Paradigm Shift: Crazy Celebrities

Jesse And Rob Discuss The Insane changes In Celebrities personal Lives & What Drives Them To Drugs & Insane Actions.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of the Paradigm Shift. I am Big Rob back with Jesse. As always, my partner in crime. What's going on, buddy?

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Hey man, uh looking forward to a great episode today. Today's topic has got a lot of color to it. The celebrities that have lost their minds that are in conservatorship. I figure this is a well that uh never runs dry.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Amen to that, man. Um now there's a lot of controversy in that that I've seen in regards to celebrities kind of kind of you know going off the deep end and stuff like that. And I mean, obviously, one of the biggest conspiracy theories is that you know the whole the whole Diddy situation and and the Epstein situation and all that stuff, certain celebrities refuse to participate in these kinds of collective activities to make it uh you know, to sum it up. And conspiracy theories that I've heard and read about are that a lot of times if they don't participate, they're threatened that their careers will be over or destroyed or whatever the case might be. So they end up kind of self-destructing themselves either because they did something that they can't live with, or um, they've done something to kind of self-destruct and destroy their own careers in the near term before something can be done. Uh, like Dave Chappelle, for example, said that you know, famously said that he went somewhere, didn't get into great detail, was told to do some things and participate in some things. He refused. By the time he got home from that meeting, there was already news uh on national television, you know, with all of the accusations going on with him and his career, took a nosedive immediately, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Really? I I I don't even think I know this story. Yeah, you're gonna have to elaborate on this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Oh, I'll I'll see if I can find it. Uh if you uh if you have some thoughts, uh I'll I'll kind of see if I can find it quickly. But yeah, he talked about it on one of his comedy specials, I think it was, and he said, like, you know, he was he was basically offered uh your career can go up from here because at that time he had the the Dave Chappelle show going on and everything. He was kind of starting to peak, right? And uh he was offered, I don't remember exactly what it was to participate in this, that, or the other thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

He said, Hell no!

SPEAKER_03 2:28

What did Fat Finger say to the face? He said he left that meeting by the time he got in his car and drove home. By the time he got home, they were destroying his career on the news. I can't remember what it was they were accusing him of. Um, but uh yeah, it just immediately right.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

So, you know, I remember that point in time, and I remember how popular the Chappelle show was. Like literally everybody was watching it, right? And uh I I can remember like Lil' John at the airport, or uh, you know, he when he was comparing how uh black and white people react to drums or guitars. Like, like there were some really great skits, and it seemed like he was really peeking out, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it was like, yeah, uh Chappelle has ended his show, he's moving to Africa, he's gonna live on a farm. I think that's what I heard, and then it was like he just disappeared for like a decade, and now you know he's back and he's on Netflix with all these specials. But um, I never I never knew there was like a like a backstory there or a threat or or what what drove him out the door. Like I didn't know if he just if it was just too much and he said, you know, that's it, I'm it I'm on top, and I left, or if there was like a catalyst event, like somebody was trying to blackmail him or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Yeah, he was he was being coerced. Let me see. I don't know if this is it or not, so I'm gonna play a little bit of it and see if this is this is actually it.

SPEAKER_04 4:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

Um hopefully we don't get like copyright or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

On stage, the guy that introduced me was a guy named JT Newton. I'm 47. I can close my eyes and remember the introduction like it was yesterday. It went like this. Ladies and gentlemen, this is that's exposing Comedy Central.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

That's not it. Um see if I can find it.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Because why he quit? Here we go. Dude is well, he just quit something that was popular when you're at the very top of it. Lucky for me, when I quit, I went to Africa, so there was a media storm that I didn't hear. By the time I got back, everyone was just looking at me crazy. That was a very difficult decision to make. The entire world told me I was crazy, but I I was sure, I was sure I was being true to myself and to something that I learned at Ellington. I'm one of those comedians that thought of himself as an artist. I was enamored by what the genre could do. It was like the pictures that I could paint with words and the way I could engage with audiences. I understood as it was happening, I was very lucky to be able to do this. And I protected that. And I knew that if I took the money, they would expect me to behave differently. And I wasn't willing to explain. So I quit. And when I quit, it was a very difficult time in my life that I'll spare you the details, but man, fuck show business. It was tough. Okay then. I was in Panama City, Panama, and I was at a hotel, and I looked at the lobby, there was a painting of Abraham Lincoln. It was and then I would look close, and it wasn't a painting, it was all pennies, just pennies on a black canvas arranged into the face of Abraham Lincoln. And I asked the guy, I said, how much is that painting worth? He said, $600,000, sir. And I looked at the pennies that made up the painting, and I was like, that's like $300 worth of pennies. I realized the value of art. Some of the biggest wars and crimes and scandals in history were financed through the theft of art. Art is a powerful commodity. And artists, if you're good at it, should never behave as a commodity. It's a tough one. And then I gave up. I said, I'm what, you know, this is probably it. I accepted the fact that the career I thought I was gonna have was over, but I started to rediscover just my art for its own sake. I'll go to comedy clubs and I worked for way less money than I ever had, and I enjoyed it more than any of the work I ever did. It was probably the best work I'll ever do. Because it was so honest, it was so sincere, there was no media, there was no studio, there was no scrutiny, just me and the crowds, and I did it night after night, and slowly but surely the crowds got bigger and bigger, and then suddenly people started to notice and post offers saying Dave Chappelle has to tour the year, and again, and then the year after that, and then the year after that, and then Lauren Michaels asked me to do Saturday Live. And it wasn't just like he asked me, he was caught in me. I didn't even know it. He gave me this whole long speech. I was like, all right, and then I read some book about Lauren Michaels starting Saturday Night Live, and I read the speech that he gave Richard Pryor when he wanted him to host the show, and I said, holy shit, that's the same shit he said to me. And I did it. And it was an enormous amount of pressure. It's been 12 years since I've been on television, since I didn't even talk to the media. And I remember I signed my Netflix contract on my way to my mark for the monologue. If you do live television, they count down every second. 30 seconds. Are you sure this contract is good? It's good, it's good. It's good. 22 seconds. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 10. I walked out on that stage and I killed it. It was natural. It was nothing. It was easy work. And then me for that one, too. First theme in the morning. And when I walked on the stage, after being in the cold for so long, for the first time when I walk on the stage, I'm like, damn, nigga, I just made outside all night. It's been great ever since. A lot of my friends are athletes, and I never could understand.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

I don't think he's uh going into further detail about, but at the beginning, you heard him talk about uh why he left there. I want to find the one where he goes into detail about it. Um and he just talks about how yeah, he he went uh he went to this meeting and they told him, you know, either we're gonna, like I said at the beginning, either your career is gonna go skyrocketing from here, or we're gonna destroy your career based on, you know. Uh he kind of glazed over it in that saying I didn't want to take the money, so I left. Uh, but I wanted to find the one with the great detail in it.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Um yeah, it, you know, it kind of sounds like they wanted to put a muzzle on him, you know, control him. And it kind of reminds me of uh, you know, you hear a lot uh about things like this in the music industry. Um you know, you usually don't hear it so much in with comedy, but definitely in music. You hear about it all the time where you know these uh music, these AR record, you know, executives try to try to muzzle them and make them do certain records and certain things. And you know, the bands half the time are just like, God, you know, they're just trying to like get out of the contract, and then even at the end of the contract, a lot of times they don't even own their own music at the end of it, and then you know it gets even worse from there, and then like that's why you will weirdly see them like re-record songs and stuff like that later, you know, and it's like this isn't the original. Well, it's because somebody else owns the original, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

Another one is uh is Kanye West. Now that one I don't think he was, I don't think he was pressured into like from the powers that be into anything. I think that he's just an asshole, right? I mean, how many years, how many years in a row did he go up when somebody won an award and did he just storm up on stage? Remember that back in the early two mid 2000s?

