Don't tell the kids... all more powerful than we think

This one starts in the most ordinary place — kids and chores, the boys negotiating their way out of dishes, the rotting calamari Giacomo left in his fishing bag for a week, and the word "disappointed" and whether we should even be using it on our kids. From there it turns into a real conversation about people-pleasing, alignment, and how the energy you carry shapes everyone around you — your kids, your partner, your whole house.

Then it goes wide. Mel and Siobhan get into intuition and trusting your gut, the AirTags-in-the-socks moment at Disney, and the stories that make you grateful for that little voice in the back of your head. They talk about Dr. Joe Dispenza, coherence healing, and the woman who healed her own metastatic breast cancer. Wim Hof teaching people to control their immune systems with breath. The wild fact that we only see less than 1% of what's actually around us. Butterflies that basically dissolve before becoming themselves.

And yes, mushrooms come up. Mel shares the exact moment microdosing changed how she mothered — a long story from her middle son she would've rushed through before, and instead found herself thinking, "he's a storyteller." That kind of presence. The reminder that not all drugs are the same, and that the earth grows medicine if we let it.

The thread running through all of it? You are more powerful than you've been told. Your energy matters. Your vibration matters. And the work you do on yourself isn't selfish — it's the most generous thing you can do for the people you love.

Pour the coffee. We're so glad you're here. 💛

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Need a break from your endless to-do list? Welcome to Don't Tell the Kids. We're two busy moms sharing the real, messy, funny conversations about life and motherhood. I'm Mel, mom of three, wellness nerd, an entrepreneur, figuring it out as I go.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

And I'm Siobhan, single mom of two, usually barefoot, and always saying yes to life. No advice, just honest conversations on and off the mic. So grab your coffee, hide out in your car, and don't tell the kids.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

I'm highly caffeinated, so maybe we should have a warning.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

You are? I'm not caffeinated enough. Oh shit. It was the end of the universe. Colliding. Too much caffeine, not enough. I know. We'll see how that balances out. The dogs.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Let's see what the dogs end up doing. Yeah, well, they're pretty peaceful right now. Okay, so I wanted to ask you, did you end up sending your kids a text message about the detective? No, I forgot.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I forgot. I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I needed a reminder. I thought about it, but I was like, I can't do it. I should do it while I'm away. It'd be really funny. Oh my gosh, that's even more mean.

unknown 1:15

So weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Poor Giacomo.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

No, he definitely would get so upset. Well, I was thinking about it, and I was like, if I were to do it, my kids will ask a million questions and I won't be able to have, I won't have answers. Like, how do you answer any questions about that? You can't. And so I never not answer questions. So I was like, I just don't think I can do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I don't know what they what my kids would do. I think they probably would have a bunch of questions. Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:41

Like, where were you? What do you mean? Who's looking for you? What did you do? Why are the police? You know, like there'd be like a million questions. I'm like, I couldn't even answer one of those without like being like, I'm joking.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I just would respond and be like, I'll tell you later. Just just pretend I was with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Oh my god, I couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

You'd be so nervous. So nervous.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Oh my gosh, so nervous.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

You'd have to do it on a night well either while you're still out and you know they're like on their iPads with with Didi or something. Yeah. And and tell Didi you're gonna do it. I'd be like, I'm curious what the kids' reactions are. Oh, that's true. Chris maybe would do it. But you'd have to do it on different devices. You could see what each kid's response is.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

I mean, Ashton would have a panic attack and like hide somewhere. Maybe don't send it to Ashton. Don't do that, poor little sweet baby. I wouldn't do it ash anyway, because he's not even he didn't even get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

He'd be like, what?

SPEAKER_02 2:30

He's totally he also gave up video games for Lent.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Oh how impressive is he? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

He's like kind of regretting it, but he's sticking to it. He's sticking to it. What did the other boys do? Brooks gave up nothing because that's what Brooks did. And Maddox gave up spending money. Yeah, which is actually kind of a sacrifice for him.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

His own money? Yeah, he spends a lot of his own money.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

He likes to buy things. Like stupid shit. Like squishinells and gummy bears that are that you hold in your hand and just like dumb shit.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

And then where do they go? Is there like a pile of dumb shit in his room and you just throw it away? Or he like cares about his knickknacks?

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Heading into his room.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

I mean, yes, but I don't remember which one is his kind of.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Okay, we'll give it like a year and we could probably be on hoarders. No, come on. Really?

SPEAKER_01 3:22

I mean, not quite, but there's a lot of stuff in there.

unknown 3:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Like, would he know if you like took away the like cat swishamello? Would he be like, where's my cat swishamello? That's a great question. Um, like every every week for the next year, you should just like take one thing out and see if he ever notices.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah, I bet if I did it strategically enough, he wouldn't know. It depends on what it took. Like, there's certain things I know he would definitely realize right away. But there's way too much stuff in there.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Those things you could say. I asked Ilya the other day because she hates cleaning her room, and I don't blame her. I don't think I'm like the best example. I mean, I remember when I was little, my room was it's not dirty, it's just messy. Yeah. Like to the point where there were so many clothes on my floor that I would just make like holes that I could step in, so I didn't step on my clothes. It was just every inch of the floor was covered with clothes. It's probably fun as a kid that was.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

You're like, it's like, don't touch the floor, like the floor's locked.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

It basically was that. But I was like a teenager, it's not cute. No, it's a little old to be playing that. I remember my dad is always like, but somehow you knew where everything was. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Did they make you clean your room?

