Paradigm Shift Podcast: Marvel's Spider-Man Brand New Day deep dive

Rob & Jesse Take a deep look at the New Spider-Man Brand New Day Movie coming Out July 31st 2026, How some of the stories tie into the 90s cartoons and the other Spider-Man Movies,

You Do NOT Want to miss this deep dive

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Welcome back to another episode of the Paradigm Shift. I am Rob back with Jesse. What's going on, buddy? How you doing today, man?

SPEAKER_00 0:08

Oh, I'm doing great. I'm uh excited to talk about today's topic. I have had a uh brain drain of a week, and this one requires no brain power, so let's get it going.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

That's a compliment, that's a backhand compliment. Yes. The topic today is uh because we covered Marvel in the past, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and it was uh very, very well received by our viewers. So we're gonna kind of hone in on the next Marvel movie coming to theaters this summer, which is Spider-Man Brand New Day. We're gonna unpack it a little bit today. We're gonna talk about how it relates back to the Spider-Man uh cartoon, uh the most popular one back from the 90s, uh, and how it relates to the previous Spider-Man movies, like with this rendition of Peter Parker, right? Um I can't remember the kid's name right now. For some reason, it's it's Tom Holland.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Tom Holland, yeah. But but remember, his new name is now Tom.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

Right, yeah, it's it's like it's like Prince.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

It's Cher. Thomas Holland. Um personally, I'd like to start actually, I'd like to start with Tom Holland. Now, personally, he's my favorite Spider-Man. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it. Uh, I liked Toby Maguire, was great, and I know people will you know argue and say, well, you know, Toby Maguire was the best Spider-Man. Uh I think that there's just a little bias there. He was the first good Spider-Man in recent history, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

Being the first doesn't necessarily mean you're the best. Is he good? Absolutely, great. I like him as Spider-Man. Um, you can also say the same thing for uh Garfield there, and with Andrew Garfield, right? Spectacular Spider-Man or whatever his movies were. Uh, he did a pretty decent job. He's the weaker of the three, obviously, when it comes to uh the movies, but Tom Holland, I gotta say, and I I think it's my favorite problem because it came to fruition within the current structure of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Uh, all of the engagement with Robert Downey Jr. and Iron Man, uh, the lot of cross over there. Um, and I think that maybe just be my bias, but uh, I love though that they've brought Garfield and uh uh Toby Maguire back, and they've brought them into the the cinematic universe. Quick, quick side note. Uh allegedly Toby Maguire is actually uh being Spider-Man in uh the new Avengers Doomsday movie. They're bringing him back again to play Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Really? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Yeah, he's back. They are bringing Hugh Jackman back as Wolverine in that because they're bringing the mutants in. So they're bringing like basically all the people who originally played a lot of these characters, bringing them into the just from different multi areas of the multiverse, right? And I think it's fascinating and I think it's amazing that they're able to do that, right? Because it I think fans really love that nostalgia of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and Toby McGuire as Spider-Man and so on and so forth, right? Uh, even even what's his name, uh as Green Goblin. What was it?

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Uh William Defoe.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

Yes, William Defoe. Yeah, even him as the Green Goblin, fantastic, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah, well, you know, if you think about it, like the idea of the multiverse is genius because you can bring back these former actors to play the roles that they're not playing anymore. You can sort of take the new guy out of the role for a little while, you can flip it backwards, forwards. It's it's kind of a neat idea, really.

SPEAKER_04 4:05

Check that out.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

My man. Just your neighborhood, Spider-Man. Just hanging, clanging, and banging.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

I I mean to go to throw back, well, actually, let's talk first about the you know how it plays into the current rendition of Spider-Man, that the Tom Holland Spider-Man. I think that they've been getting progressively better and better, and I love the fact that he's sticking around more than three uh movies, right? Uh, like in like individual movies. He was also in a couple of the Avengers movies, but um, like three of them, I think. But um to have him as an actor sticking around, it's always fun. I mean, yes, now they have this easy way to segue into a new actor playing a character by way of the multiverse, right? Uh it it makes sense, it it you know, so that fans can kind of go, okay, well, I accept that as part of the storyline, then, right? As opposed to just plopping a new actor in there, you know, here you go.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Right. It's not like Game of Thrones when they replace people, and you're like, that's not that's not who you're telling me it is.

unknown 5:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

Yeah. Well, I mean, in the comics, uh, they're staying true to the comics in that aspect because in the comics, whenever they switched somebody else out to play uh whether it was like a new version of Captain Marvel or Spider-Man or whomever, there was a storyline as to why that mantle got passed. Captain America's another one, right? And it made sense for fans. You have to do that, right? So I think that might be part of the difficulty of casting people as well. Maybe they put that into the contracts when they originally cast people to play these actors, is like, look, uh, if in the eventuality that you're deciding you don't want to play the character anymore, or we're we don't want you to play the character anymore, um there has to be a segue where the the mantle is being passed and it has to make sense to uh to the character and to the storyline, otherwise we can't cast you.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah, I can totally see that. You know, um thinking about Spider-Man, you know what I else I think is really neat with Spider-Man is that you've got so I I agree with you. I think Tom Holland's probably the best Spider-Man, right? And I've seen you know the hype of like, you know, like my son's generation, like they that's their top movie, that's their top guy. They love it, you know. But what's what's also interesting, I think, with Spider-Man, you know, it it kind of reminds me of um the sports team uh where I live, right? So NFL team, they play, you know, seven, eight games a year, but that's only seven or eight days a year. So it's like, how do you fill up the rest of the year? Well, they had an events hall attached to it, and now they have concerts year-round, okay? And I think in Spider-Man, the brand, they've sort of done the same thing where yeah, you've got these, you've got like the main movie with Tom Holland and Tomy, Toby Meguiar and Garfield, you know, etc. But then you also have like the animated movie with the kid that I actually thought those were really good. And then I don't know if you've seen it. The um there's like a dark one now with Nicolas Cage. Have you seen that?

SPEAKER_04 7:36

You're talking well, first of all, you're talking about this this the cartoon one that's uh into the spider-verse. Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah, I really like that. Into the spider-verse was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Yeah. There's there's one, a dark one with Nicolas Cage.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Yeah, there's a there's a Spider-Man like spin-off thing where it's it kind of reminds me of um remember that movie Sin City that it started like that dark noir kind of theme. It's like that, but it's Spider-Man and it's Nick Cage as the actor.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Well, Spider-Man Noir is actually a version of Spider-Man in the multiverse.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Well, maybe they're bringing in Nick Cage then at some point, because remember he played um he he played the guy on the bike, I can't think of his name, the with the flaming skull, right? But it never really took off. What's that?

