib lawfriala fihad, afraid, because laf msrakimhrim, asemizhumbayah, rak imzafriala khrim az al tignov, orimbit fisutrazi baya. Avalin bayya vadeshikol a dam chai boven Pashut, a baru, apnim, shelakhet tov, vara, shot sedek, yosha, ve choser Yosh, Vedzum Vakesh, it's a methazotum vakesh ata istim la tzman koleikulot valachaza kitzunichem atta istim, the bobazman mgem ziphonim, uhzari lachayot will beemot. Echpitom nash musakil khzariut, be akasli beemot, kse adam to en sh beetzim en archim muchletim, kenyomanach nohlim tahyot,imut, sardut, we machha, wa lay mhlutanu, as mayach musakazimchhunut biglal sevil shelchotana imusilhosa musariot, beha zlayot minimotin abape, leventuataim, a mukkayoteim, mukha beote, sechel, mina regish, mionion, machin abe, uhleg dumion.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

No, karkad machin shimk machem, manover paraza bichal legasher alab.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

It's a claim. Lorikshaf, I'm shim like a call, bakesha, but via shall shall shoot like uh sichle no shooter. A part of the should I giloui shall I's gullier? Should say, Shagam Tavsh boah dame bof and suni, buchelichot chemisam, buchelichot mitra mitsuit, zgulapni meet, mishmati sreshmi fakabuze loi mahele, israel of pisha ta israel, yesht viapni bit chulom nichauto, shalom yhalo, la gale la mluchhaw nahala khitsunit, zo a chulom gia be metala il hakarata elukut. She zeme shmechyao tzemaholo to shavamit with the ocean weitimhaim. Belechant klali sal dafkabdrota el, gilu shelz gulati soybali dmitub tzu akza kabiota, vi chhazakabyota mikola sfikota ve sha ilot shutaanu kodem, sha shalotha shiwot, smiya shalasholim. A shalot sikhliot elot shibanu, awalzakola kem tzaikid l'hsof et achhaim arbeyoteramukim azakima beyoteran a shema, israelita, shemufyatil koladam Israel, bedora de bufun yuchad, bofin zguli l'hsofitzbalati bit boda, yomit sayy mutil shalama al khamar, lord lo dwim al gimiru, khaledima diomaliti bit'shimil sawa ta nephishwil arachim arachim, betem khashim betem machim. So the dam, can taste, btanishim botapula, bota, bota bota yachim ta'amira, whiyelech ve m sort nafil arachim yomashim khashovim betemhaimj. Baruchim bedorazim yudim elechnat tek meyadut, itnat tekmihaim, yudim michlan. Adam sotayud Israel Bukher Bychyod Bhevra Yudit Beer Israel Mashidoreshimano Akrava Sikun Milchamut Muhammad L sortan efesh alotazihuti yudit mazeli mazumel youth demokratit demokratit nanier shahuditim libsota nefli istakin la krive shilota kushonimikal mini not in democrat baula kazelostam di alma ziritnibiotemit nafam asmayota zutit botakdi mazukanim dea zakutuwa az loka asiknag dir as mahim avahak mihu yudambi yudimana mokyoto mahiyy adut mazavali Azini Otdukma Utmanyot asma Sihli Makhilot me komma mokemhayim abbeoteram dionazo, magash ludi v oto Adam Ludi omardi Tibet and Azure Tibet Okay Sudishabed of Kid Khashuv Fakad Bahir would be Zachem in the Israel Amaloto Ishmasal Apito Ishgam Yudim Bhalaola Arevut me Hudim Lokizahim Ishmaschibok and it's a khutta kila yudit baby shakoma Arevimla? A to ishavam to Arevim layudimali potentiality mecholim liot game zahimsay takes him yudim blikim arvim. Ibn the sakem the kudadu shala parhaim levin Amirapehna Sekhel Ulain Numarakah, the Sashla Hibu Lamik bovel numaratuat lema seimunayata kuma khayat qumithayima kumit the amokmila sechh, amok mina regish, amok mina dymion. Torah geometra is lamajes alaksium de klahuta. Gamaregish mukbal, kamufaim sharegim toe al-moul sechel mukbal. Madame damion and sof priti. Ulayuhalim zambir sha and sof madame d'in sof shot me legno botosif odihalla, odmash odparit la katsh metaregesh mukbal, vaseh mukbal, vadimyun mukbal, kol ilem kilim, kidilak sofmashu ambukar berbayote achaim atzma, ken khabiyatakulash you ma'kdir, kdra sih, mkhali lanu khalak dir kidin khaslan ma sihil, abalhaimun naba shem akibuslanul kuta, khikalukiman sumashab kiin, weikumana mukami sihla, mukami na regeh, mukami na dimun, losha kh mzal zilim ba ba dwimeleh adab, a sehil, varegesh, vadimun kilim, kedil khsuf, eta nikuda mukaz, ethaim sha ta' man khhaim. Valimikah dugman mashalim can philosophi masko ba shailah bauim sha' lokai meadam viagide achulatu khikhli shenihai azulhai, azam nofishwa, ki na khan si yeshkan bewusihli, manya, well beholaq levarer, olaksof itmashik var, uhushata khaim, khayatak yumaki umichula da, but bewusihli shilo. Sikhle chholak levarer, lemaked, vele azbir, it khabya shenhove, vechenal za dir munabashem, khibu la arachim, shalinquadam, khatzed ba musar, tov, veyosha, lumata rave, ve khosar musarid khole, el arachim, shachim la la khbeya kiubit, shlaadam ki adam. Sekh, very shavadimion, ma femita kelim kedil varir, will khsof ithabeya muka. Azeulaik kesikum ekonil, mashdibano, masjdibano kodu.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

Ula zbebet, insecamita dwagam bebayon, aumana kumbebet, iteritma kadu banakuda sh bavana mabanit, shekulanum betembotabatzad, kulanub betemhapsim betem eta elukut, milasim betem lihiotalpia, game benem magin vim, game babanaknu, lefame shim colochim shel, mlom kirimbe benikuda banekuda kimedza, albasof, kula khaimkaha. Bamba ba sebizotashemit makedba nekuda shel echanach musov callsof mi vagrim ma emarchim. Echakhumvhrim ma bete makedashbute metanu.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

Azman echnit bamitan o shavlit na heg vechad la giao la mud na khon de la beru la gia bi akad li bewa nakon, shakwah, ta dharma. Ta dharbah, ta dharba, shhakwah.