Paradigm Shift: Gym, Supplements & Healthy Foods

Rob & Jesse Talk about The damage bodybuilding & Heavy Lifting Can cause on your body, Along With Eating Healthy VS Eating Poorly & What Supplements Can Be Good For You VS Bad For You.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

All right, we are back with another episode of the Paradigm Shift. Uh, I am Big Rob back with my brother from Another Mother. Jesse, what's going on, buddy? How you doing today, man?

SPEAKER_01 0:12

What's happening? Glad to be back for another fantastic episode. Ready to kick this one off.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. We like to offend, so here we go, right? Make sure you hit the like, give us a five-star rating, hit the like, hit the subscribe, and uh let's get into it. Today we're gonna talk about um exercise, like the gym, whether it's bodybuilding or just fitness in general. We're gonna talk about the supplements that uh people take when exercising and stuff, and uh also a little bit on some of the nutrition side. Not too much, we're gonna save most of that for another episode, but we're gonna talk a little bit about the nutrition aspect as well. Uh, where do you want to get started, brother?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Why don't we kick it off with exercise? Let's go down the rabbit hole a little bit on exercise and kind of maybe you tell me your story of exercise, I'll tell you mine, and uh we'll we'll kind of see where it goes from there.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

We'll meet in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Well, well, I mean my at the end of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:13

My story is kind of a long one. Uh, I'll try to I'll try to keep it short, shorter than uh it could be anyway. As you know, retired professional wrestler, retired professional bodybuilder. Um, you know, I'm mid-40s now, so I'm not in my 20s anymore. Can't train like I used to. But I still exercise. I still go to the gym uh all the time. Uh I do old man exercise now, though, right? You have to switch because um, you know, when I was training, I mean, three plates on flat bench, three plates aside. I mean, you know, look at that 315 for for sets of 10, no problem, right? Now, I throw that on now. Rotator cups are laughing, like, hey, he's gonna die today. So, not gonna happen anymore. You you can't do it like you used to, but um, yeah, I spent the first half of my life as a as a pro athlete, and you know, alongside of that comes a lot of time in the gym. I mean, all through my 20s, we're talking five, six hours a day in the gym, uh, whether it's swimming, doing cardio, weight training, core, uh, or or whatever else, right? Um, and yeah, I mean it became my passion, it became my life. Um I absolutely loved it, but it was a lot of I also did some strongman as well, strongman competitions, and the body just took a beating over the years, but you know what? I I enjoyed my life, and uh, you know, you pay for it later. Sore all over the place all the time, developed arthritis in my lower back as a result. Uh rotator cups are you know, the shoulders are always the first things to go. You can ask any real power lifter that, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Uh, as you start to age. So, but yeah, I spent you know all my time as an athlete. Uh it was my priority. Um, then I slowed down, got a family, wife made me retire, as they tend to do, right? And uh, but along with it came um the supplements and stuff like that, right? I mean, uh, as I talked to you about, there there were there was at one point I was taking I was taking pills to repair damage to my liver that other pills were doing to my liver while taking them at the same time, right? Uh, I think it was like 15-16 different uh I mean from from vitamins to you know um stuff like uh your clambuterols or whatever the case for for cutting and and trimming and um just everything in between, right? And you you take all these vitamins and stuff like that, and it just beats the ever-loving crap out of your liver, out of your kidneys. And also now I do suffer with uh with kidney issues now, right? So, I mean, one of the best things you can do obviously is keep them hydrated, but um, yeah, so uh a big lifetime of of abuse when it came came to the uh the supplement side of things. Nowadays I prefer to try to get as much protein as I can in with uh actual food as opposed to even stuff like protein powders, pre-workouts, um, you know, all of that stuff, all the powders that you're taking in, it's all got to be filtered through your kidneys and your liver, and it just causes so much damage. And while your liver can repair itself over time, um you know, people don't realize because there's no visual immediate uh results that you see in terms of effects, you know. So you just protein powder, protein powder, protein powder, right? Creatine, uh, you know, BCA's, you know, uh like all that stuff and a pre-workout, it just it all takes its toll, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:55

So do you think that in your case do you think you overdid it?

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Not like some people did, no, not like a lot of people I knew did. Uh, I would consider myself, I mean, to someone not in that world, you would have considered me overdoing it or extreme or whatever, but in that world, I was more moderate, right? I mean, I know I know guys who abused uh growth hormones, for example, for so long that like their torsos are just so so thick now, even now as they're older and it just doesn't look right anymore, right? Because they're older, they don't bodybuild like they used to, so you shrink down a little bit, still a big dude, but and then your torso is just outsized, right? Oversized for your body, and because your organs are all, you know, like that stuff affects all of your all of your organs, all of you know everything, and it just doesn't look good. Doesn't look good later, right? So those guys, you know, I wasn't like those guys at all, but um to the average Joe, probably you would have considered it abuse.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

So you you you wouldn't put yourself with uh Ronnie Coleman or uh Kinseiko or someone like that, huh?

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Yeah. No, no, no, I wish. I wish I could have got to that level, but no, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I mean, I know a lot of guys would say, oh yeah, totally, right? Yeah, no. Totally not.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Totally not.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

No. There's a lot of wisdom in here though when it comes to training and stuff like that. But uh, I've trained with a lot of different uh coaches and teams over the years and uh meal plans, prep plans, workout routines, you know, all that stuff, everything in between. Uh, whether it's I know a lot of people are using peptides now and stuff, so I know that's the all the rage right now.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

So yeah, my uh I have a cousin that uh she was always very athletic, right? Runner, tennis player, uh always always running, doing something, you know, something along those lines. And I think she overdid it. And she's probably in her 50s, maybe near 60 now. And um she's had like both hips replaced, both knees done. You know, I think she's had to have one or two of them redone. Um, and a lot of that in her case comes from the impact of hard pavement, right? So all of her exercise she did was on hard pavement. And you know, like I think about this when I exercise, and I think about um, I don't know about you, but I came from a family where my dad always lifted, always. And so I would kind of see all of his crazy injuries that he would get and think, well, I don't want to take it that far. You know, like like I don't I don't think we want to push my luck that far on this one. And uh, and that's one of them, you know, that you see a lot of times with uh runners that they will get uh injuries related to their knees, their hips, their joints from all of that compression of being on a hard, hard road, hard pavement. Um high impact. Yeah, high impact. Funny enough, at one point in my life when I was in high school, I got in this uh rhythm of running on the beach. And I liked it just because you know I was going out to the beach every day. It's like, heck yeah, I'm at the beach, let's run, let's feel good. And on the beach, what I I didn't realize, you know, it sounds so obvious now, but you know, when the waves come in, it naturally kind of slants the sand. And so when you're running down the beach, like one leg is kind of like higher than the other and one's a little lower, you know. And I gave myself like some crazy like tendon issues around my knees and stuff with that, where you know, after a while when I'd be like walking upstairs, I could feel the tendon on the outside sort of popping out, you know. And it was it was related to running on the beach.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