SPEAKER_04 8:21

Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Ghost Rider, exactly, yeah. But that was like a long time ago, and so now he's getting to play the the Spider-Man Noir version, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Well, that would be pretty cool because yeah, Spider-Man Noir is actually a black and white character, even when he's uh in interacting with all the other Spider-Mans and stuff when they the Spider-Verse kind of you know does this. Yeah, uh, he's still black and white and wearing the trench coat and the hat and stuff like that. So he's still that still has that look, the noir look, and the black he's black and white, but he's got the Spider-Man mask under the hat and stuff. So it's actually a pretty interesting character for sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Yeah, that I I I find that really neat. I I don't know what it was about the those Sin City movies. That that first one, I loved that movie, which we could probably do a whole episode on that alone, but I think it's neat that Spider-Man's doing that, you know.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Yeah. Well, I mean, I wouldn't be shocked to see him uh them bring that character in into the uh because from what I understand about the uh Avengers Doomsday uh is a two-part two-part movie, and from what I understand that it's where all the uh multiverses collide together and all the characters come across. So you you're probably gonna see a couple different versions of you know Wolverine and whomever else, right? So I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if you see saw Henry uh Carnaval Campbell. Uh he did a cameo. Yeah, he did a cameo in uh do uh Deadpool, I think you you recall the Deadpool movie with Wolverine. What was he? He was Wolverine. What? Yeah, he did Superman, he can't be Wolverine. Yeah, because so what happened was uh uh Deadpool was going from multiverse to multiverse, trying to find Wolverine to help him on this mission, right? And uh so he kept going to all these ones and he kept getting like he was like a version of Wolverine where uh Wolverine was in currently like in the battle with the Hulk, and you know he gets smacked away from the Hulk and because he just interrupts his battle between the Hulk and Wolverine. And and then one of them he comes to it's Henry uh Campbell. Cavill. Cavill. Henry Cavill, yeah, as Wolverine. Uh and uh obviously do uh Deadpool breaks the fourth wall, and he's like, We'll treat you so much better here than we did over there.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

That's really funny. They still want him to be super the fans like are craving for him to be Superman, you know.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Yeah, but he looked absolutely amazing as Wolverine, too. Yeah, it was like it was he was jacked up and everything too, and it was just they had his hair and his his chops going and everything, and you were just like that would make sense to bring him back to kind of take over the mantle of Hugh Jackman at some point if Hugh's ever finished, right? Yeah, um, or just to have two Wolverines. I mean they got three Spider-Mans right now, so yeah, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him back. Uh fans also glamour uh clamor for uh Tom Cruise to play Iron Man, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Tom Cruise's Iron Man.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Yeah, you didn't see that when they released um Avengers uh not Infinity War, but the second Endgame. No, in which was second Endgame was the second one, right? Uh they Marvel was actually smart enough to leak out multiple rumors that were not true on purpose because they didn't want anybody to know what was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

So they stinking people at Marvel, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:12

So they I know it might have been actually the Doctor Strange movie that it was Multiverse of Madness. I think that's what it was. Yeah, um, either way, so they actually released photos and everything of Tom Cruise as Iron Man.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Really?

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Oh, yeah, like uh the um I can't remember Ultimate Iron Man or something like that, where he actually has the infinity stones and uh his mask doesn't cover his face, goes around his head like that, and his hair's out, and you can see Tom Cruise's face.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

They they leaked all that stuff out there. Obviously, they probably got Tom Cruise's permission, right? He probably got a chuckle out of it, but ever since then, fans have been clamoring for that to happen. So, you know, Marvel does tend to kind of do that kind of stuff for the fans because if they brought in, for example, Tom Cruise to play Iron Man, that's gonna give you box office. I mean, people are gonna go, especially the anticipation. They've been waiting since uh the multiverse of madness. Yeah, so who knows? But they've been uh I'm really excited for this. They're calling it a reset of the Marvel Universe, and I think that this Spider-Man movie is kind of a reset in a way for the character, because watching the trailer, one of the things I picked up on was a subtle uh like maturation, a maturing of the the Peter Parker character from a kid to an adult. Yeah, right. He's kind of making that you get that transition, uh, not just like metaphorically, as he's uh as we get the throwback, which we'll get into about how he's uh his DNA is kind of mutating and stuff, and he's changing in that way, uh, but he's also changing as Peter Parker from the boy to the man.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Yeah, yeah. I yeah, you know, watching the uh trailer earlier, it got me thinking about um that last movie, and I kind of forgot about how they sort of had to like undo everything, and now he doesn't like nobody knows it, like all his best his best friend doesn't know him, you know, she doesn't know him. I kind of forgot about that part, and watching that, I kind of felt sad. I'm like, oh god, like none of them know him now, and now he's just like by himself, and they're living their best lives without him, too.

SPEAKER_04 14:36

I've never been happier.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

That's what that's what you always want to like tell yourself, if I'm not there, they're really gonna miss me. It's like maybe not.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

That's funny, yeah. And it, you know, and I think that that kind of uh is is part of the building blocks of him, you know, doing that, making that transition because he is in all of the other movies, he is very impulsive and childish and impatient as a character, as Peter Parker. And I think we're still we are, like I said, starting to see that maturation of him turning into a man, accepting his decisions and the consequences uh of what he's you know, what he's doing. Uh, and I find it interesting. I want to know how far they're gonna push the envelope when it comes to the throwback to the 90s cartoon, where he does full out turn into a massive man spider versus Spider-Man, where he grows all the limbs, just turns into a giant spider. Man or man spider, they call him man spider instead of Spider-Man. I don't know if you saw that in the cartoon. Yeah, and uh, I think that he ends up this it's in a time frame where I can't remember if it's Madame Webb that saves him or something. Because Madam Webb, they did make a Madame Webb movie, which was kind of and I mean they really should redo that because it just didn't tie into the rest of the Marvel universe, but she was kind of the conduit for Spider-Man and the Spider-Verse jumping around. She was the one pulling all the different versions of Spider-Man from all the different realities and stuff like that, right? Um, so I don't know if how far they're gonna push that envelope because another thing that I noticed from the trailer was he wakes up and he's in this massive web in a building, like uh you know, tucked under a ledge on a building, right? Yeah, and um he's like he's like trying to choose webs. But in in the last Spider-Man movie, they made a big deal out of the fact that Toby McGuire was the only version of Spider-Man that could that produce his own webs from his body. The other two have to make in a lab their own webbing cartridges and load up their but he's like this with no shirt on, there's nothing, you know, and he's and he's trying to try to shoot webs and stuff like that. So how how did that webbing where'd that webbing come from? And are are they gonna transition him into full out turning into a spider? And are they just keeping that out of the trailer?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Interesting. Yeah, you know, it's it's kind of funny, you know, as you're saying that. I'm thinking this is where sometimes I feel really dumb watching Marvel because it all like connects, right? And if you don't catch these little things, you don't you don't really put it together later. You know, it's kind of like yeah, I I I feel like I need to go back and like watch it all yet again and like make sure I'm not missing anything, you know.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Well they drop Easter eggs like crazy. Uh I've I've watched the entire uh in in chronological order, I've watched the entire uh Marvel Cinematic Universe uh multiple times from beginning to end, right? As it's supposed to fit into the storyline. Uh and and I do, I still pick up things that I missed and or things I forgot because there's just so much. It's a lot of TV to watch, right? Let's be honest. But I I like this reset, like I said, that they're doing because they did kind of veer. There was some things that I liked about the Marvel Universe uh in this previous kind of rendition. Like I liked the fact that they were bringing She-Hulk in. I don't like that it was kind of a leftist version of She-Hulk, so to speak. I liked that she broke the fourth wall, kind of like uh Deadpool. But the question you have to ask though is is She-Hulk the character to do that with? Right? Um, she's not She-Hulk is not a character that's supposed to really be funny. Right? Do you look at the Hulk and think comedy? Not generally.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

No, I think Hulk Smash, right?

