Paradigm Shift Podcast: Moon Landing..... Real Or Fake?

Big Rob & Jesse Dive into the facts and theories about the Moon Landing, Why It Could Be Real, Why It Could Be Fake, Find Out what conclusion we end up coming to in todays episode.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

All right, we are back at it. Welcome to the Paradigm Shift. We got another exciting episode for you today. I am, of course, Big Rob back with Jesse. What's going on, buddy?

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Hey, buddy. I'm uh jackstacked, fanny packed, ready to go.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

I like it, buddy. I like it. Uh, today we're gonna talk about an interesting one. Uh, we had a I had a lot of fun talking about we we ended up in the last episode diving into a bit of a rabbit hole and conspiracy. And I had a lot of fun doing it. So I was like, you know what? Let's do some full episodes of some of that stuff. Let's dive down the rabbit hole of the moon landing.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Ah, the moon landing. Ooh, jazz hands, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:49

So much controversy as to whether there was actually a moon landing or not. Personally, I always just generally accepted that there was because that's just what you grew up being told.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

That's what they told you.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yeah, yeah, we were on the moon, whatever, right? You just kind of move past it. It's just generally accepted. But did we actually land on the moon? When you think now, when you really think about it, and the technology that we have today versus the technology that we had then, uh 1969 and 1972, right? Uh was the what's the era. They did not have the technology, in my opinion, to make this happen. And there's a lot of jokes that I've seen that ring true. For example, when they're lifting off the moon, you can see uh the the camera pan up with them leaving the moon. It's like we didn't have the technology for cameras to pan up like that then for starters. So did they leave a dude on the moon? Is he still up there? Camera operator. Yeah. Is that is that the whole man on the moon story? Is he still up there eating cheese or what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Hey, it you know what's funny? Um, I don't know if you ever watch um what is it, uh Expedition Unknown with Josh Gates. You ever see that show?

SPEAKER_02 2:25

I I watched uh older episodes when it was new years ago, but not lately.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Okay, so really good show. And he's he's got really, really funny humor, and he he's kind of like has a persona of like wanting to be like a modern day Indiana Jones, basically. But some of the stuff they do on the show is really funny where uh whenever he's like digging somewhere for like something archaeologically, or you know, they're metal detecting and they're digging, there's always a camera angle from in the hole, and he's like swiping everything away like he's digging. And I always joke that hey, they found a camera.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

People don't think about that when they're watching him though, right? They found a camera, they were digging.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Oh my god, it's a camera and it's on, it's live, and now we got shots.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Uh so to kind of walk everybody through it real quick. Um, so the moon landings, apparently, so I looked it up. Uh, I used AI and it says apparently we're real, Apollo 11, and the five successful missions that followed put 12 astronaut astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 72. This is confirmed by physical evidence, independent verification, physics, and mountains of data. Conspiracy theories claiming it was fake have existed since the 1970s. Um, so number one, the American flag is waving, like there's wind on the moon.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Yes, and I've I've seen this one and I've read about it. That their their argument is they say, well, it was crumpled up, so when we put it out, that's why it looks like it's waving. Because the thing is on the moon, there's no wind. There is no wind. So because there's no atmosphere, right? So I don't know. I don't know if I buy that one. You know, that you know, we we have a flag for the moon, but it was just like wadded up, like some shirt that somebody threw in the corner after they worked out. Like what?

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Yeah, and on top of that, would they be so lazy as to not straighten it out and smooth it out? Like, would you not do that? Do you you know if you're if you're if you have a shirt, a dress shirt that's wadded up, for example, and you grab it, it's clean, but it's what it's been wanted up and it's all wrinkly. Do you not iron it? Do you not straighten it out? Or do you just throw it on? Like it that seems like a half-assed way to put the flag up on the moon, is to you know kind of have it all crinkled, and like you said, you know, it's like in a gym bag for six months and just hung it up. Like, that's I don't know. Is that really the best first impression you want to leave?

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Yeah, I don't know, right? You you'd almost think that they would have known. I mean, they had to have known there's no atmosphere, meaning there's no wind, meaning that maybe they need like a crisp flag, right? Like, think of like a like a poster, right? Like, usually a poster comes like rolled up in a tube. Maybe the flag would be like that, right? But how do they what do you mean they have a crinkled flag that like simulates wind, but it's like what I don't I don't know. That that whole thing is is definitely kind of odd, and I don't know if I buy the explanation.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

So what what it says here is that uh there's no air on the moon, so the flag shouldn't move. Uh and then it says the excuses the flag has a horizontal telescope rod along the top, uh along the top to hold it extended. Why would you need a rod across the top of it, first of all?

SPEAKER_01 6:14

If there's no wind.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

If there's yeah, why would you need to hold it out like that? That doesn't mean I don't know, but um they say the flag moved due to the inertia and steady ripple from being tightly packed during the flight. It doesn't flap continuously like like in the wind. I don't know. That's up for interpretation, I suppose. Yeah, okay. Okay, but again, again, for me, the the the key point is that you're doing something historic and you're gonna half-ass it and put a crinkly flag up. I just I don't buy that, right? I mean, when when when they give a flag, for example, to a widow or something uh in the military, right? They give the you know, they they full it's nice, it's crazy, they don't even touch it with gloves or with hands, they use gloves. That's true. Yeah, they're very, very uh gentle and careful with it. But the but the flag that they're planting on the moon they just kind of threw into a bag and crinkled it up. I I don't know, man. It just doesn't add up to me, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Now, now you could say that, well, they didn't have the space to keep it fully extended or whatever, but you'd think they'd I don't know. You think they could have done a better job, right? I mean Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

I mean, it's either you did a half-assed job putting a flag up on the moon, a historic monumental moment for all of mankind, or you're full of it. It's one of the two.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Yeah. Okay, so before we talk about anything else with the moon, let's talk about the rocket science to get to the moon. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Okay, I just have one more little quick point to make on the flag first. Yes, go for it. And that is that another thing the government is known for is redundancy. You think that they sent these people to the moon with one flag? They didn't pack two or three extra flags. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Go ahead. That's a great point. Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