SPEAKER_04 11:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

And he would uh you know, he'd go up there and you go on a rant about uh how he should have won, and you know, who do who he's that he did it to quite a few celebrities. It's just like you know, they blamed it on bipolar bipolar disorder and stuff. You're doing something like that, I don't think it's because you're bipolar, I think you're just an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Yeah, I I think he uh he he tries to be something that gets you know headlines, right? Polarizing, yeah, very, very polarizing. And you know, I can remember back in time he had an album or two before his kind of peak that he had. And the you know, the peak was like that gold digger song. Yeah and um in that particular album, I remember that album, it was pretty good. I actually really liked it at the time, and then after that, he went off the deep end, like completely. And I don't know if it's because he hooked up with with Kim K and just lost his shit, or or like that whole family just drove him batshit insane and he's never recovered from it. But you know, like like today, you know, he he was trying to like sell merch is as like a like a Nazi or something, and you know, he's like, Yeah, I endorse Trump, you know, like he makes these kind of like statements that are kind of like, huh, that's interesting, that makes you go, oh, okay. And then like, you know, he he and Kim split and his current, I think they're married, current wife, I guess. I don't know if you remember, they went to uh one of the events over the last year or two, and she's wearing like like a shower curtain, like a see-through shower curtain, completely 100% naked.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

It was like, what? Like what what are you what are you doing, man? And you know, I I think at one point, you know, you talk about celebrities going nuts, and you know, some of that could be like driven by like the paparazzi always hounding them nonstop. And I remember at one point, I think he moved to like Wyoming, and again, like, like he literally like went off the reservation out there, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

And look at the some of the stuff he wears too, though. I mean, I've never heard I've never seen you don't see many celebrities that are that extreme that go, uh, poor me, leave me alone, give me my privacy, but then they'll wear the most ridiculous things out in public. It's like a it's like a girl wearing almost nothing at the gym and then saying, Look at these guys are staring at me. You know, it's like that, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, you can always tell when somebody has too much money because they dress just ridiculous. Like I've seen a few of these people recently where like their shoes are kind of like if you took like a rain boot and it was just sort of spilling off the top, and it's like that's not a shoe, like it's like a slip-on, it looks like you got like barrel feet, and and I know you probably paid like thousands of dollars for these crazy shoes, but you look ridiculous, you know.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

Yeah, exactly. And then you've got you've got Britney Spears. Oof, oof. What the hell happened there, man? Like, I don't even know what the rumor is on how she went so far off the reservation. I know that she was like, she was huge, huge in the early 2000s, right? And I mean, she date she even like dated Justin Timberlake for a while, and like there's all like all this stuff, and then she ends up getting knocked up by one of her backup dancers who tries to have a career as that didn't as a rapper, and that didn't work. I don't even remember his name. That's how Federaline.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

That's that's that's Federaline, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

That's it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Um, and now she has how many kids? I don't even know, but I mean it makes you feel old. Right? Is it just two? Two sons?

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Yeah, I think so. I think it's two, but but you you always know when a woman is batshit crazy because the the dad has full custody, like that's like a dead giveaway that she is completely Looney Tunes, you know?

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Yeah. Well, I I keep getting these these uh little clips to pop up, like you know, if if you're on Facebook or something, and because like me and my son, for example, we'll go through the the little short clips because he likes the little uh animated comedy things, right? And uh, and also the like the clips where people are on skateboards and stuff and they wipe out and you know he laughs at that stuff. So anyway, we're watching those. Every once in a while, the Britney Spears one will pop up and she's like doing some sort of knife dance in her living room or something. I'm like, what the hell is with this woman? What happened? Right?

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Well, you know, she actually I think she got worse after the incident with uh uh Victor Wembanyama's security, where I don't know if you saw this, it was like in Vegas, and I think it was for like the All-Star game or something like that. And he's walking through, you know, this big time Vegas casino, and she comes walking up behind him like to say like hi to him or whatever, and his security turned around and like slapped the shit out of her. Yeah, and everyone was like, whoa! Like, what what the hell just happened, you know? And and then since then she keeps posting like the the crazy knife dancing videos, and you could tell she's I don't know if she's still on uh I'm sure it's probably it's gotta be multiple medications, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:53

I mean well Brittany, Brittany and um uh Justin Bieber are two cases for me that are like celebrities that ended up doing something, like like the Diddy parties, for example, and just can't find a way to live it down. I mean, uh there's clips of like 40-year-old women at award ceremonies with with Justin Bieber on stage. I can't remember who it was, but she's trying to force him to kiss her and stuff like that. Like right up on stage, he's like 13, she's like 40, and like all that kind of stuff, and you know, it it it just it it fucks him up for life, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Well, you know, Brittany uh made headlines just recently that she's apparently now on OnlyFans. Okay, why I don't know why anyone would want to watch that, but apparently she is. Uh, but but you know, Bieber, going back to Bieber, uh supposedly he was in the Diddy circle for a while. Yeah, and Diddy is known to be with uh both sides, so I would not doubt it if some weird shit happened at a Diddy party, either with or without Diddy and Bieber and whoever else, you know?

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Well, Bieber went from like a wholesome kind of kid, right? And I know that they kind of sh I remember there was some stories going around, they were trying to blame his mom, right? Of of being a negligent mother or whatever the case might be, right? There is but he went from like wholesome kid from like uh what was he on? Was it Disney or uh Nickelodeon or whatever the hell it was when his career started, right? Um, where a lot of those, like Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears, they all started like that, right? But he went from that kind of a kid to all of a sudden he's tattooed from the neck to the toes, he's giving cameras the finger, he's you know, he's sagging his pants. How did this happen? How did this monumental personality shift take place in such a quick, you know? The same thing, you could say the same thing about Miley Cyrus.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Oh god, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Same thing, boom, all of a sudden she's just this uh Madonna.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

I well, you know, hold on a sec. So going back to Miley, I think Miley was rebelling and she knew she she went probably too far, right? I think she was aware of it. Whereas like with Bieber, I think Bieber's just depressed. Like, you know, he did a um he did uh uh uh he got on stage at one of the recent uh music, you know, uh shows, right? The Grammys or I it could it was probably the Grammys that he was on there and it was it was like he was the the stage was like him in the middle of the audience, kind of like he's in his bedroom or something, like he's got no shirt on. I mean, he looks like he just did like one massive hit of heroin, you know, and he's just kind of in there doing his doing his thing halfway out of it. And yeah, I I gotta agree with you, man. Like he was he kind of had that wholesome image for a long time. You know, I saw a picture of him recently where he was at some event and Usher's there, and he's he's holding the Usher's shirt like he's ready to just punch him out, and Usher's kind of like, whoa, you know, and it's like boy, this is like not good, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