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Did your parents? My parents said they just gave up. Oh, okay. They were like, it wasn't it. I had a canopy bed and literally was just the whole thing was just closed, thrown over the top of the canopy bed.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

That didn't make you crazy at all.

unknown 4:40

No. Nope.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

But I thought yeah, Ilya's kind of the same way. And I'm like, Ilya, can I just throw away things in your room that I think you really wouldn't even notice? She's like, Yeah, okay. Oh wow. That's good. She likes little weird knickknacks too, but then forgets immediately. 100%. Ilya can't.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

I don't actually buy it for them anyway, though. I do. That's one thing that someone told me years ago and we've done pretty well on, I think, is they have an allowance, which is not that much, but they earn it by doing tours. And then they have we use Green Light now, it used to be a different app that we use, and then they keep talking their own money. So if they want something, they buy it with their own money because otherwise, and it's just easy that way. It's like they're like, I want this. And like, okay, well, you have the money, is that what you want to spend it on? Which is so much easier than like negotiating about what they're doing. Does Brooks spend money like that too? Brooks is a great saver when it saves.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

So fine, what about the oldest thing? Jacqueline wants to save money, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Maybe it doesn't save it. He saves all his money because he's spending he wants to invest, he invested quite a bit. He like checks and sees how his stocks are doing.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

And Jacqueline's always like, what's my bitcoin?

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Yeah, what's my bitcoin? It's so much cooler than me. I'm still like I told Brooks, I'm like, I've never invested like my own money ever.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

I think the only idea is bought some bitcoins. My brother was like, get it. It was so long ago. Yeah. So I didn't even look at it. I just like I didn't remember I didn't put that much money in there because I didn't have that much money. I just was like, all right, I guess. I'm okay. Like an amount that I would be okay losing and not ever seeing again. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

I mean, yeah, we have investments, so like Chris handles it all. Never really. I mean, that's like my thing though.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I don't like finances, so it's not really I mean I feel like Brooks and Jockman was similar in that like the renting the slushy machine. Brooks is like right 50 100%. Like that's how Jocalma would be. Like he he had a brand new pair of Nike whatever, so his shoes, all the boys like those expensive Air Forces, or I don't know. Yeah, um for Christmas for him. I think he didn't love the collar, maybe, so he never really wore them. They're brand new, and of course, in like a month they didn't fit him anymore. Oh gosh. And he made why buy them. I'm like, Giacomo, just give them to your friends. Like I would never, I'm like, just give them to your friends. No way. I can sell them on eBay. Oh my gosh. I was like, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

They are exactly the same. It's actually funny because I was kind of during the marketplace, during the shark tank for school, I was sitting there and I knew that your boys' group needed a slushy machine. I was thinking, like, oh, they can just use ours. And thankfully I didn't say anything because Brooks would have been mad at me for sure. Yeah, meanwhile, he won a pair of tennis shoes at a marketplace like a year or two ago, and they were like way too big for him, and he doesn't even like them. Yeah. And um, Maddox wanted them desperately, and I'm like, just give them to Maddox, right? And he's like, nope, I'm gonna sell them. But he tried to sell them on eBay and nobody bought them, so then he ended up selling them to Maddox for some cheap thing. And I'm like, dude, like seriously, you don't even wear them. You won them, you didn't even pay for them.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

It is funny though. So you think of like all the weird ways Chris used to make money, you're like 100%. I have to kind of appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Well, that's the thing that makes it so hard to parent because I'm like, I have this new rule. I realize I was like, my kids are old enough to help me with the dishes. So I'm like, I'm not always doing all over the pots and pans and all the dishes, right? And so last night too, I'm like, okay, everyone has to. I swear to God, Brooks has never washed a single pan because he does other he'll be like, I'll do this, Maddox, you do that. Yeah, and they do it, or like when when I made them clean bathrooms, Brooks never actually that's not true. I made him before we left scrub one toilet. You would have thought I made him like lick dog shit at the end of his life. But like, I'm like, you have to leave it one time, but he just will negotiate his way out of it. And um, part of me is like, good for fucking you, right? Like you're you're waking up making it work the way you want it to. And the other part of me is like, but you kind of need to learn these life skills.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Oh yeah. I mean, I guess he needs to learn how to clean, so when he gets his own house, he can do it, but who knows? Maybe he'll just figure out how to barter with someone so he never has to clean his own house. Actually, true. I don't know, maybe he'll never have to do it. I know. I think I don't see the dishes either, though. And maybe once in a while if the kids aren't home and I'm like, all right, great, I guess I'll do it. But what do I know dishwasher? So I guess that's like wash dishes. Yeah, that's a lot. Wash dishes, walk the dog, clean the bathrooms, vacuum, fold the laundry. See, that's a lot, it's not all one day.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

No, no, no. But it's good, I think it's good. I mean, my kids have chores, but like that's like one day a week, and then otherwise, I'm like, I'm the one that cooks. But most of the time I cook, and then I was like, I'm the one cleaning everything up, I'm the one doing all the dishes, and everyone's sitting around, and I'm like angry.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

If it's things that you're like angry and resentful, like why am I sitting here? Then they should definitely shouldn't. No, that's what I said. It's like it's so much faster. Everyone does one pan, like we're done. I mean, you can a hundred percent tell which dishes Ilya washed and which dishes and human washed. Totally. Ilya soap? Did you use the soap? Well, that one didn't really look dirty. I'm like, it doesn't matter. You have to use it a little dirty. Everything that has had like raw meat in it, I always want to.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Like I can't trust that color and it's daddy.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

It tries though.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Last night Ashton did a pan, and you could tell which one his was because it had soap suds all over it when he put it on the dry.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

It was literally like bubbling over. I know, those are I mean, it's kind of funny. It's like sometimes it's that way with work, right? Where I'm like, gosh, if I could get someone to just do these things, I wouldn't have to do it, but having to explain and think the outcome is gonna be the same as if you did it never happens. It's tricky, and it's a cycle where you're like, right. Yeah, but you have to teach a man to fish that kind of like concept.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

It's untrue.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

That's more annoying. There's gonna be soap suds in it, not unclean coffee mugs. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

And you realize like you can tell someone how to do something and and and maybe they do it well, however, it's just different than you would do it. So it's still like, I mean, I had that when I had an assistant, like she was amazing and she did really great things, but it was just like a different energy than it would be if I did it. And so I was like, ugh.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

I always used to say to Mia and my you know, my business partner, there's more than one way to skin a cat, Mia. Like, it's not always your way. Like, there's other ways to do it. She's finally, she was like, that's the most disgusting thing ever. Could you stop saying that? You're like, yeah, that is a really gross idea. Like, let me say that that way. Yeah, like where did that phrase even come from? Who skins cats?

