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Stair Pits
What happens when a kid who lost the parent lottery grows up to find success — and then decides to write the whole thing down? Stair Pits is the podcast where author R.A. Thompson and co-host Max unpack the stories behind the memoir Stair Pits: a darkly comic look at a childhood gone spectacularly wrong. Expect real talk, sharp humor, hard-won wisdom, and the kind of honest conversation you only get between two people who trust each other. New episodes regularly — grab the book at unbreakableorigins.com.
Stair Pits
When A Tragic Childhood Becomes A Creative Blueprint
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In this episode, Max and his guest Gino Veon discuss the struggles of being a writer and the various ways authors try to get noticed. We also share some writing tips and explore the journey of how to write a novel. It's a candid look at the world of books and the life of an attention seeker in the literary realm.
We also zoom out to the bigger questions: what YouTube-born movies and micro-budgets say about the future of film, why AI probably won’t “take all the jobs,” and why human perspective and emotion still decide whether a story actually lands. If you care about AI in filmmaking, book-to-screen adaptation, dark humor in trauma narratives, or building a creative career while the tools keep changing, this conversation will give you real angles to think about.
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0:00 Cold Open And Guest Intro
5:40 Gino’s Film Path And Mentorship
10:20 First Reactions To Stair Pits
16:40 Designing Characters As Silhouettes
20:35 YouTube Movies And AI Anxiety
26:10 Tragedy Or Dark Comedy Shelf
30:40 Adapting Books And Final Plug
Imagine if you will, an author so desperate for attention he pretends to smoke a fake cigarette. This is a byproduct of the Stare Pit Zone.
SPEAKER_02Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the Stare Pits Podcast. I am today your host, I guess. R.A. Thompson is not currently with us, which is why I'm talking here at the beginning of the episode. And here we have a special guest with us today, Gino Vion, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes, Gino Vion. Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Gino, pull that mic close a little closer to your mouth. Yep. Absolutely. We want to hear everything you got to say today as a professional in your field. So Robert wants us to come on today, right? Yeah. He's out of tag. He's in Kentucky, tasting the bourbon, watching the horses, enjoying the bluegrass. Have a really best life. Yeah, maybe even investing a little bit in Kentucky's NIL fund, you know. But but we'll see, you know, we'll see what happens there. Um so yeah, he wanted me and you to sit in today and talk a little bit about some of the projects that we have coming up involving the Sarah Pits podcast. Okay. You are now getting pulled into this world.
SPEAKER_01Now he pulled me into this now. He wants me to uh kind of work on some of his ideas that he has. I know um he has a lot of ideas, but you know, kind of get into some of the ideas he has. He wants me to uh he kind of wants to do narration over the book and read some of the chapters and kind of have um some little skits going on. That's uh that's what's going on in the book. So he wants me to kind of do that and he wants to talk over it. And so yeah, I'm excited to work start to work on that.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, so let's talk a little bit about uh about your background. Okay. Okay. When it because like you said, you're gonna be involved on the filming side of some of these things, right? What we want to do is start narrating, you know, a chapter or two at a time for people to do that. And he wants you to create some AI animation, right? That can go on top of the different things that we read, okay? Instead of just our ugly mugs sitting there that people gotta look at as we're reading it, right? So tell me a little bit about your your background in film and everything's like that. You're currently a film student. Yes, sir. Here the prestigious Utah Tech in Sunny St. George, correct?