They only had one, what? Just accept it. Amazon didn't ship the rest in time. I don't know. Yeah, and it's crumpled up, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

It was balled up in somebody's pocket. They put it out and they attach a car antenna to keep it straight.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Someone blew their nose with it.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Okay. All right. All right, now we're talking rocket science. Okay. Now let me preface this by saying I'm not a rocket scientist. However, I do know a little bit, right? So the rockets they used, what was it? The V V2 rocket, I think is what it was that they used to get there. So this was the rocket invented by Werner von Braun, former Nazi, high-ranking Nazi, that you know, we've whitewashed all of that, but that's not the point of the episode. That the rocket was originally built for the purpose of firing it into the United Kingdom and killing people. Okay. That's what they use the V2 rocket for in World War II. Now, fast forward to 1969, right? So what's that, 24 years later from the end of World War II, they're supposedly putting astronauts on it that it's uh it's strong enough to get out of the atmosphere, which is a significant feat back then, um, and then somehow get them to the moon, right? And get them back home, also, right? And you know, I think the hard part that I have with this is a couple things. So, one, you know, think of think of like a Mustang from like 1969 versus today, right? Completely different technology from then till now in terms of how the car is built. So, same thing. I mean, I I can't even imagine how rudimentary it would be inside that capsule and the rocket, etc., going there. Now, on top of that, you have to have very complex mathematical calculations to actually pull this thing off, right? Because even with the recent like Artemis mission, that was very elaborate with with how they went up um into space and they like slingshotted around the moon, and they used, you know, like this force to come all the way back, you know, everything kind of worked out magically. Um, but you really need like some pretty significant engineering to pull off that particular feat with this rocket that was was never really initially at least designed to go to space, but then it went to space. You somehow did this amazing thing with this landing, and then you never went back, right? Like you had you what what'd you say, 72 was was the other one, and then it's just kind of like we were like, hey, we're done, mission accomplished. You know, it's kind of like if if the the settlers from Europe, you know, came to the new world and they said, Hey, we made it, we made one more journey, and they said, That's it. We're done, we'll never go back there for another 50 years plus, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Well, from what I've read and everything I've seen, they're saying allegedly that not only all footage, data, and everything was destroyed, but so was the technology they used to actually go to the moon. Isn't that a little convenient? Why would you destroy the technology used even if it was on accident? Why would you again government is well it's well documented that the government is renowned for redundancy? You don't just have the plans for technology to go land on the moon, one copy in one place somewhere where it can be, you know, like I don't know, you'd you'd think they'd have uh backups in the Pentagon or something, I don't know, stored somewhere, right? You just you lost the technology, it was destroyed, and you just don't know how. And I would further ask the question let's say that today, do you think only using the technology they claim existed back between 69 and 72 to go to the moon, if if they tried to use that same technology today with everything we have today, do you think anyone would green light that flight?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Hmm. That's a loaded question. Yeah, because well, the thing you gotta think too is that if you rebuilt a V2 rocket today, same technology, the same plan, same everything, it probably cost I mean with inflation like 10 times more what it costs then to do this, right? I mean that have you ever seen the V2 rocket in person? No. So next time you're in Florida, Kennedy Space Center is well worth it to to see the V2 rocket, right? And they've got it elevated in one of the buildings, and it is massive, massive rocket, right? To pull that off, I mean, that would take a significant amount of money uh to fund something like a V2 rocket today to do this.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

Well, we have it's not like our government is not known for wasting money on stupid things, but I digress. I looked up why we never went back to the moon, and it gave me four reasons, but primarily they all revolve around finances.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Okay, so I could partially see that, but you know what it also could be is maybe it goes back to Warner von Braun, right? So remember that he came to the US via Operation Paperclip as a captured Nazi scientist, right? And at the time, Operation Paperclip was all about um, we need to get them because if we don't get them, then Russia's gonna get them, and it's it's like a battle, right? So that's where he came from. Now, by all accounts, von Braun was kind of like braggadocious, and uh, and he had a giant ego, right? I mean, this is the guy who built the V2 rocket, like he's got a massive ego, and there's even a an old photo of him in his office where he's got the uh the different rockets, all the rockets that he's built, and they steadily get bigger and bigger, right? So this guy, he was never an American citizen, but he works on something so prominent is NASA, right? So prominent is NASA and getting to the moon. And so I guess what I'm getting at is would he be the kind of guy that would sort of let it all die with him when he dies? I could see that, to be honest. I could see him not really having a successor. I mean, I could be totally wrong here, but I could see him kind of keeping some of this stuff close to the vest. And then when he's suddenly gone, they're like, well, now what? And it's like they never passed the torch, the baton, the next person. There's no succession to like, you know, take it to the next level, which is maybe why they pivoted to the shuttle. Now, I could be totally wrong about that too, but obviously they went away from the V2 rocket, they went to the shuttle. The shuttle is more of like a like a glider, right? It's attached to a rocket, and then when it comes down, it's like a glider, you know. So a bit different design, probably cheaper. But that probably had something to do with it, if I had to guess. Because I don't think he was just gonna give up all of his secrets, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

