We're like, "Yes, Baby needed to be put in the corner. The bitch needed a time out." Somehow we got talking about- Get it together how you needed to put Baby in a corner. Well, Ilia told me she watched it the other day. Ilia watched Dirty Dancing? And I was like, "Where?" She's like, "At Dad's." I was like, "Oh." Ooh, with him? Well, then I was cur- I'm sure he wasn't paying attention. I'd say that would be awkward. She might be doing something else. And, you know, obviously there's like that back alley abortion whole thing. Totally. And so I was like, "Oh." I was like, "Ili, I forget. In that, in that movie, why does the girl go see the doctor?" And she's like, "What doctor?" So like clearly they don't, they don't see it the way we see it. I mean, there's some very- And I'm like, "Remember the one dancer who da- who's like the good dancer that..." She goes to a doctor and she's like, "I don't know. I must not have been paying attention." So I think sometimes there's concepts that don't even like register to them. But there are some seriously hot sex scenes in there, aren't there? I don't know if there's sex, is there? Or is it just really slutty dancing? I thought there's that one time where- That one time at band camp? Yeah, no. One time at Patrick Swayze, at the 30-year-old's apartment with Baby. I don't know. I... Wasn't there? I swear they had sex. It was like very... I had to watch it. It was definitely like erotic. Yeah. I don't know. I also remember specifically I was not allowed to watch that movie for a long time. My mom was put it told me, "No, no, no." All right. Well, what was the age difference? It is funny if you think about it. Like my favorite movies as a kid, like Pretty Woman, my top favorite movie- Oh, man. I know which is like literally about a prostitute and a rich man saves you, you know? Yeah. Like I'm down. Yeah. Goals Tell me more. Tell me more. #goals. Oh, my God. Or it's the rich girl who's like slumdogging with the Slumdogging with the hot dancer. All right. Let's see. Aspirations. Oh, which is your preferred fantasy? I don't know. I don't know that I can answer that without having Like, I have a obsession, a mild, mild, mild obsession with Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Like, I just love her in there. Oh. Well, well, like why? What part? I think that I just like I think that I love when sh- like the r- when she's all dressed up first of all, and sh- they... she goes to- When they go to the opera? Yes. And she goes to reach for the necklace, and he goes to shut it- Yeah and she laughs. Like her laugh to me is like so pure and joyful. It's like she's got that big smile that takes over her whole face. Like, so I would ch- I guess I would choose to be a prostitute, but not really. Which one would you say? Definitely Pretty Woman. Yeah. You, too? Yes. You? Yes, 100%. 'Cause Baby was a little bit of a nerd. Maybe that's why. Dirty Dancing She was supposed to be 17 and Johnny Castle was 25. See, that's rape. Nowadays. Nowadays you can't have that. I think it is. Actually, I don't know. I don't know if it's like the... Uh, not, so not so much the baby as the rich little girl and then Patrick Swayze that you're, like, slumming it. I think it's more like, "Hey, dance teacher," right? Yeah. If someone was my teacher- Mm that I would go for. I have been more likely to like, like, the bad boy, so I would be more likely to be in that situation, so maybe that's why the other one seems more beyond feelings. It's so much further- Mm than my real life. Yeah, I had a really hot teacher in college. And he was young, like 20s? Yeah, he wasn't old either, but he was, he was cute. Those made for some interesting thoughts. Oh, yeah? In high school. You were in high school. No, no, no. I was in college. Ah. Ah. I had a hot teacher in high school, too. I forgot his name. I did not. None? No. I think he was a history teacher. Can you really have a hot history teacher? I mean, Indiana Jones, hello. I hated that movie, so I don't know. How can you hate Indiana Jones? 'Cause I had a brother, and he made me watch that. Over and over and over. And I wanted to watch, like, My Little Pony or something, and I was bitter. My Little Pony. I remember there was a movie and I- I tried to let Ilya watch it recently, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, this is so inappropriate." Do you remember the movie called She's Out of Control with Tony Danza? No. He's the dad. I don't. And he has, like, a... I guess he's getting married, there's like a step-mother. And while he goes away on a work trip, the, like, it's her 17th birthday or 16 or something, and they go and get, like, her ma- like, her braces come off and she loses her glasses- Mm and then she's, like, the hottest girl in town. It's... And I love that I made my sister watch it. Remember you used to go to, like, the movie store, and you had to walk through the aisles and, like, pick out the movies, like Blockbuster? Oh. Oh, yes, yes, like the DVD store. We didn't even have a Blockbuster 'cause we lived in the middle of nowhere. It was some, like, janky, like, tiny movie store out in the woods, and every time I would go and rent it, my sister's like, "We've already seen this." I'd be like, "I've never seen it." We rent it, like, every weekend. I would say I never saw it. Oh, my God, when you were talking about that, it reminded me of, like, the nasty places we used to have, like a back room where you could go watch, like, a porn. Oh, yeah. That's disgusting. Yeah. Think about that. The back movie... Yeah. In, like, the back of movie theaters. Or, like, the back, like at a DVD store. Yeah. What, was it a DVD store? Oh, wait, and the guys would go watch it back there and, like, spank off while they're watching it, or they would go rent them in the back? No, no. I think you would, like... Maybe this was actually in a sex store, though. Do you remember this, though? I seriously remember. Like, maybe it was, like, a sex toy store. I think there's definitely- Which, grandma, I've never been to. Yeah, sex, like a, like a- Actually, there was one near us growing up. It was called, like, Red Barn something, and it was, like, I think, like, an... I don't know, but you could go and watch. And I only remember 'cause my dad and his friends, as a joke, 'cause it was in, like, a prominent area you would drive by all the time, and one of their friends had a very, like, unique, noticeable car. So while he was away on vacation, they parked it in the parking lot all week. As, like, a practical joke. That's hilarious. So when everybody drove by, his car was in the parking lot of, like, the porn store. Oh my gosh. That's what it must be. It must be a porn store that has, like, a room- Yeah you can watch the movie in, that probably just smells like cum- Oh as soon as you walk in. Oh, that's disgusting. S- uh, and, like, who needs that room? Like, someone who can't take it home? Maybe. Maybe their wife is there. They're not allowed to watch porn at home. That's wild. Think about it, like, there's no devices back then. It's like you had one TV in the house normally, and it was in the living room. Oh my God, that's true. That ne- that never occurred to me. But yeah. Wow. I know. I mean, I had this, not the con- porn conversation with my dad about this, but the i- concept of, like... You know, he's like, "I don't understand. You know, I used to watch TV every day when I got home from school. Why is everyone so upset about kids being on, watching so much TV?" And I was like, "Well, Dad, it's not the TV." Yeah. "It's that Mom is in the kitchen cooking and maybe she's on her phone doing whatever. Dad's on his computer doing whatever. This kid's in their room doing this. This kid's in their room doing this, versus there's one TV in the house." Right. "And if someone's gonna watch something, there's, like, five choices." Right, it's like Gilligan's Island. You sit... Yeah, and then everybody sits and wa- yeah, watches Dick Van Dyke Show together. Exactly. I think you're fine. Yeah. It's also that- Which, for the record, is still one of my favorite TV shows. Dick Van Dyke? Yeah. I think I watch it every week. Seriously? Yes. I love that show. I really don't know that I've ever watched a full one. Oh my gosh, it's, it's amazing. Wow. It's so good. That was, like, a favorite when you were growing up, too? Well, I was a total nerd, and I would go and, like, watch it by myself in my parents' room, and my family would watch, like, real TV, and I would go watch, like, I Love Lucy, and Dick Van Dyke- and, like, The Mary Tyler Moore Show. My sister would be like, "What are you doing up here? You're so weird." Oh my G- when you were little. I was like, in, like, high school. I loved it. Nuh-uh. I was such a nerd. When I was in high school, I'd be... I ha- I remember getting a TV in my room. It was, like, this tiny little TV in high school finally, and I- Oh my God and I used to be able to watch Skinemax. Oh my gosh. Remember when, like, MTV video, music videos came out? Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Which- Yeah, but I had no TVs. I don't even know how we got started on this conversation. Do we have a topic today? Well, we started talking about Dirty Dancing, and I don't know why. No, we don't, it doesn't matter if we have a topic. We talk about whatever anyways. So the topic never lasts anyways. Dirty dancing. It doesn't even matter. I know. But think about how wild that is. That is so interesting that that is how much things have changed, to the point where in our childhood, a grown man would go to a freaking DVD store to buy porn, to now it's accessible on everyone- Yeah like in, in your pocket- I know in your hands. Like, that's, that's dramatic. Mind you, there was probably, like, 30 options to choose from. And now you go online and I'm... I, maybe on one hand, okay, great, your weird pervy thing, there's other, thousands of other people that are into that- 100% also. But, like, do we really need this so accessible? I know, no, no. Not at all. Not that accessible. That's what's- It's a lot that's what's wild, right? Yeah, it's just different, too. It's like, a- and, a- away from porn even, it's like, part of the issue I have is, like, the kids all wanna be on YouTube. Oh, yeah. And then they're all watching these shorts, and I'm like, "That's just reinforcing your lack of paying attention," right? It's like you don't even have to pay attention. Like, a movie, if you sit and watch a whole movie, it's one thing, right? Yeah. But if you're watching, in that hour and a half, you're watching 150 shorts, like- Yeah fuck a day. But don't you feel like when you even watch, like, if you go to the movies with your kids these days, and you go and watch a movie, like, and then you watch an older movie at home or whatever, if you go rent it, just the pace of everything is slower. Totally. Like, I don't even know if kids could sit through some of these older movies. They're so bored. We just watched Ferris Bu- Bueller's Day Off, actually. Oh, my kids love it. Do you, do your kids like it? I say they actually did like it. So good. I mean, it's funny because, like, the quality is, like, so different compared- I know to how, by today's standards. But they actually did enjoy it. Have they seen Sandlot? Yes. Yeah. We watched Sandlot. That's a good one, too. That's a good one, yeah. But we started going back to some of these old movies, 'cause we couldn't, we could never find, like, newer movies that we could all agree on that we wanna watch. Oh, we should get a list together- We should, actually of, like, good old ones, 'cause there are so many. But yeah, and it's interesting from, like, a technology standpoint, and then also just, like, the access to everything so sexual. Yeah. And even shows now that I go to put on, and it's like, oh, TV-14. And Ellie, you know, obviously Ellie's 11, she's not 14, but the older boys are, you know, they're 13, they're close enough. And I'm like, "This is not appropriate." Mm. Like, this is not for a 14-year-old. Yeah. Like, talking about, I don't know. Or maybe I'm just being, like, a prude. I don't know. I say I can't speak to that per se, 'cause I feel like whatever we pick is never, has sexual contact, content really. Except for, like, the Titan- actually, the Titanic. Titanic. I know. The funniest part about the Titanic is Ashton's little friend in school is obsessed with the Titanic. That kid had to be reincarnated from the... Yeah, I swear to God, he's eight years old and obsessed. No. Actually, he was the one at the Mother's Day on the flute playing the Titanic song. The- Yeah, literally. He- That was him? Yes, that's him. He's super cute. He's adorable. He did a great job. But so Ashton was, like, obs- Ashton's my youngest, right? So h- he was obsessed with watching the Titanic, and this was when he was seven, and I was like, "I don't really know. Is it appropriate? I think it's appropriate." And so this is such a bad parent thing, but we put the movie on, and for whatever reason, Chris and I decided we were gonna go have our own date upstairs and take a glass of wine. This must've been last year, 'cause we were drinking. We took a glass of wine upstairs and, and ended up having our own time. And- Time. We'll just call it that And- Your kids watch a porn video while we go upstairs and make out. I mean, seriously, actually, we forgot something. So Chris goes downstairs. I didn't even know what he was getting. Chris goes downstairs, and he comes up, and he's like, "Oh my God, I go down, and the nak- the lady's naked." And Maddox and Ashton are sitting on the couch, like, totally quiet, like, like s- Was Brooks down there? No, he was not. He refused to watch it, but- Oh my God. So Chris is like, "I had to, like, think hard, like, what, what else is there in this movie?" So he's like, "I fast-forwarded it." Oh my gosh, that was, like, a great parenting- I love that that's the moment that he went down, though. I know. Good timing, right? We're like, "God moments." Well, it's... You know, and that's why sometimes, like, all right, maybe those little things don't matter because you don't remember it even later when you remember the movie. You're not like, "Oh, there's that scene where her boobs are out, and they're having sex in the back of a car," or whatever. But, like- Yeah or like Ilya said, she doesn't even remember the abortion or why that, that there was a girl in the movie. But subconsciously, it's gotta go somewhere. When Giacomo was little, he was maybe eight or so. It was around Christmastime, and you know how much I love Christmas, and we will just start watching Christmas movies at, like, Halloween- all the way through New Year's. And I think at one point I'm like, "Oh, man, I guess we can't watch Home Alone again for the 35th time this year." Yeah. I was like, "Oh, Love Actually. That's a, that's a cute Christmas movie." Oh, do you remember? No. Oh, see? We don't even remember these scenes. No. I, similar to, you know, what you and Chris kind of walked out of the room, I didn't go do anything fun. I was probably, like, wrapping presents or doing something else. And I come back in, and Giacomo's like, "Mom, this movie was so weird." And I was like, "Why? W- what?" He's like, "Well, the guy was standing behind the girl holding her boobs, and, and ma-" Oh. I was like, "Oh my God. Remember the two characters are, like, porno stand-ins?" Oh. I didn't watch it again. And he's, like, standing behind her holding her boobs as if he's, like, having sex with her from behind. Oh my gosh. But they're just, like, simulating it, but she has no top on. I'm like, "Oh my God, I left my eight-year-old to watch that by himself." Oh, jeez. What the fuck? Yeah. But see, that's the m- memory. It's so weird, right? But I don't even remember that being in the movie. I don't remember that being in the movie at all. You remember feelings of... I remember when I was a kid, I was little, I was maybe, like, eight years old- Maybe 10, I don't know. But my grandpa took me to see The Bodyguard Oh. And I couldn't tell you the sex scene in that movie, but I can tell you there was one, because I remember the feeling of being so uncomfortable sitting next to him, watching it on TV, on the movie's theater screen. No way. Yeah. Is there a sex scene? I don't remember that movie at all. There has to be s- Actually, I need to watch it again. But there was something that made me super uncomfortable at that point, next, being next to my grandpa, being like, "Oh my God, please make this go fast." Please make this go away. Oh, man. Actually, that reminds me too, one time when, before we had kids, my parents were visiting. We probably lived in Chicago at the time, well, we had to. Uh, I don't know if it was Sopranos or something else, but my- we had a movie on, and it just so happened that I got up. I always get up, I'm like the worst movie watcher. And my dad wasn't in the room either, so Chris poor Chris was like, "I'm sitting next to your mom on the couch-" and it's like a full-on sex scene on TV." He's like, "I'm so uncomfortable." Oh, it's funny. It is funny, though. Like, I forget, there's some comedian... Oh, is this... Lenny Bruce. Do you remember that comedian from, like, I don't know, maybe like the 50s, 60s, and he was very, like, political, whatever. Actually, the, the, that show, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, have you ever seen that TV show- Mm on Amazon? It's really good. Hm. It's about, like, a female comedian, not true story. But Lenny Bruce, who actually existed, is in it, and they, like, become friends, whatever. And I don't remember if he talks about it in the show or if I've, like, heard his comedy, but he... Which I think is so true, it's like we're s- the idea that there's, like, a sex scene in a movie- Mm. You know, I think there's nice lovemaking, not, and I'm not referring to, like, you know, a raunchy whatever sex scene. That we're like, "Oh my God, is there sex in it?" But yet we let our kids watch a movie where, like, someone gets, like, shot in the face. Yeah. You know? Like, why are we okay with the violence part of it- No, I know but something that is actually, like, loving and nurturing and, you know, like a, could be like a beautiful thing between humans, we're like, "Ah, don't want it." It's just uncomfortable to watch it with your kids, I think, is the thing, right? I know, but, but- It's uncomfortable but it's like why versus, oh, you're watching somebody get stabbed to death or- I don't like that stuff either some, like, killing movie. But I feel like they watch it. Maybe, but not with me. Really? Yeah, no. I'm like, I'm like super sensitive, honestly. I can't watch things like that and then go right to bed. Like, it messes with my head. I'll lay there and I'll... So, no. That's funny. I remember when I was pregnant with the kids, I wouldn't... I had to, like, stop watching certain TV shows. I was like, "I feel like this is affecting-" Yeah. That's how I am all the time, so literally I'm like a weirdo. I don't watch that much stuff anyway, but- Huh so I feel like I'm probably equally weird with both. But, like, what kind of shows does Brooks like to watch? Well, right now he's obsessed with e-bikes, so he watches this e-bike guy all the time. Oh, yeah, see, I, I'm, I'm sure Giacomo watches that stuff on his own, but, like, I will not let any- YouTube short stuff be on our television ever I, he said no for the longest time. I was like, "No to YouTube shorts." And then he asked if he could watch this guy who hunts. