Paradigm Shift Podcast: Latest Iran & U.S Updates

Rob & Jesse Break Down The Latest Updates From Iran & How AI Is Shaping The Future In A Scary Way

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

All right, guys, welcome back to the paradigm shift. I am, of course, Big Rob back with Jesse. What's going on, buddy?

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Hey, hey, hey, ready to go. It's a uh fantastic, what is it, Thursday? I guess normally we do Wednesdays. It's fantastic Thursday. And I'm ready to talk a little uh Iran, right? A little Iran. We got some controversy here.

SPEAKER_05 0:23

Yeah, more more drama, more updates, more um, more of a roller coaster. And I said that from the beginning, as like from the first time a few months ago when Trump said that uh what did they have, two weeks or something like that? Remember when he gave them the the initial two weeks? I said, guys, this is gonna be a roller coaster up and down, up and down, right? And sure enough, since then, almost every day it's been Trump will tweet something out and then he tweets out the exact opposite the next day, and then he tweets out the exact opposite of that the next day, and it's just been like that the whole time, right? Uh so who who really knows what's actually going on? And I think we briefly touched on this last time, but uh I heard I heard a theory and it made a lot of sense to me. Now we're hearing one thing from the states, and then we hear the exact opposite from Iran, and vice versa. Well, who's the middleman? Pakistan. So the running joke, so to speak, right? With a with a with a layer of truth to possible truth to it is what if I run what if uh Pakistan is like the one in the middle that doesn't quite understand what's going on? Because this is weird, right? What if pocket what if the states is saying to Pakistan uh no, we don't like this, and then they're they're going over to um Iran and saying, Yep, they like it, and fight, right? Because like these wires are just so cross. I don't know. It's it's a funny little limerick of a possibility, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Yeah, that's that that's very funny to have them in the middle. I I wasn't aware of that, but I could I could totally see that. I mean, you know, you you you think about like the telephone game, right? And going back and forth, and they hear one side and they go, Yeah, that's not gonna go over. And they go over and they're like, so so let's let's maybe consider this angle, and they're like, I'm not doing that, and they're like, Yep, thumbs up, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:22

Yeah, that's that's kind of what I what could be happening here because it it really can't be this like how are you this disconnected on everything? Like every day, both sides are saying the exact opposite. You know, Trump says, Yeah, things are going awesome, and then Iran comes out later that even says, Things suck, and vice versa, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Yeah, yeah. Well, I you know, I think part of it is that Trump doesn't know what's going on, truthfully. I think he's kind of like Putin, where the people around him don't tell him the truth, they all just kind of kiss his ass every single meeting about how great he is and he's the best president they've ever known. And Marco's over there going, I've never seen him fall asleep while he's asleep right next to him. You know. So they're not telling him the truth, you know, they're not telling him uh anything for for actually what it is because he can't make up a fucking coherent decision, anyways. He's he's a complete lost cause right now. I mean, if yeah okay, so think think about like uh if he was operating like that at any business you've ever worked at your entire life, if there was a guy who was nearly 80 years old operating like that, you'd be like, we're gonna have to like kind of put him, put it just give him a task, you know. It's it's like the uh I don't know if do you guys have Sam's Club in Canada?

SPEAKER_05 3:44

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Okay, so it's like a big box store, it's from Walmart Walmart. Um Costco, what's that? Like Costco? Yeah, same deal, same deal, yeah, same thing. And so they would always have a door greeter, right? And it was usually like the senior guy, and you know, he uh welcome to Sam's, you know. You come in, and then when you're leaving, he's like, All right, let me look at your receipt. And he he did he read anything? No, he just like wipes the marker on it, you know, like like this is the position that Trump's qualified for right now, is that, you know, but instead we're keeping him in the presidency.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

Apparently that's the that's the running standard for presidents or the last two of them.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Oh god, yeah, they're both they're both awful.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

Maybe, yeah, maybe we should go for a younger president next time.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

You would think, you know, it's funny you say that. I have said this a couple of times, but you know Trump is too old when he is older than Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was the president like 30 years ago, and he and he hung it up. He hung it up like 30 years ago. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05 4:55

He hung it up because he got a blowjob, though, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yeah, yeah, that I mean, obviously there was some fallout there.

SPEAKER_05 5:03

You remember you remember when the most controversial thing going on was the president getting a blowjob?

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Yeah, I meant those days.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

You know, I think that was right around the time of the OJ trial, too. I think those were probably the two most prominent things at that point.

SPEAKER_05 5:23

Yeah, neither one of those things would make the front page these days.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

No. No, no. You know, uh, I don't know if you followed uh did you follow Trump going to the uh Knicks game for game three?

SPEAKER_05 5:35

I heard a lot about it. They had to people had to arrive a few hours early because of it. They were shut, yeah. I I heard about that inconvenience, but I didn't hear anything else about it. Well, what's the what's going on there?

SPEAKER_01 5:48

So for whatever reason, he decided he wanted to go to this game, right? And so it yeah, like when the president's there, I mean, everything stops, right? Like, if you've ever been at the airport and Air Force One is there, every plane is like, uh, hey folks, sorry, we can't do anything. Air Force One just pulled in. We'll be sitting here for an hour and 15 minutes. And everybody on the plane's like, you gotta be kidding me, really? Like, we can't do anything. Like, we can't do anything until he either comes or goes. And so, same deal with like the Knicks game, right? I mean, like this the security, everything around him to get him to that game, right? And so, leading up to it, New York. Um, you know, new New York has mom Donnie as the mayor, who's like, you know, funding all these social programs and shit, which weirdly enough, mom Donnie somehow uh charmed Trump when he visited him, and like they're like friends somehow, which is just kind of bonkers. But anyway, Trump goes to the game, they do the national anthem, he's like booed mercilessly through the entire national anthem. Wow, so he's booed the whole time. Then he sits down and then they catch him on camera later. He's asleep at the game. Of course, he's he's completely passed out, and they're and they were saying that this is the most expensive uh you know sporting event for like a president ever, so he could go and fall asleep at the damn event.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