I guess that's a valid argument. That's a valid argument, but he would have had to have destroyed his own work before he died, though, for them to not be able to find it and stuff. But let me ask you this. With how the government, the the US government behaves in terms of their attitude towards uh being the first when it comes to technological innovation, whether it's AI, crypto, blockchain technology, whatever the case might be, right? Um obviously the attitude from the US government in general about it is we need to be first, which is the attitude you should have, right? Yeah, um, does that not apply to the space race? Like I don't know. I just I would one would think that you would continue to develop uh the ability for either space stations, um ships, whatever the case might be, before China, Russia, or any of these other countries get ahead of you in terms of that, right? Would that not be a priority? Because if I don't know, China, for example, is equipped to use ships in space and orbit the planet, well, they've kind of got an advantage militarily over you, no.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Well, I think it sounds simple, but it's a lot more complicated. So I think it it probably has a governmental aspect to this, you know, that administrations change, the people in office turn over at some point, you know, and sometimes things shift from like, hey, we just blew our wad here, going to the moon twice. I think we're done with that, mission accomplished, let's spend our money somewhere else. And and you know, a great uh political talking point is acting like you care about the budget, which you know, I don't know if any of them truly do, but they pretend like they do from time to time, right? And it's a political win, right? You're like, hey, I'm gonna get in there and I'm gonna balance the budget. No, you're not, you know, but uh great, you know. So I think that could be part of this also. So you kind of have a a mixing of events that you got von Braun died, you've got the Vietnam War, probably distrust of big government, sort of a changing tides of you know, government, whatever. Um, you have this pivot away from the costs of the V 2 rocket. Um, you also have just naturally over time, all the defense contractors have consolidated. Now, obviously, that kind of happened later, but that did happen. They've all sort of consolidated. So your prices can and costs, your expenses continue to go up, up, up, right? So I can kind of see how you would deviate. But at the same time, you would think you would want a a base on the moon or something like that, at least some sort of uh rest area, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Well, I I mean I've seen a lot of stuff or read a lot of stuff about, for example, one of the ideas was to uh to be able to have a space station, for example, a research station, I should say, on the moon, right? Uh I I did a lot of digging into that, and they were talking about how it would be like uh train cars, right? And they would obviously have to be equipped with a certain type of metal that protects it from uh mini asteroid uh storms and stuff like that. Otherwise, uh, you know, uh those things will just go through like a like a sheet of paper, right? But uh so there was a lot of talk about that, and in terms of resources for said uh research station on the moon was the best way to get resources was actually to mine asteroids for your minerals, water, all that stuff, as opposed to trying to like, I'm sure it costs a I can't even imagine how much it costs to launch a crap ton of water from the surface of the planet into space. That's heavy, right? Yeah, yeah. So, what do you what do you think about that? Do you think that that's something that's just kind of made up, or do you think that there's there's teeth to that? The whole research station on the moon, uh, it's a lot easier to launch off of the moon as well, is another reason. It's a lot cheaper to do so. And you're you're kind of further away in terms of if you want to go further, if you want to go to Mars or wherever the case might be. It's probably easier to launch off of the moon, and uh given the gravity situation, and I mean it is kind of a pit stop, it's closer to Mars than we are, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think humanity naturally kind of goes to the edges if it can, right? And I mean, you see this with like Antarctica. I mean, there's there's people that live like you know in the north of the you know, the Arctic Circle, all that stuff, right? Like they do have like bases at places like that. So why would you not have a base on the moon? I mean, it it it's almost baffling in a way. Like, why would why would you focus your efforts on this like international space station versus just making a pop-up base on the moon and having something there? So again, it does kind of make you question like, well, did we ever actually get there? Like it it kind of makes you wonder, you know, because it's like it it seems so obvious, yet it's there's nothing there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Well, that's exactly it. And another question for me is that let's let's be real here. We are destroying this planet as we go along. At some point in history, we are going to have to find it.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. Some of us bring reusable bags to the grocery store.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Oh, excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

I'm doing my part, I don't know about you.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Oh, dude, my wife rags on me about that all the time. Every time I go to the store, I buy a new reusable bag.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Oh, you're that guy.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

I got a million of them. My wife's take them with you. I'm like, I forget. That's really funny. Yeah, shopping's not my habit, so yeah. But you would think at some point we're gonna have to migrate off this planet, at least at least partially. We're gonna have to uh you know expand. I mean, given at some point in our history, regardless, it's inevitable. And our population growth rate, and I mean, they say that we're overpopulated now. I strongly disagree with that. But I mean, take Canada, for example. I could drive for eight hours before seeing another person.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

That's that's probably a good thing, though. Let's be honest, man. Like eight out of ten people, not uh not a lot of quality there.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

I think it was Elon that said uh if every single person right now on the face of the planet, I can't remember the exact numbers, but could have something like I don't know, square a square mile of property to themselves and still never see their neighbor. That doesn't that that was his argument against us being overpopulated, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Yeah, I know. So he's doing his part by having 14 kids with like 18 different women or whatever. I mean, come on now.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Yeah, if we're gonna get there, he's doing his part, right? I mean, he's he's trying to populate us with robots, so I mean, yeah, great.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Like his son that's smearing the boogers on the desk at the Oval Office.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Great. Well, let's be honest, either him or Trump's gonna do it. Either way, boogers are gonna smear this.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Let's be honest, somebody else probably already did smear the boogers on the Oval Office.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

He probably did it because he saw other boogers were already there. He's like, Oh, this is the booger smearing spot.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Um but uh yeah, lots uh lots of conspiracy theories about it. I I would think that the space race for one would be very important. That's just kind of my um my take on it. Uh, but going back to some of the other reasons, uh shadows or sorry, no stars in the sky in the photo. Duh. Check this out.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Yeah, there's no stars.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Check this out. Uh now, if you're just listening on the podcast, I'm sharing a picture of the moon landing. And if you can see the sky, there there are no stars in the sky. Solid black. Yep. Yeah, just a black sheet, right? Which is a valid argument. Right? Very valid argument. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Well, usually you don't see stars because of light pollution, but what's your light pollution on the moon?

SPEAKER_02 27:06

I was gonna say, right, there's no there's no light pollution, and the angle is completely irrelevant. Right.

unknown 27:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

And now now that that said though, they're on the what, the lighter, no, lighter side, because there's a dark side of the moon and there's a light side of the moon, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Yeah, but the transformers on the dark side of the moon, so you don't want to go there.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Yeah, good point, right? So I don't know. You know, I think about like um, they always say the best place to like see stars and like UFO slash UAP sightings is in the desert, right? Well, the reason why is there's no lights out there, it's just endless darkness, so you can actually see like the Milky Way galaxy, right? So you would wonder on the moon, there's there's no lights. I mean, come on now. What's going on here?