You don't want to get punched up by Justin Bieber in public. Your career is probably over.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Well, yeah, you know who else kind of reminds me of Bieber is uh Shia LaBeouf, right? From like the Transformer movie. He's the same way, man. He's got like a goatee, he he went full tats, like he's he's ready to like kill somebody today.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Well, it's it's funny because I see a lot of his clips now, and he's constantly having these breakdowns, emotional breakdowns on camera and stuff like that, and he's he's constantly now again. I'm a Christian, right? And I'm not perfect, but I watch him and he starts preaching about God, right? And every clip I see him in recently, but then he's throwing in in the same time he's he's talking about his his faith and and all this stuff, but the profanity that he's throwing into it and all of this, and it's just kind of contradicting what he's saying, right? Yeah, and it's I'm kind of like it kind of just sounds to me like he's searching for God for Jesus, but he hasn't found him.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Yeah, I don't think so. I agree.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

No, I don't think he's found him because he's he hasn't made that change. Uh you know, maybe he will one day. I hope that he does, but at the end of the day, right now, yeah, he's still struggling mentally and emotionally, you can tell, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Why though? Who why though? Like the Transformers kid. Like I I can't understand why.

unknown 21:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

I've had this I've had this debate with my wife a few times, not debate, but conversation with my wife a few times. And I'm constantly asking, like. Like, if I'm if I am a rich celebrity and I'm peaking in my career or whatever, I'm just starting to reach my peak. I've got all the money in the world, all this stuff. And I'm like, why do they always seem to turn to drugs and alcohol and all this stuff? I'm like, I don't understand. You have the world at your fingertips, and you're choosing substance abuse. I don't get it, right? And I understand that there's probably a lot of stress, a lot of a lot of lack of privacy, a lot of you know invasiveness in your in your life that we probably don't see, right? And I'll grant that. And like you said, probably heavy depression and stuff like that, but there's ways of navigating these things without turning to drugs and alcohol. And my wife brought up a good point. She said, Well, she said, most likely because when you're when you get up that high on a pedestal, it's kind of like, Well, what do you do from here?

SPEAKER_04 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

Right? How do you you get bored when you can do anything, go anywhere, and it's it's not have anything that you want, and you don't even have to think about how much money it's gonna cost you or anything, you can just go, right? Because you have so much money, it's like you kind of don't really want to do anything, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you you know what I think was a good um a good kind of opposite view of of this just recently was when um I don't know if you saw when Michael B. Jordan won the Oscar for Sinners, right? And he's he's one of these guys that I mean he's like dialed in, right? I mean, he is he is full-on committed, 100%. Anything else is it's like a gnat in the room, he's just gonna swat it away. Yeah, and so after he won the Oscar, you know, he went to like the in-and-out burger, and you know, everybody couldn't believe it, and he's there with his entourage, and they're like, hell yeah, you know, and they're like celebrating and stuff. But shortly after that, uh Kim K came out and said she said something on like X or or somewhere that basically insinuated she wanted to date him, like she thinks he's hot, you know, and and you know, obviously he's on top of the world and all these things. And and he responded to her and he's like respectfully declined. Don't make this about you. Like, I am not, I'm not taking the bait, ain't gonna happen. Good luck, have a good life. I mean, he was like cold, like tour.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

She got the Britney Spears treatment.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, he definitely gave her the Britney treatment.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

Well, he's he saw what she did to Kanye's career, and he's like, Stay away from me. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

I I mean, arguably, the moment that that she and Kanye shacked up, that's when he went insane. Uh I mean, he seemed to be normal, seemed to be leading up to that. I mean, he was just a rapper out of Chicago, you know. He was uh going back in time, he was really good friends with Common, and Common was out of Chicago, and Common's like a poet. I mean, he was in all kinds of movies and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

Yeah, he's a good actor.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Yeah, yeah, great dude, right? And then like Kanye just I don't I don't know. I don't know what happened, you know. Maybe the family just drove him insane. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

The thing is with Kanye for me is that he blames everything, everything that he tries to achieve and gets rejected on, or you know, I I know that he was having issues with the banks for a while and stuff like that, they were freezing his accounts and stuff, but everything always amounts, and I think this is why he lost a lot of respect and consideration and celebrity status, is because he blamed everything was racism, everything, yeah. And when you start to do that, if you because you didn't win a Grammy, it's racist, right? Everything that happens, I'm sorry, but eventually people start to just start paying attention to other people because you just you become white noise, right? You can't be taken seriously, and you know, I get it, I get the I would probably do I, you know, I would probably consider doing the same thing if I was if I was in his kind of a position where it's like you want to stay relevant, right? How do I stay relevant when I don't win? I was up for a Grammy and I didn't win it. How do I stay relevant? Do something shocking, yeah. Go up on stage, right? Or whatever. I might not go up on stage and say, Well, I'm the one that should have won. I might run up on stage and you know, make a joke or whatever, you know, pretend like pull a Jim Carrey or something, or pretend that I heard my name and then uh, you know, do some kind of comedy, something like that, right? To stay relevant, and that would kind of steal the show and it would keep the light on you, kind of thing. Career-wise, it's a smart move. But to go up there and claim that you didn't win because of racism or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Well, and then and then not only is he doing that, but he's also ruining someone else's moment, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Yeah, yeah. Exactly, yeah. So it's I don't know, for me, I don't think Kanye has I don't think Kanye has a leg to stand on when it comes to making an excuse for for why his career took a nosedive. I think that he used racism, the race card as a crutch, uh, and I think that he's just an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

I agree. Okay, so so going back in time, you know, I can remember around 05, 06, there was this time period where all of the crazy girls in Hollywood kept wrecking their cars. It was like it was like every week, like somebody like, yeah, she drove into the paparazzi, you know, and then this one drove into the wall over here. And it was like it was Brittany, it was Lindsay Lohan, it was uh Paris Hilton, you know, that they were all kind of doing it. And what's interesting is fast forward to today, right? So Brittany apparently had her mental breakdown in 07, went into conservatorship with her dad for 13 years, right? And the other two, as far as I'm aware, did not, though Lindsay Loan had like the the ankle monitor, you know, and and like the she had like some kind of decorative fashion thing to like cover her anklet. But uh, but you know, uh Paris Hilton, by all accounts, actually comes across halfway semi-normal now, if that's possible, which is kind of odd. But but I feel like Britney, like I don't know if if they just heavily intoxicated, drugged her over that 13-year window, but she is she is not the same. And the interesting thing that I do kind of wonder for the debate is like, you know, you hear both sides of it today, like, you know, leading up to her getting out of the conservatorship, there was a lot of talk of like free Brittany, and this isn't fair, and she deserves a chance, and you know, all these things, and like we freed her, and it's like it's time to put her back into the institution, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 29:05

Like leave Brittany alone, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Yeah, that guy, leave Brittany alone, like dude, like we we left, we let her come out, and it's it's not good, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Have you uh have you seen this? I'm gonna I'm gonna play this clip here for you. Justin Timberlake. Have you seen this yet?

