Paradigm Shift Podcast: 9/11 conspiracy theories

Rob & Jesse Explore Many Of The 9/11 conspiracy theories, Which Ones Sound Realistic & Which Ones Sound Impossible, Don't Miss This Must See Break Down

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

We are back on the paradigm shift. How's it going, guys? Welcome back to the program. I am, of course, Big Rob back with Jesse. What's going on, buddy?

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hey man, it is uh good good to be back. I know uh you were missing in action, so I'm glad we were able to recover you and get you back into the uh real world so that we can return to the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Yeah, I was hanging out in the metaverse. I kind of got lost there. All right, so yes, we are in fact back. I had family in town, so we took uh about a week and a half off, but we are back for your listening pleasure. So make sure you give us a five-star review because you love us, and let's get into it. Today we're gonna talk about 9-11 conspiracies.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Yeah, this this one is a uh a real anthill of a topic. And let me let me just say before we get into any of the conspiracies, that uh 9 9-11 was obviously real, it obviously impacted thousands of lives, the people that uh died during the events as well as the ones that died in the years following and the fallout to the families and all of that. So um, you know, we are very mindful of that. Let me just say that part of about this up front. Now, that being said, I I want to get into the conspiracies because there's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Oh, yeah. Yeah, just because we dive into conspiracy theories, we love going down those rabbit holes, and our numbers are showing us, our analytics are showing us that you guys love that as well. So we're gonna give you more of what you want. So it's not that we don't take these topics seriously, it's just fun to explore and go down these rabbit holes, as a lot of you know. So, all right. So, I gotta say, first off, when this whole thing happened, uh, I don't know if you remember where you were, but I was actually out at a cabin with my at-the-time girlfriend with no uh no connection to the world, no phones, no TVs. I mean, we probably had radio, but we weren't listening to it, right? So I didn't actually know that this took place until like six in the evening when I came back into the city and people were like devastated. And I was like, What? So, where were you when this happened? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Yeah, I was in college, and at the time I was living in an apartment with three other random roommates, and I woke up and I could hear one of my roommates in the living room where the TV was going on and on and on about this thing and that thing and whatever. And I was thinking, what is he? It was early in the morning and he was like going nuts in the living room, right? And uh, and ironically, the same guy uh later had to go to like anger management and stuff like that. So I didn't know if he was just sort of going off on something. And I thought, you know, God, it's too early. Like, what is happening here, you know?

SPEAKER_01 3:01

So back to bed.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Yeah, exactly. So I I end up stumbling out of my room, like, what is happening? And they're like, they're like, hey man, like, look at this, like, you know, plane, planes have hit, you know, twin towers, this is insane. I was like, what the heck? Like what? And they're like, yeah, it might be a terrorist attack, and well, you know, everybody was going nuts, right? And uh, and I gotta admit, I mean, it was it was uh shocking, you know, to see it in real time. I mean, like most people, it's it's kind of like if uh, you know, like the challenger blowing up, like there's certain events that you just sort of remember where you were. Like I remember when half of the Oklahoma City uh building blew up, you know, like stuff like that. But um this is where I was. So I was in college, roommate was going off, and I walked out, and both the towers were there smoking, and that was before they came down. So pretty wild.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah, it's well exactly. It kind of surreal when something like that happens because I mean, obviously, and and thankfully, it doesn't happen on it's very rare. So when so you're almost in disbelief that it's true.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah, yeah, there were so many things about that that um were just a like you said, almost almost like you're in shock. You can't believe what you're watching. Um, because you know, I remember seeing like the buildings on fire and the people like hanging at the edge of the building on like the you know the 80th floor, and then like people just like falling out of the buildings. Like that was mind-blowing, you know. I mean, I've never I don't think I've seen anything that crazy since then, to be honest, or that uh kind of stark shocking of event, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Oh, absolutely, and it did produce a lot of conspiracy theories. I mean, there's footage of people. Uh I remember there was wasn't there a broadcast of somebody filming, like a news broadcast filming the attack on the towers before they were hit, and in the background you can see the tower still standing. There's nothing they're like pre-recording it or something. That's kind of a pretty big oversight. I don't know how true that would be. Who would be stupid enough as someone organizing a conspiracy and pre-filming it to be the first ones to get the news out to leave the towers behind the reporter in the background, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yeah, you know, maybe I don't I don't know. I mean, let's be honest, though. This is New York, they're probably out there filming a news story all day long, day, night, whatever. I mean, the the city that doesn't sleep, right? So there could have easily been film crews filming those buildings. And at the time, I mean, I don't I don't know if you remember, like, you know, I remember like from the 80s, like those buildings were the symbol of New York City, those two buildings, right? I mean, it was kind of like like damn, like that's New York, you know. Like I remember kind of going back in time, like, you know, like the those original like Ninja Turtle movies, it was like, wow, like they're in New York, like this is crazy, you know, and like the Twin Towers would be there, you know, or you'd see him in like uh I think it was maybe it was the second home alone when he went to New York. He's actually at the top of the Twin Towers at one point, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Yeah, doesn't he meet Trump in that movie?