SPEAKER_04 18:52

Yeah. And I mean, she's his cousin, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:57

She-Hulk Smash.

SPEAKER_04 18:59

Yeah, but I think that they could bring that character into the movies and try to make us forget about the show altogether. Because they did say that that was the plan, was that they were gonna reset things and they were gonna start to act as though the previous uh couple years of Marvel didn't happen.

unknown 19:17

Right.

SPEAKER_04 19:18

Oh, that's weird. Don't look it, it's gone. That's right, wipe it out. It didn't happen. Uh there's little things that they're going to bring in, obviously, like Shang Chi and stuff like that. Um, because they need those characters. He's a he's gonna be in uh the the Avengers Doomsday as well. But uh outside of that, let me ask you something.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

So in the Marvel universe, what do you think about the time before Stan Lee's death and the time after kind of going into Spider-Man and everything? Do you think they've do you think they've missed a beat, or do you think they've kept it up at the same pace, or do you think they're they're doing a big reset and they're gonna go full full blast? What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 20:06

I I I do think that they kind of went in a different direction almost right after his death. So clearly he didn't have any creative, there they were lacking that creative input from from him and the essence of these characters that he created, right? Um, but I think that what they're doing is trying to get back to that. I think that they're steering back towards being true to the comics and the storylines of the comics, which is why they're bringing in uh you know doomsday and they're bringing in uh uh planet battle planet, right? That's all a massive storyline in the comics, and I think that they're steering back into since you don't have Stanley, you can steer into the stories he wrote and try to be true to that, right? And I think that's kind of what they're doing, and I think that that's what made them successful before.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah, yeah, I I I could see that, you know. Um, I know you and I talked about uh Daredevil Reborn before, but that's kind of what they're doing with that show, too. They're kind of steering into what it was, but also taking it forward in a new way. Um, and it seems like they're kind of doing that in the Marvel cinematic universe as well. That, you know, we kind of had that era of it seemed like they just had like one hit after another, and then obviously it just built and built and built. And you always had that like Stan Lee cameo in every single movie that was just awesome, you know. And then I think in the time after, it's it's like I feel like there maybe been a few flops here and there, or maybe movies that just didn't hit as well as they could have, or even like on the show front. Sometimes on the show, like on the shows, I feel that it almost feels like Disney is sort of like grasping, like they're they're going a little too far in some of these, you know, and and it's like, yeah. I I get it. You're trying to get different demographics. I get it. And you're trying to engage everybody. But then when you try and bring it all together, it's it's very challenging. You know what I mean? It's kind of like you're never going to appeal to everybody, but I feel like they're trying to appeal to everybody, you know?

SPEAKER_04 22:17

Yeah, there was a couple of mistakes, I think, a couple of turns they made that were mistakes, like um casting-wise, obviously, you know my thoughts on Brie Larson as Captain Marvel, um, and her bringing her political beliefs uh public and you know, kind of ruining the character for me. But um they did try to steer in like a girl power kind of a direction for a little while, and I don't know if it was well received because it wasn't necessary, right? There was female, strong female characters in all of the movies, right? Um, you you didn't need to kick men out of it and and try to make this this girl power type. I mean, there was cool parts, you can have cool parts of the movies, like in Avengers Endgame. There was this cool scene where all the female characters were in that one scene and like wool escorter and stuff, and it was just like it's like goosebumps, like that's awesome. They all came together and blah blah blah, right? Yeah, that was awesome, but you don't need to shove it down our throats, right? Like the whole Miss Marvel, the second uh rendition of that movie. I think it was like three three female characters, and all them all the men that were characters in the movies were basically imbeciles and you know couldn't you know just completely incompetent uh in every you know everything. Um and you you didn't need to. There's like I said, there's you don't have to do that because there's strong female leads in every in every Marvel movie that I can think of. You've got Jane Foster who turns into the female version of Thor, right? She gains his power, you've got Black Widow, you've got Miss Marvel, uh in the in the Avengers movies, right? You've got like so there's there's plenty. There's plenty of strong female uh characters. It's not like there was a lack of them.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Yeah. So speaking of speaking of that, I'm thinking about casting. So in the new Spider-Man movie, right, they're bringing back Zendaya as MJ. Um, what do you think about her being cast as MJ? Because you know what's kind of funny with that whole thing is that I think when they originally cast them, I sort of looked at her like, would she really be his girlfriend? Like, come on, like these two don't look like they'd go together at all. But then ironically, in real life, they do go together and they're married. You know?

SPEAKER_04 24:46

Yeah, which probably will end up being a divorce down the road.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

I mean, it's I don't know though. I don't know. You know, didn't you uh did you ever hear where I think it was Tom Holland, maybe you told me this, somebody told me this, where like in between the movies, he was like working at like an Irish pub or something as a bartender. Did you ever hear this?

SPEAKER_04 25:07

No.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Yeah, yeah. So he's kind of a he's kind of an interesting character, you know. So um, you know, I mean, obviously he's playing the role of Peter Parker. That's not necessarily who Tom Holland is. So, but yeah, you know, I did kind of think early on, I thought, I don't know if I would have cast her as MJ, but at the same time, kind of going back to the other uh Spider-Verses, I also didn't really like Kirsten Dunst as an MJ either with Toby McGuire. I didn't really like her as the MJ, I didn't think she was a very good fit um for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

Yeah, and she had a real again, it's another one of those things where the actor brings their personal shit right into into focus. And that was Kirsten Dunst. Uh, I remember they one of the reasons they stopped making the Tobo Toby Maguire one uh versions of Spider-Man, one of the reasons was because she wanted to get paid the same amount of money as Toby Maguire playing Spider-Man. Okay, and she made a big deal about it. She was like on TV talking about how you know she should get paid that much, and it's like, why should he get paid more? Well, the movie's called Spider-Man, not Mary Jane Watson, right? He's the lead character in the movie, right? Yeah, yeah. Um, so that you know, and that's that's the attitude, and I find that it a lot of times, I shouldn't say a lot of times it's it's the female actors, but um, you know, just that's what's coming to the top of my head. It was the same thing. Um she so she wanted that money, she wanted to get paid the same as the lead actor, uh, because she felt she deserved it. And there was another actress. I can't remember. Oh, Brie Larson again. She was she went on like national television and talk or at the awards or whatever. I can't remember the the Oscars. Is that what it is? Yeah, okay. Yeah, could have been yeah, she talked about. I remember watching her, and she was talking about how uh she's proud to be a trailblazer, being the first lead female in an action movie ever. And I was just kind of like, are you smoking something? Like, um go down the list from you can go back to the 80s, the 70s, you could go back and you could name off so many females who played lead roles, Sigourney Weaver for starters in the alien franchise. One of the most successful franchises of its time, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Was a female lead. What about uh what's her name in Tomb Raider? Um, is was that Angelina Jolie or whoever Tomb Raider was, right? Yeah, Angelina Jolie. Yeah, that was an action movie.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