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Because uh arrested for the way, and then you're not stopping at the stop sign. Sorry about that. Um is this your vehicle? Whose vehicle is it? Uh rental. Is it rental? Okay. Um do you have uh any registration with it? Do you know if you can put it in the glove box? What do you uh visit in?

SPEAKER_03 29:48

This was uh obviously 2024, okay. Uh but the the video was just released.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

I don't know what's oh great.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

But it just it's just another example of you know it's and it's not unique to celebrities, but they do have a certain level of entitlement when it comes to this Starflick. What do you think? You you should know better. You should you should the bar is higher for you, not lower, right? The odds of you being arrested by some cop or something like that for doing something like this and it making front page news is ten times, a million times more likely than it is for Joe the farmer driving down the street, right? Coming back from the bar because you are Justin Timberlake, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Yeah, yeah. I I think that you know I can think of two really good recent examples of piss poor celebrity judgment, right? Example number one was Lindsay Vaughn. Like, I don't know if you watched her in the Olympics, right? Like, she's I think she's in her maybe mid-40s, something like this, right? She hasn't been technically like good or relevant at skiing in at least 15 to 20 years, okay? So she's like, no, I'm coming back, I'm going for it, you know, I'm coming. You know, she like you said, it's like, how do you it reminds me of a bar? You know, it's like, how do you make the bar relevant 20, 30 years later, right? And that's kind of what she's trying to do is stay relevant. So she goes out there, like the very first day, epic, epic, colossal wipeout, like snapped her leg, multiple legs, I think, like broken bones, compound fracture, you know, like she was on the mountain going, oh, you know, they had to like helicopter are off the mountain. And I and I was saying to my wife, I'm like, what the hell is she thinking? Like you weren't you haven't been good at this in like 20 years. Like, I I get it, you're trying to stay relevant, but my god, like move into the booth, be a commentator, you know, get the headphones to do something else. Yeah, like like you know, like you're she doesn't get it that she needs to transition from being in the game to being like a coach or being a commentator, and it's like, yes, you do, you know, and likewise, another just great example of this is Tiger Woods and his recent car wreck, right? So Tiger Woods flipped another vehicle, and every time he flips a vehicle, I mean, he is he is like bugged out, right? Like he is on so many pills, and and to to that point, I almost I almost don't blame him because I know he's had just an insane amount of surgeries, everything's torn, broken, whatever. You know, like from his peak in golf, he must have been on a lot of like performance enhancing stuff because ever since he's like he's he's fallen apart and he's he's had something like like eight or nine like back or neck surgeries, and he's he's completely pilled out, right? And I I sit there and I think, okay, so so Tiger Woods has, I mean, what's he worth? Uh two, three, four hundred million dollars at least, if not more. Uh, he's worth one and a half billion dollars. Okay, one and a half billion.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

And he can't get a driver.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

He can't get a driver.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

That's what I was just gonna say. I said, why don't you just hire a driver? Uh, you know, like the money you make, like from your name, there's probably so much royalties that this guy makes on the side through brand deals and golf equipment and all kinds of stuff. That alone probably would pay for a driving service wherever, whenever you wanted to. That's exactly the state of mind I was in. Take this man's license away. Why is he driving when he can just afford no problem a driving service? He could have a driver on he could buy the whole driving school, yeah. Right? Like, why you know I that's what I would do if I if I I would probably forget how to drive over time because if I had Tiger Woods money, because I would just have a driving service bring me everywhere, bring the car around, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Yeah. I I I think I think Tiger I what I really think happened is I think his his dad died and he kind of lost his shit. And then that combined with just this staggering, compounding amount of inner in injuries, I think is has just kind of like added up over time with him. And and I'm sure, you know, leading up to his uh scandal where they found out that he was sleeping with like literally everybody. It was like, you know, the maid, uh, the neighbor, the Perkins waitress, you know, the girl, the girl from social media, like like literally everybody. And apparently, prior to that, he was very, very private to the point that he was like untouchable, right? And he had he had like crazy endorsements, like Rolex and you know, all the big stuff, like Mercedes. I'm sure it was like Mercedes, one of them. He had all the super fancy stuff endorsements, and then the scandal got out also. And again, that kind of like added to this like thing of like him just going off the deep end. But I keep coming back to like like Entourage, and you know, Vinny Chase had a driver, he had turtle, like like where is Tiger Woods' turtle? Like, you need somebody to drive him around in an SUV, you know, like like Harvey from suits, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Exactly. There is one celebrity that is the polar opposite of everyone we've talked about so far. Can you guess who it is?

SPEAKER_02 35:44

The polar opposite. So you're saying they're they're doing well or they're doing not well, doing doing fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

Always been around for decades. Never heard a peep.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

I am a fan of Arnold, but I know he had his own scandal. Um, not Arnold. Um, I haven't really ever heard anything about Nicholson or Clint Eastwood. Um, who else you got?

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Keanu Reeves. Oh, yeah, love Keanu. Never everyone. Yeah, no, even when you see photos of him with people and stuff, like with women and stuff. I've seen this a hundred times. He put, you know, they put their hands around him, he puts his hands behind them. But there's always you can see his hand on the other side, he never even will touch their back, right? Yeah, he won't even do something like that. He willn't the man will not risk any type of scandal accusation whatsoever. He has been the squeaky clean guy. You have never heard a scandal involving Keanu Reeves ever, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:51

I mean, you know, really the biggest scandal with him was that he was a bass player of uh I think his band was called Dogstar, and everyone was like, What the hell is this? You know, I remember when that came out.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

That's the biggest scandal, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Or maybe it was that he was in uh Bill and Ted's, you know, he was part of Wild Stallions.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Wild Stallions, yes. He I like I've heard a lot about this guy. I've done a lot of reading about Keanu Reeves, and I mean the guy takes the subway all the time, right? Uh, I know that his sister had passed away from I can't remember the type of cancer it was, but his sister had passed away from cancer. And I read that he had given most of his proceeds from the Matrix trilogy to the research of the cancer that took his sister, right? He didn't even keep he didn't keep it. He's still completely loaded, right? Yeah, yeah. There's clips of uh buses of uh tourists driving past his house. There's one recently, and he's outside just grabbing the newspaper and he's like, Hey, how's it going? He's walking on like this doesn't care, he's just a solid, just everyday kind of dude, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Yeah, and um I I saw a really good clip, um a quote from him recently where it was kind of on the political front, you know, and he was saying something about how you know uh two plus two is four, but if you think it's five, good for you. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

You go, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Yeah, you you just you just go with that. You know, he's like, I just I don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

Just just have you gotta admire that about him, right? He doesn't he doesn't feed into any of the negativities, you know, and he's living his best life.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Yeah, he really is. Now, I would say, you know, maybe a scandal is the last Matrix movie because God was that terrible. I don't know if you ever saw it, but it was bad, it was not one of his best.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

No, it did not hit. Um, I read they're doing another one, though. Are they? Yeah, I read they're gonna do another one. I I guess they just didn't want to end it like that.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

So it equal, equally scandalous, semi-celebrity topic. I guess it does kind of fit into today's topic, even though it's not really conservatorship, is the Wachowski brothers who did the Matrix after the three matrix movie became the Wachowski sisters. Oh god. Seriously, they did like that that happened. Yes, both of them. Like, what do you know what the chances are? I mean, I I knew the matrix was out there, but it's like you're your way in your own head to and then both of them, you know, like yeah, let's be sisters instead.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

If my brother came to me and said, Let's be sisters, I'd probably just punch him in the head and say, get your shit together, dude. Get it together. Yeah. Let me just knock some sense into you. Yeah. But you you have uh, but yeah, like so Keanu Reed is kind of on the opposite end of that. And there's two celebrities that are perfect examples of their careers just starting to take off, like just starting to take off, and then self-destruct. And I don't know if it's because the pressure gets to them, but um I can't remember his name. Um the guy that was playing um on uh the Marvel movies are uh black guy, what's his name? He was playing uh Khan. No, uh is it Kang?