SPEAKER_00 6:34

He does he he does, yeah. Yeah, fun fact he meets Trump at the uh at the plaza hotel because Trump owned it. And at the time, Trump had this rule that if you were going to use one of his properties in a film, then you had to give him a cameo in it.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Why not? Screw it, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Yeah, so that's how he got in that movie, but anyway, that's not really the point of today.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Yeah, but for me, one of the more prevalent conspiracy theories that I personally heard in my life when it came to 9-11, as I kind of alluded to with you uh off camera, was the missing gold and silver. Right now, uh there is a conspiracy theory about gold and silver missing or being looted from the World Trade Center vaults on 9-11. It's not usually one of the top 10 core theories, but uh it is a popular one that circles. So, what the theories claim, proponents say huge amounts of gold and silver were stored in underground vaults, mainly under for World Trade Center, operated by Comex, right, which is an exchange, obviously, right? Um much of it went missing or was secretly removed or looted before or during the attacks. The attacks provide provided cover for the theft or insiders, some sometimes tied to a broader inside job uh or even uh anti-Semitic claims about Jewish control of gold markets profited from it. Recovery stories don't add up. Some point to attempted break-ins at the vaults or trucks allegedly seen hauling gold away under suspicious circumstances. The official record, however, says there were large precious metals deposits, approximately 379,036 ounces of gold or 11.8 tons, and over 29 million ounces of silver stored in the vaults beneath four World Trade Center building. Uh at the time the gold was vaulted at roughly uh was valued, sorry, at roughly 100 to 110 million dollars. After the towers collapsed, recovery teams, including banks, armored trucks, eventually retrieved apparently all the gold and silver from the uh rubble. It was documented, secured, and returned to the owners. There was one confirmed attempted break-in uh with scorch marks and stuff like that. But again, if we're talking conspiracy theories, these are official reports, and how often are official reports 100% truth? Probably never.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Well, you know, they say that um history is told by the victor, right? That's 100% true. So, you know what's what's interesting about that whole conspiracy theory is I don't know if you remember, um, there was a diehard movie that came out called Die Hard with a Vengeance. Oh, yeah, and yeah, and it was the one where they were stealing gold, and I'm pretty sure it was in New York. It it's basically the exact theme of what you just said. Um now, the thing about stealing gold is that it is physical, it is heavy, and it would take a big operation to steal gold or to mask it and move it somewhere or whatnot. Now, that's not to say that somebody couldn't pull that off in some way, shape, or form, because you know, it it's a magic trick, right? You you make a you get the user's eye to look one direction and then you the slide of hand in the other direction, and all of a sudden there's no gold. So um, I I could see that one being true, uh, but you know, it here's the thing too. Like in today's world, you would have cameras on everything. Back then, you you probably had some sort of a camera, but that's back in the days of like a VCR tape, and you know, for all we know, all that could have gotten blown up or or whatever, right? So could could you have gotten away with it? I I think for that era, possibly. Now, you would still have to move it somewhere, like, where would it go, right? I mean, like, that's 11 tons of gold is a lot of gold. So, you know, I mean, you are you moving that by like in diehard, they did it with like like dump trucks or something like that, you know. And and it was like, okay, where are you gonna put it? Like, are you putting it in a warehouse? Are you putting it on a boat? Are you putting it on a train?

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yeah, how do you well, how do you off-ramp it, right? It's gotta be marked, no?

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah, I I mean, you know, the this is this is one of the big hindrances of gold is the physical space and weight of it, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:43

I mean good luck hopping on a plane with a bag of gold.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, I mean, it'd be really difficult, right? And and usually with things like this, you know, it's kind of like a uh like a heist at like a uh museum or something, right? Like you may get away with it for a little while, but eventually you've got gold bars. Like, how are you gonna exchange that for something that you can actually use, you know?

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Yeah, you'd have to off-ramp it in a in a country that is not exactly you know willing to tell the US, hey, we you know, like Iran or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Well, it you know, when the Nazis stole gold in World War II, and it wasn't just gold jewelry, it was gold teeth also. Uh, they took it all and melted it down into their own bars, right? But again, you would have to have a facility to be able to do that too.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah, I was gonna say you'd need the resources to do that. That's that's no you can't just you know get a cast iron pod and hold it over a fire, throw in bars, and you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, at the end of the day, is this conspiracy true or false? I think this one would be a lot harder to pull off when you start asking those follow-up questions. So I could see this one maybe being false, but maybe there's a little truth in there that maybe somebody did steal something that they got away with, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Somebody's pockets probably got lined. There's always a shade of gray in there, right? Yeah, yeah. What's your most popular uh conspiracy theory about 9-11 that that is most prevalent that you've heard uh throughout the years?

SPEAKER_00 13:33

There are multiple. There's there's multiple. Okay, so let me go into the one that we talked about off-camera. I just saw a video on this one the other day. All right, and this one kind of has me thinking in light of recent events with the murder of Charlie Kirk, with Jeffrey Epstein, and the the honey pot uh that that whole thing is. Um you know, publicly people don't like to allude that this could tie back to, you know, a specific country. And it appears that uh, by all accounts, those events do. Now, the latest one that I saw was it was a news video, uh, and it was it was from that era, and the lady was looking out her apartment, and she's looking out her apartment, and it faced faced where the twin towers were, and the towers were on fire, and then they were coming down, right? And she said that there were multiple men in the parking lot of her building that were standing on top of the roof of like a van or something, and they were celebrating the towers coming down. So, so that in itself is very, very odd, right? Why, why would you be celebrating a terrorist attack unless you're a terrorist? I mean, it's it kind of makes no sense, right? And so supposedly the story is that she called the cops or FBI on these guys, and they were able to track them down and arrest them. And so it's five guys, right? Not the burgers, but five guys. So, so of these five guys, it turns out that all five are Israeli. Okay. Two of them they they determine over time were actually Massad agents. So the Massad is like the Israeli version of, let's say, the CIA or the FBI, kind of a little bit of both, right? Um, and the Massad in particular is known for blowing things up, right? So um there was a movie that uh Steven Spielberg did called Munich, and that movie was about the Israeli Mossad getting revenge on Iran for killing their Olympic athletes. And in the movie, they tracked down each of the killers and blew them up, okay. In recent years, the Israelis used the exploding pagers with Hamas. So they knew Hamas was using pagers. They set explosives in there and they did it in such a way that it would kill the the holder of the pager, but no one else. So they're known to do this, okay? So in this story, though, the five that are arrested they end up being held for somewhere around two and a half to three months. They determine who they are, they're all Israeli, two are Mossad, and at the end of this story, they're supposedly deported back to Israel. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Really? That's that's the consequence of this wow.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Yes, and and under interrogation, supposedly, the story is that none of their what they were saying added up, nothing was consistent, they couldn't really explain what they were doing or why they were celebrating these towers coming down. They were all foreign, and at the end of the day, they simply got deported.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Do you think it's possible that the report is that they were deported, but they actually ended up in Guantanamo Bay or something?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