SPEAKER_02 28:00

It should be pretty pitch black, yeah. Yeah, even if the sun, even if they were in the sunlight, you would still be able to see stars in the sky. Like, even if the sun was coming at them on an angle, the angle that like so from where the sun is coming from, I'll show you again, I'll put it back on the screen. You can see where the sun is coming from. It's coming from uh, you know, like in front of him or in in this direction, like to the to the south of him, if you're you know on his left, right? It's coming from that angle, as you can see, based on the shadows on the ground. Looks like it's coming from directly in front of him. So behind him over here, why would we not be able to see stars? There's no light drowning it out, there's no city lights, there's no clouds. Why would we not be able to see stars?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Have you ever heard? Um, there's a quote from 1984, the Or Orson Wells book, and it's something about how the final phase is like when they tell you not to believe your eyes and ears. You know, and that's kind of what I think of looking at this. It's like, uh, yeah, that's a great point. I don't I don't know. I don't know what to tell you on that one.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

You know, I got I got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah, I I got nothing. Hey, how about this one? So they talk about the Van Allen radiation belts, right? So it says here, theorists question how astronauts survive the journey, and it's this fact. The Apollo spacecraft used heavy aluminum shielding, and the astronauts traveled through the most dangerous inner radiation belts quickly to minimize exposure.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Oh, as long as they did it quick. With aluminum, with aluminum, yeah, aluminum. Like what? Aluminum. I wonder if I just run my hand through a lava stream as long as I do it quickly. With aluminum. With aluminum, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Like if you went fishing with like a Coke can and you threw it into the volcano, if you were quick, we're good. It's aluminum, what speed is everything. Yeah, I mean, you you know, like, think about that. Like, they talk about like the tiles that they've used on the space shuttle are complex ceramics, right? Like they talk about this on Skin Walker Ranch all the time. The show, right? Complex ceramics are what these space tiles are made of, and they're they absorb heat. What are you doing with aluminum? Metal? Metal? Like you're gonna deflect heat with with metal? Like what? You know, and now now the James Webb space telescope has mirrors that have like a golden look to it. So maybe there's a a little bit of something there, but aluminum?

SPEAKER_00 31:01

What? Like from my kitchen, yeah. Uh aluminum.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Uh well, it says, yeah, it says uh daily the deadly radiation made the trip impossible. Uh the excuse is the spacecraft passed through the belts quickly. Total exposure time was short, but okay, so short, how short is short? Short is a matter of perspective. Yeah, it's relative, right? Short could be five hours, short could be five days, short could be five seconds. What does short mean?

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah, what does that really mean? Hey, um, I don't know if you ever you probably haven't seen this video, but it's really funny. There's a video, I saw it at some point on Instagram or somewhere, and it was somebody walked up to Buzz Aldrin. You know, he's one of these astronauts, right? And they started talking shit about how he didn't land on the moon, he like got in like a physical fight with him. It was actually kind of funny, you know. It was it was like, come on, like like you're gonna go and like pick a fight with like an 80-year-old guy and tell him he didn't do shit like back in the day. It was it was it was really funny.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

So for me, when I think about so far what we've talked about, and I think about like the moon the moon landing and stuff, and you know the the radiation, and they had to go through the the sparsest parts of the radiation to make it, and the technology was so flimsy, and they had to use aluminum, and just all of these facts together. To me, it equals why would they even do this trip? Like it's it's if there was something that was going to save humanity or something like that, I would understand. But we're talking about a trip for the sake of going to the moon and the perilous journey involved with flimsy technology, the risks were just I mean, if if they were to I don't I don't even know the odds are if they were to repeat this, you know, a hundred times, how many times would they die, right? Why would you do it in the first place? Well, I don't it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

The answer is simple, actually. One small step for man, one giant step for mankind.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

So what if they died? One stupid move for man.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Well, you know, honestly, I think most of those guys are usually like military pilots, they have a background typically like a military pilot, right? And to be honest, usually those guys are looking for the next rush, right, after their military career. And this would kind of be that next step. And I could see from a political perspective where you could say, hey, we pull this off, that's gonna give you a massive win, you'll be remembered forever for being the president, the goddess to the moon, right? I mean, that that is kind of a really big deal. Um, so I could kind of see where you would go all in, right? And it does kind of appear that they did that. I mean, I think more than anything, what I question with the moon landing is like the video. Like, I feel like the video looks fake. And and just watching the Artemis mission, I you can see how complex and hard and difficult it was to pull off today, you know, over 50 years later. And and so did they really pull it off? Maybe, and and you know, maybe maybe they just uh didn't document it well because of the technology at the time, you know, like one of the things that really pisses me off with like all the like modern day like UFO sightings and things like this, every video is like shot with the worst camera possible, you know. Like there's there's never anything high def ever, right? Um now Artemis did actually capture some really high def imagery that did sort of align with some of the 1969 stuff. But even still, I mean, even on that mission, they did not land on the moon. Now, I think that's part of I could I could be wrong, but I think that's part of like the future mission is to actually go back to the moon. But it it is just crazy to me that there's this gap of over 50 years, and that no one else did it either. That's also weird, right? That no other country has built a base there.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Yeah, like China, like nobody, nobody went, planted their flag, and you know, everyone's just yeah, I agree with that too. Um it's like everyone just said, Oh, I guess the U.S. owns the moon, or I guess the U.S. has their flag up there. And like it's almost insulting to other countries to know that only the U.S. flag is planted up on the moon.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Hey, well, let's be honest. Um, the U.S. is the only country that matters, proven by Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry at the U.S. soccer game. He was not at the Canadian game, he was at the US game.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

We need to get in a canoe, get our way up to the moon, and put a Canadian flag up there, eh? Yeah, I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

What the hell are the Canadians in this whole thing? Have some have some pride. Where are you guys?

