Instant Gratification Has Broken Our Brains

Are kids headed for technology burnout? We discuss the future of childhood and why outdoor activities might soon replace screen time.

This conversation examines the growing trend of digital fatigue among the younger generation. If you are concerned about how modern habits are shaping development, this discussion explores the potential shift back toward nature and physical engagement. We look at the societal patterns driving this change and what it means for parents today.

By analyzing current societal trends, we identify why children may naturally start rejecting constant connectivity. This is for anyone interested in understanding the long-term impact of our digital habits and the possibility of a move toward more outdoor activities. We break down the psychological and social factors influencing this transition away from excessive screen time.

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0:00 Boredom, Tech, And Doom Scrolling
3:14 Living Water Versus Endless Feeds
8:50 Instant Gratification And The Scroll Trance
13:39 Algorithms, Sports Clips, And Old TV Habits
18:25 When Scrolling Becomes The New Normal
21:40 Esports And Watching Life Secondhand
29:06 God As The Word And Connection
35:09 Phones Down As Real Respect
39:14 TikTok Dating Advice Under Fire
47:01 Red Flags, Drama Energy, And Common Sense
1:00:14 Book Plug And Final Thoughts

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hopefully this is cyclical and we can get back to the point where, you know, even with technology being advanced as it is, like you said, 20 years from now, kids will be so tired and bored, it'll be so ingrained in their lives that they'll want to go play outside. Yeah. That they'll want to go, you know, smell some fresh air and do those things.

SPEAKER_07 0:17

And I wonder on that because it's, you know, if if it's the same theory that you're scrolling endlessly and you don't come up with anything, at scroll number what, do you think you should come up to the realization that this doesn't work?

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Did you ever think that a sign of love, gratitude, and appreciation would simply be putting the phone away?

SPEAKER_07 0:44

Imagine, if you will, an author so desperate for attention he pretends to smoke a fake cigarette. This is a byproduct of the Stair Pit Zone. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Stair Pits podcast. I'm back in my chair after Gino sat in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Yeah. Hopefully you kept it nice and warm for you. So hopefully you're still feeling uh his warmth a little bit there that you left in your chair.

SPEAKER_07 1:20

How would you feel if I let somebody sit in your chair?

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Not very I wouldn't feel very good about it. Unless they were black. Then we'd be just fine. What if their last name was black? If they were black, but their last name was white.

SPEAKER_07 1:36

But that's common. I mean, that's common. Yeah. Right. What if they're black and their last name was like Oreo? I think that'd be pretty sweet. Well, dude, wait a good choice. Dude, you got it down today. Appreciate it. You're very talented.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

So no, it is nice to be back. Gino just there. So I'm excited about that. I met with Gino the other day. He's going to put together some examples, and then um Max and I will look at it and try to figure out how to make it do something. So we will eventually get the films out there in case you're looking for something interesting today. Not going to happen. It's just going to be us. But I did have something that I thought was kind of interesting that we could review. And it kind of goes back to the last time that you and I were together. Um we kind of ripped on uh on you know TikTok or little videos that people put out. Yeah. And one of the things that I kind of thought about was this. I'm amazed at when you look at the Bible, the stories that were written thousands of years ago are actually more valid today than at the time that they were written. Yes. It's almost as if there was divine intervention. Just saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Yeah, yeah. Pretty good uh uh theory there. Right.

SPEAKER_07 3:00

I mean, it's kind of like the idea don't shake before opening. I mean, that was really good. Yes. But that wasn't written many, many, many moons ago. I mean, that was just after things had, you know, spilled all over people.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:12

So this was written beforehand. But the thing that I kind of wanted to focus on and to lead into was the idea of early in uh Christ's ministry, he goes to the Samaritan woman and he asks her to get some water, and she kind of mouths off to him and says no, and then he says, you know, I will give you water that we will you'll never thirst again. You don't need it, that I'm giving you a different type of water. And what that I was thinking about that the other day, and I thought, how true is that when you look at the concept of doom scrolling, right, why do people constantly doom scroll on their phones because they're drinking water that doesn't quench their thirst? Agreed. Yes. Right. And so there's this endless thing of well, maybe this will entertain me. Yeah. No. Well, maybe this will entertain me. No. Maybe this will make me feel better. No. Yeah. Maybe this will no. And that whole idea of what you know, what is the thirst that you're looking for? Like what are people actually looking for? And are they even remotely capable of finding it? I mean, do they even remotely have the right tools? I mean, are they going out to try to, you know, bring back a cupful of water and they're going out with an, you know, with a fork? Well, I mean, you might bring back water, but it'll be very slow.

unknown 5:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

Right. So so I mean, it kind of you get that idea that it's not there. I do actually have a piece of trivia on uh forks. Of course. I thought you'd really appreciate it. Absolutely. You know, I love the trivia. Oh no, of course you would, sadly. So the four-tonged fork replaced the three-tong fork the same year that left and right shoes were made. Really? Wow. And left and right shoes were considered to be the greatest military invention because all of a sudden people could walk longer. The things you know. Right? Yeah. You need to have a podcast to work a lot of this stuff in.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

It's a good thing you have your own platform in order to disseminate all this amazing information.

SPEAKER_07 5:55

Oh, no, yeah, no, absolutely. Because otherwise, no one's ever going to talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 5:59

Yes. But now, you know, there'll be one person that watches this, they'll tell it to somebody and they'll lose their only friend.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

But that friend will then have a fun fact to tell at the dinner tape. I had this idiot next time they have a family dinner. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 6:14

This idiot was telling about three and four trongs. I got rid of them. That's a good thing. Yes. Yeah, that's it. Yep. But but I think that that's really it. And I mean, I I wonder as you know, as somebody who's probably doom scrolled more than I have, what when you're doom scrolling, what are you what are you looking for? I mean, what what are you hoping to drink? What are you hoping to find?