No, no way. There's no way they would have ended up there.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Really, eh?

SPEAKER_00 17:33

No, no, not the relationship that Israel has with the U.S. And what you gotta understand is that Israel has the most powerful lobby in the entire US, which is APAC, which pays for let's say three-quarters of all politicians in the U.S. government. Of course. So there is no way in hell that an Israeli is going to be sitting in Guantanamo. There's no way.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Interesting.

unknown 18:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Interesting. So so now what that alludes to, though, I didn't get to this part. What did they do? Right? And this goes to the conspiracy theory of a controlled demolition.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yes, I was reading that. Continue.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Yeah. So so the theory here kind of goes something like this. The only time in history that steel I-beam buildings have fallen and pancaked on themselves from a terrorist attack was 9-11. The only time in history, right? Also, I think it's World Trade Center 6, I think was the one that was 60 or 70 stories, that it also fell straight down on top of itself. And it is the only other example in recorded history of a steel I-beam-framed building pancaking down on itself. Now, the towers obviously were hit by the story was, you know, in what's on videos, they were hit by jet liners. We know that's true. Jet liners are full of jet fuel. Supposedly, they were all international flights, so they would have had a lot of jet fuel, and jet fuel burns very hot. Now, concrete um under intense heat will crumble and will go bad. But the steel I-beams, I mean, that's got to get really, really hot to do that, right? And the the weird thing, like with the World Trade Center buildings, is they were really kind of like an outer shell, right? Like the way that those buildings were made, even flying a jet liner in there should not have theoretically brought that building down. And it shouldn't have compromised it in a way that it would start going down the way that it did, right? And I want to say that I think there was an allegation somewhere about a demolition crew that was supposedly in the World Trade Center like the week or two before, and they were using a certain explosive. Uh, it starts with an A, I can't think of the name of it, that they were saying something about it with those steel I-beams. And what's what's just really, really weird about the whole thing is that the towers are pancaked straight down, both of them, and then the the cherry on top is that building six, that nothing hit it, nothing, but it just decided on its own to pancake straight down. It fainted. I mean, think about that. Like, how does how does that happen? And again, the only time in recorded history where this has occurred.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, from my understanding, it was kind of like uh the same way that they would tear down like an old casino in Vegas or something. They would you know it implodes and collapses in in on itself, not explodes and and you know, destroys everything around it, right? So that's kind of how for the listeners, that's kind of how they that that these buildings kind of went down. Was it wasn't an explosion where things went flying outwards, it was a more of an implosion where as Jesse alluded to, they pancaked or crumbled down on themselves straight down.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Right. And and think about this think of with the towers, right? Like, think about like the Titanic. The Titanic, when it broke, you know, the bow broke, the ship breaks in half, right? So if you think about like like the twin towers, if the Build if if the airplane flew into let's say the top third, something like that of the building, or right around the midpoint, or whatever it was, you know, 60th, 80th floor. Shouldn't if if the heat was so hot in the jet fuel where it punctured it, that would have been the weak point. And the top of the building, if you think about it, wouldn't it have like bent over or like given way and fallen off of the top versus the whole thing pancaking from the bottom straight down?

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, you're hitting something from that high up from an from an angle, like from you know, from one side. Yeah, you're gonna, it's not just gonna go all and then collapse down, it's going to come out the other side, right? Of the opposite side of the impact. It's gonna push that way. It's not gonna collapse down inside, and nothing just goes out the opposite direction.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Correct. And and think about this too. Here's another really interesting thing to think about is all of the skyscrapers, the really big ones, the newer ones in New York, they all have counterweights that are high up in the skyscraper. And so a counterweight basically swings back and forth because the building uh swings back and forth with the wind. So the counterweight is up there to keep it as straight as possible so that when you're on those upper floors, you're not feeling the whole thing, you know, going back and forth, right? So if you think about those jet liners going into the building, what are the odds that they like damage the counterweight uh when they did that or this explosion or the counterweight is messed up? That's a weak point. Let's say the concrete is failing. If anything, again, I feel like the top would have tipped over. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but no, I I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

It's it's it's just gravity, really, at the end of the day. It's right, it's physics, it's you know. Um another another interesting theory I saw, which kind of plays into this, was so we know the Pentagon was hit too. Yeah right now the theory is that it was actually a missile, not a plane that hit the Pentagon because um because the hole in the Pentagon was too small for a Boeing 747, you know, in a missile would be theoretically more accurate to to that. So what are your thoughts on that? Now, me personally, I think it was a plane, I don't think it was a missile, because when you've got missiles launching in US um you know, US uh territory here, uh skies, that's not something that goes undetected by the military, right? Right, right, that doesn't just fly under there's a there's a plane flying in US sky uh air with missiles. That just doesn't just go, right? We saw what happened with a freaking air balloon or whatever it was, they thought it was an alien crap, they shot that down, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Well, you you know the thing with with this conspiracy is that it's there there are multiple parts of it, right? And it's like that's kind of hard to believe, the the missile theory, because you know, it's like let's be honest, can the government coordinate anything successfully well? No, they really can't, you know, like maybe certain actors in the government, like yeah, maybe you've got like uh some rogue part, you know, and some secretive branch or something like that, but an actual missile, I don't know, you know, and and like the other thing too with with the Pentagon is they say, well, there were like no plane parts supposedly, or there was really nothing there, right? Well, I mean, if if you take a jetliner and you fly it straight into the side of a mountain at 600 miles an hour, what do you think is gonna be left?