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so Chris is like, "I don't have a problem with if it's educational." No. And I was like, "I actually don't either. Like, I get that." And so he wa- started watching this guy hunting. And then he wanted to watch this e-bike. And I was like, "I don't really have a problem..." The kid's not a bad kid. It's actually, like, he seems like a decent kid. It's just, like, boring to me and, and kind of dumb. I don't mind if the videos are longer format. Yeah. Like, Giacomo used to love to watch this fishing guy. Yeah. It's like, "Fine, you're gonna go watch him go fishing for 40 minutes? Sure." Right, right. But when it's lo- Which I'm like, oh, my God. I don't even watch fishing in real life- Sounds terrible versus fishing on television. But okay. Or, like, if it, I mean, I guess if they're... I mean, I don't know, the, yeah, this e-bike thing is interesting, 'cause I'm like, oh, I like that they're being hands-on. Like, Giacomo's ordering parts and fixing it, and he's got his whole, like, toolbox that he's, like, trying to- Mm. So they're learning, but the shorts thing, I just, I can't. It makes my brain hurt. No, it makes my brain hurt, too. I was sick last week, and I literally could not be in the room with it on. Like, it made my head, it wanna explode. I hate, hate, hate. No, I turn it off all the time. But it's such a slippery slope, right? It's so tricky, 'cause I was like, "No YouTube." We, we cut out YouTube for years. And then it's like, "Well, okay, what about this one?" And then we say yes, and then it goes to, like, you know, and I'm like- I agree it's so, it's so hard to navigate. But I also feel like, I don't know who controls these algorithms at YouTube, but it'll go from, like, an e-bike video to something totally unrelated. I was afraid of that, too, and I said that to Brooks. 'Cause I was like, "I don't know what it's gonna serve you up." Yeah. But if he's on, like, it's, like, Saronster or whatever, and he's on Saronster's page, it'll only serve him the next, the next Saronster one. Mm. 'Cause I've watched- Well, that's good I've watched that, yeah. 'Cause I thought the same thing. I'm like, "I'm afraid you're gonna get, like, who knows? I don't know." No, they're learning some of this stuff s- somewhere out there. Ilya made some, like, inappropriate, like, sucking a penis motion to me the other day. I'm like, "What are you doing?" Oh, God. She's like, "Well, I don't know. My, my friends are doing it." I was like, "No." Oh. She's like, "What does it mean?" I'm like, "Ah, just don't do it, Ilya." Like, what? Right? Actually, I won't say- But then I'm also like, oh, she's curious. Am I supposed to, like, talk to her about this? She's 11. I was actually having a conversation with Maddox about this stuff recently, because he was saying... This is the greatest thing about dates. We got away from dates for, like, months and months, and I just said to Chris, I'm like, "We need to get back to dates." So I did a date with Maddox. And he started telling me about how, like, kids in their class send inappropriate videos. And I, yeah, and I'm like- Like, what though? I didn't ask, and I probably should've, but I also was like That's like gets into a slippery territory. If I'm like, "What and who?" Then do I have a responsibility to say something to the parents, and like how involved do I get? And like, I don't know. I don't want... You know? Like, it, I was, so I didn't. Instead, I just talked about, I was like, "Do you know what porn is?" And like, "Here's the problems with porn," and you know, and like, "You can't unsee it. And half of them, I mean, they're actors. It's not even real." Yeah. "And like, you're gonna see things that are not actually- And what did he say? Was he like, "Oh my God, Mom," or was he like, do you think he was listening? He's actually so open. He's so open. He was, he, so funny. Brooks like gets so quiet and won't say a word. Yeah. But Maddox is, like, totally different. I won't embarrass him, so I won't say- No, he, he, no, he's a sweet, he's the kid that like at the end of last year in class he's like, "You know, some of the kids in our class really aren't getting along. So a few of us are gonna get together and see how we can all be a better class together. 'Cause we can be better than this." I'm like- Right? "Who talks like that?" I know. He's so sweet, and he's so open. I was so happy about it. He literally was like sharing how they did like sex ed, and they were talking about like erections and wet dreams and like- Yeah and he's like, "My friends and I call it blocked up." What? I've never heard that one, but I was like, anyway, very open, which I was glad. But I don't, I mean, I, I guess my thought is if it they, the things come up, let's, I'd almost rather just overt talk. But inappropriate videos of themselves? No. Oh, okay. No. No, no. 'Cause like that you need to- Oh, 100% I would've gotten that. No. Oh. Just, and what inappropriate means is who knows, right? Yeah. It could be like french kissing or whatever. And he was actually saying, he's very open. He was like s- one of the girls was like saying that the two kids that are dating were trying to have sex. Of course they weren't, right? He's like, "You know," he's like, "I don't know why they would start rumors like that. Nobody's trying to have sex." And I'm like, "That's, nobody should be having sex in elementary school, first of all." No. I was like, "That's way adult." I was like, "In elementary school you maybe like peck, like, kiss. That's it." Yeah. I'm like, "That's the only thing that's appropriate at this age." And he's like, "No, I know." But we, I feel like we have our kids in this very, like, bubbled private school. I mean, granted, it's Miami, but still, like it's a very bubbled private school. And I'm like, "What the hell is going on in the rest of the world?" I know. Right? I know. I mean, sometimes I'll scroll through their chats. I'm l- I mean, they're just kind of mean to each other. There's a lot of curse words. Hmm. Like, I feel like it's too young for kids to be doing this. Yeah. One message was like all of these emojis that was like a peach, an eggplant, squirty water- Oh my gosh like very s- sexual. I'm like, how do these kids know that, that, I b- didn't even know this meant- Seriously. Me neither. I learned like a couple years ago. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, older siblings? Are they just watching it on YouTube? Are they s- where are they seeing this? I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. Even when I had said, "No YouTube," like Maddox would be reciting, not inappropriate, but reciting these Shorts. And I'm like, "Dude," and he's like, "I'm sorry, they're in the chat, like people share YouTube Shorts all the time in the chat." I think I blocked Y- I took the YouTube app off of Ilya's phone, and then I also blocked the URL Oh So you can't even get on it. That's smart. Yeah. You have to be to- so technical, savvy just to have kids. I'm like, I don't know how to do all this shit. Oh, I know. I'm sure they can do way more than we, than we even know about. But it is, I mean- I don't know. Yeah. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, and I don't know. I mean, I don't know if you need to have a conversation about oral sex. But I just would rather, like, talk about things just... I'm like, I'd rather you hear it from me than learn what that is from your friend. It's uncomfortable, but- Yeah, no, it is. I mean, the, our boys are getting older. He doesn't wanna s- talk to me about any of that. I still talk to him, but- Will he talk to Chris, or no? He listens. He'll listen to me, too, but he get, he's, you know, he's like, "Okay, Mom," kind of a little bit. Yeah. He used to be more... I remember when he first, when I first explained sex to him, because it came up in a book that I was reading to him, actually. It was Hunger Games. Oh. And there was one statement, and I knew as soon as it came out of my mouth, it was basically, like, about a, maybe a prostitute. Yeah. It was one line in the whole book, but I knew as soon as it came out of my mouth, I'm like, that kid's so curious, he's not missing this, and he did not. So I ended up explaining what sex was, and he was, like, really curious at that point. I was buying him books on puberty and, like- Yeah he had lots of questions. But that was years ago, and since, he's kinda, like, clammed up. Doesn't wanna talk. But I t- I don't think that, I don't think that our kids, though... Did they have the sex ed class- No at, at school? They didn't. They didn't. 