Yeah, there was there's you could go down list, there's so many uh lead females, and it what she said was basically disrespectful to every female who came before her that she was the first ever female lead in an action movie uh for Miss Marvel. And it was just like me, you are uh I don't know, maybe you know, I there you have strong female leads in the same saga, yeah. Basically just backhanded uh what's her name? Uh Black Widow. Yeah, what's her name again? I can't remember her name. Uh Scarlet Johansson, yeah. You basically just bitch slapped her in the face.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah, I mean what yeah, she's been here the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Yeah, so it's like Iron Man 2 or something like that, right? It's yeah, so you get a couple, you know, some of those actors uh when it comes to casting, they they they make that mistake. It's almost like you should put gag orders on these on these imbeciles when they sign contracts. You should put it into the contracts, keep your political beliefs and and stuff like that to yourself, right? Yeah, uh, no one cares. And you know, stop, don't come up here and act like a victim, like you've been suppressed and like like like you just won fight to vote for women or something like that in 2026. Like, what the hell are we talking about?

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Yeah, you know, yeah. That's that that's funny. You know, I I think with her, it's kind of like she just needs to stay in her lane, right?

SPEAKER_04 29:41

Yeah, but you you you have imbeciles on the male side too, don't get me wrong. I mean, from what I was reading, Tom uh Tom Holland and uh what's the guy's name that plays uh Bruce Banner the Hulk.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Oh, um I can't remember his name offhand.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

Um Mark Ruffalo. Yes, apparently those two have an extremely hard time keeping their mouths shut, so they the they actually had to send them fake scripts.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I did hear about this, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

They didn't leak, right? You know, everything that happens. That's really funny. Uh-huh. Yeah, so it's it's not just the women, though, you know, guys, you know, there's there's some bad, but the thing is, those guys are great, they fit into the roles. Yeah, right. And Brie Larson would have fit into Captain Marvel perfectly too. She didn't bring her personal shit into it.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Okay, so so going to Zendaya, um, I've never heard any of her views on uh now I could just be tone-deaf or disconnected from reality, but I've never heard any of her views on anything, truthfully. And um, you know, the the thing with her though is I like her as an actress, I like her as a person. I still don't know if I like her as MJ. Like I think you know, I picture her in like the Dune movies with like the thing in her nose, you know, and and I picture her from euphoria as like the drugged-out high school kid. So it's I have a really hard time imagining her as Peter Parker's girlfriend, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Well, I think it was a risky little game they played with not just casting her, but the version of Mary Jane that they were writing in with her, right? Because even even the the character itself is not your traditional Mary Jane.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

No, no, and and and you know, she's very she's like a tomboy, right? And I don't picture Mary Jane as a tomboy, I picture her more like feminine, you know?

SPEAKER_04 31:56

Yeah, we'll get him, Tiger. That's what she calls him, right? Tiger. Now, in saying that, I can appreciate the wit that she brings to the character for sure. If I if I'm looking at that character that she plays, that that rendition of Mary Jane Watson, it's not even Watson, it's Mary Jane, something else. If I'm looking um in a in a tunnel or in a you know in a through a scope just at her, excluding every other version of Mary Jane that I know. I like the character and I like the person who plays it, right? She's witty, she's funny, um for sure. I I I can appreciate that. But then when you zoom out and you compare her to who Mary Jane Watson is supposed to be, but for me it's not really that big of a deal. That's you know, I don't know, doesn't bother me that much. But I agree with you. It's it's not the traditional Mary Jane Watson uh at all. It's not it's not Toby's Mary Jane.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

No, no, not at all. Like again, I'm going from like a a blonde Mary Jane to like a sort of tomboy New York Mary Jane. It's a couple of things.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

But look at but look at Andrew Garfield's version. It wasn't even it was Gwen's uh Gwen Gwen um oh what the hell was her last name? It was Gwen um that he was in love with, not even Mary Jane in those movies.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

You're talking about Paltro?

SPEAKER_04 33:32

No, no, Gwen is the character's name. Gwen is the character is Gwen. Okay, okay. Threw me off there. Yeah, because Gwen, I can't remember her last name, but Gwen actually is a character in all the Spider-Man stuff, but she's like uh she's just a side character, kind of like Flash Gordon before Flash becomes Venom, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:53

So uh so she is there, she's a character, but for Spider-Man to you know fall in love with her and all that stuff, uh, as opposed to Mary Jane, that was a little different as well.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

So what do you think about in the trailer they showed Spider-Man going up against some ninjas?

SPEAKER_04 34:13

Yeah, I'm not I I think thinking back to the uh the cartoon and stuff like that in the comics, I do think that he had to go through some trials at some point where uh there was almost almost like uh Batman, where if you recall the the first new version, uh uh Yeah, he's in like Tibet or wherever, right? Yeah, in that that clan or whatever that trains him and all that stuff, and then they they come back. It's a similar situation from what I understand from the comics for Spider-Man, where uh he's he gets tested and they he's got you know they come after him. And I I don't know in the movie if they're trying to legit take him out or if it's just a test or whatever the case might be. But um it's kind of like that uh from from the Batman movie.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

So you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of in the Marvel shows from Netflix, they had a lot of ninja type stuff, whether it was with uh the iron fist, I think it was that that plot line had the ninjas, as well as Daredevil had them as well, where he was against, I think they referred to him as the hand, right? But but then in the in the Marvel Cinematic universe, they had the what what was it, Shang Chi or whatever in the rings. That I thought that was a really cool movie, and they never really did anything with it after that. So maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

They are bringing him into uh the Doom, the Avengers Doomsday movie.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

So so they're keeping that character. Uh, another thing that's highly it's has been highly anticipated is uh uh Tom Hardy's rendition of Venom showing up in the Spider-Man movie as well. Now there's no sign of that in the trailer, but again, that doesn't mean it's not gonna happen because I don't know if you saw the last Venom movie, but in the after credits scene, uh him and Venom were watching the news, and Tom Holland Spider-Man, you know, was on was on the TV, and it was that scene where um where Jay Jonah Jameson reveals the identity of Spider-Man, and Venom's like, we know him, right? And and it's like so it's and then they like licks the screen or whatever, and so they the implication is that he's going after Spider-Man, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

That's why it's anticipated that Venom shows up in this movie, but they haven't shown him in this movie. Who knows? Maybe that's for the next Spider-Man movie. Maybe at the end of this Spider-Man movie he shows up, but then you have other characters that uh are I enjoyed, like Craven the Hunter. Did you watch Kraven the Hunter, the movie? No, I don't know that one. Okay, well, Craven the Hunter, he's a pretty significant enemy of Spider-Man, right? You'd I would highly recommend watching it. Rhino is in that movie. Um, so I would uh I would go watch that uh for sure, put on your watch list. Because at the end of it, uh do you mind if I spoil a bit of it for you? I won't be able to do it. Why not? Why not?

