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Stair Pits
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Stair Pits
Most People Never Question Their Own Knowledge
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Are you trapped in echo chambers? We analyze how personal experience shapes our worldview and the nature of knowledge today.
This podcast discussion breaks down the mental barriers that prevent us from seeing outside our own perspectives. If you often feel like your opinions are constantly reinforced by your surroundings, this conversation offers a fresh look at why that happens and how to recognize it.
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0:00 Intro and welcome
6:53 Plato’s Cave Explained With A Twist
18:31 Echo Chambers And Algorithm Blindness
24:51 Why Social Clips Miss The Point
28:00 Learning Versus Stimulation And Meaning
34:23 Closing Thoughts And Buy The Book
How much of what you know is based upon your experience to the best of your capacity to experience something?
SPEAKER_01It's like the people who are seeing this, we live in their echo chamber as well. But hopefully, maybe this puts a crack in their cave wall. They can peek their eye out and be like, oh shit, there's a lot of other things out here besides what I am just seeing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But if you look at the effort that once you've reached that level of atrophy, that the effort required to get to even the staircase is greater than most people even begin to have.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then I think at a certain point it turns into Stockholm syndrome where you begin to love the torture. Imagine, if you will, a life where your cigarette is more important than your child, where liquor is more loved than anyone else in your life. Welcome to the Stare Pit Zone. So hey, uh good day, good afternoon, welcome to another exciting episode of the Stare Pit Podcast. A couple of great things here, just for those of you that have followed from the beginning. Look, it's my cigarette. Don't have a set uh suit on. Max didn't put the book up, so kind of like in the first episode, we didn't have the book up that we're trying to sell. Now the book is up. That's good. All right. So hey, welcome to another. Whoops. Okay, take three. Yep. Welcome to another exciting episode of the Stair Pits Podcast. I have my cigarette. I have my beloved co-host and good friend Max Govinson III, who's with me. I'm R.A. Thompson. That's the book. High quality Italian water. Max has generic non-bubbling water with him. My cigarette is here. So it'd be really another exciting podcast.
SPEAKER_01R.A. Thompson, welcome back, sir.
SPEAKER_00Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_01It's been a couple weeks, okay? So I'm I'm I'm a little rusty with you. You know, the book wasn't up. I got generic water. You can see I started to slip a little without your presence here in the studio, okay? I took the liberty of never sitting in your seat, okay. Respected you enough to not do that, but as you can see, everything else kind of slipped off while while you were gone. So a round of applause and great to have you back, sir.
SPEAKER_00It's nice that you took responsibility for it versus blaming it on Gino. No, I thought you would blame it on Gino, or you might blame it on Caleb or you know, CTE.
SPEAKER_01I mean, one of the other people you have a lot of excuses you could have blamed it on, but well, if I knew Gino, if I knew I was never gonna see Gino again, absolutely everything would have been his fault. Right. But the fact I know I'm probably gonna see him at some point again, and I'm gonna have to face the repercussions of whatever I say here, right? I figured I might as well just lay it all at my feet. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So no, that's good. And also the other theory is this that you know you gotta figure maybe one or two of Gino's friends or relatives might be watching this because he was in it, and then they're thinking the black dude's gonna kill Gino. And that just could be. For sure. 100%. We yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't need any more problems with what I already got.
SPEAKER_00So you know, there's I mean, that's and you gotta figure Gene. I mean, dude, guy sounds mobbed up. 100%. No, that's just really it. I mean, I bet you if you squeeze that guy's arm, olive oil can't be.
SPEAKER_01Olive oil, yep. Looks a little looks a little too Italian for me. So you can't trust them. No, it's really one of those things.
SPEAKER_00Sad it's true.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I barely trust you.
SPEAKER_01As you should. That's the answer. I mean, I hope you checked your wallet, you got your pockets and all your cash with you still. Snap at any given moment.
SPEAKER_00That's really what it is. Yeah, I understand how it works.
SPEAKER_01That's why the lights are so bright in here. So I can't I can't be reaching anywhere without everybody seeing me. Yeah, you dim these lights a little bit. I close my eyes, keep my mouth shut.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We're moving somewhere.
