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401 Channelside Podcast: A Tampa Bay Lightning Fan Podcast
EP. 4 "Hi, My name is Dmitry"
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Stevie Z is back to recap the Calgary (3/22) and Minnesota (3/24) games. There's some talk about the greatness of Kucherov and where he currently stands among Russian NHL players and where he could end up. Stevie carves out some time to have some talk on Darren Raddysh and what his next contract could potentially look like. Stevie Z also gets into Brayden Point's form as of late and why it possibly took him this long to get here. Plus more!
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What is going on, everyone? You are tuning into the 401 Channel Side Podcast, a Tampa Bay Lightning fan podcast, hosted by yours truly, Stevie Z. There is so much I want to cover on this show tonight, so let's get right into it. I want to start by recapping the Western Canada Pacific Northwest trip that the Lightning just got back from on the trip overall, a great road trip. Lightning goes 3-0-1. And I'm gonna give you some numbers before we get into the games. On the power play, 25% 2 for 8. And on the PK, 100% 8 for 8. Now I know what some people are thinking. Look at who they played, they didn't play some of the best teams. It has nothing to do with that. For me, it was more so about how they're playing. Remember, I've said this many a time. This is the NHL. Teams have superstars. They just have good players in general across the league. So I don't care what that team's record is. You can get beaten on any given night. And how the Lightning played on that road trip resembled a lot of what we've seen in the past about them rounding into form at the right time. And it didn't even mean that they had to go out and win. Yes, you wanted them to win because points are at a premium, considering where the division is. Okay, how tight it is in the Atlantic division. But how they were playing and how they were getting those wins was much more important to me. So we'll get into it. Alright, game one, and I'll and I'll breeze through these first three. Game one against Seattle, 6-2 victory. Pretty good game. I thought they broke it open late. They did, solid victory. Vancouver, this game gets broken. I mean, this game just busts wide open in the second period for the Lightning. A little bit sleepy through the first 10 minutes. Lightning get it going later on in the first period. Second period busted wide open, 6-2 victory. Big one against Edmonton on Saturday night. That's a 5-2 win. Vasi performs very well. The whole team shows up for just a primetime game, hockey night in Canada at Edmonton. Cooch takes the scoring lead or the scoring race lead over McDavid for the time being. Guys are getting scrappy, it's getting chippy. Boys answer the bell, leave Edmonton with a big win. Then we get into Calgary on Sunday night, and it was a bit about what you would expect, right? So coming into that game, the Lightning didn't get into their hotel room until about 2:30 a.m. Okay, after the Edmonton game. So there was a delay leaving the airport. And then they've got to go play a game 22 hours after the start of the game in Edmonton. So the game in Edmonton started 8 p.m. Mountain time, and then they were playing Calgary 6 p.m. Mountain time. Alright, so they were already behind the eight ball in terms of circumstance. Okay. Getting into the lineup, Headman is scratched again, and we'll we'll kind of get into that later. Uh same lineup as versus the Edmonton game, but with Johansson in net. Now we all when I say that name, people shudder. Okay, and and and rightfully so. I could understand why he hasn't performed as well as you would like him to as a backup. Now, understand that this was Johansson's what fourth or fifth game since the middle of January. He's been thrusted into some tough positions. You now, as a backup for the Lightning, you understand that knowing who the goalie is for the Lightning, probably, not probably, I think he is the best goalie in the league. Okay, so you just have to know that he's getting a majority of the workload. What you would like is your goalie to perform, I guess, better than what Johansson has, but he did he did well. Okay, so and I'll get into that as as we get into the recap. Calgary came into the game with two straight wins, including a 4-1 win over Florida on Friday night. Uh, for the first goal, point Gonsalves Gensel forced a turnover in the offensive zone with a good four check. Point takes the initial shot. Saved by Cooley. Gonsalvis gets the rebound and feeds it back to McDonough, who shoots and has the puck deflect off their Calgary defender to make it 1-0 with 1235 in the first period. Up to that point when the Lightning first scored, I thought they were just a step behind. They were chasing the game a little bit. Um they kind of get a goal against the run of play here. And then sure enough, as that period goes on, right? Victor Olafson ties it with 335 in the first after Calgary goes to work in Tampa's defensive zone. Olofsen gets into the slot after a pass from Sharon Govich from the corner and he snaps it past Johansson. This was, I mean, he wired that thing past Johansson's ear. No, Johansen wasn't doing much. It was Manoimano. Of course, you'd like Johansson to maybe challenge a little bit better. He looked late on it, but Olofsen wired that bad boy. Uh 23 seconds later, Morgan Frost scores to make it 2-1 after a soft clearance from Mosier. And Tampa was on their heels defending from the neutral zone in, and they get caught. Right? Coronado makes a nice feed to Frost in the slot again after some confusion with defensive coverage. Johansen gets beat over his left shoulder, right? 308 left in the first period. I was a little irritated by those two goals because there it was just like damn it, Johansen, can we get a save on a challenging shot? Now, I understand they were wonderfully placed shots. I won't take credit away from that. But what has happened is that like anytime that there's a challenging shot, you're just kind of fearful that it's going in the net. Right? And and Johansen hasn't really proven to give you the big save. And then later on in the game he does. But up to that point, he hadn't proven it, right, recently. And so it was very frustrating. Uh Hegel gets robbed by Cooley off a rush trance created by Kuchrov with 20 seconds left in the first. You know, Tampa wilted later in that first period. They got sloppy with D-zone coverage, and Calgary had some challenging shots for Johansson to save that he didn't, right? Hence how we got to that 2-1. You get into the middle of the second period. Uh Calgary scores off a rush chance. Blake Coleman brings the puck into the offensive zone, carries to the neutral zone, into Tampa's defensive zone. Three players go after Blake Coleman on one side of the ice, and they leave Michael Backlund all alone. Easy success for Blake Coleman ever. Blake Coleman just slides it over to Michael Backlund, and Backlund has all the time in the world to wind up and blow a slap shot past Johansson up high. I mean, and you're saying, like, damn, like, Johansson didn't even save that. And I get it. Those first three goals, defensively, they didn't help Johansen at all. I think we're getting a little bit spoiled in having Vasi bail this team out, like when they get sloppy with the coverage. You're expecting the same from Johansson and you're not getting it. So it is frustrating. And I understand that sentiment. This one, I mean, this was I just don't even know. Like it wasn't even like it was a clean look. It was Johansson was late again getting in position, and Backland just blew it by him. So 3-1 at that point. 