Paradigm Shift Episode 5: All The Behind the Scenes Drama At MARVEL Studios

Jesse & Rob Break Down All the Drama and conflict Between Actors and Marvel Studios, Why Some Actors Left,

Why Some NEED to LEAVE

And who needs to Return, Plus MUCH more

Dont miss These Hot takes

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Alright, welcome back to the paradigm shift. I am Big Rob, and of course, my brother from another mother, Jesse. What's going on, brother?

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Doing great, buddy. Glad to be back as always. Really excited for today's topic.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Yes. Today's topic, the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Got some big movies coming out this year, but we're gonna have a look back at what they've done up to this point, and then we'll get into the upcoming movies this year. Spider-Man, um, brand new day, and of course, Avengers Doomsday, the one everybody is looking forward to, including myself. Including myself. Let's get into it with number one Captain America, the first Avenger.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

What were your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Yeah, the Cap. What were your thoughts on the Cap my thoughts on Cap? Yeah. The first one, the The First Avenger, Captain America, that's what it's called.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Yeah. I I always really liked Cap. Um I I found it kind of ironic that they've carried Bucky through to it seems like one movie, one series after another, but they sort of ended Cap himself. And um I I think what I really like about it is he's a throwback from another era, right? Of of kind of when he came about. I I don't know the exact date if he came about in World War I or World War II, but somewhere somewhere right it was set in 19 between 1942 and 1945. Okay, so that'd be World War II. Um that's when it's set in, but I I I don't know. Do you know when he was created? Do you know when they created Captain America?

SPEAKER_02 1:53

What year the movie was created?

SPEAKER_00 1:55

No, the character, the comic.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Oh no, I I don't recall that.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Okay, okay. Anyway, yeah, regardless of all that, I really like that he's kind of like a nostalgic throwback, right? And I think that the the movies made him really modern, right? Like he still has the shield, but he can like throw the shield in really cool ways. It sort of bounces off of things and comes back to him like a boomerang, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Yeah, well then cat then Iron Man gave him that uh that tech in the shield that he could then call it back to him if it didn't come back to him, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yeah, yeah, that's that's really, really cool. Um so yeah, th those original movies I really liked. And you know, I I think the bad guy, um, you know, he kind of had that skull face, you know. It was kind of like your tip. Yeah, Red Skull. He was uh he was pretty neat. What was the what was the company he worked for? I can't think of the name right now. Uh Hydra Hydra. Hydra. There you go. Hydra, yeah. Uh Hale Hydra. I like the whole yeah, Hail Hydra, right? Again, a throwback to World War II. Um I I really liked just sort of the the feel of it uh with the Captain America movies, and kind of that, you know, he was this runt that they turned into a super soldier, you know, like it was just kind of a neat theme. I I don't know, you know, he they modernized somebody, it's almost like modernizing one of your grandparents is what they did with him, and I think they really made him relevant. And you know, the the Captain America movies, I mean, some of those are some of the best ones that they made over the last 20 years. Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

You know, I I find it interesting that the core the core members of the Avengers represent are represented, I mean, or what they represent. I mean, you could say that Captain America as a character represents the heart and soul, right? The the moral compass of of the group, right? These he's the heart, and then you've got Iron Man, Tony Stark, who's obviously the intellect, right? The brain. And I just I find that uh, I mean, I don't know what you'd call Thor the ego, the the pride. He's a god. You you mortals are so puny and weak. Yeah, but it's just it's funny how that they do reflect those uh those characteristics characteristics uh in humanity, right? Um, I'm with you. I like the nostalgia of it. It wasn't my favorite movie out of all of them. Uh, it's kind of like if I'm gonna watch them in in cinematic order, which is uh or uh chronological order, sorry, which is how we're gonna go through them here, by the way, right? Each movie on where they're supposed to be placed in the chronological order, not the order that they were released into theaters. So uh Marvel Universe timeline. But uh for me, the first Captain America, while it's okay, it's one of those movies where I'm like, I gotta watch it if I want to watch the whole thing in chronological order, so I gotta get through it, right? Yeah, because there are key plot points in the movie that you might forget since it's it might have been a while since you saw it, but I mean, and but that's how it was for all of their first movies, right? You could you could look at the first uh Captain America, the first Thor, the first Iron Man, and they were all really, really designed to introduce the characters to a new generation that never grew up with the comic books and stuff like that, right? So obviously there's a little it they pick up the first movies a little bit slower, right? Because though, like you people like you and I from our generation, well, we already know these characters, we don't need an introduction to who they are and stuff, but you know, you you got to appease everybody. So so it's understandable, it's no different than like a TV show or something that comes out. Usually the first couple seasons are soft because the actors are trying to feel out their roles and their characters and you know, chemistries building and all that kind of stuff. So it can like friends. The first like three seasons of Friends was a was eh, then it got good, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:17

So you know it's funny with Friends. I never watched it when it was live, but after the fact, like today, if like if I'm on vacation somewhere and it's like, hey, let's turn on the TV. Friends is always on somewhere, it's always on, and then you end up watching and you go, Oh, yeah, this is kind of funny, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yeah, it's it's one of those shows you can just throw on and watch over and over and over. It doesn't even matter which episode's on, right? No, yeah, friends is an all-time classic. All-time classic. Um, so number two would be the Fantastic Four, set in 1964, was one of the most recent ones released. I really did like the Fantastic Four movie. Maybe it was because they introduced Galactus. Uh, finally, everyone's been waiting for the introduction of Galactus, but it's kind of one of the first movies in this new corner that we're turning in the Marvel universe where they're making good stuff again, right? I guess you could say, and introducing the Fantastic Four and Galactus and the Silver Surfer and the X-Men and that kind of stuff is is what a lot of people have been kind of anticipating. So this kind of leads to the first step in that direction, right? I think was it, I think it was uh Fantastic Four post-credits scene. Was it Fantastic Four where oh that's that's where Doom was there. That's right. Doom's at the end of it. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember which one it was where the the Miss Marvel woman woke up with uh Beast and stuff like that. I can't remember which post-credit scene that was, it was a recent one, maybe it was the latest. Oh, it might have been just the latest Miss Marvel movie there, where there was the three the three women. Uh yeah, she woke up in uh with and Beast was taking care of her. So it's like, oh X-Men, and of course, who voiced Beast? Come on. Frasier, Kelsey Grammar. That's right. Frasier, he's back, he's back, baby. My favorite. No one can voice Beast better than Kelsey Grammar. Nobody.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

That's really funny. That's funny. No, but uh, we actually just saw um Fantastic Four a couple weeks ago. Um, I hadn't seen it, and uh, I really liked it. I I like the uh I like the Jetsons vibe of it, you know, it's just super retro. I thought it was pretty cool, and and I kind of I really liked um the different characters. You know which one was really funny, the guy that turns into fire. Um Johnny Storm. Yeah, he um I don't know if you recognize the actor. He's the guy that plays Eddie Munson on Stranger Things, the guy that's playing Master of Puppets. I could not believe that was the same guy.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

I was like, yes, I was like, err, where do I know him from when I was watching?

