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Paradigm Shift: RFK Conspiracy theories
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All right, guys, welcome back to the paradigm shift. Uh, I am, of course, Big Rob back with little Jesse. What's happening, buddy?
SPEAKER_00Hey, buddy, glad to be here. Glad to uh delve into today's episode. I think this one should get really interesting. It's gonna be a little more out there, I think, than what we ran into with the JFK assassination. So excited to tackle all of the different theories for what we think happened and where we land.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we I think we did an absolutely fantastic job, uh, not to toot our own horn with the JFK episode. We ended up being able to weed through the bushes and come out with a conclusion to what we thought actually happened. So I think we can do the same thing here. So nice, we got to hit it twice, guys. We're going with RFK this time if you haven't guessed already. So uh, do you have any initial thoughts before we dive into the top 10 RFK senior conspiracy theories?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I I know we talked about this a little bit ago off camera, but to tee this one up, what was going on at the time? So this is coming off the heels of the assassination of his older brother JFK. Um, RFK, as I was saying, I think he was the attorney general for JFK, where he was pursuing uh cases against the mafia, the mob, right? So they were getting a lot of enemies at the time. Uh equally, I know that um there was a documentary that came out on Netflix about Marilyn Monroe, and in that it was kind of it was really kind of a sad documentary, I gotta admit, but it it kind of highlighted how everybody in her life just sort of used her. And one of the relationships that she was in was with RFK Sr. And uh supposedly it was a pretty in-depth relationship. Now, they alleged in the documentary that she was actually with both of them, uh, but she was with him longer. And so the reason I'm saying this is that you have somebody who's a rising potential presidential candidate who is possibly spilling his guts to Marilyn Monroe, and uh, you know, it's loose ends, right? Loose ends.
SPEAKER_01So now when you say both of them, are you referring to RFK Sr. and JFK or RFK Senior and RFK Jr. Just for the listeners?
SPEAKER_00I I'm referring to JFK and his little brother RFK Sr. Yeah. Okay, yeah, just to clarify that. Yep.
SPEAKER_01All right, let's dive into number one on the list. My friends, second gunman theory. The fatal shot came from behind RFK's right ear at very close range, one to three inches per Connor Thomas. Um, the autopsy. While witnesses placed uh Sirhan, am I saying that right?
SPEAKER_00Yep, Sir Han Sirhan.
SPEAKER_01Sir Han Sirhan in front of uh or facing Kennedy. Proponents argue that Sir Han could not have fired the killing shot.
SPEAKER_00This is true. This is true. Yeah, so you know, um the story here is that RFK was coming off of a rally, and I can't remember if it was at a university or where it was, but he was he was sort of being escorted out through like a back tunnel kind of way that went through the kitchen in particular. And that's where this incident took place. That Sir Han Sir Han shows up, supposedly has the gun, starts firing, and then by the end of it, multiple people have been shot, Kennedy's dead, and that's that. Now, the catch here, like you said, is that Sir Han Serhan was in front of him, and I want to say it was by like about eight to ten feet in front of him, but supposedly the fatal kill shot hit him uh behind the ear. Figure that one out.
SPEAKER_01No, that's that's interesting. Um what I would say about that is that now if I'm just going based on uh I'm trusting the autopsy report at this point. Let's just go that route first. Then I would say, well, I mean, generally, it's pretty easy for them to determine the trajectory and uh uh direction of a bullet when evaluating a crime scene, right? That's that's pretty textbooks for textbook for them. I don't know if it was back then as easy as it is for them today with computer technology and whatnot. I digress. I would imagine they knew what they were doing. Now, on the flip side of that, however, autopsies can be full of shit.
SPEAKER_00True, true. And and I would say that um I think what you're referring to today, they refer to that as blood splood splatter analysis, is what it is. And so they they do have experts that testify in murder trials and stuff like that that here's what happened, and here's the way the blood splattered, or spes, I think it's split splattered. And basically from that, they can determine exactly what happened or the direction or or how this thing unfolded, right? And so you you had this occur. And what's interesting here is that so, according to the police investigation, they say that there were eight bullets uh fired from his gun. Now, what's interesting is the conspiracy theories say that because investigators and witnesses also documented additional bullet holes scattered throughout uh the hotel kitchen pantry, that something else happened here, right? So, in terms of some of these bullets that they were able to track, you had the fatal bullet that entered uh RFK's uh head, basically behind his right ear, and lodged in his brain. So that was the kill shot, right? So if you think about that, to be shot behind the ear or to lodge in your brain, you know, you kind of have to have like a downward, kind of upward facing shot from somewhere behind him at an angle, right? Um we got that one. Now you also have there was a bullet that entered the rear of Kennedy's right armpit and lodged in the back of his neck. So again, this is somewhere behind him on the right. Um, we have one that entered the rear of Kennedy's um right armpit and exited through his chest. Okay, so that's a third one. We have a bullet that passed harmlessly uh through the shoulder of his suit jacket without hitting his body, and then we have another set of bullets that randomly hit bystanders kind of all over the place, right? But what's interesting in all of those ones that hit him, they're all directly behind him to the right in Sirhan Sirhan, who is still in prison today for the murder of RFK, was standing like 10 feet in front of him.