8-13 left in the second period. 3-2 off Radish's 19th goal of the season. He gets two cracks at this point and Gensel and Cooch go to work in the offensive zone. Radish takes a shot, but it gets deflected. The puck gets back out to Mosier, who makes a beautiful cross-size diagonal pass to Cooch, who then finds Radish in the same exact spot he took the first shot from. Radish blows it by Cooley. 3-2. And then this game almost had an opportunity to get out of hand near the end of the second period when the Bolts get a reprieve on a 2-on-1 goal by Blake Coleman. Um, and it gets called back on an offsides challenge, which is just a rare challenge that the Lightning ever win. So a game that would have been 4-2 uh remains 3-2. And then we get into the third period. Up to this point, Cooley is playing really well for Calgary. He's playing really well. And I thought that as the second period went on, right, in comparison to the first, Johansen played better as the second period went on. Because Calgary could have scored some more goals. Um the bolts seemed a bit leggy after the second period, and you know, maybe the circumstance of the travel and getting in late and just an earlier back-to-back might have been wearing on them physically at this point. But still, you would have liked to see Tampa button it up a little bit more in the third period, right? Down one, you have a chance for some points, go and finish it out. The Bolts were still a little bit disorganized with some careless turnovers in their own zone. And Johansen makes a big save on Strome with 15 minutes left in the third period. Just one opportunity that Johansen saves in the third period, where I thought that the third period was Johansson's best period in the net and keeping this game to a point where the lightning could rally. Bolt put back-to-back shifts of sustained pressure in the Ozone. Gord Gurgensen's Homeburg line four checks like crazy with Das Du forcing Coleman back towards his own net. And like this is after about 10 minutes of just the game being of a good flow, right? Nothing major in action happening. But 420 left, Das Du forces Coleman back towards his own net and he forces a turnover. Gord gets the puck from behind the net and finds Pontus Homburg all alone. Makes it 3-3. Homberg scores his career high 10th of the year. And I was happy for Homburg because he said before the season that he felt he could contribute to scoring more goals when he joined Tampa. Sure enough, he's got a career high.
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SPEAKER_00And now, so remember, all those saves from the second and third period that Johansen was making, you know, although he didn't perform well in the first period, I thought that as this game went on, he got better. He made some crucial timely saves. So we get to OT. The Bolts lose the OT face-off. Uh 26 seconds later, Strom ends up beating Johansson after the puck looks like it hits Sorelli. And Johansson tries to stop the puck from trickling in with his glove hand, but he just knocks it down to the ice and it rolls in. Lightning lose 4-3. But you know what? Uh I'll say this.
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SPEAKER_00The Bolts were 2-13-2 after trailing, heading into the third period. Obviously, they're now 2-13-3. Given the circumstance of a nine-day road trip, which was a long road trip, the bolts go 3-0 and 1. 7 out of 8 points on the road trip, as fans will take it. The Bolts will take it. Right? I felt that the process was taking shape for the Bolts. A little more looser in this game than the other three, but I felt that it was to be expected after a quick back-to-back. You know, and here was another interesting thing. There was one power play in that game between Tampa and Calgary. Tampa is first in penalties. Calgary is fourth in penalties, and the lightning got the only power play in the game. Here's a number for you, though. Over this road trip, uh Sorelli, Hegel, and Pooch, 24 points. Or sorry, 27 points over the four-game road trip. Talking about dominating, delivering. Like that is what you want to see as you're rounding into this home stretch here. You're coming into the home stretch, and those guys are getting after it. That's that's good stuff there. So then bolts get home. Bolts get home Tuesday or Monday. They travel Monday. They stay the night out in Calgary, they travel all day Monday. And then they've got to face Minnesota. Minnesota's battling hard. Right? They're third in the central right now. And Minnesota has been a bugaboo for the Lightning for the entire time the Lightning have been a franchise. So Headman out again. Sabron draws in for Bjorkstrand. Early into this game, you know, Lightning get a Lightning have to kill a penalty off uh Sorelli hooking call two minutes into the game. Sure enough, on the same power play at uh 7.32 left in the first period. Matt Zuccarello snaps a power play goal off McDonough, gets deflected. And this was all started off of just a terrible play by Brandon Hagel. Just he turns back into his own zone, turns the puck over. Just a stupid play. And the Wild take advantage of it. 1-0. So the Wild take the early lead, and the Wild are like 36 and something, you know, when scoring first. Like 30 wins when scoring first. So that was a little concerning. That's 17-10. Corey Perry and Michael McCarran go get at it behind the net. Corey Perry gets bloodied. He gets popped pretty good. Right? But he was trying to send a message to wake up because the Bolts did not start this game well at all. And you know what? The Lightning get a power play up uh with 1450 left. And I thought that Kuch Roff was looking to shoot earlier. They're getting some good looks. But just it still wasn't good enough from those first 10 minutes. Really, the first 15 minutes almost it felt like the lightning had three shots through 14 minutes. And then near the end of the period, right, Tampa get finally gets a good, solid, like three minutes of play. Just consistent. Like, okay, they're getting into the flow of the game. Hegel takes an unsportsman-like penalty. Right, free app and at Kelly Sutherland. And we'll get to him in a little bit. Power play starts. Wilde ends up scoring off a Brock Faber shot. Looks like he gets tipped, but it doesn't. It's a seeing eye shot that hits off the top of Vasi's pad and goes into the net. Right. 2-0. Then we get a uh in Sabron and Felino fight near the end of the first period. This is probably resulting from Sabron roughing up Quinn Hughes after the play, uh, after a play. So they they get a little tilted center ice. Sabron leaves cut up. But you know what? Sabron skates past the bench and he's going to the locker room, said something to the bench. John Cooper loves it. Giving knuckles to Sabron and Perry for waking these guys up. Because they look like they were kind of sleepwalking through the first period. So it does wake the Lightning up. Right? Lightning ended up getting a goal back on a power play with 14.25 left in the second. Radish to Hegel on the half wall. Hagel fakes a shot as he as he skates down near the net. Fakes a shot and finds point the bumper. Point snaps hit past Gustafson. 2-1. And then we have a big moment here, right? Bolts have to kill a five-on-three. But the Lightning just gave up another killer goal with 10-09 left in the second. On a rush chance. On the shot, but it just bounces and then bounces over Vasi's pad into the far corner. 3-1. 