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Nobody skins cats. But what you're actually trying to say is get the fuck off my back and let me do the way I want it to.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

But luckily, I don't particularly care that much about how things get done. I'm not like, oh, it has to be this way.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

But it depends on what it is, right? You care about how things look. So if they don't look the way that you want them to look, you care. But you not might not care about the process, but you definitely care about it.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

But the thing is, it's not that I care, it's more like, oh, that's really hard for my brain to look at something that way. Like, I've never remade one of your spreadsheets. I clearly don't care that much, you know. Okay, and I knew they're ugly, but they're functional. Yeah. To your brain. That's mine. That's actually very true. That is so true. I look at them like that. You'll know the bread though. I don't I don't get what the spreadsheet means.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Which is such a actually, I was thinking about how last week we were trying to play with this desktop uh phone holder, and I was like, this is broken. And I hand it to you, and you're like, whoop. It's like, oh my god. But the funny part, that's the thing I keep thinking about is how you were saying, Isn't it funny how people's brains work differently? And I was thinking about it last night because we were trying to put batteries in the stupid dog toy, and like it was like we were operating. It took Brooks, Maddox, and I to do this. Okay, to be fair, Brooks probably could have thought about Maddox and I were both like having a hard time. And I was like, Oh, it's so funny, our brains just did not work this way. Where Brooks saw it and he was like, This is easy, you guys have problems. But it just, yeah, our brains are just different.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

I mean, I think about that a lot, not only in like certain like tasks, like for work or whatever, but like really trying to have such patience and grace with people as kids and everybody, when realizing like their reality they live in is not ours. Yeah. Like, not even just from like, oh, they're kids, their brains are still developing, they're little, they don't get it, like they don't understand the concept of time, even. But like, truly their existence, even us as you know, you and I, two moms, similar age, parents, mothers, very like-minded with things, still, we live in completely different realities where every scenario we approach, we're gonna have a different outlook. So, like, if you can take yourself out of things sometimes and realize, oh, that person didn't mean it that way. Yeah, I'm not saying there's not mean assholes in the world, right? And talking earlier offline, we're talking about like the whole teenage boy thing, but it's like I'm trying to have just such patience. Because, you know, Chuck was such a sweet boy. Totally. But there's times where I'm like, what is going on in your brain? Why did you think that one's why did you think that was a good idea?

SPEAKER_02 14:00

I mean, those are almost two separate topics because yes, teenagers, that's like a whole nother beast experience. Yeah, and honestly, it's like we know it, right? Like they're that's part of that's not that it's part of growing up. They have to develop their independence, they have to think for themselves, they have to push back against everything, like they're figuring out their own way and who they are, and that's part of the process. And I don't know how to parent that yet, which is why I'm buying all these books to read, because it's really like a tricky, tricky thing. But I do like have an understanding and appreciation for that. And then to your point, there's just the fact that everyone sees things through their own like experiences and their own perception, and often that's so limited, and even myself sometimes it's like like you just don't even see what you don't know. I know, and so it's wild, and it's uh you know, you have all boys.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

I have my one boy is what going through puberty right now. You don't have to experience anything that they're experiencing. Do you ever have to wake up with a heart on? You can't come in your bed, and you're like, where did that come from? Come in your sheets at night? Why does that start happening? I feel like they're at the age of 13. I was wondering because I don't actually Well, I'm so careful now. Sometimes I'll like, you know, I always like to go on the kid's bed and be like, Good morning, John. Now I'm like, I can't come and snubble next to him if he's got the boner.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

I know, I've actually thought that too. I I fell asleep and I went in the other day to get Nala out of Bruxen's room and she sleeps on Bruxen's pillow, and I let literally ended up falling asleep in there. And I did have a thought of like, oh god, he's probably like, mom, get help.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

But I'm like, I don't know, is that happening now? Maybe. I mean, our friends, you know, our friends tell us they were growing up and having sex at this age. Clearly, not even fathom.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

Oh my god, I know. I was also a late bloomer, so I just am like, I can't even know fathom. No, they're still boy. I mean, you know, you see them becoming med, and like I can look at your son especially and be like, oh my gosh, he's looking so much more mature, and like whatever. But I'm like, he's still like a boy at heart. Like inside, he's like a he's still a big kid.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

No, I think he got upset the other day. He was at George's house, and you know, I mean, George, Chuck was I mean, obviously better than Ilya in the cleaning up and clean, but there's sometimes where I'm like, Chuck wow, yeah. What like you just did whatever and left all this stuff all over the floor? Like, what? Yeah, right. He went fishing the other day. He's more forgetful. Yeah, it's not true. He usually cleans up after himself, he's just forgetful. Where like the amount of money I've spent like Ubering things back and forth. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like your foot baseball bag is here, but your cleats were in the other, like your cleats were in the bag. Why? Now I have to go send your cleats. Uh and part of it's just supposed to be like, whatever, just run in your sneakers and maybe he'll learn his lesson, but then I have a hard time, like that he hates being unprepared, he doesn't want to look different, he doesn't like he would be horrified. But maybe I do just need to let him like deal with his own whatever. But the other day he went fishing and he uses like frozen calamari. Oh yeah, and left it in his fishing bag in his room. Oh, and there was like a horrible, it was revolting, oh revolting. His room smelled like rotting fish, but he had to smell it. Well, the next day, but I think he went to school. Oh I was like, what the camera was like, what is that smell? I was like, oh, it was like a puddle of like melted calamari. Oh my gosh, that's so gross. So he's very feel good for that way. Like, I see what George is and George is like he was like fixing his dirt bike or doing something, he like left the tools out and left the whatever, and George was just on him. And Jock went out like really upset and was like, Dan, you just think I'm a disappointment. And I was like, Oh, that's such a sad thing. And George's like, no, but I I don't in any way feel that way, but this is disappointing. Yeah, and part of me is like, is that the right word? Like, is it disappointing? I feel like someone being disappointed in you. Like, I remember growing up, and my parents were never like yellers or big punishers or anything, but I always remember never wanting to disappoint them. Me too. And I feel like that's like that breaks my heart. And but is that the right word? Being like, this is disappointing that you didn't clean up screwdrivers and screws, like it or what is it? I mean, not being responsible.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

