The Encore Project Podcast

Make Your Money Last: Smart Retirement Fund Allocation for the 2030 Retiree

The Encore Project Season 4 Episode 14

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By 2030, every baby boomer will be over 65 — and the financial landscape those men are retiring into looks significantly different from the one their parents navigated. Healthcare costs are rising, Social Security faces uncertainty, and market volatility has become a permanent feature of investment life. For senior men approaching or already in this window, retirement fund allocation — how you distribute your savings across stocks, bonds, and other asset classes — is one of the most consequential decisions you’ll make. In this episode, we walk through what smart 2030 retirement fund allocation actually looks like: how to assess where you stand, how to set realistic income goals, and how to structure your portfolio to balance growth with protection. 

SPEAKER_00

So welcome to today's deep dive. We are talking about the year 2030, which uh if you really look at the data is approaching fast.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it's right around the corner?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And the mission today is to completely demystify this ticking clock. Because by 2030, literally every single baby boomer in America is going to be older than 65.

SPEAKER_01

Right. It is just a staggering demographic cliff.

SPEAKER_00

Trevor Burrus, Jr. It really is. The entire architecture of the economy is going to flip basically from wealth accumulation to wealth extraction.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Exactly. We're talking about tens of millions of people suddenly transitioning, you know, going from paying into the system to drawing down on their savings, hitting up Social Security, and utilizing Medicare at just unprecedented rates.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell And the ripples from that are going to affect everything, right?

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Oh, absolutely. From market liquidity to healthcare inflation, the macroeconomic impacts are massive.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Which means, you know, if your own retirement horizon is zeroing in on that 2030 window, you can't just cross your fingers.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_00

Hoping the markets just behave like they did during the bull runs of the last decade is a really dangerous game. You need a strategy.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell A very specific strategy.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Right. And that is exactly what we are mapping out today. We are relying entirely on a really comprehensive guide put together by the editorial team at the Encore project.

SPEAKER_01

Trevor Burrus They did a phenomenal job with this one.

SPEAKER_00

They really did. They laid out this step-by-step guide on 2030 retirement fund allocation. So think of planning for 2030 like uh packing a suitcase for a long trip. Sound like that. You know the weather is going to drastically change, but you aren't quite sure exactly how or when.

SPEAKER_01

That's a perfect way to look at it because you have a six-year runway right now. It's long enough to make some meaningful adjustments, sure, but short enough that a sudden market correction could just devastate your plans if your risk exposure is wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Right. So before you pack that suitcase, you actually have to take inventory of what you already own.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Step one, you have to hunt down and calculate every single balance you have.

SPEAKER_00

And I don't just mean vaguely knowing you have a 401k out there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01

No, you need a full forensic audit. Because I mean, modern careers are so fragmented now. Nobody works at the same company for 40 years anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Very true. You've probably got uh a trail of orphan 401ks from old jobs.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. Or an old IRA you opened for a tax deduction a decade ago, maybe some restricted stocks or real estate. You have to consolidate.

SPEAKER_00

Establish that baseline.

SPEAKER_01

Right, because you can't allocate a portfolio if you can't see the whole board.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So once you see the board, you have to define the target, the math part. The text gives us the specific formula, uh, the 75% rule.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, the classic benchmark.

SPEAKER_00

Right. So you take your current income, multiply it by 0.75, and boom, that's your target required income for retirement.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. That's math.

SPEAKER_00

But okay, I have to push back on this a little bit. Sure. Let's really unpack this. If you aren't commuting anymore, you aren't buying expensive work clothes, and ideally your mortgage is paid off, shouldn't your expenses drop by way more than 25%?

SPEAKER_01

It sounds totally logical, I know.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Like why is the target still so high?

SPEAKER_01

It's a really common critique. But it's actually the exact reason so many people end up undersaving.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because you're calculating the costs that vanish, right. But you're completely ignoring the velocity of the costs that emerge.

SPEAKER_00

Ah, okay. The text points to life expectancy in healthcare.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. Because of medical advancements, we aren't planning for a 10-year retirement anymore. We are planning for a 20 to 30 year time frame.