SPEAKER_00Deep trouble. That's really what it is. Yes. Disadvantages you smile too much. You'd give yourself a little bit more. I know. That is the issue. Yes. Yeah, that's the whole problem with it. Um what's something I wanted to kind of chat about today? So we have a couple things. Really exciting news. Uh, if you check the feed, there actually is a little bit of Max doing the voiceover on the book, which is really pretty spectacular. Gino's images on it, quite good. So I think that's sadly but true coming to into being.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We're creating something.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so it does bring up like another thing that I think is an interesting little thing that I'd like to chat about today, which is um the idea of could it work? So the idea is probably good, but the question is, do the conditions exist by which it could work? And the question is, would the doom scroller be able to last over a minute and a half, you know, almost two minutes of watching something before their finger took over?
SPEAKER_01That's the question.
SPEAKER_00Well, we're gonna find out. That's the question. So part of that would be that if you do feel that you're a doom scroller and the things come out, just take your finger and slam it in the door a few times. Yes. So you can't do that.
SPEAKER_01Which hey, I mean, we we might you might be creating a another stage of evolution here, okay? Because you start smashing the doom scroll finger, people are gonna have to find another way to do scroll. Again, evolution evolutionizing the human race there.
SPEAKER_00Like this.
SPEAKER_01Also, good little story for you here, which which he's gonna be uh not happy that I shared this, but Cyrus Webster, our good, our good friend Cyrus Webster, former former Utah Tech uh Trailblazer, former Washington State Cougar, had a trial with the Seahawks, currently playing in the UFL with the Columbus Aviators, okay, shot me a text the other night of uh of talking about our little clip about you talking about doom scrolling. Right. And Cyrus said, No way in hell that while I'm doom scrolling, I come across a video of Robert talking about doom scrolling. And I text him back, and all I said was, don't tell Robert that. But yeah, so hey, talk about proving your point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I would if I was Cyrus, I would take that as a sign. Yes. I mean, really, I mean, there's I mean, there's evidence like when you know you're thinking about whether or not you should go in the building and a lightning bolt comes and blows up the sidewalk. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't mean, oh, I'll still go in. Recognize the sign, dude. That's it. He's a hey, you are his warning. Yes. That's it. So that's it. And all you other little wannabe Cyruses out there, it's a message to you, too. Yes. I don't know how many little wannabe Cyruses there are. I'm sure there's a couple. Maybe two, three. But that's enough. Yes. If we're only saving one child, it's a good thing. Absolutely. That's my whole answer to it. So I was thinking about this. Are you familiar with um Plato's analogy of the cave? No, I don't think so. Okay. So Plato was a philosopher versus Plato with some.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I I did know Plato with a T was a philosopher. I was aware of that. I like some of his quotes.
SPEAKER_00Yes, right. Yes. He said the one more cheese, please. That was one that's quite good. Another one's gets like that. Get off my foot, you asshole. Okay. Yeah, sure. He had a lot of really pretty good things. Motor perception. Yeah. No, he was, I mean, visionary for what it was. I mean, how many people since that have said more cheese? Thousands. Yeah, exactly. But he started it. The whole cheese industry, just without him side of things. Wisconsin wouldn't be a state without him. It wouldn't be, it would be horrible. Okay. Um, so he had this idea. And the idea was on the perception of the universe, like what do we know? And he had this idea that let's imagine that you're in a cave and you are chained up in the cave, and your head is locked, so you could only see forward. You could only see the wall on the cave. So you live in pretty much darkness the whole time. And occasionally some light comes into the cage, and then a shadow or the cave, and then a shadow comes along, and then the shadow goes away, and then it gets dark, and then there might be food for you. Okay. So if you and I are in that situation, but we're locked down, so we don't even have any awareness of each other, our entire universe exists of darkness, light, a shadow, food, and whatever temperature there is, and the fact that we can't move. Yeah. Okay. And what Plato said was that the way we interpret life is through shadow. Right? We might see something. Well, in that case, you're seeing a shadow, and a shadow isn't the real thing. But his idea was that even when you're looking at the real thing, is it anything more than a shadow? Interesting. Okay. Right. So it comes down to how much of what you know is based upon your experience to the best of your capacity to experience something. Okay. Okay. So that part makes sense, right? Yes. Cool. So next step. Let's say we're in the, you know, we're in the cave, and then we're still chained up, but all of a sudden I know that you're there. You know that I'm there. We can look at each other, but we're still in darkness. The cave opens up, the shadow comes, food comes, and it goes back. So at that point, what do we know? I know I exist, I know you exist, I know light and the shadow brings us food. And that when the door opens up, that my skin is a different color than yours. Okay. So at that point, what do I extrapolate?
SPEAKER_01Um, I think everything that you just said, right?