7-33 left in the second. Gensel gets his 300th career goal on his 32 on 32nd on the season. He gets tripped up by Jonas Brodeen in front of the net and scores off his knees. Radish gets another assist, right? 63 points. So 3-2 with 7.33 left in the second. And then the Lightning tie it less than three minutes left, or less than three minutes later on the power play. Darren Radish, absolute bomb. 3-3 with 441. Gets his third point of the night. 64th point on the season. His 20th goal of the season. Darren Raddish becomes the third lightning defenseman in team history to score 20 goals. The other two being Victor Hetman and Dan Boyle. Moving on, Minnesota ends up scoring later, late in the second period, and it gets waived off for goaltender interference. So McCarran gets the scramble play in front, ends up putting it in the net, but got waived off because Bobby Brink absolutely bench pressed Darren Radish into Vasi. Vasi can't play the puck. They score. They would have made it 4-3. Minnesota Wild fans were up in arms on the socials. Up in arms. Thought that Darren Raddish sold it. I think that they're probably more so upset about they gave up a 3-1 lead. And even after the game, Michael McCarron and Bobby Brink were talking about how Darren Radish is 6'8 and he went down like a 5'4 player. I mean, that doesn't like you don't have to be in that situation if you just scroll on your fucking 5-1-3. So look at the end of the second period, I thought it was a great response by the Bolts. Great response by the Bolts. Tie it up, they found their legs. This was like, okay. That second period was what you wanted to see from the Bolts that you would hope they would have started with. But once again, a little circumstantial disadvantage, that's fine. Getting into this third period, I thought that the third period was a in although there wasn't many goals, it was just good, consistent, smart hockey. There wasn't a lot of disorganized play by the lightning. There wasn't a lot of bad. Puck decisions. It was just let's be smart with the puck. Manage the game. Once again, push when we need to, absorb pressure when we need to. The lightning get a bounce with just under three minutes left. Bassey gets the puck to Das Du. Das Du skates it up and fires it behind the net of the Minnesota Wild. Gustafson goes to play the puck, and the puck goes in between his legs. And guess who gets it? Eric Chernak gets the carom off the board that falls into the blue paint and smashes the puck into the net, breaking the camera. I mean, talk about a bounce. I don't think the lightning have had a bounce like that all season, and maybe that's recency bias. I can't think of a bounce like that that the Lightning have had all season. 4-3. Furnett gets a second of the season. Vasi gets an assist. Lightning make it 5-3 with 118 on an empty net power play goal. Multiple wall players falling all over the ice, trying to stop that empty netter. And then with 23 seconds left, Homebird gets his 11th on the season after getting tripped up by Brock Faber to try to deny a goal. The Lightning end up winning 6-3. I don't think it was a 6-3 game. I was honestly preparing for overtime. Uh absolutely. It was a game about that said process, down 2-0 off some unfortunate bounces. They had every reason to pack it in. Corey Perry, Scott Sabron, send message to the bench. Boys pick it up. I thought they get a well-deserved win. And then if you believe in some funky numbers or whatever, on the day Levante David retires, the buck, uh, the bolt score. What equates to a touchdown and six goals. So I don't know if there's any symmetry there. I just thought that was kind of cool. So looking forward, the Minnesota game was the first of a seven-game home stretch for the Bolts. Right, with the Bolts playing the Seattle Kraken on Thursday night. Then they play in a in a one o'clock matinee on Saturday. And then follow it up with the return of Steven Stamkos and the Nashville Predators on Sunday at 5 p.m. I would expect that all three of those games will provide a significant challenge. Uh Seattle, I'm sure, would like to avenge what happened at their rank just last week. And of course, they're still battling for a playoff spot. So I would expect them to come in with some urgency, knowing that their opportunity to claim a playoff spot is uh dwindling with the amount of games left that they have. So it'll be interesting to see what that game turns out to be like on Thursday night. Saturday is gonna be a big one. That's it, that's a divisional game. The Sens are playing, I don't know if they're playing out of their mind, but to me, they are playing some impressive hockey right now. No Shabbat after he gets injured off a cross check by JT Miller against the Rangers. Jake Sanderson has been hurt for a little bit. And somehow they've they've worked their way to the second wild card after 71 games played. I don't think they've been in a playoff position since like December. Don't quote me on that. Um I I don't I don't think they've been in a position to be in a playoff spot since then. And they have battled back that game against Detroit that they they beat Detroit, what, 3, what, 5, 5-1, I think it was? 3-1. Let me check the score. Because I thought if they won that game, sorry, they won 3-2. Where am I getting my numbers from? They won 3-2. The fact that they won that game with who they had out, and Detroit had Larkin coming back, and how the Sens are playing right now, so it's so impressive. It's like Columbus. Like they are finding ways to win, and if they get in, you're getting hot at the right time. Like, who knows what they can do? I'm not saying they'll make some noise, but they're not gonna be an easy out. And on the flip side of that, Detroit again, another meltdown in March through for the third year in a row. Oh man, I mean, listen, uh, obviously I'm not a Detroit fan, but is Stevie Y's job on the line here if they don't make the playoffs? What is he in six, seven years in at this point? I could forgive the the first three, I could get it, the first three, four years, I could understand there was a let there was a mess left by Ken Holland. You're trying to clean it up. I can absolutely understand that. Now we're getting to a point where you're three years in and you've collapsed every year at during this time of year. And it's not like Stevie Y has made any significant moves at the trade deadline to give this team a boost. Dylan Larkin criticized that last year. They didn't do anything this year that was of note again. What do they get? Justin Falk. I mean, that's not really a needle mover for the team who's trying to get over the hump and make the playoffs. They have fallen out of the wild card. This was a team that was what second or third in the division? What going into the going into the Olympic break? Now they are they're one point out. It's tight. But how they're playing right now, I mean, they've lost two in a row. How they've played as of late just leads me to believe that it's it's not looking good for them. They can still get in, but they're five and five over their last ten. Meanwhile, Ottawa's eight and two over their last ten. I I mean, I'll tell you what, I'm the way that I'm seeing it, I'm liking Ottawa's chances to get into that second wild card or that first wild card and keep it the way that they're playing compared to Detroit. And then Sunday night, Nashville, they're in the second wild card in the West. Um 34 wins, 28 losses, 9 OT losses, 77 points. They're on a five-game winning streak right now. I don't know how they're getting it done, but they're getting it done. So that'll be fun. You know who's gonna be a net for the lightning, so just hold on to your ass because that'll be a fun ride, because