SPEAKER_00

30 years is a long time.

SPEAKER_01

It's massive. And during those decades, rising totally unpredictable health care costs will quickly just absorb all those old commuting budgets.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01

Plus, you have 40 extra hours a week to fill, you're traveling, picking up hobbies. That 75% target gives you a necessary buffer.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so we've got our target income calculated. Now we have to figure out the actual vehicles that will generate that income.

SPEAKER_01

The toolbox.

SPEAKER_00

Right, the toolbox and how fast you should drive them based on risk.

SPEAKER_01

Well, age, your financial stability, and honestly your psychology all dictate your risk tolerance.

SPEAKER_00

And the source introduces the 100 minus age rule for this, right?

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. It's a super simple way to determine your stock allocation. You just take the number 100, subtract your current age, and whatever you're left with is the percentage of your portfolio that should be in the stock market.

SPEAKER_00

So if you're 60 today, 100 minus 60 is 40.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. So only 40% stays in high growth, high volatility stocks.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Okay, that makes sense. Now let's break down the actual accounts. The text lays out the 2024 contribution limits.

SPEAKER_01

Which are crucial to maximize right now.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely. So for a 401k, it's $22,500. But if you're over $50, you get that catch-up provision making it $30,000. Right. And for IRAs, it's $6,500 or $7,500 if you're $50 plus. But the real debate is always traditional versus Roth.

SPEAKER_01

Always.

SPEAKER_00

You know, people always use that farming analogy, taxing the seeds versus taxing the harvest.

SPEAKER_01

It's a bit overused.

SPEAKER_00

Totally. I prefer thinking of a traditional IRA as basically getting a tax break on your seeds. Wait, no, let's just stick to the text explanation.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Well, the traditional IRA gives you a tax deduction today. So you invest more upfront, but you pay taxes when you withdraw it in retirement.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Whereas a Roth IRA is like paying the tax up front. There's no immediate deduction, but every single dollar you withdraw later, all the growth is totally tax-free.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Which is incredibly powerful. And you know, speaking of tax-free growth, there's a really fascinating strategic nugget from the research over at the Encore project.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah, the HSA part.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. They highlight the health savings account or HSA. And it's wild how many people misunderstand this account.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell They treat it like a checking account for copays.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. But it's not just for medical bills in the moment.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because of its tax deductibility and its tax-free qualified withdrawals, it is actually a powerful supplementary retirement tool. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00

The triple tax advantage. And the limits for that are $3,850 for individuals, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yep. And $7,750 for families. If you just invest those funds instead of spending them on minor bills, they grow tax-free.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So knowing the account types is just the shell. The really crucial part is what goes inside them, right?

SPEAKER_01

The actual architecture, yes.

SPEAKER_00

We have this six-year countdown to 2030 ticking down. We need to balance growth with capital preservation.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell And the text outlines the big four asset classes for diversification.

SPEAKER_00

Stocks for growth and volatility, bonds for stability, real estate, or REITs for income and appreciation, and cash equivalents for immediate liquidity.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And it heavily stresses the need for geographic and sector diversification too.

SPEAKER_00

So the text gives us a sample conservative allocation for that 2030 target. Let me read it here. 50% bonds, 30% stocks, 10% real estate, and 10% cash equivalents. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01

It's tailored specifically for that short six-year time horizon.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Okay, but here's where it gets really interesting to me.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, lay it on me.

SPEAKER_00

50% bonds and 10% cash. That sounds incredibly safe. Maybe, I don't know, too safe.

SPEAKER_01

Too safe. How so?

SPEAKER_00

Well, if one of the biggest mistakes the text warns us about is neglecting to adjust for inflation, aren't we basically guaranteeing a loss of purchasing power by playing it this conservative?

SPEAKER_01

That is a phenomenal point.