It's a good point, and I think that I see both sides, right? As a parent, like, do you feel disappointed in your children sometimes? Yes. And at the same time, I tell my I've told Ashton plenty of times, I'm like, you're not responsible for how I feel. So me feeling disappointed is actually not your responsibility, yeah. You know, like so I don't know if that's the right message. That's an interesting point. And I also think that in all reality, like our kids are just humans and they're gonna fuck up. And so being disappointed isn't really gonna change that. Like, that's just part of it. We all are human and we all fuck up, right? So, yeah, I don't know. I guess in ideal world, it wouldn't be that word. Maybe there isn't a word, maybe there is a word, but my vocabulary is not that great.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Me and they'll speak English.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

I think that the lesson is like, if you continue to do this, you are going to lose your tools, get your tools still stolen, like your fish, your room smells like fish. That's a punishment enough, right? So I always think it's hard to do in real life, but I always think like the punishment should fit the crime, right? And so yeah, and so I feel like for him, like forgetting stuff all the time, it's like, okay, this time I'm gonna pay the Uber, but next time the Uber money is coming out of your money because you're gonna pay the Uber to get the stuff back here, so that that like feels like it fits. But I don't know that there's one word.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

I think I guess maybe we should never use the word disappointed in anyone because it actually feels like I don't like I know, and I'm like, I don't know if that's just because that's a feeling I never wanted to experience growing up, so that's why it holds such weight. Yeah, me too. Or maybe it doesn't matter as much to other people.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

I think it also creates people pleasing, which I'm definitely a people pleaser in recovery. And I think there's nothing really beneficial to people pleasing.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

That's interesting too, that it does. It creates this idea that you're always doing things so no one, so everyone else is happy with you. Exactly. And that's unsustainable. It's unsustainable, and I also think it goes back to like not living true to yourself totally, yeah. Like if you're disappointed in yourself, 100% different. That's one thing. Yeah. And those are those are things that you would fix. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

And in all reality, when you realize like if you're living from a place of alignment and you're living in a place where you feel good about yourself, then that's what you're putting out, and other people will feel the same way, right? So really, I think that we I I mean, I think I grew up with this like view of like if if it's all about you, you're selfish and narcissistic.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

But in all reality, that's not what it is. Because if you're filling, if you're filling yourself up and if you're living from alignment and if you're like living so that you feel happy with yourself, then it's good for everyone, you know? It's like what's good for you is good for everyone, and all we can really do is change ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

And then I guess there's two ways to look at that. Like, I think the idea of like if you're always thinking about yourself from a selfish point of view, or I'm gonna benefit from this at the sake of others, that's kind of not great.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Okay, but that's an interesting ending you put on. Why is it at the sake of others?

SPEAKER_01 21:43

I mean, if you're maliciously doing something because it makes you win in the end, yes, but that's different because that would not be in alignment with anyone, really, because it doesn't feel good, right? Like to me, that's automatically misalignment. So, what are you saying though? Doing just acting in ways that make you feel like Whole?

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah, I feel like when I am really like focused on my internal work and making myself like the best, happiest, healthiest human that I can be, that benefits everyone around me. And so if I was like maliciously doing something, it would be out of alignment, I think, by nature. I think by like, I don't know, I guess that's a belief that at the core we're all good.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, I think that's what I was struggling with. Like if there's people that are doing acting that way, they're not good people. Do we think they exist? I struggle a little bit with this whole think about even like the horrible things happening in the world right now. Illy said to me the other day, Mom, you know this Epstein guy? Oh, no way. He looks like such a fun grandpa. Oh god. Did you know he was eating babies? And I was like, what is happening? Where did she hear this? She's like, one of my friends at school told me. And I was like, okay, great. Like, what is and not to totally switch gears. We were talking about like you. Totally. Like, I was thinking, like, okay, how do I talk about this with her? Yeah. Such like a like, there's things you're like, okay, you always want to be honest with your kids. And I know you guys are especially open and and honest. But like, are there things that they just don't need to know?

SPEAKER_02 23:25

So actually last night, um, Ashton was not at the dinner table. Maybe this is two nights ago, but whatever, we started talking about sleeping over other people's houses. And how I would not sleep out. They do. I let them sleep, sleep over. However, I really like to know the parents well and like have a you know, be and I said I was like, I have to feel good about yeah, that or else you don't sleep over.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

And they were like kind of asking why. And I was like, you know, there's there's just a lot of people who do bad things, and that's just the reality. I said that and I I talked to them about being molested. Like, I was like, there's a lot of people that are molested, and they were like, what is that? And so I explained a little bit. I was like, it's when an adult does something sexually to a child. And I mean, it's hard because it's like you don't want to shatter their whole world, but I'm like, you need to know that this happens, and you never like don't let an adult ever, you know, trick you or talk you into doing something that doesn't feel right or anything like that. And yeah, I don't know. I think that I think there is evil in the world. There's 100% evil in the world. I think that how much we share with them depends on how old they are and what comes up and what they're dealing with.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

And I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer, but but you know, Illy's like a wanderer all the time. Yeah. But I've had to say they're like Illy at a you can't just be five aisles away from me at a target. And the crazy thing is, is like you say that and you're like, but we live in a major city. Yeah, Florida's like one of the number one kidnapping states in the country. And I mean, if that target in in Midtown, a friend of mine was telling me that it wasn't them, it was one of his friends. He's like, Yeah, my friend was at Target the other day with this two little girls, and some girl literally came up and grabbed her daughter and tried to run out of the store. My god, the kidney goose phone. I know horrible. And she obviously like freaked out and ran after him, like y'all yanked her away, but like like right in front of you. So it's even like an aisle or or two down. Yeah, so like bad things happen, obviously, 100% all the time. But yeah, the idea that some people are not good people often actually veered away from like the the conversation we were.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

No, it's okay. It's like it I mean, actually, a friend of a friend had an experience at Disney where they somebody essentially like took their daughter, took them into the bathroom, changed their clothes, did something to her hair, and uh literally abuse talking about this.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Wait, this is a friend of yours? I have a similar story.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