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Yeah, I kept thinking that too. I'm like, God, he kind of looks he kind of looks like Robert Downey Jr. with short hair. I was like, who is this guy? Like, I feel like I know him, and then sure enough, I was like, oh, he's Eddie Munson.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

Yeah, Eddie died. Yeah, I think it's because they put that short blonde hair on him, right? Yeah, he doesn't have the he doesn't have the 80s, the 70s, 80s big hair.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

No, no. But you know, I do have to say, going into Fantastic Four, I kept seeing the guy that looks like the Big Rock, and I thought, you know, like, I'm like, how's this guy? Is this gonna be a good character? I actually really liked him as a character. I thought he was great in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah. Well, they finally they did him properly this time. Like they've tried to make him a couple of times in the in the older versions of Fantastic Four, and he never did quite look right.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

In the other ones, this time they just went for exactly what he looks like in the comics, and it worked. And I like the fact that he grew a rock beard in the movie, too.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

I saw that too. I was like, wait a minute, like, does he have a beard now? There's a couple scenes there. I was like, uh, is that a rock beard? It is a rock beard.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

That was a win. That was a win. And the girl who played, I mean, a lot. This was a highly controversial uh decision, but they made the silver surfer female, and I know it bothers some people, right? I don't understand why that kind of stuff bothers people. I understand that it's like, well, the original Service Surfer was uh a male, yeah. But you know what? Does it really make much of a difference? Right? Like, I don't know. It did it, I didn't feel like it did. The girl from uh Ozarks, what is her name? I can't remember her name, but she's from the Ozark. The blonde girl, yeah. Oh, she played control. Yeah, really?

SPEAKER_00 11:12

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah, she did a great job. She, I actually, to be honest with you, I don't know if putting a male in that role would have made it better. To be honest with you, it doesn't really make a difference at the end of the day. It's entertainment, right? You could you could have that silver surf like in the comic books, let's be real. You've had different Spider-Man lineage been passed down, Superman's lineage has been passed down, Iron Man, like all of these characters have died off. How many Captain Americas has there been, right? Like, yeah, like you know what I mean? Like, there's been there's been um black Spider-Mans, white Spider-Mans, there's there's been female versions of Spider-Man. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's who cares?

SPEAKER_00 11:57

You know, even if you looked at like Star Wars, you now have baby Yoda, right? It's like Yoda isn't one of one. So maybe what you're saying is like the Silver Surfer isn't necessarily one of one. But it, you know, I I do have to say, watching that, it did kind of throw me off a little bit because I think of Silver Surfer in the in the male form, and specifically as somebody who's I've I've played guitar since I was 13, and one of the uh one of my guitar heroes has always been Joe Satriani. And I if you don't know him, he's been playing like recently with um Sammy Hagar, and he like they were doing like Van Halen covers, all kinds of stuff, but he was always a just a phenomenal virtuoso guitarist, and one of his albums is called Surfing with an Alien, and the cover of it is Silver Surfer. And and and I mean that album's been out for like 30 plus years, and so that's what I think of when I think of the Silver Surfer. I think of that album, Surfing with an Alien. That's fair. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

They might have a male Silver Surfer in the future. Like who knows at the end of the day. I mean, they tried a Silver Surfer, granted, the you know, they didn't really put as much into the special effects. I think it was Fox that made uh that that version of uh The Fantastic Four. And uh And yeah, it wasn't it didn't look very good at all, you know? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

But I I think I think my only I don't know if it would be a criticism or more so a suggestion, is I think in every good sequel there's a passing of the torch, right? And maybe that's the one thing that that movie missed with the Silver Surfer, is sort of the passing of the Silver Sur Surfer torch to now it's it's this girl, right? It's just sort of like she was just kind of there, and we're sort of assuming she's Silver Surfer, but we really didn't have any backstory or character development on her, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Yeah, they they could have, I mean, they they produced her as this like single mom on a beach when Galactus came and offered her and made her the Silver Surfer. They could have had they could have very simply thrown something into the story, like she finds Silver Surfer wounded mortally on the beach and passes it to her that way, or so it could have been very simply done, right? You're absolutely right, yeah. But you know, I I digress, I suppose. Some people think it's a big deal. I don't know. I personally I thought she did a fantastic job. I had no complaints about the Silver Surfer being a female or how she played the character in the role. I think it almost required it almost worked better because at the you know, in the end, the Silver Surfer ends up compassionate and turns on Galactus, right? Which is true, which is true to the comic books and stuff, right? It almost fits more that it was female, right? Because it was kind of like a connection between Sue Storm and her and uh as a mother, because she was a mother before she took on the mantle as a sil as the silver server. So I don't know, it makes it made sense, it fit anyway, but yeah, yeah. I just don't think I don't think it was that big of a deal to make the movie bomb anyway.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Right, yeah, I I would agree with that. I mean it was more of a side thing, but I think what's becoming more and more apparent, um at least today, versus let's say the last 10-15 years, maybe 20, is the writing needs to be really good. And and maybe maybe it's because it's making a movie is so much harder today than it was 20 years ago that it really has to be good for the studio to make money on it. And I think you know, there's so many good TV shows out there now, uh especially in Marvel and elsewhere, that have really kind of stepped up their game. And so, you know, that's all I would say. I think is that whenever you see a plot hole, it's kind of like, you know, they should probably address it later at some point or maybe develop it more, and maybe they will, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Yeah, yeah, they might do a they might do a solo silver surfer movie in the future where they explain that whole thing. Who knows, right? But yeah, I I I agree with you. Um I think that they have started to step up their game. I think that one of the biggest, I know there's a lot of actors out there that have a problem with Marvel and superhero movies, right? Is oh it's not real movie making and stuff like that. I've heard that a lot of times from actors who are not interested in in playing in Marvel but in superhero movies, but I mean, I think that one of the biggest appeals to fans when it comes to the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that the concept of a never-ending storyline is appealing, right? I mean, the storyline for Infinity War, for example, the build-up for that was years and and like dozens of movies, right? And you had to watch them all to get to to piece the storyline together. Hell, there was even a TV show or two thrown in there that you had to watch to follow the whole bigger picture storyline. And I think that that has a big it's a big appeal to me personally. I don't I like the idea of a storyline continuing on over the course of 10-15 movies with you know diff but but different movies, right? Fantastic Four, the story continues with X-Men, and then the story continues in the next door movie, and you know what I mean? Like for them to keep the story consistent, but from a different character's vantage point is very, very difficult in terms of writing, I would assume.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah, yeah, that you know what that makes me think of when you said that it made me think of Game of Thrones. Did you watch Game of Thrones?

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Oh, I love Game of Thrones, dude.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Me too, man. Once we passed the books, the whole show went down, right? But but when you got to that point with the books, it was so good and so built up. I mean, I was so invested, and I felt like Game of Thrones ended in a way that characters that we had seen for years were suddenly out of character in those last couple episodes, and it was like the whole thing ended flat, and then it was just like, yeah, we're done. And I hated that. And even even like the Night King and the White Walkers, I mean, they were building this thing up so long that they just like killed them in an instant, the whole thing's over. You're just like, this sucks, you know. Whereas I think with with Marvel, they've been able to kind of keep it going, and like you said, like different different characters and from their point of view, and you know, like obviously, you know, uh that movie was kind of like the climax, right? The the in in endgame, endgame or infinity war? What am I thinking of? Endgame?