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah, exactly, right? It's not just gonna be intact parts sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

No, no. I I mean, you know, it's like, well, we we didn't find the wheels. It's like, uh, I don't think the wheels are exist anymore.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

Um that's a good way to put it, they don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Yeah, you know, so you know, like like that was one of the big arguments is they said, like, well, where are all the plane parts? And it's like, well, honestly, I mean, all that all that stuff could have simply burned up. I mean, it it really could have just burned up entirely. Um, so I I think when it comes to the the Pentagon, I tend to believe that uh it probably was an airliner. I think there is a slow-mo video somewhere that kind of showed it from a side angle going. Um, and I I do think that one is real. Now what's interesting is I think it's flight flight 83. Was 83 the one that that crashed in Pennsylvania or 89, whatever it was. Um this was another one of the planes that this was supposed to go to. Where was that one going to? I don't even remember now. Um flight flight 83, I think. Anyway, it was one of the planes that was supposedly hijacked. And the story was that the um the people on the plane fought back and crashed the plane on purpose, right? That was that was the story of that one. Now, I think that story is it's it's a good one that we want to believe, that we want to think is true, but I don't know if it actually is, you know, like because that was the last plane, right? Yeah, and at at the time, like you said, I mean, you know, the moment the first two hit, it was like the jets are on alert, right? Yeah, and you have another plane that's flying that is apparently hijacked, that no one can get through to. And you know, like some of the stories didn't really make sense. Like, like some of the people saying like they were trying to talk to their loved one or whoever. I mean, try making a phone call from an airliner with no no service. I mean, like it, I don't know. There's some there's some weird parts about that whole thing, and I think what probably happened was that I think a uh jet probably shot that one down, to be honest. I don't know if necessarily the passengers did it. Let's let's believe that they did, but likely, probably a jet shot it down.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Well, that bleeds into the uh another theory is that NORAD and the US Air Force were ordered to stand down and not intercept the hijacked planes. Uh, and most blame uh Dick Cheney or other officials for deliberately allowing it to happen. To what end is my question on that?

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah, yeah. Well, think about like this think of optics, right? Think of the optics of the US military firing a missile into a commercial airliner and killing everyone on board. That's not a good optic, you know, at all. Now, at the same time, would I put it past somebody giving the order like, hey, this plane's gonna fly into some other high value target, shoot it down now. I I think somebody may have may have pulled pulled the trigger on that order for sure. I could totally see that going on, but I could equally see them denying it and saying, hey, you know, let's let's just put out a narrative that you know the people on the plane flop back and they were heroic, and that's that's actually what happened, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Well, that that's absolutely right. And people need to understand that that I mean, I know you see it in movies and stuff, and it's like, oh, it's it's a movie, it's fiction, whatever, but like that stuff probably happens where you see something happen, like this, for example, like 9-11, and what happens? The administration, the staff, they probably all pile into the Oval Office and they start figuring out what the narrative is they want to put out there, right? They don't just say, Okay, let's get the truth out there to everybody.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

That's that's that's not how it works.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Yeah, they start making shit up, right? What what how can we spin this, right? And that's that's the way that it works. I know you see it in movies and stuff, but that's I'm I'm pretty positive. I'd be willing to bet that's exactly how it happens in in real life. It's how do we spin this? What's the narrative, right? People are literally paid for that reason. Find us a narrative in this that makes us look the best, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah, yeah. You know what's what's really weird in this whole thing is all of the hijackers were Saudi, an ally of America, right? They're all they're all Saudi. All the guys that were the supposed hijackers. The Israeli part about it, with them celebrating, again, another ally of America that we funnel, you know, billions of dollars to a year, right? And it it's there's some really, really like shady aspects of this, where again, you know, like what you're told in public is nowhere near the reality. And with some of these countries, you know, like like the thing with like Israel, for example, is you know, you got to think about like like what do they gain from from this, or you know, what is their objective, right? And like Israel is a country that is surrounded by countries that hate their guts, right? Like there, there is nobody around them that's like, yeah, we like that guy. They're like the neighbor in the neighborhood that everybody hates, right? And if you think about it, all they are is one little country that its entire survival is based on the US backing them, right? And they're gonna do everything they can to ensure their survival. Insert the honey trap of Jeffrey Epstein, right? Yeah, insert this Charlie Kirk thing because he was coming out publicly against them, okay. All of a sudden, you know, you know, and none of that adds up. That's a whole conspiracy episode on its own, which by the way, maybe we'll do one on both of those. Um but you know, if if you think about it, like like they have a lot of they have a lot of incentive here, they really do. Um on the Saudi front, that one's kind of weird because you know, they've got more money than they need. Um, yeah, we're an ally, and maybe maybe this ensures part of that. And so what I'm getting at with this is that post-9-11 is the one and only time in history when NATO has been activated. Okay. So for those who don't know, NATO was formed after World War II. An attack against one is an attack against all, right? This is the one and only time in history they activated NATO when they went into Afghanistan and Iraq, right? That's really weird, too.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Yeah. No coincidences.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