It's crazy how delicate the human body actually is. I mean, in some cases it can it can take a lot of abuse, but in others it's just strange. Like you like, for example, you know, bodybuilding, or like you said, running on the beach, right? You would think, in theory, that doing that kind of thing would make your body stronger and more durable over time, but in fact, it's the exact opposite, it just wears you down to a nub, and you're you know, as you get older, your body just kind of you know is worse off than it would have been had you just sat on the couch and watched TV the whole time, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yeah, yeah, it takes it takes a lot of uh abuse, you know, and and then I think you know a sport like bodybuilding, it's it's it's extreme, right? So you gotta have like an extreme diet, you know. You're either eating your six meals a day, right? Your six small meals, or you know, I I had an aunt that was a uh bodybuilder, and I remember hearing about that, you know, whenever she was gearing up to like a competition, she would just drink drink like water and eat cereal for like a month. Like that was it, like nothing else, you know. And yeah, and you hear about things like that today, and you think, wow, that sounds terrible for you. You know, I'm sure that that wasn't great, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Yeah, well, I mean, look at but look at bodybuilders today. When I was when I was training, I was eating about seven meals a day, and it was all just you know, I would have to put mustard in my can of tuna because it's just you ever tried to eat a can of dry tuna? No, they're just like constantly just trying to shovel it down, right? It's terrible, dry and um yeah, it feels like it takes forever. It's chewy, it's just it's not as easy as just put it in your mouth and swallow.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

It's as it all it already smells bad too, and then you're adding mustard to it.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Yeah, well, you add mustard for a little bit of flavor and it so it's not so dry because mustard doesn't have any nutritional value, right? So it's the easiest thing to kind of kind of use. But you know, same thing, uh extra lean ground beef strained after you cook it, you're you know, you strain it under the water for a while and get all the all the grease off, and the same thing, so dry trying to shovel it down, and uh it's worse because when you're eating seven meals a day, you're never hungry. So a lot of people talk about how you know it's it's hard to be, you know, when you ever been starving, you've ever been hungry. Try forcing food down when you're full, just as hard. Just as hard. Your body just wants to reject it. You're dry heaving, like that. I don't want to eat this, like I'm not hungry, but your body needs it to grow for fuel, right? Yeah, and you you need to keep your metabolism just like a muscle, you have to keep using your metabolism to keep it going fast, otherwise, it slows down and then you get fat, right? And that's that's how that works. So, you know, two things you can do to get speed your metabolism up is obviously you know, eating maybe five, you don't have to do bodybuilding degrees, but four or five small meals a day, right? Um, and drink a ton of water, drink your water, right? Keep your metabolism working for you, and it it will continue to work fast. But when if you're like a lot, a lot it's funny because a lot of people make this mistake where they'll eat one meal a day and think they're gonna lose weight, right? They think, well, I'm just not eating much, so I I must I I'll probably lose weight. Well, no, because what happens, right? Your body, if you starve yourself to try to lose weight, your body becomes um uh what do you call it? Um cardio um I can't remember the word. It starts eating you know the wrong tissues, your muscle and stuff like that, right? Yeah, because your body's instinct is to store fat. And when you're not giving it any fat to store, what's it start eating, right? When it's got no fat to burn away, um it starts eating away at your muscle tissue, right? You don't want to lose that. Catabolic, right? It starts becoming catabolic, where you know, again, it's so starving yourself is not a solution. Eating once a day, that's bad. It slows your metabolism down, and which means you're burning things slower than you would. And it I know it sounds counterintuitive, but the more you eat, the more you'll lose weight, right? And like, especially young girls. I remember it was it was I don't know what it is like today, but in like the 90s and stuff like that, that was a big problem. Girls would become anorexic or bulimic and stuff like that because they thought that if they just didn't put food in their stomachs, that they would be look healthy and lose weight, and that's just it's the opposite. Yeah, you look unhealthy, and you're physically are unhealthy.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

You know who I think looks like that right now is I don't know if you're familiar with Ariana Grande or whatever her name is.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

I know the name, I can't put a face to it though.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

So so she's she was like a pop singer, and I don't know if she came from Disney, but she did like Wicked, like she's in the Wicked Wizard. Oh yeah. She's one of those today that has gone extreme weight loss that looks very unhealthy. Like way too far.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yeah, she's like hunched over now. She's so like scrawny and stuff. I think I've seen that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Yeah, it's it's it's not not a not a good look, you know, and it it kind of makes me think about, you know, over time these these diets kind of have come and gone, and you know, different different ways of eating. And I can think back to there was a time in my life where I was a young adult and I was working on this project that I was away from home, you know, a couple states away here in the US, and um, and it was just like a mentally frying long day corporate project, right? And at the end of the day, uh our hotel had a a relationship with a local gym nearby, right? And so it was kind of like every day, I mean, you just walked out of there, just fried, just your whole brain is mush, you know, and you just feel like crap. And it was like, all right, you know, like I don't feel like doing anything, I'm going to the gym. And I would I would go in there and I turned into like a I always had the gym rat in me from growing up around my dad, and we had weights in the garage and stuff like that. But but I kind of tapped back into it as a young adult there. And uh, and what was crazy at the time, I remember I did this crazy diet where I was trying to eat, it was like 1200 calories or less, and I was going for straight protein, no fat. Okay. This is like when the no fat craze was real big, right? And at that time, I actually I I got pretty, pretty big lifting, right? And I I was lifting more than I had ever lifted in my whole life, but it I equally dropped so much weight that my body fat percentage was like 3%, right? And everybody was like, Is something wrong with you? Like, are you are you sick? And I was like, no, like I'm not sick, like I I feel great, you know. But the the funny thing was is like in the perspective I have now of kind of the way that this should be, is I think I had it wrong. I I think I had part of it right, but part of it wrong. And the part that I had wrong at the time was the zero fat, right? Um, that's the part I had wrong. Now, fast forward to today, and a lot of the diet that I kind of try to stick to in general is more of a whole foods, high protein, high fat, no sugar. That's the diet I do today. And that's the one I should have been doing back then, you know. But back then we were all kind of on this no fat craze, and you know, you go to the grocery store, half the things you buy, so zero fat. And you're like, oh, that sounds great. But actually it was like full of chemical garbage.