SPEAKER_02 19:01

It's a two-part.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Yeah, I'm thinking of endgame, right? Like, like it all kind of like peaked at once, and I'd I would say they're still kind of building up to the next one, but but doomsday, by all accounts, could be huge, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Well, from what I understand, doomsday is supposed to be a two-part as well, like endgame wise. So it's supposed to be, uh I think it's supposed to be doomsday, and then um uh what's it called? Uh battle planet or something like that. That's what I'm hearing is just like the comics, all the universes get destroyed, but Doom pulls together little parts of every universe together, and there's only one planet, and all the heroes and all the villains are there, and everyone's got a battle, or whatever the case might be. That's something along those lines. That's what I've read, right? And that's consistent with the storyline, so in the comics, so but it's a it's a two-part, right? But like what they did with Kang, for example, the pivot that they you know that they made away from him, that was uh that was disappointing. And I mean, because the actor did something, I don't even remember what he did. I don't know if it was like spousal abuse or sirens.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, where they had to just cut him out all together. Boy, that was awkward.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Yeah, the what did like I didn't think that they had like people blame the fact like what he did in his personal life for them killing off Kang. I don't think they had to. They could have theoretically replaced him since like the actor, not the character, because there was Kangs from every universe, and a couple of them had already been killed or whatever. So uh so you could have just pulled a Kang from another universe and he just looks different, he's just a different actor. He didn't have to. I think Marvel made the mistake of making Kang look so weak that some ants beat him up, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

That's what really did it, I think, right? In in that Ant-Man movie, uh, they they really made him look soft. So, I mean, you could have easily replaced the actor, and it would have gone consistent with the storyline of the Marvel universe, so I don't think it would have been that big of a deal. But I guess they just decided to pivot off of him and go with Doom, which sucks a little bit because I think there's a lot of I I hope they come back to Kang at some point in the future because there is some opportunity there, right? For another big build-up. The problem is with Kang, they didn't build up to it, like they they did through Loki, which was great. Yeah, like Loki was great. I loved Loki. Are you talking about the show? The show, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Yeah, yeah. I I haven't seen season two, I saw season one.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Yeah, season two is even better. Really? Even better. Oh, yeah. So but it's but they built up Kang through that. Show. You know, and then for them to for them to do this, uh, to just kind of brush him aside later. I hope they they go back to him eventually with a different actor or something, and uh there's opportunity uh to really build up, or who knows? Maybe they're gonna go the next big bad will be Galactus now that they've introduced him. But I know with Thanos, I mean they took a long time to even before you like you'd only seen him like twice before uh the Infinity War, I think. You only saw him twice, and they were in post-credit scenes, right? Very, very mysterious and stuff like that. Uh, but apparently they they're bringing Thor back in Doomsday as well Thor, uh Thanos, they're bringing him back in Doomsday, so he will be back.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

You know, um one of my favorite characters, I really like Doctor Strange for whatever reason. I just thought he was so cool.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Oh, and they they couldn't have picked a better actor for it. But uh apparently, again, from what I'm reading, it's not a spoiler because I haven't there's no confirmation of it, it's just what I've read. But apparently, uh Doctor Strange sides with Doom. Whoa, because he agrees with what Doom is trying to accomplish, apparently. That's that's the comic book version, that's what happens in the comics. So um, yeah, apparently his his he aligns he aligns himself with uh with Doom. And it makes sense because he is that kind of character, right? He is very like, I'm gonna do what's best for uh for life for everybody, whether I come off as the good guy or the bad guy, like he did with the timestone, right? Right, right. So yeah. Interesting. What do you think about the fact that they brought uh Robert Downey Jr. back as Dr. Doom?

SPEAKER_00 24:03

I think it's awesome. I think it's it's like a shot of adrenaline in the arm, you know. Um when when he got on stage and pulled the mask off and it was him, I mean that that crowd went nuts, you know. Um great move, excellent move. And why not cast him as somebody else? Why does he always have to be Tony Stark? He doesn't. I mean, he can he can be recast, you know. Um he played Iron Man in so many movies. He did, he did, this is true, but at the same time, I mean, why not why not just rewrite it? You know, I'm I mean, you know, I think about uh this is gonna be an unpopular take, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I liked the first Daredevil where his mouth was closed. Do you remember that movie? It was it was I think it was the Wolverine movie. No, it's Ryan Reynolds, he's still Daredevil, but uh Wolverine fights him on the top of the nuclear power plant. Yeah, Deadpool, that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, yeah, Deadpool. Okay, um anyway, uh yeah, so uh my unpopular take was I really, really liked that movie. I thought that was an awesome movie. And then later it was like all of a sudden Deadpool came back, and now he's got jokes, and he's playing Ryan Reynolds.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing though. There are key actors, I think, that really, really bring the Marvel universe to life. And uh Robert Downey Jr. and Ryan bringing Ryan Reynolds in is massive as as uh Deadpool. Um Hugh Jackman. It's funny how Hugh Jackman went from I'm done playing Wolverine to all I want to do is play Wolverine.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yeah, because maybe he realized, like, oh, wait a minute, uh, this this is probably the best character of my career. Yes, it is, and you're still playing it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Well, yeah, you look at like, yeah, I mean, Hugh Jackman's done a played in a lot of movies, he's played Wolverine, but I mean, it pales in comparison to how many movies like Robert Downey Jr.'s paid up played Iron Man in, and maybe that kind of made him look and like, look, I could do like 20 of these things, really. And now that he's brought into the Marvel Universe, and now his character Wolverine now has the opportunity to engage with the Hulk and Iron Man and you know uh Ghost Rider and Deadpool and all these other characters and be a part of things. I think that opens up all kinds of endless possibilities. That's probably what uh what is making him so excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Yeah, yeah, you know, I think it's one of those things where actors, especially big name actors like Hugh Jackman, you know, that can carry a whole movie, they do probably get, you know, the big head every once in a while. But I think it's like, you know, the it's about the character, it's not about you. And so we want the character in another movie, and it can either be you or someone else, we'd rather it's you, and so you gotta just kind of come to terms with like you're Wolverine, and that's it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Well, and that's the thing. I mean, I get it, actors, you know, it's their careers as individuals, and you know, they they can feel however they want to feel about their careers, and I would never knock that, but for me, I mean, a lot of like there's an endless list of actors out there who would kill for the opportunity to be typecast into a massively successful role that they could just make bank off for their entire careers. There's an endless list of actors that would love that. Uh Harry Potter, you're typecast. Sorry, it is what it is, keep doing it, right? Because people love it. Wolverine, same thing, you Jackman, right? Um, I mean, I don't even know. I mean, I was gonna say Patrick Stewart for Professor X, but he's always gonna be uh Picard to me.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

So this is true, this is true, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

But I mean, like, there's actors that are just like that, like, look, you're perfect for this role, just do it, right? Because you can make bank off this for the next 20 years, right? You can go off and try to do other movies, but usually you find that when actors try to they do something wildly popular in their typecast and they try to do something else, it just never lands.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, yeah, I could see that. You know, um this may be another slightly unpopular take, but I'm gonna say it anyway because that's what we do on this show, right? Shift in the paradigm.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Yeah, baby.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Um, it you know what? I sometimes with the MCU, I get lost, and I almost have to have a translator next to me that's either my wife or my son to like like, all right, I don't I don't know what's going on now. Like the first season of Loki, I was starting to get really lost, right? But what I really, really like are the grittier Marvel shows and some some of the darker movies I really like, but especially like before they went to before it got bought by Disney when it was on Netflix. I mean, there were some really good ones, right? Between Daredevil and just some of those really dark ones, like the Iron Fist. I loved the everybody hated the Iron Fist. I loved it. Um like Luke Cage, I thought Luke Cage was awesome. And and I gotta say, the Daredevil Born Again, I don't know if you've seen that, but I've only watched one episode so far. Okay, season one is awesome, it's really good, and season two is starting this coming week, and I I am like stoked for season two of Daredevil. They're actually bringing back um, I think Jessica Jones in it, but I wouldn't doubt it if Daredevil made a cameo into the MCU at some point, also. Because again, you have this well-established actor, even Kingpin. Um, you know, he's well-established as well. You could totally insert them at some point. I mean, just great characters.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Daredevil's already been in uh in a few things. He's he was in Spider-Man, I think, twice.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Yeah, he he had little cameo scenes, right, where he was Matt Murdoch.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Yeah, he um he also was in uh She-Hulk. Yeah, I didn't see that one. Okay, yeah, he he shows up and they uh they start dating in She-Hulk. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, so uh, I think in later episodes, but uh a lot of people hated She-Hulk, and like there were parts that you know I didn't really agree with, like her twerking and stuff like that. I thought was really outside of that, I was entertained by that show. I looked forward to it. I watched it every week when the new episode came out. I I'll say it straight up. I I enjoyed She-Hulk. They had uh they had Hulk was in it, Daredevil was in it, they had uh legitimate bad guys in it. Um they even had uh what's his name? Uh Hulk's enemy there. Uh the big dude that Edward Norton's Hulk fought. What was his name again?