A friend of a friend. A friend that I know from college, they had them to their daughter. I have a similar story. But they they got them before they got out of the park, thankfully.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

How did they get them before they got out of the park?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I think that the parents like went went and they have cameras all over Disney. And so I think they were monitoring, and I think that they how old was the child? I don't know, but I want to say like five, like little. It was her daughter. It was not my friend's daughter. Oh, it was her friend. It was a friend of her friend. I don't know them, but it was a friend of a friend.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

I was like, I'm uh so I have a friend, a friend of mine, one of her friends was here in Florida. We were all having dinner or something one night, and he was telling me um he does um I don't even know what you would call it. He's like a consultant that he works with companies and the government, and they they're like a consulting firm, but they help these companies identify human trafficking through it's all like done, you know, online things like through banks. They help banks identify because apparently if there is like multiple purchases at like fast food restaurants for a high amount, like if you are you know $300 every night at like a fast food restaurant over and over, size of human trafficking or feeding a large amount of people, choose yeah, and he was telling me this was like years ago, I think my kids were super little, I've never had kids yet. And he was like, Yeah, one kidnappers, one of the things they first do is they'll always take the kids, change their clothes and take their shoes off. Oh, their shoes, yeah. Like, so we like you know, we always alert, you know, Disney and all these big places that if you ever see a kid without shoes, you always stop them. It's usually a sign that they're being traffic and surrounded. Yeah, and then I so I have a friend of mine that was she was at Disney when she was little, and she's like our age now, but she was like 12 or something. It was her family and another family, and the daughter was in the stroller with a little girl that like I think she was like two or something, and was sleeping in the stroller and they turned around and bang gone. Oh my god. And they apparently like shut down all the exits at Disney. They had like one exit or two exits or something, and one of the moms was at one exit, the other mom's at another exit, and it wasn't even the mom of the kid, it was the other mom that recognized the little girl's shoes. She actually had her shoes on, and it was the shoes, but she was dressed like a boy, shaved her head, shaved her head, and drugged her to the little girl was sleeping, but looked like a little boy, but they put the shoes back on. And it wasn't even that mom, it was the other mom. Wow, that was like those. I think those are her shoes, but that's not that's a boy, that's not her because I think on the people at all.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Terrifying, terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Oh my god, I air tagged my kids one year. I was like terrified at Disney. Yeah, because I had this thought before we left, and then my friend told me the story after. Yeah. Because I was like, oh my god, I was a little crazy and like try put taggers on my kids at Disney. She's like, it's not crazy, and then told me that story.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Honestly, it's not a bad idea. We're going we're going to Disney soon, and it's not a bad idea. I only worry about Ashen at this point. I feel like my older boys are big enough.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Like, I put the tracker because my friend said they take their shoes off and put the tracker in their socks. Sock. Oh, that's nice. So I made them put it like in the arch of their foot because I had this thought and I was like, well, now I have to do it. Totally. Once you have the thought, you have to do it. Yes. I'm like, well, then if something happens, I'm gonna look back and say, oh my god, I like I knew it and I had this like gut feeling, and then I didn't do anything about it.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

I know, and sometimes I feel like those voices are like divine intervention, it's like yeah, God speaking to you to do something. So if you don't yeah, you have to do it at that point.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

I mean, it's interesting that idea of like trusting your gut, yeah, because apparently there's like like science behind it. Like all the serotonin that is in your gut, and that it's like what connects to, I forget, I like looked into it once. We have to like read it, but like that trust your gut, it's not just a saying, it's not just that. Well, also if you get like even more weird, like Oh, do it.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

I don't even really understand, but in quantum science, there is no time, yes, and so time is all linear, and so essentially sometimes I'm like, oh, is it like your future self who already knows essentially what's happened because it's all happening?

SPEAKER_01 30:12

But it's funny because you're using the word future, but there is no future. But there is no future not linear, it's all happening at the same time, right? Multiple versions of what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yes, which is like so hard for me to grasp, but but then I'm like, okay, so those like little voices, like maybe it is on some time conundrum, like it's like I don't know, like yourself telling yourself essentially what's gonna happen or to how to avoid it, you know. And in the quantum, there's infinite possibilities. So it's like, okay, that's one possibility, but the other possibility is completely different.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

I know. I have a really hard time wrapping my head around that idea. Oh, me too. That like there is no time, it's all happening at the same time, yeah. And infinite versions of what's happening here.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

It's so hard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

But do you feel like when you go do dispensa, that like you find it easier to tap into that idea and that there's like infinite 100%, and that you can and like manifesting.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

We realize actually. So this so I did a dispensa retreat recently, and um it's interesting because I realized how many though? You've done a few. So this is what? This is my fourth. Okay, yeah, I'm clearly big thing. Yeah. Shout out Joe. Yeah, really. Much love. Um, but yeah, it was actually it was a four-day retreat, and on like the third day, I realized I was like, Oh, how interesting. We haven't really done like any like manifesting meditations, and then I realized it's because I mean she teaches so much, and the cool thing about Dispenses is there's so much science now to not be just doing. So people can make fun of it all you want. You can call it woo, you can call whatever, but like there's like so much data now, and like things that are insanely impossible that happen. Yeah, but but yeah, you're you're essentially like tapping into the energetic field that we are, and that's where like it's the unknown, but it's where all possibility lives, and like you just you raise your frequency so much higher, you can feel it in the room. They actually have um, I don't know what they are called, but they have these like devices in the room that measure coherence in the room, and so it'll take like a day for the group, and I'm talking like 1800, 1900 people in a room, yeah, meditating, and then like essentially it goes into coherence where the number the machine is supposed to spin out random numbers and it it won't, it'll develop a pattern within like a day, and so cool, and but you can feel it like that. The room, I mean, I like my meditations are so dramatically different than when I come home because you have this shared amazing energy, yeah. But it's wild.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