SPEAKER_00 37:24

I mean it's Marvel, I'm never gonna keep up with all of it.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Oh go watch it, go watch it. I won't spoil it for you. There's there's characters in there that are significant in the Spider-Man comics and and shows, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

And I'm wondering as well. Because the guy who played you've seen Super Bad?

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Or not uh Kick Ass, I mean, sorry, Kick Ass. Have you seen that movie? The superhero, kid with the green outfit, gets beat up all the time and stuff. The guy who plays Kick Ass, he's also, I think, in uh have you seen Bullet Train with Tom Cruise?

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

You know the guy with the brass electros punches his way back in, the white dude whose brother's black or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:12

That guy, the white guy plays Kraven. I can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:15

He's pretty jacked up now and stuff, but he does a fantastic job playing Kraven, right? Okay, cool. I'm hoping they bring him into the Marvel Unit. Well, that was a Marvel movie, but I'm hoping they bring him into this as well, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

So let's talk about Spider-Man specific bad guys. What do you think about the bad guys for the Spider-Man movies? Because we got we had the Green Goblin, we had what Dr. Octo Octopus, whatever he was with the the tentacle arm things. Who else do we have for the Spider-Man movies?

SPEAKER_04 38:50

Morbius.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Morbius.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

Yeah, you have Scorpion is in this one. Uh they just in the trailer they showed uh Scorpion in this one.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

Um you've got Venom, you've got um Chameleon, you've got uh Craven the Hunter. So it's got a there's a lot to choose from, right? Uh in the first Spider-Man movie, it was uh uh Michael Ke uh uh Michael Keaton. Keaton Keaton Keaton's character. Yeah, he played the Vulture. He played the Vulture, yeah. Okay, okay. Um so so there's a lot, but here here's the thing. Um like a lot of people going back to Daredevil, right? A lot of people have been like, well, the Kingpin has always been a big character in the Spider-Man comics and movies or shows. Really?

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Really, okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

So how do you so they're expecting that character to to go up against Spider-Man? But here is the problem: it's a it's a fine line because there's there's two layers of characters in the Marvel universe and in the comics. You have your neighborhood, they're calling them like the your earth heroes, and then you have your your universe heroes, right? Because it's obviously power scales, right? I mean, so you've got Spider-Man who's kind of a tweener because they started bringing him into the Avengers movies and stuff where he's battling Thanos and you know, all this kind of stuff, but normally that's he's the neighborhood Spider-Man. He battles your kingpins and your rhinos and your your you those are not global threats, right? Like they don't threaten the earth, yeah. They're a regional threat, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Yeah, especially Kingpin is the mayor, right? He's the mayor now.

SPEAKER_04 40:45

Yeah, so it's like how do you have Spider-Man fighting Thanos and then struggling to fight the Kingpin? It's kind of it's hard to do that, right? To make it believable. So I understand why they're not too eager to bring King Kingpin's character in against Spider-Man, because they've already shown Spider-Man to be extremely powerful.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Well, you know, the other thing too, I think, is that Vincent D'Nafrio, the guy that plays Kingpin, I mean, he is a really, really good actor.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Very dark, right? I mean, he he's one of those guys that, you know, I joke that you know it's like he plays a really good serial killer. He may actually be a really good serial killer. I mean, he he plays the role, I mean, he is like a 10 out of 10, you know, and his role as Kingpin is dark, you know.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

So I couldn't imagine putting him against I mean you put him against Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Spider-Man's such like a good guy, he's just like your neighborhood friendly kid. And then Kingpin is like, you know, he's gonna like like he's got you know his nemesis chained up in a dungeon that he beats the hell out of him every day. You know, it's it's like they don't really align in terms of good versus bad. They're on different levels, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 42:07

Well, another thing that I found interesting, speaking of different levels, was they brought um the Punisher into this movie.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Right? That is an interesting thing from the trailer. Now I I can't confirm any of this, but from the trailer, from what I saw, it looked as though at one point that Punisher steps in and probably saves Spider-Man in some capacity, right? Yeah, and tells them you're slipping or something like that, right? Um, because a lot of people were upset by the trailer. I saw a lot of people online upset about how Spider-Man just kind of easily, you know, discards Frank Castle and tells him to go home, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Yeah, yeah. It's like let's see this one in real life, especially when Castle is coming from the battlefield, you know.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

Yeah. But the thing is, is that somebody like Castle is like a Batman type character. You give them time and planning to get ready to battle someone like that, it's probably gonna kick some arse. That's why Batman, given time and planning, can rival Superman, right? Uh, you got to make encryptonite spears and you know, smoke bombs made with kryptonite smoke and you know all kinds of stuff. And that's the kind of character that uh the Punisher is, right? So uh and I love the actor that plays the Punisher from The Walking Dead, yeah. Right? Yeah, uh I haven't watched The Punisher's the show yet, but from what I hear, it's really dark. So I I've been meaning to go watch it.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

Yeah, so so again, yeah, that I mean it's it's kind of from that lineup of like the Daredevil type stuff. And I mean, if you were running a tally, it's like a Rambo movie. Like, what's he up to 300 dead by now? But he's not like a Serial killer, but he's just like capping people left and right. It is like that, you know.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

Yeah, so I do have to go watch uh that. I'm actually just finishing up. I'm on the last season of Suits. So once I'm done, once I'm done that, I'll I'll probably watch The Punisher. But I love I love the character of the Punisher. I love the guy who plays him. So bringing him in finally to the cinematic universe in the movies, I think that's gonna be really good. And I've been doing a lot of reading about how they're also looking at bringing in um I can't remember his name either. He plays uh Daryl on The Walking Dead.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

Okay, I don't know him, but I was just thinking it's John Bernthal is the is the guy playing The Punisher.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

But the guy who plays um hang on, I'm gonna bring his picture up here. Uh because he he's coming in um to play the new version from what I understand of uh Ghost Rider.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Let me see. I'm gonna bring up his name here. Uh Norman Reeds. Norman Reeds. I don't know if you know him. He's in the Boogy Dog Saints as well. Um great actor, great actor, right? Okay, cool. And I think he would suit the uh I think he would suit the character of um of the ghost writer really, really well. Uh he's just that dark kind of guy. Uh see if I could bring it here's here's here's a picture of him. Uh for those watching on YouTube, you'll be able to see for those watch listening on Spotify and stuff. So so that's him. He's gonna play.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Oh, okay. Okay, yeah, I do think I know him.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Yeah, very familiar face, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Yeah, I I know him from a few places, I think. Kind of reminds me of Ned Stark from Game of Thrones. Yeah, yeah. Giving off some Ned Stark vibes.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

So apparently he's gonna play a version. So they're they're bringing the the dark characters together, from what I understand. I can't remember what, but there was actually a comic that went for a while with some of those darker characters: the Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Blade, uh, Red Hulk. I can't remember what they were called. Not uh, not Red Hulk, sorry, Red Hulk was part of the uh I can't remember what they're called. Uh the the latest movie that they did there, uh the the new Avengers.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

The Eternals, is that what you're thinking?