you never know what you're gonna get. So, and listen, I hate to shit on a guy like Johansson. Like, he's he's a backup on a team that was under a cat crunch and he's been pretty serviceable. Just the statistics for him don't look very good. And the fact that his last four starts, he's given up what 23 goals. And I get defensively, they don't really help him with some of that, but still, man, I mean, sometimes you're just gonna have to bail the team out. It can't be, it cannot be a feeling of whenever the backup goaltender starts, it's an automatic like loss. You don't want to feel that way. And unfortunately, once again, a little bit of recency bias. I think Tav Bay Lightning fans, and I'm obviously generalizing, but ones that I've seen and interacted with, seem to think that it's an automatic loss when Johansen is in net. And I think that defensively they can help him out a little bit. They know that he's gonna be in net, so button it up defensively, like kind of clog the middle, take away some of those shots, keep teams to the outside, defense first, then worry about offense second with him in the net. Because if you get an odd man rush, often he's probably not gonna make the stop, at least as of late. All right, so that'll be interesting. So that's what it looks like for the rest of this week. I kind of want to get into what's what's going on with headman, and I'm gonna just say this. Listen, Victor Headman is the team announced that he's taken a leave of absent for personal reasons. We're not gonna speculate at all. I I don't want to do that. I don't think that's fair to him, not as a hockey player, but as a man. Like you just don't know what he's going through. I did find it a little bit odd, right? Like he he went, he left the game against Vancouver, what, after the first period? Didn't return. They said it was illness, and you're like, that's so okay. You're like, okay, illness, that's fine. And then he didn't play against Edmonton, and it was thinking, okay, day-to-day, and then he didn't play against Calgary, and then he didn't play against Minnesota, and you're thinking, wow, this is some illness, right? Like maybe he's really sick, you know, and because it's not like Victor Edmund to miss games if he's healthy, right? Like I thought of this earlier, like the competitive nature of that guy. I was in the arena for game six against Colorado when the Lightning lost the Stanley Cup final. And I remember my I was just as the game was winding down, how animated Victor Hedman was as the game was winding down, like there was a I don't know if it was the puck win out of play, or if it should have been an icing, Colorado iced the puck, and the I think that's what it was, and the referees called it off, and Victor Hedman was livid. This was a team who had three straight finals runs and they were competing to the last moment. And I thought of Victor Hedman, and I'm thinking, like, man, he's sick. If he's healthy, like if he's healthy, there's no way he's missing. And then obviously you you get some news like this, and I gotta be honest, like it's it's sad. You you don't know what it's you don't know what it is, and I don't want to get into what it could be. And I don't care if it's you know, it doesn't matter if it's hockey, health, outside hockey, whatever it is. You just hope that he's gonna be okay because he's got a life outside of hockey, he's got a wife and children, and what's most important is that whatever it be physically or mentally or whatever the deal is, you just want him to be okay because there is this goes beyond the game, right? And you never want to see somebody that you root for, like we root for him in his job, yes. But remember what I said a few episodes back about what he's been to this community, a stalwart and a fixture in this community, and what he's done with the Humane Society, and how he's made Tampa his home. You just you hate to see it for somebody like that who's a public figure, and anybody really, it just happens to be that he's a public figure, right? So obviously, our hearts, I'm sure, as a collective, go out to Victor Hedman and and his family and whatever it is that he's going through, right? But we'll we'll leave it at that. Let's talk about Kucharov. Right? So the name of this episode is Hi, my name is Dmitri. If you uh know, if you know a little backstory, right? When Nikita Kucharov scored his very first goal against Hank Lundquist, Rick Peckham didn't know his name and called him Dmitri Kucharov. I can guarantee you nobody's making that mistake anymore, right? I want to talk about this run of points, and then I want to follow it up with where he currently stands among the Russian greats, great NHL players, and where he'll finish. Right, because this is it's really interesting to me. Okay. So, and you don't even know where to like where do you go with the run of points? Okay, because I've seen two ridiculous statistics. Right, so over the last 33 games, he's got 75 points. Okay, this is the most in a 33-game stretch since Mario Lemieux in 96 and 97. Okay, here's another statistic. The NHL put it out. Nikita Kuchov, the most points in a 50-game span since 2000, 104. And then not to mention, he also passed Paul Coffee and Bobby Orr for the second most consecutive 80 assist seasons in NHL history. The only player with more is Wayne Gretzky. I mean, this is where we are with Nikita Kuchov. This guy is building a case, and and gosh, this is not a hot take, so don't slaughter me for it. But I I just I'm saying this because I want to create discussion, and I feel like it's really, it's it's a re it it could be hot button in the future. Is he building a case to end up being the greatest Russian hockey player of all time? Sit on that for a second. Is he doing it? Because I'm looking at it right now. Right? Here's a stat for you. Another one. He's the eighth player in NHL history to record at least four seasons of 120 plus points. The others? Gwen Gretzky with 14, Mario Lemie with eight, Marcel Dion with six, Phil Esposito, founder of the Tampa Bay Lightning with six, Guy Lafleur with five, Jagger with four, Bobby Orr with four. What do you notice as the common denominator here? Kucharoff's name is being listed amongst the all-time greats. All these lists. He's his name is on these lists. And it's becoming like a nightly thing at this point. I mean, what like what do you even what do you even say? Like, I'm in awe of it. Like a hundred point seasons by Russian players. Okay. Kuchrov. Kutrov has six of them. 144, 128, 121, 118, or now 120, right? 113, 100. The next the next player is Ovechkin with four. Malkin then with three. McGilney with two, Fedorov with two, Burrey with two, Panarin with one, Kaprasov with one. Listen, I think Ovechkin is gonna go down as the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. By far. It's not even close. He's got the goals, he's got over 900 goals in the regular season, over a thousand, with probably with playoffs as well. Ovi is the GOAT goal scorer, absolutely. But I I have no problem in sitting down and making a case for Cooch. I I've got no problem for doing that. I mean, let's look at it, right? Since he got his first 100-point season in 2017-2018, so he got 100 points that season. 2018, 2019, 128, and then we had two shortened seasons where he got 85 and 60 or 85 and 68 games, and then he didn't play the 2021 season, regular season. 2021, 2022 played 47 games, but got 69 points. And the last four years, he's had 100 points, right? 