SPEAKER_00 31:30

I don't know. I'm drawing.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Abomination. Abomination. Okay. Yeah, he's in it. Um uh what's his name? Uh Doctor Strange's buddy there. Wong. Yeah, Wong's in it. There's lots of there's lots of characters in it. I liked it. I thought it was good, and uh, I thought it was a shame that they weren't gonna continue on. I hope they introduce her character into the movies at least. Um just tone down the twerking aspect of things, right? Like that's all, right? And I think a lot of people hated the fact that she broke the fourth wall in the show, right? But I thought that was hilarious. You know, like I don't know what you're talking about, like Ron, like Ryan Reynolds, you know, he'll like uh Deadpool will turn and face the camera and talk to us. Oh, okay, yeah, breaking the fourth wall. Okay, so she would she would do that, right? But in uh in a very, very good way, like uh like there was one scene where uh her friend comes jumping around the corner with costume ideas and she's got like knives between her knuckles, like Wolverine, and she's like that or whatever, and and she all she all turns to the camera and uh she says something, and then she says, Yeah, like when are we gonna see the X-Men? or something like and then she turns to the camera and goes, I got you guys. It's like, yes, because everyone's waiting for the X-Men, right? Like, I thought that was funny, man. That is funny. So and then, like, I think the big bad guy for that show ended up being um ended up being a computer, like uh an AI, and its name was Kevin Feige. Oh, that's weird. Was the guy, he's one of the creators, right, of the Marvel Universe. So she had to fight him. I don't know. I thought it was funny, but people, I don't know, people didn't like it, I suppose, but hopefully they bring the character back. I thought the the woman, I don't know her name, she did a good job playing uh She-Hulk. So yeah, Captain Marvel, for me, can't do it, bro. When when uh we I think we've talked about this before, when Brie Larson started making racist comments in public, that's all I see now is her political stance and her racist comments. I can't respect her. And every time I see her on film now, I'm all I think about is this the stuff that she said and her stances, and I'm like, I can't watch this movie now. You've just pulled me out of the storyline with your personal politics.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

You know what that makes me think of is there's a line in the corporate world about don't pee in the in the company pool. And that this is kind of like the same thing, right? You don't bring your politics into the office, you don't bring your politics to to work, period. And she crossed that line, and as a business, it it then becomes controversial and difficult to get past it because a lot of people that like you said, that's all you can think of now, and you can't really follow the character anymore, you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yeah, yeah. I was really looking forward to Miss Marvel coming out before the first one came out, and then just before it came out, she went and made these comments and started started being a racist. And I was like, now I that's all I see when I see you on screen now is your stupidity and your political stance. I don't want to know your political stance. Like Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr., I have no idea what their political stance is, nor do I care. Right, right. You're Tony Stark.

unknown 35:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

Well, not anymore. Now he's now he's Doom.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

Victor Von Doom, yeah. So yeah, I I can't do it with uh with Bree Larson. She's she's ruined it. I think they should uh they should continue on the course of replacing her with the uh the woman that got sent to uh the the black woman that got sent over to Beast at the end of the Marvel movie. Continue with her as Miss Marvel moving forward, and I can get back into the character, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:32

They can they could switch it up, they could do that. I mean, you know, case in point, look at um look at the guy that took over for Captain America, right? I think he's done a pretty good job, Anthony Mackey.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Like a lot of people are kind of like, oh, I don't know about this, but I'm like, what? Like, are you not watching him? Like, he's an excellent actor, you know.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

You know why? You know why I think I agree with you. I did go see his movie where he fought Red Hulk and all that stuff, and yeah, it was good. He's a good actor, he he plays the role very well. The problem is that he doesn't have any powers, he doesn't have strength or anything like that. That's why it's hard to watch a movie with him fighting the red Hulk when he doesn't have any super serum, he doesn't have any super strength or healing, or he's just a dude like you and me, and gets punched by you know by the red hulk, he'd be dead.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Yeah, yeah. We we gotta inject him with something.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Yeah, give the man a pin for crying out loud. Give him some strength or something. But I I think that's people's hesitation with his character is that he doesn't, he's just a dude, like he doesn't have any powers, no strength, no no recovery, you know, like no super like even Captain America, he could run faster than a car, too, right? We saw it in the first the first uh Captain America movies, he's running and catches a car, right? Crying out loud. But uh yeah, but he doesn't have that, and I think that's people's biggest reservation about him playing like the character is is just that. I think if they gave him but I don't know if his character had strength in the comic books, maybe that's why they stayed true to it, but I mean I guess it's neither here nor there because Captain America's coming back, so right, right.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Hey, I got I got another unpopular take for you.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Bring it on.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

I'm full of them today. Here's number three. Let's try this one. Um so so you know what movie um I went and saw with my son that I really liked that he thought was terrible was Morbius. Did you ever see that one? I liked Morbius, I did too. He thought it was awful. He's like, that was the worst movie ever. And and truthfully, whenever I see Jared Leto now, I all I think of is like him being drunk at some Hollywood party hitting on all the women, and they're like, Oh god, he's here. Like, that's that's all I think about when I see him now. But I thought it was a good movie.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yeah, it was good. I I didn't mind it at all. I I think it was a good introduction to the character, and I mean the way that he met up with uh the vulture afterwards in the end credits sets up for the the insidious six, right? But how do you bring back Doc Ock for that, right? Because you need you need Morbius, uh you need Scorpion, Doc Ock, um Vulture, Rhino. Who is the sixth? Was it Sandman? I don't remember, but anyway.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Yeah, I don't I don't know. You're going way beyond what I know about it.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

Going into the depths, man.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

You left you left me a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

I think it was Sandman, but I can't remember. Um Iron Man 2 was kind of soft. Uh same thing with Iron Man 1. Um, but again, introduction to the character. So it was they were they were watchable, they're re-watchable.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Hey, what what did you think of Cheetle as the war machine?

SPEAKER_02 39:18

You know what? I liked him better than uh the other dude there. What was the other guy's name? Do you remember? No. Yeah, exactly. Apparently he was forgettable. Well, apparently he I mean he was demanding more money. I think he was asking for the same pay as Robert Downey Jr. or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are are you talking about Mickey Rourke? Wasn't Mickey Rourke in one of them?