SPEAKER_04 46:44

No. They were like the the the rejects, right? Came together like uh kind of like the boys. Yeah, like it was uh the the new guy, like the guy who plays Captain America now, like the white dude, not not uh like in the show, right? Uh who doesn't actually have serum powers, he just took on the mantle of Captain America. Uh you had uh the Winter Swords. Are you talking about the Thunderbolts? Thunderbolts, yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Yeah, okay. Okay, yeah. I like that movie. That was a great movie. They are rejects.

SPEAKER_04 47:16

Yeah, that was a good movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:19

But uh apparently they're doing something similar, but a darker version. Like I said, they're having these darker characters, Ghost Rider, Blade, uh, you know, stuff like that, are going to be uh are gonna be in this movie, kind of the the darker stuff.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

So isn't it funny how you know Blade they did multiple movies of you usually most of these movies they do multiple movies, but I feel like Ghost Rider, did they only do one and they just kind of forgot about them?

SPEAKER_04 47:47

They did two. They did two? Second one was worse than the first one.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

So were they both Nick Cage?

SPEAKER_04 47:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Huh.

SPEAKER_04 47:55

Yeah, that's it. Was so good you forgot they made a second one.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

So I I I guess you can't, you know, hit them all out of the park. I did like him as Dracula, I gotta admit.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

Uh here's the thing. I don't blame that on Nicolas Cage. I think it was not a good time to make a movie, to make that movie, right? I would like to see them bring his version of Ghostwriter back as well in the multiverse. That would be cool. Because now, I mean, they're spending a lot more on special effects, for example, and stuff like that. Second Ghost Rider movie was awful because of the special effects, and like if you don't have it, you shouldn't make it.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

Yeah, don't do it right or don't do it. Don't half-ass the special effects and go Ghost Rider, right? Especially a character like Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider. Yeah. Like, probably requires a lot more special effects. It's probably difficult to have you know the a skeleton guy walking around uh with his with his hands and his head on fire, right? It's probably pretty complicated even for special effects to kind of do that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

You know what would be funny if they did a movie where they brought him in as ghostwriter, but then they also brought him in as Spider-Man Noir in the same movie. That'd be really funny.

SPEAKER_04 49:19

Well, I mean, a lot of people are expecting them to bring in uh to have Robert Downer Jr. playing Doom, but a lot of people are thinking they might go ahead and bring him back as Iron Man in that movie as well.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Boy, that'd be weird.

unknown 49:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

It would be, but we'll we'll have to see what happens, right? Because like that, a lot of people didn't realize that. I think I talked to you about it before. It's like yes, this Avengers movie's coming. It's the first one where there's no Iron Man, though. There's no Iron Man in this movie. Yeah, but you kind of it's good that you forget that there's no Iron Man because you know you want the movie to still be good. You don't want to be sitting there missing to uh you know missing uh Iron Man. But I think it'll go over well either way. I'm excited because we're back, we're back with the Marvel cinematic universe where anything and everything is possible again, and I think there's gonna be a lot of shock value. I think there's gonna be that, I think we are gonna get that that moment. Like when I was in theaters and watched Avengers Endgame, and that scene opens up where on your left and all the portals open up, and like everybody comes out, right? Yeah, bumps and tears, man. Right? Like everybody gets up and screaming. I think we have that coming again. Uh, I think we're getting back to that, and I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Yeah, I th I think so too. You know, um, it's it's funny how with with a lot of these things like this, you know, it's like we just need good writing, a good story. You have some nostalgia, you maybe pass the torch a little bit, you introduce somebody new, and you kind of like check all the boxes of like a good movie, you know, and they're definitely capable of doing it. I mean, if anybody is, it's Marvel, right? And I'm how long have we waited for this Spider-Man movie? I feel like the last one was gosh, a long time ago.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

Yeah, it was uh they had um Jake Gyllenhaal playing Mysterio. That was a few years ago. Yeah, I hope they bring him back too. I I am a big Jake Gyllenhaal fan. I love all of his movies. Yes, I love his movies, I think he's a phenomenal actor. Brothers, right? Yeah, like Mountain. Yeah, but yeah, back mountain. Yeah, if you can get past the sex scenes, you're you're good, right?

SPEAKER_00 51:45

No, uh you know, with him, I remember he did um Bear Grylls show. Did you ever see Bear Girls' show? Like it was like Bear Grills Wild Man or whatever. And he would every episode he'd have a celebrity, and one of the episodes it was Jake Gyllenhaal. And I don't know if they were in Africa or somewhere, somewhere random in Europe. I don't know. They're in the middle of nowhere, there's like mountain, like cliff type things, and there's a rope line going from one peak to another, and the distance between, I mean, it it was like 200 yards. And Bear Grails is like, we're crossing it. And Jake Joan all was like, uh, he was like, he's like, yep, we're going over it. And he's like, uh, okay, um he's like, all right, I guess uh, I guess this is just one of those moments, right? I just have to go for it. And he's like, yep. He's like, follow my lead, I'll show you what to do. And he kind of like like tucks it one of his legs behind him. So he's sort of like going across the rope pulling himself almost like a snake. And and sure enough, Jake Gillenhall did it. I I mean, I don't think he was roped into that thing. I mean, it was just like go, and it's like if you if you fell off of that, I mean it's like certain death. And he actually did it, you know, like it was it was pretty wild.

SPEAKER_04 53:05

I mean, most people, I know it's a little off topic, but most people didn't a lot of people didn't like Roadhouse. I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. And I was watching uh an interview with uh Connor McGregor. Okay, and he said, like he was because a lot of people are like, Oh, what why would an MMA fighter take a role and go in there and fight an actor and you know blah blah blah. And uh Connor McGregor said, in that like in that last scene in the movie where they're fighting, have you seen Roadhouse? No, no, well, in the last scene where they're fighting, he's like, We were kicking the shit out of each other for real. Like he was giving it as good as he was getting it. He said, Okay, he says, he says, Jake Gillenall is no joke, man.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

Don't you know? Well, you know, he did that movie at one point, I think it was called uh Southpaw, where he was like a boxer, and he was legit. I mean, he was like a real boxer, you know.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Yeah, there's a lot of actors out there that people don't realize that they're they're like serious, like I watched um um what's that what's that podcast? Uh why can't I think of anyone's name to Seth Ro Seth Seth Rogan? Yeah, and he talked about Kevin James because Kevin James did that MMA movie comedy, uh Here Comes the Pain.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

And um he said he said about Kevin James, he said, he's no joke, like he could wreck ass, right? And that's coming from somebody like like uh like him, right? Yeah, yeah. So uh Joe Joe Rogan, not Seth Rogan, Joe Rogan. That's coming from someone like Joe Rogan, right? Who in himself could wreck ass and and has been around, spent most of his career around guys in the UFC who can wreck ass. So if anyone knows whether a guy's legit or not, it would be him. Yeah, he's like, but you wouldn't think that when you look at Kevin James, right, right. But apparently he's an accomplished MMA fighter.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

So you know, um, speaking of actors like that, I don't know if you've seen the movie, I think it was called The Iron Claw, I think is what it was, with Zach Efron, where he's one of the uh one of the wrestling brothers. Yeah, he'd be pretty cool to bring into Marvel at some point because he he played a hell of a wrestler. I mean, my god, I was looking at him like, wow, like he looks totally different, you know.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

Yeah, he was on uh Baywatch with The Rock as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can get jacked for sure, right?