22, 23, 113, 23, 24, 144, 24, 25, 121. Now he's already at 120 with 12 games left to play. He's got 1,114 points in his career. I mean, this is where we're at right now. I I think if you're asking me where Kutrov is amongst the greats of Russian players, he's number two. I I think. If if you I mean you just has Malkin ever been named amongst these guys that Kutrov is being named with right now? Malkin's a great player too, boy. But look at what Kucharov is doing. And and and here's the part, here's how I know, how I know how great Nikita Kucharov is. Do you hear this bullshit that on on Jeff Merrick's show about an NHL awards voter told Jeff Merrick that he won't vote for Kucharov for heart because Kutaroff had a two and a half week break during the Olympics while everyone else was playing high-level hockey and came back tired. Kutaroff got a chance to refresh himself. What kind of shit is that? Like, like, here's where we're at now is some people in hockey media are doing Olympic gold medal-worthy mental gymnastics to try to discredit Nikita Kucharov. And Kucharov is just going to work. Like, you know what, and Kucharov doesn't really say anything about it. I I found this I found this so interesting. Right, I believe it was on hockey night and Canada, or it wasn't the Calgary game, I saw it actually. And Kutrov talked about his approach. And he says, I know every D man, his best ability, and where he's not comfortable. I can put the puck in a place where he's weak. For me, I had to learn. I had to watch the clips. Some guys go out drinking. I just want to watch shifts. That guy's a cold-blooded killer on the ice. Are you kidding me? And you don't want to vote for him for the heart because of a political something that has nothing to do with it. This is that's geopolitics. Kudrov has no control over that, the fact that Russia cannot play in the Olympics. So you're gonna punish him because of that. You might as well just say, I hate the guy because he's Russian. Like it's it's like I'm sorry, I'm not one for implications, but you might as well just come out and say it. If you're gonna make a statement like that, either you are just saying that for the sake of you're gonna you wanna be the guy who gets 15 minutes of fame that no one knows, I guess, in a sense, like kind of hide behind that, and and Jeff Merrick is your mouthpiece, or you really feel that way. And if you really feel that way, you're an idiot. I'm sorry. That's terrible. That's terrible. To say that, that's not even like there's no that there's no validity to that. Other than the fact that, okay, yeah, he got a two-week break. That's not his fault. That's not his fault. You don't think he'd want to go play in the Olympics right now? So you're gonna punish him because of a geopolitical thing? Give me a break. Give me a break. Look what he's doing on a nightly basis. And you wanna you wanna punish him because he didn't get to play in the Olympics? I mean, the narrative spin is amazing when it comes to Kuturoff. I'm telling you, it does my head in. I've seen Kuturoff get labeled as a dirty player, he's got a bad attitude. I mean, he plays on it. A super team. The all-star game antics. The amount of reasons that people give for not wanting to admit that Kutrov, that's at least not all people, but some people give for not wanting to admit that Kucharov is a great player. It, I mean, I like I said, it is Olympic worthy. It is gold medal worthy mental gymnastics that some people in hockey media do to discredit Nikita Kuchoff. I mean, you're getting me this guy is getting mentioned, like I said, along the lights, Gretzky, Lemieux. And he just keeps getting mentioned along those guys lately. Uh I mean, I'm not really sure what more Kuchrov has to do to just get the full on respect that he deserves. I mean, McKinnon gets it. I mean, David gets it. Kuturoff should get it as well. It's okay that he's not Canadian and that he's like he's one of the best players in the league and will go down as one of the greatest players of all time. That's okay. I I feel like people are afraid to admit that, though. And I just don't know why. And it's crazy too, because going back to the Ovi thing, right? It is just about conjecture and dialogue and to get people thinking. But think about how Obi is with the media and the reception that he gets. People love Ovi. And I I love Obi too. He's he's been great, he's been a great ambassador for this game, and he's a generational player. And that's overstating the obvious. He's so good with the media, the media love him. He's Ovi, he's fun. Back when he was younger, hockey traditionalist, like Don Cherry, hated all the shit that he would do. But it was good for the game. He brought personality, and that's okay. Khuchev is the polar opposite with the media, and I think that that has a lot to do with it, too. He doesn't do many interviews, he's kind of standoffish with the media. He just wants to go to work, right? Like, you you think of the uh the quote, your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying. I can I I I envision Kucharov. Because all Kutaroff does is just put the work in, and he gets the results. And and the thing is, is like it's it's not that Kucharov is gonna be greater than Obi, right? They because they're they're not comparable because they played two different games, but when you're looking at you look at raw numbers and what it could be, I mean, if you're looking at point totals alone, Cooch could have a chance. Right? He could. Let's say Ovi capped out at 1700 points. If and if Cooch's game ages well, like I think it it will, because he relies on positioning and hockey smarts and staying out of uh high traffic areas to take some of those shots, those body shots and things like that. I don't see why he couldn't get to that Ovi point total. But we'll see, guys. I mean, at the end of the day, those are two great players. Ovi is gonna go down as one of the, he is one of the greatest players of all time. His goal scoring numbers do that. Um but not to be viral or anything like that. If it wasn't for the goals, is Ovi a one-trick pony? Well, shoot me, you know, like it it's it's a serious question, right? I don't and I and that's not to discredit anything that he's done, right? He that's the way he plays the game. He shoots, he scores, and he scored a lot. Cooch plays the game differently. He's a playmaker. We have seen Nikita Kuchoff pass out of open shots. So to to make he'd rather make a nice pass than to score a goal. And what's hilarious about that is like the guy's still racking up 40, 40 goals a season, like it's nothing. But yeah, I I hope I hope some of you guys disagree with me on that. And I hope you say I'm an idiot for saying that, because that's good. It means it's it's thought provoking, it's meant to be thought-provoking. It's meant to get you to think, to look up numbers, to compare, to think about how Ovi plays, how Cooch plays, think about where those two are taking the game for Russian players. Russian players for the longest time have this stigma about them that they won't come over. How will they fare? Because they would just stay in Russia. Ovi came over, Malkin came over, Cooch came over. One, two, three, the three, the easily the three greatest Russian players of this generation and potentially all time. At least in our living time. So yeah, I I just I wanted to I wanted to get that out. And and hopefully you guys reach out to me at on x at 401 underscore stevz. Let's talk about it. That that's that's good to talk about. That's what I want. Right? The next thing I want to get into, Darren Radish. Look, I I I have said this many a time. You gotta be wary of the one-hit wonder and buyer beware on the next contract. The the flip side of that is is this rep can can Darren Raddish replicate this? Let's say he gets that contract, right? And and I've seen I have seen the likes of a contract mentioned for Darren Raddish in the range of six by six, right? Something along those lines, according to David Pagnota. I mean, you think about the cap going up? Is it that bad if he gets that? The thing is, like uh people have uh a qualm, an issue with the fact that he's 30 years old and he's a late bloomer. Look, that is a little bit concerning, right? People are saying you gotta resign him at any cost. I'm saying just back away from the ledge a little bit up until this year, right? And I'm not saying that Darren Radish hasn't earned this, right? But nobody saw this coming. Nobody saw this coming. Darren Radish played 73 games last year, had six goals, 31 assists, 37 points. The year before that, 23-24, played 82 games with the lightning, and this was his first full year with the lightning, right? Six goals, 27 assists, 33 points. The year before that, 22-23, he split time. And this was his breakout year in the AHL. This was his breakout year. He was 25 years old at the time. Was he? He's 30 this year, 29. 