SPEAKER_00I also might extrapolate that since your skin is darker than mine, the shadow is dark, you might be one of the shadows. Okay. Right, I mean, because I mean I don't I don't know anything else. That's all that I know. I know that food shows up and that's exactly what it is. Okay. But at that point, I'm making assumptions based upon experience that I have, right? Yes. And you might think the same thing. You might think, well, shit, I'm a shadow. Eventually I'm getting out of here. Yeah.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_00Right? So you might have an entirely different sense. But if you look at that, that's all the information that we have. Yeah. That's everything that we've experienced, that's everything that we know, that's a limited understanding of the universe. But again, Plato says we have a very limited understanding of the universe. Yeah. Okay. So we've been chained up, we can move our heads, we've looked at each other, we've had this other thing on it. Now let's say the chains are broken, and we've been chained up in there for 10 or 15 years going through this. And now we're making our way. We've determined at some point there might be stairs. We've we've figured out that there might be stairs over by the light where the food comes from. Right. And we've now broken free of the chains and we're now moving towards the staircase. And we haven't moved, we haven't done anything for 15 years, right? How easy is it for us to move?
SPEAKER_01Probably not moving for a while. It's miserable. I mean, I mean, you you have a lot better looking calves than I do, even at 67 years old. Right. Sir, props and congratulations to you. Artificial at implants. Hey, you're I was gonna say your genetics favored you greatly, but hey, if they're their implants, even better. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I'm probably battling a lot of atrophy there. Right. In the legs. Right. So so yeah, probably taking a minute to even make the way over to the stairs. Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But so it might take us, and we're also scared to death of it. Yeah. So it might take us a long time to get to the stairs and then to figure out how stairs work, how to get up the stairs. Okay. So that might take a long time. And in that period, we're over we're amazed about the flatness of the ground in the cave. We're amazed about the stairs that are carved into it. We're, you know, freaking out that all of a sudden we're getting higher and higher. It legitimately hurts to do everything. Yeah. And we might not be negotiating the chairs, the stairs particularly well, and we might be falling.
SPEAKER_01You know what is absolutely hilarious about that is that the second Cyrus fell down the stairs.
SPEAKER_00No, that wasn't it.
SPEAKER_01It all goes back to Cyrus. The second you mentioned stairs, I pictured the stairs descending. You pictured them ascending. You pictured us going upstairs, I pictured us trying to fumble going down the stairs.
SPEAKER_00I guess because I kind of think Mike Gave one was descending.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so but the same thing. It's all perspective. Absolutely. Yeah. So I just like that is that is interesting how we're going to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00Because in your situation, shit, we're doomed a hell of a lot farther because we're following all the way down that ditch. Gravity ain't our friend. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yes. So in one case, in your case, we're totally screwed up at the bottom. In mine, we're fumbling trying to go up. Yes. Okay. So we get up, we're now at the door of the cave. Okay. We open the door of the cave. What's the first thing that happens?
SPEAKER_01We see light for the first time in a long time through light.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It scares the shit out of us because what is it? Different. Bright. Okay. I mean, and overly bright. Okay. Yeah. So at that point, can we see anything? No. Right? And then we're also freaked out by color because all of a sudden now we're exposed to color. Yeah. And we're exposed to wind and we're exposed to a different temperature. How long does it take us to orient to the new world? Probably 27 minutes. Minimum. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I would say really good. There might be like cliff notes that we could have read or something. Yeah. Absolutely. You know. But but the answer is it might take more than that. It might take a much longer time because we still don't understand what, you know, what grass might be, what a tree might be, what a bush might be, where is food, where is water. I mean, we could we would have, you know, what is the cloud? What is the bird? You know, what we are just looking at damn near everything. Yeah. And all we're just saying to each other is, what in the hell is that? And what in the hell does that do? Yeah. Right. And you know, just um just if you saw, you know, you just saw a bug came by and landed on your arm, I mean, it's like, what is it? Freak out, does it hurt? What in the hell is it? For sure. It's it's totally disorienting, right? Yeah. And so his idea is that that's how you learn things, right? We live in a world where we are chained and confined by our own limitations, and the things that we see are simply shadows on a wall. And we assign characteristics to those shadows that have no bearing on what they actually are. Yes. Because when we're looking at the shadow, we couldn't even determine if that we first of all we don't even know what a woman is, but you know, we couldn't determine if it was a male or a female or you know, how tall or how strong or whatever the person was. Yeah. We just knew that it was a big, it was a shadow. And maybe we were freaked at the size of the shadow as it might expand and contract as it gets away from the source of light. So we're amazed that things hold their whole their shape the right way. Yeah. And if we happen to look down and there's a shadow, and we're thinking that's the same shadow that's gonna give us food, so we're screaming at our shadow, where in the hell's our food? Yes. Right. So totally distorted version of that. So if you are gonna break that down into its essentials, and I actually have some place that I'm going with this, it's really good. But it's somewhat interesting, isn't it? Absolutely, yes. Right. It's like basic philosophy 101 class, but it doesn't change the fact it's still good. Um the is this an example of what we're looking at is stimulation, right? Stimulation and knowledge. That's really what it is, right? Or it's sensation and knowledge, right? So it's sensation and knowledge. Because before we had sensation and knowledge was limited to a very, very small universe, and now we're expanding it. You know, as we go up, it expands, it expands. We get outside the cave, it's huge. Once our eyes get used to it, it expands even more. And now, even the concept of the different ways that we might be able to move, maybe up until that point, we've just crawled, and now we can figure out that we could stand up and we could walk, and then walk to run, and then run to be able to do something else. Eventually have enough money that we could get calf implants. Hopefully, huge that's the ultimate goal. Yes, that's what chicks dig is guys with calf implants. It worked for you. It has, you know, it's worked out well. Yes, that's the best investment I ever made. So, um so how is doom strolling any different than people that are locked up in a cave and are looking at shadows of life?