SPEAKER_02 36:43

With the Canadian flag tied to a hockey stick up there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

You guys were too busy drinking beer in the basement, bitching about the hockey game. You could have been going to the moon.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Damn abs.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Yeah, all in all, for me, it just I don't know. Like, I've I've always lived my life, like I said, just accepting that we went to the moon. Did it happen? Did it not happen? I guess for in our lifetime, we probably won't know for sure. But I do I do want to say that people who have the argument of the technology just wasn't there. We didn't even have cell phones, we had nothing, we didn't even have the internet, we had nothing. We had like two channels and bunny ears with tinfoil on them, right? Watching television. So there is a valid argument to be made that the technology just wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Maybe, maybe. I mean, you know, I would say that at the end of World War II, Germany was way beyond everybody else on the planet. And the reason why is because Hitler got rid of all the red tape, right? Like, imagine if if the US had no red tape for a span of 15 to 20 years. Like, how much further advancement could come about, right? And this is this is kind of the age of Warner von Braun where he was building those rockets. And who was building the rockets? Slave labor. All the slave labor that he got from Himmler were the people building the actual rockets. So could they actually have the technology? Could the Nazis have had it? It I I think they could have, absolutely. You know, the the interesting part with World War II is that this is a bit of a sidebar, but at the time um they were building chemical weapons as well, and they never actually used them because they couldn't get enough of the antidote and they were afraid they'd kill the German population. But the truth was that they were way beyond everybody. And so when the US then got these paperclip scientists, including Warner von Braun, was the technology there? Possibly. I just feel like the moon video looks fake, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Yeah, it does. I'm I'm actually looking up what other historic events happened at the same time that we were landing on the moon to see if a possible argument of a distraction. It's not like the government is not known for putting out stories to distract people from something that's happening over here. They say, hey, look over here instead.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Well, you know, 1969, you had Vietnam, you had Woodstock. There's some pretty big things that happen.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Yeah, uh, Stonewall riots in New York were going on. Uh, like you said, Woodstock. Um, I mean, they probably did this to distract against uh away from the Beatles' last public performance. That's probably what it um yeah, the Vietnam War and anti-war protest could have could have been an attempt at a distraction away from the Vietnam War. Could have been because it was a very hot button issue back then. I mean, protests uh that was one of the if if not the most protested war in history, was it not?

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Yeah, yeah, it was it was way up there, way up there. So okay, a couple other things with the moon. Let's go down the rabbit hole a little bit, right? Okay, that that that's really the goal of this show, right? Let's go down the rabbit hole. What do you think about um UFO sightings and potential moon bases? Because we supposedly landed on the light side of the moon, the tidal locked side that always faces the planet. We did not go to the dark side of the moon, like Pink Floyd. What do you think about that? You know, because you do tend to see, at least today, uh random old grainy videos that appear to show what look like UFOs in and around the moon.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Um, I am a very big believer, honestly, that we do have aliens around us at all times. Like, not not like like I I don't I don't know how I'm wording it properly or whatever, but I am a big believer that we've known that aliens are real for decades, right? Okay, and and I I wouldn't be shocked if uh maybe that's why we never went back. Maybe they told us not to.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Well, I think we need to book your ticket to the nut house because you've lost it. There is no such thing as aliens, one and only species in the entire universe. Well, of course, that's that is what the law of averages dictates, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Yeah, there's only one, no one else. You have a forever infinite number of planets in a never-ending universe uh that are identical to Earth in terms of the ability to support life that would have to be by the law of averages. None of them have any life, it's just us.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Well, I don't know if you've ever seen any of these posts that talk about the potential different UFO sorry alien species, the different species of aliens. One of them I find very compelling, which is the the one known as the Nordics. Have you heard of them?

SPEAKER_02 42:47

I have actually, they're familiar, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Yeah, so it's supposedly now. Obviously, I don't have any proof personally, but supposedly it's an alien species of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people. Okay now, what's very fascinating about just that that idea just in general, and this this is scientific fact, is that all people with blue eyes date back to one single ancestor. Figure that one out. There was just a guy with blue eyes, and he was like, Hey, I'm different, and now like a third of the planet has blue eyes and blonde hair, supposedly like the Nordics.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

It was a busy man. From from my understanding, uh blue eyes is actually a mutation. Is it not?

SPEAKER_01 43:46

I don't know. But apparently it's one ancestor, one person had it. So in all of human history, the nobody had it, and then all of a sudden it just appears out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 43:59

Makes sense. No, uh from I've never heard that before. Though I will go back to the the Nordics you were talking about. I did see a video on X the other day. Uh somebody had posted of Trump standing there with two of those.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Yeah, that was fake. But it was it was neat looking.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

That was pretty cool. Yeah, I saw that the other day. It's like Trump was meeting with some weird people. It's like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Yeah. Yeah. I I saw um man, I went down the rabbit hole the other night on Instagram. Somehow I got in this UFO loop. And one of the videos was it was something about them covering a recovering a crashed UFO in the water. And you know, this guy's talking about the recovery and whatever, and that supposedly when they opened it, it had two occupants and they had helmets on. And it said that when they took the helmets off, they both had blonde hair, long blonde hair.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Yeah. Again, I mean, I don't know if any of this is real or it's all just pure crap, but it it does make you go, hmm, that's weird.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

It's probably all just made up, but that's the problem, is that you know, when people make stuff up, it makes it hard to you know kind of decipher the the you know what's possibly real versus what is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Okay. Well, how about this? Here's a new one for you with the moon, right? Going back to the moon. The moon rang like a bell. Do you hear this one? No. Yeah, so it says here uh phenomenon uh hollow moon concept stems from a real experiment. So it says during the Apollo missions, NASA crashed spent lunar ascent stages onto the moon surfaces to trigger artificial moon quakes, right? This is another cool thing to talk about, and measure the core. Seismic sensors recorded vibrations that continued for over an hour. Think about that. So they hit it like a bell and it vibrated for over an hour.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

So that's the hollow moon theory.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Yeah, now they say they say, well, actually, the moon isn't hollow, that it's just that there's no liquid, there's no moisture, there's nothing. So, like the the dust, for example, that they say is on the moon is like coarse, right? It's very coarse and rigid because there is no moisture that holds anything together. And so they're saying that when NASA crashed this stuff into the moon, that it's because there's no moisture, which is why it rained, not because it's hollow.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Because there's no moisture, it rained. Okay. I have seen clips, fake or not, I have no idea, of ships flying into the moon. Like from a distance. Have you ever seen those kind of clips?