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Kang. Kang Kang Kang. He's playing Kang.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

That guy, he's he was starting to get all kinds of roles.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

He was in the last actor too, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

Yeah, he was in Creed, was it Creed III?

SPEAKER_02 40:52

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Right? And he was in he was Mar he was signed up in Marvel for multiple movies to play. Kang, right? That that whole dynasty thing was just taking off. And uh he was in he was in a few other movies that I saw too, but so his career was just starting to to propel. And same thing with Ezra Miller playing LaFlash, right? And what happened? Domestic assault, domestic abuse, stuff like that. They they just I think that they just couldn't handle the um the pressure of the celebrity that the level of celebrity that seemed to be starting to resonate around them, right? And they just go off the deep end. Like it's like like we it was like we talked about with uh with the last video with police, some police shouldn't be police because they don't have the personalities for it, right? Some people can't handle that celebrity. It's almost like they start to feel like, well, shit, I can do anything I want. You want to talk smack? Boom, right in the mouth, right? Nailing women and stuff like that, and what happens? Reality sets in. Now your career is destroyed. You you know, Marvel's dropping you, or DC Comics is dropping you as an actor, right? And your career just gets flushed because you couldn't stay tethered to reality. And I think that you know, that's a I think that's why you see a lot of celebrities who like a lot of let's say men, for example, who stay with the woman they were with before they became famous. And I I think that that that woman that they that they were with before they became famous helps keep them tethered, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Like LeBron, you know, look at Lebron, right? Yeah, yeah, same wife, whole time.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

Yeah, yeah. She just didn't teach them, you know, how to act very well.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Hey, so what about what about on the kind of like the Me Too side about Kevin Spacey, right? Kevin Spacey, you know, arguably amazing actor, incredible acting skills, very good. He gets accused by multiple men of hitting hitting on them. And you know, uh later, like he denies everything, but since he's sort of just been like ostracized from Hollywood, from movies, from everything. And you know, I remember thinking about him at different times, like, you know, he plays a really good serial killer, he plays a really good like in House of Cards, like yeah, like seven house of cards. He's like this maniacal, sadistic politician that stops at nothing, that he's semi-gay and he's in the closet, but he, you know, he could easily kill you and he kills somebody, you know, he pushes someone in front of a train, whatever. And you know, it's it's funny because I think a lot of actors sort of get like pigeonholed at kind of who they are. And I remember thinking with him, it's like, I don't know if he's just playing a really good spirit player, you know, and he's just complaining that he's closeted gay. Like it turns out he actually is. Gay and he kind of could be a serial killer. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Yeah. I yeah, I really do like his acting. Yeah, I agree with you. Great actor. Yeah. Yeah. Robert De Niro, another one who's just lost so much respect from people because of his just anti-Trump rhetoric.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

He hates Trump's guts. Hates his guts.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

Yeah. And we've we've talked about this before. I think one of the biggest mistakes, and Keanu Reeves is a perfect example of it. One of the biggest mistakes celebrities make is pushing out their political narrative.

SPEAKER_04 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

Nobody gives a shit.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Right? Like you destroy you self-destruct. Nobody, I have no idea where Keanu Reeves stands on the political spectrum. No idea. Nor do I want to know where he stands on it, right? Now, guess what? I can just enjoy his movies without every time me seeing his face, seeing him ranting about how much he hates Trump or ranting about how much you know, like I don't want to know. I want to watch a movie, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Well, it's it's the don't bring your politics into the workplace. And likewise, for the studio who's making the movie, they need to have actors who are the most appealing to the broadest group of people, right? So when you when you make political statements, I mean, yeah, they're very polarizing one way or the other, you know, and you gotta kind of again like have a little awareness. But I think with some of them, I mean, you know, De Niro, I mean, he's been making movies since what the 70s, maybe late 60s. So I mean, he doesn't care at this point, he just kind of says anything, right? But you know, one celebrity that I kind of wanted to go back to that I I sort of in the same way that I think you lost respect for De Niro, that I lost like all respect for was Will Smith, right? I was gonna bring him up, yeah. Yeah, my god, man, Will Smith. So, you know, like uh, you know, uh guilty is charged. I watched The Fresh Prince. I could probably still sing you the whole theme song, you know, it's like burned into my brain forever. You know, like like I even liked him as a rapper, you know, and like some of his rap songs I thought were were great. And I think that his relationship with Jada is so freaking weird, like they're one of those like weirdo kind of celebrity couples where she was like banging the pool guy and banging the tennis coach and banging whoever.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

She banged their their her their son's best friend or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Yes, right, yes, yeah, yeah. And and like she's been public about all this stuff, and it's like, what? And and they're like, Yeah, and we're we're still married, and it's like, what? Like, what what are you doing? And clearly it's it was in his head at the Oscars, where you know, he he goes up on stage, he assaults Chris Rock. I mean, he slapped the shit out of him, like on stage, and then he's yelling at the top of his lungs, you know, take my wife's name out your effing mouth, you know. It's like, dude, like you crossed the line, man.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

You know, you know what I think happened there now. As a man, I can tell you, and I'm sure you can too. I mean, there's times where like I I've dated women and stuff like that, where they're just like complete fucking wet blankets, right? Complete, you can enjoy a second of life without them sucking all the energy out of the room, right? And it just it seems like Jada is that that person, right? Yeah, and for and this is just speculation for me, but I'm just trying to put myself in Will's shoes because when Chris made his joke, Will laughed, it was a good time, and then he looked over at Jada, and she was get like she gave him that look, and I think that that was just like the tipping point. I don't think that that slab had anything to do with Chris Rock whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

I think he was just like, you know what? This bitch, right? I'm gonna let it out. I'm gonna let it out because once again, I'm trying to have a good time. Here we are. I was looking forward to this night, and here she is. He knows, based on the look on her face, she's gonna ruin my evening tonight when that when we get into privacy, private, right? And he's like, you know what? And he just snapped. He walked up there, smacked the shit out of Chris Rock, came back, and was still screaming. And I I think that it was I don't think honestly think it had anything to do with Chris Rock whatsoever. I don't think the joke, I don't think he found the joke offensive or anything. Uh obviously he was laughing beforehand. I think that look Jada gave him, and that was just enough was enough. This bitch drives me crazy, and now she's gonna ruin this night for me, and he just let it out on Chris's face. That's what I think happened.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yeah, could be, could be. I you know, I I gotta say that after that happened, I mean this is the Oscars, right? This this isn't like you know, you were at Walmart and you got in a fight in the aisle or something. This is literally the Oscars. I mean, this this is like hollowed ground for for you know the entertainment industry, and that's where you do that. Like, I thought they should have arrested his ass. I mean, they they absolutely should have. That's assault. It happened right there. Everybody saw it, you know. The cops should have came out and handcuffed him.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

I think they talked about it, uh, and Chris. I I saw later that night Chris had said no, I don't that he didn't want to file charges or whatever. But I agree with you, like it was completely and I don't blame them for not wanting him there anymore. But for me, if I'm if I'm Jada, for example, when was the last time she was relevant?