SPEAKER_01I don't think it's all that much different, um especially because um kind of like you said, in the cave you only know so much, right? You you know a very limited amount, and unless the circum unless the circumstances change, most likely somebody else comes along and changes those circumstances for us, like you said, cut the chains, do whatever, let us out of the cave, then that is all you know, and that's all you're ever gonna know, and you're gonna see like this, right? The horses blinders on, if you will, right? Doom scrolling is the same thing, and I think social media in general is the same thing because, especially the way that the algorithms work these days, everybody lives in their own echo chamber. Okay, everybody only sees what they want to see, everybody only sees the opinions that they want to see, the people that they want to see, you know, the different um ideologies that they want to see, right? So everybody lives in their own echo chamber with their own blinders on, thinking that, oh, see, I am right because the entire world that I that I know, the entire okay, the entire world agrees with the same thing that I do. But what some of us don't realize it's the entire world only that we know. Exactly, agrees with what we do, and that which is a tiny piece of the pie, like you said, compared to stepping out of that cave and it's a holy shit moment, there's way more to this thing than I originally thought.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I would say, even looking at it more in that when you're looking at things on in the drum, you know, doom scrolling universe, I would even take a step further that what you're not even seeing is things, you're seeing reflections of things.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. So you don't you're not seeing you're not seeing the person, you're seeing a specific thing, a very limited version of whatever it is that you're watching. It's not complete. And what you're doing is you're just feeding an experience, you know, that you're looking at something and you're experiencing something, and everything that you're experiencing provides no knowledge. Right. So here you have, if you're gonna look at like a scale, that I think in the real world it kind of looks like this. You have exper you have sensory input based on knowledge on this side, and that kind of tells you what you have to do, right? I mean, you can determine I'm having these, I'm experiencing or looking at these things, so as a result, I do this. Right. And then you kind of can balance your world out that way. As these things change, you know, you might need more experiment in order to gain enough inf enough knowledge to be able to participate in something. And sometimes you have enough knowledge here that you can interpret this correctly and then you know be able to proceed and to do something. And by correct, I mean to determine a course of action and a way to go. But I think that in the you know, in the exciting world of doom scrolling, if your entire situation is interests me two, three, no. Interests me two no. Interests me, two, three, four, five. Oh, good. Oh, look, here's something else similar to that. One, two, three, four, five. Good. Another one. One, no. So you're not even you're you're less limited than looking at a shadow on a cave wall. Right. I mean, you're whatever we're thinking about in in the total darkness of the cave, whatever we're imagining in there, that's the extent of it. And it's like you said, it's an echo chamber, it's a reinforcement of everything that you already b believe. Yeah. And I think that you take the further example of the escaping the cave, that if you look at the effort that once you've reached that level of atrophy, that the effort required to get to even the staircase is greater than most people even begin to have.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then I think at a certain point it turns into Stockholm syndrome where you begin to love the torture.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, and it's like, well, at least it's something. I can do this. And this has become it. And then you're wondering why are you so why don't you have why don't you have any knowledge? And why are you bored? You're bored because you at a certain point the stimulation doesn't work. You know, it's like with a two-year-old, you can do the where's my face, here it is, where's my face, here it is, where's my face, here it is. And you know, and that works forever with a two-year-old. Yeah. But you know, a three-year-old doesn't work as well. You know, stone chick at a Grateful Dead concert, it works again. So there's a point where, you know, it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01That's a that's an oddly specific experience, Robert, that I feel like I'm scared that maybe once upon a time in your former life, you're at an Ungrateful Dead concert playing peekaboo with a girl who was stoned.