'Cause I asked Brooks that and he said- Yeah no, they never did. I remember my sex ed class. Oh, me too. I remember Miss Vernon. They separated- Miss Vernon the boys and the girls. Yeah. Miss, we, the girls met with Miss Vernon, the boys met with Miss Pernie. And I just re- I can picture it in my head to this day. I don't know why we didn't have books. I don't know why- Yeah she was drawing male genitalia on the board. But I remember she drew, like, a profile picture of a man. And not even kidding you, maybe it was, like, wishful thinking, his penis was to his knees. Like, that was her, like, depiction of drawing. Clearly not the art teacher. She was the sci- she was the science teacher. That's hilarious. And I was like... I remember, I remember for, like, months, like, walking around and just being like, "Where do they put it?" Like, where does it go? Does it retract inside their body? Does it roll up? Does it squish in? Do they tuck it in their butt? Like, where- Hilarious does it go? And I find out, asked my mom, and she's like, "No, honey, that's not how big they are." I'm like, "But that's what she drew." Oh my gosh, that's so funny. I can still remember the old, like, green chalkboards. Oh my gosh. I was terrified. All I remember of sex ed is, like, them talking about body changes and STDs. Like, that's it Oh. Yeah, nope, I just remember the giant elephant penis. I don't remember anything else. I didn't learn anything else. S- no STDs? I feel like that was the whole purpose, like, scare us. I don't think in elementary school they did, and it was weird. Okay. I was in elementary school. And then- No, I think I was in s- fifth or sixth grade. Sixth grade maybe. Did you have it in middle school again, or that was it? I don't remember. Yeah, I don't either. I don't remember. I do remember, though, my chemistry, chemistry teacher? Yeah, like my AP chemistry teacher in high school giving us this, like, lesson on s- atom sizes. Mm. And he was like, "What," you know, "What, what is inside of a balloon that floats?" And you're like, "Helium." "Okay. What happens when helium balloons, over time, what happens?" And we're like, "They all deflate." He's like, "Okay, but why are they deflating? What is happening?" And we're like, at, you know, "The cells are escaping." He's like, "Yeah, the cells are the, you know, or the atom, the atom... The helium atom is smaller than the opening," like the porous, like the whatever that word is, however porous latex is for balloons. So eventually the helium starts to escape. And then he was like, "What are condoms made out of?" Ooh. We're all like, "Latex." Wow. And he's like, "So just so all of you know, the AIDS virus is a h- 100th of the size of a helium atom." Wow. And he's like, "I wrote letters to every single condom manufacturer." He said only one of them wrote back and said, "Yeah, we're aware, but it's better than nothing," was basically their response. Wow. So I don't know if this is true. Someone can fact check us, or maybe it was just our chemistry teacher trying to scare us. That's a great way to scare, though. I know. That's scary as shit. Especially, I mean, it's so, actually, that's so interesting. I feel like when we were growing up it was like AIDS and HIV were, like, terrifying- Mm-hmm and all these people were dying, and now you don't even hear about it. Uh, yeah. Right? Well, I think we could, like, go down some conspiracy theory rabbit holes with- Okay, well, we could definitely- that go there, because I'm not against that. But even, like, Magic Johnson- Mm-hmm that's who it is, right? Like, he's still alive. Yeah. And so do people not- Just 1990s die of AIDS anymore? I don't know, 'cause what AIDS is, you get HIV and then it progresses to AIDS, right? Yeah. I c- think maybe they can treat it better? Is that what it is? I don't know. Is that strange, kind of, that it was, like, massive and everyone was dying, and then, like, literally you don't hear anything? Yeah, but I think nobody knew about it, so there was, like, outbreaks, and especially in the gay community also. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my uncle said, I mean, they know lots of people that died of AIDS. Yeah. Well, that- Horrible the, the scientist who developed the testing that we used during COVID, Brian Mullis, I think was his name, Mullins, Mullis, I forget, um, he's the one that, he developed that PCR testing, like what we all had to get done during COVID a million times. Yeah. He invented that during the AIDS epidemic, and he won a Nobel Prize. To test for- Oh. Yeah, but he had always said, like, this testing is for research purposes only. It should not be used for diagnostic testing, which is exactly what they did during COVID. They used it for diagnostics. 'Cause his concern was that, I guess, in the PCR testing... Remember the, the... Everyone would talk about, like, revolutions, like how many times you, like, magnify it or, like, revolutions of the test. So like, let's say they take your blood out, they put it in, like, the spinny thing, whatever. It's my, my science, my layman science talk. Spin it around as many times as you need to to separate it and then test the blood, and the more you magnify it, spin it, whatever, the more it breaks down, and I guess the more you can find in people's cells, whatever. Mm. And his thing was that. He's like, "I could find an AIDS virus in probably 99% of the population if you let me dissect, dissect, di-," like, you know, go deeper, deeper, deeper. Wow. And that's why he said it's not good for diagnostics. It's good for research, but not to tell if someone's sick or not. Wow. And that was, like, what a lot of these doctors during COVID were saying- Mm-hmm is that this is not a, a trustworthy test- Huh to diagnose and say whether people are positive or negative for COVID. So in a way- Like- HIV is like Epstein-Barr where we all carry some trace of it? E- essentially, that's what he's saying, but you might may or may not get sick, depending on, I guess, how much is in your body or whatever. Yeah. And yeah, again, that's what, that's what a lot of people were saying during COVID, these doctors that were like- Hmm you know, "We don't know what the appropriate how many times." And then the other argument was, after the vaccine came out, that they lowered the threshold for revolutions. Mm-hmm. So, like, did that happen? I don't know. But it's funny 'cause Fauci was a big player in the, in that whole AIDS thing, too, and all that research. I remember this. And this doctor used to be like, "Fauci's a scam artist." Mm. Like, "He's not a doctor. He's a talking head." Like, they did not like each other. Did he ever go to jail? No, of course not. What a joke. I also had read that those, uh, nasal swab tests are, like, full of horrible things for you, like carcinogens and shit. And I'm like, oh my God, I had to put those up my kid's nose, like, every other fucking week so they can get them in school. Wait, why? For where? Oh, it was so ridiculous. Like- In California? Yeah. When we first moved here- Oh my God and we went to a Waldorf school that was not really a Waldorf school- They made your kid go to Waldorf school? It was such a joke. They had a mask. Like, we moved to Florida for crying out loud, right? They had us masked. They had the mask even outside. At one point I was like, "We are done. We're not doing this anymore. You're not wearing a mask outside." But anyway, and then if they had anything, like a stu- Like, literally Brooks would get stomachaches because he hated school so much. Oh, I bet. And, and then they would not let me bring him back to school unless I showed a negative COVID test. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get it. Everyone was, like, super scared, and no one knew what was gonna happen. But man, did we really not handle that one well. I know. I know. I mean, I remember walking by, you know, 'cause remember I pulled my kids out and we were homeschooling, but we live across the street from the school. Ah. And I would walk by the school in Florida, it's like 90 something degrees outside, and these kids were outside wearing masks. So stupid. And then the teachers wouldn't have masks on. Ps- And I would go, and I mean, the, Mr. Mazzo and the principal of the school was probably, was always like, "Oh my God, this lady again." He's like, "Your kids don't even go here anymore. Why are you in here yelling at me about kids wearing masks? Your kids don't even go here." I was like, "They're outside." Right? Come on. And obvi- you know, it was obviously a teacher's union thing. They wanted it... And I was like, "But Mr. Mazzo," I was like, "The teachers aren't even wearing the masks. They're outside. The kids have..." Whatever. It's like, we'll wrap the whole thing around. Like, let the teachers wear the mask if they want to. Yeah. The poor kids are gonna run around and play with a mask on. In Florida. Seriously. In the hot, hot sun. Yeah. I mean, I get it, but I mean, I remember saying to my mom's friends, they're, you know, they're older than she is also. They're probably, like, in their 70s at the time during COVID, like late 70s, and they don't have any grandkids. They have kids that are, like, my age, but no grandkids. And I just remember having this conversation with them, 'cause he's a scientist, he's a biologist, and you know, super smart. But you know, it was like, "Ken, like, w- I love you guys, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna put my kids' mental health and their life at risk on the altar of, like, 85-year-olds dying." Right. I just don't think that's the way the world should work. No, no. Like, why are we doing this? Not to mention, the kids didn't even get sick. That's my point, is that we knew it wasn't- Yes kids were not getting sick. No. And I guess everyone's like, "Oh, but you can carry it, and then you can give it to this person and this person," but I, I don't know. Well, clearly- It's just that maybe that was, like, not the right way to look at it. But I remember thinking, like, "Well, I don't know. I guess if my dad gets it and dies, at least he lived his full life. I'm not gonna- I mean, my moms would say that, though. She would actually say, like, "Listen, we're gonna, we're gonna take the risk. We wanna see you guys, and if that's what happens, like, I've had a great life." Yeah. And like, yeah, totally. It's funny how different people look at... I remember one set of grandparents on George's side, one set of grandparents were like, "No, we're keeping our distance. We wanna stay away. We don't wanna get sick." And the other ones were like your mom. Yeah. Like, "No, we still wanna... What, are we not gonna see our kids? What if we die next week?" Yeah, exactly. We die anyway. We don't even see them. Yeah, not gonna see the grandkids. I think the people I go- It was a scary time. It was a scary time. It was also the, I think that the hardest ones were people who are in relationships who fought, so it was very different. Oh, yeah. You know? Like, I feel like thankfully Chris and I were at least on the same page, and, like, you're going through this weird time- I know but you're in it together and, like, you're navigating all of this stuff. But like, gosh, I can't imagine, like, if you were one extreme and your- I know spouse was the other extreme. I mean, there was definitely a few families like that that ended up at center. And I remember, you know, talking to this one couple, and he finally, I guess, was like, it all opened up and he was like, "Okay, I see- Yeah what she's seeing. Like, I'm understanding her, her side of it." But he was like, "I really thought we were gonna get divorced. Like, I thought she was gonna- Wow take the girls- tell me she was moving out because she was just, like, I, you know, whatever her views were, right? But they did not agree. Yeah. And yeah, a couple other families too. Or even families like, you know, I have a couple moms who didn't wanna vaccinate the kids, and their, like, the husband's family was c- like, completely against it. And she's like, he, even though he agreed with her- Yeah and the, the, they had, like, a home birth. The kid actually wasn't vaccinated at all, so obviously we knew their stance. But she had felt like the husband didn't stick up for her enough- Mm-hmm and tell his family, like, "Back off, this is our decision," whatever. So she felt very isolated and alone. Yeah. And I think it's still, for them, she has a lot of, like, resentment because of it, because she felt, like, abandoned. Totally. And I think it was two things. It was, they were in New York, and New York had just taken away the, um, religious exemptions- Oh, wow for vaccines. Yeah. So she was already h- like, trying to build a home school for the kid. So stressful. Yeah. And then, and then COVID happened, and I think she's just like, you know, "I felt so abandoned and alone," and that's really, yeah, I think quite a few families. Gr- uh, when you were raising your kids and you decided, made, made your decisions on vaccines, was George just, like, okay with whatever you were doing, or did he have a opinion? He was fine with all the vaccine stuff. He was not okay with home birth. I think that- Oh scared him. Yeah. 'Cause I wanted to have a home birth, and he was like, "Absolutely not. I can't..." Like, "We live too far away from a hospital. What if something happens?" Yeah. "What if, what if, what if?" I'm like, "Okay, fine." Yeah. Um, so that I conceded on, but everything else he's- Yeah which is, which, thank goodness, you know? I couldn't imagine, like, going through a divorce and him being like- Yeah you know, 'cause obviously, you, you know, if he was, like, crazy person that just wanted to get back at me, he could've been like, "Oh, really?" Totally. "We're getting a divorce? Well, our kids need to get fully vaccinated then." Right. 100%. And I, and that would've been really difficult, but it, it's funny 'cause, like, you know, now I'm n- you know, dating, whatever, meeting people, and I was with, you know, a friend recently, and he was like, "Well, if I was a liberal, would you, like, not have wanted to go out?" Like, "Would we not be dating?" And I was like, "I mean, I don't know what version of a liberal you mean- Yeah but if you're like, 'Oh, I think kids, little kids should be able to transition,' and I'm all for, like, some of this crazy very left stuff, then no." Right. And he kinda got, like, offended. And I was like, "It, it's, it's not like..." I said, "It's just that we would've never even gotten to this point." Yeah. "I would've n- there would... I would've known. I would've just never gone on a date." Yeah. So it's not like, oh, then, then all this stuff unravels and I'm like, "Oh, we're breaking up now." It's just, I would've never- Yeah gotten to that point. No, totally. 'Cause I just... A- and I was trying to explain to him, I was like, "It's only because I saw how this affected some of my friends- Yeah and their relationships, that at this point, you know, I, I'm not having kids with you. I have my own kids. We don't have to raise kids together, but life could get really hard." Right. "And if you have these fundamental values that are not aligned, w- like-" Why go down that path with somebody that isn't, isn't, you know, isn't in agreement with you with certain things? And I think it's like that's what it is. It's like the foundational beliefs. It's not like the one... It's not really just about, like, the one COVID vaccine, right? Yeah. It's like there's such a bigger thing of, like, trusting your body versus- Mm-hmm trusting the government or allowing, you know, to force you what to do, and there's, like, bigger layers beneath all of those things- Yeah I think, too. Exactly. Yeah, to your point, there's just not enough of, like, a... You wouldn't see the world the same. Yeah. Yeah. And my friend sent me a post the other day, and it's... I forget. It was, well, the video was in the background, but it's like, "If you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, then I just think you might be stupid." And I'm like, "Yeah, kind of." I mean, it's crazy. Like, RFK said basically multiple times now, like, "Oh, the people that are the conspiracy theorists are right. We're right." Yeah. It's like, okay. But it goes with so many things. It's funny, even with, like, you know, the cloud seeding whatever, and everyone's like, "That doesn't exist. That's not real. Those are just clouds, clouds." And now you're like, "Okay, well, states are now banning it, so clearly it exists." Yeah. You can't ban something that doesn't exist. Right. It's wild. I think that people... It just, like, opens up so many things, and people are scared to- Of course you know, and I get that, but- But I think that that's also, like, the idea with vaccines. Like, I don't... Everyone, I think, should be able to make their own decisions, like, and everyone that tries to just say, "Oh, they're completely safe," I don't- Yeah. Try to tell them, like, well, there is fact there is a fund set up by the government that gives money to people whose children or that, you know, siblings, family members, whatever, have been injured or died from vaccines. And it's, like, billions of dollars handed out. Yes. It's not, like, a couple hundred. So you can't say that they're completely safe. Yeah. I mean, is there an argument that can be had that, that is worth, you know, if you think that they're saving humanity and saving our general health? Okay, fine. Right. But you can't say that they're fully safe and effective- No, that's very true because we know that, that people are being paid