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Yeah, he I think he'd be worthy of it. You know, there's a few people out there that they they probably could bring into Marvel and to play, you know, some of these roles. And I mean, you know, at the end of the day, like you and I are always talking about this, like I think sometimes the actors sort of get they they get bored with the role or they get bored with the story or whatever. But then the reality is is like that's like the peak of your career. I mean, take it for what it's worth. I mean, keep playing the character. I mean, come on, you know, even if it's in a limited way or cameos, I mean, you can keep doing it. Yeah, yeah, like I almost don't understand like why they why they ended uh like Captain America. Um can't think of his name, but why why like he stopped, you know, and and Robert Downey kind of stopped at the same time, like, yeah, they're just sort of done. But I always feel like they could have kept them going, you know.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

They actually uh they actually brought him back. He's playing Captain America again in yeah, Chris uh Chris Evans.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

Chris Evans, yes, yeah. I mean he was excellent at Captain America.

SPEAKER_04 56:41

Yeah. I think, excuse me. I think I think what what what happened was I I think that you saw a generation of actors who who built up the Marvel Cinematic Universe were trying to pass the torch, and I just don't think it went, it it didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Yeah, like there wasn't a good handoff, or they tried to do too many at once, and I think what was weird about it was you know, like I feel like Bucky's the character that doesn't die, that just kind of keeps coming back again and again and again, and it's like he's in another movie, but you know, Chris Evans was really the star of that, and he just sort of like gone, you know.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Yeah, I I think that what happened was as actors, I think that those guys probably just wanted a break.

unknown 57:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:30

Because I mean they were making they those two were making Marvel movies, and it wasn't like specifically Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. were were these characters, and they were in every Avengers movie, they were doing cameos in in the other movies, uh, they were doing their own movies, you know, their own Iron Man and Captain America movies. So there was it was a lot of work, right, for them, and the schedule is probably pretty full. So I think that probably what happened is they probably just wanted to slow down for a little while, and then now that they've had that break, it's like, okay, you know what? I missed this, let's go, right?

SPEAKER_00 58:09

That could be true. That could be true, you know. Like usually, you know, those road kind of jobs are great when you're young, but then you have that point in your life that you want to have a family, you have kids, you just can't be away all the time filming in some exotic location, you know.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

Yeah, so it's it's nice to see them all coming back, but uh Chris at Crick, uh Chris Hemsworth. He just that guy's got no no no quit in him. He's bringing him back. I love him, keep bringing him back, him fat Thor.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Loved it, you know. He's fantastic, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:45

He's got this sense of humor too, right? Where it's it's like that that scene in uh I think it was the last Thor movie that's like a meme now where um what's his name? Uh ah, the guy who plays um uh the leader of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt? Chris Pratt is like, you know, he's explaining to him, yeah, you know, like you gotta find the people who love you and stuff like that. And you know, he's Chris Pratt's trying to look at uh the crew, and Thor's just like this, getting in his block. Me? Yeah. He's a great character, he plays it well, and he's a young dude. He's you know he's in fantastic shape, and uh I hope he doesn't stop. I really hope he continues to come back as Thor, even if they don't do four movies individually anymore, but keep bringing him back in the Avengers movies kind of thing, right? That would be awesome. Don't ever kill his character off. I think he's amazing, I think he's fantastic as the kids.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

So, what do you think of Tom Holland? Do you think he just needed a break between Spider-Man movies? Or do you think what what do you think happened there that they took such a long time between movies?

SPEAKER_04 59:57

Well, they were going in another direction. They like the Loki series, for example, was a pivot. Yeah, right, where they were they were pivoting to a king, right? And there wasn't really in the storyline, there wasn't really like a spot for the Spider-Man movies, I think, at that time. They were trying to sh, you know, lay the groundwork for a long saga of storyline with the Kang, Conqueror Kang, right? And then and and like Loki, for example, was a great show, and it set up that that that whole platform so well, and then they just flushed it down the toilet because one guy decided to what uh commit domestic violence or whatever, whatever the hell it was. Yeah, and then they just pivoted off the whole thing. Luckily, they're able to salvage what happened in Loki. Uh, and that which I keep telling you, before you watch Doomsday, you need to go watch Loki because it's it's key to what's happening in I gotta see season two.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

I saw season one, but season two I have not seen.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

Yeah, season two is like the a big one. So I might go back and watch it again. Loki was what do you think of season one?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

Season one I had a hard time with, I gotta be honest. Um, you know, out of the out of the Marvel shows, my favorite one was Hawkeye. I really liked Hawkeye. I thought it was easy to follow. Everything. Loki, there were points I was just sort of like nodding off, and I'd have to like ask my wife, like, what the hell is going on? Like, I don't understand, and the timekeepers, and where are we, and what are we doing here? You know, and and my son would be like, You're just not paying attention, like, you know, like he's he's all official, you know. And I I was just like, I I don't know, you know. So I know it had finally ended, and I was just kind of like, Well, that was that was out there, and then I I haven't seen uh season two yet, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

But um season two's good and it's it sets up what's happening moving forward. So uh like the the time universe.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Yeah, yeah. What what did you think of the moon knight? Are they still doing anything with that or they just cancel it?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:13

Well, they they had announced when they released Moon Knight that it was completely separate from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and nothing that happens in that show is going to be a part of uh the Marvel movie, Marvel movie storyline. Yeah, they said it when it came out, so I watched like one or two episodes, and for what it was, I was like, it's not bad, but I couldn't uh I like you just said, I if it wasn't continuing a storyline, I was just like, I don't really care about this, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

Yeah, yeah, okay. All right. Are you gonna say something about the timekeepers?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

Well, the timekeepers, yeah, they play a massive role in what's happening next in in in all of the Marvel movies. It's a very important uh plot point. So and it all comes together or begins with Loki season two.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

So okay. Well, you heard it here, folks. Loki season two is a must. If you haven't seen it, you gotta watch it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:12

It might even affect the Spider-Man movie. There might be parts of it that are you know that are taking effect in there, so who knows? So but they're setting the stage for uh Battle Planet and Doomsday, and so I I did like Owen Wilson in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

I really liked um him. I thought he was great.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Yeah, he's a funny guy too. Yeah, I'm surprised they gave him such a such a role, but whatever, it is what it is. He was he was great in it, he did a good job, so yeah. And just how he, you know, his quirkiness as a character softens Loki. Which is great, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

So uh okay, so to sum up today's episode on Spider-Man, what do you think's going down in this movie and where are they going with it?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

I think honestly, I think that there's a lot that's gonna happen in this movie and that's setting up key plot points moving forward that are not in the trailer. I think they're gonna take people by surprise with a lot of stuff, and you're gonna get a shock factor in this movie. That's what I truly believe.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