SPEAKER_02 39:47

He was the bad guy in the second uh yeah, he was uh But he was the war machine though.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

No, no, no, okay, okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Uh Robert Downey Jr. did a decent job.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Or uh uh not Robert Downey Jr. Um Don Cheadle.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

No, no, no. Uh Mickey Rourke.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Yeah.

unknown 40:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

He did a he did a good job too. I would have liked his character to survive and have come back, but I think that there was con there was some conflict between him and Marvel Studios. That's probably why we don't see him again. But uh yeah, I liked Don Cheeto as uh as War Machine. I like that he's still there. Um I thought I thought it was interesting that they broke his back, and then for a lot of it, he was like a you know, he's walking around with a cane now and stuff like that. Uh, but I think it added some compassion to the character and made him a little bit more, I guess, lovable. I don't know. Um right. But uh I don't know if he's still gonna be walking with that, but I'm glad they didn't try to make him into the new Iron Man. Um my big question is with Avengers Doomsday and Robert Downey Jr. playing Victor Von Doom, I think a lot of people I haven't really heard anybody talk about it, but a lot of people are not realizing that there's no Iron Man in this movie. Right? Yeah, it's just dawning on me. There's no Iron Man in this in this, right? So, I mean, is someone else gonna take up the mantle, or is Tony Stark gonna play both characters, or or I mean Robert Downey Jr. is he gonna play both characters? Like, I don't know. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't even think about the fact that that there's not gonna be an Iron Man in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

You know, it I would not put it past Marvel to have some crazy wrinkles in that one, some stuff that just everybody goes, Oh, and you know, we never saw it coming, you know. Tom Cruise. Yeah, you know, uh it's funny how you brought up the actor thing earlier. I think it's kind of like a rite of passage as an actor. Like you know, you've made it if you've done Marvel and Star Wars, then you can literally do any anything else in your whole career. Um so yeah, yeah, I mean, there's quite a few big names that haven't been in it yet that you could you could totally insert in there if they were willing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Well, that's a thing, as long as they're willing, yeah. I mean, I I think there's a whole litany of characters that that have done it, and I think that they, you know, you could tell that they really loved it, right? Um, I can't remember his name, so I'm not gonna stay stuck on it too long, but uh uh he he played um in Iron Man. He was the Mandarin. What was what's his name? The actor Sir, he's a Sir, Sir something. Yeah, I I can't remember off the top of my head, but uh anyway. I think he I think he really enjoyed his kids. He's very comical in it. And uh but uh I like that they can do that, they can have the comedy in there and stuff as well, and you know, there's a little bit for everybody. I think that the individual here here's here's a hot take for you. Right? Here's one for you the first at least two Thor movies were not good, and the last two were my favorite. Everybody seems to hate Love and Thunder. I loved Love and Thunder. Fat Thor, right? He was fat in um Avengers, was he? Yeah, he was fat in Avengers, yeah. He leaned back out uh for Love and Thunder, and uh uh because Love and Thunder was supposed to happen like shortly after um Ragnarok. Ragnarok was great. Yeah. Right. But those are the two everybody hates. But I thought they were way better than the first two. Yeah, that's the dark elves. I don't care about the dark elves. You know?

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Yeah. Yeah. You know, the thing with Thor is, you know, it's like, yeah, he's a god, and they try and go down that storyline, but it's like that storyline gets kind of boring. Like you got to do something a little more with it. And you know, the other thing too is that Chris Hemsworth is such a good actor, and he's so funny that you kind of have to go after that every chance you can get, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

He really is. He he does a great job playing Thor. And the the Ditzy Thor, like socially ditzy, right? That's just hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

When him and uh uh what what's his name? Uh Chris uh what's his name? Uh the guy who plays um in Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt, yes. Him and Chris Pratt are standing there deciding where to go at the end of the uh Thor movie there, and they're like, we all know who's in charge. Yeah. You, yeah, yeah, totally you. Uh the and then he starts calling them the as guardians of the galaxy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

I remember that. That was funny. You know, um, I don't know if you ever saw it. He did a uh he did a cameo in the Ghostbuster movie that it was the three w women, I think. And he was like the secretary that answered the phone. He was so funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

He's got a good sense of humor for sure. Yeah, he's not afraid to make fun of himself, and that's I think that's what brings quality to to some actors, right? Is that they they do that. The rock is similar too. He'll do he'll do movies that degrade him, but in a comical way, and it's like, okay, so he can, you know, he can laugh at himself, right? He doesn't take himself too seriously, yeah. And I think that's important, right? I think that's why people end up liking those kind of actors. And he's done like so many, he's played Thor almost as much as Robert Downey Jr.'s played Iron Man. And I hope he doesn't stop. I really do. Right? Like, name something that any of them have done that's been as big as a Marvel movie since they've done Marvel movies.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Yeah, nothing, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Yeah, they've done other stuff, but it's all kind of landed a little flat, right? So yeah, uh Guardians of the Galaxy. I I really enjoyed. I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy, all of them for the most part. I think the well, hold on.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

I gotta say, the guy that's the giant tree. Groot, who came up with that character? I mean, what like that's the character that I just I I look at it and I'm just like, huh? And then he goes, I'm Groot.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

And then he does some like big thing that saves everybody in the end, right? Yeah, yeah. But here's the thing for me. Why are you paying Vin Diesel to do the voice of Groot?

SPEAKER_00 47:18

Why are you paying Bradley Cooper to be a raccoon? You know? That's fair, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

But well, I mean, a little different because I mean Rocket has so many more lines and so much more to his character than Groot does. I'll Groot does and say I am Groot. Right. 15 times a movie, right? So, I mean, Rocket's got some real comedy to him. Did it have to be Brad? Probably not, but it fits.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

So well, I gotta say with Guardians of the Galaxy that something about Chris Pratt, he's got like that 1980s movie star kind of vibe to him that he can he can just pull it off, you know. And um I I really like his movies just in general, like I think he's an excellent actor. And by the way, um I don't know if you ever saw where he did uh the terminalist on Amazon. I mean, phenomenal show where he's not funny, where it's like totally serious, you know. Yeah, and uh yeah, you know, I'm I'm sure you know this as well. He's married to Schwarzenegger's daughter, you know.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's hilarious, though. I remember him saying that they like this, he almost didn't get the role, yeah, right, because he was uh he was out of shape, and the studio told him you better lose some weight before or else, right? They give him like I don't know, X amount of time. But did you know his story? How he got this, how he became an actor? No. I remember watching him talk about it. Uh he was a waiter and out out uh I think out west, and he was serving this table, and the woman he was serving was a director of a movie, right? And she said he had to look for the role, and he's he was actually an aspiring actor, but couldn't get a break, right? So she said, Okay, filming starts like I don't know, like next week or something like that in New York. But he didn't have money to fly to New York, so he's like, I can't take the role, I can't remember what the role was, but so we said I called the woman and I said, Look, I really want to do this, but I can't do it because I don't have a way to get to New York, right? To for filming. And she says to him, Honey, we paid for your flight. Like for flying you out here to play the play the role, right? Like, so that's how he got discovered. He was serving uh in a restaurant, he was a server, and that's just how it happened for him.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

So that's really funny, you know. Um, I don't know if if you um follow him on like Instagram or anything like that. I know I was following him for a while, and he would post some really funny stuff, like just hilarious videos. And one of them was was kind of like that where um he was like, All right, day number one of 200, getting back in shape. Here we go, you know, and like he's just fat and uh you know, like he's let himself go and he's making light of every bit of it, and he's like, Oh my god, I feel like I'm gonna die, you know, as he's gearing up for his next big role.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Yeah, he's hilarious, he really is. He pulls it off really, really well for sure. And uh, I like that he's a Christian as well. I am, so it's you know, I like that. And he the way he manages to to do it so successfully and be a Christian at the same time is fantastic. I think he does a great job. I just watched his most recent movie on Netflix, there uh I can't remember the name of it, uh, but it was really good. It was really good. It was in, or no, it's not on Netflix. Sorry, I went to theaters, and I remember I told my wife, I was like, wow, Chris Pratt movies in theaters. I think I'm probably gonna go check it out, right? And then like two weeks later, it was gone out of theaters. I looked at my wife, I was like, damn, that movie must have sucked in the left theaters after two weeks, right? So I I it showed up on my Android box, so I watched it on my Android box, and I was like captivated the whole time. I was like, this is a fantastic movie. Like he didn't so I don't know why it didn't stay in theaters. I can't remember what it was called, but anyway, it reminded me of like uh uh what's that movie with Tom Cruise where they uh they predict crimes before they happen.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Oh, with the precogs.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember what it's called. Um like precognition or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

No, no, it'll it'll come to me later, but yeah, the one in the future.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

Yeah, it was it was similar to that in terms of uh you know, they're kind of an AI is kind of determining his guilt or innocence in a court case or whatever. So yeah. But I agree, I like Chris Pratt. Uh going down into the newer ones, I mean Age of Ultron, I liked. I I don't think I I don't think I disliked any of the actual Avengers movies. How could you?