I think you know that idea, you know, obviously, like the energy is everything, and and well, what that really means and how we're all connected. And I I remember when Michael came back from Iowa Bufo when he did the bufo treatment, which Bufo for anyone that doesn't know, it's just frog that lives in I think it's like one place in Amazon, maybe I would I would say so, but I don't know. And there's poison on the back of their necks, these frogs that they that the you know, these shamans go and they get the poison off the back of their frog, and it's very hallucinogenic that's used as a you know medicine. And when he went to go do that ceremony, he came back, and and it's funny because a lot of people say this, uh and to me it's so interesting because again, it's going back to like what your brain can perceive and comprehend. And I remember him saying, like, it's hard for me to really talk about and explain what happened because it's doesn't exist where we live. Yeah. And that there's no words that you can even use because they don't exist in our vocabulary to describe what you see. But I do remember the one thing, and I've always said this about like God, like you know, I don't particularly go to church and I wasn't raised like religious, but I've never been like an atheist, yeah. But I've always felt like God, and there's something bigger than me, bigger than us that connects all of us, and it's some kind of energy. And what is it? I don't know. And he was like, It's love, it is love, it is love. And then he's like, That's what I saw, that's what I realized. You realize, see how everything is connected 100%.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

Honestly, I've experienced that both through meditation, deep meditation. And that's I mean, that was like the one, the biggest takeaway from my most recent one was just like you feel this overwhelming sense of love and like unity that's just beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

But I've experienced it during psychedelic um. That's what I was gonna ask. It's in mushroom journeys. If you've ever experienced things that you're like, oh, I don't even know how to talk about them.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

100% there aren't words, and even actually, I've thought about it afterwards, but like after I came out of my last soul sign journey, and um, I was still able to see all the colors and you see the patterns of everything connected, and essentially, like everything is connected, everything's interconnected in this giant web that we can't see, right? It's like how cell phones, you know, are able to send signals, like there's signals all around us, but but you when you're I was coming out of that journey and I could see it, I could see the colors and and then how everything interweaves. And I mean it's crazy. Like Dr. Joe says that we actually only can see we can we can see less than one percent of what's what's our reality, right? So like 99.9% we don't see, which is wild, right? And so there's so much more to it.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

And it's funny because I feel like a lot of people think, oh, you do mushrooms or you do psychedelics, or you know, you do something that's mind-altering, yeah. And calling it mind altering, yeah, versus like mind opening 100%. Because it's not like you're seeing and it's making things up and see. I mean, maybe there's an extent. I mean, I don't think like the devil that I saw outside of my window when I was tripping on acid in high school, like, was that really there? I don't know, maybe it was. Maybe some kind of evil spirits were lingering. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know either. So I think there's a sense of yes, you're hallucinating, but I think it also really does open your brain and let us use more, more of it that we can see, even like things about animals, what animals can see and hear and smell and sense that we don't 100%. Yeah, and it's different, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

But you know, I think the problem is we grew up in this war on drugs time where it's like this is your brain on drugs, and drugs is a very broad topic. And so we're taught that like all drugs are one category, and I think that that's just wrong. Like, if everyone was doing psilocybin mushrooms or MDMA, there would be no war, there would be no fighting, like there just wouldn't. Like, it's not that. Like, I remember when I first did my very first mushroom journey and I was very nervous, and it did a big dose, not as big as my last one, but but I how many grams do you remember? Yeah, I did three grams my first time, did five. Do you remember what kind of mushroom? Um, I couldn't tell you the strain. But I can find out next time, which will be not too long at the end. Um, but literally in the very beginning, I was like anxious, and and like this sounds so stupid, but it was like the mushroom talked to me in the very beginning, and it was like, do not be afraid, I am love. And that is what I felt throughout my entire journey. It's like I come from the earth and I am love, and it is, and so that is very different than heroin and crack and cocaine, like it's just a very different frequency, like they're not all the same. You can't you can't do that. Those are all mind-altering, but like psilocybum and mdma, and by the way, I don't even think you need these necessarily. You can achieve the same things through breath work and through meditation, it's just different routes to getting to the same place, which I think I've experienced through all different ways, but but it's just not they're not apples to apples, like we need to stop putting them in the same category.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

No, they're not at all. The fact that mushrooms are of what is it, class A, class one, whatever the top is, is with like heroin and cocaine. Mushrooms are it's equally, yes, it's articulate. I know, I know, which I think it's supposed to be that they're highly addictive and they have no um benefits, which is neither true. Neither addictive. Yeah, mushrooms. And then you know, then I go down my like conspiracy theory hole where I'm like, well, you can't patent it. Big pharma doesn't want people to know that they actually work and can use these.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

By the way, it's more effective than antidepressants, which is a billion dollar. No, they did there's a study that that mushrooms, I'm gonna like get some of the percentages off on I'm not looking at the paper, but roundabout enough. That mushrooms compared to an SSRI, so selective serotonin, reuptake inhibitor, any of those anti-anxiety antidepressants, that mushrooms are 10, if you were to do a heavy dose, like you know, like a like a drack, like you're saying, 10,000 times more effective than an SSRI.

unknown 38:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

10,000. That's insane. And then I think about from like a micro-dosing standpoint. So, like, all right, if that's 10,000 times, and let's say you can just microdose and you do 10 times less for a microdose, that's even a thousand times more effective if you're micro-dosing. Major. And the efficacy that when people, when they have people that do psilocybin journeys and the benefits they get from it, that it works in like 96% of the people that they tested versus SSRIs are only effective in like 38% or some crazy low number, where that's why they're like, oh, this one didn't work for you, try this one, this one didn't work, try this one, try this one.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

And by the way, there's a bunch of side effects with the SSRIs that you're not gonna have with the mushroom. Oh, of course, you know, but it's just so interesting. It's like, I mean, even my mom. Yeah, I was like, even my mom who I adore, and I'm not talking bad mom, I love you to death so much. But you know, like my mom lives with cancer, right? And so interestingly, when I was at Dispenza, the last person that was in my coherence healing, where basically you're around a person there on the floor and you're all meditating to essentially change the field so that they heal. And so interestingly, the last lady I had, um, when she sat up, she was lovely, she talked to us and she said, um, she's already healed, she already healed from metatastic breast cancer. And I was like, Oh my gosh, my mother has metatastic breast cancer. Yeah. And so I had this overwhelming like desire that my mother would be there. And so after the retreat, like I told my mom, it's like, how wild, like this lady healed herself from it. And and she said she wasn't able to get chemo because it wasn't like the can't kind of cancer she had, like, if they told her it wouldn't be effective. And so I mean, she said, I was like, How long did it take you? And she said essentially it took her a year to to heal from metastic breast cancer. She's like, and then I stopped doing the work and it came back, and then I started doing the work and I'm cancer free again. It's like it's massive.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Does your mom think that you're like loopy and that that kind of stuff would never work, or do you think she's open to it?