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Yeah, yeah, flying into a like a like an asteroid crater. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

Yeah. So very interesting. Again, I mean, there's no way to know, but I could see it. I you know what? If if if someone was to tell me tomorrow that they found out that, yeah, the actual the inside of the moon is actually uh an alien civilization in there or space base, whatever the hell you want to call it, I'd be like, yeah, sounds about right. I can see why they I could see why they would want to, uh a good observation post of the planet, right? It would make perfect logical sense.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I was uh I was listening to an interview with somebody, this is probably a year or two ago, maybe longer, and she had written a book on the moon, this this author, right? And she was talking about all these really unique facts about the moon. And there are some that kind of do make you wonder like, are we living in the matrix? Like, is this all just made up and you know, like a construct somewhere? So here's this this is crazy. Now, this is true, 100% true. Is that the moon? So it says here the perfect eclipse, right? So it says it's a striking cosmic coincidence that the sun is right about 400 times larger in diameter than the moon, and the sun is also about 400 times further away from the earth than the moon. So, because of this ratio, they appear almost exactly the same uh size from Earth. So allowing for a flawless total solar eclipse, that is really weird to me, right? I mean, you gotta, you know, again, here's where you know the conspiracy theorist in me calls bullshit because I I do not believe in coincidences that are this perfect, and it is absolutely perfect, how that is, you know.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

What do you think about that? I'm with you. I I don't believe in coincidences either, and it's just I mean, again, for me, it always goes back to something like the law of averages. What is it? What are the chances? Let alone, what are the chances that it would line up perfectly like that?

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Yeah, mathematically, it's got to be a near impossibility that we would have a perfect moon that would yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Like it would it's probably the odds are probably so bad it's probably not even calculable, calculable. Did I say that right? You can't calculate it.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Right, right. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I find that just very, very weird, right? And and not only that, you know, there there are other weird things too. Like they say that the moon is slowly drifting into space by like an inch and a half or two inches a year, it slowly is drifting away. So theoretically, at some point in the future, I guess it just leaves, I don't know, or drifts so far out that who knows what the hell happens to it. Like, what? Like, like that that seems weird. And then you know what else is really weird? I don't know if you knew this. This this is also fact is that the earth doesn't spin perfectly, like a perfect top would. It actually wobbles, and it wobbles because of the weight of the man-made cities on earth.

SPEAKER_02 50:59

Really?

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Yes, so like your your Mexico City, your New York City, like the really big places, Tokyo. They've actually caused the Earth to slightly wobble in its rotation. Wow. So we we have a slight wobble. We got a moon that's drifting away at two inches a year, and then we've got this picture perfect matchup for for the eclipse. That's really weird to me, you know. That's weird.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Uh it's not weird, it's damn near impossible.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

It is, you know, just like landing on the moon's impossible, so is so is the eclipse, you know. So it's like, what are we really looking at here? You know?

SPEAKER_02 51:46

Makes you wonder. It definitely makes you wonder. Uh it goes back to like like you said, it goes back to what we were talking about last week about the whole matrix kind of uh simulation theory. Yeah. Which I'd love to, I would absolutely love to dive deeper into as well in an episode.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

Yeah, yeah. And and you know, you know what else is really neat about the moon is how it does uh impact the tides, right? So the high tide, low tide, it impacts all of that. And uh, you know, every once in a while you'll have like a like a super moon or like the blood red moon, you know, all these cool things. Some of those super moons, I don't know if you've ever seen them, but yeah, yeah, like my wife and I, we were coming home one night and it was a supermoon, and it was massive. I mean, it was huge, and we were like, whoa, we're like, wait a minute, like, is that a super moon? Like, this is cool, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Like, that's neat. I I would like to know how does that happen? The whole super how does it grow by like 10x when there's a super moon? What is the explanation for that?

SPEAKER_01 52:55

I don't even really know the science. I I honestly don't really know.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Um because that's insane how it can like it looks like it just moved closer for a little while and then backed off again.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Yeah, and then it backs off. Yeah, yeah, it's like almost like an optical illusion, a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

Yeah, that's that's I don't know. I I would love to know the science behind that. How does the moon grow 10x in size for a for one day and then or two days or whatever, and then go back to I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

Yeah, yeah. So okay, so going back to the moon landing, right? Um, what do you think? What's what's the verdict, right? Like, if you compare 1969 to what they just did with Artemis, what do you think? Do you think we actually landed on the moon?

SPEAKER_02 53:43

I gotta be honest with you, man. I don't. Like like my my my instincts of how long I've been alive and everything I've been told to to believe in terms of we landed on the moon, tells me yes. But the technology and the the perilousness of the journey when you really dissect it, and we barely scratch the surface of how dangerous that journey actually was. Yeah. That tells me no. It doesn't make sense to me. For me, it's a no. You don't think so? I don't think so. I think it's BS. I think it was an attempt at distraction from the um uh the protesting of the Vietnam War. It's a classic government tactic.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

A Psyop. You think it's a PSYOP?

SPEAKER_02 54:36

Yeah. I mean, oh there's a there's a new war going on. Yeah, but look what Diddy did. You know, that's exactly what they do, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:46

True, true, yeah. Psyop. I mean, you know, case in point, right? Like release the Epstein files. Hey, we attacked Iran. Everyone's like, what?

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Nobody's talking about those files anymore.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Yeah, where the files go. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

I don't know. Who cares? Iran, right? Yeah, think of the flashy thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

I you know, I think you know, the the hard part I have with it is just you're right. Like there's there's multiple parts, multiple steps of this journey, right? From the from Earth to the moon, multiple parts that all kind of have to align, everything sort of has to work out perfectly, and there's so many variables. Like, like maybe what I'm saying is there's an order of operations, and it's like the order has to be correct in this chain, this really long, difficult chain of operations to pull this off. One thing goes wrong, yeah. One thing goes wrong, like Apollo 13, right? Like what one thing goes wrong, what do we do? And you're telling me that everything worked out perfectly. We somehow took the V2 rocket from something that we were, you know, we something that the Germans were blasting into the United Kingdom. We turned it into a space rocket. We then had like a capsule, the people magically went to the moon, then they managed managed to magically blast off the moon and come all the way back. Camera panned up the whole time, too. Camera camera panned up following great angle, by the way. Great angle. I mean, it looked looked really impressive. Uh you can kind of see like where even even people back then were like calling bullshit on it. Like, what? Like, I don't know, man. Like, like, is this really believable? You know?