SPEAKER_01Interesting, interesting. So, what do you think about this particular theory? Do you think that it was him? Or are you swaying in another direction? Are you swaying towards a second gunman again?
SPEAKER_00Right, again. Well, and and think about this, right? If Sir Han Sirhan was 10 feet in front of Kennedy, and you were Kennedy's security, so you had a gun, right? And you knew you were protecting your asset, that you're walking through this kitchen and he's in front of you on the left. Well, if there was a guy 10 feet in front of him that pulls out a gun, it wouldn't be hard to shoot him directly. We're talking 10 feet away, right? So the fact that that didn't happen, and instead, you know, Kennedy gets shot at least three times here, documented, all from his right, that tells me kind of the this this sort of delves into what we ran into, I think, in the uh JFK episode, that the CIA hits love to set up a patsy, but the reality is the person who kills him is standing right next to him. That's the guaranteed kill shot.
SPEAKER_01I was just going to say while you were talking, I was thinking to myself, it goes back to the JFK thing. We're talking Secret Service here, right? You think that someone is capable of getting within 10 feet of someone like RFK without Secret Service knowing that they had a gun?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. The Patsy, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The Patsy, exactly. So for me personally, I gotta believe that uh he's a Patsy at this point in time based on the information I have. Uh, I don't think it's really possible I'm not gonna say possible, but plausible that someone's capable of getting within 10 feet uh with a gun of someone of that stature without someone looking the other way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I I agree with you 100%. And I just can't imagine being 10 feet away from the supposed killer, seeing him pull a gun and taking my gun and then killing the guy I'm protecting with three shots, clearly from where I was standing, straight into his head or his armpit. Uh figure that one out, right? Like, so clearly you're not you're not protecting him. So you basically created this like chaos scenario where no one knows what the hell is going on. It happens in an instant, and you fire three bullets right into him and he's dead, right?
SPEAKER_01It's kind of how the mafia operates. Kind of hysteria, hysteria, confusion, panic, in the middle of it all is when it goes down, right?
SPEAKER_00Right, but but think about this. You know, we just said that this has all the hallmarks of a CIA hit, right? Now, in the JFK assassination, I think that's where we landed was it was a CIA hit, right? Yep, and the Kennedys, as as we said in that episode, had made a lot of enemies. And so here we are, round two of the Kennedys. It's one of the brothers who was there for round one. He thinks he's gonna be this rising star, and they basically took him out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's I'm on board with excuse me. I'm on board with you there 100%. So so far, it's a patsy theory.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's a patsy theory. Now, I don't I don't know if it's on your list more about Sir Han Sirhan or the supposed shooter. Do we have that? Yep. Okay, okay, let's get into that.
SPEAKER_01Okay, well, we're gonna go to number two first. Okay. Thane Eugene Caesar as the second gunman. Caesar, Caesar, however you want to pronounce it, a security guard escorting RFK that night uh with far right views, Lockheed security clearance, lock sorry, lockheed security clearance, and ownership of a 22 similar to the murder weapon, is the most frequently named alternative shooter. Some claim he fired the fatal close-range shot while Sirhan shots missed or were distractions. RFK Jr. has publicly supported elements of this view. Caesar denied involvement, you don't say, passed a polygraph test, and was not treated as a suspect by police. So he passed the polygraph test. But those are not 100% accurate either.
SPEAKER_00No, and and we also don't know what he was asked in that polygraph, right?