You know, taxpayer money, well, well spent.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yeah, he he's asleep. And and and so, you know, kind of kind of going back to this whole Iran thing. So there's starting to be clips coming out of like him from like, you know, it's like a hundred days ago. You know, he's like, Oh yeah, we obliterated them, they're done, right? Following day, yep, they got nothing. Following day, there's nothing there. You know, we've won everything, you know. A week later, yep, we're still winning. And and like it, it slowly kind of like degrades. It's like a month later, he's like, Well, you know, it's it's it's going on. We're gonna wrap it up any day now. You know, it's like two months later. Well, you know, I I I never said it would be a month, you know. It's like three months later, he's like, he's like, hey, we're right around the corner. It's it's literally right there. And you know, he keeps kind of moving the goalposts, right? And and and he's doing it on Iran, just like um he got a really bad sound bite um just the other day. I don't know if it was yesterday or to or today, where he was talking about inflation, right? And uh they're drilling him on it, and they're like, Mr. President, like, what do you think of the inflation? And he's heard it so many times now. He's like, I love inflation. The inflation because of Iran, I love it. And everybody's like, uh, what? Like, you realize you just lost the midterms when you said you love inflation because you're screwing literally everyone who lives here. You know, was he was he just not understanding pay paying attention to the question? Or I don't know. I don't know. In anybody with a brain would never say, I love inflation. Wow, what the hell, man? I don't know, man. I don't know. And and so again, who's running the war, right? And and maybe this is part of the problem, also, right? Who's running the war? So if you look at it from the US side, it's Heg Seth, right? And Heg Seth has like little man, little dick syndrome that he never amounted to shit in the military, but now he's over all these like career generals and like fat shaming them, right? So he he wants to blow him, blow up and bomb like every every uh elementary school he can, you know. And then on the other side, on the Iranian side, like I mean, they're not saints either, right? By any stretch of the imagination. But, you know, from that early US bombing, it's like supposedly they bombed, they they killed the leader, the Ayatollah. His son supposedly took over. Then it came out that his son supposedly lost a leg and he was like badly injured, and he's in hiding somewhere, no one knows where. And to this date, like I don't know if anyone really knows like who's in charge. Like it it kind of seems like it's their military, and and at the same time, like they keep trolling him, you know, with the Lego videos and whatever. But but the crazy thing is there's like a complete disconnect between what the US is doing and what Trump is saying, you know.

SPEAKER_05 10:26

So do you think maybe one of the reasons that Trump keeps coming up and saying, you know, things are going good and it turns out they're not going good, and vice versa, is because nobody really knows who's in charge over there? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Yeah. Yeah, truthfully. I I mean, if you think about it, right, like if you're Iranian and you're in a position of power, and you come out publicly and put the flag down, a fucking bomb is gonna drop right on your head and you're out, right? And then next man up, who's that? So I think for Iran, like no one is really claiming, like as far as I'm aware, I don't I don't think anybody's claiming, like, hey, it's me, and here's where I'm at, you know, like let's have a discussion. Like, I don't I don't see that, you know.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

Well, obvious, yeah, it would be obvious if the states is watching because what they're gonna want is someone that is controllable, right? Someone they can manipulate or control. And if someone steps forward that they feel that the US feels they can't manipulate or control, it's more of a wild card, like you just said, what's for dinner? Right? Missiles, missiles, yes. So yeah. So I would agree with you there. So I was looking up the latest uh updates in terms of Iran. So the first one I have here is U.S. strikes uh an end Iranian retaliation following the report uh Downing a U.S. Army Apache helicopter near the Strait of Harmuz. Pilots were rescued and uninjured, apparently, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 12:16

Uh U.S. Central Command conducted sounds like Star Star Trek. Uh conducted self-defense strikes on US agree. I'm I've never heard it referred to as that US Central Command from the United Federation of Planets. Yeah, sending the Enterprise Photon missiles away. Uh so they they did self-defense strikes on Iranian military targets, including yeah, including surveillance capabilities, communication systems, and air defense sites. Uh, these involved precision um attacks, marine and naval assets, including Tomahawk cruise missiles from the USS Michael Murphy. I don't understand why they have to go and explain exactly which weapon they use, like which missile exactly they use to bomb. I've never understood why that's relevant. Why to me that's too much information, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yes and no. You know, I I think the reason why is first of all, the journalism in the US would find out anyways, whatever it is. But I think more importantly, there's the these missiles aren't infinite, there's a finite amount of them, and there's a specific cost, right? Like this is one of the things that came out early on was that Iran has these cheap drones that cost 40 grand a drone, and we're firing tomahawk missiles that are four million dollars a pop. Who's gonna run out first? You know, I mean the the the whole battlefield has has changed dramatically. Like, even um in I want to say it was either yesterday or today, uh, it it's come out in the world news that Ukraine said they have now used AI-powered drones that have killed Russians on the battlefield.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Yes. Like like this is like full-blown Terminator. Like they've actually done this already.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

You know, full water.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Yeah, yeah. And and so, you know, the US is still there there's definitely some parallels between the US and Russia that, you know, like Russia, I always felt like is just this imperialist shithead country that sort of wants to bump its chest against all of his neighbors, you know, bump the chest, kind of knock them out of the way, and let them know they're they're not quite as strong or as powerful, you know. Like that's what they do, right? And and all their surrounding neighbors, they invade them at some point, right? Russia does this. And the US claims to be, or at least used to be like the good cop, right? Or at least sold the US populace that we're the good cop, even though I don't think we are. And and and so what's what's happening now is sort of the same thing in a way. It's like this weird imperialist. Um, I can do whatever I want, so I'm just gonna do it, you know. Uh, yeah, you're running drug boats, so I'm just gonna blow them up. What if it's not a drug boat and you just fucking blew up some civilians? You know, hey, whatever, right?

unknown 15:46

Right?