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Nothing. Honestly, nothing. Like you you're you're just scrolling to scroll. You're scrolling for a continued sense of instant gratification. That's what you're getting. 20-second video, 20-second video, picture, picture, picture, 10-second video, 30-second video, two-minute video? That's too long to watch. I gotta pass that up. 20-second video, 20-second video. You know, so it's just the constant, you know, the the constant, instant gratification, all in that one moment that again turns people into vegetables for hours on end, just staring at their phone, scrolling and looking at whatever. And finally, when you when you poke and you pull somebody out of that trance, you're like, what the hell are you doing?

unknown 7:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Nine times out of ten, it's uh nothing. Nothing. So I was just scrolling on my phone.

SPEAKER_07 7:25

Yeah. And I and I wonder on that because it's, you know, if if it's the same theory that you're scrolling endlessly and you don't you don't come up with anything, and what, you know, at scroll number what do you think you should come up to the realization that this doesn't work? You know, I mean, is it is it like five flicks, is it six flicks, is it fifty, is it like an hour's worth of I mean, uh how many times do you have to do this? I mean, if it's 20-second videos, right, so that'd be 180 in an hour. So what's the what's the number that it isn't working? Yeah. Right. And do you think people would ever just do this?

SPEAKER_03 8:24

No, without a phone in their hand, they wouldn't. Yeah. What about if this? Yeah, probably even even less so. Yeah. Because that takes two to holding both your hands up.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

Yeah, but I was just thinking that this, you know, I don't know. Do you do you flick left or right handed?

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Uh right-handed, because nine times out of ten, my my phone's in my right hand. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Or actually, that's a lie. Phone's in the left hand, and I'm doing this.

SPEAKER_07 8:46

Oh, so you're doing so it's an upward flick. I didn't even know how to flick. That's that's terrible. I was downward flicking because I was thinking, send these people to hell that are useless. But you're like, get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

See, see, Robert, I'm gonna teach you something. Okay, on social media, the downward flick refreshes the page, refreshes everything. Right. Okay. So to so to so to see everything on the page, you gotta you gotta scroll everything up.

SPEAKER_07 9:09

Oh, god.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Right? Push everything up. As you go down, you're seeing more of the stuff. If you want to, if you want to refresh, I'll go to the top, pull it all the way down, refresh new stuff. See, it's uh yeah, so what is the flick to the list goes on and on.

SPEAKER_07 9:24

What is the flick to refresh ratio?

SPEAKER_03 9:27

For me, not very high. Like, like for me, I'll just like I'll be sitting here, pop open, I'll just just click on Instagram and then just it automatically start. Like, very rarely will I scroll and then be like, huh, I want to see some some new stuff, and either hit the home button or hit uh, you know, do the scroll down in order to or the flick down in order to reset the page. So I I rarely do it. Um I feel like a lot of people don't. It's more of just like open the app, let's see what we can find, right? We're on a journey now.

SPEAKER_07 10:05

But are you but are you looking for something that inspires you, makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you think, wow, that person's got a lot of cleavage, or what, you know, is there what are you looking for?

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Depends on what comes across your page depends on what comes across your page, what comes across your feed. It's interesting because every each person has their own algorithm. Right, right, based on based on what they what they've looked up or what they what friends they follow and things like that. So a little bit of everything, honestly. For me, mine is is a lot of sports and a lot of movies, a lot of a lot of movie clips or movie references, a lot of quotes. So I so so yeah, and like you said, um I I find some inspiration in the quotes, I find the information I need in the sports, right? I find the cleavage in the you know, if there's a hot girl in a movie, right? That that comes across the screen there. And so yeah, so it's it's a a plethora, all things combined, right there in in, you know, right there in the in the palm of your hand, right? As as uh Dr. Otto Octavius says in uh in uh Spider-Man, yeah. The power of the sun. Yep, yep, the power of the sun in the palm of my hand. Right.

SPEAKER_07 11:22

He also used one of my personal favorite jokes of all time. The person that lost the uh bundle of $20 bills with the rubber band around it. We found the rubber band. Yes. See, yes, because I I love that joke. That's just one of my personal.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

I'm blown away that you've seen that movie.

SPEAKER_07 11:39

So no, I I grew up on cartoon reading Spider-Man comic book and watching cartoon Spider-Man. Yes. I could sing the Spider-Man theme song. Oh, say, no, that's the other song. I get that and happy birthday in Spider-Man. So I can do the National Anthem Happy Birthday Spider-Man and Tequila. Yes. So I have a lot of songs going on. A lot of range there, totally huge. Surprisingly, I'm never asked to perform. Shocker. It is. That's what it is. Jeez. Sadly. But but no, but but but that is interesting because like I get the fact that if you're trying to look at sports, you know, and it's let's during say during baseball season, there might be enough games that there could be something on the feed. But when you get into football season, there can't be that many feeds, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:30

There, I mean, everything is content these days, right? And with, you know, right, there's 32 teams, usually what, 15, 16 games a week. Right, right. Um, I personally am not able to catch all the highlights from every single game. I can on my phone though, right? So I'll be watching my my beloved Houston Texans playing while also scrolling on my phone, and I can I can I can catch two clips from the Ravens Bills game, a couple clips from the Browns Jaguars game, here, here, here. And yeah, like I I mean I could scroll for probably an hour straight and just it's different on an NFL Sunday, and it's just different clips from all the different games.