unknown 17:55

No.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly it. Um, I didn't even realize until years later that uh I think you and I had talked about this before, like going into a grocery store. If you just stuck to the outside aisles, everything you need to stay healthy is right there. All your basic food groups, your meats, your dairy, like your milk, your cheeses, uh, your ground beef, your chicken, your steak, um, your vegetables, your fruit. All of that is along the outside, along the walls of a grocery store. Everything, all the garbage is right in the middle. That's where you get into the puddings and the cereals and the canned stuff that's processed, the raviolis and the you know, the chef boyards and all that garbage. Um, all right there in the middle. So, yeah, if you just stick to the outside, never go into the center. You don't have that stuff in your house, you're not tempted to eat it, right? Yeah, yeah. It's so easy to go, well, it's here, so I might as well get rid of it and eat it, right? Since it's here, and then you go buy it again.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

You know what's funny? I have that exact problem. And uh this is kind of a funny story. This used to piss me off when I was younger. That anytime my parents would come and visit me, and let's say we like would go, we'd always inherently go to the grocery store at some point, because they'd look at my stuff and they'd be like, I don't want this. Let's go to the store and get some more stuff, right? And every time we would go, they would always get like like whatever the popular thing was, they would get like the weird version of it, like here's the extra hot version, or here's the jalapeno version, or you know, something along those lines. And then they would they would literally have one bite of it and they would leave it at my house. And I'd look at it like, come on, you know, like what am I supposed to like? And I inherently have a very hard time throwing out um food that is just there, whether whether it's it's good or not. I see it in the cabinet and I go, I probably ought to eat that, you know, but it's like I'm not getting, I'm never gonna buy that again. You know, and they used to do that all the time to me, you know. So it was like this this constant like battle in my head that I'm looking at it going, I feel like I should eat those like extra hot Cheez-Its, but I know they're gonna make me feel awful, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah, well, it's true. I mean, my wife all the time, it it can be a real struggle. My wife bakes, right? Chocolate or uh, you know, uh my weakness is the uh chocolate chip banana, you know, muffins or cookies. I'm like, come on, man. Like, you know, and uh the day I tell her, K, like I'm I'm gonna try to go a week without eating anything bad. It's like that day she'll make like a whole batch of muffins. I'm like, what are you doing to me here?

SPEAKER_00 20:38

You gotta get through these first.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? They're here. It can be hard. It can be hard. Yeah, and then you know, then she'll go order, put in a grocery order list, and it's you know, all kinds of oh, there's ice cream sandwiches and you know, fudge sickles in the freezer, and there, you know, and you're just like, man, why? Why do you hate me so much?

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, yeah, you know, I found that when I was younger, I was traveling a lot. Whenever I was on the road, I would actually do really well, right? And and the funny thing was is the other people I worked with, we'd get out on the road and they the first thing they'd want to do, yeah, let's go out to eat, you know, let's go out to this place, go out to that place. I'd tell them, have a good time, goodbye. And I would go straight to the grocery store, and I would get all like the things that would, you know, that were kind of like within that realm of the diet, and that's all I'd eat, you know. And I I would not only be saving money, but I'd be eating like cleaner than I had been, you know, at home where I've got everything else.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Well, one of the jobs that I had for a long, long time was I used to deliver vehicles across Canada for dealerships, right? So, like if I'm in Manitoba and they sold the vehicle to someone who lived out in British Columbia out in BC, they would pay me to drive the vehicle to the place to BC where the person lived, get the contracts and paperwork signed, and then if they had a trade in, I would drive the trade in back. If not, I would just fly back, right? So yeah, like, and that was ideal for me at the time because I was training a lot, right? So I would bring my gym bag with me on the road, and I'd stop at the gym. Every day I'd stop at a gym in every city. They pay for it, like all my expenses are paid, my hotel and all that stuff, right? So I'd stop in a city, wake up early in the morning, go to the gym, get in a good workout, have a shower, hit the road, keep going towards BC, right? But I would stop at grocery stores along the way and I would buy those roasted chickens. Right? And I'd just sit it in the passenger seat and I'll just pick away at it as I drove.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah, seatbelt. Who eats a rotisserie chicken in the passenger seat? This guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Just pick away at it the whole drive. That's your whole day. You don't gotta stop for for food or anything. Yeah. Um, but that was, you know, so I'm I'm kind of with you on that. Like on the road was like the easiest time to uh to eat good, right? But uh when you get home and you've got all kinds of junk because you live with people and you know, you're married and your wife wants to sabotage you, apparently.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

So hey, I got a funny story. So uh one of my work trips, you know, I I hadn't worked out in a while, you know, and we go on this trip, and uh again, it had a uh local uh gym that it was tied to, you know, that you could go there and work out. And it was a really nice gym, right? And so it was kind of like, hey, like we should we should all go over there. Like now that we're now that we're here, there was like three, four of us, you know, from our team. It was like, yeah, we should we should go work out, you know, and so we go in this gym, and I mean I hadn't worked out regularly at that time in you know, a while. And I was like, yeah, you know, like like okay, like what did I used to do? You know, you gotta start going around all the things you used to do, right? And uh one of them was was squats, right? And so, you know, when I was uh squatting at my my heaviest on squat was like 350-ish, somewhere around there. And so I I don't even remember what I tried to do on this trip, but it was like a fraction of that, right? And I'm like, yeah, feel great. Yeah, this is awesome, you know. And like, no shit, probably later that night, it's you know, like three hours later, I like my legs are already starting to lock up, you know, like quads are completely given out. They're like, oh my God, like what did you do to us? And I'm like, oh geez, like maybe I shouldn't have done squats, you know. And so by the following day, we we have this office we're visiting, and you know, of course they have stairs. And I'm looking at the stairs like, oh my god, like how am I gonna make it up the stairs? Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna literally have to pull myself up here because I don't know if the legs are gonna make it. So it's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Uh well that's exactly it. You you try to you try to do what you used to do, and boy, is it ever not possible. You gotta work your way back up to that again. I tried that with biceps before uh I did an arm workout, and then like the next day I couldn't straighten my arms because it was just it was seized right in in the inner elbow. It was just like my my biceps was they were just so tight. If I try to straighten my arms, it felt like it was gonna go twang.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