SPEAKER_01Yes, sir. So I have been uh I've been studying film for about two years now at Utah Tech. And um I recently kind of got into like the editing part of uh of the film and um get just get a little bit into AI. And so um I told Robert about that. I told Robert that I was studying film and I was studying the um, you know, the editing and AI part of of um film. So yeah, he taught he talked to me about his new project, his book, uh Stair Pits, and wanted to bring me on and you know, kind of make his vision come to life and create it. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. And it isn't fantastic that he gives younger people like us a chance to to succeed and to and to grow in the areas that we're interested in. Absolutely. I mean, I mean, my my area of of interest and expertise has been in front of the camera, behind the microphone, doing things like that with sports broadcasting and other things as well. You have some interest in film, you're also on the football team at Utah Tech. Yes, sir. Okay, I mean you suffered a gruesome injury here. I don't know if we can see the knee brace, but dislocated your kneecap and spring ball, so you're gonna be out this season. But but the way that he's able to, you know, we've talked multiple times on this podcast about Robert being a mentor to us younger people, right? Not only just giving us simple advice, but giving us a chance to practice the career that we want to go into.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Um, yeah, Robert is is such a wonderful and great man, and he's so wise too, obviously. He's so successful and such a successful man. So I'm just so um appreciative that he gave me this opportunity and maybe just to get my foot in the door with absolutely in the film industry and stuff. And I um I'm so excited to work on you know his book and you know make his vision come to life. And you know, I'm so grateful for this opportunity that he gave me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you can stamp this on your resume as well. And he's gonna hate everything you just said, which is why I love the fact that you said he hates he hates compliments, right? Yeah, but um uh but no, he's a he's an awesome dude. I I I think I think he's fantastic as well, of course. Um what piqued your interest, what what made you want to dabble and get into film in the first place?
SPEAKER_01Well, grow you know, growing up, I've always loved movies and TV shows and stuff. And uh with my dad, we used to just sit down and you know watch movies and stuff, and it I really got into it and I really I really got into the film industry and wanted to kind of make that my career and pursue that and just kind of do what like behind the scenes of on making the movies and making these ideas come to life. And I was just very interested in into doing that and you know working on the movies, and it's just something that I love, and I feel like you know, if you do something you love, you know, never work a day in your life.
SPEAKER_02So absolutely, absolutely. No, that's fantastic. Um, so stair pits, yeah, the book. Give me your your first impressions, thoughts, feelings on kind of what you what you thought of the book and and knowing Robert, okay, because hopefully there's a bunch of people out there who read this book who don't know Robert, right? That's the ultimate goal of this whole entire thing. That's why you and I are sitting in these chairs today, right? So that we can create a space where everybody knows about Robert's book, okay? So you, as somebody who knows Robert, is going to view this book a little different than somebody who's never met him. Yeah. Okay. So, kind of what was your overall impression of the book and kind of his story and his life, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so honestly, being two years at Utah Tech now and having Rob Robert as my mentor, you know, I always knew him, but I didn't really know him beyond face value, right? And we always talked, but but reading the book, um, it just really gave me more a lot of insight on his life and what he had to go through growing up. And and it really made me feel, you know, and know what he had to go through because you know, the book he it was very tough, obviously, for him growing up. And and reading the book and getting and you know, knowing going beyond face value, it was just it was really great. And yeah, I love the book.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, kind of kind of a a true rags to riches kind of tale, right? Um, and and knowing Robert now, and like you said, how amazing and successful of a man that he is, it's hard to picture that his parents locked him in a basement and and and fed him scrapple, right? Not even spam.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, never in a million years would I ever thought that he had to go through that before reading this book. And while reading it, it really it really hit my heart because I didn't know. Like you meet Robert and you think, wow, he's just this great funny guy talking to him. And you don't really know what someone goes through until you really get to know them. And reading the book, it really, it really hit deep down because I didn't know any of the stuff he had to go through. So it was very, very got me very emotional reading the book.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Yeah, he he is the ultimate example of two things. One, exactly what you said that you can meet somebody and not and like they can you may never know what they went through in a past life, in a former life, in a younger life. And two, he's the ultimate example of your circumstances do not decide your future.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, he was put in some terrible circumstances and did not let that define him. And now today he's the successful man and never let anything in his past kind of hold him back and hold him down and dwell on what happened in the past and kind of broke free from those chains and just became the successful, wonderful guy that's gonna be. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, so that it's kind of it's funny. None of us have an excuse, right? After meeting after meeting Robert reading this book, I'm like, shit, that means uh there's there's nothing that I go through in life. I can't, yeah, there's I don't have an excuse, right? So so it's like if this guy overcame what he overcame to be what he is today, we can't we can't really gripe about anything, can we?