SPEAKER_07 13:16

You could convince me that there might be some value in that, but they also have red zone, which gives you that, which you don't have to do anything. You can just it's it's clip first. For sure. Yes. But um, but yeah, that's an interesting thing because it would never have um. Yeah, I don't think it could have ever bothered to do that. I think maybe in my generation, there is a point where it went from having like a dial to change the channels to being able to, like for the early cable boxes had a slider like this, and then you could slide it to the different channels. So if it went to a commercial, you could deal with it. And in the days that you would watch television with your parents and you were at a commercial and you thought you'd go to something else and then come back, that was never going to happen. Yeah. You know. So for me, after I learned the commercials that were likely to be shown, uh people in my generation have an incredible capacity to know what 122 seconds is. Click, click, click, click. Yeah. And you're there and back on being able to see whatever it was. And for a while I got to the point that I could turn the channels with my feet.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:41

So I mean, that way, you know, I didn't have to get up, it was even better. But once you had a remote control, I get that phase that, you know, I could watch something. And if it was a movie that I knew, and there was going to be I'd I wanted to see a scene, I'd knew approximately where that scene was, and I could turn away and then come back and get the scene and then go watch something else. But or like going back and forth on sports, people come with different sports, I could click that on it, but I knew exactly what I was looking for. Look, I wasn't hoping for some magical thing to come in there. I mean, I was on a uh a diet of I'm having X or Y and maybe I'll find Z, but I had a much different thing. The idea of maybe I'll find something. I just I don't know. To me, it's it's a foreign, it's a foreign concept of maybe I'd find something. And like even back in the day of like FM radio, like you'd go to uh like the FM alternative or F AOR is what it was referred to as the format, uh like you'd listen to it and you'd get like a 12-minute, you know, 12-minute might get three or four songs in 12 minutes, and you'd have a commercial, and then you know, you might go to the other AOR station and listen to it and then come back on whatever was there. But you know, I I knew if I went to the other station, like if I went to the jazz station, I went there because I wanted to see what they were playing, and then I might listen to it longer, I might not, or um in the Bay Area it was uh the black station was ready. KBLX, Soft and Warm, The Quiet Storm.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Wow. That was pretty good.

unknown 16:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:39

Well, I listened to it enough.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

That was pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_07 16:42

No, that was but that was so you'd so the whole goal of it was to catch, you know, KBLX at the top of the hour, so you could hit KBLX.

unknown 16:52

You know.

SPEAKER_07 16:54

And it was like, okay, yeah, spectacular. Wow. So that was, you know, that was the goal of being able to hit that. But I mean, at least on a radio station, I kind of know what was going to happen and when they would play the hits or, you know, how something would go on to that. But yeah, but that's what it would be. But anyway, that's just my thought. Is that, you know, it comes down to that idea that I want, you know, if you went back to the idea of what would be what would be the drink that gives someone that would cure their thirst, that would stop this? Is there something that would stop this? Or is this like universal now? Is this something that will last for generations on generations? Or it'll have to be that, you know, in 20 years from now, kids will be so tired of everybody doing this, you know, that they'll just they'll never do it. They'll watch, I mean, they'll watch paint dry because they're not going to be a flicker.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

Yeah. Hopefully, this is cyclical and we can get back to the point where, you know, even with technology being advanced as it is, like you said, 20 years from now, kids will be so tired and bored, and it'll be so ingrained in their lives that they'll want to go play outside. Yeah. That they'll want to go, you know, smell some fresh air and do those things. Like, but there's also the side where it's like this is this might become so ingrained in society, like you said, it's just the new normal.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Okay. Like, um, sometimes, you know, even with it, whether you're with somebody, whether you're not, you'll ask them, hey, what are you doing? And the answer is scrolling on my phone. Very rare, like that is now a a verb. Like that, like that, that that phrase, oh yeah, I'm just scrolling on my phone. Like, and very rarely is the next line of the sentence, why, or what are you looking at? Like, it's just universally known, what are you doing? Scrolling on my phone. Oh, cool. Like, we all know what that means. And the fact that we all know what that means says that it is now just simply a part of society, right? Like, I I have I know kids that are little that will get on YouTube and they the YouTube videos they watch are of other people playing video games. With the we don't have the we don't even have them being active enough to play their own damn video games. They watch videos of other people playing video games. Okay, so again, the cycle hopefully it's bottoming out, and we can go back, you know, to to uh you know the days of yesteryear, but it could just be getting worse, who knows?

SPEAKER_07 19:49

Do you think it's more insulting to watch videos of people playing video games, or is it more insulting to watch other people play sports?

SPEAKER_03 20:02

I mean, uh, you know, that's a very good question. That's a hell of a question. You already know my answer. I think I think it's it's more insulting to watch somebody play video games. Um, because you know, and of course I'm speaking from an athlete perspective, so absolutely call me biased. But I believe sports actually teaches you life lessons um and actually and can help the human body and mind be productive rather than I love video games just as much as the next person. Um I would never want to watch somebody play video games, but playing my own, great. Yeah. Um, but they're just they're not as mind-rotting or mind-numbing as just scrolling on your phone, but just fun, entertaining, blah, blah, not really learning anything, anything from it, not really taking anything away to add to my life, whereas I believe sports does that.

SPEAKER_07 20:55

Yeah. Do you think that if like playing video games ever became like a collegiate sport, that you'd have coaches just, okay, let's see, you know, a quarter, you know, a quarter, quarter turn on your left thumb while you're dropping your right. Let's just no, no, no. Button two, button, what are you what are you doing? You know, and then they're just gonna have them like, okay. Right? Yeah. I mean, is that what they're they're gonna have coaches or you know?

SPEAKER_03 21:35

Well, I mean, it it it currently is a club sport in in college. Oh, thank goodness. I don't know if you know this or not, Robert, but yes, there are um uh there there are eSports teams, is what they call them. So they're esports teams at different universities throughout the country that get together and they come, they have teams, they have coaches, and they compete, but they're in uh electronics. Sports rather than physical sports. So, yeah, so that so that actually does exist. Everything you were just describing, that's actually out there.

SPEAKER_07 22:10

So the jump on the table, reload, turn, and shoot. Let's just see you do it. I mean, is you know, is that no, no, don't you don't need to turn the damn thing.

unknown 22:18

Keep it.

SPEAKER_07 22:20

But yeah, no, I'm serious.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Yeah, yeah. Esports is alive and well.