SPEAKER_01Also, I'd like to inject there as well. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know, maybe it's just something from movies that people make up, but are CIA agents not trained to deceive polygraph tests and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_00Pretty sure they are. And and you know, the way the polygraph works is really what it catches is when you know you're telling an obvious lie and you don't believe it, right? So, like if you actually genuinely believe what you're saying, then it's not gonna flag on the polygraph.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So believe your own hype.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So you know, like case in point, like you know, we see a lot of things in today's world, you know, from like Dementia Dawn and others, that you know, it's totally not true, but if you believe it, it would absolutely pass the polygraph as the truth because you believe it to be true. So in this case, with this specific security guard, whatever they asked him, if he believed it to be true, it would not have been flagged because the you know, the little line thing wouldn't have jumped like it would otherwise.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I believe that they're trained to do that, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and and think about this too. That's a great point you just brought up. They're trained to do that. So if this guy was the actual marksman put forth by the CIA, would he have been trained? Oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01I think it ties perfectly in with uh with uh number one there, the the patzy theory that we've kind of been uh going with here. So yeah, I I don't think that the fact that he passed a uh polygraph test holds an ounce of water.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_01He he denies it, uh, but also, I mean, there's a little bit of weight in the fact that RFK Jr. also publicly supported elements of that theory.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I could see that. I mean, at the end of the day, like, think about this like if you were RFK Jr., right? Like, this is like your your dad that they're they're telling you they got it all figured out, it's ironclad, case closed, and you're going, well, wait a minute. He got shot from behind on the right side, but the guy who's the shooter was in front of him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, haven't you ever seen that that movie? Uh what was it, Wanted, where Angelina Jolie's curving bullets and stuff by waving her gun around? Curving bullets, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think this goes perfectly hand in hand with the patsy theory um furthering so far, furthering the solidification of the patsy theory. But who knows, maybe some curveballs will be thrown. Yeah, okay. What do we got next? Number three, too many bullets slash extra shots. Sirhan's revolver held only eight rounds, but proponents cite more than eight bullet holes in the pantry, some in door frames later destroyed, and claim up to thirteen shots were fired.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so here we have math. This this is a concept here, math. Eight. We have eight, only eight, but somehow there's thirteen bullets. And he didn't reload, it's a revolver, like you just said, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It isn't mathing.
SPEAKER_00The math is not mathing. So again, you know, here you go, where I think it's, you know, it, you know, it's easy to kind of play like Monday morning quarterback on things like this all these years later, because we look at and we go, this is so ridiculous. Like, I can't even believe this is still the narrative on this thing, right? Because clearly it's not even remotely accurate, right? But the reality is that like back then, you know, you didn't have everybody with a cell phone camera, you know, you didn't have like cameras in every little space. Um, we we didn't have like all this technology in the way that like something like this, I feel like today is so obviously like staged, you know what I mean? But back then they didn't have that, and they just kind of like took it at face value. You know, like that's one of the things with the the whole Kennedy era, is that leading up to that, I think a lot of the country for the U.S. did accept what the government told them at face value. And this, you know, again was coming off of World War II. This is like arguably one of those rare uh periods of time where everybody was sort of bought in. You know, they supported the government and what the government told them. And the government told them that Sir Han Sirhan with his eight shots fired 13 bullets, and they believed it. What the hell?
SPEAKER_01Makes sense to me. Well, hey, I mean, they told us it's true. Yeah, well, here's the thing of it is that I think people lose sight of the fact that the government back then had a lot more credibility than they do today. Like you just said, people would just blindly believe anything that the government said back then. Well, this is the explanation, and it was okay, good enough. And people went about their business. It was on the news, so it's true, right? And it's it's not just the it's not just um the government that had far more credibility than they do today, but it was also the people delivering the news from the government had more credibility as well. You know, the me the today's media has absolutely no credibility whatsoever anymore.
SPEAKER_00This is true. Yeah, I think it's long gone. Yeah, and and back then, I mean, that that was the era of what, like Walter Cronkite and you know, some of these people like that, and you know, I think people genuinely wanted to believe them. And I would say also, you know, like uh I know with my my own family, like my grandparents um lived in the DC area and they worked in the federal government. And like I remember in their basement they had like black and white photos of Eisenhower, you know, like Eisenhower was like a god to them, and and truthfully, he kind of was. I mean, you know, the dude led the Allied forces at D Day, like like that that is significant. This this guy is like the king of the castle, king of the castle, you know, that's that was him, and so we came off of that, and you know, you you get to JFK who gets struck down, and I think the the country was still uh holding out hope that we got something to hold on to here. But the reality was that you know, if it was a CAIA hit, they they were gonna take him out regardless, and they were just gonna tell you, yeah, this is what happened. And you know, there's that um famous quote from uh the George Orwell book 1984 that something about the last phase of this thing is when they tell you not to believe your eyes and ears, right? Like in this case, I mean we're counting simp very simple math, and they're saying, no, that's not right. Okay, you know, okay.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Again, goes hand in hand with the patsy theory. Once again, this patzy theory is gaining a lot of momentum so far in the top three uh conspiracy theories here in regards to it. So so far it's holding a lot of weight.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh let's move on to number four. Number four on the list is acoustic evidence of multiple guns. Analysis of a recording of RFK's victory speech by audio expert Philip Van Prague allegedly detected 13 shots with timing and acoustic signatures. Impossible for a single eight-shot revolver. Other experts have only uh have heard only eight shots. So it does go with number three that this analysis from uh from Philip van Prague. Says that you can hear 13 distinct shots.