SPEAKER_01We can't dwell on anything that happened in our past because I'm sure it's not as bad as what happened in the past.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Yep, 100%.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So talk to me a little bit about some of the some of the characters since you're gonna be doing some of this animation, yeah, right? Some of the characters in this book, right? Z Z Z, his mom, YYY, his stepdad, HHH, his uh um his his his father, right? Um talk to me about how do you envision some of these characters looking in some of these AI animations you're gonna create.
SPEAKER_01So I know me and Robert actually kind of talked about that, and I was kind of like, well, I don't, you know, how do you want them to look? And he kind of he kind of told me, he said, I I made it, I made their name ZZZ, YYY, because I kind of want them to be mysterious in a way. And I kind of want the viewers to have their own creative imagination about these characters and kind of let them fill in the characters for themselves instead of the book do it. So we were kind of talking about the AI animations and and like his mu his mother, ZZZ and stuff. Um he kind of wants them as a black silhouette. So that's what we were kind of talking about as a as a black silhouette, because he kind of wants the audience and the readers to interpret those characters, you know. So that's why he doesn't really say their names, because he kind of wants them to fill in the blanks and and you know, think what they want to think about the characters instead of the book kind of telling you. Now I think that's a very um interesting outlook on the on this book, and and I I kind of love it because it kind of lets the audience like decide what the what they want the characters to be, and letting the audience decide they always are gonna decide in you know the characters that they love. So I I really like the outlook and having them as a black silhouette and kind of let the audience fill in the blanks for the characters and just letting them interpret what they want the characters to be.
SPEAKER_02That's fantastic, dude. That that is very cool, and I and I think I made a mistake there. I said HHH was his was his stepfather. I believe that's his uncle. Yes, and SSS is his is his or as I said HHH is his biological dad, which that's his uncle. SS is his biological father, yes, because he basically S's, I think sobriety saved his soul. Yeah, since his father was able to overcome the alcohol and the addictions and things like that and become sober, and they were able to have a relationship on the back half of their lives. Yeah. When it comes to the film industry today, period, right? You as the younger generation, because you're even younger than I am. How old are you?
SPEAKER_0118.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, see, I'm 28, okay? So I mean, I mean, we have a decade in between us. Um so you really have the opportunity to be part of this informative, just kind of mind-bending change when it comes to the film industry. Because it's been the same for so long. Yeah. Now, all you guys are getting into AI, you're getting into YouTube movies, dabbling in all that, okay. Off air before this, we talked a little bit about backrooms and obsession. Okay, two movies I haven't seen yet, but I did see The Mandalorian and Grogu, okay. Big Star Wars fan. I know you are as well. Okay. So I went and saw that on opening night. I haven't seen Obsession yet. I haven't seen backrooms yet. Obviously, after this, I need to go watch them. You have seen those, okay, that were more created by just YouTube people, right? With a very small budget that made that have made a lot amount of money, right? I we we both read an article where backrooms on opening weekend and Mandalorian and Grogu on opening weekend, one made by you by you two people, the other made by freaking Disney, yeah, okay, were only a couple hundred thousand dollars apart in how much they grossed in theaters.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So watching Obsession and in the backrooms, it's just both terrific movies made by young directors. I think they said the director of of uh backrooms was 20 years old.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_01So so but it they started off with just simple YouTube skits and and look at them now. I mean, the the Curry Barker, the uh director of Obsession, I think it was 750k budget and grossed about 150 million dollars in the box office.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_01And just and and just to think starting off from those YouTube TikTok shorts, now creating uh this great one of the arguably one of the best horror movies out today, and on his new project, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, that they put him on. It just it just it's just great, you know, starting off having such a low budget but making such a great creation out of that. So yeah, it just it's very um hopeful, or you know, but yeah, it's great, two great movies.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and and like you said, hopeful from your perspective, of course. As someone who is young working in that industry right now, you're gonna have such a leg up on everybody. It's been interesting, this AI, you know, um universe that we are transitioning into, right? A lot of people believe that AI is just gonna take everybody's jobs. I've said no, yeah, because I think AI is not gonna take people's jobs. It's the people that understand how to use AI that's going to take everybody's jobs.