You know, I I I could see that. And and I feel like Spider-Man popularity-wise has got to be near the top for all of their different titles. So you know they're gonna throw some curveballs in this movie that we're all gonna go, oh, no one can believe it, you know. I could see that coming, especially building up to Doomsday, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:45

I think at the end of this movie, and this is just my best guess, I think that they're gonna set up the next Spider-Man movie, Spider-Man versus Venom. I think they're gonna set that up at the end of this movie. I think Venom's gonna show up, whether it's right at the end of the movie or in the after credit scenes or something like that, and that's gonna segue into the next Spider-Man movie, what, two years down the road, whatever, whenever they release it, right? Because Tom Holland did sign on for three more, I think three more Spider-Man movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

After he did the third one. So this is just the fourth one coming out now. It's just two more Spider-Man movies he's playing in um after this one, plus he's gonna play Spider-Man in the Avengers movies, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Do you do you think they're gonna try and sort of like right the wrong of the of the plot that now Mary Jane doesn't know him, his friend doesn't know him? Do you think they're gonna try and fix that or are they just gonna let this thing go and see where it see where it hap happens to go from there?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:46

Not in this movie. I do think that they will correct that at some point, but not in this movie. I think this movie, I think they did that on purpose. One of the reasons they did it was so that they could hold. In on his character by himself for a while and get the Scooby Squad out of there. I think that again that the naturation of his character going from boy to man, they I think they want that to be the focus, and you can't have that while he's acting like a kid with Ned, right? And I think that also Ned is segueing into becoming the Hobgoblin. Oh. Right? Uh in the in the last Spider-Man movie. Because in in the comics, that's who the Hobgoblin is, Spider-Man's former best friend, Ned.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:38

Right? Okay. And there were some Easter eggs in the last Spider-Man movie. Um, because Toby Maguire talks about how his best friend became the Green Goblin. And um the Hobgoblin actually kind of comes to fruition because of the Green Goblin, right? He, if you notice, they're very similar characters. He flies around on his thing and shoots the bomb, the pumpkin bombs, and stuff like that. Um and Ned was actually when Toby McGuire's character was explaining this to Ned, Ned was actually wearing the Hobgoblin's colors in his clothes. And then he turns to Tom Holland Spider-Man and says, Don't worry, I'll never turn evil and become your enemy. But he doesn't know who Tom Holland is who Peter Parker is anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

Right, right. And it that kind of reminds me, this this might just be a sidebar tangent, but did you ever see? I think it was like the green arrow. Was that part of Marvel?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:42

No, that's uh uh DC. He was friends with that DC?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

Okay, yeah, okay, never mind then. Scratch that. What we're gonna edit that out of the episode. Sorry, Marvel people. We didn't we didn't talk about DC. The other comic brand that shall not be named. Sauron. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

Um there was uh one more little key Easter egg was that uh in the comics, uh, one of the things that gave away Ned as the Hobgoblin was that he had uh minor sorcery powers like um like Doctor Strange. And they introduced that in the last Spider-Man movie where uh Ned actually uses the ring to open portals, uh Doctor Strange's ring. You have to have uh latent abilities to do that from his family, right? So uh it all kind of is leading to Ned turning into the Hobgoblin moving forward as well. Okay, then so I honestly, and hey, this is just something that just came to me, okay? I'm not saying I read this anywhere, it just came to me. One theory I have, as of five minutes ago, is that um Ned and Mary Jane are close friends. Peter Parker's not part of the picture, right? They're so happy, hanging out. I think my theory, maybe Ned is in love with her, but they kill her off, which sends him into becoming the hobgoblin.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:31

Whoa, that's kind of dark. Whoa. I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, right, really stirring the pot on that one. That one might have it would make sense, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:51

I mean, it could be uh it could be a factor. So and I mean throughout the movie, they in the trailer they showed how she was uh making out with or or you know having some sort of a romantic engagement with Flash. And maybe that's pushing Ned over the edge as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

Hmm. Okay, I don't know. We got some drama bubbling under the surface, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:18

Lot of lot of ways they could they could cause Ned to because how else is Ned going to get pushed over that edge, yeah. Without some sort of monumental loss, because as a whole, his character is is not a bad person, right? You are who you are, whether you know Peter or not, he was a good, wholesome human being, right? Right, and just because Peter's not in his life, I don't think is enough for him to be go from being a good dude to a psycho, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:53

Yeah, yeah, something has to happen there. But remember with the Green Goblin, wasn't it something with like the mask or something that he put on, and then he'd hear the voices?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:02

Yeah, there was a split personality after breathing in the the gas that gave him his William Defoe, he's another one of those guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

You're like, wow, he plays a really great insane character. And it's like maybe he's kind of an insane character.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:21

Yeah, I agree with that. Well, I guess we'll find out because the movie comes out July 31st. I'm excited about it. I'm kind of hoping they drop one more trailer, uh, because I'd like to see that. But uh there's a lot in it, there's there's a lot to unpack, and I'm looking forward to unpacking more Marvel movies moving forward. It's a shame that Doomsday is not coming out until like December.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:49

But we could have a look at some of the trailers as they come out and talk about those for sure. But let us know, guys, uh, if you want us to talk clearly just by views and downloads, uh, the Marvel, the last Marvel uh podcast we did was by far and away the most popular.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:08

So well, it you know, truthfully, I think uh something that you and I both probably need to watch is uh Daredevil Born Again. And I already saw season one, and I don't know if season two is still being released. Uh I think I saw the first episode or two of season two, and it was excellent again. And so that's one that we probably need to dedicate like a whole hour to because that that show's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:34

Well, why don't we do this? Uh I because I haven't watched I I watched like the first episode a while back, so I'd have to even re-watch the first episode. There's something about him and some other dude fighting at a bar and they end up on the roof or something, it was pretty gory and yeah, pretty cool action scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:50

That was a good one.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:50

But uh yeah, so I gotta get back into that and uh I'll I'll watch that again. So why don't I watch that and then maybe we'll start to unpack the uh the Daredevil series.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:01

Okay, that that would be that would be awesome. I gotta I gotta admit, out of all the Marvel stuff that they've put out, I honestly think Daredevil is probably my favorite series of all of them.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:12

See, you're putting it up on a pedestal for me now, and I've gotta see it now.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:17

It's good. It it's it's gritty, it's dark. I mean, there's I remember in the in the original ones that were on Netflix, I mean, there were certain episodes I was like, how are they gonna top this? And then it would just be this insane episode, and I was like, what? I just couldn't believe it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:36

All right, well, yeah, I'm I'll watch it. I'll watch as many episodes as I can between uh now and Sunday, and uh we'll we'll dig into it a little bit. Yeah, don't spoil anything for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:47

Okay, well not no spoilers. Don't tell me anything about Loki season two, nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:54

All right, guys, this concludes our broadcast day. We will be back on Sunday. We'll be talking some Daredevil uh born again. So hopefully you guys like the Marvel stuff. Let us know if you want more Marvel stuff. If there's a specific Marvel movie or show you want us to unpack, let us know. And we will most certainly do that. But for now, we'll see you guys in the next one.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:18

God bless next time. Yep, shift out.