26. 26, 27, had a breakout year in the AHL. He finally got past 30 points in his second year with the crunch as a professional hockey player when he had 51 points in 50 games in 22-23. And that earned him the call-up. He was an AHL All-Star. And he struggled initially to make that transition to the NHL, right? And he hadn't really gotten an opportunity over the last two years because Victor Headman was doing what he was doing. And now he got an elevated role this year because of obviously Hedman's been out and just he has developed wonderful chemistry with Mosier. And that's another thing, too, that would lead me to believe that he might be a priority signing for the Lightning in the offseason, is that you can have a solidified first pair. I'm not sure six by six is all that bad. Put the cap going up. You know, look at Darren Radish's year. 20 goals, 10 on the power play. Tied for third most by a Boltz Demon. I mentioned that earlier. Tied with Hedman and Dan Boyle. One more point, and he moves into a fifth place tie with Roman Hammerlick for the single season most points by a D-man in Boltz history. Headman has the single season record with 85. I don't know if he'll get to that. But I do think that he will break the record for most goals by a lightning defenseman in like single season history. I do think that he'll get that. Because right now, he just he doesn't seem to miss right now. I mean, he's got a hell of a shot. And my thing was, could Darren Radish replicate this coming back from the post-Olympic break? I wasn't sure. After the Edmonton game, I saw the stat, 18 points and 18 games, and it's like he's still hot. He's still hot. You know, and that's what I wanted to see. Is he gonna stay hot? I I am still a little bit cautious about the term on the contract. You know, is it but if that's what it's gonna cost, if he keeps performing at this level, and you don't know if it's gonna be able to be replicated, but maybe he's just one of those cases of being a late bloomer. You know, Darren Radish doesn't have to put up 60, 70 points every year as a defenseman. Right? He doesn't. Like if he's got that chemistry with Mosure, he's got that bomb of a shot, and he plays well and he fits nicely with the team in those first pair minutes, hey. I mean, by all means, six by six is pretty good then. Because what you've locked up, you've locked up your top pair. That's what 6'8, 6'8, 7, 5, and and Mosier, and then 6 million or the likes of that, and Darren Radish, that's your first pair. That's that's pretty damn good. So we'll see where that goes. We'll see where that goes. Let's talk about two other defensemen real quick. We're gonna round this. We're gonna round this out. I wanna I want to talk about Dasteu Lilleberg. I want to talk about Braden Point. And we'll do a little housekeeping here. Um Dasteu and Lilleberg as a D-pair. I like that third pair a lot. A lot. Like I've said previous, it's the third most utilized D-pair by John Cooper this year. Right? In 31 games this year. They've played 321 minutes at all strengths. Okay. On the ice together, 152 shots for, 133 shots allowed, 16 goals for, 13 allowed, 149 scoring chances for, 123 scoring chances against. Here's why I appreciate them as a third pair. They're not flashy. I said this in my post-game reaction versus Emerson, they're not flashy. You're not asking them to be flashy. You're asking them to be simple and effective. People get hung up on oh well the third pair this and the third pair of that. I don't what do you guys want out of a third pair defenseman? Seriously. I mean, what do you guys want out of that? Listen, the lightning are very good at this. And we'll get into this as we move along into the offseason and things like that, but the lightning are very good at unearthing players that have kind of slipped beyond everybody's radar. They bring them in and say, This is your role. I don't need you to do anything above this. If you do it, great. But you cannot do less than this at a high level, of course. But STU's 27 years old. Right, I mentioned that. Stu's 27 years old. The guy's been a pro-Nockey. Just because it hasn't been at the NHL level doesn't mean he doesn't have experience playing. 22 points this year. He's got four goals and 18 assists. And he's predominantly been on the third pair. He's played 58 games. Now, Lilleberg, 38 games this year, six points. Last year, he had 19 points, one goal, 18 assists, played 78 games, I believe. But you're not looking for those guys to get points. What you're looking for is obviously to prevent other teams from getting points, but you're looking for guys who can eat 15 to 18 minutes a night, contribute, be solid defensively in their own zone, and just solidify the defense pairings. Round it out. I like that pairing a lot. Like, Lilleberg made a play against Minnesota. I think it was in the second period. It was along the nearboard near the bench. He made a play along the wall where he passed it to himself, shimmied off the Minnesota Wild player, and retrieved the puck. Obviously, I'm not doing a good job of explaining it. But there was an element of skill that we had and confidence that we hadn't seen in Lilleberg. That when those two are on the ice together, they are just, there's a chemistry, there's a simplicity, there's an effectiveness that I appreciate about their game. We've got the guys who can the two-way guy in Mosier and the hot hand in scoring right now in Radish. We've got to shut down Pear and McDonald and Chernack. Destu and Lilleberg are doing the job, I think. And I really hope, you know, like I said, it's unfortunate what's happened with Hedy, but that these pairs right now, God willing, everybody stays healthy. That these are the pairs that the lightning make it in the playoffs that we're rolling with. And you get back Crozier, you get back Carlisle as they work their way off injury. And you just like when you have those two with headmen, you got nine defensemen. You know, and people wanted the lightning to trade for a right-handed defenseman or another defenseman. But the thing is, is they already had nine on the roster. You just you you risk if you trade for somebody, you risk bringing them in, and they have to develop chemistry with the group and kind of fit in rather than you've already got guys who know their role, they're not going to do more than that, they're not gonna do less than that. They know the standard, they're just gonna try to abide and live up to that. Let's talk about Braden Point