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Hey, one more bath a thousand. Yeah, hey. Whoops, you know, who's gonna hold me accountable? The answer, no one. No one's held Heg Seth accountable. Uh war crimes, Heg Seth, right? Um, you know, they go into Venezuela in the middle of the night, they uh completely make up whatever charge or whatever reason to kidnap Maduro, right? Is he a thorn in their side? Yes. But if you're a part of the UN, you can't just like go in and kidnap a leader of another country and makes make up some reason why you're charging him, right? And so this thing with Iran, you know, Trump round one, uh he dropped a bomb that killed an Iranian general that was like their big general, right? Like the guy that they they really liked for whatever reason. I'm sure he was a complete piece of shit, right? Um, but Trump dropped the bomb on him, killed him. Iran retaliated and actually tried to fire a missile and blew up a commercial airline or 300 people dead because Trump killed that guy, right? But in Trump's view, he doesn't give a fuck about 300 people whatsoever. And he just sees as I just do whatever I want, just like Russia, you know, I just do whatever I want. And I bump my chest and you know, and we're we're gonna bump Iran, and you know, we uh he I I think he got a little bit embarrassed when they dropped the the quote bunker buster, and it no one's ever verified if it actually did what they said it was supposed to, right? Did did it end the nuclear program? No one knows. Is the supposedly enriched or uranium there? Yes, somewhere. Um, do we know where? No. Um, so now he did this thing, and just like Russia, he's kind of learning the hard way that it's like the battlefield's changed. Um it's just weird, you know. There's a lot of very strong similarities between what Russia is doing with Ukraine and what the US is doing with Iran. Now, granted, I think Ukraine was a good country, and Iran kind of kind of mixed, you know. Like I think the people in general are good, yes, but the government definitely does some oddball nefarious shit, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

Well, here's here's something that really I I think is a red flag in all of this, and that is like the the rules of war. You have to have rules of war, right? Period. You have to. Yep. Otherwise, we know how bad things can get. In saying that apparently we have a ceasefire. Well, the US has a ceasefire with Iran right now, right? While they're negotiating. Is that not the current status of the situation?

SPEAKER_01 18:37

I don't think that's true. No, no, I don't think there's a ceasefire.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

So they're so they're negotiating but still fighting.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

This is usually how those things go. I mean, it's not just this conflict. Most of them, you know, they'll say there's a ceasefire. I don't know if there's entirely a ceasefire.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

Because I just don't see how it's proactive to be negotiating peace and still attacking each other at the same time. Uh, it's it kind of seems counterproductive to me, right? Yeah, yeah. Like how how would how do you come back as a US representative to the negotiating table the day after uh Ira Iranian you know people shoot down uh US Apache helicopter? How do you come back to the table, look at the other side and and think that they're negotiating in good faith?

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is the problem with like Israel and Palestine, right? Or not Palestine, but uh Hezbollah, right? It's it's the same deal. Um you know, in this scenario, you have this supposed helicopter that was shot down, and then I don't know if you've seen there's a couple clips on X right now of uh a building that's on fire in in Iran, and it's some sort of big spire-looking thing, and I mean it that thing's burning down to the ground. And it uh is that a military target? I don't I don't know, it doesn't really look like it, you know, like most of the things they've hit. Um yeah, I I don't know, it's hard to say, you know. I I think the US is endlessly lying right now, and I think Iran is endlessly trolling, and they never told the truth to begin with anyway. So who's who's telling the truth? I I don't know. You know, what I do know is that this is kind of funny. Like on the socials, everybody's like they're always waiting for it like Sunday night. That you know, it's like bad news drops, you know, Monday, Monday's coming. Here, here it comes. Let's wreck the market again. Um, there's a really funny uh uh clip I saw where somebody took, you know, when you have like the whole market spread and it's all either either all green or it's all red, the chart, right? And then they overlaid this lady in front of it. She's dancing forward and backward and forward and back, and it's going green, red. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Yeah, I've seen that that gif. Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Yeah, and they're like, yeah, yeah, this is Trump in the market. Green, red, green, red. And it's like, God.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

Yeah, like I said before, man, we could very well see um uh an Afghanistan situation here where we're we're we're dealing with this for a decade or two.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

When the Afghanistan thing started, was anybody sitting there going, well, this is gonna take about two day two decades to figure out? Of course not. Everyone was expecting this to be a quick thing, we'll get in there. Same type of a scenario where they're like, well, I mean, if the US wanted to, they could just go in there and just dominate and clean it up and blah blah blah blah. And not so much, right? You people don't realize you have to be a lot more surgical in these situations. You can't because what happens, schools and Up getting blown up and stuff like that if you don't. If you ask me, we're not being we're not being surgical enough at this point.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Yeah, not at all. Not at all. I mean, you know, again, like, if you go back to the beginning, like what's what's the crux of this whole thing? Well, it's we don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Okay. And and Iran is also a shithead country that uh funds all of these terrorist groups in that area, right? Like the they they fund the assholes in Yemen, they fund Hezbollah, you know, any any crappy group of people possible that's gonna commit terrorist acts, that they back, right? So it's like, yeah, we can all agree that's that's not good. Like, like this, this isn't good for business. We don't want this group having uh a weapon. That that's good. But you know, the the terrain of Iran is massive, it's massive. And and you tell me you're gonna uh we're gonna kill one guy and it's different. No, it's not, you know, there's like how many hundred people a hundred million people live there plus uh whatever the number is, it's a lot, right?