SPEAKER_02 49:47

Well, she did the the Matrix three, I think. I think she was in the two and three two and three, yeah. And prior to that, you know, the funny thing was when when she and Will got together, the only thing she had ever done was she was in a movie with um one the older Wayans, um, not not any of the guys from like uh Scary Movie, but um Damon Wayne's or no, it wasn't Damon, it was the other one that was on uh in Living Color. Anyway, she was in the movie with him, and um, and she was like, you know, the the actress kind of, you know, alongside his main character in the movie, and that that was it, you know. Um and so she never really did a whole lot, and then all of a sudden it was like she's just married to Will Smith, and then you know, they have all these kids, and then all of a sudden they have this really weird Hollywood life that's just like embarrassing and uh odd.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

That's yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at was like for me, I mean, Chris Rock made the joke, right? You haven't been relevant in decades, and he just you know, he just kind of mentioned you and kind of made you relevant for a couple minutes there, where people are like, Oh, Jada Smith, right? Yeah, it was a joke at your expense, but it was a joke, nevertheless. The joke when they joke about someone like that, like another celebrity, usually it means that they acknowledge and respect you. That's what roasts are all about, right? So it kind of brought a little bit of relevancy to her, even not for just a minute or two, and for her to go that way with it, you know, I don't know. I think she's toxic. I think again, it's another example of you know uh a relationship, and it goes both ways, it's not just women, a relationship that's just so toxic that it drives the other person insane and makes them do stuff that they just normally wouldn't do, right? Like you said, I had all the respect in Wolf. I I respected him as an act, and I still do, as an actor, as an artist. Like I'm not the biggest rapper fan, but he did come up with that one banging album at the around the millennium, right? Big Willie style or whatever. There's a lot of good songs on that album, right? Miami and like you know, Big Willie and all that stuff. We're getting jiggy with it, whatever, right? You know you're gonna listen to it after the show.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yeah, it's on the list, yeah. It's my new gym playlist. I'm going to Miami.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Yeah, and I think I think Will can recover, though. I think he's good enough uh to recover from something like that. I think that he should probably do something.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

I don't know if him and he's got a lever. He they they have to split, they have to.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Well, from from what I've been seeing, he actually did. He's in he's overseas, and I've been watching, like, there's been little clips popping up of him dancing with other women in clubs and stuff like that, and yeah, uh having the time of his kind of living his best life. I think they're kind of separated right now.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

God, let's hope so. You know, I I honestly after after he did that to Chris Rock, I mean, Chris Rock is like one of my comedy heroes, and I was like, that was just so out of left field and unprofessional that I was like, you know, I I haven't watched a single thing he's been in since. And when it comes up, I'm like, nope, then I I don't even look at anything he does anymore. But I agree that you know, we're always looking for a comeback, but I think you also got to like do it the right way, too. And and I don't know if he ever fixed that situation, you know. I mean, it's like it he just sort of like time went on, you know.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

I think that eventually him and Chris will, because from from what they both said, they they've been friends for decades, right? Will and and Chris. So I wouldn't be shocked that at some point they put the water under the bridge when Jade is out of the picture, and then you'll see some sort of comedy thing, or you'll see something where they do something together, him and Chris. There'll be a movie or a show or something, and then they'll probably make fun of themselves for the situation. I think that's the best way to kind of recover from it, right? Is to do something like that. They're both comedians, they're both funny guys. I think eventually you will see something like that happen where they make fun of themselves for that situation after enough time passes where it's you know. So I'm I'm I don't think that really destroyed uh you know either of their careers. I I understand the uproar and stuff. I I could I was watching it live and I just which is odd for me because I never watch the Grammys or the Oscars or anything, right? Uh because it's it's just not interesting like it was in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

Nobody cares anymore, right?

SPEAKER_04 54:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

And um I I thought it was I thought it was a gimmick. I was like, this I'm waiting for the I'm waiting for the punchline here, right? Like what's what's going on? It's get starting to okay. Let's get on. Yeah, too much time has passed. It's feeling awkward now. I don't think the punchline's gonna hit.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Hey, you know what would be funny, like a a good way for them to kind of move past that. I I've thought about this for a while, is if they filmed a skit like in a parking lot or something, and Will's there, like, all right, let's get it over with, smack shit, let's do it. And then you have Chris Rock agree to it, but then sort of step off to the side and have like a proxy, like one of those professional slap guys to slap the shit out of it. Like, like that would like if he did that, I'd be like, All right, I'll watch your movies again.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Yeah, and they probably will. They probably will, you know, he'll blindfold them when you'll see Mike Tyson come over something like that, and just poof, right? Yeah, yeah. Will do the the the fake dummy will flying through the air like on the Will Smith show.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

You know, I used to I used to love in the in the late 90s when they would do the the fake dummy, like especially on uh Married with Children, they did that all the time. There was an episode, I don't know if you ever saw this one, one of it was my all-time favorite Married with Children episode, where uh Al is installing a satellite dish, and literally the whole episode is like they're making jokes about guys falling off the roof, like he falls off, Jefferson falls off, one of the guys falls, and then you know they they throw the dummy down and it's going like headfirst right into the pavement, you know.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

It's pretty good. Yeah, that stuff was amazing back in the 90s because it was on the nose, right? It was like you knew, and I think that they relied too much on uh uh special effects now and stuff like that. Like, bring that back, especially when you're doing comedy, because that's the point. It's on the nose. We know it's a dummy, you know it's a dummy, but it's hilarious, right? Like, bring that back. I I think they should bring that back on TV shows, on sitcoms and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Yeah, yeah. I think you know, ultimately with with this whole topic, I think there's a lot of celebrities that just sort of need somebody normal around them, right? To be like, hey, you know, let's maybe not do that. Like Tiger, like like I see you looking at the keys. We're not we're not getting we're you're not getting the keys, like they're locked in my room. I'm the driver, you know. I mean, like I feel like a lot of these people, they they just sort of need somebody to keep them like in check. And if they're not careful, like like a bieber, like somebody like that, I mean, he could easily be the next dead celebrity that you know we find out he's OD'd on heroin or something like that, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the belt around the neck, right? Just like uh the singer of in excess, same deal.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

You know, yeah, it's uh it's yeah, it's it's crazy, man. It's crazy. And like I said earlier, I think you know, I I gotta agree with my wife when she says that it's like you become numb to everything, and you gotta search in a different way to get that exhilaration or that uh you know endorphin release or whatever the whatever the case might be, right? And maybe maybe that's true. I like to think that I would be rather rather uh relatively tethered to reality if I you know became a celebrity and stuff. Um, but I'm a pretty irritated guy, like I don't like people.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

So well, it may not go well with the paparazzi then.