SPEAKER_07 22:25

So but they actually will have like the let me see, let me see your thumb.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Yeah, see, I I don't I don't know how they practice. I don't know how the coaches coach them. I I I I'm trying to stay out of that realm.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

Um I would love to see Loney as an esport. No, it would just be let me see your thumb. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 22:43

A lot of computers broken.

SPEAKER_07 22:44

Yeah, no, but just it's yeah, but but I'm just saying that there has to be like something in there. Yeah. The only thing that would be better than that would be the esports, you know, the sport club for the guys that watch people doing it. So it's like, okay, well, let's see your posture. No, no, slouch more. You know, you just get no more slouch, okay. And and how you hold no, your your wrist is gonna get sore. Hold it like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

You know, and yeah, well, and then like that there they make they make special chairs that you you can sit in in order to be able to play video games longer, um, so that you're you're in a more comfortable position. They now have their the big video game tournaments. Oh no, they have seen those. They have they have bleachers, audiences come and they they boo team. It's like a sport, like a live sporting event. They will bring fans in. You can pay your hard-earned money to go watch five guys on this side of the room versus five guys on that side of the room play a video game against each other on a on a big screen.

SPEAKER_07 23:50

So at a certain point, you could tell me that like paying to see somebody play the piano. I mean, if you think about it, you know, you're doing this versus you're doing this. For sure. It's you know, this maybe is what, like two fingers and a thumb? Like so two four fingers and two thumbs versus on a piano, you got you know, eight fingers going. I don't know, maybe, you know, I just I think I'd be more interested in hearing what the piano guy did, but 100%.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

And and I mean I I feel like music's still considered art. Yeah. Right? It's it's it's still considered something that that you make the the that's creative. That it and it it's you know, it's like I guess, yeah, it's it's hard, it's difficult, it takes a lot of practice in order to be able to be very, very good at it. So I don't know. I feel like yeah, watching watching a piano recital versus video games, not saying you were saying that, but yeah, just the comparison piano recital versus video games, I'll take the piano recital all day just because of the the art that it creates and also just the amount of talent that it takes in order to do that as well.

SPEAKER_07 25:02

Yeah, because I just I just think it's a different and also you could make on an objective thing that if somebody was going to be playing something by Schubert or you know, whatever, or that you might say the guy did it correctly versus the guy was playing a video game and the other guy made a mistake or whatever it was that you know he missed whatever it was and then it was all over, and the guy can't. I don't know. I would just say the piano thing, at least you could convince me that learning to do this might be greater than this. I I don't know, it's hard to say. Yeah. Let me ask you this before we get into the other thing I wanted to do today. Because actually I had two subject I I came really prepared today. So back in the day, the reason that you did things was to get laid. Right? I mean, you you know, you were a bad boy and you know you learned to, you know, ride your bicycle dangerously because chicks dug bad boys. Yeah. You know, you learn to be an athlete because dig chicks, you know, dig athletes, or you learn to be, you know, class clowns because chicks dig class clown or whatever it's going to be. And there was that sense of feedback, there was that sense of what was going on. And now you're in an environment where getting I mean, I can't imagine that you know Sarah's sweetheart is sitting over there and is so excited that you're gonna do this for three hours versus holding her hand. You know, she might think, oh, you're really good at game X. Yeah, but then somebody else might be interested in game X. And at some point, Sarah might want you to tell her that she's pretty versus you telling her, could you get me another energy drink?

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Agreed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:10

You know, and if the guy was smart, he'd say, hey, pretty girl, could you get me another energy drink? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Two birds, one stone.

SPEAKER_07 27:15

Yeah, and then and open it and put it like I want it. You ignorant bitch. No, I don't want it right here. It's gotta be, look, I drop, it's gotta be right here. What are you doing putting it out there? We've been through this a thousand times. You know, it get out of here. I swear to God, I'll get somebody who can.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

It sounds like I need to get you a gaming console so that you can you yourself can can divulge in the in the can uh can uh dive into the the world of video games and and Susan can be the pretty girl who goes and gets you energy drinks.

SPEAKER_07 27:49

Yeah. Well, I've already shown you my version of video games, and you you were somewhat impressed with it when we went to the pinball place. Absolutely. I mean, I can sit there and I can play, I can play this, I can play these fingers, I can play this finger, and also on games that I've had, I could just play one hand and I could cross over and deal with it. So I've put in my time of absolutely stupid, ridiculous things. Yeah. But I like to believe that at least in the pinball game, it wasn't going down a path that that it was going to become more retarded, or it was going to become more difficult, or that it was working against me, that I could actually I had developed some skill in being able to deal with it, or I felt that it was a skill. And then I can take young people there that have no concept of what they're doing and make them look really, really foolish.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

Who have never seen a pinball machine? Oh no, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 28:40

Or playing a stupid hockey game that I can play and just watch you trying to scramble to get the right thing. And oh no, it's yeah, no, easy, Max. Watch, it's fun, watch this. Oh, that's another goal. Oh no, play another. You're not put another 50 cents in. You're not bored yet. But no, but I think that that's it. And and I also think that this is the other thing that I think is really interesting. And we'll we'll do this as we go into the next little segment here. That also, in addition to the idea that, you know, Christ offered water that would keep us from ever being thirsty, that would give us something, it would give us meaning to our life. If you look at something else that came into it, was that in the old testament, God says that he is the word, right? And I was thinking about this the other day when I was thinking about like the drink forever. And the other piece is this. Well, let me ask you this what do you think the value is in God saying that it is, you know, God is the word or that God spoke things into being into existence? Right? What do you think what do you think the value of that is?

SPEAKER_03 29:51

I think it just carries the value that uh uh not only is he all-knowing but all-powerful as well. Like you said, just being able to speak things into existence, it shows you kind of including us, shows you kind of that, you know, you know, the the power that he carries from that aspect. Right.