SPEAKER_01Because you're always gonna need, you know, a human perspective on things, which AI can't really give you. I mean, they can for like in the movie, they can write you a script and they can do all those kind of things, but they don't really have the the human perspective of things, and that's where it kind of lacks. And I don't think you know, AI might take a lot of jobs, but it's not gonna take all the jobs.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and I I feel like you you need a human element, human emotion to create a movie that becomes a masterpiece. Like, like, you know, there's movies that are being made fully, totally, completely just AI, and they're good, but it's like if you want like a a you know, something that tugs at the heartstrings a little bit, something like you need that human element, right? You can create just like a pure action movie out of AI, no question, right? Yeah, but it's like if you want somebody to feel something, a human's gotta be a part of it.
SPEAKER_01That human connection. Yeah, and even today, I don't know, uh uh scrolling on TikTok and Instagram reels and stuff, I'll come across like AI skits, and I get pretty invested in them. For sure. Because they're pretty good, but they do lack that human kind of connection and the you know the tragedy and the happy and you know how they how a human how they make a human feel, but they're still pretty good.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah, they yeah, they are kind of incredible. Where I'm like, holy shit, this was made by AI. Like, yeah, golly, I couldn't make this if I you know made any sort of sometimes.
SPEAKER_01I don't I have no clue that it's made by AI. That's how good it gets. Sometimes I'm like, oh, did a did a person make this? Then I find out it's AI, and I'm like, wow, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, and and that that's been my one issue with AI now is it's great, and I think it's really cool. But my one issue is every single thing that we see on the internet now is now going to be questioned forever.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely if it's AI or not.
SPEAKER_02Say somebody does like an incredible human feat, yeah, and somebody films it. The first thing everybody's gonna say is, is that AI? Yeah, like and and again, at some point, we're truly not ever gonna be able to tell the difference. Yeah, where it's gonna be like, I have no idea if this is real, yeah, right? I have no idea, like, like you know, if somebody breaks a Guinness Book of World Records or does anything, somebody could probably just create that video as an AI, yeah, right?
SPEAKER_01It takes it takes me a couple minutes to fact check it because sometimes I'm like, it's so crazy. I'm like, is that AI? Like, do I really know? But it's really just an insane something doing something insane. Yes, so and sometimes it takes me a couple couple minutes to fact-check it got going safari or look through the comments a little bit to see, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah, so no, it's it's it's crazy in that world. But back to stair pits, right? This is event, this is a very emotional book, yeah, right. Like you said, made you emotional, kind of tugs at the heartstrings a little bit, does those types of things. Um, how would you describe this book? Like, if you like one of the things Robert's asked me, I'm sure he's asked you the same question. If you were to put this into a section in a bookstore, right, where would you stick it? Because he, as the writer, views this as having a lot of humor in it, right? Yeah. His wife views it as a complete and total tragedy. Yeah. As you know, like the fact that the man that she's married to and loves was abused like this as a kid, right? Very hard to read, and so she doesn't view it as funny at all. Yeah, right. I'm sure you and I can sit on the lens of like, hey, this is tragic and dark, but because we know Robert, we can see the humor lying in it as well, right? There's some parts of it where I've laughed my ass off being like, hey, that's that's a Robert joke. That's funny, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, and so so it's really blended and mixed in there. If you were to put it in a category, where would you stick it?