As I was walking around like this for like two days.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Well, I knew that could happen at some point. Like again, going back to my dad being a lifter, he actually had tore one of his biceps. And so he never got it surgically repaired. And so from that point on, whenever he flexed, he almost had like two bumps. It was like one kind of main one and then a small one from where he tore it.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

I've been I've been fortunate in my life that I never had any serious injury to that degree. I've had a lot of injuries over the years, but you know, you you pop out a rotator cup or dislocate a shoulder or something like that, but I've never like torn my pec out or my bicep out where your whole freaking body turns purple. I've never had, you know, uh thank God for that. But uh I actually I'm so used to being in uh relative pain when I when I train now because of the years and years of heavy lifting, right, and stuff like that. That last year's funny, about a year ago now. It's it's about a year, give or take. I was training, and something about my shoulder just didn't feel right. And I trained for about a year and it just it didn't feel right. So I went to the doctors and uh my family doctor, it was just because I had a regular checkup. He's like, he always he always looks at me and says, So what are you complaining about today? Right? So I was like, Well, okay, well, my shoulder hurts a little bit, right? I've been training, but it just it feels a little bit different, right? I said I've been training back again for about a year. I figured it would kind of go away, but it's not. And uh, so I went for uh x-rays and uh CAT scans or whatever, and on my shoulders. I've been training for about a year with a dislocated shoulder. My arm was dislocated, and I was still training, right? But you're just so used to being in pain. He's like, You're working out. I was yeah, and like, why? He's like, Yeah, your your arm is dislocated, right? Pops it back in, and you know, it went went away after a couple weeks. I was fine again, but he's like, You've been working out for years like for crying out loud, Rob. He's like, you know, when you're in pain, you you gotta say something, right? Like, I'm like, Well, I just figured I'm getting old.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

He probably needed to show you. I don't know if you remember those old uh He-Man dolls from like the 80s, like the little action figures. Like, here's you, pop the arm off. This is you, and that's your arm. Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Yeah. So but I mean, like I said, when you're used to training and you're used to kind of the aches and pains, and you know, I I remember I was uh when I was training, it must have been my my early 30s. I was my my wife I'm with now. We were still together, we were together back then, and um I was bouncing at a bar and she was running the front end, and I happened to take out like my wife, she would take out all my pills that I needed to take for training, my vitamins and all that kind of stuff. And she's got one of those little pill cases, right? And she's like, Here's all there's like 16 pills there, and one of the other you know, per people that work there walk by and they're like, Oh blah blah blah. So I can hear them talking, and um, you know, the the person said something to the effect of, oh, like uh, is he in pain? And my wife looks at her and goes, He's always in pain, he lives in pain, right? That's the life of training, right? Is it's painful, it's it's sacrifice and stuff, and it's just it's funny that the body is not designed to uh maintain that kind of a figure, though. It's a shame that it's not because you know we're just we're just not designed that way, but it's amazing what our bodies can do when pushed, whether it's extreme bodybuilding or extreme obesity, right, from both ends of the spectrum. It's unbelievable how far the body can go in both directions.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

This is true. You know, you know what I always think about when when you see somebody who's obese is that their bones, their organs, they're all the same size as ours. And they're carrying all that extra weight all the time, you know, and and you know, just years and years of that just grinding away on your joints, on your ligaments, your tendons, that's not good. You know, that's that's just really not good long-term carrying all that extra weight on a frame that you know is no different than anyone else. I mean, unless you're like a like an Andre the Giant, you know, somebody like that, that you naturally have bigger organs, thicker bones. I mean, a lot of a lot of them don't. They're just carrying extra, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Well, that's an unpopular topic, is is the whole, you know, people that are obese, they talk about it from an aesthetics perspective. They don't want to hear the argument that you're not healthy, your heart is working so much harder, right? To keep you alive. Your joints, your bones, everything about your body, your organs in general are working so much harder than your average person just to keep you alive, right? But they don't want to hear that. They want to hear this, they want to bring back these super, they want to come back at you with a superficial argument about how being big is beautiful. And it's like, no, I'm I'm not dying. Yes, you are. Like, this is not a this is not an argument or or a debate over whether being obese is is healthy or not. Like you, I I'm telling you scientifically, this is not healthy, right? And it's backed up by science, and your response is, but I'm beautiful anyway. Okay, fine, but be you're gonna be beautiful and dead a lot earlier than you would be if you were healthy, right? As long as you're willing to understand and accept that, you're willing to accept a shorter lifespan instead of taking care of yourself, right? And I'm not saying by any stretch of the imagination that it's easy to take care of yourself because it's not, especially in today's society. Everything is full, like you said, of all of these chemicals and the that that make you addicted to coming back and eating more of it, like McDonald's and all this kind of stuff. It's addicting, it is to so in no stretch of the imagination is it easy to break away. It's no different than well, I mean, it is the same as trying to kick a drug because these are drugs, these chemicals that are being put in this food that is designed to make you addicted to it. And it's not just fast food, it's also stuff that they put in the puddings and and chocolate and like all of this stuff. Is it's it's produced in a way that makes you crave it and want more of it, right? Whether it's the toxins inside or the the chemicals they use to process it, or just a dopamine hit that you get when you eat it. It's all an addiction, right? Yeah, and it's not easy to overcome. So we're not we're not saying by any stretch of the imagination that it is easy to overcome, it's just something you can glaze over and say, Oh, this is just simple. But it's like anything in life. If it's worth having, it's not going to be easy to obtain, right? So you should be willing to work for everything it is that you want in your life. You have two regrets. I love the saying, you have two regrets. You can have the regret of not being able to eat terrible and not be able to sit and sit around and do, you know, be lazy or just generalizing, sitting down watching Netflix or whatever. So you can have the regret of being miserable in that aspect, or you can look in the mirror every day and be miserable and regret what you look like because you don't take care of yourself, right? There's two regrets. Nobody's happy. Let's be honest here. Neither side is going, man, I'm so happy, right? You think you think the person who takes care of themselves and goes to the gym every day and eats properly doesn't want to sit down and eat a pizza? They're miserable. They want that pizza.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