SPEAKER_07 30:08

And there's a couple of ways of looking at it, because one is that, you know, as opposed to using his hands or getting out the glue gun or something to make something, that God could speak it into existence. But I think that there's another piece on top of that, you know, because that was that was my initial thought was it was an example of God's strength or God's power to be able to do something. But as I've become an older person, and I've now, you know, recognized another year has passed in my life, which means I'm even closer to dying.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:43

So um I now try to have other interpretations of things because I'm older. But I have a different interpretation of what the word is. Is God telling us that we need to be able to speak to other people? That the magic of the word is being able to express an idea or to be able to express a need, or to be able to fill a need for another person. Right. And that God doesn't necessarily have to speak. God could probably, you know, do this or, you know, left flipper finger, what whatever, hit the button, BY, and he could have made the universe using a controller, yeah. Or he could speak it into existence. Either way, it's pretty cool.

unknown 31:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 31:33

I mean, it's significant, it's more than pretty cool. I'd say it's actually well above average.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 31:37

Right. Yes. So the fact that he could do all of that, but the fact that he spoke it into existence, is there a message there that the way that we do things is we speak things into existence. You know, we speak friendships into addic into existence, right? We speak any decent relationship into existence. You know, I talk to my cat. I mean, the cat doesn't really give a rip, but I mean, I talk to my cat and I have a, you know, I speak my cat's, I speak my love for my cat into existence. Yeah. You know, I um I speak my love to the Starbucks people into existence by asking them for a second cup every time without saying, what's wrong with you? Get me a second cup. Can't be this hard.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Which hey, you could also say that as well.

SPEAKER_07 32:33

Yeah, right. No, I could. But the answer is this, I try to make it into I try to make it better for everybody. And then they don't spit my drink. So it's a good thing. We we have, you know, we both play sides of it. Yes. But but I mean, what do you think about that? Is that something that the video game universe has so the video game universe or the doom strolling universe has so um retarded communication that, you know, is it something that at some point, if it continues to go down the path, is you know, is this the way that you do it? Like, you know, I'm sitting there. I'm not strolling, I'm looking at you. So that means it's you know, you're you're you're better than this. You know, yeah. And it's like, um, you know, how much do you love me? Well, I think I'd only I think I'd only like scroll 15 times if we were on a date per minute. You know, but it's like you know, but but but that idea that if you know in my age, if you went out with somebody and they weren't paying attention to you, the first you know, you weren't paying attention, you weren't following along, you just throw something at them. Yeah, right. Seriously, I mean it's like, well, what what do you mean? You just hit him. You know, it's the same thing. You know, if you're in a huddle and somebody calls the play and somebody isn't paying attention, you grab his cage and you, you know, just you tell him as the next time I'll just break your nose. Yeah. And you can get the guy's attention. What do you why are you looking over there? Yeah. You know, there's no re This is what's all kind of all about here. And but now it's there's that sense that you're doing something, and okay, well, we'll we'll scroll the phone, or maybe it's that idea that you posted something and you want to see that you got recognition for posting something. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know, here's somebody over here that's trying to recognize you for being alive and being in their live and doing something, yes, and you're seeking some other recognition that you're alive. You know, so either the the relationship with the person you have isn't working, or that the person isn't working.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:00

I don't know. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 35:01

No, I I think you're you're spot on. Like it's interesting now that one of the ways that we show value to people in our lives is putting our phones down.

SPEAKER_07 35:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Like, like in you and the way that you grew up and your gen watching the world evolve, right?

SPEAKER_07 35:18

No, I just was thinking.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Yes, yeah, no, I got you. Yes. Um, did you ever think that that a sign of love, gratitude, and appreciation would simply be putting the phone away? No. Like, I mean, like it it it's it's incredible that way. And and even it takes a lot to have a conversation for anyone for an hour, even. Right, you know, without them being, you know, totally engulfed into their phone for some reason.

SPEAKER_07 35:44

Well, you could go back to like in my age that there were families that I knew that they had two telephones at their home. They had a home phone for the adults and then the kids' phone. And you would look at the thing, it would say, like, you know, the Carter's, you know, and then the Carter's kid phone.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:02

And that that was because, like, like I might have a girlfriend at some point, and I might just call her up on the phone. We might talk for an hour and a half on the phone. And that's what you would just do. Yeah. You know, just talk for an hour and a half on the phone. Or like if I'm like if I'm driving to Vegas or something like that, I might talk to my brother for the entire conversation, you know, to veg just driving to Vegas. And I mean, I could listen to music or I could listen to a podcast, I could listen to a whole bunch of other things, but I would just rather talk to somebody for sure for that time. And like, you know, when you and I have traveled on places, it's just it's fun to be able to talk about whatever is there. Yes. But it would never occur to me to to deal with it. Like, in fact, when Susan and I were in Kentucky a couple weeks ago, and we were driving back from one place back to when we were staying, um, and I just, you know, Susan said, Well, do you want to listen to music? And I said, Well, I was just hoping you would just point out things of interest to me.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:06

And she goes, What? And I go, Well, I'll just, I'll show you. And I said, There's a car. And so, and it was, you know, like 45 minutes, all we were doing is, oh, there's a tree. Oh, that's beautiful. For sure. Oh, there's, you know, and it was just, it turned into this incredibly silly joke that, you know, every like, you know, in your head, you've got like a 15-second count. And whatever is there, oh, look, there's a line that divides the road. And you know, but it was just kind of silly on being able to deal with it. But it was the trip took like two seconds because it was, you know, there's a different bird flying by. 100%. But it was, it was fun, you know, and it was trying to do something. And yeah, I don't know. I I think that that that need to be able to communicate or that need to be able to be recognized is something that it has an inherent peace by having the conversation, right? Then that means that if you say something and then I add on top of it, by definition I was paying attention to you. 100%. Wisconsin is a state next to Michigan. See, that would be an example of not paying attention to what you were doing. Yes. But but, you know, that idea that trying to well, I like to say it a lot, but you know, what's large, white, and furry? Polar bear. You know, they're spectacular. They really are. And I mean, it's, you know, so the the thing is, you know, the the fact that you could actually know that, I mean, it's it's sad enough that, you know, at some point in your life, you'll just drop that onto somebody and they'll go, why, why does he do that? And why does he jug, you know, giggle uncontrollably afterwards? Uh-huh. And they'll just say they'll blame it on football. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Yeah, which again is the greatest fallback ever for me. CTE. Yeah. Like, you know.