Yeah, I mean, come on, come on. I mean, real like this. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

I heard something. Um, I remember hearing a lot of people blaming the demise of Hussein, Saddam Hussein, uh triggering this whole thing as allegedly he was kind of the reason that terrorism could or terrorists couldn't make their way through Iran. Um and him being removed from power or removed from existence, um, was kind of opened the doors for this to kind of happen. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Well, the US has a very complicated relationship with the Middle East, and it it usually all goes back to like our own interference, some way, shape, or form, then results in a worse outcome that we try to fix, then results in a worse outcome, and it just keeps getting worse and worse, right? And like the thing with Saddam Hussein was I'm pretty sure the US had backed him at one point in time, yeah, gave him all the military equipment, gave him this significant military, and then with the significant military, he's sitting there going, Well, why the, you know, this Kuwait's next door, take it over, you know why not? Like we could easily do this.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

I think they saw him as a controllable, you know, a controllable asset, like someone in charge over there that they could um they could maneuver in whichever direction they wanted to by backing him.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah, yeah. I I I think if you look at it, it's kind of like you can see the CIA's handprints all over this stuff, that they basically picked somebody that they thought they could control, they gave him wealth, power, and an army, and then he stepped out of line. Yeah, and it messed everything up, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

So, so yeah, so I mean the theory is that uh that was kind of like the first domino in the whole 9-11 eventuality was him being hung.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Right, but you know, another thing too, going to Afghanistan is we also bankrolled Afghanistan when they were against Russia, right? So we supplied them with arms for years and years and years, and then lo and behold, they step out of line, it all goes to shit, and uh, you know, the terrorists start training there. And remember, um Bin Laden was Saudi, right? And and what he didn't like was all of America's sort of like meddling in the Middle East and doing all this stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Yeah, yeah, the uh the uh there was another, what was the other? I'm letting I'm just looking through the rest of these uh these theories here. Flight 93 was shot down. Uh but so I got a question for you. I don't know all the details on this, that's why I'm asking. How the hell did these guys get control of these planes in the first place?

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Okay, so it at that point in time they didn't have a lock on the door to the to the uh where the pilot was, right? There was no lock. So a lot of times, you know, they would have that door open. Uh, you know, the pilots would talk back and forth to like the flight attendants, whoever. Um, you know, the pilots, uh, you know, when they get in the air, they put it, they put it on autopilot, and then it's like, all right, I gotta get up, go to the bathroom, whatever. There were no locks. And also at that time, there was no TSA. So the the security that is that exists at the airport today did not exist back then. So you simply checked your bag, you walked through to your gate, and you were in. And so the story was that these guys supposedly had box cutters, so razor blades, and once they were on the plane, they got those out.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

There's no lock or wait, wait, wait, back up for a second. So they didn't have as much security back then in airports as today, but they still had security, right? You still had to go through security. Did you still? I don't know. I'm I'm not in the States. Did you really really?

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Hey, you just sauntered through and yeah, there's a lot of like movies from the 80s where you see like the people's family waiting for them at the gate, like, yeah, you know, waiting for them to come off the plane. Like, that doesn't exist today. So today there's this huge security checkpoint right after you check your bag. That didn't exist, none of that existed whatsoever. Really?

SPEAKER_01 38:33

Yeah, I can't imagine a time. I never flew a lot back then. I don't think I'd ever flown at all back then internationally, anyway. Like, even down to the states. I mean, I've I've flown to the states a lot now. So the only in my lifetime, even though I'm you know, we're the same age and mid-40s sitting over here. Um I wasn't flying at the time. So that is that is strange, a strange concept to me to think that you could just saunter through, buy your ticket, and just walk onto a plane that's so foreign to me.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, it it was a different era. I mean, now you go through TSA and you have a water bottle, they're gonna, you know, pull you aside and a costume for 35 minutes and then tell you you can't drink it, but you can't throw it away. Like you're supposed to walk back out to the parking lot with it or something.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

What am I supposed to do with this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Yeah, I'm like, it's a water bottle. Like, like they they did that to me. Uh funny, funny sidebar here. They did that to me on one of my recent flights, where one of the things you can do with TSA now is get what they refer to as TSA pre-check. So that basically means I've already been vetted, I've been background checked, you know everything about me. I paid the extra 75 bucks. Let me go through the fast way, right? Even still, I went through and they're like, Oh, what's going on here? You know, and they take my backpack, you know, and they're rummaging through my shit, right? And then it's like, well, what is it? It's a water bottle, you know? And and you know, it's like a half hour later, and I looked at him and I said, throw it away. Like, what are we doing here? Throw it away. Like, it's a water bottle. Like, what? And you know, like that's that's kind of like the the absurdity of of this whole thing is that like look at what 9-11 led to in terms of TSA. That you know, like one of the things in America that they like to pretend we don't do is racial profiling, right? Like, oh, we can't do racial profiling. But let's be honest, all of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Like, like there's there's definitely a clear profile of who hijacked the plane, right? Now, at the same time, they're over there accosting, you know, your 85-year-old grandmother, you know, and frisking grandpa and holding them for like an hour and a half, and then they throw away a water bottle.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