SPEAKER_05 23:14

Well, well, here's here's the thing for me is I do I do agree in the grand scheme of things, I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons either. I don't think that's good for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

They have shown they can't, they do not have the leadership, has never shown, regardless of who's in in command there, has never shown that uh a lick of reason why the rest of the world would be confident in their ability to restrain themselves with that kind of a weapon. I mean, and if I'm really being honest, I mean, this is kind of you know pointing out Captain Obvious here. Why do we live in a world where anyone has I like I understand Apache helicopters and and all of these missiles and stuff like that that you know that they have for but for everyone to have a nuclear weapon, not everyone, but a lot of countries having nuclear weapons and saying, well, it's a deterrent, right? It's scary to me that we live in a world where someone would say what the attitude of our leaders is well, if you nuke us, we'll nuke you back. What the fuck? You're we're talking about making the planet unable to sustain life, right? Like, period. There's some things that are bigger than us, right? Yeah, and that to me in itself, that attitude of well, if you drop one on us, we'll send one back at you, is insane. Saying that it's an it's a deterrent, how about nobody having one is a deterrent? You can I understand having defense mechanisms put in place. That's where I think that you should kind of do that, because if someone if if no one had one and then someone built one, well, then you could have defense strategies in place to counteract nuclear missiles or whatever the case might be, right? Maybe you you do something like that as opposed to spending money creating more nuclear weapons, right? Maybe go in the other direction. I don't know. Obviously, listen, I I know we don't live in a world where you know sunshine and rainbows and lollipops and all that stuff, but if more people acted as though the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be, kind of thing, right? And I understand I understand needing weapons, but nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

But but think about this. I think the nuclear weapons are more of a 1960s to 1980s thought, right? And they're not just like good forever, you know what I mean? Like you gotta like maintain these, they've gotta be. I mean, think think of like a car that's just sitting for like 50 years. You can't just get in it and go driving. Like that it doesn't work that way. And these missiles are the same way, right? And you know, like one of the things with um Russia and Ukraine is that it it's really shown like how Russia hasn't maintained shit, like their whole arsenal of like tanks and equipment and all these things, like the good stuff, all got blown up in like the first year. Everything's since it's sort of like hodged-podged Frankenstein together. That you know, there's been a lot of stories about um corruption, right? Like guys selling off parts of you know, like uh equipment that's just like sitting in this warehouse or that warehouse, and then now they need the equipment and shit doesn't work, right? And I think with like Russia's arsenal, like could Russia even legitimately fire nuclear weapons today, like if if they just wanted to? I I don't even know. I'm not even I'm not positive on that. And what what's even more interesting is that comment I made earlier about the uh AI-powered drones, right? If you think about it, if they're now using drones to kill people that are powered by AI, is that not more dangerous than a nuclear weapon?

SPEAKER_05 27:29

I mean depends on on in what way. Yes, yes, it is, but in terms of the planet being able to continue to sustain life, not as threatening.

SPEAKER_04 27:44

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 27:45

But in terms of uh, you know, outside of that grant that bigger picture, I agree with you, it's probably more dangerous for sure. So we we saw Terminator, like you said, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Yeah, I mean, sure, the planet may be able to sustain life, but if AI wipes us all out, does it matter? So uh I I saw a clip on Instagram the other day, some guy at some conference, and he's talking about how we don't know what the hell we're doing with AI. And it it was it was fairly recent. It was in within like the last week or a couple weeks or something, and he's talking about how uh Claude, you know, anthropic AI, Claude, that literally everyone is using Claude now. Um, that something about that Claude has rewritten 80% of its own code. It's improving itself.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

Oh it's coming. Judgment day's coming. It's coming, man.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

It's coming, you know, like like I I think the AI stuff maybe passed the nuclear stuff. And and he was saying, too, that he was saying the current AI race is is kind of just like the nuclear arms race, right? Where the different AI companies are going, well, I can't just stop. Like anthropic, you know, they they're trying to be righteous, right? They didn't want to give Claude to the to the Pentagon in the US. They did not want to do it, they said no. Following day, open AI was like, here's chat GPT. I got it. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's kind of like as a business, especially, you know, these things go public, the dollar matters. You can't just say no to money as a biz, like they're these are like uh contrary viewing points, right? Like the view of, well, we don't want to kill everybody on the planet, but then there's also the view of like this is a publicly traded company that has to make money, and by turning down the Pentagon, we turn down a lot of money, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Did you watch the movie? I just finished watching the movie Afraid. Have you seen it? No, no, it's a newer movie, it's uh uh it just gone onto Netflix, uh, I think about a week or two ago. It's Afraid with the AI in the word afraid, kind of you know, highlighted because it's it's an AI that uh and it just it's a horror movie, and it's obviously that this AI, uh, not to give too much of it away, generally they find out controls like everything. Like it's just this AI unit in their house, and but then you know, when they try to get rid of it, then all of a sudden they find out the hard way that you know it controls the paramedics and the cops, and it controls everything because it has dirt on everybody and it it's everywhere, right? Because it's on the internet, and it's like you can't escape this thing, so it's and crazy enough, right? Who knows? Maybe that's already the case, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:49

It it might be, yeah. I the reality is we may be past the point of no return on the AI front already. We just don't realize it. You know, I I saw a uh a really crazy post the other day on Reddit, and it was uh it kind of got me thinking a little bit, and a lot of people were kind of commenting on it, and the guy was saying, he was basically saying that he's like, What if um everything that we see today isn't real, that we're living in a simulation? And he said, Hear me out. He's like, it feels like we haven't really had anything new happen in like 30 years, like everything is all kind of based around stuff like 30 years ago, whether it's songs, movies, you know, whatnot. Obviously, there's sort of newer kind of rehashes of these things, but in terms of like just straight up original, he was like, you know, there's a lot of this stuff that it almost feels like what if the world ended, but we don't know it, and and the time stopped, and from some point forward we've been living in this like simulation reality.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