You know what I've found though is that I've found that when I cut out certain things and later try to have them again, I can't do it. Right. And and I've found that multiple times. Like I remember um I got in a kick at one point years ago on Diet Coke, right? I was I was drinking Diet Coke all the time, you know. Started to get headaches to the point of like, okay, obviously I gotta lay off the Diet Coke. There's too much caffeine. I gotta, I gotta cut this out, you know. And I remember I I cut it out completely. Took two or three weeks, you know, raging, just raging headaches. After that, completely went away. And then I was I was out somewhere, you know, and I tried to get like a fountain drink that was like Diet Coke, got like three sips in, made me completely sick, couldn't do it. Um another great example of this is like regular peanut butter. So I at different times in my life, I've I I love having peanut butter as a quote, like health, healthy-ish kind of kind of snack, you know? And um, and the regular peanut butter has like a different oil in it than like a Whole Foods type peanut butter. You know, there's a there's a couple different ingredients that when you're eating it all the time, you don't realize it. And you're eating it, and it it does make you want more, it makes you crave more, right? But if you go to like more of like a Whole Foods style peanut butter, you don't have that that those same couple additives, like these, these oils that they add in there, you know, the sugar is a little different. And what I noticed is I tried to go back to the old peanut butter because it was cheaper, you know. I thought, uh, you know, maybe I'll just try one of those again. I I I got like three bites in, made me sick. I was like, this this is terrible. And you know, I've been eating that my whole life, you know, like there's multiple things like that.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Yeah, I had the same thing with uh I had the same thing with uh uh one thing was monster energy drinks. Oh god, they're awful. Yeah, I know I was crushing two or three a day, right? For a long time. We were going to the wholesale club and we were buying like four or five cases of them, right? So that I would only have to go once a month. I buy like four or five cases. I burned through two or three of those every single day, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:18

You were like time bomb.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Oh yeah. I was like, oh, it's sugar free, it's fine. I'm drinking this, it's the sugar-free stuff, right? And uh when I when I realized what I was consuming and I stopped, um, first of all, the headaches. Holy smokes, the headaches from I had to I had to try to compensate with drinking just black green tea for the caffeine intake to kind of wean off the monsters, right? So that's what I did to kind of counter that. I was still getting some caffeine and I wasn't taking in sugars or aspartame or or creams or anything like that, just a black green tea, um, you know, a couple times a day, maybe twice a day, just to fight off that that headache. And uh you can you can wean, you then you can go down to like one cup one tea a day or something like that, and you you're fine, right? So if anyone's listening, you're trying to kick energy drinks, I'd highly recommend something like that or a black coffee as well, right? Um because it's it's it's a lack of caffeine getting all that caffeine and then a lack of it really is you know kind of devastating. I got this cough. But um I tried again to drink monsters later because I tried to have one and man, couldn't even drink like 10% of the can. It just it tasted gross and it just yeah, it was making me feel terrible. Same thing with like pizza or McDonald's, and McDonald's is a big one. Like if I don't have McDonald's for like six months and then I try to eat a meal at McDonald's, I'm throwing up within five minutes of eating.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

You know why? It's the sugar. You you know how much sugar is in that, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:58

No, I actually don't. I know it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Yeah, so there was a there was a really good documentary that came out years ago called Super Size Me.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

And I watched it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Yeah, where he he ate McDonald's for a month, and at the end of it, he puts all the sugar that he consumed in that one month on the table. He had a bucket that was completely full, and then he had four large bags next to it on each side. Like the amount of sugar he consumed was insane. And the doctors were were all saying the same thing, like your body is shutting down, like you're you're literally dying. And it was because of the sugar intake was so high that his blood sugar is through the roof, which means you know his body is trying to counteract it with insulin, it's making too much insulin. He's therefore inflamed all through his arteries, and he felt like pure garbage. Now throwing up. Yeah, yeah, he was thrown up, right? The the interesting thing with this though, if if, for example, let's say he was just having the the patties, like the protein, like he threw out the bun or didn't have the soda, threw out the fries, maybe he'd be on to something, right? Because then you're eating high protein, high fat. I mentioned earlier, but it's it's the sugar intake that that it kills you. That's what it is with McDonald's, and that's what's making you sick.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Yeah. And I think he was also saying like every time they asked him, he wouldn't supersize unless they asked him, right? Yeah, and they would ask him like every time. You want to supersise?

SPEAKER_00 39:34

Yes, yes, yes, of course. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

Terrible, man, terrible. I remember that movie though. And you'd think it would scare people off, right? But again, addiction is is a hard thing to kick. Like, listen, I I've had food addictions because um I'm a person who I eat my feelings, right? Uh, and I think I've told you this before. If I'm stressed, if I'm angry, if I'm upset about something, I need to eat because why it releases endorphins in me, right, that make me happy, right? That kind of counteract how I'm feeling. So whenever I'm stressed, whenever I'm upset, and people need to understand that that that that that is an addiction that people some people struggle with, you know, if they're having a hard time with their life or something like that, they eat their feelings, right? Because it makes them feel better. And it's not necessarily their fault, right? So, I you know, if we could try to help those people instead of making fun of them, you know, as someone who who has suffered with food addiction in the past, right? It's a real thing, it's a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

I hear what you're saying, but I I think you know, maybe on the food addiction side, if you focused on the high protein, high fat, whole foods, etc., and then you ate your feelings, I think you'd be okay, right? Like, so for example, if instead of like let's say and let's say normally you would, you know, you're stressed out, you just eat a full bag of chips or something like that. Well, let's say instead you eat a full bag of almonds.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Well, in theory, yeah, but the problem is, and I can tell you this, even to this day, if if something out of nowhere all of a sudden, bam, I'm pissed off about something, or I'm upset, I'm stressed about something, the first thing that happens is I'm like, I'm ordering a pizza. That's it, and I'm just gonna crush it tonight, and I'm just gonna watch a movie, right? And that's gonna be justified. I'm gonna have a me night, I'm gonna put on a movie, I'm gonna order a pizza, and I'm just gonna crush that pizza by myself, and it's gonna be a good night, right? Your intention is oh, then the pizza will last me all night. No, it's not, right? Eat the whole damn thing, right? And but that's that's what your mind does. It doesn't go to uh I need to eat something, it goes to what are those bad chemicals that make me feel better. Your body, your mind, and your body instinctively says, just just like um you know, when you're hungry, when you like a craving, for example, the purpose behind a craving is your body is craving something that you're deficient in, right? So if like you're having a chocolate craving, it's not actually chocolate that you're craving, it's something in chocolate that you are deficient in that you need, right? Uh it could be it could be something that's that's in chocolate, but in other things it could just be carbs that you need. You haven't had any carbs or you're very low on carbs today, or something like that. And you start to get these cravings of these high carb things, right? It's your body trying to get you to to get that because that's what it's kind of deficient in right now, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, I think it's the sugar, but yeah, but again, I I don't think all sugar is created equal, right? Like I think there's there's unhealthier sugar and then there's healthier sugar, like in the form of a more whole foods sweet, whatever that might be. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Like, for example, I I think like if you took for like one of the things I like to sometimes do is I'll take an apple with like almond butter or peanut butter. The apple is sweet, it has sugar in it, but then uh you put peanut butter on it. It's excellent, it's really good. The two of those, oddly enough, go great together. And and it kind of satisfies that craving for the sugar that now you don't need to, you know, have a piece of cake or a candy bar or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