It's you know, I agree with you that it's something I talk about all the time. And it for me on a sidebar, it's not the topic, but it relates back to something else you and I have talked about, and that's racism, right? They say, well, you can't, you know, you can't judge. Well, listen, if uh if a black person, for example, if the only experiences and interactions they've ever had with a white person are bad and negative, they're not racist, they're just responding to their experiences in life based on these individuals. Well, it's the same thing with this. You can't just say, well, we can't, you know, profile these people coming onto a plane. You know, like like for me, I get I get random checked all the time because I'm a middle-aged white guy, and they gotta throw me into the mix, of course, just to make sure that they're not profiling, right? That's the only reason I'm there. Pick that guy, right? And whatever, I don't care, but it's like I we both know why you're checking me, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Well, think about this. You know, you you think about like absurdity, right? So I I was I was out with my wife recently, and uh she she took me to this uh antique shop, right? Hey, you need to go in here. We haven't been to this one. I was like, oh, cool, you know. So we're walking around through this antique shop, you know, you're run-of-the-mill, typical antiques or whatever. Eventually I get to a section of the store that is like a military booth area, like somebody that clearly is a collector that's got all this military stuff, right? And it's like one Nazi SS uniform after another, like multiple. They've got the hats, they got the helmets, they got the jacket, they got the flags, all this stuff, right? So going back to like TSA, so so if I show up and I'm wearing like an SS uniform, clear Nazi flag, and it's like, yeah, we don't profile. I'm the guy you should profile at that point in time, right? Because I'm clearly advertising. Like this is definitely not cool. You know, it's highly offensive. A lot of people would pretty much want to just take you out on the spot. You know, like if you think of like um, you know, every so often in America you you see these rallies of these white nationalist assholes that they're all out there with their Nazi flags and whatever. Yes, profile them. Yes, like that's who needs to be profiled, like not the middle-aged white guy that you know has a full tube of toothpaste at TSA.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

It's like they're walking in with a big neon sign pointing over their head, and it's like, well, we can't check them because that would be profiling.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

Yeah, I mean, come on now, you know, like like the the whole TSA thing is just I mean, if you look at the cost, just think of the cost of that operation of the the setup, the employment, the benefits, the all of those people. Are employees, you know, the the drag on the federal government, I mean, it is uh massive the cost of TSA, and that's that's a direct consequence of 9-11 was TSA.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Well, the way that I look at it is like this you can't get mad at the government or TSA or whatever it is, if if people from your you know country of origin do something like 9-11. So then every most of the time when the people from that country fly, they get checked and stuff like that, they get whatever, right? Um they get profiled. The people you should be getting mad at are the people who did what they did to cause distrust in people from that country. There's tension, it's not the fault of the victims, right? To to feel uh a little bit of distrust after you can't blame the victim for not trusting after that. It's absurd, but that's what we're doing when you think about it. Yeah, we're victim shaming, right? Victim shaming, yeah, yeah. How dare you, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Yeah, yeah. And and and I mean, honestly, when you're taking it from you know, Saudi hijackers in their 20s to you know uh frisking grandpa with like rubber gloves. I mean, come on now, like what the hell are we doing here, you know? Um but that gets me to another point here with 9-11, is that you know, if if you look at the way this whole thing happened and unfolded, like do I think George W. Bush knew about it? No, I don't. Like, you know, he he was actually at a school where my in the town where my parents live, and you know, they whispered in his ear and he had that look on his face, like, oh my god, you know, like he had no idea what was going on. But, you know, could there be different parts of the government that maybe stood down or took an order or something random and an offshoot here or there? You know, like I used to think of Dick Cheney as like the penguin, right? Like, I mean, that guy is like pure evil, right? So could he have done something here or there? Maybe. And what did it result in? Well, it resulted in the Patriot Act, right? So, you know, I don't know if you can look that up, but but the Patriot Act basically gave the government overwhelming powers to like spy on its own citizens, to do all this stuff that it never had previously. And it was kind of just swept into the Patriot Act under the guise of like, well, we need to be able to like out a terrorist cell, let's say. And yeah, there is some truth in that. But they also used it, like in the case of like Edward Snowden, who was with the NSA, to spy on regular Americans and like record your conversations and all this stuff that is in clear violation of the Constitution.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

What's your take on Bush remaining in the classroom and finishing the book that he was reading to the children and stuff like that? Um, because that was another point of contention, right? I want to know your thoughts on that, and then I'm gonna give you mine. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Okay, so the thing about Bush, he he's like a D student, right? Like he's he's not the he's not the brightest bulb, he's not the sharpest tool. That said, um I don't know if you know this, but he's like a painter. Like he he's actually a really good painter. He's kind of like a like a dumb artist, is is sort of like his actual personality, but he's born into this family that you know pulled him into the presidency, you propelled him into it, even though his qualifications were like dubious at best. And didn't even win the election, no. Um, but but again, you know, the the system just isn't built to handle that stuff, so like Trudeau in Canada.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

I get it.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Yes, yes, so and by the way, he was at the World Cup recently. I don't know if you saw him with Katy Perry, but regardless, we'll talk about that in another episode.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

You got a lot of heat for that, man.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Good, right? Um all right, so I could see him being sort of shell-shocked and not knowing what to do. And all these students are there and they're kind of looking at him, he's got like eight more pages to read or whatever, and maybe he just finishes the book and then they say, Okay, yep, gotta go. Goodbye. I can kind of believe that, you know. I don't, I don't, um, I don't know if there's any nefarious intent, I think is what I'm trying to say. You know?

SPEAKER_01 49:13

I think that whomever whispered in his ear, I can't remember who it was, whoever told him, right? I think they I think they probably instructed him to finish the book. Stay here. I think that that was the least panic-inducing decision. Right? Is to just stay calm, sit there, finish the book. What is he gonna do in the 10 minutes it took him to finish the book that wasn't already being done?