SPEAKER_00 52:27

I I think I remember that one, and I don't I don't recall really liking that one very much. I don't know. The the bad guy just didn't really do it for me. Ultron? Yeah, I just didn't quite get there on that one.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

I wonder if they're gonna bring him back, his character back. That would be interesting. The Black Widow movies were movie was kind of kind of soft. I mean, I don't think her character it's it's a good movie for it being a movie, but it's not really in line with Marvel kind of. I don't know. Like, was there I don't even know. Was there an individual Black Widow comic series? I don't know. There must have been. Yeah, there must have been. I didn't I don't know. I didn't care for it very much.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

I think of hold on, what do you think of how they kind of pass the torch to her sister and now it's the Thunderbolts?

SPEAKER_02 53:22

I think her sister, the girl who plays her sister, uh does better comedy parts. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I like I like her. Thunderbolts was good, I liked it. I did I didn't like how they ended it similar to what you were talking about, the ending just kind of falls flat. I think it kind of fell flat with the whole you know, people are just kind of you know, it's so disappeared. Yeah, like what the hell are we doing here, right? Like, I didn't like that. His sadness was engulfing people. I thought that was kind of soft, but yeah, um but I mean I'm glad they kept the character around and stuff. But uh Thunderbolts was a lot of good comedy to it. I I really, really like uh I can't remember his name, the guy who plays the father of the Black Widows.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

You're talking about David Harbour, he made that whole movie for sure. Well, like if he wasn't in that, I don't know if that would have been anywhere near as funny. And for those who don't know, he's the guy who plays Hopper on Stranger Things, also uh you know. I went into that and I thought, I don't know if I could follow him with a Russian accent. I mean, is this just gonna be awful? But it was hilarious. I mean, it was really funny.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Oh, he's he's fantastic, yeah. He made it, he made the whole thing, in my opinion. Um, but the daughter does a good job. The replacement for Black Widow, she does a fantastic job. Uh, she hits humor at the right time, uh, she delivers it properly really well, almost better than um than Scarlett Johansson, really.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Yeah, I I I think I I what I really liked about the Thunderbolts is kind of how they know they're like a shittier second-rate Avengers. They kind of know it, you know. It's like, yeah, we're not quite as good, but here we are, you know, Thunderbolts.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

The B team. Yeah. But uh they're in Doomsday too. So apparently it's gonna be broken up into teams, from what I understand. Um, the Thunderbolts are gonna be doing something together separately. Um, and then you've got like the X-Men doing something, um, the Avengers doing something, and then you've got I think Wolverine and Deadpool's group with Gambit and them uh and Elektra. I think they're gonna and Blade. I'm not sure if they're bringing Blade back or not, but they're gonna be so there's like four different groups coming at it from different angles, and eventually I'm sure they all kind of you know come together. But uh, that's from what I've read so far. That's kind of the storyline. Hey, and it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Let me say another uh maybe unpopular take here. But it might be popular. I don't know. This one might go either way. Is Channing Tatum recast as Gambit? I don't know if I'm on board with that one. Really? Yes, I like the first one better, the one from the Wolverine movie. He was excellent.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

He was terrible, he was terrible. Oh, Channing Tatum for sure.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

The amount he's not even from Louisiana, and I gotta like listen to this accent like he's from the bayou. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

But I will say this Channing Tatum puts a lot of work into being Gambit. Like, I've watched a lot of the um, I watched a lot of the creating of the movie and stuff, and the amount of work that he puts in behind the scenes, like to practice all of the moves and in the fight scenes and all this kind of stuff, and learning to throw cards and twirl that stick around and all that kind of stuff. Like, he put a lot of work, like he took that shit seriously. Yeah, like yeah, so and I and he didn't go for a body double or anything like that, he wanted to do it all. So I give him a lot of respect for that, and I think that he just fits, he it fits. It's like Wesley Snipes' blade, you know. But it sucks that he's so old now. Wesley Snipes, yeah, yeah, because I'm sorry, but in in that Deadpool movie, he looked, I was excited to see him as Blade, but he looked like shit.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Well, you know what I gotta say when it comes to Blade is that okay, I remember when Ryan Reynolds first came out on with Van Wilder, right? And it was hilarious, and that was the first time that he played himself, Van Wilder, right? But the Blade movie that he was in, where it was him, the girl, and Wesley Snipes.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Play three, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:55

Yeah, he was awesome in that movie. And I remember like going back at you know, I'm sure you you saw some of this like I did. Um, like he was on the cover of like men's health and all these things and like his diet. And I mean, we were like emulating everything he was doing because he got in Blade and he went from puny Van Wilder to like ripped when he was there. Yeah, he was awesome. And and I think that's one of the rare movies where he's not playing himself. Every other movie, it's like he it's Ryan Reynolds playing Ryan Reynolds, he's got the Ryan Reynolds jokes, but that one he didn't, like he he was he was full-blown, like really going for it. I really like that one.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

Yeah, I agree. I liked it too. Apparently, uh back then it was going around that uh Ryan Reynolds and Wesley Snipes hated each other, really, right? Or rather, Wesley Snipes hated Ryan Reynolds, thought he was kind of a smart ass and didn't like him, right? That was I wonder why.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

I mean, now that we know it's kind of like well, yeah, maybe he saw it first, you know.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

Yeah. But then I saw a lot of the interviews with Wesley Snipes and stuff like that later, and there was a lot of bravado about how you know he he acknowledged that this rumor had been going around since Blade 3 about how him and Ryan or how he didn't like Ryan Reynolds or whatever. There was all this problems between them, and he's like, Little do you guys know, me and Ryan Reynolds have been friends this whole time, right? He's like, he texted me and said, Hey man, you want to come back and play Blade? And I was like, Yeah, and he he brought me back. And I was like, you know what? I call bullshit. I do. I think that uh I think that you know when Blade was at its peak there, I think Wesley Snipes had a bit of an ego, and I think that he didn't want to share the spotlight with someone like Ryan Reynolds. I think that the the trouble between them was true, and I think that years later, Ryan Reynolds did what was best for business and brought back the original Blade because that's what was best for the movie, right? I think that Ryan Reynolds is probably just able to put shit behind him and move forward and make a better movie with because I think he knew it was a better movie with Wesley Slaves in it than without him in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

So I think it was a matter of doing the right thing at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

I I think with Wesley Snipes, you know, kind of putting this in context, right? Like he was coming off Passenger 57, awesome, awesome movie. He came off a Demolition Man. Oh, argue. Yeah, Demolition Man, though, was my that was that was like of that era, that was the movie, Demolition Man, him and Stallone, you know. I mean, and he was Stallone's equal. And so, you know, I think you could say in the time sense, like, has Stallone maintained his stature? Yes. Has Wesley sniped? No. And he's probably felt slighted about it, you know, like, and he even went to prison for tax evasion, which is just pure insanity, uh, that that that even happened to begin with. And so I think he's sort of like he sort of got knocked down a few rungs. And I agree with you. I think back then when he was blade, I mean he was still like the guy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

Um did you see the joke he made in uh uh uh what's uh the the expendables?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:43