here, right? Uh Old breakdown. Always a wonderful participant and someone I love to interact with on X. And he asks about Braden Point. He says that he's looked much, much improved from the beginning of the season. What do I think was plaguing him early on? What do I notice different about his game now? Has it always been the same? Just catching breaks. Look, so here's where we are with Braden Point. He's played 52 games this year. He's got 17 goals and 46 points. Now I think Braden Point's season can really be divided up into three parts. Granted that he stays healthy for the remainder of this season. So from the start of the season to when he first got injured on November 22nd versus Washington, he had 11 points in those 21 games. From when he got healthy again, so he missed eight games from that day, November 22nd, until December 8th, when they played Toronto. Okay, so from that Toronto game on December 8th to the Philadelphia game on January 12th, he had 19 points in 16 games, and he looked a little bit more like himself. And then from when he got injured against Philly, he missed 11 games. So and the Olympics. From January 13th to February 25th, when he returned again against Toronto. And up to date, he has 16 points in 15 games. So looking at his season and how it's gone. For me, he got off to the slow start. And it was just so unlike him. And I guess it caught all of us off guard as Lightning fans because we are just so used to seeing our guys out of the gate go, go, go. And it wasn't happening for Braden Point. He was struggling to score. I mean, he had three goals. In that that's those first 21 games, he had three goals, 11 points. Like, it just wasn't like him. I think he was a little bit snake-bitten. I think he was getting to the right places. I think also, like, on the power play, teams were taking away the the shot and the bumper. Right, like teams were dead set on stopping that early on. Like it almost seemed as if that was the game plan to defend the lightning on the power play. We're gonna give Kuchoff all the time in the world, but we're gonna take away his favorite option at Braden Point. Because we know that they don't have a threat on the other side to Bjork, like in Bjorkstrand. Sorry, I don't wanna I don't want Bjorkstrand to catch a stray there, but we'll just call it what it is. And we don't know about Darren Radish yet. So because Victor Hedden was still with Power Play One at the time, right early on in the season. So I think early on in the season, a lot of it had to do with how teams were defending Braden Point. Because Braden Point just kind of maneuvers into those areas and it is able to get those goals net front and in the bumper and the slot areas. And it just didn't seem like there was a lot of space for him on the ice. Then after he got injured that first time against Washington and he missed those eight games, and he returned for, I guess, that second stretch of games, those 16 games where he had 19 points, we began to see some of the brain point that we were used to seeing. It still wasn't full go, but he had 19 points in those 16 games, and it's like, okay, he's heating up. And then he he gets injured during that Philly game, and you're saying, no way. He was just heating up. We were just getting back to the brain point that we wanted to see. He's on he was named to Team Canada for the Olympics. He ends up missing the Olympics. Stays, I guess, back in Tampa and does rehab or whatever. Gets back for the Toronto game the 25th, and then he's just been above a point per game pace since. I think we have to kind of understand, and this, and this has been really for a lot of our players this year, it has just been a weird season in terms of health for the Lightning. And I would say this resilience as well for how guys have stepped up this year. Um you just think about it, like Nick Paul has played 40 games, he's got six goals. Nick Paul has pretty much played almost every game since he's been with Tampa. Give or take a few with some injuries or whatever. He's played 40 games. We the lightning have played 70 already. Brain Point, what, 52 games? Bolts have played 70 already. You just think about it, like when your season is chopped up like that, if you already get off to a slow start that you're not accustomed to, and then you get injured, and you are not able to be on the ice, and anytime you get on the ice with your team, you just feel like you're a step behind, and it kind of looks like it, and you're not contributing in the way that you want to contribute, probably messes with you mentally a little bit. Like, just think about it. Like, think about it. Like, Nick Paul hasn't been able to be as effective as we know him to be because he's been injured. Brain Point, Headman. Like, think, like, think about that. All the all three of those guys, their seasons have been chopped up by injury, and it's limited their effectiveness and their contribution. And I'll reiterate, we are just so used to seeing a player like Braden Point from the off. They're going. And we hadn't really seen him struggle like this to start the season. So, is it an anomaly? An anomaly? I I think so. Because we're starting to see the Braden Point that we know. He makes such a difference in just in how the lightning play. He provides an element of puck carrying that I'm we have a lot of it on our team, but he just provides that threat that is so evident on the power play, five-on-five, his puck carrying ability, like the explosive nature in which he carries the puck. No, it's not like McDavid, it's not like McKinnon, but it's something similar to that that we have on the Tampa Bay Lightning. It is such an added benefit, and I just think that due to the nature of him missing time, it's just limited his ability to be effective. Now he's getting back to what we know him to be, and that bodes really well. Granted, the lightning make the playoffs. You just think about how this team has been able to respond all year. Guys have been in and out of the lineup, look at where they are. We've got 92 points. Think about the amount of players that have been in and out of this lineup this year, and what they've been able to do. Huh. It's uh it's beyond impressive the the work that John Cooper has had been able to do and and the coaching staff. And the players too. That's a culture thing. Guys are just in and out of the lineup, some fill in, they get through a little rough patch, and then they start excelling. It's unique. It really is. And I think that it was just a rough patch for Braden Point. I think he's rounding into form. You know, I can't imagine what it'd be like if Kuch Rock got off to a slow start like that. Could you imagine the meltdown? But luckily he hasn't had that. Alright, one more thing here, a talking point from the Minnesota game. I just wanted to make it his own separate deal. What the hell is Kelly Sutherland's problem with the Tampa Bay Lightning? Listen, the more as I do this, right, maybe the more you'll realize I don't like to there are three there are three entities that I don't like to blame. I try not to blame unless it's blatantly obvious. I don't like to blame the head coach unless it's blatantly obvious. I don't like to blame the goalies if I can stand it. Obviously, I've been on Johansson's head a little bit, but like that's just because the evidence is there for me to say something about it. And I don't like to blame referees. You know, um, and I kind of learned this at a younger age. I learned it the hard way too. It was actually in the 2015 Stanley Cup Finals when the Lightning were 14-15 finals, and the Lightning lost to Chicago. And I remember