SPEAKER_07 39:04

Well, then you have a second one, me. You know, that's the great thing. And then they'll try to. Is that CT or Robert? One of the two. We'll see what coin. Absolutely. Maybe it's both. Yes. That's what it is. But here's the other thing I did want to see. So, based upon kind of what we talked about, is this um Caleb has gone out of his way to get um well, the perfect example of the wrong place to get anything. Okay, he has some lovely videos for us to review. And my thought on this would be their dating, which conceivably could be real or could be important to people. I mean, if this, you know, other than you know, test tube babies or something like that, that conceivably you might want to communicate with your spouse so that you know you could perhaps raise the child at some point. Yeah. Versus, you know, wolves do a great job, but a lot of times if the kid doesn't get it early, you know, the kid that doesn't get it early in the wolf universe, you know what it's called? Food.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Yes. This is the jungle book out here.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

That's hey, that's really what it is. There's, you know, the jungle, like the jungle book that we actually read was like, you know, version 12,472. There are a whole bunch of others that were just delicious. Yes. You know, that's just the boy was mmm, yep, you know, screams, not particularly sharp claws, teeth kind of limited, not strong, delicious. Sure, it made a lot of noise, but you know, birds do too. So um, that's how it works. Anyway, so Caleb queue on up here. I want to just let's just like the answer is like, how ridiculous is this guy? So, choice one, how ridiculous is this? Okay, number two, would anybody believe him? Number three, as he's talking, at what point are you or what point are you scrolling? I mean, is this something that you could make it to the end? Right? That that's our goal.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

If someone is inconsistent, hot and cold, flaky, sends one-word texts, that has to be a turn-off. I cannot stress this enough.

SPEAKER_07 41:13

Okay, so number one, the guy that has to do this to communicate, yeah. I mean who does this? Has any I mean, I mean, maybe if you're trying to get an airplane to land, you know, you do this. Yeah. But and the idea if people are inconsistent and are rude and they're hot and cold, you know what the other word for that is? Either they're bored by you or you're boring. Yes. Yes. I mean, that that's really what it is. Just don't just walk away. You know, it's like, why why are we even here?

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Yeah, like dating gives you the greatest chance to, you know, have introspection with yourself. Right. But not a lot of people do.

SPEAKER_07 42:02

Right, no, yeah. Exactly. And if you have to tell somebody that the person is off and they're not doing their well, I mean, here's the other answer. Just say, you know, it's it's been fun, it's been real, but it's not been real fun. Yeah. One of the most successful dates that I ever had in my life was uh there's this girl that I was interested in, was very, very hot. So, you know, I went over to pick her up at her house because one of the advantages of picking up at their house is you get a real clue ideal on it is. And so I looked into her house and it was just like a total mess. And all I could think about is if she has no, I mean, like, I'm not the neatest person on God's earth, but at least I can put things away. Yeah. Okay. And give in mind that like I have a cleaning service come in when my wife goes out of town before I come back, so I can't be blamed on not having the house clean enough. But at least I could get the things off the table. I could put the clothes in the I mean my solution to not having dirty clothes leaning around, the second that I take the clothes off, they go into the washer.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 43:10

So that that way there's no I where where is it? It's on my body, it's in the washer, it's in the dryer, it's on a hanger, it's on, you know, a shelf, whatever. I know where everything is. There's none of this, maybe. Yes. And like I don't wear coats or anything, so I don't need that. You know, I have a couple coats in my car, but I've pretty much kneeled. Yeah. But I looked at her and I just said, you know, um, you know, you're hot, you're almost impossibly hot. But when I look at your house being that messy, I can't get over it. I said, Well, well, and I would again, it just I'm sorry. Yeah, it just I can't get over it. And I said, you know, I s I told you I'd take you out to dinner. You know, here's 20 bucks, go get something to eat. Eat. But I mean, I just can't do this. Yep. And and I'm sure her story of that is he was such an asshole. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Hot and cold, hot and cold. No, I was cold. I wasn't even hot and cold. I was just cold. But I tried to make some amends on it. But I recognize it was there. But it's also hard. You know, hey, well, it'd be fun to go out. By the way, you know, could you show me a couple pictures of where you live? I just want to see what standard of cleanliness you have before I consider to go out with you, you know.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 44:33

You know, let me ask you this. You know, what is a, you know, how much does, you know, how much does a package of sponges cost? You know, and if you can't answer that problem is you probably don't buy them. 100%. How much does it cost for a four-pack of uh, you know, paper towels? Yeah. Don't know. Y'all are hot. Not gonna happen. Yep. But that's it. But but that's but I don't know. But you know, does this guy I mean his accent, I mean, maybe it works because he has an accent, but I don't know. We got what 20 seconds into it? I mean, is there any reason to listen to anything else he's I mean, if you have a minimum standard of what it requires to be with somebody, yeah, this guy is telling you that there's such a thing as a floor? That that's his message?

SPEAKER_03 45:24

I mean, uh, everybody these days believes that they know what they deserve, that they are gonna get what they deserve, that they that they're not going to settle, all these types of things. And so, like, yeah, everybody, everybody believes that, hey, everybody yeah, everybody believes they they're you know they deserve more than maybe they're going to get. Right. Right. Or they price themselves higher than what other people might might even with coupons that they can assemble.

unknown 45:59

Right.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

Right. You're gonna have to turn to the value menu. That's that's it, yeah. I'm sorry, Doc.