SPEAKER_03 58:20

Hey, you want to come snap pictures of me while I play World of Warcraft by myself with a bag of Cheetos? Go ahead, man. I don't give a shit, right? But yeah, just go ahead and do it.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Well, you know, I mean, you know, that is a that is an aspect of it too, right? Like when you're a celebrity, you you kind of you're always on, you know, there's always somebody trying to do something to you or be in your face or buzzing around. And I'm sure at times they do probably just snap and they've they've kind of had enough. But I mean, equally at the same time, I mean you you get some of these like weird celebrity break-ins and stuff. Like, I don't know if you've heard about all those. I mean, I I would be pretty leery about living in like LA in some of these areas unless I had like a full-blown security team, you know?

SPEAKER_03 59:02

Yeah, a pack of Shiba Inu dogs running my back, running around my yard, my property. They're aggressive little fuckers, right? Sick 'em. But uh, I I think I like to think I would be more like uh what's his name? Henry Canval? Carval? Cavill, yeah. Yeah, Superman, right? Yeah, he always talks about how like people always ask him, like, you know, he's he's a single guy, he's not married, and he stays out of the same thing as Cannes Reese, he stays stays out of all the controversy people ask him. It's like I just stay home and play World of Warcraft. That's what he does. He talks about it all the time. Like, yeah. Yeah, okay. What do you do on a weekend? I raid.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you you don't need to be at every club at all times, you know, you don't need to be in that scene. Um, I even saw like a thing just the other day, you know, like I think you and I are uh nearly the exact same age, and you know, some of the people are celebrities now. I I have no idea who they are, right? I saw one the other day, and it was talking about this girl was some sort of uh social media influencer, and uh, and she got ran over because she got she got in a uh verbal altercation with some other girl at the club, and then they're outside the club yelling at each other, and the other girl gets in her car and she's still yelling at her, and then the girl in the car runs her over and like killed her. It's like what? Like, what what like why are you even there? Why are you at the club? You know, like what do you what are you doing, you know? Kind of like what we were talking about earlier, you know, like with uh just the substance abuse and stuff like that. Like, don't you like yourself enough to not do that shit? Like, couldn't couldn't you live in a just an amazing life and not be on anything? I mean, look at look at like Tom Cruise, you know, he's like a like a fighter pilot, a daredevil, a stunt guy, a skydiver.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

You know, I mean well, like for me, exactly. I'm I'm I kind of have that attitude about me where it's like there's there's so much this world has to offer, and I mean, like, for example, like I've I've been talking a lot about going to the Great Wall of China, because I haven't been there, right? I got a bucket list of places that I'm gonna go in my life, and that list just keeps growing. I'm gonna go to the Great Wall of China. I'm gonna do my best to travel the whole damn thing, right? I why? Because I want to just pull out a lawn chair, sit down on the Great Wall of China, and just absorb the history and and everything of just being appreciating the fact that I'm there and just just be in the moment. Like, there's so many places in this world you could do stuff like that, right? And just like you could you could do the you don't even have to be religious here, you could you could do the walk uh you know, the the walk in uh of Jesus, for example, right? Same walk that he did. You can fly out and do that and experience that. You can you know, just all kinds of stuff like that you could do. Like, why do you need drugs? Why do you need you know that kind of stuff? I don't know, I don't understand it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

I think what it is is they simply just don't have a foundation. There's no foundation under the house. And if you don't have a foundation, the house is gonna crumble at some point, right? So you may have this fancy mansion that you built basically on this career of whatever, but there's no foundation, you know. So at some point the whole thing is just kind of crumbling away. And then likewise, I think, you know, this this idea of trying trying to stay relevant, to be relevant, you know, like like you gotta just move on from that, you know. Like people will like you for you if you just do what you're good at, you know, which which again, like you and I talk about sometimes, you know. I was I was talking to my wife just the other day about Stranger Things, you know, that the cast that's in that show, they're all quick to like be done with it. It's like, oh, we gotta be done, you know, just like Game of Thrones. We gotta be done with it. I'm ready to turn the page. I want to go be a musician now, you know. Like a couple of them are in like, you know, rock bands. And it's like you gotta realize, like, that's gonna be fleeting. Like, like this thing and this person that you were in this show, like, that's what every literally everyone knows you for, and everyone loves that, and you need to keep living it up because that's what you'll always be remembered for, is that thing, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:25

Yeah, I think I think we've talked about that in the past. How you know there's these actors that talk about how whether male or female, they don't want to be typecast and stuck in a certain role forever. They I don't want to be this character. You're you're Harry Potters, right? You're you're stuff like that. And they're like, I don't want to be a one-trick pony. Every single, probably hundreds of millions of that may be an exaggeration, but there's probably millions of actors out there, failed actors, or or actors that are semi-successful, who would give anything for that one role that they can milk for their entire career, that they can you can just Mr. Bean milk that thing for everything it was worth. Yeah, you never saw him go, I don't want to be type ass. He just made his money for his whole life, right? Bean, yeah. You know, like same thing, like um just embrace it, just embrace it. That's that's a role that so many actors uh you know they they they strive for that that one role, that one breakout role that will just forever be universal. Hugh Jackman is Wolverine, right? Uh Harry Potter, like I said, there's roles, and it's just like that's who you are, full stop.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Did did you ever see um on Netflix uh Bo Jack Horseman? You ever see that show?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

No, I don't sound familiar.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Okay, so so it's like a cartoon and Will Will Arnett's the voice of Bo Jack Horseman, and he it it's kind of like loosely based on like Bob Sagitt, like full house. And it's like, yeah, he was on this 1980s sitcom where he was like the dad of the show and everything was great and he made all his money, and now it's like 20 years later, and he's just like this washed up addict, you know, and he doesn't he can't figure anything out, and no one knows him as as as anything else but the dad on the sitcom show, and it's like his his whole life is just like this train wreck following the show, you know. And it's like, you know, it just just just be the dad in the show. Like, you know, you volunteered for this. Clearly, it worked well, and you were very good at it. And and you know, like that's the part that's going right over their heads is like you were really, really good at this thing that you say that you don't want to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

You know, I don't want to be typecast. Well, I mean, it's not really up to you, right? You're an entertainer, that's what happens, you know. Yeah, and it's just it's funny because if you had asked them. Before they become successful in that role, if you could go to them and say, Listen, we can offer you a role, you're gonna be incredibly successful at it. People are gonna love the character that you're playing, right? Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, whatever the case might be, right? Um, but the catch is you you're only gonna be successful at that role and you got to stick with that. They would take it in the drop of a dime. I think they get their agents and their family and the people around them talking in their ears, now's the time to strike while the iron's hot and expand into something else. And you know what I mean? And then I don't want to do this anymore. Now I want to do something bigger, and you know, like you see that with a lot of actors that uh try to transition from TV shows to movies, right? And it's just a lot of times it just doesn't look at friends, the cast of friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

Oh, they've none of them have done anything, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