I usually have I almost at all times have a fruit salad pre made in my fridge that I make. I'll go buy uh blueberries and strawberries and grapes and stuff, and I'll pre make like two or three pre portioned fruit salads, and they're always in the fridge. So if I'm ever kind of having that, like you said, I need a snack on something, I'll just go grab one of those fruit salads and pick away at it, right? And like you said, it does satisfy because I'm getting sugar. But I'm getting natural sugars instead of getting processed sugars, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Well, well, and and that's the problem, right? So I had a uh I had a really good friend of mine growing up that they always had uh regular coke in the house, right? And he would drink anywhere from let's say five to seven of those a day. A day, right? And so because of it, he was always big, right? He was always big. He also had a lot of uh dental problems from the cavities, yeah. All of the sugar that was in the soda, right? Like huge, huge problem. And as he got older, uh eventually, you know, we kind of he and I started working out at one point. Somehow we turned a corner and he just decided he was done living that way, completely changed 180, right? Cut it all out. He's healthier now than me by like a long shot, you know. But but the interesting thing was as he was growing up, he just kind of he was so used to living that way and so used to having this available that that's just what he did. It was his routine, right? And so, like one of the things with habits is have it it's much easier to repeat something when it's convenient. So always having that soda in the fridge was very convenient, right? Now at the at the flip side of that, you know, you get rid of that soda and you replace it with something else, like you mentioned earlier, uh tea, whatever you want to do, and you make it readily available. Well, then that's convenient, and you'll cut the cut the soda out, you know. But the soda is full, slammed full of sugar. And that's that's what was doing it. And then he would crave another one, right? He was always craving more.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's crazy how that works, man. It's crazy. Um, that's why like you and I have talked about uh you know Kennedy and the whole you know the whole health aspect of things, and I was uh I was fine when it was just you know, let's cut out fast food. Because it's true, man. Uh no place that I've been in the world, and I've been I've been around, as you know, right? Japan, all over the place. No places like the United States and Canada when it comes to fast food chains. They are everywhere. You can't go. I can go outside right now, go down the street four blocks, I'll probably pass realistically six or seven Wendy's, McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, like all of them, right? And it's just it's insane, and it's not like that anywhere else in the world. They have them, but not in the abundance that they do here in in the West.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_01 46:44

I think that culturally the US and Canada are probably very similar, at least when it comes to like working, right? And kind of kind of your daily grind of activity. Whereas I think some of these other countries, they're a little more lax on that front, right? So it's it's a little more, it's a little more less stressful, is maybe why I'm getting at. And I think with us, we're we're we're like, you know, I'm I'm spent, I don't have time, I just need something to eat. And there it is, and it's readily available. Now, you know, the irony today is that, you know, with all the crazy um inflation over the last couple of years, it's almost pricing out a lot of their their clients uh because their food margins are so tight, they've had to raise the prices. All the people that bought all that stuff are starting to pull back because it's finally getting to the point where economically it doesn't work, but on the health front, they never really addressed it that way. Like I can think back to when I was in college, uh, one of my best friends, he would eat Wendy's every single day. Every day that's what he would eat. And he'd do it mostly because he was lazy. He he didn't he never made an effort to cook for himself. He never made an effort to learn how to cook, he never made an effort to learn nutrition or anything like that. He'd just get in the car and drive over there and get his stuff.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Autopilot, right? Yeah, yeah, it's easy, it's there, it's it tastes good. Man, but boy, do you feel terrible about 20 minutes after you eat it, eh?

SPEAKER_01 48:20

Yes, and and with good food, you don't have that problem. So it makes you wonder, you know, it really does make you wonder what's in this that's making me feel terrible, that's so processed in here that my body isn't naturally made to handle. Like, for example, like I was saying, I think when you're in the middle of a bad diet, you're you become used to it. You know, you're used to these particular chemicals, you're used to the sugar, you're used to all these things. But when you steadily cut it out and then you have it again, you're like, oh my god, stomach's killing me. Like, what did I eat here? Yeah, it's all that processed stuff.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

A lot of times I'll throw it back up. I have a weak stomach for that. Like, if I shift to eating uh healthy for any period of time, uh, and then I switch back and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna have some McDonald's today, or I'm gonna have some Wendy's today. Oh man, do I regret it? It's it's like, yes, this is awesome when I'm eating it. Five minutes after, though, it's like, oh, I'm drained for energy, I want to throw up, I feel disgusting. You know, I don't know. It's it's just and it makes you wonder why do people come keep coming back to it? Because of the chemicals that we allow, our government allows to be put in these foods.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

Yeah, we're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

Think about the economy, how much better the economy would be the average person. How much money do you think the average person spends on fast food in a year? Probably a lot. Probably a lot. I mean, they have enough to make a difference. Yeah, probably enough to make a financial difference in their lives. For sure. People say, well, it's more expensive to eat healthy. I mean, on the surface, yes, but over the whole, no.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

Yeah, I I I don't think so. And you know what I've found as I've gotten older is I really like the meals that we do now that it's like three three main staples, whatever those three are. You know, it's like a protein, a vegetable, a fruit. I mean, it sounds it sounds really bland and boring, but it's actually pretty good most times. And you know, like I use like an air fryer and you know, you can season stuff and whatever. And it's usually pretty good. But, you know, kind of going back to the fast food front, like I remember when I was younger and uh we had we had a couple uh fast food places near down the street from our house, right? And it was like you get old enough, and it was like, hey, all of our friends, let's go down there, you know, and we like got in like it was like cool to like eat at all the fast food places, you know. And I remember I I could go into like Taco Bell and get like you know five tacos for like 250, you know, like it didn't cost anything.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

The Whopper Jr.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

used to be a dollar, yeah, exactly, right? But you know, my point is like if I try to eat five tacos from Taco Bell today, I may go to the hospital.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Well, yeah, and you know, like like you said, the the prices have gone up for fast food. I mean, what used to be like would come to like nine dollars for a big Mac meal is now coming to like $21, right? So is it really more to more affordable? I mean, my wife she loves going to the farmers markets and stuff like that. Um you know, she she gets a lot of our eggs there, she gets uh a lot of our uh fruits and vegetables there and stuff like that, and it's it's a lot healthier, right?