SPEAKER_01I think for the viewers, I would definitely put it in tragedy. Because, like you said, us knowing Robert, we know his type of humor, but not really knowing Robert, you would think this is a tragic book and hits close to the heart. So I think I think I would put it in the tragic session or section, only because it's just such a such a tragic upbringing. And you know, we will see the the Robert's jokes knowing him, but other people, you know, probably wouldn't see that. So I think it's yeah, definitely a tragic section.
SPEAKER_02And and this also isn't I know one of one of RA Thompson Roberts' worries was um this coming off as kind of a woe is me sob story, right? Yeah, I don't view it like that at all. I view this as someone telling their life story and it happens to go the way that it went, right? Do you how do you how do you view that?
SPEAKER_01Well, not at all a sob story at all. Because yeah, what happened was tragic and was sad, but I mean, look at him nowadays. I mean, no one's crying for him, no one's no one's doing nothing like that. He is just uh he didn't let what happened in the past define him and hold him back, and he achieved everything on his own and worked for everything he has. So I don't think it's a a sob story at all. And I think it's kind of an upcoming story, and how his childhood and his past shaped him today and made him the man he is today and the successful, successful man he is today.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I mean it it it it's almost like at face value a story of tragedy, yeah, right? But then once you dig into it a little bit and maybe learn a little bit more about R.A. Thompson, then it almost becomes a story, uh, a success story. Yeah, absolutely. A story of overcoming the trials and tribulations that that life has to bring us. And again, it's a hell of an example of hey, if R. A. Thompson made it through this, I can make it through a lot of the trials that I go through in life as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it's also a book of hope. I mean, if say uh someone's going through the same things, uh, they have hope to look forward to because he didn't he didn't let what happened define him, and he got through everything and he didn't give up and he kept persevering. So it's also a book of hope, you know. So looking at it, they people always have something to look forward to, and everything always gets better. Yes, always ever always gets better, no matter how hard it is throughout your life, everything will always get better and work out. You just can't let what happens define you.
SPEAKER_02100%. And you you can you can you can end up making something of yourself no matter what. Absolutely, right? Absolutely. So, Gino, what is um my what is your ultimate goal when it comes to film and things like that? Do you want to be a director? Do you want to be a writer? Do you want to be someone who stars in films? Kind of where you have the hair for it. Thank you. Okay, so you got that going for you. I do not. All right, I mean, unless unless you really want to shine it up and we can go from there. But um uh, what do you want your ultimate goal to be when it comes to your filmmaking process career? Again, you're 18 years old. I'm sitting here at 28. I would I hate it when I was 18, and people would say, You have oodles of time, brother. You got and I would feel like now that I became an adult, yeah, I gotta scramble to figure it out. I'm sitting here at 28 saying, You got a second to figure it out, and you got a long college football career ahead of you as well. Hopefully a successful one.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um, so what's your ultimate goal when it comes to your film career?
SPEAKER_01I think my ultimate goal would be in like the cinematography area of film, you know, kind of recording and capturing the movies and kind of bringing them to life. I think having my aspect on the movies and kind of putting my little touch on, you know, how the movies recorded and filmed, I think that's something I would like to get into and just um just working on the movies and kind of recording and you know, bringing them to life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. When it comes to the the different movies and films you want to make, do you want to? I mean, because I know it's it's again it's 50-50 right now in the movie industry, whether you want to stick to the old ways that have always worked when it comes to pure human element, you know, the the Christopher Nolan, Dark Knight Rises. We're gonna make sure all the effects are real, yeah, right? Like, like, like, like uh or the Dark Knight movie trilogy, which I think is the greatest trilogy in cinematic history. Like in the dark night, when Heath Ledger's the Joker blows up the hospital. That's real. They didn't one take, they had one take. It's all real, right? Yeah, especially. you tell when he was he was trying to press the button it wasn't working by the first time yeah yes so are you someone who who wants to kind of keep that alive even though ai is here or are you someone who in all of your films upcoming in your career and things like that do you always want to integrate a part of AI? Kind of which side do you fall on?