It's funny you say that because um when I was in Vegas with Rue, we went to this place called Sandbox, and it's uh do you know what sandbox is? No, so it's a virtual reality place, right? And I was like, we gotta we gotta try this. I've never tried any, not not a home-based VR, nothing, right? Yeah, so I was like, let's do this, man, right? It's like a hundred bucks, let's go, man. So we we go in there and uh you know, you even put it on over your glasses, and you're fine, right? And we did it twice. And one time we did a uh like a zombie apocalypse Resident Evil type game, right? And uh the second time around we did like uh uh there's this shh movie on uh Netflix there. It's like a I don't know, it's it's kind of like Dune meets Star Wars kind of a movie. I can't remember what it's called, but uh uh anyway, it's it's you know, we're some sort of resistance fighters or something like that in space. Anyway, the point is they're they're like first person shooter kind of, you know, and we have these on, and while we were playing, like while we were there, I completely forgot that I was in a virtual reality. Like in no part of my mind was I registering that I'm in a I'm in a simulated reality here, and I am, you know, I was I was so involved in what I was doing that I didn't even know. And when I took it off, it was like uh I don't think a half hour or whatever. And when you when you take it all off, and so we got I was soaked in sweat, like completely soaked from like rolling around and hiding under behind crates and shooting back at you know, and all this kind of stuff, right? Because you're doing that and you're getting all sexual, but I didn't even realize I was soaked in sweat until I took everything off. It it was crazy to me, and like you're just saying, how my my mind made all that stuff white noise, right? It's like saying you can't feel your toes touching until I tell you that you can't feel your toes touching, and now you can feel your toes touching because your mind white noises that feeling that sensation out unless you're paying attention to it, right? Yeah, so I mean there is there is that possibility that your mind is just whiting out that that white noising that stuff out, not realizing that you are in some sort of simulation.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Yeah, it's would you know? Probably not, right? I mean, yeah, you know, it's kind of like is the matrix real, right? And the you know the fourth movie was terrible, let me just say that. But but the beginning, you know, like the first like couple were were pretty good, and you know, like the idea of like, yeah, you like nothing's real, but you think it is, until you get like unplugged, and then the real world is we're actually like underground, we're hiding from again a drone swarm, right? And if if one of them sees you, they all come over. The same that's the exact same thing Ukraine's doing with these drones, uh, it is kind of weird, you know. Like it's it's really weird. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

Scary to think about the possibility. I I love going down that rabbit hole for sure because you know it's it's easy to think that you know, but the mind is very easily manipulated.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, like, like let's say let's say kind of going down this rabbit hole that nothing we're doing right now is real, none of this is real, it's all a simulation. This thing that's going on in Iran, right? The topic of the episode. How would you know if if that was real or not? Because we we can't get a straight answer. No one knows why the U.S. really did anything to begin with. It seems like, like you said, there's much better surgical specific ways to kind of accomplish your goals. We didn't do that. We don't really know why we're there, we don't know what the objective is, we don't know when we're leaving, we don't know what the timetable is, what's the budget? No one knows. Did Congress ever approve anything? No. It's kind of like if you were just making this up, like you know, like if Chat GPT gave you back a real shitty response and you're reading it and you're like, I don't know, you know, that sounds kind of like like you didn't think this all the way through. That's exactly what this looks like. Like you didn't think this all the way through, you know.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

Well, that makes that makes sense because it's not just that situation, but a lot of things that have happened over the last couple decades that you would have thought in I don't know, the late 90s, for example, would have been completely unacceptable or ridiculous to even think would be conceivable that people would just okay, right? Like, I don't know, a global lockdown for two years, like uh like like Kamala just taking over without anyone voting her in to run for president, like you know, all these things, and you're just like do we just glitch over this stuff? It's like, wait a second, but then there's no consequences for these things happening, right? They're just happening, and you would so so I guess you know it's it's perfect examples of again, no, no, no real solid answers as to why.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

No, no, it's it's like if anything, it's almost like there's been like a murkiness, you know, like you like you see people say, like, I'm tired of this timeline, right? Like there's there's nothing clear, like there's nothing kind of like black and white, like it's all murky, and we don't we don't really have any clear view of anything, like there's no like clear view, like what's the clear view of the future right now? I don't know. You know, people don't know. Like, like, is is it runaway inflation? No one knows. Is it AI's gonna kill us all, maybe? Um, you know, is it another pandemic pops up out of nowhere? Who the hell knows?

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Early aliens are real, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Aliens are real, and and they're coming to take uh uh over or to tell us that everything we've done is nothing matters. I I don't know, you know, it's it's weird. We live in a weird time, you know?

SPEAKER_05 38:34

We do, we certainly do. Um yeah, but uh as is kind of running things back to the uh Iran situation, uh same thing. Why would why would the Iran why would Iran shoot down an Apache helicopter that's just flying over the Strait of Harmosan? I just don't understand. Why would why do it in the first place? Well sending a message posturing.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Okay, so if let's reverse this. So Iran decides to send a Apache helicopter up the Mississippi River. You think the U.S. is gonna shoot it down? I'll bet your ass they shoot that thing down. Remember the uh you remember the the Chinese balloon? Do you remember that story? Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, like that they identified this balloon. It was like floating over Alaska or some shit, and they gave it like a couple hours, and somebody was like, Hey, shoot that shit down, and they they took it out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:48

So we never find out what that was.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Is that another murky thing? It's weird, right? It's another weird event that no one really knows what it was doing or why or what it did. No one knows. Um, but it happened. We blew it up. We blew it up, yeah. Yeah. Um so you know, anyway. So going back to whore moves, right? Like if if this was reverse, I mean, I I can totally see why Iran would shoot down an Apache helicopter. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

Um I suppose you you make a good point. Though I don't think uh an Iranian aircraft of any kind would uh even make it that far without getting shot down.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

No, no. I and you know what's the real funny thing with the US? Um do you know the comedian, um, I think it was Bill Burr. Do you know him? Oh, yeah. So he had a he had a skit at one point and he was talking something about like the guns in the US, you know, how it's like literally every house has guns and whatever. And it's like, you know, if if Iran or somebody tried to like invade the US and you actually made it onto land, like good luck. Like you're gonna get taken out by the civilians, you know. I mean like there's plenty of people with guns here, you know.