just bitching to my dad. I thought, oh, these refs are terrible. Look at how they're helping the black hops in the game, flinching game. We didn't get any, like, no significant power plays. And my dad said they deserve to win the game. And he was right, they did. They deserve to win the cup. Can't blame the refs. Because I felt like that was such an easy cop out. And the other part of it too is like refs are human, right? They're gonna make mistakes. There's an element of human error, right? If any of you know Tony Dundre, he didn't like to blame the refs either. I know that's football, but he just he humanized the referee. And I think as fans, we do a very good job of dehumanizing referees, and thinking that they're always out to get our teams. But watching the game last night, like Kelly Sutherland with like he called the hooking on Sorelli. It was a hook. I thought it was soft, though, for the first goal. The second one that he like, we didn't even know what it was on Hegel, the unsportsman like, and and here's what I'll say about it. I said it after the Buffalo game, Hegel has to control his emotions. But come on, man. Like, he was upset about he didn't get a call. And maybe I don't know what he said, but I'm sure he's gotta have heard worse. Like, I don't think I ever see John Cooper as animated towards a referee outside of Wes McCaulay, who that's another one, who like he he gets so animated when Kelly Sutherland is calling Boltz games because he's looking for an answer. Kelly Sutherland's not giving it to him, he just wants an explanation. And I I just like anytime I see Kelly Sutherland refing a lightning game, I'm like, oh gosh, this guy is here to be the main character tonight. It's all about him. Like, Ternak scores that goal. Turnak scores that goal. Kelly Sutherland is right behind the net and waves it off. Kelly, you were willing to blow your whistle for every damn thing prior to that. If it wasn't for John Cooper challenging for goaltender interference on uh brink, for the cross check to Radish, that goal would have stood. Kelly Sutherland blowing his whistle for that. I hate to pick on refs, right? But I mean it just it seems like it's a common occurrence. Whenever he refs a Tampa Bay Lightning game, it is just it's the Kelly Sutherland show. And maybe that's like again, recency bias, like maybe that's how I'm feeling in the moment. It just seems that way in the playoffs. Last night. He doesn't he seems to get a rise out of John Cooper. Whether he means to or not. But last night was I I don't know. I don't know. Just the penalty to Hegel, too. It just seemed like it's personal. Like it it me am I wrong for saying that? Like it just seems personal. You penalize Hegel for getting upset that he's getting roughed up in front of the net. He wants a call, you don't give it to him, he barks at you about it. You penalize him for that? You're telling me like you haven't heard words from other players? I get it, it's Hegel. Hegel starting to develop a little bit of a reputation for that. But come on, man. Come on. Look, they were they weren't great last night. I'm just pointing out from the perspective of the lightning. Two more things here. How about this? Happy anniversary. John Cooper's hiring date thirteen years ago. Can you believe that? Thirteen years of John Cooper. I mean, it's it's been a ride with John Cooper. Sometimes in life, you are just destined to do certain things. John Cooper was destined. Like we're lucky, it was he was destined to be an NHL coach. It just so happens to be that it's of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Boltz breakdown. Listen to this. Highest win percentage in NHL history, minimal of a thousand games coached. Third most regular season wins in NHL history, 616. Second fastest to 600 wins in NHL history, 1,004 games coached. Two Stanley Cups, 11 postseason appearance in 12 seasons. This is a guy who did not play professional hockey. He was a crossplayer. This is how you know he's special. Call it what you will, divine intervention, whatever. Life has a way of putting you where you're supposed to be. And I don't want to make it, I don't want to be prophetic or anything like that, but a guy who did not play college hockey professional or college hockey. Obviously, he grew up playing the game. But he's a guy who's won it. Every level he's coached at. He's a guy who's well respected in the game. Like it's hard. I see a lot, like other other fans, other teams, they they say that Cooper's a whiner. It's kind of funny. I think he's very he just he's like very lawyer-like in post-game interviews. Like he kind of toes the line. Very like passive aggressive, I guess maybe. I don't know, but I can't believe it. 13 years of John Cooper. And if you did not see the after hours that John Cooper did on Hockey Night in Canada, you need to go and see that. I'll put the link in the show notes. You need to go and see that because I love that type of stuff. We're getting insight into who he is and a little bit to how the guys maybe respond to him or what he sees. Like that behind-the-scenes stuff. I love that stuff. And John Cooper just seems like just a guy you can just hang out with and talk about more than hockey. But what he's done for obviously our franchise, but for the community with Coop's catch and how he represents our franchise, our team, organization, whatever, so well you can only beam with pride. And when you when you're a fan of this team and knowing that John Cooper is your head coach, because there are 31 other teams and countless other college hockey programs, they would love to have this guy be the leader of their program, organization, whatever. And we are just very, very fortunate that John Cooper has been the leader of ours behind the bench, our bench boss. Um my last thing here. Just on a somber note. I'm sure many of you are aware of the tragic passing of Jesse Pierce and her three children in house fire on March twenty first while her husband was said to be out of town on work. Uh Jessie was a correspondent with. The Minnesota Wild. And all I can really think about is her husband Mike, and the pieces that he has to pick up from this tragedy. Jessie tragically passed away along with their three children, Hudson, Caden, and Avery. And for me, it resonates in being a husband and a father. And just the thought of losing my wife and child, and how devastated I would be. I can only empathize with Mike. The support that I've seen has been absolutely amazing. The Tampa Bay Lightning left a press box seat open along with a bouquet for Jesse. They donated 10,000 to the family GoFundMe and held a moment of remembrance pregame. And I'll put the GoFundMe in the show notes for those listening that want to donate. Look, if there's anything that's for certain is that life is unforgiving, right? And and I know that this is a hockey podcast, and we want to talk about hockey, but outside hockey, right? I'm just like everybody else, but a regular person. I have feelings and emotions and I do regular things, right? I want to ask you guys to do me a favor for those of you that are listening. Reach out to your loved ones. Let them know how much you love them, how much you appreciate them, if they're close, if they're in your house, give them a hug, give them a kiss. Because that unforgiving nature in life can sometimes enact moments like this where you don't get that opportunity again. So make sure you do that because your loved ones deserve to know how much you love them and how much you appreciate them. And I'm sure they do the same for you. But anyway, uh thanks for listening, everyone. We'll talk soon. See ya.