because their child died. 100%, but I think once you, like, go down this road, you can't un-know the things. Yeah. And it's scary because then you have to be brave enough to go against what you're told to do, and that is always the, like- Yeah what if camp, right? Mm-hmm. Like, what if I don't do what my doctor says and my kid dies from whooping cough or something? Yeah. And you would never forgive yourself, and so it's really, like, a, a scary place to be when you're like, "I'm not going- Of course along with the river." And so I think people are just afraid to even put their foot in because you, once you know, you can't un-know. I know. And once you dig, you're like, "Fuck." Like, none of it even makes sense. Yeah. Like, it doesn't even make sense, half of it. Like, yeah. I think I remember being at one of our, like, you know, school mom events and saying, like, "I am-" I'm in such awe of, like, these mothers that are here that came to this decision on their own. Yeah. Like, that their friends and family don't talk to them, or they didn't vaccinate their kids, and you know, they didn't grow up with that. I grew up that way. Yeah. Like, I was born at home. I was never vaccinated. My sister had her kids at home. They're not... Like- Yeah to me, it was just normal. It's not like I had to learn this on my own. Yeah. So when I meet people that, you know, that, you know, like you were like, "Okay, no." Yeah, no. I came from a different place, for sure. Yeah. 'Cause I remember- But you also had a, an e- experience with vaccines. 100%. So- And that's actually what got Chris and I on the same board, 'cause prior to that, like my, just my mother's intuition would be, like, screaming. Like, this doesn't make sense to give a child multiple shots at once. Mm-hmm. Like, we're overloading their tiny little bodies, and like why am I giving my newborn baby a vaccine that is, like, for sexually transmitted diseases and needles? Like, none of it logically... And I, and thankfully, like, I had, like, the intuition to, like, look into it and, like, go out on this path on my own. Yeah. Because none of this was ever... This was not the way I was raised. Yeah. But, uh, and I think Chris would kind of push back a little bit, understandably. Like, this is just the way it was, and we were vaccinated, even though we were not vaccinated like our kids are vaccinated. Yeah. It's not even comparable. Um, but yeah, when Brooks, Brooks had a really scary vaccine reaction when he was four or five years old, and like that was, like, the one thing that we were like, "Okay." What vaccine was it? Which one? What... Did he just get- It was his fourth Prevnar, which is pneumococcal. Oh, yeah. And he did fine with the other ones, but essentially, you know, you go down... I mean, first of all, I'll tell the story, 'cause it's worth telling. But- Yeah, of course um, I mean, it's so interesting. I think that, like, I so believe in people's intuition, and like my sons are very, like, tapped in, even though Brooks doesn't want to be tapped in. He thinks it's weird, but he's always been very tapped in. And so I remember taking him to the doctor, and he literally was trying to esc- escape the room. Like, I had to hold him physically down. Oh my gosh. I know. Horrible. Like, literally, I'm gonna cry probably after this. But I look at that, and I'm like, he knew, right? It's like intuitively he knew. But anyway, it was like a morning appointment, and, um, we got one single shot. I never let them do, like, combi- Yeah like, we do not do combined. We were on a delayed schedule because I didn't know anyone that didn't vaccinate their kids. Yeah. Like, and even though my intuition kept screaming at me, I'm like, I don't... I just didn't know there was another way. Yeah, yeah. So I did the best I could. We did delayed. Anyway, um, we go home, and Brooks has always been, like, a very... I read a book about your spirited child. Like, always been very spirited. And, um, and literally, like, he wanted to sit on the couch. I'm like, "This is, like, not normal." Yeah. And he had a friend, Jack, that he played with, like, every single day, lived across the street. And so I got him outside, even though he did not want to go outside. He go, uh, go outside to play with Jack, and within, like, five minutes, Brooks had this, like, massive meltdown. And his mom, Jack's mom, was like, "What is wrong with him?" And I knew. I'm like, "He just had a vaccine. Like, he's just not himself." Yeah. So we go home, and like literally he wanted to do nothing all day. He wanted to sit on the couch. He wanted to watch his iPad. And it gave him a lot of space, and the scariest part was the next day. I don't remember the morning. Chris was traveling. He traveled all the time. It wasn't a, like, a weird thing that he was traveling, but he was gone. I don't remember the morning really, except I got Brooks to school, and he had, like, a half-day preschool thing, and Chris and I went to pick him up together. And this is where I'm gonna cry. And I watched... Chris walked up to him. I stayed back with Maddox, and I was maybe, like, I don't know, 30, 40 yar- yards away, and I watched Brooks stare at his dad like he did not know him. Oh. And it was horrifying. And so Chris, like, came up to me and he was like, "What is w- what is wrong with him?" Uh, and so whatever. We get in the car, like, put on Brooks' favorite song, and he's staring out the window. I'm like, I'm like, "This is, like, what it looks like when your child is, like, slipping into autism." Like- Yeah like, this isn't my child. But thankfully, um, thankfully, we got him on a detox program. Like, I just gave him activated charcoal that day. I got him on this series called Unda. It's a homeopathic remedy. The next day, and, uh, he got his vaccine on a Thursday, and by Monday, like, his fog was lifting, like, he was, like, coming out. Oh my God. You could tell. He also had a rash, like, down his entire arm, but, like, the rash was, like, the least of my concerns, like- Yeah. But yeah, and so that was the point where I'm like, "We're fucking done." Yeah. And Chris was like, "Yeah, I'm good with that." And then when you do research, you're like, oh, well, Chris has a methylation defect. Like, he's got, um... And so the doctor said was basically like, Brooks' little body just couldn't keep up. Yeah. Like, he was okay- Yeah with the first three, but the fourth one sent him- Yeah over the edge, and, like- But I thought, didn't you say that one of the doctors was like, "Oh, he's just mad that Chris is traveling"? Oh my God. Oh, that lady, I want to kill her. We took him, him to the office on Friday, the day after, and that lady tells me that he was mad. Brooks was just reacting because Chris was traveling. 'Cause I was... I went in there because I'm like, "You need to report this to, to VAERS," V- Yeah Rs, however you say it. Yeah, yeah. The Vaccine Adverse Events- VAERS, yeah um, Reporting System, and she's, she was like, "No, there's something wrong with him. He's mad because your husband's traveling." Yeah. I'm like, I was, I literally, this is when your mama bear comes out. Like- Yeah I wanna fucking kill you. Yeah. Like, every part of me and my maternal instinct, and I left so angry and crying, and Chris was like, like, obviously we'd never go back, go back there. But she completely refused to see it, and, uh, I reported it myself 'cause I'm like, "She's not gonna report it." But I was like, for other people's sake. Or I thought that, um, doctors had to report it. She wouldn't. You can self-report it? You can self-report. Interesting. Yeah, you can. I reported it. For anyone that doesn't know, it's a very interesting website- It is to look at. You can look it up. Um, it's called VAERS, and it, and it- V-A-E-R, I think. Yeah. A Vaccine Adverse... What does the E stand for? Effects Research. Yeah. So you can... And it's- Scary thing is when you look at it and then the year where the COVID vaccine came out, it is like the chart just skyrockets up- Oh, I'm sure from so many. Um, but they say it's so under- underrated too that they estimate that there's, like, 10% of all vaccine injuries are actually reported- I mean, mine- mine's such a- on there yeah, mine's such a good example. Like, she refused to report it. Like, if I didn't know I could do it myself, it would have went unreported. Like, I'm sure- Yeah there's thousands of stories like that. Yeah. There, there's another website. It's actually if anyone has any interest and wants to go look, look it up. The... If you Google Bayer's and, like, COVID or something after, there's a, another website that basically, like, takes, took all of that Bayer's info and breaks it down just for the COVID injuries by lot number. Oh. So people can, you can look up your vaccine lot number from COVID and see how many injuries and death per lot number there were. That's scary though. My mom ended up getting COVID vaccinated partially because we, Chris and I, Chris got really sick with COVID, and my parents were like, "This is scary." Yeah. Like, if he got this sick, like... And so they end up getting it. My mom's like, "I don't even wanna know anything