SPEAKER_01I I would like to I would like to kind of keep the old aspect you know I grew up watching all those movies and I love how they're recorded and filmed and how the actors are acting in the movies and I would but I'm not I'm not opposed to you know switching over to the AI side because the world's always changing and uh technology's always upgrading and um yeah I I wouldn't be opposed to switching over to that side but I do love the classic side of bringing the human emotion and the real special effects and Christopher Nolan's movies are great. I love watching you know Interstellar has some of the best cinematography I've ever watched. So that's really inspired me.
SPEAKER_02So the that the old side for sure okay yeah absolutely and like like you said it brings that that emotion to to human and to film and and all those aspects but like you said but also being able to adapt with the times yeah like you said as well where it's like the as you move through your career you're going to have to know all the AI things or at least surround yourself with people who are who still keep up again you're young you are up to date with everything that's going on someday you'll be old and you'll have to find other people to help you adapt um and and move through things that way um what is your take on books in general okay yeah as a guy who's 18 years old again Robert red wrote this book for young people who don't like to read yeah right the chapters are really short he structured it in a way that's easy to read there's even top 10 lists in there that keep you engaged okay from it I've sat in this chair and he's asked me what does your generation think of reading Max I'm gonna ask you what your generation as someone who's 10 years younger than me how do you view picking up a a a cover like a real true book with your hands you can touch and feel opening it and sitting there and reading a chapter book how do you how do you feel about that absolutely my generation obviously doesn't really like to read but I think what's so great about Robert's book is that like exactly like you said he keeps it and structures it in a way to where you don't really get bored while reading especially you'll read a whole page and and you'll really feel it and then he'll give you a top 10 list that you start laughing about and you're like oh that's funny.
SPEAKER_01So you it's it's it's for people who don't like to read it's really a great book for that because you never are really bored while reading the book. You know the top 10 lists are funny and the characters of interest are funny and it gives you insight on his life and and stuff like that. So it's it's for from a person personally who doesn't really love to read but still reads it's it's I never once feel like I'm reading and I feel like I'm just having a good time while watch uh while reading the book.
SPEAKER_02100% absolutely let me read the back of the book here for the people who who are still tuned in and we appreciate you still being with us and watching this far. Okay. It says Stair Pits by R.A. Thompson deeply moving and intensely personal this novel delves into complexities of growing up unseen and unheard capturing persistence amidst adversity with a dark humorous darkly humorous approach. This unforgettable first installment invites readers into a raw authentic journey a powerful exploration of pain strength and the desperate longing to be understood okay it even has top ten lists on the back okay where it says over 68 topic lists not including this one nine first time you read it drama eight second time you read it rich and darkly humorous like you said as you get more deeper into it it becomes a little bit funnier seven learn the origins of Z Z Z YYY and HHH's names six novel approach to the novella five no chapter longer than five hundred and fifty words or one page like you highlighted four facts about Alfie and why my aunt killed him that draws you in right there what the hell happened there three authentic account of creation the stair authentic I see I need to learn how to freaking read holy hell authentic account of creation this uh of the stair pits two high quality dymo dab oh high quality dymo labeler porn sucks you in again right there no pun intended pause okay you wow um you and I being younger can understand that one quirky self-published memoir of life as a chicken boy okay so again a lot of fantastic things to pick up and read in the stair pits and and one of the more intriguing things that that I've ever read in my life as well and also it's it's cool too this is the first time I've ever known somebody yeah who's actually published a book yeah right to be able to sit in the same room with them talk with them kind of kind of delve into whatever what was their process behind writing this right would you want to start dabbling into now that you're gonna start doing this yeah right would you ever turn your focus into hey let's find some old books yeah that haven't been made into movies pick them up yeah and either one make them into full films or two do a little bit of a breakdown in AI format of them like you're gonna do with Robert would you ever want to get into the the book side of these I think some of the best movies come from books that are written and then made to life I think one of my favorite movies The Great Gatsby you know a book that was made into life was is absolutely I would love to get into that I mean books tell such a story and being able to kind of make that into a creation