SPEAKER_00Hmm. Yeah, that's that's interesting. So if you think about that, this is basically like more evidence, right? Regarding the 13 shots. But if we're talking two different weapons, then they're they're different, right? The other one was alleged as a 22, and Sir Hanserhans was a revolver. And so I would think that the revolver would probably be much louder than the 22, but if you were doing like an audio analysis, would you still hear the 22? Probably. I think you would. So um it would be interesting, I I think on that one to know for the audio where he supposedly flagged these 13 shots, like if eight of them were kind of like the same loudness, and the other five are a different loudness. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Well, here's what I think about it. I find it odd that an audio analyst was able to identify the exact same number of shots in the audio clip that there were bullet holes in the walls.
SPEAKER_00But do we know if the audio clip came out after the 13 bullet hole claim? Or was it before? We don't know that, do we?
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SPEAKER_00So my point there is that he you could argue and say that, well, he was just trying to find 13 shots in the audio. Now, at the time that it was done, you know, like if if you did like an audio analysis today with like a like a video program, I mean you could definitely see the exact sound levels of every one of those shots. So that that would be an interesting piece of evidence to like take another look at, like in today's technology, you know, because I think you'd be able to tell right away if there was 30 shots.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, absolutely. Here's my thing, though. A sound analysis also just comes down to in that time frame, like in that era, um, it comes down to one person's word against the others. Because you can sit there, you can analyze it, and you can say, see, here are 13 distinct shots, and you can point them all out to the listener, whoever's listening to your presentation. You know, but then it just comes down to them saying, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I heard that, or nah, I didn't hear that. Right, right. It's really just comes down to person versus person, as opposed to today, like you said, where you could just feed this into a sound analyzer, an AI or whatever the case might be, and you'd be able to, it would be able to uh zero in on those shots and distinguish what they actually are pretty easily.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I think you're right. I agree a hundred percent. You know, like you see um like different like uh music stuff today, like they can strip away like the drums, the guitars, they can uh isolate just the singer. You know, like I've seen a bunch of reels like that where you just hear like the singer on the song, like Allison Chains or some somebody like crazy like that. You know, you hear him singing, it's like holy crap, that guy had a crazy voice, you know, when you strip away everything. So could they strip away all of the all of the background crap out of that and just have the the shots? Yeah, I think they could.
SPEAKER_01They could I've seen those things before, like I've seen them kind of how they I've watched uh videos on how they operate, and they that's what they do. It goes through the whole the whole uh audio clip and it eliminates things one by one, by one, layer by layer, it strips everything away, and and every layer that they strip away that it strips away, it becomes easier and easier, obviously, to identify without all the other white noise.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, I I agree with you. I agree. So I think in that one, I does it add to the evidence. I think it would, at least on the surface. Now, depending on at the time that they did that testing, I think that would be worthy of retesting present day, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, circumstantial comes down to person one person's word versus another's, in my opinion. He said, she said kind of thing. I didn't hear the same thing as you. Whereas, like you just said, today, 100%, they'd be able to nail it probably within an hour. Yep. So so we'll we'll we'll be generous and we'll kick that one to the side and say circumstantial.
SPEAKER_00Okay, fair enough.
SPEAKER_01Number five, forensic slash bullet mismatches. Claims that recovered bullets, including the one from RFK's neck, did not match Sir Han's gun, or that evidence was switched or mishandled. A 1975 forensic panel and later legal filings by Sir Han's attorney have been cited in support.
SPEAKER_00Yes. So this is an interesting theory, too. So basically, you know, the the when the round is fired is different depending on the barrel of the gun, essentially. And so they're saying that um, you know, obviously the you would have slightly different rounds here, and that that would impact it as well. So um, I mean, again, it's kind of pointing to two different shooters, I mean, is sort of the obvious answer here, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, my question is if if there was uh you know a ballistics report done on the bullets, I mean, and that they didn't match. So if I'm reading that again, claims that the recovered bullets, including the one from from RFK's neck, did not match Sir Han's gun, or that evidence was switched or mishandled. Now, this was cited by a 1976 forensic panel, not just Sir Han's attorney. Yeah, so that smells like cover-up. I mean, it's it's another one of those, like we discussed earlier, situations where the where it's it's blatantly obviously okay, these don't match. Ah, they match, and everyone just said, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay, okay. Yeah, and and you know, something else that I don't know if you're gonna get to it later in the list, but it kind of adds on to this. Um, that I had heard was that the the quote security guard who they think fired the shots that Thane Eugene Caesar, right? Supposedly the gun that was used, he sold it like a month later.
SPEAKER_01Sold it. I don't know if that's in here or not. I guess we'll uh I guess we'll find out together.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so the point is that they can't test it anyway because now the gun is gone. She go. Yeah, well, what a coincidence. Imagine that.
SPEAKER_01Again, reeks of cover up. In my opinion, this feeds into the um the Patsy conspiracy theory to me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Again, it's not just his lawyer crying wolf, it's an entire uh forensic panel.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, I think if anything, and obviously I know we got a little more to cover here, but what it really also tells you is just how the justice system can be absolutely manipulated to like uh hang this on somebody else when all of the evidence points to it not being them, you know. Isn't that amazing?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, every every stitch of evidence can point to them being innocent, and they'll they can still be found guilty and sent to prison.