Oh yeah, uh Wesley Snipes, and I think it was Expendables, I want to say three. Okay, two or three, Wesley Snipes was in. And uh in the plane, they they break Wesley Snipes' character out of prison, right? And they're flying away, and Wes uh Stallone looks at him and says, uh what did they what did they get you for, or whatever? And he's like, tax evasion. Great.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

At least we can laugh about it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

100%. But you're right. I I think his career kind of you know took a little bit of a uh nosedive at that, you know, different trajectory. And I think that him saying, Well, you know, me and Ryan have been friends this whole time, and you know, I think that was just him trying not to look like he was given pity roll or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Yeah, even saving face, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

Yeah, you know, I think that's what it was, even though it wasn't a pity roll, it was really just what was best. It's just best to have Wesley Snipes in the movie, right? As Blade, if you're gonna do that, right? You're gonna bring back uh Electra, you gotta bring back the original, which they did, Jennifer Gardner, right? Uh, and yeah, bringing back the original blade. I'm looking forward to in Avengers Doomsday to shift gears, speaking of kind of the darker characters. Norman, I can't remember his last name, but he plays um Daryl on The Walking Dead playing Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:27

Nick Cage isn't in it. Recast.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

I think it's recast. I read that he was gonna be playing that he was gonna be playing um uh Ghost Rider moving forward, yeah. Wow. They might have two Ghost Riders. I don't know. I mean, for crying out loud, they have multiple universes to pull from, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

So yeah, yeah. I you know, I don't know if the Nick Cage's ghostwriter ever really took hold anywhere. Yeah, I don't I don't think so. You know, uh one of my uh favorite ones that I do kind of think took hold was um the guy who played uh Punisher on uh on on the Netflix stuff. Uh he was really, really good. Like they definitely need to bring him into the MCU. You know, they did.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

He's in he's in the new Spider-Man coming out this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:17

Perfect. Yeah, John uh Burnthal, I think is his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

From Walking Dead as well. Yeah, he's uh they I we broke down one of the trailers over on our uh our movie YouTube channel, and uh there's a scene in the trailer where uh he's fighting Spider-Man and Spider-Man like kind of tosses him and shoots him wet. He's about to he's about to swear, and Spider-Man kind of webs his mouth shut and says, Go home, Frank, as he swing away.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

That's really funny. Yeah, you know, um when he was in those those Netflix shows, I mean they were dark, you know, and like typically Marvel doesn't get that dark, and especially Disney Marvel usually does not, though I would say Daredevil Born Again is it definitely gets in a little grittier, which it should, right? Like that's the reason like a lot of people like those, is they were more gritty. But when he was the punisher, I mean he was just like capping people left and right, like he doesn't care, he'll shoot anybody, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:19

He's a punisher.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

He's punishing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

Yeah, I like he was a good character.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Um, yeah, they've they've brought him in. I'm happy about that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

You know, you know what we haven't talked about yet, and this is maybe an elephant in the room is the Black Panther. Um the Black Panther, man. We gotta go there. We gotta go there. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:50

I mean the first what was it two? The first the first Black Panther movie excellent.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Yeah. I never even saw the second one, I'll readily admit. I only saw the first one.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

There was only two, right? The girl played yeah. When they replaced and listen, I understand. It's unfortunate. The the the the actor, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, he passed away from cancer, and that's awful. It sucks that you know, because but I mean at least he got this this memorable role in his career that he'll always be remembered for, right? Yeah, so that's fantastic. Um interesting side note about him, actually, he was uh his his education was funded by I believe Denzel Washington.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:42

Yeah, he was just a kid, and uh yeah, I think Denzel Washington actually uh I remember watching him accept an award uh for the movie and he he accredited his career to Denzel Washington. He said, without him, there is no uh there is no Black Panther. So interesting little side note there, but um shout out to Denzel. But uh yeah, I mean for me I liked that they introduced um what's his name, Mariner or whatever, the the sea guy there with the wings on his ankles. Okay, yeah, you know who I'm talking about, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:19

Is he the one that sort of looked like a stingray? Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

No, no, he's like uh Marvel's version of Aquaman. Oh yeah, I can't remember his name, his character's name off the top of my head. I he needed to be introduced, but uh, so it's good that they introduced him, but uh the the girl, his sister playing um playing the the Black Panther. Um didn't do it for yeah no I I had no interest, and then you had that other girl trying to like there, it's almost like their Iron Heart, they were like testing the waters to see if people would be cool with her replacing Iron Man or something, and I was like, you know what? You you're testing too much shit in this movie, and it's ruining the movie. I didn't think it was good at all, really, not at all. No, didn't do it for me. You know who they should have made the next Black Panther? Who's that? The guy who's like uh uh the good the gorilla, the leader of the gorilla uh tribe that's still there. He's he's still in the movies. What's his name? Right, he shows up the cat, and you know, the guy that's you know who I'm talking about, right? I think so. I think so, yeah. They got the gorilla masks when they come down. He he fights, he's the original guy that fights for uh the first one-on-one combat to to be the Black Panther, and he loses.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:50

Yeah, he would have been a natural choice, and he was already in the world, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

And he's hilarious too. He's a good, he's funny, he's you know, and like you said, everyone is comfortable, they know his character. They should have made him uh the the next Black Panther. It just doesn't work with his sister. I mean, she already had her key, key role as the uh the intellect, right? The person who designs the technology behind Black Panther.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:19

So you think it's a it's it's a leap to shift the key part of her identity to something else, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:27

I uh I don't like that, so I don't know, didn't work for me, not at all. Hmm. What about you?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:37

Um who who I think could replace Black Panther?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Well, first, how did you feel about her being Black Panther, first of all?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

Well, uh, I mean again, I I never even saw the second movie. Uh after after I I think his name was Chadw Chadwick. Chadwick. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. After he passed away, it was kind of like it it kind of lost all its steam for me. And I I just I don't know. It's one of those I've never gone back to for whatever reason. But I mean, I saw the girls and they have the spear, and you know, I thought, okay, this that's cool, but I don't, I don't know. It just the whole thing kind of fell flat, truthfully.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:14

For me, there's certain movies in the Marvel universe that are really, really terrible, but you have to watch them once to know to continue to follow the storyline.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Right? I mean, you have to see the introduction of um I can't remember his name. Submariner. I don't know. I don't can't remember his name off the top of my head, but uh Marvel's version of Aquaman. Anyway, I know people are gonna be pissed off that I say that, but I don't care. Know your facts, yeah. Educate yourself, man. Yeah, but there's some movies like that that you have to watch to follow the storyline, right? It's unfortunate, but um yeah, Captain America fell soft. Deadpool and Wolverine was amazing. Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:15

Yeah, I I did really like that one. I thought that was a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Yeah, there's the argument in the in the they're they're sitting in like a Honda uh what is it? It's like a van. What is it called? Um I can't remember what they're called. Anyway, the Honda minivan or whatever it is. Talking about the Astro Van. Yeah, they're completely destroying the inside of the painting, and uh, it's just hilarious. They're trying to battle with no room inside a van. I don't know. And they're both they both heal incredibly fast, so there's just this non-stop battle. You say one more word.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:55

Yeah, they had a good back and forth for sure. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

I thought it was excellent. You can tell they're friends in real life, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:03