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

What was he going to accomplish? Right? Nothing. Why panic a bunch of kids, get up and s you know, and take off, and and on camera too, so it gets leaked out to you know what I mean? Like it just for me, it seemed like strategically the wisest decision. Again, that leads back to you know, people that are getting paid. How do we spin this narrative? He's calm, he's cool, he's got things under control, he's gonna finish this book because he trusts that his team is working on this kind of thing, right? That's that's the vibe I got. I didn't get the whole, I don't know what to do, so I'm just gonna sit here and read a book. I think I think that that's an emotional reaction to people who were furious, and they had every right to be furious, and they wanted to see action from from their leader. Yeah, but again, you have to think, cooler heads, what's he going to achieve in that extra five to ten minutes? What is he going to do? It's not like he can go prevent the attack from happening, it already happened.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

It already happened, right? Yeah, you know, uh I think that at heart, he's like, Again, like I think he's kind of dumb, but I think he genuinely wants to be a good guy. I don't think he necessarily like again talking about intent, I don't think he wants to be a bad guy or wants to be misleading. Now, I do think there are people that absolutely took advantage of him wholeheartedly. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, absolutely took advantage of him, right? Yeah, um, and you know, again, like like the case for like invading Iraq, right? Like, what did that have to do with things? Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia or you know, why why didn't we go straight to the prince and you know demand everything we could about the hijackers? Like instead we're evading Iraq, and and and we're going in there because they say they have weapons of mass destruction. Like, what, like, how did you get from the 9-11 to Iraq having weapons of mass destruction? Like, these don't even you know, it's it's like saying like a pear and an eggplant are the same food group, you know, it's like what? Like, no, like they're like they're completely different. Um, so I can see where they totally took advantage of him to then start this war, to overthrow Saddam. And you know, like this is the one huge problem in the vast majority of Republican viewpoints, especially with geopolitics, is that every every issue will have like you know, multiple data points, right? Like it's not just like one thing, like there's multiple follow-up data points. And the Republican Party always just looks at that very first thing and they go, see, he's got weapons, overthrow it. There's no thought into like what comes next, when he's gone, who's there? You know, you you don't just like kill one guy and change the tone of an entire country. Like this, this is a massive, massive uh lift. And likewise, you know, they would say, like, oh, well, they've got oil. Okay, let's say they've got oil. Well, now what? What do you how are you getting that oil? You know, what how are you transporting it? What uh what logistical operation do you have set up? How is this even going to work? You know, like a great example of this is how stupid Trump is when he kidnapped Maduro. You know, he kidnaps Maduro in the middle of the night, right? They kill however many people in the government. Venezuela hates our guts. And his talking point is like, well, we've got their oil. No, we don't, first of all. Secondly, okay, let's say that we do. Now what? Like, you don't have the refineries to refine it. You're not just gonna make those overnight. It's not like a pop-up tent, you know, like like there is no thought whatsoever on the multiple facets of this particular issue. It's just the very first thing, and it's it's like this completely nonsensical like, yeah, this is the easiest thing ever. We'll just do it. Everything that sounds easy is hard, always, you know.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

The first image that comes to mind is Heath Ledger's joker. Do I look like a man with a plan to you? I just do things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Yeah, exactly, right? And then he says, Why so serious?

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Oh man absolutely, yeah. There's there's so much to unpack when it comes to this. Um, but yeah, I I I don't blame I don't blame Bush. I think uh I think that he had one of the harder terms in terms of presidency. I'm not saying I like him. Yeah, I think it was I think it was an imbecile, but I think like you had said before, a lot of people, both internally and externally, took advantage of the fact that he was an imbecile.

unknown 55:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Yeah, yeah. And and if anything, was some of that taking advantage pre-planned? Maybe. Was a lot of it post? Yes. There was a lot of it, like you know, like I remember going back to that era that immediately following 9-11. I mean, everybody was like, sign up for the military, you know, like let's do this, like let's let's go, you know, crush whoever that did this. I mean, like, you do you remember the story of Pat Tillman? Do you remember Pat Tillman? No. Okay, so Pat Tillman was this um, he was like a personality-wise, he was like an indie kind of way out there dude, right? Now, physically, he was he was built like an ox. He was a linebacker that went from, I think he played for like Arizona or Arizona State, and then he ended up going to the Cardinals in the NFL, right? So he was an NFL player. And Pat Tillman was one of the guys that joined the military immediately following 9-11. And the military made this big story out of it, like, oh yeah, this this guy, you know, he he he doesn't want the millions of dollars. He's he's doing the right thing, you know, he's like G.I. Joe for America, right? Yeah. So they made him into this, like this character that he really never was. Um, and then he ends up going to Afghanistan and he he gets killed in friendly fire. And they covered that shit up for years, they wouldn't admit it. And then finally, through like different research or reporters and everybody, they put the story together that yes, he was killed by friendly fire. And at the end of the day, he wasn't even like he he wasn't this like G.I. Joe person they made him out to be. Like, to to give you an example of how out there Pat was, he would he was known for doing handstands on his on the roof of his house. Okay. Like he was just like intense, like he would do whatever. And following 9-11, when everybody was like, like, like the the country was weirdly united, like that almost never happens, right? But the country was all united for one purpose to, you know, we're we're go we're going after whoever did this. And he and his brother both joined up, and you know, they spun that into something that it never was, and you know, like Pat's family kind of like fought that for years because they they tried to make him into somebody that like that wasn't who he was, you know.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Um it's funny how at the time they used narratives to bring the country together, and since then they've been using narratives to divide the country.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Well, that's all Trump, truthfully. And and a lot of Biden was doing it too. He was doing it too, but the big change in America is Fox News. That's the big divider. Once Fox News came about, America hit hit fractured, right? And it's never it's never been the same since, truthfully.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