Yeah, they've all tried.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

But it's just like people don't want to see uh, you know, uh what uh Ross, uh, what's his name? Uh David Schwimmer. David, David Schwimmer. We don't want to see you play something else. We want you to be Ross. Yeah, you're Ross. So you're Ross. Yeah. You know, Chandler, Joey, uh, you know, Matthew Perry. He tried to do some stuff with Bruce Willis. They did a they did a few of those uh few of those movies, I can't remember what they're called. The hitman movies or the comedies, right? But uh expendable, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:28

Was it expendable?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

Well, the whole the whole nine yards, I think it was okay, okay, okay. Yeah. And it's just it didn't work out, right? They were okay, but you're Chandler, dude. Right? Like just be Chandler.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:41

Be Chandler.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Even the most successful, like uh Sarah Michelle, oh Sarah Michelle Killer, uh Rachel, what's her name?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

Um Jennifer Aniston.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox. Even the big those were the two arguably biggest stars outside of Friends, and even their careers after Friends didn't really. I mean, Courtney Cox had Scream the Scream series, right? Which was okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

Yeah. She had Ace Ventura, she was in the first Ace Ventura, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

And uh Rachel there, uh Jennifer Aniston, she tried to do a few movies afterwards too, and it just it didn't work out. Yeah, that's who you are. I mean, the Friends cast, and I I get it. I mean, how many seasons of Friends was there, 10 or 11 or something? A lot, yeah. I get it, you can only do a TV show for so long. But can you? I mean, there's a lot of TV shows out there that have been around since I was I mean, yeah, they're they're like afternoon uh what do you call them? Dramas or whatever, like days of our lives and you know, all that kind of stuff. Those things, those shows have been around. They just bring in different characters and it's been going for 45 years, long as I've been alive, right? Yeah, so just keep going. Days of our lives, season 62.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

If there is a season, yeah. I mean, that's that's insane. I I think you know, with uh going back to Robert Downey Jr., he he's an interesting one, right? Because he was kind of like an 80s star. He kind of had that period of time where he he got way into drugs, went off the deep end. Marvel arguably saved his life when they turned him into Iron Man, and he left Marvel to say, okay, done being Iron Man. He did his serious movie, Oppenheimer, right? Which I think think he might have got an Oscar in that. I mean, he was it, he was excellent, but I like that he came back to the MCU, you know, like he even he's realized it like, okay, like like we had our we had our run, that was great. I'm done with Iron Man, but you know what? I really like this thing, and I know I'm really good at it, so I'm back. Like, I love that. Yeah, like, yeah, but like come on back, you know, like that's what we love you in. Everybody loves you in Marvel, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:53

Yeah, yeah, I love that attitude. Yeah, as long as people will watch them, we'll keep making them, right? I think I remember watching an interview with uh Eddie Murphy, and they asked him about Shrek, I think it was. Yeah, on it was one of those late night talk shows or whatever, and he's they asked him about Shrek, and he said he they're like, you know, how many times are you gonna go back and play Donkey? He's and he's his answer was really quite simple. As long as people want to go to the movies and watch Shrek movies, I'll keep making them. Right? Yeah, and I'm like, that's a that's an amazing attitude to have, right? It's what the it's what your fans want to see, and I'm sure he has fun doing it, right? Otherwise, he probably wouldn't want to. So, but yeah, like with Robert Downey Jr., he probably arguably made the Marvel cinematic universe as big as it was, playing that character. I mean, would would the Avengers movies and that that whole universe be as successful as it was without Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man? No way, no chance, yeah, no way. Like he played Iron Man in like so many movies, even guest starring and Spider-Man and all these other movies, right, is just always there. And I love that he's coming back as Doctor Doom now, right? And just he's there still, right? And who knows, maybe because they're you know crossing all these cinematic universes together in the movies, maybe he'll play Iron Man as well as Doom. And who knows, right? Like I'm saying, people want him there, he's there, I love it, right? And he embraces it. But I remember he did a he he won an award, like you said, I think it was for Oppenheimer, like you were talking about, or was in an Oscar or something like that, and he thanked Mel Gibson. I don't know if you saw that speech. No, no, I don't think he he thanked Mel Gibson. He said that uh when he was at his lowest, he had been arrested, and it was the drugs and all that stuff. And he said Mel Gibson called him on the phone, and he went and I think he went and stayed at Mel Gibson's house for a while.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:51

Really?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

And and he said that uh Mel Gibson gave uh led him to his faith and in Jesus Christ and all that stuff, and he told him, he said, I don't know how to get get through this. And Mel told him you gotta hug the cactus. He said he calls it hugging the cactus, right? Which means taking responsibility and accountability for your past and embracing it as part of who you are and move forward and learn from your mistakes. And Mel Gibson calls it hugging the cactus. So he's he said, That's what I did. I hugged the cactus, and here I am today, right? And uh he he attributed it to uh Mel Gibson giving him that phone call and helping him out.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

So that's pretty cool. You know, Mel Gibson has been, I think, maybe somewhat of a controversial actor in recent years. Yeah, but I actually always thought he was an excellent actor and probably an even better director. Like he had that string of like where he did like the Patriot, um, and he did the the movie in like South America, then he did the Passion of the Christ, and it was just like wow, like like one after another. And I think he's gotten to the point now that he just kind of like if if you don't like what he has to say, it's like, well, F off, you know, like it just kind of is what it is with him, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

He's doing a sequel to The Passion of the Christ. Is he really? Yeah, yeah. It's uh it's about uh the the resurrection of Christ after afterwards, right? So same actor who played Jesus Christ and everything is is signed on to do it. So I think it'll be good. I think it'll be good. So yeah, yeah, I I have a lot of respect for Mo Gibson. I think he's a straight shooter. I think he's one of those guys who stayed out of the trouble as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

So he did. I mean, I I I I think he had like some sort of scandal with like a like a cop or getting arrested, or yeah, but but again, I mean nothing like some of these other ones, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:47

Yeah, he got pulled over or something, and he'd made some sort of a comment that got taken as racist, and I don't remember what it was. I mean, we're talking probably early 2000s, late 90s, like long time ago, right? Um, but yeah, that's like you said, I think he's a great actor, great director, great writer, you know, old school man. I love it. Yeah, but I guess that about wraps up this episode of the paradigm shift. Let us know, guys, obviously in the comment section, if you're watching on YouTube, uh, what you think about uh the topic today. Let us know what topics you'd like us to cover as well. Uh, make sure you like and subscribe on YouTube. Give us a 10-star rating if you're watching on uh or if you're listening over on um Spotify or Apple or any of our other uh wherever you listen to your podcasts, make sure you give us a five-star review there. It'd be greatly appreciated. Support the channel, support what we do, guys. Much, much appreciated. Final thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:49

Final thoughts. The celebrity game is a crazy game. You got to keep your head on your shoulders, stay grounded, and uh you know, embrace what you're good at. That's all I would say. And the ones that don't do that, well, those are the train wrecks that we read about and you see on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:07

Yeah, if you become a celebrity and you get rich, just don't be a jerk.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

Yeah, get a driver, get a driver, get a driver, somebody get tiger woods a driver. I mean, somebody has to be friends with him, just send him a driver. If he's not going to do it, just send him one.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

Yeah, I'll DM it. I'll DM him myself and say, hey, you pay me this much, I'll drive you around, bro. Right, right. All right, guys. Till the next time, God bless. Shift out.