SPEAKER_07 46:04

So yeah, but yeah, because I look at it like with you. I mean, I identify I probably interviewed probably 70 other potential co- but you're the only one I thought that could actually get better. Okay. The other's you know, you know, juggling John, he's just gonna sit here though. Oh god, no, I can't listen to that guy can't do anything. Yeah, stutter uh uh uh stuttering Steve wasn't gonna work. Yeah. But no, that's what it was. But no, you got you got the job. I'm very appreciative. Yeah, because you know, I I thought there was something on it that you know, generally you don't flick in the middle of our conversations.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Yeah, for the most part. I I I try and keep that away. So and give you give you my full and undivided attention.

SPEAKER_07 46:49

So also you recognize that I'm looking for things in case there's danger in you. Oh, yeah. Pretty much on top of it. Yep. Anyway, let's see if there's another guy that I can go faster than 20 seconds on.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

Here are my biggest first date red flags. May or may not be PTSD from a few first dates that I've recently been on. Number one, if they bring their friend to the date without making it clear that it's supposed to be a double date, believe it or not, this happened to me recently, and I was just sitting there with three guys being like, what the fuck am I doing here? Two, if they talk about themselves more than they ask about you. Three, if they're way too touchy on the first date. Like, I will erase myself from that situation immediately. If they don't make sure that you get home safe, I mean they either call you an Uber or they walk you home. Like, that should honestly be a standard on any first date. Five, if they talk about their ex a lot, I mean maybe one or two mentions of them is fine, but if they keep consistently bringing them up, then it's just it's weird. If they constantly interrupt you, I mean have manners, my dude. If they don't know how to maintain eye contact or constantly seem distracted. And to go along with that, if they're on their phone too much, I hate that. Let me know if you want more videos like this. And don't go for shitty guys.

SPEAKER_07 47:54

Here are my biggest So here's my first dating red flag. Lipstick that matches dress has a problem.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

I knew that was gonna be the first thing. The second that video popped up, I'm like, oh I'm just thinking the first thing that gets brought up.

SPEAKER_07 48:13

Like, you know, you're trying to be cool and you're trying to be edgy. This is what I think daddy problems. There you go. Yeah. No, no, seriously. I mean, like, what like is the answer here, you know, you um really like grape soda?

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:33

You know, you used to date one of the guys in the blue man group. I mean, yeah, there's there's a lot of possibilities here.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Quite a few.

SPEAKER_07 48:42

But I'm not I mean, maybe it's young or you're trying to be trendy, or you're trying to be different, but it's kind of the I have blue lips and that makes me interesting. No, it's like you have blue lips and that makes you look like somebody that would want blue lips. That's I mean, I could see if you were like 10-year-old girl, yeah, you know, and mom said, you know, why don't we make your lips, you know, why don't we make your lips purple? Yeah. And then you can put on your purple sweater, and then I can put like a green hat on you and you can look like an eggplant. You know, and and you could convince me that that could be something, yeah, but I'm not entirely certain that that that's what I want. You know. For sure. But but I think other than that, I I will give her credit that at least there is some mild minimum standards that are there. The other thing I would say is um uh if you were gonna try to rate her on a drama index of like one to ten, where do you think she is? Eight. Yeah. So if she ordered, you know, if she ordered the vegan, you know, the vegan pasta plate, yeah, and there was like, you know, Parmesan cheese on it. I mean, is she going to roll her eyes and have a fit, or is she gonna throw it on the ground, or she's, you know, how could you possibly eat cheese?

SPEAKER_03 50:26

Yeah, probably gonna barge into the back of the restaurant and just complain the whole yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:32

No, I just to me it's kind of that um thinks that she's a lot hotter than she is. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

But that's my thought. I mean you made all through the way all the way through her video though. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_07 50:48

But the thing is that I was just trying to think if, like, you know, it's like she's saying, you know, I have minimum standards, but among the standards that are necessary is um, you know, I like to look really edgy. Yeah. And it's like, okay, the other nice phrase for really edgy, as you correctly identified, is on the drama scale eight. Yeah. And I'm just, I can't, you know, it's just not gonna work. I'm grateful that I'm too old. That's it. Let's try one more give and see if there's something interesting out there.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

If you think you hate them, you probably do. Also, if someone's using you, you can tell. And usually your friends are right. And if they're wrong, you need better friends. And date your friends.

SPEAKER_07 51:37

If you think you hate them, you probably so this is all I can say. Look at the look at her face there. Now she knows that look. That isn't an accidental thing. Yeah. I mean just tell me in being with her, how often you want that look. I'm gonna guess not a lot. I mean, at all? I mean I mean, and then heaven forbid that you had a child that accidentally you know mimicked that look. Yeah. No, but I mean, I'm serious. I mean No, I got you. No, I just it's like there's just something wrong with that. I mean, it's like I guess I look at it this much. You know, it never occurred to me until this moment. Serial club serial killers need relationships too. Yes. And there's certain people that are just attracted to them.

SPEAKER_03 52:52

Weird.

SPEAKER_07 52:53

Yeah, no, and it's just and you're doing the whole thing where you've got a drink in front of you and you look like that. I mean, it's like, yeah, you're telling me about you know, date their friends and do this other stuff. It's like so your idea of a date is you're gonna sit in a bar all day and and look like that.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

Rough life.

SPEAKER_07 53:15

Yeah. I'm thinking that she she could potentially win Mrs. Clorox in the Gene Pool 2026.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

Now we're handing out awards too. No, no, but I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_07 53:34

But but seriously, I mean, like, why would you trust her to I mean, that theory that you may or may not ever have children, but what I'm generally thinking is no. I mean, that's raised by wolf time. Yeah. That's really what it is. Do you ever feel pressure when she says, you know, you know, date and marry your friends? Do you ever feel any pressure to marry me? Are you thinking that when Susan dies, you'll marry me? I mean, I know you've talked about giving me jewelry before, but I don't know if you know, if you should date your friends or you know, it should be because when I hear that stuff, I always think, well, you know, I'm not gay, but it it doesn't mean that maybe I should.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. You know, that that thought's never really crossed my mind, but hey.