SPEAKER_02 40:52

That's the thing, she doesn't do it, and I don't think she thinks I don't think it comes. You're like, mom, you're coming with me. I want you to do this recreation. I think she thinks she can't do it. That she can't like get to that higher vibration? That she can't focus her mind long enough to do it, to do the work. I had her like early stages, I was like, that's why I got into Dr. Joe through through this whole process of her getting diagnosed. And I asked her, Will you meditate with me? And I did like a 23-minute one, and she's like, that's really hard for me. It was just hard for her.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

So I think she's just thinks that she can't do it. But I do think that if you're just like, I think meditation is something that does take time to even get comfortable with and be able to be in a space that you are can clear your mind like that. No, it takes hard to do it one time and think I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Yeah, and it's a practice, that's why it's called a practice because sometimes I mean there's a sign there, it says like there's never a bad meditation. And while I don't think there is because it's always beneficial, you 100% have days where it's really hard. Like it's just hard to sit, hard to stay focused. It's hard. You can't expect to sit down and immediately like tap into an hour meditation without like your body trying to fight back because it's not the way it goes. You know, you make yourself sit and you start with five minutes or you start with 10 minutes, and every time that you sit there and you complete the meditation, you're essentially telling your body, like, I'm in charge here, you're not in charge, and you go longer and longer and longer. But I don't know, for whatever reason, my mom's just not, and I I understand like people resonate with different things, like for whatever reason, Dr. Joe just resonates with me, and maybe it doesn't resonate with her, but it's not like she's doing some other meditation either. It's just I don't know, it's just not her thing, not open to it. I'm not entirely sure.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

I think that the idea that meditation or breathwork or things that we think can like shift our energy, certain vibrations, you know, whatever it is. Yeah, I think that those ideas to someone that just isn't even open to the concept, it sounds crazy. Oh, 100% is weird. It sounds crazy. Like, no, you go to the doctor, yeah, get your blood work done. Yeah, it's not realizing that our bodies are just like this vessel that happens to carry us, who's really us, your soul, your energy. 100% that just occupies our body. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

I saw on Instagram the other day a story about butterflies and how butterflies go from chrysalis to a butterfly, which you probably do know all this.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

So I didn't know that essentially the chrysalis disintegrates completely, except for the nervous system, their their breathing tubes. Well, like the caterpillar inside of the chrysalis because the chrysalis stays.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

That's the outside, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Well, there's like different stages. So when they say basically like the very first caterpillar stage, and then it then it forms a chrysalis, and inside of the chrysalis, yes, it the there essentially dissolves and leaves only those parts and these certain cells that have a memory and and carry the blueprint for the butterfly.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

And so everything else dissolves, and they essentially just recreate their entire body, which is super fucking cool.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

It's not like the caterpillar body becomes the butterfly body and it just grows wings out, no, which I think everybody thinks that.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Yeah, no, it's like it's It's basically like goes away and then rebuilds itself with the blueprints of what it is. And then I go in on this like kind of tangent of like what else is cool, right? I found these fish. I found these jellyfish that essentially can go back in time to like be like babies again. And so they can essentially almost live forever because oh my gosh, we have whining dog. Come on.

unknown 44:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Are you happy now? Um, so the the the anyway, these jellyfish that essentially can like live forever because they can like regenerate themselves. But I'm like, if these animals that are like are are able to do these things, like certainly we are too, we just haven't really learned. No, except for when you're at these retreats with Joe with Dr. Joe, you're like literally like somebody grew back a thyroid, somebody grew back a colon. Like insane things are happening. You're like, oh, of course we're capable.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

We just like forgot how the other week, which was you know, but was such like a surprise, insane privilege. Because I love him and I've been doing his breath work for like six years now. And when Paul was at her knee, I showed out at the show in my laptop, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:12

That's the best. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

When Pop was at the house, yeah, and obviously, you know, people don't know what they call him the Iceman. He holds tons of different world records for you know cold exposure. And they're doing impossible things, essentially. Doing impossible impossible things, like people scientists injecting E. coli into his system and him able to like through breath work alchanize his blood enough that it to like kills the bacteria. Not only him doing it, they because then the scientists were like, well, it maybe it's just you like you have, and he's like, No, I can teach anyone to do it. So they have 10 people come in, he taught them how to do this breath work, two-day workshop, and they were also able to do it. It's like and he had these two little boys come that had tumors, and he was able to do cold exposure, breath work that build their immune systems enough they could actually get chemo because they didn't get chemo before. And I know everything sounds so uh outrageous, or like the machine that's at the wellness center at the school that you know the vibrations kill cancer cells, or they like right this isn't so perfect and crazy, right? It's like proven that these actually that these things work 100%. So it's like if just our thoughts and our vibration and our energy can cure diseases, yeah. I just think like on a simple level every day, how you know that how can that affect your life, your kids, like how can you always be vibrating and being like the best version of yourself to your point earlier, yeah. Being the best version of yourself, so you're there for everyone else. And listen, I struggle with it all the time. We're like, oh, I can't go to the gym because I need to do this, this, and this, I have to work. I can't, and I struggle with that like taking care of myself first to show up for everybody else. Yeah, but you have to.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