SPEAKER_02 56:39

So for you, what's the verdict?

SPEAKER_01 56:42

God, oh, that's a tough one. Um, you know, if you just told me, like, hey, we sent a probe to the moon and crashed it into the surface, I I would say, yeah, I could believe that. I'd buy that. I think the the part that I have a hard time with is that we landed, did took these actions, got out our crumpled flag out of a you know, plastic bag and put it up there, and then we got back in the ship. Somehow we still have air. You know, I mean, like, there's so many variables, like when you ask those follow-up questions, like we we got out of the suits, we still have air, everything's great, and then we blast it off, and then somehow we got on the perfect trajectory back to Earth, we landed in the right spot. It's like I just feel like it's too many things to be believable. So I think I do kind of lean towards, I don't know if they actually did that. Like, I feel like they've got the some of the camera stuff for like the flybys and stuff. Yeah, I think that's all real. But but the actual like moon landing video in the like the pictures of it are just they're very hard. It's hard to make that leap to say that they did that 50 years ago, you know.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

Yeah, yeah. Post or pre pre-cell phones, pre-internet, pre pretty much pre every piece of technology we have computer chips, right?

SPEAKER_01 58:16

I mean, you're in you your car is a big comp uh, everything's a computer now, right? This is like pre-computer. You didn't even have power windows at the time. Great point, right? Like, like they like roll up windows and stuff. You know, like what like like they did they still have the beads on the seat? Remember, remember those? I remember my grandparents had like the old like Ford truck with the bench seats, and they would have like the beads that you sat on that they were like hard as a rock, but they thought it looked good. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

Yeah, no power locks, no power windows, no cruise control.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

We didn't even have CD player, we didn't we didn't even have a tape player, you know. Uh A track. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

I I just I can't I can't make that leap either.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

It's it's it's tough. And and I I think you know, it would be much more believable if we we established a moon base, you know, and it's like, yeah, we've been there ever since, right? I mean it it's it's weird to think about exploration in a way that we made it and then we just never went back. What? Like, like we don't we don't do that anywhere, anywhere. I mean, all over this planet, wherever we explore to, then there's people there, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah, we we colonize, that's what we do.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

Yeah, so how is it that, you know, and again, when you talk about the quote space race, right? The US competing against Russia, Russia didn't go, hey, well, we're gonna build a base if you're not. They didn't do it either. Yeah, neither did China, you know, uh Japan. I mean, all the different countries that have space programs, as far as I'm aware, nobody's got a base on the moon. No one, no, not one person.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

How is it that no one's done this? It doesn't make sense, doesn't add up. They haven't done it because we don't have the technology to do it. Otherwise, they would. There would probably be countries, there would probably be divisions of property and land on the moon already, with like you said, research stations and stuff like that, uh, already there. I have no doubt. We would have been there, the presence would be there the whole, at least for the last 30 years, 20, 30 years, there'd be something there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

You know, at the very least, we would have set up a mattress store, a taco shop, a storage unit place. I mean, these are all the businesses that kill it wherever they're at. We would have set them up there.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

Or how about something even more rudimentary? Like, I don't know, uh, unmanned station that can warn us of stuff like asteroids coming in our direction. I mean, it's not like the earth has never been smashed by an asteroid before, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

Well, well, and and think about this. Think about telescopes, right? Why wouldn't we put a like a big telescope on like let's say the dark side of the moon? Why wouldn't we do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Exactly. We could learn so much more, we could see so much further. It doesn't have to be manned necessarily.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

Yeah. Doesn't make sense. It it makes me feel like no one's been there. You know, that's that's kind of how I feel about it. It's like I feel like it's a fantastic claim that you can't really verify truthfully. And you know, they could say, like, oh yeah, well, we got moon dust. How do I know?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Source, trust me, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Yeah, exactly. It's trust me, bro. It's like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, it's there's no moisture in it. Well, how do I know you didn't just take moisture out of a clump of dirt, right? Like, what? What do you mean you got moon dust? Or you know, it's like, well, we got rocks, and it's like, well, how do I know you didn't just get those from Earth? There's there's tons of meteorites that hit Earth. You could just take in those rocks.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

I think that here here's the fundamental difference for me. In this between like 69 and 72, the government didn't have a generally accepted reputation of being full of shit, right? People generally back then just believed or took whatever the government said for the most part at face value, right? We could go through hundreds of incidents, and people are just generally. I mean, you got some people like ah, this isn't adding up, but they're easily silenced with no internet, no podcasts, no nothing to kind of express their opinions, right? So they kind of fizzle out into white noise. But generally, people had a trusting relationship with the government. That is not the situation today. Nobody trusts the government anymore. Yeah, they have been exposed for so many lies on so many levels, so now it's like the boy who cried wolf. Well, we don't believe you even if you could prove it, because you've been full of shit for so long, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

So I think that's a big problem. What about this? So here's here's one last rabbit hole for the episode. So, do you know David Grush? No, so he's this whistleblower that's come out now from the US side talking about UFO recovery and whatnot, right? And supposedly the first UFO recovery was 1933 in Mussolini's Italy. Uh, supposedly a UFO crashed, and somehow they facilitated it through the Catholic Church, somehow to America, and America supposedly got a hold of this thing. That's what he says. He said, that's the first one, right? Now, what's interesting is that Roswell, I think, was 1957, okay. And at the time, there were supposedly multiple crash type things that occurred around New Mexico, right? So I kind of wonder that, you know, just throwing this out there, what if those crash retrievals are real? And what if they simply said, hey, we're gonna like dip a toe in the pool, but we're not jumping all the way in. You know, I mean, we're not we're not going swimming in the ocean here. You know, we're gonna kind of like dip a toe in the pool, uh, say that we did it, you know, uh supposedly get some dust or something, or put up a satellite, call it good, because we don't want to we don't want to go down that road of this shit that just crashed over here, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:09