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Significant.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

And and you're supporting um you're supporting local as well, right? So there's a lot of good that comes from it, and you're eating healthier at the end of the day, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Hey, can we just say that when I discovered that eggs weren't white, like that was kind of like a mind-bultering experience of like, wait a minute, like I thought eggs were just white, and it's like, no, those are the bleached ones, and you're like, ooh, like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

That's like getting blue ketchup, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I know, right? It's like, oh, you mean that like eggs are supposed to be multicolored, and it's like, really? It's like, yeah, and and you know, the uh yolks supposed to look different depending on you know what the chicken's eating. Like you can tell, like, like on this egg over here, like they're feeding that chicken some really weird stuff, like that. It's not a free-range chicken, and then you're getting some like space eggs, you know.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Space eggs.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Yeah, the price of eggs has gone through the roof, too, when you buy them at the grocery store, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Same thing with meats. I mean, uh, you know, I know farmers that uh that we buy meat from all the time, and you know, you you're not dealing with that again, the whole processed uh the whole processed process, right? Like when you're when you're buying foods that are supposed to be healthy and the food can last like two weeks without being refrigerated or anything, something wrong there, man. Something wrong there, you know.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Hey, you know what's an interesting one that I've found is uh I don't know if you've ever bought this, but um for like taco night, sometimes we'll we'll do like a taco night, right? And you can get a bag of pre pre-shredded lettuce, you know, it's already cut up. You just open the bag, put it on your tacos, great. But what I've noticed is when you open that bag, like within a day, it's already starting to brown, right? It's going bad. Whereas if you get an actual like head of lettuce that's organic, like it doesn't it doesn't brown like that, like it it just it lasts like a lot longer. It's like okay, wait a minute, what's going on here with this shredded bag of stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Why why does that not turn brown? Yeah, exactly. The things, the things we allow to be put in our food is absolutely crazy. But the way we used to have it, our mentality when it came to training, uh, food was fuel, right? Like too many people look at food and say, like, like you had said a few minutes ago, that's kind of bland and boring. But the way we looked at food was we weren't eating it for flavor, we weren't eating it for entertainment purposes. We were eating it because I need to eat this. If I I just did a massive chest workout, if I want to see good results from that chest workout, I need to eat all this chicken. I don't need to eat that cheeseburger from McDonald's, I need to eat this so that this grows, right? And that was our mentality. It was just it was just fuel. Food became nothing other than fuel, other than no different than drinking a protein powder or something, right? You're drinking it for a purpose to get the protein out of it. It's the same thing we were doing uh with our foods, and it was like that helps you mentally stay away from the other stuff. It's like, okay, well, that stuff's not gonna help me get bigger, that stuff's not gonna help me get leaner. So I'm gonna eat this over here. This is gonna get me to that goal. I didn't just kill myself in the gym for uh uh for six hours today to go eat a double cheeseburger and a and a large fries, right? Yeah, blow it all. Yeah, and just blow it all, right? So it's crazy, but uh I used like you were talking about high impact and uh cardio and stuff. I used to run five miles a day when I was in my very, very early 20s, right? And as soon as I got over 200 pounds, um, man, my knees started going like the outsides of my knees the next day would just be like this pinching, like someone was driving nails into the sides of my knees, right? Uh so I had to stop running every day, and I loved it. I loved it. I've been actually recently on my on my um Peloton treadmill, I've been trying to build up my running again to at least get to a mile. I can run a mile once or twice a day, but at the same time, it's like every time I start and I'll do good and I'm building it up, my my right knee will start to go on me, and it's just pain, pain for days in my right knee because it's at high impact. I have arthritis in my lower back, which spread to my hips and it's spreading to my knees now. So, right, uh it makes it harder to run and stuff like that. But uh I'm trying to figure a way around it so that I can I can become a runner again. But I mean right now uh I'm about 260, right? Just a just a big dude, man. Like still there's a lot of muscle on the body that just muscle doesn't just go away, right? You lose some of it when you don't train. But you know, when you I was almost 300 pounds, and like you said, like two, three percent body fat when I was when I was competing, all that muscle, like a lot of it goes away. But I mean, if you even look at someone like Ronnie Coleman today, he looks skinny if you hold him up against a picture of him when he was at his peak. But if you hold him up against your average guy, he's still got a crap ton of muscle on him. Okay, and it's the same thing, it just and muscle is just you know, a pound of muscle is so much smaller than a pound of fat, right? A pound of a pound of fat's like this, a pound of muscle is like this.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