SPEAKER_05 41:15

And that's why, yeah, like and that's why I think not not just in the states, but in Canada, you know, we we need to be able to have our guns. Like I understand them not wanting people to have handguns and stuff like that. I mean, it's just such a bad thing, you know, it's so easy to hide, and they're they're everywhere in the streets and stuff like that. I mean, obviously in the states, if you're carrying uh your permit, you're you know, your but just so many gangs and all that kind of stuff that just happens with handguns at the same time. Like here in Canada, like so many people have hunting rifles, and like I've I literally have a gun safe in my house with full of guns, right? Like, yeah, and it's and I'm Canadian, but they're all hunting rifles and stuff, but you know, same thing, like like you said, good luck, right? Instead of shooting moose, we're shooting invaders, no difference to us, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah, yeah, you know, the the funny thing is uh like I've I've always actually really enjoyed shooting guns, and I I kind of like just I find them fascinating for whatever reason. And uh you know, I can remember doing that like as a kid, like going out with a buddy and his dad and you know firing firing his different guns in the woods, and like it was awesome, loved it, had a great time, you know.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

Did I ever tell you did I tell you the story about what happened when we were out in the desert uh when I was in Arizona? We went uh desert on those desert buggies and stuff like that with Max.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Is this the time about when you got abducted?

SPEAKER_05 42:51

No, no, not that time. We went with about four other guys that are Americans, right? Okay, and we pull over to this one rest stop area, whatever, where you can kind of get out and hang for a while in the middle of the desert. And me and two other guys are Canadian, right? So we're there and we're just you know, I think we're making a little bit of content and we're just kind of, you know, maybe had some lunch, whatever. And all of a sudden, you know, these American guys are they're over at their buggy, they're they're with us, right? And they're friends of friends, uh, friends of a friend. So we go over there and to their to their buggy, and the guy's like, hey guys, you ever shoot a handgun? And he just pulls out this gun, right? Us Canadians were like, uh, bro, what are you doing? Like shit just escalated here. Like, why do you have a gun? Yeah, we're Canadian. We don't just whip out handguns and you know, hey, we're trying to enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

But you were in Arizona, right? Arizona? Is that where you're in Nevada?

SPEAKER_05 43:52

Arizona, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Yeah, they got guns there.

SPEAKER_05 43:56

Clearly. Yeah. Um it just felt like Know and I I get it, you know, but at the same time, coming from Canada, it's just such an unnecessary thing to whip out a gun and start shooting shit, right? I don't know. It was just it was kind of weird, but um but I again I I get it from the that that's how people come up in the States. In this in Canada, we come up shooting you know, rifles and and you know, hunting weapons, bows, and things like that. We don't whip out a glock when we're hunting a moose, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Yeah, yeah. So well, I I think too that I could be wrong, but you know, it I think in that area there's like a lot of like um biker gang type stuff also. And you know, again, it's like that just means you're like tougher, you know, you got a Glock, right? Or whatever. Um, you know, I think in in most, you know, it it's funny in the US, they usually say that um, you know, all these people that are carrying guns, they do it for quote self-defense, but statistically, rarely is it uh used in self-defense, it's usually like used against them, like somebody else stole your gun and then shot you with it, you know?

SPEAKER_05 45:16

Stuff like that. You see that a lot. See, for me, I don't know, maybe it's where I came up, but when someone carries a is carrying a gun or a knife or a weapon of any kind of any any sort, for me, it says you're weaker, not strong, tougher. Right? It tells me you're scared to get your ass kicked. Yeah, that's what it tells me. You can't use you can't use your your hands. So if you get into any kind of an altercation, you need something uh to, you know, because you're scared of an ass whooping. Whatever happens, just getting like Eminem said, whatever happened to getting a good old-fashioned, passionate ass whooping. Getting your shit coat and your hand cooking. Good point.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

You know, it sucks getting an ass whooping, but at least you wake up the next day and you, you know, you go and you lick your wounds and so okay, so speaking of an ass whooping, so going back to Iran, what's the end game here, right? What like okay, your your first objective was to kill the the leader who was 86. I mean, he was literally like you know on his way out anyways, but you had to take him out. Now what? Like, like what is the end game? Because again, I don't know if if anybody truly knows who's in charge over there, and no one's gonna put their hand up to say it's me, right? And then you you can't you can't invade a country that's like the size and scope of Iran, and they have a militia there that they're all armed, and so again, like logistically, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_05 47:04

Yeah, it's a lot of resources to pour into something like that.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Yes, it you you know, the uh there have been some statistics around the amount of money that the US has wasted over there, and it it's like staggering, you know, like like in the US, I mean it's baffling that we're or at least maybe were are were one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and you know, we can't get healthcare, we can't get college paid for, you know, like these these like basic things that in every other developed country you have, right? But in the US you don't. And from the right, it's always this view of like, yeah, there's no money for that, and we're not paying for all these freeloaders, right? But then they have no problem pissing away like 10 times that amount of money that would have paid for all that shit. They'll piss it away in Iran, and and what do we have to show for it, you know, three months later, four months later.