and your own project is such a beautiful thing and I always think they come out great. So absolutely I would love to do that yeah absolutely well and and that and that's fantastic by the way that is awesome um it's crazy how it's you know again I'm 28 you're 18 reading kind of gets lost yeah in in both our generations right but it's interesting every time I pick up and because I don't read that often either Robert I met Robert when he first became a mentor over Utah Tech with the football team and he wrote that book because of the us that he met where none of us said we really read so this is why this book's been written but every time I so now every time I pick up a new book again doesn't happen that often but the the things that run through my head how I project these characters looking sounding doing all those things like this is like a movie. Yeah where it's like you create the own the your your own vision in your head absolutely like you said you want to do the the just the black silhouette so people can create it for their own selves. Absolutely and so it's insane where you can I mean and I'm sure you as a film guy has a much more creative mind than me. Hopefully you don't take too many hits to the head in college like I did and your brain's just kind of effed up into Swiss cheese. But I'm still able to read and be like I can see this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah you know how how does as someone who's into film how does it work for you when when you read something absolutely going through the reading the book I I just when something I just hits me and like trying to picture it like like the scene where his his uncle goes out drinking when he takes him to the baseball game and his his uh right grandma is taking him home I could just picture in my head kind of like his grandma driving the car and him in the back being silent you know just going through the book and reading these chapters and all these I just the the scenes I kind of fill in the blank like he wants us to to and the scenes just start popping into my head and how I want to start creating them. Because I wasn't there and I don't know what the the houses look like and what the people look like. So it I just start to fill in the blanks and kind of picture what I want it to look like. And that's what's so great about the book is is because I kind of picture it what I want to look like and what I enjoy. So yeah just going through the book and reading the scenes I kind of start to picture you know what's going on and what they're doing and picture how I can create it and make it come to life. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's very cool man. Yeah I wish I wish I had that that type of of creative mind and motive within myself. Gino last question for you today.
SPEAKER_01When it comes to stair pits and what you're gonna do with the animation side is this going to be kind of your springboard if you will right your your first attempt at doing something like this when it comes to creating and putting up images yeah based off of something that you've read or something that someone is saying and kind of creating this this AI animation or have you dabbled in that before this attempt so I haven't I have dabbled in it a little bit but yeah I'm so excited to have Robert's book come to life and it kind of have his ideas you know like I go and I I go and I ask him I say how do you want this scene to look or how do you want me to bring this to life and he gives me all these ideas like the silhouettes and the fill in the blanks so I'm I'm so excited just to take what he wants me to do and make it come to life and try to do it the best to my best ability and yeah just just do it to the best I can and you know really make his story and his creation come to life in a way that the viewers can watch it and listen to it at the same time. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02100% my man and I know I'm sure Robert as a film guy Robert's probably talked to you about this as well ultimately he wants this to you know possibly become a TV series. Right? I mean because you read this book and you're like shit I could pull two or three seasons oh for sure out of something like this when it comes to kind of the the drama tragedy pain overcoming all those different things can be pulled right from here.
SPEAKER_01So you know if this works out he'll probably have you direct his freaking his TV series as well you can you can be another another Netflix star out there as well so um Gino that's all I have for you today my man do you have anything else you'd like to say while you're uh behind the coveted microphone you're actually sitting in Robert's seat yeah okay you so you are the important man of the hour today anything else you'd like to add to to stair pits I just want to I just want to say thank you so much for having me on the podcast and I'm so excited to be on this project and you know do my part in having Robert's vision come to life and all the viewers or listeners wa watching this out there go buy Stare Pits and read it because it's a great novel and I think you guys would really enjoy it. So thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_02Ha ha your experience my man hell of a plug Stair Pits by R.A. Thompson out now at unbreakableorigins.com go buy it go purchase it and again enjoy a fantastic read that will now be coming to life thanks to Gino thank you Gino for coming on today man we really appreciate it so much for having me