SPEAKER_00Well, that was a little too specific for me. I mean, it's just the answer is this. I've been to I've been at several Grateful Dead concerts, but the disadvantage to it is you can amaze Grateful Dead people by this. You don't need to do where's you know, where's my face? It's like, dude, check out my finger. Whoa. You know, so it's it's believe me, you you know, if you're doing this, you are you are over. I mean, you are putting weight, burning way too many calories for it to possibly require anything. So yeah, it doesn't require much of anything. Wow. It's very very low-hanging fruit. Yeah, just in case you're wondering. So um the I I think when I look at the things that are out there, I kind of find it amazing. And this is my idea that I what kind of led all of this to it was I was looking at some of the people's reaction to the uh World Cup soccer thing. And this guy put a video together of how excited he was to be in the United States, and I think he was from like Michigan or something, so he'd never been here. That's but nice.
SPEAKER_01Nice.
SPEAKER_00Um but anyway, no, he was from like some other place, like England. Exactly. So he's wandering around, and the city hall in Pasadena is beautiful. In post-production, we can put a shot in there, but it is it's a beautiful, beautiful building. So this guy is going along, and this is what he has. Well, here I am in Pasadena, and it kind of looks like Italy, and it's really pretty, and I can't believe how pretty it is. And it's just a shot of the guy's face. And he goes, look at this, and it's like turns the camera around, and you've got like a tenth of a second shot of the city of the the, you know, the city hall. Yeah. And then you're back, oh, this is really amazing. And oh, look at this. There's a lantern down the hall, it looks like Italy, and one second. And then you're back to looking at the guy's face, and then he's walking out to the corner. Oh, there's somebody out there getting married in a beautiful dress. It's a beautiful Cinderella dress, and they turn around in a one and a half second. Well, I'm really glad to be here. This is such an amazing place. So you tell me that the building is pretty, you show it for, you know, again, Plato, one shadow on the wall. Yeah, you show here's an interesting light, one shadow on the wall. Pretty girl in a dress, one shadow on the wall, and back to you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Dude, your face is not that interesting. You know, and you telling me that something is pretty, you know what I kind of want to see? Pretty. Yeah. You know, just it's absolutely pathetic. So I came up with my own idea. Okay. Okay. You know what the Hindenburg was?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, was that the blimp that went went down in the fiery clash? Technically. The fiery crash?
SPEAKER_00Technically, it's a Zeppelin. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. Just what it is. 100%. But it's the same idea. It's a lighter-than-aircraft. Yes. Okay. So this would be my version of that guy's version of it, right? So this is how you could actually make a really great clip. You get a clip of just a girl crying, okay, and just blubbering on about how horrible something is. Right? So you have the here I am, and the zeppelin is landing, one shot of it. Then shot, oh my God, it's catching on fire. It's then you just play the thing of her crying just the whole time. And then at the end, this is bad, and you should have to fire it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's like, you know, it's like okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you miss the entire climax.
SPEAKER_00You kind of miss the entire thing. You know, that's you know, that's the biggest shark I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Oh my god, what is it doing to the guy? That's horrible.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And all you see is half a guy laying on the beach.
SPEAKER_00Well, not even that. Oh, this is really terrible. You know, I got new shoes. Aren't they cute? Nice. Yes. So I think that there's when I kind of look at things on it, I I think I can even tie this to the book if I really tried hard. Okay. But I think that a little bit of the story of the book is kind of my own version out of the cave, where it's like I'm out of the cave, then I'm kind of stuck back into this reduced environment. And then it's the I think the natural the natural element of what humanity is is to escape the is to escape the cave. And I think the natural thing is to try to I I think that when God created the universe, the stamp, the mold that he made to make the universe, he used the exact same mold to make our brains. And that's why we can understand things. We can look at things, we can perceive things that don't exist, we can recognize patterns, we can we can and should learn and quest after things. And I think that the doom scrolling thing is a component of the desire to learn something that's been compromised by a sensation. Yes. And it isn't working. So you're trying to learn, and that the more you scroll, the less you learn, and then occasionally you find, oh, well, you know, oh, here's a video where a guy's, you know, a guy's dog is sneezing and it looks funny. I know I'll send this to somebody who I saw sneeze yesterday.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it's like, you sneezed yesterday, I send you, oh, I don't remember. Oh, it was really funny. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. That's um, and those are the reasons why I just kind of want to live in the cave with the blinders on it, not just people there. Because if that's what I'm gonna get, is you sneezed yesterday, you know. It I don't know. That's yeah, that's my thought.