SPEAKER_05 48:09

You know, like yeah, it's it's not it's not just the US to waste that kind of money. I mean, imagine how just Canada. Let's just talk about Canada and the US. Imagine how much the debt would be reduced, and imagine how much better and healthier both economies would be if both countries, not just one of them. I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw a study on the I heard a study on the radio here in Canada a couple years ago where they sent like 30 billion dollars to some, I don't know, second world country, I can't remember which one, for transgender studies on frogs. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Are you serious? Like there are literally fucking veterans that live in the streets, and we're sending like 30 billion dollars to some other country so they can study transgenderism and frogs. I like it. The reason I remember it is because it's that absurd. Yeah, it was legitimately transgenderism in frogs, and you're just so how much is our country in debt? Yeah, right? Yeah, and then they wonder why so many people say that uh both of our governments are fiscally irresponsible.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Yeah, they are, absolutely. You know, Trump has absolutely exploded the debt under his his term, right? And the irony in that is that I remember, you know, a decade ago when there were all those uh Tea Party assholes that that came out of the woodwork, that all they cared about was balancing the budget. And and to their credit, they had a point, right? I mean, we we can't just indefinitely just spend forever and ever, right? But we're kind of going down that road of like, well, maybe we can, who cares? You know, we we keep moving the goalposts around that yeah, you know, let's let's keep wasting money, let's spend as much as we possibly can. Let's let the debt go to some freaking insane level because who cares anyway, right?

SPEAKER_05 50:19

Well, exactly. It's it's an absurd amount of money that gets wasted. And again, just imagine how much healthier the economies would be, like I said before, if that money was going back into the economies instead of to absolutely absurd stuff. Like you you want to feed you want to help feed uh starving children in other countries? I'm for it, right? You you want to do you want to do transgender studies on animals in other countries? Go fuck yourself. Priorities here, yeah. Priorities. I gotta cough.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:03

Um insane, man.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

I hear you. I hear you. So, okay, so whore moose, right? So, you know, I I don't I don't know if if there's anybody left on the planet that still believes Donald Trump or a single word that comes out of his mouth, but what do you think's gonna happen? Like, like where where are we going here? Like, is is this just gonna crash out and uh full-on bankruptcy like everything else he's ever touched? Or or do we have a happy ending somewhere?

SPEAKER_05 51:37

Are you talking specifically about the Iran situation?

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Yeah, yeah. Like, does does somebody in the room step up and say, Hey, we have a chance to end this. Let's just sort of tell him something and then we'll we'll figure it out on the side and actually end this. Or do all of them keep dancing around the emperor with no clothes and telling him he's not asleep while he's asleep right next to him.

SPEAKER_05 52:04

I think Trump's gonna lose his temper and his patience at some point with this situation, and he's gonna do something aggressive. I can see that. He's a man who's run by his ego.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Yeah, that that's called a malignant narcissist. Yeah, great.

SPEAKER_05 52:23

And it's been taken hit after hit after hit, and I mean, it goes back to the comment that you made earlier about how he loves inflation. I think that that was obviously, I would hope, it was a uh comment rooted in sarcasm and frustration. And I think he's getting close to that uh that tipping point where you know, and he does it to himself because he keeps fucking saying things that aren't true, and then when people call him on it, he's like, Oh, we're almost done here, and then we're not you know, six months later, we're not almost done here, and someone calls him on it. You did that to yourself, bro, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's been a record of him going back to the 80s, every view he's ever had, you know. I mean, he he was he was a supporter of the Clintons, you know, and now he now he's like this uh hard hard right guy, you know, which is he really? I don't even know. I think I think truthfully, um the show The Apprentice created a persona of Donald Trump, and he's sort of been living up to that ever since, you know, truthfully.

SPEAKER_05 53:34

He said something when he around the time that he won the election, that uh it was it was around the topic of the fact that he can't run again for president, right? And he made a comment, uh, something I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was there will there will be a Trump family member in every election, right? So expect in the next election somebody else from his family will be running, trying to run, right? Um, he made that comment because and and and I think really what it boils down to, which is unfortunate because I was I was a supporter of his when he came in, um just because he was the lesser of it was it was the better option of what was the status quo, right? I mean, do I want an alcoholic moron stepping in who wasn't voted in to even run? What's the lesser of two evils here, right? But but I think that it's become more about him and his family making money than it has anything else, right? And that's like we've seen it with the crypto market and the stock market. Uh, he gets into office, and who made the most money, arguably, when it comes to the since in crypto alone since he came in office, it would be Trump and his family.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

It's him, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:59

Yeah, you you even see people who are putting in massive shorts just before like hours before Trump makes some horrible announcement that they know are gonna crash markets, and vice versa, for longs and stuff like you're seeing these monstrous uh leverage trading situations right before Trump announcements and stuff. So I think that's really at the end of the day what it has become about, and it's really sad. But money corrupts. Well, I'm not saying money corrupted him recently, but I'm just saying you know, money's the the motivation for everybody, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Yeah, yeah. He's been corrupt the whole time, he's been corrupt since the 80s. Um there's all kinds of stuff about him being an agent for Russia since the 80s and them funneling money through his businesses by appliances and shit like that. So he's been corrupt the whole time, but the reality is that the the apprentice kind of created this persona of him as like a business guy that people want to be around and you know it's making deals and and whatever. And and they thought, you know, hey, maybe it wouldn't hurt having somebody like that running the US because the US, all these politicians, they're just awful, right? But I I think this second time around, he is straight up crashing out hard. And you know, the first time he had he had some people in the room that were actually qualified. There was a few of them that were there that were qualified, and they clashed with him. And afterwards, they all said there's no way this guy needs to be anywhere near the presidency ever again. You know, everybody that surrounds him, they just tell him what he wants to hear, you know, truthfully, uh, regardless of the fallout or or how it impacts anything else. And I think that, you know, I would say, kind of going back to the foundation of everything, um, as a president, what irks me the most is he swore an oath to the constitution to protect the interests of the U.S. And show me where he's done that.