I don't believe that. Huh? I 100% believe that. Absolutely, absolutely. It's it's not even and that's not even far-fetched, right? That's not even like compared to everything. I mean, that that's that would make all the sense in the world. I I was unaware of the Catholic Church part of it, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Yeah, yeah. Well, uh think about this. So, you know, I was telling you about the supposed species of aliens. So there's the gray aliens that Bob Lazar refers to as the children. They're like the little guys, right? Like three feet tall. Okay. Then you have supposedly a taller version, then you have those Nordics, the blonde haired, blue-eyed, that it's sort of like there could be like an us from the future kind of time travel UFO type deal. Then you have the Quote reptilians that have the reptile-ish look, and then you have the insectoids. Okay, the insectoids that look like a preying mantis. So now this could all be pure bullshit, but let's say that in these UFO retrievals, they got some bodies, which supposedly they did, that they refer to as biologics. And they come from all different areas. Some of them are probably already here on Earth. You know, there's lots of talk about them coming out of the oceans and stuff already being here, right? So if all of that is true, then maybe they only wanted to press this issue so far. And they kind of went as far as, like, hey, you know, we're gonna let's let's go down the rabbit hole for this moon thing. Let's let's claim a win here and then kind of back off a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

That's that's what I think too. That's what I said. Like when you asked what the far side of the dark side of the moon, it's like maybe they just decided that maybe this is as far as we probably should push this envelope, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

Yeah, and that could be true, right? And you know, you got to think about this too, like like fuel, right? Fuel economy. How do you even get back and forth? How do you have enough fuel for this journey? Um, you know, just the logistics of this thing that you don't have a staging area, you know, like think of like uh like uh jets and like big uh military planes, they'll refuel in the air with another plane that has uh jet fuel, right? But you can't do that on this journey to the moon. There there is no midway stop. It's it's like you gotta go from point A to point B. There's no rest area in between.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right, which is why they need to build a space station out there where there is a rest area in between. But they they haven't done it. Why? Well, I mean, I'll I'll answer your rabbit hole with one of my own. The theory of maybe part of an agreement is that technology is being given to the governments to limit how much they explore in that aspect, which is why we've seen so many amazing technological advancements in just in yours and mine in our lifetime, when you think back of how how quickly things have accelerated from, like we said, no, no, from roll-up windows, no power windows, no power locks, to uh internet to cell phone advancement. How fast cell phones have evolved too, to smartphones, to tablets, to to everything we have today. That's that's a conspiracy that I've heard as well. That you know, we're either being given technology slowly, uh, that can be controlled. That's that's not really you know threatening in on a on a global scale in terms of you know nuclear weapons or anything like that, but and maybe that's part of the agreement. We just government just because when you think about it, they didn't even want to tell people they knew aliens were real till the last handful of years. Because they if they didn't trust that people could handle the fact that the aliens were existed, how would they hand how would general pop they feel the general population would handle aliens exist and they're telling us that if we don't stop space exploration and pushing these envelopes, then they're gonna destroy us, right?

unknown 1:09:41

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:42

How would people handle that? So think about this too. So here's another thing that supposedly um there was a there was a UFO sighting, I think, somewhere near Minot Air Force Base, uh North Dakota, right? And they had the nuclear um ballistics missiles, right? And supposedly all the systems deactivated like all at once. The UFO did something, totally messed with all their equipment, turned everything off, right? There's a video out there too, and I don't I don't 100% know if it's real. It's another one of these ones that good luck debunking it. But it is a what appears to be a missile test, a nuclear missile test, and there looks like a UFO that flies in the frame, kind of hits it with some sort of beam, and then the missile blows up like 10 seconds later. So who's to say, yeah, that they're kind of like, hey, we'll let you get a little bit, but we're not we're not letting you like don't don't build a base on the moon. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:55

So so we think we're like exploring and you know, go reach for the stars, you know, the galaxy. And the reality is is it's like the prison guard going, hey, you know, I'll let you go from your cell to the prison yard, but you're not climbing over the wall.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:12

Yeah, exactly. We're not maybe the phone we're not ready. We can't even we can't even treat our own planet and our own people properly.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:20

You can't even uh do do your bags properly at the grocery store.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

No, exactly. I'm incompetent completely. I'm supposed to be trusted with meeting other races, probably not a good idea, right? Uh I'll immediately offend something.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

Well, and you know the other thing that scientists say, they say that um if there was ever a signal that came to us from uh like an alien species that we should not answer back. They say that because honestly, if there's a species that theoretically can get to us, they're way beyond us. You know, like we we think in terms of like, hey, you know, the mankind has evolved uh 2,000 years since Jesus, you know, ADBC, right? I mean, you go back 10,000 years and what's after no, no one knows, right? But for for some of these other theoretical civilizations, they could be millions of years beyond us, you know. And what would we have to offer?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

Nothing by labor work, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Yeah, I mean what what do we offer? I mean, do we have something good we can give them? There's got to be something we've invented, like a hamburger or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

I mean yeah, I I I agree with that theory. It's it's you know, the the odds are if they can contact us, they are more advanced than us. And if they're more advanced than us, what interest would they possibly have in peaceful coexistence with us?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:48

I don't know. I don't know. I've heard a lot of really weird stuff lately on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

Well, usually relationships are um co-beneficial, symbiotic, yes. Yeah, how would we be beneficial in a relationship? Again, it goes back to we can't even treat each other properly. You've got left, you've got right, you've got racism, you've got all like how how we're expected to be responsible with uh with uh an alien you throw an alien race into the mix, yeah, that wants a relationship, like there's not gonna be racism coming from us when it comes to that as well. Like I don't know, it just doesn't make sense, but maybe a topic for another time. I gotta start getting ready for my next podcast. It's a busy day for me, so alrighty, but this has been a good one, man. I think that we should go into uh more more of these uh conspiracy theories as we move forward, these are fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

Yeah, I you know, maybe we'll do a full-blown uh aliens sci-fi episode because I I got a lot of stuff I could cover in that one. That could be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

Let's do it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

All right, all right, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

Well, thank you once again for joining us on the paradigm shift. Let us know what you think. Did we land on the moon, or is it all just a big scam? Let us know down below, and we will see you guys in the next one. God bless.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

God bless, and hashtag psyop.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Boom.