SPEAKER_00And he's been in prison ever since. He's still in prison today.
SPEAKER_01We should see if we can go interview him.
SPEAKER_00Boy, that'd be wild. That would be wild for the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So did you do it?
SPEAKER_00Yes, no?
SPEAKER_01Yes? Okay, we're out of here.
SPEAKER_00Well, he has never once admitted that he did it. Not one time. Anyway, I'll let you keep going. What do we have next on the list?
SPEAKER_01Uh Manchurian the Manjurian candidate or uh hypnosis or programming of Sir Han. Sirhan claimed and still claims, like you just said, little to no memory of the shooting uh theory holds, he was psychologically programmed or hypnotized, possibly via CIA mind control programs like MKUltra uh derivative uh uh to sorry to act as a Patsy or involuntary participant uh with his memory wiped forward supported by some of his lawyers and a prison psychiatrist. Sorry, psychologist, not psychiatrist.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So what do you think of that one?
SPEAKER_01Bullshit you really yeah, I I I'm not big on the whole hypnosis. Um I don't know. I mean, I say that and then I'm that guy up on stage that gets hypnotized. I'm walking like a duck or something, right? I'm not I'm not big on that. I do, like I said, I am very heavily leaning towards the Patsy theory, but um the mind control aspect of it, I'm like, I mean, I'm I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I'm leaning away from it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so let's let's get into this one a little bit more. Let's go down the rabbit hole a little bit. So supposedly, um, and it didn't really cover this in that part that you just read. Supposedly before the incident happened, uh eyewitnesses saw Sirhan Sirhan outside, and like his uh pupils were like heavily dilated. Multiple people said that, and that he was sort of like pacing back and forth and whatever, right? And he to this day says he has absolutely no memory of what happened, of going in there, of firing the gun, anything at all. He says he has no memory of it. And and again, the witnesses when he was in that space said his eyes were like completely dilated, right? So at the time, again, this is that CIA angle that's really interesting, right? There was a program called MK Ultra that dealt with mind control, okay. And what's interesting with this particular program is that um it's one of these ones that they did in that era that they uh have since supposedly closed and supposedly didn't work. There was nothing to see there, right?
SPEAKER_02That's there never is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there never is, right? I mean, you know, I don't know what we expected, like if we thought the CIA was just gonna like, hey, we're coming clean, we're gonna tell you what actually happened. There ain't no way, there's no way, right? And with MKUltra, there is some really weird stuff that happened there. Like, I want to say they they did some sort of testing on um like college students that were completely unaware that they were being tested on for this. There was a um, there was a guy that was in this program that uh went out a window in New York City to his death, and it was like, well, did he kill himself or was he thrown out the window? No one knows. There's some really weird stuff around that MKUltra. And I think you're gonna be getting into this part next, but there's a there's a lady with a dress that comes into play in this story, and she kind of ties into the MK Ultra aspect of it. Okay, and so like in the in the Manchurian candidate idea, it's sort of like somebody says the key word and that activates him, right? To win for a soldier, yeah, yeah, that that yes, yeah, that that that activates him, right? So the so the thing is, did somebody say the key word that activated him that then sent him into that kitchen with the gun and started firing? Now, the interesting thing here is that like if if let's say he was under full hypnosis and let's say he remembers nothing and he was in a complete trance, if he was firing the gun, would he even be accurate, right? Because remember, all three of the shots that hit Kennedy were from behind in the right, which means that not a single shot that Sirhan Sirhan shot actually hit Kennedy, none of them.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, first of all, that would feed into the Patsy theory, that he was just there as a distraction to fire shots for sure, assuming like just assuming that that's what happened in terms of hypnosis, right? That would fit in. But the one thing I would say about the whole hypnosis theory, uh, memory wiping and all that stuff is why wouldn't they just do that with somebody like Epstein instead of offing him in a cell? Why wouldn't they just wipe his memory of the important people, the important people who are on his island? I have no memory of those people being on my island, right? Why wouldn't they just do that? That way they would still have patsies instead of just raising a ton of suspicion by offing him in a cell.
SPEAKER_00Well, I would push back on that a little bit because the reason they wouldn't do it with Epstein is because he represents the country of Israel. That's why. Fair enough. Whereas Sir Han Sir Han, if you remember, or maybe you don't know this part, is Iranian. So again, just like Lee Harvey Oswald was the Russian bad guy, right? Well, Sir Han Sirhan is the Iranian bad guy, right?