SPEAKER_00

Right, because 30 years of inflation will eat that cash alive.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Oh, absolutely. And you're hitting on the exact tension the text addresses. That's why they say static allocations are dangerous. You have to thread the needle between inflation risk and market volatility.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell So how do we do that?

SPEAKER_01

Well, the text suggests two main strategies. First, target date funds.

SPEAKER_00

Ah, because they automatically adjust.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. They have a glide path. Right now, it might be heavily inequities to fight inflation, but as 2030 gets closer, it mechanically shifts toward bonds and cash to lock in the games. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00

That takes the emotion out of it.

SPEAKER_01

It does. And the second strategy is working with a financial advisor. But not just to pick stocks.

SPEAKER_00

For the behavioral coaching.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. When the market drops 20% right before you retire, your lizard brain screams at you to sell everything. An advisor acts as a firewall.

SPEAKER_00

A firewall against your own panic. I love that. Let's actually look at how this roadmap works in action. The text gives us a case study.

SPEAKER_01

John's case study, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. So John is 62 years old and he has $600,000 in savings. He's aiming for $50,000 a year in retirement income.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell And he decides to use that $50, 30, 10, 10 asset split we just talked about.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell So his money is diversified, but how does he actually get the income out?

SPEAKER_01

He plans a 4% systematic withdrawal rate.

SPEAKER_00

Which means he takes out exactly 4% of his taxable accounts every year, right?

SPEAKER_01

Trevor Burrus Yep. So that's $24,000 initially.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And if that plus Social Security doesn't quite hit his $50,000 goal, he uses his Roth IRA as a backup. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00

Because it's tax-free and won't mess up his tax bracket.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. But the really important part of John's plan is the maintenance.

SPEAKER_00

The rebalancing.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Portfolios drift. If stocks have a great year, suddenly they might be 40% of his portfolio instead of 30%.

SPEAKER_00

And he's exposed to way more risk.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. So he uses a 5% threshold rule. Every six months he checks his accounts. If any asset class drifts by more than 5%, he rebalances.

SPEAKER_00

I always think of that 5% threshold like uh the rumble strips on the side of a highway.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's a great analogy.

SPEAKER_00

You know, you lose focus, your car drifts, and you hit those grooves, and the noise just wakes you up. It forces you to course correct before you drive your portfolio straight into a ditch during a volatile market.

SPEAKER_01

That's exactly how it functions.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It mechanically forces you to sell your winners and buy your losers, which feels terrible in a moment, but it's the only mathematical way to ensure longevity.

SPEAKER_00

And the text mentions you don't even have to do this manually with a spreadsheet.

SPEAKER_01

No, not at all. You can track this drift using apps like Personal Capital or Mint.

SPEAKER_00

Or resources like the SEC's investor.gov.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. It's all about systematically maintaining the machinery.

SPEAKER_00

So bringing it all together, what does this all actually mean for you, the listener? It means today is the day to log into your accounts and check your own allocations.

SPEAKER_01

Don't put it off.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

A 2030 strategy is about assessing your baseline, getting diversified across the right tax-advantaged vehicles, and relying on systematic rebalancing, not emotional reactions.

SPEAKER_01

And I want to leave everyone with a final thought, building on the source material.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_01

The text emphasizes planning for a 20 to 30 year retirement. So if you are targeting 2030, you are essentially planning a financial strategy for a world in 2050 or 2060. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's wild to think about.

SPEAKER_01

Just think about how much the world has changed in the last 30 years. The technology, the markets, how adaptable is your portfolio and honestly your mindset to a future lifestyle we can't even fully picture yet.

SPEAKER_00

That is such a profound way to look at it. You really have to build flexibility into the system today.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we've only just scratched the surface of the brilliant insights provided by the editorial team behind today's deep dive.

SPEAKER_00

There's so much more to dig into.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. You really need to visit the NCORProject.org. The editorial team there has a warm, supportive community, and they have fantastic new content arriving every single week.

SPEAKER_00

It really is a gold mine of information.

SPEAKER_01

It truly is a resource worth returning to as you navigate your own financial journey. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive, and we'll catch you next time.