So, you know, um, this is a bit of a sidebar, but you know what movie was um also like that, kind of going back to The Rock, was that movie that he did with uh Jason Statham, where they were like it was like the battle of who's got the biggest ego back and forth the whole movie. And it it was god that I can't even think of the name of it. It was so funny. And like he told a joke at one point about something about you know, the rock said to him, like, like he needed to borrow his pants or something. He's like, Yeah, what's that? Hobbes and Shaw. Hobbs and Shaw, yes, yeah, yeah, where he told the joke about like, yeah, you know, you borrow a pair of pair of pants from from me, you know, but they're probably a little too big in the crotch for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. You gotta have that kind of comedy in there, right? That slap slapstick comedy. But uh, I I mean, I think it was, yeah. I liked back, I liked Deadpool and uh and Wolverine. Captain America Brave New World, again, another movie I felt sucked, but you had to watch it to follow along with the storyline. They introduced uh what Brainiac or whatever his name is, uh bad guy for the Hulk. So they introduced his character, you know, he'll be more and more involved moving forward. We need a couple of Hulk individual Hulk movies with uh with Mark Ruffalo.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:38

He hasn't done it in a long time, man. Long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

There's been none. He hasn't done a single individual Hulk movie yet. And I wonder why that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

He hasn't, yeah. I guess you're right, because before it was Eric Banner, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:54

Yeah, it was it was uh Edward Norton. And it was Eric Banner before that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

Wow, wow. Huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:02

Yeah, we haven't had one in this current uh Marvel Cinematic Universe. We have not had an individual Hulk movie. The Edward Norton movie was made before the Marvel Universe was created, and then they got rid of Edward Norton because apparently uh in that movie, The Hulk, Edward Norton continued to rewrite scripts and was really, really difficult to work with. Uh, he kept demanding that they change scenes and uh all that kind of stuff. Like they would give him the script for the next day, and he would come back and it would be like two-thirds rewritten. And like, yeah, so they were like, Yeah, you know what, we're gonna go in another direction. Again, ego, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:45

Ego, boy, that's a tough one. And you know, you gotta think with Ed Norton, too. I mean, he he had some pretty pretty high peaks in his career as well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

Yeah, yeah, he did some good ones. Uh, American History X. That was a fantastic movie. He did a great job as an actor. Uh, but yeah, apparently he's uh he's kind of a dick. Right? That's the reports out of Hollywood is people don't like working with him. You got Eric Ruffalo and uh what's the kid that plays Spider-Man? What's his name? You talking about Tom? Tom, yeah, uh Tom Holland. Apparently, those two guys have a real, real hard time keeping secrets. Really? Yeah, they keep like, have you not seen like uh Tom Holland like was giving away things on like uh one of those late night talk shows. Uh he was promoting the show and he was he was saying things he shouldn't be saying, and then and then like Mark Ruffalo is sitting there beside uh in an interview beside uh uh Cheeto, Cheeto, right? And he's like they're talking about Avengers uh Infinity War, and he's like, Oh yeah, he says, You're gonna love it. Like everybody dies. That's really funny. Yeah, from what I've seen things saying that like they they always have to send Tom Holland and Mark Ruffalo fake scripts uh for the movie. They're gonna blow it. They'll accidentally say something, they don't get the scripts until the day of shooting.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:26

That's really funny. Um I I was talking to my son recently, and I said, uh, I said, Hey, did you see where Zen Zendaya and uh uh Tom Holland supposedly got married? And he was like, Yeah, yeah, I did see that because you know it's kind of a big deal for their generation, like these are like you know, they're heroes, right? And uh he's like, Yeah, but there's part of it, he's like, I'm not sure if it's true or not, that uh Tom Holland said that he changed his name to Tom. Like, there's no more Holland. So it's Zendaya and Tom, because she's just a one-name person, and now he's one name. Oh god. So it's just Tom. Cruise or yeah, no Holland, just Tom.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:16

So to yeah, to kind of close it out, we're kind of running out of time here. Uh, I am really, really looking forward to Spider-Man in July.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

Okay, wait a minute. What about Venom? We didn't cover Venom, but uh, he's supposed to be in Spider-Man, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:32

Well, the previews that I the trailers I saw, he's not in any of the trailers that I saw. Okay. There's a lot, but but Marvel has been known to leave stuff out until you get there to watch the movie and then bam. Or maybe he's because he was in Tom Holland's Spider-Man was in a post-credit scene of the last Venom movie. So that crossover is expected.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:01

Is it gonna be in this movie, or are they I because from what I understand, Tom Holland, I think, signed on for three more Spider-Man movies. So there's this one that's coming out, and I think there's another two, so maybe they don't do Venom until the next movie, if he's not in this one, but he's not in any of the trailers that I saw.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

You know, I could be wrong about this, but I feel like in the comic books they crossed over and they were like all in the same yeah, all the time. And it's it's just kind of weird that in the in the movie world, the MCU that they haven't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:40

Well, Venom gets his powers from Spider-Man. Because in the comics, that's what happens is that Spider-Man is the original human that has contact with the Symbiont, and that's it, and then it copies his powers, it mimics his powers, and it goes to Eddie Brock, and that's why Venom can climb walls and shoot webs and do all the stuff that he does. That's the story, right? But from what I saw, he's not uh he's not in the trailers because we did a breakdown of the trailer and you know, it wasn't in it. Okay, but maybe they introduced Venom in Doomsday or Battle Planet. Yeah, Dragon O forever, but from the trailers I've seen so far, no venom. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised though if uh if they just left it out of the trailers. And then boom, there he is. Maybe he shows up at the end of the movie and he's the next you know bad guy, if you call him that.

unknown 1:19:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

Conflict.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

I guess we'll see. To be determined.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:57

To be determined. You know, the good thing is with all these characters, you're bound to have conflict and drama. So you can kind of I mean they can they can set this thing up any way they want, you know. Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:10

I hope they drag it out. I'm glad I'm just glad that they're moving venom over from Sony to the Marvel universe. Because I mean Sony did a decent job introducing Carnage and all that kind of stuff, but there's a whole other world out there in Marvel for Venom to engage with. I want to see the the Symbiont. I mean, over the years, the Symbiont has been attached to a lot of different characters. I think it's gotten onto Wolverine before, it's gotten onto a lot of different uh I think it's it's been on the Hulk, right? So uh it would be interesting to see that. But who knows? Okay. All right, brother. Well, I think that wraps this one up.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:55

Yeah, I think we've we've covered uh we could almost do another, but we could almost do another one talking.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

There's so much to get into, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:06

Truthfully, that you know, to be honest, I could I could talk about the shows probably more than I could even talk about the movies. I don't know. I it the shows are just grittier, and I I don't know, I just really like the shows for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:20

Well, why don't you watch Loki season two?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:24

Because that's there's a lot in there leading into what's happening in Doom, so you have to watch it to know what's going on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Isn't there it? There's also a new one that they just dropped. I think it's like Wonder Man or something like that, where he's a he's an actor playing a superhero, but he's actually got superpowers.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:45

I never saw that, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:47

Yeah, yeah, there's a new one that they they just uh released recently, too. So there could be there could be a few Easter eggs in that also.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:55

I'm gonna have to check it out. Apparently, the storyline for Doomsday though is Loki. I'm not gonna tell you why, because you have to watch season two to get it, but Loki is instrumental in pulling all the heroes together. Ah and you have to watch season two to know why.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:19

Good to know, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:22

I'm not gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, so all right, buddy. Well, I will see you on Wednesday, and uh, as always, everybody, thank you so much for listening. Thanks for uh supporting our podcast. Always give us a five-star review, be greatly, greatly appreciated. And let us know what topics you want us to cover as well, right? If there's something you want to hear our opinions on or you want us to talk about, fire away. Let us know, guys. We'll see you in the next one.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:55

Yeah, I think if if there's a rabbit hole and a hot take, we're willing to go down that road. So we are willing to offend off the table.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:05

Absolutely. We are willing to offend.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:10

Great.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

All right, guys. God bless. Peace.