SPEAKER_01That no one's gonna ask questions about, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Whereas like an Epstein is Israel, he's untouchable, but Sir Han Sir Han is absolutely touchable as a Patsy, and as an immigrant, you gotta think, I mean, he probably came here and didn't have shit, right? So he had no prospects, no nothing. They identified him as a Patsy, and then they set him up, right? So anyway, so going back to the Manchurian candidate idea of was he under hypnosis or mind control, we can't answer this just yet without getting to your next one.
SPEAKER_01Fair enough. So we'll put a tack in it, and the next one is actually the woman in the polka dot dress. Multiple witnesses, notably campaign workers, uh worker Sandra Serrano. Serrano reported seeing a woman in a polka dot dress with men, one possibly Serhan, before the shooting, the running and shoot uh shouting uh variations of we shot him or we killed Kennedy. Some accounts were later questioned or reacted under investigation. Uh re sorry, retra uh claim suppression of reports. So that feeds into the Manchurian Kennedy thing. This woman was running around in a polka dot dress screaming, we shot him, we killed him.
SPEAKER_00So the story, it goes uh the story's a little more in depth in that that little blurb. So the story is that she was seen outside of this uh club or restaurant or whatever with Sir Han Sur Han before he went inside. Other witnesses saw her and they remembered her because of the polka dot dress, right? Now, no one actually identified her at the time or knew who she was. But again, they did hear her say out loud that we we got him or we shot him or whatever, right? So the interesting thing, this is the fascinating part here, is that they were unable to identify her for like 30 to 50 years. Okay. They did finally identify her, all right. So this lady, uh, where this gets really interesting, I think it's her husband, uh, is a one of the people who worked on MK Ultra for the CIA. Oh got a job.
SPEAKER_01That's my good optics, man.
SPEAKER_00Oh, and there's the rub. There it is. So the guy who literally worked on MK Ultra is her husband, and she's there with the Patsy. She gives him the code and he activates.
SPEAKER_01Wow. See, you're kind of swaying me here, man. You're kind of swaying me here. Coincidences do not happen. We've been over this, right?
SPEAKER_00No, yeah. I mean, again, you okay, let's talk about that being a coincidence. What are the odds that a lady who's seen hanging out with him out front is married to a guy who directly is involved in MKUltra?
SPEAKER_01I don't believe in coincidence, man. That's the odds are astronomical.
SPEAKER_00Astronomical.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, I mean, I I don't know the exact the exact specifics of how many CIA assets touched MKUltra, but I would imagine it's not many, right? Probably a handful. So you gotta think out of all the millions of people in the US, that it just so happens that one of those assets that his wife is there with the Patsy who ends up firing the gun, who ends up being found guilty, who's still in prison today, what are the odds?
SPEAKER_01It's not good. See, you sway me, man. Like before that little vital piece of information, I was like, uh I was like, I was like 70-30 against it. Yeah, but now I'm like 90-10 because it's like you know what, coincidences they just don't happen. The the odds that he would know her and they would be even in the same place, let alone having the same having a conversation together, are just unbelievably long.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And like all the witnesses said, he looked supposedly looked like he was completely out of it. Everybody who saw him, they're like some like that guy's weird, right? Like everybody was getting the the weird vibe, like, hey, who the hell is that? What what what's going on with that guy? He's odd, right? And the interesting, you know, the fascinating part about this is I I think it's true, and I think she did give him the code word, and I think he was the Manchurian candidate. But what's fascinating is that they would have gotten away with it if she wouldn't have worn a polka dot dress.
SPEAKER_01Or yelled we killed him, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we shot him, right? Yeah, I mean, you you know, they thought they they clearly got away with it, and they thought they had it all set up, they had their patsy, they had him firing the gun, and then it didn't matter if he was accurate or not, because the guy behind Kennedy was the kill shot, the his own security, you know.
SPEAKER_01Number eight, CIA operatives present uh present and involved. Filmmaker Shane O'Sullivan researched uh sorry research featured in the documentary RFK Must Die, claimed photos and videos showed senior CIA officer uh officers, including David Sanchez Morales, uh Gordon Campbell, and George uh Jon Jonines. Jonines? I don't know if you know that kind of um linked to Anti-Castro oper uh operations at the hotel. Promo proponents link this to broader CIA motives tied to RFK's past as attorney general and suspicious suspicions about his brother's death. Identifications have been disputed. Some men identified as civilians.
SPEAKER_00Hmm. So that's interesting. So that would basically mean that there's maybe a couple handlers nearby, right, that were there for the event to ensure that it was carried out correctly.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you don't do something like this without a backup plan.