Um we should go back to people not talking about their politics in social environments. We should go back to that. I I told you this before. I remember a time where uh the the stereotype of Americans in Canada was don't ever ask an American about whether they're a Democrat or a Republican. It's too private. They get too Americans get too emotional about it. Now everybody talks about it.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Yeah, I I do think there's some truth there. But going back to 9-11, you do got to kind of look at on the aft afterwards, who took advantage, where and why? Like, what is what does that look like? You know, like remember the Taliban was linked up with like Hamas, all the terrorist groups, all of them that are against Israel. That's interesting, you know. When you look at the the new powers of the government with the Patriot Act, that none of that existed previously. That's really interesting. There's a lot of like really kind of shady stuff that came about following it under the guise of doing the right thing. But how often does that happen, especially with the government, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Yeah, pretty much never, man. But uh, I think we're just about out of time today, brother. Uh, I gotta I haven't eaten my post-workout meal yet, so I gotta go get that in me. Get a little bit of uh a little bit of protein, a little bit of chicken, a little bit of vegetables, right? Guys, make sure you're working out up there. If you don't know much about working out, listen to our extra our fitness and health podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Great episode. Great episode. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

So, what are your final thoughts today, brother?

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Boy, that's a loaded question. Um, so are you asking me, was it an inside job? Is that kind of what you're alluding to?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Or was it an inside job? Was it what what here's what I'll ask you for your final thoughts? Was it the impact of the planes that brought down the building, or was it controlled demolition?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

Okay, let me answer both. I think it was controlled demolition, because I again there's no other example in history of that happening ever. Even just recently, there was a plane that flew into a building. I can't remember where that was, was it in China? Um the the building isn't going to pancake from the bottom floors, that's just not going to happen, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

No, it toppled over.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

It it would topple over. And again, going to the idea of the engineering of the of a skyscraper with the counterweight, if you hit it in the middle and the counterweight was like leaning, wouldn't wouldn't the weight of the counterweight eventually just pull the whole thing over to bend over? You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Yeah, that momentum would just, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Yeah. And and I think the bigger case too is that building six, that is extremely fishy. That is really, really weird. So it didn't it didn't get hit by anything. There was no, you know, there was no planes, there was even the rumbling of the of the buildings, why would why would that fall? That that just doesn't make sense at all. So I do think it was controlled demolition. I think it was coordinated around the the lipstick of a terrorist attack. I think the terrorist attack, in order to pull something off of that magnitude, not only would it have to be the most well-planned terrorist attack ever from an outsider's view, but usually with something like that, you there's insider help somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

You know, I was thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like you think about like a like a prison break, or you know, somebody's breaking out of prison or jail or whatever. It's usually like they didn't just break out. There was like a guard that you know fell in love with one of them, and then she she turned her back or let him go a little too far, and he took advantage of it and he escaped, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

So I I think accidentally looked the other way.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

Yes, yeah, it that sort of indifference, right? Like, like, hey, I'm not participating, but I'll look the other way, right? So I do think that some of that had to have had to have happened, yeah. Um to to kind of bring this whole thing together. Because again, what the more people you involve in a conspiracy, the shakier it gets, right? Somebody's gonna screw up and ruin the whole thing for everybody else. You know what I mean? Like it it just doesn't work. So you got to keep it really tight-knit to pull something off. And at the scale that that was done, I don't buy it. I I just I don't buy it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:13

Yeah, my final thoughts are I agree. I think it was controlled demolition. Uh, I think that they did need to have some uh either inside help or uh willingness to look the other way. And if you want to know why that would happen, we'll look no further than the Patriot and them getting exactly what they wanted with that, right? That it gave them the ability to implement something that they wanted all along. So I think that I think that's kind of why it kind of went down the way that it did.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

Yeah, now I would also say with the Pentagon, I do think a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. I don't think it was a missile, and with Flight 93, I think likely it was a missile. I think that one was probably a missile, to be honest. But I would I would like to believe that it was the passengers that overtook the hijackers and just crashed the plane. Like, I don't know if you ever saw that movie that came out about that. Man, it was like intense. Um, and if that was true, so be it. And I'm sure there was a lot of really good people on that plane, you know. But I kind of, you know, in the back of my mind, I would not put it past the government to shoot it down and then to create a different narrative to say that it was, you know, something else.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Absolutely. Let us know what your final thoughts are in the in the comment section, guys, and make sure you give us a five-star review wherever you are listening to the podcast. For myself, big Rob, God bless. We will see you in a couple of days.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

And for Jesse, I would say that upcoming. We got some uh upcoming episodes, maybe looking into ancient Egypt. Uh, we're looking at talking about the World Cup uh as well as additional conspiracy theories. So stay tuned, and we'll see you on the next one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

Yeah, also let us know which conspiracy theories you guys might want us to dive into that we haven't yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:22

Oh, there's a lot. There's a yeah. I I I think you know, another one around the bend's probably the whole JFK RFK. Oh, yeah. We're gonna get into that one too.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

We gotta load up aliens, we gotta load up everything. Woo!

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

Aliens, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Bigfoot, let's do it all, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

Hey, you ever see that uh that meme where it's it's that guy, Giorgio Sucolos or whatever from uh Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, and it's he's he's got the crazy hair, and it says, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Absolutely. All right, guys. Uh paradigm shift out, God bless you.