SPEAKER_05 57:19

Well, you could argue that about the last five presidents, really. Right.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

This this one is far worse, far worse. And this one has exploited it for himself way beyond Paul Pelosi and all these other people. Now, they're corrupt too, don't get me wrong, they're corrupt too. But this guy has taken it into the stratosphere of a corruption.

SPEAKER_05 57:43

Well, I I agree with you 100%, but for me, it's just in for a penny, in for a pound, right? That's that's kind of the way I look at it. I mean, Biden administration was, and this is not to be a pro-Trump thing or anything, but Biden's administration was doing absolutely completely detrimental things to the economy.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

I agree. They didn't do anything, they were asleep at the wheel. Right.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

So I mean uh the they're granted Trump's someone who put Gary Ginsler in the SEC to begin with, but who was controlling him was the Biden administration. And I mean, uh they were using those unelected bureaucrats to set back innovation in the United States decades.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, I I think I I think you know, my view, the way I view it is as a pro-business centrist. That's who I am. I'm a pro-business centrist. I want to do what's good for business because if business is doing well, we should all be doing well, right? Now, granted, you have you know shitheads like Elon that are taking it way beyond business doing well, okay, fine. But in general, overall, especially small business, you know, like if if businesses are thriving, if innovation is being promoted, then a lot of things are going to do very well. The markets are gonna take off, you know. I mean, you know, like one of the things right now with Trump is that there is no innovation, there are no grants, you know, they they canceled everything um on the grant side, and and so they're really stifling business. You know, businesses um need stability, you know, like this crazy, you know, we're straight up, we're straight down every other day is exhausting. I mean, it's exhausting for everybody. The market, the market's like crapping out because it can't it can't figure out what it wants to do because he's never consistent on anything, you know.

SPEAKER_05 59:56

Oil's up, oils down, oil's up, boils down, gold's up, gold's down, silver's all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Yeah, yeah. And and you know, it it's even kind of ironic the the thing with the oil and Iranian oil or Venezuelan oil or whatever. I don't even I don't even really know if the true supply actually matters, but but the words matter. So, you know, I know I've told you this before that when he first got back in office for round two, he said, Hey, don't touch those gas prices. I'm watching you. And all the gas pumps stayed low. They all stayed low, like way lower than when Biden was in office, because Biden, again, was asleep the wheel, didn't do shit, right? So gas was like twice as much, right? But he said that early on, they kept it artificially low. Now, they Heggseth goes and starts a war with Iran, and you know, probably all it would take is Trump going on TV and going, hey, gas pumps, I'm watching you. You better put it low where it should be. And I bet you it would drop like a rock. But he but no one around him is is telling him that. Like nobody's telling him. And so in the meantime, the US, you know, and it gas is what drives inflation because the entire US economy is driven on semi-truc and logistics. And so if they don't do anything, it there he's over there going, yeah, I love I love the runaway inflation. I don't. My grocery bill doesn't. God, you know, can some can the bigger person please step up? Anybody in the room, tell me how the Iran war ends, tell me where it ends, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:40

I am a little I am a little bit surprised though, because uh I noticed yesterday I went to get gas, and um gas uh gas prices were actually down like 20 cents from where they were like a month and a half ago here in Canada. I was like, holy smokes, gas was like uh 185 or something like that, and then it was like it was like 166 yesterday. I was like, don't gas prices usually go up in the summertime because everyone's going camping and they need you know they need it for their boats and they need it for you know everything, their generators, and uh normally here in Canada gas prices go up in the summertime, not down.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

Well, what one of the things that they've supposedly done recently is uh I guess in the summertime, because of the use of more gas, they introduce ethanol into it, so gas derived from corn. And I guess when it's not summer, they'll have the quote blend at like 10% or less. And when it's summer, it's usually it they bump it up a little like 15%, right? But sometimes you run into problems if the specific engine can't run on ethanol or has trouble running on ethanol, and so the the point here is that they they've added ethanol now, so that may be why it temporarily is dropped a little bit, but there it's not like a perfect solution. Like I guess it burns faster, so you run out of gas quicker. Um, so it's it's not it's not like a one-to-one with what you were using beforehand, just feels cheaper.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:15

I just feel cheap. Oh, well, man, we've already crossed over the hour. This is a fast hour. Holy smokes. Um, but I I do have uh, I was thinking, I do have a pretty good topic for our next episode that we will discuss. Um so yeah, final thoughts, my friend, on the Strait of Harmoose and what's to come. You asked me what I thought was going to happen. I said, I think Trump is gonna lose his patience and his temper, and he's gonna become very aggressive. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

I guess the way I see it ending is the U.S. simply walks away but tells everybody we won or that we got some deal or something happened, even though that thing never actually happened. I think that's how they end it. If not, and it continues to escalate, I'm not sure where it goes. You know, Trump is a serial gaslighter, so he gaslights like crazy and then he backs off of it. Taco Tuesday, right? He gaslights again, he backs off. So, I mean, at some point in time, you would think that there would be somebody, at least on the business front, that could get through to him. Like, you know, he doesn't give a shit about anybody in his cabinet, he doesn't respect any of them whatsoever. But at one point early on, he did get a letter from like, you know, the top 100 CEOs or 50 CEOs in the US, and he did listen to them. So maybe if if somebody like that could come forward and just sort of give a business case for let's let's walk away but say we won, maybe that's how it ends. Maybe interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:03

Maybe we take our weapons with us this time when we leave. Just putting that out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

We don't like to do that. We like to leave that for everybody. Here, Afghanistan, Taliban, take all of our weapons.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:18

We've got more.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Oh, we we disabled them, they can't use them right. Okay, every one of them. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

All right, buddy. This wraps up yet another episode. Guys, make sure uh you give us a five star review, like and subscribe, and uh, we will see you guys in the next one. God bless. Till next time, shift out.