SPEAKER_00Correct. But if you think about it, you know, they may have even had their doubts that the MK Ultra Manchurian candidate keyword passphrase would work, you know. So they might have thought, hey, we're gonna we're gonna try it. And hopefully it goes according to plan. It should, but there might be that small chance it doesn't. And then we have a plan B, whatever that might have been. But I think the truth was is that it it did work. And he didn't remember anything. He went in there, he pulled out his gun, he starts firing. Who knows at what? Nobody knows. And he didn't he didn't hit him with a single shot, you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, that brings up an interesting question. Um, do you think that he was purposely um you know brainwashed to miss or just primarily just to be in there firing a gun as a distraction? Or do you think that it worked, but only to a degree, and that he was just blindly missing? So the agent was like, I gotta take care of this myself while this distraction is here, and just went pop pop. Sorry, pop, pop, pop.
SPEAKER_00Okay, you know that that that's a great point, is that maybe the intent was that he would hit him, right? As the Manchurian candidate, that he would go in and he would be accurate and he would kill him. But when he didn't hit him at all, maybe that's when the security guard starts firing, and in the middle of the chaos, all of a sudden Kennedy's dead, right? So maybe that was the backup plan. That again, you know, if you think about like the JFK one with Oswald, right? I mean, we said that we don't even know if Oswald took the shot because he he said he never did. So somebody took the shot, but they were counting on that one to land, and it did, but then the kill shot was actually the driver, the one right next to him. And so in this case, they had the Patsy set up. They were hoping he would land the shot. I don't think he landed a single shot, and then the security guard behind him shot him three times.
SPEAKER_01So he comes in the room, he's blindly shooting, he's missing. Security guard hears on the radio, execute order 66 and takes him out.
SPEAKER_00Could be, yeah, could be. Or maybe like you talked about the handlers being nearby. Maybe one of those handlers was present there. They sort of gave him like the head nod, or or you know, or the the mission was if he doesn't hit him, you will. And that's exactly what he did, and he carried out the mission, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, for all we know, maybe the security guard was hypnotized too. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00I don't think so. But yeah, you know what it reminds me of is um did you ever see uh like the naked gun movies? Yeah, uh Leslie Leslie Nielsen. So the first naked gun movie, uh, and and I think maybe it was the second one. No, it was it was the first one, where the guy had like a clicker, and when he clicked the thing, like Reggie Jackson was like in a he was the Manchurian candidate, and he he starts walking over to the base and he lifts the base and he pulls out the gun, and the queen was at the baseball game, and he starts walking over there going, I must kill the queen, I must kill the queen, you know, and he's going to kill the queen, and luckily they stop him in time. But later in the movie, uh, you know, Frank Frank Drebin's um love interest, she was also under it, and the and the clicker goes off and it activates her, and she's like, I must kill Frank Drebin, I must kill him, you know, and she gets the gun and she goes to kill him, and she's just sort of holding it in the trance, going click, click, click, click, click. There was no bullets in it, right? And so I think that that could kind of be like the same thing with Sir Han Sirhan, that the order is to kill RFK, and he's going in there, you know, completely zapped out of his mind. Click, click, click, click. He's just clicking away. He's not even for all we know, he's not even pointing the gun at him, he's just pointing it wherever, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, he's just walking in the room and and firing, not aiming or anything. Yeah, yeah, distracting. Interesting. Interesting. Number nine, cover up or uh distraction of ev uh destruction of evidence by authorities. Claims that the LAPD destroyed key evidence, um pantry door frames with bullet holes, mishandled uh forensics, censored witnesses, or suppressed reports, such as those involving the polka dot dress woman, a 1975 special counsel review largely upheld the original findings.
SPEAKER_00Well, okay, wait a minute. Are you talking about the same LAPD that I'm thinking of that's incredibly honest? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Never done a single thing to damage credibility.
unknownEver.
SPEAKER_00This is the LAPD we're talking about. I mean, come on, man. You know, uh again, if you were the CIA, right, how hard would it be to buy off one, if not a couple, officers in the LAPD and have them do your task for you and you give them something in return, some sort of you know, 10 grand in an account or under the bench at the park or whatever. How hard would that be? Easy breezy lemon squeezy. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So could the LAPD have altered evidence? Yeah, could they also have been sloppy? Sure. You know, like one of the things that happens um in some of these court cases is they they basically have the ending, right? Like, like Sirhan Sirhan's guilty, figure out a way to get there, you know, and and they just sort of make up a story of how it all somehow connects to him and see he is guilty, right? And if you weren't paying attention, maybe you'd believe it, right?
SPEAKER_01It feeds back to the uh what we were talking about earlier as well about the autopsy being uh you know, evidence being manipulated as well. I mean, same thing, right? I mean, how difficult would it really be?
SPEAKER_00It wouldn't have been, and for that era, I mean, I it I think this was the late 60s, early 70s, I think when this happened. Yeah. Um, for that era, it would have been very easy to do this. And you know, did we did we ever have any interviews of of the autopsy doctor or verif check his bank bank records to see if he accepted anything here or there? Of course not. Yeah, of course not.
SPEAKER_01Stand-up people.