So well, you know what I've found as I've gotten older is I think my workouts have changed, right? So when I was real young, I followed my dad at first, right? I was lifting heavy weights in the garage. That was kind of my thing. And I would do, you know, three days a week, you know, different, different groups, whatever. Then, you know, I as I got older, my friends would always, you know, want to go to like a gym because I was the only house that had weights in the garage. Like no one else grew up like that. But that's how I grew up. And like my dad was just kind of like old school in that way that he he even to this day still has his weight bench that he bought in like 1960, whatever. Like it's still in there, you know? And uh, and he's he still uses it like all the time. And so anyway, so as I got old, none of my friends had anything like that. And so we, you know, we started going to the gym and whatnot. And you know, I kind of had different phases of kind of like taking off, slowing down. Um, and sometimes, you know, I think I would get derailed because I would I would have to go away for work or whatever. But today, uh one thing I did was I kind of built my own gym in my garage, just like I had growing up, right? But it's different. Like I don't, I don't have like a squat bar or anything like that. You know, I've got a straight bench and I've got dumbbells. And I think that's all you need for for the sake of arm weights for the most part. Now, outside of that, I've got a treadmill, you know, I've I've got an elliptical machine, I've got a Peloton bike. And the bike, oddly enough, has been the one that has really resonated with me in my 40s more than anything else. And I I think it's simply because it's so convenient and it's so easy to do like a half hour to an hour and then just be done. Right? Like it's it's not this big drawn-out session that I have to think about how I'm gonna commit like two hours to being there dialed in doing this thing. Like I literally just walk out to the garage, snap on my shoes, and get on the bike, and I do, you know, whatever whatever session I'm I'm gonna do. And so, you know, like I found pretty significant health benefits from it. Like, again, kind of going back to the topic of uh compression and your joints and your muscles and this long-term stuff, right? I don't have that on the Peloton bike, right? I don't have that heavy compression at all. Like there's some give. My bike is on top of a gym mat. So even when I'm standing up pedaling, it kind of rocks a little bit, right? So there's give to it. And uh and it's it's very easy to keep up with. And so, you know, oddly enough, ever since I started doing that, and I started maybe like a year and a half ago on that thing. And I think I mentioned you I've lost at least 30 pounds doing it. And I now have muscle definition that I never, never had, even when I was younger. I mean, I never had like like my leg muscles right now are like massively defined. I never had that, not even close.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

The definition of definition.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

Yeah, and so it it's kind of weird how like I kind of pivoted from like like lifting to biking is sort of what I've done. I like lifting to cycling is kind of what it is, I guess, that I've I've kind of done, and it seems to match me now in my current life better than lifting did, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:17

Yeah, I have the Peloton bike as well. I haven't um I haven't really jumped on board to use it because I bought it for my wife, and it's uh it's done really well holding uh her clothes and stuff like that. But uh, you know, she said, Oh buy me one. Yeah, I'll use it. I'll use it. Yeah, I think she used it like twice. And it's so I'm thinking I might move it uh downstairs beside my uh my Peloton treadmill and just just use it. But do it. Do it. Yeah, I'm thinking about it. But uh I I I get it, man. Like now, training, I I use my treadmill when I'm at home. I'll just throw on a I'll throw on a movie or something, and I'll just I'll either speed walk or whatever. Speaking of speedwalking on treadmills, little side note. If you're doing a max incline and you're holding on to the treadmill and leaning back, you're not walking on an incline. Stop thinking. You're defeating the whole purpose, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

You're doing it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

Yeah, you're not walking on an incline then, you're just walking straight, right? Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

That's really funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

I see every once in a while. You see it somewhere and you're like, what are you doing? That's why if you just walk straight, what's the point? Like, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

So uh one of the last times that I went to a gym, so former neighborhood I lived in was like this master plan community, and they had their own gym, right? And it, you know, it wasn't like going to like a professional gym, it was like you know, a fraction of the size, but they still had a lot of equipment and dumbbells and all that, you know. So you think, well, if I can get in for free, why not? And I remember going in there, and there were always like people that were far older, and and I uh not to be ageist or anything like that, but there was one guy in there that he probably had me by I don't know, 20 years-ish. And he's got his big headphones on, he's on the treadmill, and he's just passing gas constantly.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

And what's that?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

High protein gas too. Uh I I have no idea. But but it was it was so bad that I was like, I'm not coming back here. Like this this is this is not good. Like, I don't I can't I can't try to be healthy around that. And so again, you know, I was talking earlier about habits that you'll stick with it if it's convenient. You know, your idea of moving the Peloton bike next to the treadmill, you'd probably stick with it because it would be convenient then, right? And so that's how it is with me. That I love having this stuff right here at my house that I don't need to go to a gym. I've got it right here, I don't need to go anywhere, you know, and I don't have to deal with that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

See, I I love the gym. I personally prefer using, I have found that the stair mill at a moderate pace, consistent moderate pace, is the most effective for me. It's low, low, low impact, and uh, I burn a lot more body fat that way. And everyone's body's different, right? Some people prefer the row machine, some people prefer the treadmill, whatever the case might be, whatever works best for you. Everyone's body responds different to the cardio that you're doing, right? For me, I love the stair mill. I mean, if my ceilings were higher downstairs where my treadmill and bike are gonna be, I would buy one of those high industrial, you know, uh stair mills, and I would just be on that thing for probably three, four hours a day, just giving her, right? But uh, I'll probably buy one when I move to a uh place with higher ceilings, but because you know how high those things are, right? I mean, they're like nine feet high just standing on them, right? And then on top of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

You you're like a glutton for punishment if you love those things. I I hate those.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

Oh, there was there was a gym I was going to for a while, and it was a small gym, and they had a stair mill with one at like like the like the uh Peloton screens, right? A really big one. Yeah, and it would keep track of the top scores. Every like, like so. Every time I would go, right, I would look, and there would be this one guy who's number one, and then I'd be okay. So then I would pass them, right? In terms of how far he went and how fast he went there, right? Um, and then I'd come back the next day and he would top mine by just a just a little bit. So like, oh so now I gotta top his. And it's just and I've never met the man. I've never met the man, but I was not gonna let him beat me every day. And he probably tells the same story. He's never met me, but he would come in and I would beat him just by a little bit, and then he would do it. And hey, that pushed me to be better and better every day, though, right? They should have that on those treadmills everywhere. It's like who wants to be that guy, right? On the stair mills, the treadmills, the bikes. Like, and I was like, I'm gonna be first. I'm and I was like, this guy's gonna regret it because one day I'm gonna have like five hours of extra time, and I'm just gonna come in here just to be a total bitch, and I'm just gonna walk on this thing for five hours, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

Yeah, and then you'll come back the next day, and he'll be at 5 01. Gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

Oh man. All right, buddy. I guess that's uh that's probably another uh another wrap there. We're we're out of time. So um, yeah, we'll be back on Sunday, right? Sundays and Wednesdays, we're gonna do these episodes. Uh, we will be starting to upload them on our new YouTube channel as well. We're gonna give it a try. But if you're listening over on Apple or um Spotify or anywhere else, make sure you give us a five-star review. As always, thank you for supporting us and uh the paradigm shift. Any topics you guys want us to cover, you want us to talk about, no uh no controversial topic is off limits. We are here to offend, so uh yeah, make sure you let us know what you want us to talk about. We'll give you our opinion.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

Yeah, we're all about the hot takes here on this channel.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:17

Absolutely. So let us know, and we will uh we will do the research and we will have the conversation. But until next time, God bless.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

Shift out.