SPEAKER_01Fair. Don't so no, I will never send you any sneezing videos. That's that that's what I learned.
SPEAKER_00You really so you you're not paying attention, are you? I went through that whole thing as a subtle way of saying I like sneezing videos. You kind of just pay attention. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. CTE? Yeah, 100%. Gino? Yes. Cyrus? CTE.
SPEAKER_01Just CTE on that one. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Cyrus. Bad brain. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Just as another thought, since we have talked about Cyrus, a guy that tried hard and a likable member on the team. We should probably talk about um Justin just for a few seconds.
SPEAKER_01By all means, go ahead. A mountain of a man, massive white guy gonna be the starting nose tackle for BYU this coming season. A projected uh uh NFL draft pick in the game. I was talking about Timberlick.
SPEAKER_00No, that's never mind. Timberlake? Yeah, whatever it was. Yeah, one of the guys. Timber Timberlake is his less like a less quality.
SPEAKER_01His ugly stepbrother or something, right?
SPEAKER_00So just another Timber guy that wasn't quite as good. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I thought you were referring to Justin Kirkland, the starting the starting note-tack of BYU this season, projected 2027.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, the guy that doesn't call me or talk to me anymore. Yeah, yeah, that one.
SPEAKER_01The projected 2027 NFL draft pick, you know, the the you know, all these okay.
SPEAKER_00Ready?
SPEAKER_01Oh, there okay, that's that's your doom scrolling where you you you lost interest quickly. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00I did. Once it wasn't, you know, Timberlit, I thought, well, yeah. Like once once I blew the joke by not knowing the guy's name. Hey, that's okay. But I'm out of it. There you go. So that was my bad. All good. Um, so anyway, that's very abbreviated version of it. But I think that that's some value. I mean, I don't know. We could 100%.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I oh yeah, you could you could talk philosophy all day long for sure. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I think it's just just long and it's funny too, because people are gonna see this on social media. That's the funniest part. Yeah, right. And so it's like it's like the people who are seeing this, we live in their echo chamber as well. Um, but but hopefully, you know, this stuff provides a little bit of a little bit of thought, right? A little a little bit of like thought provoking sentiment that can help you maybe put a it might not be most likely isn't gonna break anybody's echo chamber, but maybe put a crack in it, right? Maybe this puts a crack in their cave wall, yeah. They can peek their eye out and be like, oh shit, there's a lot of other things out here besides of what I am just seeing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was very good acting, the way that you like closed one eye and just kind of moved it left and right. Thank you. It's really quite good. Thank you. Um, that that would be my thought is that we're just we're a second shadow that's not bringing you food. Yes, that's saying there's a really cool thing out there called not darkness. Yes, you know, and just try. Yeah, you know, and it might hurt and it might be miserable and it might be incredibly disorienting, but I think that that's the the step that I would yeah, at least putting people on the path to think outside the box or outside the cave that's really well beyond the scroll.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, so here's the answer, right? Oh, I could go there.
SPEAKER_01Yes versus yeah, yes, you know, and and you know, or may you know, maybe this gives the people to again, maybe they're down in a pit and they need to face the stairs to climb up out of the darkness.
SPEAKER_00You are really good gives them the courage. This is the why it's hard to replace you. I mean, because you are really quite good on this stuff. Thank you, sir. You really are. No, you you work that in, you know, you know, it would be like there's hues only, it's not just you, it's like a it's like a ton, it's like a huge ton of a rocket almost, you know, of being able to that wasn't as good as yours. Hey, no, hey, that that that's as best as I could do that.
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SPEAKER_01I'm I'm not good at much except I can cut some promos. Oh no, that's about it. So I can lift heavy things, I can cut promos, but and I can be black. Besides that, don't ask me to do much else in life.
SPEAKER_00No, you do a lot of other things really, really well. For those of you that would like a list of them, you could put it in the comment, and Max will provide it for you. But no, he does all sorts of things that are really, really well. And he's a great co-host, has a lot of hats. That I do have a lot of hats.
SPEAKER_01A lot of hats, a lot of jewelry. That's it.
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