SPEAKER_07 54:23

But I'm just I'm wondering, but people are saying people say it all the time, but it's like, but do they really mean it?

SPEAKER_03 54:30

Uh-huh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:31

Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's a weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

Yes, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:33

Let's try when one more. Maybe there's maybe something here we can go with. But that is scary. That's all I can say. That's really, really scary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:43

What is dating advice that you wish you knew sooner? First, it's the big sense harsh truth that you need.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

I don't think so. I think this is a different girl. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:56

Need to hear. When you first like someone, do not ignore the red flags. Sounds really like common sense. When I feel like I like someone, I literally will overlook like small red flags, things that seem like not a big deal, because I like them and I want to give them a chance and I think they're cute. But if something is like an unchangeable red flag, like their personality is too calm for you, and you're a really energetic person. Something that is just not changeable about them. And you overlook that, that is.

SPEAKER_07 55:18

The thing that I think about her is this yeah, she was somehow raised by a pair by a pigeon. Okay, so check this out. Okay, now watch. So, how are you today, Max? I'm really doing fine, but I'm really doing good. How are you doing? Well, I'm just doing fine. You know, it's like, okay, you don't need to throw your head forward on every fifth word.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 55:41

Right. And I mean, it's like you can kind of keep your head in a normal way, and you can have like natural head movements on what you're doing, but it shouldn't be that you're, you know, playing ping pong or something with your head. You know, it's just it just it just too much this, you know.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:03

I just honey. I mean, it's like just you know, a little bit of Botox and about like halfway down your spinal cord just to kind of keep you moving just a little bit less, you know.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:17

I don't know. I mean, what's what's your I mean, well, red flags. Well, if you're date brings like, you know, chloroform and zip ties and you know, and a flaying knife, maybe you shouldn't go out with them. Really? Yeah. That that's a red flag, huh?

SPEAKER_03 56:33

Yeah. Like, I don't I don't understand why people make these videos because I've like red flags are universally known. Why do we why do we need to get told them? Right? Also, red flags are opinionated. Yeah. As well, where it's like, oh, I hate this about somebody. Another person could really like it.

SPEAKER_07 56:50

Yeah, right. No, because there's probably a whole bunch of people that want girls with blue purple lipstick.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

There are, there are, yes. And so, yeah, because yeah, that could be a red flag is hey, if she has really if the lipsticks matches the dress color, red flag.

SPEAKER_07 57:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

Right? So I mean you and I could sit here and make our own list of red flags. Yeah. Um, but at the end of the day, we're gonna stop and say, who the hell cares?

SPEAKER_07 57:14

Yeah, no, right? Yeah, but it just it's kind of that, and and I mean, and I look at this, and and when you look at the idea of like, you know, finding the water that that that quenches you, the that will never make you thirsty again, if you followed any of these people's idea on how to date or how to do something, it's never gonna work. Yeah. I mean, it's just never gonna work. Anyway, and that's an interesting thing that you said about it, is that when you talk about like universal red flags, if you were gonna say demon, you know, if you were to say demon and I were to say demon, and we were given a piece of paper, we're gonna draw pretty much the exact same thing.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_07 58:02

And across cultures, it'll be pretty much the same, right? I mean, it's gonna have like long, splintery fingernails and scary teeth, you know, scary eyes, you know, it's gonna look like a combination of, you know, a bird, a reptile, like it's gonna look like all of the three major predators, right? Predator class, that's what it's gonna be. And on these things, when you're looking at these, I'm I'm just really all I'm just seeing every time that I look at them is that what you know, it's like the red flag. Well, I guess I would look at it this much, you know, that heaven forbid that Susan would pass before I do. And any this is the sad thing about it is anybody that would say, Oh, I saw your videos with Mac, Max, and you know, and I want to do something. That was clawed to Joey. But yeah, but I wanted to, you know, that I've seen your videos and I'd really like to date you. I mean, my first thought would be no. You know, it's like I don't think I want somebody that would ever watch my podcast.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:16

So anyway, that's but that's just kind of my thought.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

There you go. Yes. So your thoughts. Um. Yeah, dating's kind of dumb. These things are really stupid. Um, and if you need dating advice from social media, just give up now, anyways.

SPEAKER_07 59:37

Yeah. No, that that's really what and here's the answer. Accidentally just learn to talk to somebody and try not to the the whole time. I mean, just try to be try to have some sense of what you might be trying to accomplish, and you'll, you know, if the idea is to be noticed, you'll be noticed. If the idea is to be, you know, engaging, you'll be engaged. If the idea is to make people, you know, want to put sharp objects into their ears so they don't have to listen to you talk, then they'll they'll do that too. That's why I always bring net bleeding needles with the case. Got it. So anyway, this is a good example of it here. That, you know, one thing that we didn't bring today was the book. Yes. So conceivably I did write a book. Conceivably, you might one day want to read it, but um, it's called Stair Pits. You could get it. Um so it's there. If I ever wonder why the book doesn't sell, part of it is, you know, we got like 45 minutes an hour into this thing before we brought it up. But you could buy the book.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

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SPEAKER_07 1:01:26

That's pretty good. That's very good. I was gonna say the reason that I am the way that I am is that Caleb said to sit here. Wait, why? That's for it to I don't know. It just seemed like it was a good idea. So, you know, I didn't want him to hit me or anything. So I've just been sitting here for a while, but Caleb says to get up and leave. I guess I'll just get up and leave. But that's what it's. But thank you very much for listening to us. Hopefully, you learned something. Um, you know, I learned this.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

Yeah, you're gonna you're you're gonna have a lot of hand doctors. I gotta be very rich since the iPhone came out. Yeah, no, that's it.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:01

I mean yeah. So anyway, um, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.