I mean, it's you know, it does, it's not a magic pill, it's definitely like a practice that takes time and commitment, and that's why I keep going back to Dr. Joe because like you get into everyday life and you just forget and you fall out of practice, and like it just happens and it happens, and it's like you know, continuously remembering why you want to do it. And so, you know, I'm like back on the train at getting up at five in the morning doing an hour meditation, like and like you're doing it. I've been doing it for since I got back, like and like recommitted because you do it in bed or do you go and I can't do it in bed, I'll fall asleep. Yeah, even actually, I was experimenting with coffee and not coffee beforehand. And like, I mean, it's interesting because when you're in a deep state of meditation, there's a very thin line, like you're awake, but like you're barely awake because you're like in deep brain waves, like you get into theta brain waves, which is like sleep. But but I realize if I don't drink coffee, like I will essentially like have no memory of meditation because I'm essentially sleeping. So if I have a coffee beforehand and I have to sit up, then um then it feels more powerful in it in any. Yeah, and I'm like, I am a better person. And I was just like reading today about how like your vibration around you like affects everyone, everyone, because you know, you're essentially regardless of whether you're even cognizant of it, you are emitting a frequency, yeah, and that a frequency has effects on the people around you, and so it's like but I think even like the simplest form where people are like energy, woo-woo, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Totally, like in the simplest form, when you meet someone, yeah, isn't there something inside of you that's like oh the person's kind of cool or weirdo, totally clear, yeah, like that is your energy recognizing someone else's energy and whether or not you feel like it it connects 100%.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

So we know waffles. And I think that the point is not everyone, you know, I'm not saying like everyone needs to do an hour meditation, like that's not for everyone, anyway, but it's like how can you, and the answer is different for everyone, right? But like, how can you raise your frequency and how can you live from that place where you like love life and you love yourself and you love others, and like and you know, that can be breath work, that can be cold exposure, that can be, I don't even know, being in nature. That can be hiking, that can be meditating, that can be a million things, right? But it's a practice because like then, like, you know, I'm like, oh, I'm feeling so good. I'm on top of the mountain, I come downstairs, my kids are literally punching each other and judging each other, and then I'm like, oh fuck, I got more work to do.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

I think about it sometimes when like it's so stressful sometimes when Jock Mo's playing baseball and it was pitching. Oh yeah. And I saw a friend of mine said in something to me recently, and they said they've done studies that show the stress that a mother feels when their son is pitching baseball is equivalent to being chased by a herd of rhinoceros. Oh my god, how do we ever calculate that?

SPEAKER_00 49:52

True, but uh yeah, that's exactly what I feel, and I can't even watch.

SPEAKER_01 49:58

And Ilya laughs at me because I like sit there with my head down and she's like, You're not even watching. I'm like, I know, I'm just sending in my energy, I'm sending my energy. Or I like won't even listen, I'll put plug my ears and I'll just like stare at them, and I just like try to send all my energy. But to what you just said, it's like, can you really manifest for somebody else? Can you shift energy for somebody else? I don't think I don't know if I'm that powerful. So no matter what your energy is, you come down, your kids are murdering each other. Like, I don't know if your meditation is gonna fix what's happening downstairs.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

It's not, but what is it gonna affect? I mean, first of all, we are all that powerful, we just don't know how to type into it. However, no, I think that what what the goal is is to control how I react. Yes, right, yes, and I know the difference. When I am tired and overwhelmed, and I'm on an agenda and they're doing whatever, it's like I'm gonna fucking kill somebody, right? Whereas otherwise I can come down and be like, hmm, and I can just approach it completely different.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

I mean, I remember when I first started like doing mushrooms and microdosing, which was I mean, how many years ago we got how long we started this like journey? And taking it because work got busy and I was having a hard time like focusing in the work and being creative and switching gears and whatever. And so Michael's like, try micro-dosing. I heard it's really good for all that like anxiety, stress, patience, like all whatever. And I was like, all right, fine, started doing it, thinking it would help from like a work perspective. And I remember being so surprised, pleasantly, because it wasn't really someone I was looking for, because I feel like you know, you know me, I'm usually pretty laid back, mom. I'm not really stressed about much. Oh, we're late, we're late, okay. It's just light, we're doing this. But even as laid back as I am, I remember thinking like like almost recognizing things, being like, oh my god, that probably would have annoyed me before. Yeah. Or like the kids are doing something that would have normally I would be like, come on, guys, like really, yeah. But finding myself like being like, Oh, there's kids, like they're they're working on something, they're figuring this out. This is part of who what they're doing, and even like friends, just like the connection, being like, oh my god, these mushrooms, that's what they're there for. Like, yeah, okay, great. I was able to sit down and you know, finish a task from A to Z and not get distracted 52 times. But really, why I started like raving about it to all of our mom friends who also now all you know all microdose, I was like, I have no idea, like your like love and acceptance for the kids, like you think you can't be more, but there is. There is a hundred percent more. It was really more about recognizing, like, okay, this is their journey, they're on, totally, and letting them like feel through it.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

My favorite example for me personally of like seeing the difference in microdosing is I remember so it's like the exact moment I was we were at our old house, and one of my sons is just a long storyteller. He's just long stories. Which one is this? My middle son, and so Chris sometimes like teaching him how to be more efficient is work. Land the plane. Remember, we're telling us the other day, land your plane, land your plane, 100%. But I had this moment where I was on, I was microdosing this specific day, and he's telling this very long story, and I had this thought, I was like, oh my gosh, he's a storyteller. Like he's going to be a storyteller, and he's gonna write books or do something with that, and like what a beautiful gift. Instead of my other self, who would be like, Can we hurry the fuck up?

SPEAKER_00 53:35

I have some more time, are you done yet? Land your plane. Actually, we need to land this plane. I know we do, I think so. The dogs are like, we're done. Yeah, that we've had it.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Dogs are trying to be on camera. I feel like at the end of the podcast, when we end, I'm like, where did we start?

SPEAKER_00 53:53

I don't remember what the topic of this was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

I think we stopped trying to have topics because but I feel like that's the chaos in our brain that I think every mom feels, so it's okay. Yeah. If we're a little too chaotic, everyone can let us know. If not, if you like it, subscribe, listen. We're here next week. Yeah, see you next week. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

We'd love your feedback. Only if it's nice. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. We're really glad you're here. You can follow the podcast on Apple and Spotify, and we're on social at Don't Tell the Kids with a bunch of underscores. Hang in there, mamas. See you next week.