else because, like, I don't wanna go down this mental route." Yeah. Like, what do I do about it now? I already did it, you know? So I'm like, I get... Yeah. Yeah. It's... But yeah, there's so many. There's another, um, mom friend in our, in our class- Yeah that their little boy who was the same age, I think he was four, and was, like, normal, talking. Yeah. And, and it's funny 'cause the dad is like, "I w- always was like, oh, people that, you know, claim that, you know, vaccines do this to your kids or cause autism or whatever," he's like, "I always just thought people were, you know, crazy." Totally. And yeah, their son is nonverbal autistic now. Yeah. It's crazy. So, and I just feel like I had always said, and you know, obviously, like, pre-COVID I would have these conversations with people because y- you know, kids aren't vaccinated. It's not just a COVID thing. And I just think the idea of telling a mother, like, this makes me cry, like, like, to your point, your story, like, telling a mother that, that they, they don't know their child. Right. Like, wait, so y- you're telling me that my kid who I've gave birth to, nursed for how long- Right spent every day of their life with- Exactly and I'm saying, "There's something wrong. He changed." Right. You're like, "No, no, no, no, no." Yeah. "You're wrong. He's fine." 100%. Like, how can you say that to a mother? And by the way, that lady was with him once. That's it. I, that, we had one appointment with that lady ever. She did not know my son at all. Oh, yeah. I would have lost it. And, uh, yeah, that's, I literally wanted to strangle her. I'm like, like, "How dare you?" Yeah. And you know, it's like people can discredit all you want, but when it's you and your family- Yeah and you know, like, there's no discrediting, and it's like if people would just- No be open-minded to listen. I'd heard someone say once, like, "I don't have to set my children on fire to keep you warm." Mm. And I always, like, think about that idea, and- I don't know. I guess I get the other side, like, "Oh, it's for the betterment of humanity," if that's really what you believe the vaccines are doing. But I feel like that's okay to say in a general term, but when it's your child that dies- Right are you really gonna still think that? No. And it never really made sense to me. I'm like, I c- I mean, I understand herd humi- h- h- herd immunity. However, if you believe the vaccine works, your child should still be protected. Yeah. So my child should not be a threat to you. Yeah. Like, and like just... And the idea that I'm going to, I mean, yeah, the, the idea that I'm gonna then vaccinate my child again so that p- it's- Mm-hmm saving him, saving someone else, but at his expense. Like, I mean, my child literally, like I saw it, I watched with my own eyes, like, the kid was slipping away. Like, there was no way he could have survived, and he would've been- Yeah normal after another one. And I also feel like anyone that, if you look at the timeline, and it always is this way, follow the money. Yeah. Look at the money. Yeah. If you follow the timeline, 1986, when they did not have to do, you know, they lo- you know, no immune, like they have immune from any kind of damages- Yeah the vaccine companies, and then that's when we skyrocket, and we start deciding that kids need 70-some vaccines instead of the 6 that they used to have. Right. Uh, which is- The last Aaron Siri, um, podcast, did you listen to the Joe Rogan one that he did recently- I haven't a couple weeks ago? Um, he's just so good. Yeah, he is. Yeah. He's, I mean, he's so, i- he's... I actually sent it to a friend of mine who was like, "What's all your vaccine talk? What are you talking about?" He's a very smart, smart man, and I was like, "Here, listen to this. This guy really does a good job of explaining it." And it's funny 'cause, you know, Joe Rogan sometimes is like, "Yeah, and then this," and he's all over the place. Yeah. And then Aaron's like, "Okay. Well, let me finish answering your first question, and then I'll go..." Like he's so, his brain is so organized- Mm-hmm and he talks through it so well. And, and my friend that I had sent it to, he was like, yeah, he's like, "Send me more stuff like that. That- Mm I can like process and understand, like, all right, maybe there is, this isn't, everything isn't what we thought it was." Right. Yeah. That's actually the good thing you realize in, in different people talking about the same thing, right? Yeah. Because some people might hear our story and to totally blow it off because they want science and they want facts, and like- Yeah and that's- But that's what Aaron Siri has, science and facts there you go, right? And so, and someone else, like me, I'm a more emotional feeling type person, like these stories matter- Mm-hmm because the more we share them, the more that you understand that this, this is actually happening. Yeah. And I just think it's, it's interesting. It's like the, you know, we're not trying to say you're not allowed to vaccinate your child- No, no, no if you wanna vaccinate your child. 100%. But that's what the other way is going, like- 100% saying you have to do it. Yeah. And that's not it. Like, we shouldn't be mandating Any of this I feel the same way in general, like my body, my decision, right? Yeah. Like, y- you don't mandate. You don't get the right to tell me what I can and can't do, right? I mean, then there's so many good books out there to read. I mean, I know Dissolving Illusions is like the one everyone says to read. That one's tough, though. I didn't read that one, actually. I mean, it's a lot of- I read a ton of vaccine books charts and science and whatever, and it's a good one. But I feel like it's a tough one to get through. Yeah. But it is so, so much of the history of, like- Mm showing you when a vaccine was introduced versus the true decline- Yeah of the disease- Totally versus when the vaccine came out. Um... Yeah. I mean, it's interesting 'cause, like, by the... You know, with Ashton, it was like I said to Chris, I'm like, "Listen," like, "we can go through every single vaccine, and we will weigh the risks and the benefits." Yeah. And if there's something you feel very strongly after we go down that road, then, like, I would be open to it, right? Mm-hmm. But, like, we couldn't find a single one that we would... thought that the benefit outweighed the risk. Yeah, not at all. I mean, I... When my kids were born, it... We were living in New Jersey, like in the middle of nowhere. Um, it was before... In between New York and Miami, we've, we went, we went back and, uh, you know, you know, we lived near where my parents are, which is the middle of nowhere. So especially, I'm like, "Oh, there's nobody around." Yeah. "I don't need to vaccinate my kids." "Who are they gonna get sick from?" And then we moved to Miami. There was part of me that was like, "Ugh." Ugh. "This place is a little grimy." Yeah, right. "Do I need to get vaccines for these kids?" What's happening here? Yeah. Yeah. But we never ended up doing it. But I did have a friend of mine who... There was a doctor from South Carolina that would come down here and give the vaccines, like, nasal, like the- Mm through... You know, like, but you have to do a few. Homeopathy. Yeah. There's actually... We've, we did, with Ashton, I did, it's homeoprophylaxis, and it's basically homeopathy, uh, as a preventative medicine- Yeah or as a vaccine, and I did do that with Ashton, which- For what? For which, uh- Almost... I did, like almost all of them, but I just- Oh uh, I wanted... My acupuncturist had said her child had whooping cough, and she's like, "It was really scary." Yeah. And so I was definitely, like, very adamant about... But I think I did ho- homeopathy for, uh... I mean, not... I didn't do an amazing... Like, you're supposed to do a very specific schedule. Mm-hmm. Like, it was, it was my version, so- Yeah a little bit flexible. But, um, but even now, like, we're going to Africa, and we just started on homeopathy. And I mean, homeopathy is really hard to understand, but, like, the studies show it's, like, 80 to 90% effective, which is as effective if not more than just about any medication. So what vaccines are you doing the homeopathy for for Africa? So yellow fever is what we started. Um, interestingly, we are only going to Kenya- Oh and if we were going to another country, you're required to then get yellow fever vaccine, which- That's right, 'cause Michael just went and he was like, "Oh, what am I supposed to do here?" I was like, "You can say you have an egg allergy, and then they can't make you get it," 'cause there's egg in a... I was gonna say, I'm glad I didn't have to figure out a workaround, 'cause I'm not sure what we would've done. Yeah. But since we're only going to Kenya, we're not required to have any, but we're still doing just homeopath- homeopathy for malaria, yellow fe- fever, hepatitis, maybe typhoid. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, I un- I understand the idea that if you are living somewhere, going somewhere different where different diseases exist that your body has not been able to build up immunity to, like- Yeah that idea I understand. Yeah. But even then, like most people don't even know that homeopathy would be an option for that. No, of course not. Like, let's start there, you know? No. Yeah, but- Which is, like zero side effects. It's the energetic property of the medicine. It's like... I mean, yeah. But that's just not mainstream. It's very inexpensive. Yeah, no one's making money off of that. No, not really. I got four of those for, like 80 bucks. Yeah. That covers our whole family. Your whole family. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You're set. I know, right? I mean, it is interesting though being at a school that you're not, like the black sheep- 100% 'cause so many people have similar views. And not just from the vaccine thing- No like the phones and just so many other ap- And food yeah, food, the technology. Conscious parenting, like yeah. It makes me a little nervous to think when they end up going to high school. I think that the thing is I'm like, I feel really, actually really good about it, 'cause I feel like this is the... Brooks and Giacomo are now 13. Brooks will turn 14 very soon. I almost feel like- That's so crazy it's crazy, but I'm like the foundation has already been laid. Yeah. Not to say like, you know, you know, he's gonna mess up, he's a kid, but like he's got a really strong foundation, and we're still gonna be there to walk him through, like and navigate. Yeah. But he's gonna go into the real world, and that's gonna be a little bit shocking probably. But I feel like- What do you think with the phone? You think you'll get it to, for him before high school? That's our plan, the summer before high school. Yeah. Yeah. Yours? Well- I was hoping 16, but Jock was like, "Mom, that is so embarrassing." I don't feel like we can really send him to high school- You can't without a phone. No, no, no, you can't. Well, even, like, recently when I got them new Apple Watches- Mm for Christmas, 'cause that's how I track them and, and talk to them. Um, I guess, I don't know. I, I guess you don't need a phone number anymore. Apple just does it off of, you can just use your, like, iCloud, and I don't know how you can make phone calls if, if they don't have a phone, but I don't know. But anyway, they were like, "Yeah, you don't need the phone numbers. You don't have to pay AT&T for a phone line anymore." And he was like, "Mom, no." "I need a phone number. I can't go, like, give a girl my email address." "It's bad enough I don't have a phone. I have to at least pretend like I have one and give her my phone number." And I was like, "All right, fine." I totally get it. Uh, yeah, I mean, I feel like for high school, it's like you don't, you know... But even that, I was like, "Don't think you're gonna just, like, be on social media and, like, you have a free-for-all on your phone." No, there's nothing on it. Like, you get a phone, and I think you probably need Snapchat. Yeah. I mean, I think I've already have decided that he can have Snapchat because that's just how the kids communicate. Yeah. But I did tell him he can't have it- Mm and that he has to do a presentation for me- I like that as to why he should be allowed to have it, the dangers of it. Well, that's smart. We should do the same thing. And, you know, I forget what else my parameters were for that project. The dangers of it- 'Cause it's not for another year is the big one. So- Yeah I'm like, "Okay, then you have to present to me why you should be able to have it and all the risks, so I know that you know the risks of having it." Yeah, I like that. And then we had another... You know, I had a conversation with Giacomo i- I think a year or so ago when I was hearing about all those, like, sextortion- Yeah stuff. And I talked to him about it again recently, especially this AI stuff is nuts. I'm like, "You..." Giacomo, I was like, "I don't care if you are live FaceTiming a girl." Yeah. "It doesn't mean it's a girl." I know. There are live filters, like you. It's wild. And then of course I just had to get, like, very graphic and- Yeah raunchy with him. And I was like, "If you're okay with some fat, naked, old man pervert- Right in their basement jerking off thinking about you, then fine." He's like, "Mom, that's so disgusting." So gross. I was like, "That's what it can be." But it's true. Yeah, 100%. It's like you, there are plenty of girls that you know live in Miami. We live in Miami. You don't need to go and, like, talk with random girls on the internet. No, I mean, they need to know that's, like, a real thing. Yeah. It's wild. But then it's funny 'cause I do remember, like, being young and going up to my parents' room. I was maybe, probably in high school, and, like, going on, like, AOL chats and, like, sex talking with random men. Randoms? Totally. Oh, I would only, I would only, like, flirt with people I knew. Where do you find these random? They just pop up? Like AOL chat rooms. Oh my God, AOL. That's what we grew up with. I'm so old. Oh my God. AOL chat rooms. Whoa. Totally. Huh. Yeah. That guy could've easily been like... Except they never would've been like, "Oh, yeah, here's my address." And they're not, like, sending pictures and, like, there, the technology wasn't there. So it was- I'm sure there was, like- less risky a camera on the computer See, I feel like I remember there was for some, like, game, but I would have never been, like, in my parents' room. Yes. That's the problem with the little devices everywhere, though, too- Totally, you can take them anywhere is that you feel similar to, like, you know, wrapping it back to the beginning of our conversation, the guys that used to go- Yeah in a back room to jerk off 'cause you can't watch the porn on your TV in the living room. Right. Maybe there's something healthy about that. The same thing. Like, I wasn't gonna be taking naked pictures on my parents' computer in their room. So true. But if you have a little device in your hand, the privacy of your own- I know house, then maybe you would. I keep telling my kids the same thing, like, you never put that out there. You don't know who you're talking to, and you don't know what they would do it, do with it, and it could ruin your life with one bad decision. Like, I think they're getting sick of me talking about it, but I'm gonna keep talking about it. Yeah, you have to. Like, I need them to care. Yeah. No, 'cause it's, it's real, unfortunately. It's, it's crazy anyway because, uh, one of Chris's friends, like, basically created this AI influencer, and they look like... I mean, they sh- Chris- Oh, he was showing it to me. Oh, it's crazy, right? Yeah. Looks 100% human, and so we've been talking forever, huh? Yeah. Uh, we'll wrap up. No, no, go. So, so Chris was, like, playing with Claude to make an AI influencer. Yeah. And he makes this girl who's beautiful. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is like your AI wife." Yeah. And then I said, I started thinking about it, though, and I said to him, I was like, "Think about how weird it is that you actually could get to the point where you create a person through AI- Yeah who's so complimentary, and, like, you have a relationship with her." Mm-hmm. And he said, he's like, "Actually, the craziest part is there's even, like, like, robot basically that you can give... You could just literally, like, create an AI character, assign it to, like, a... Yes, and you could essentially be married to a bot." What the hell is going on? You could have a relationship with a bot. Yeah. Wild. Wasn't there a movie, Her or something- Oh, yeah with, uh, Joaquin Phoenix and- I'm so bad at movies, so. Yeah. I feel like there was something- Yeah along those lines, but it's not far off, and it's... I mean, I just think, like, just making sure that our kids are still, like, just humanly connected- Yeah. So true to their friends- Yeah to us, like, not letting that, not letting that slip away. 100%. For all of us, that's actually what it comes back to. 'Cause even if you spend too much time on AI, your, like, brain starts to get fried. I feel like it's, like, zaps you. I know. So it's like, go be in nature, have a conversation with a human, hug somebody. Like, come back to, like, our, our- I know roots. But it is so helpful, it's ridiculous. Oh, it's amazing. I love it, too, but, like, you h- you have to balance it with, like, real life. I feel like now at least still, especially with, like, the work that I do, I still have to give it, like, me. Yeah. My brain- Yes to be able to give back what I need. It n- has not nearly gotten to the point where I... Like, I've never once gotten anything out of and been like, "Oh, this is perfect. Needs no edits." Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm always- I agree tweaking it, so it hasn't, you know, at least for me, it hasn't- Put me out of my own job yet. No, but I mean, it is warning us, right? It's wild. It definitely is. Getting good. All right. Yeah. I'm hungry. Yeah? I know. That was, um- We over talked? that was a hard one. Yeah. No, that was a good one. Bye, friends. Yeah. Thanks for being here. I feel like we should put some of those, um, links in our-