SPEAKER_00Come on, yeah, yeah. Well, and and you know, the other thing you gotta think too is that this kind of goes into the territory of like different law enforcement agencies in the US and sort of who's really in charge here, right? And and there is that kind of territory war pissing contest of like, hey, we've got this one handled, you guys stand down, like don't worry about it, don't ask any questions, go about your life and you're gonna be fine, right? Done. Yeah, exactly, done. And so, you know, at the end of the day, what I wonder with with this whole thing and and the JFK one is to me at least, I think the evidence clearly points to the CIA, and the CIA apparently had an axe to grind with both Kennedys. And I'm kind of wondering, you know, who called the shots, and was it the same person calling the shots?
SPEAKER_01Oh, it would be a hell of a coincidence if it wasn't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it would.
SPEAKER_01Number 10. Sirhan as the Patsy, broader conspiracy involves mafia intelligence or sorry, mafia intelligence or political forces, not mafia intelligence. Okay, combination of the above, Sirhan as a programmed or distracting figure, while others, CIA-linked security personnel or organized crime elements, uh, angered by RFK's earlier anti-mafia efforts as uh AG uh carried out the real killing. Some tie it to RFK's potential to reopen investigations into JFK's death or challenge the political status quo.
SPEAKER_00Hmm.
SPEAKER_01The motive.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and and that's a really good point, right? Like the idea of reopening JFK's death. Imagine if he had been allowed to do that. You know he would have, right? I mean, that was his brother who was murdered. Yep. So yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01Let's let's uh let's assume that you and I were correct in the JFK uh synopsis that that we went through. It fits perfectly with the CIA not wanting to reopen an investigation on something they had thought they had already covered up and buried.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely. So there's definitely incentive there, right? Like if we let RFK become president, then he could blow the lid off this whole thing that we were involved in the murder of his brother, right?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, and ties to the mob as well, which we which we also talked about that we do think that the mob was involved to a degree, uh albeit the degree they were involved, they probably didn't know the depths of things. They were probably just paid on the side to make somebody disappear. Uh, Mr. Oswald, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01Um, but yeah, I mean linking the CIA as well to the mafia and like everything in between. It just fits perfectly with our with our analysis of the JFK.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And if you think of the CIA too, like are there any examples of the CIA where they've somehow been held accountable and and not had 100% you know impunity against any blowback whatsoever, right? Like if you think about it, this is an organization that uh is largely untouchable, period. And so you get somebody who's like a hot shot lawyer, uh, you know, rising polit politician, and he's you know he he's already targeted you know all these other areas, and now he's gonna go after you. There's no way they would allow that to happen. Yeah, there's no way.
SPEAKER_01No, and I don't know what you mean by accountability. The CIA has never done anything wrong. Nothing to be held accountable.
SPEAKER_00They are as honest as it comes, at least that's what they say.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's just it fit it's too perfect of a fit. Again, not a coincidence. It is a hundred percent motive. Um they're not gonna let what happened come to light. They're not gonna want to suffer the consequences of what they did either, right? To everyone involved. So absolutely, this was just this was for me, this was just a loose end tying back to JFK. This was just tying up a loose end, is really at the end of the day what it was.
SPEAKER_00I agree. I think you're right. I think they're both, I think they're related, and I think they just went about this one in a little bit different way, but the same general plot, which kind of hints at the same person calling the shots here, whoever it was, whoever signed off on this, right? Because again, I I can't help but think of Oswald the Patsy. He has this supposed tie to an adversary, Russia. You know, he's this communist, you know, that all these labels they put on, he's bad, you know, and Sirhan Sterhan would have been Iranian, you know, still he's Iranian. So again, you know, this this country that's sort of forever been, you know, this thorn in the side of the US for one reason or another, whatever. Um, it it fits the bill entirely. And then in in the JFK one, how we talked about the driver sitting right next to him being literally point blank that that he could like touch him, that's the shooter. In this case, the security is directly behind him, point blank. That's clearly the shooter. I mean, it's it's obvious. The the interesting wrinkle here is the MK Ultra side of it and the woman in the polka dot dress. And I think that's where this whole this whole thing kind of unravels, you know?
SPEAKER_01Well, for me personally, those two those two um topics, the girl in the dress and the uh AK Ultra are semantics, people want to argue. I think that as a whole, where I'm coming down on all of this is that this 100%, in my opinion, was the security guy behind him via CIA loose end cover-up for JFK. We don't know what RFK had uncovered that he hadn't presented to anybody yet. Maybe he knew something that they didn't want him to expose at this point. But for me, uh in terms of the the brainwashing um and stuff like that, did it happen, didn't did it not? Those really could just be injected as little gray areas at the end of the day to cause uh doubt, maybe, or or anything in between. But for me, it actually strengthens my this theory.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and and I I think to add to this also, um I think in that Marilyn Monroe documentary, uh, that her uh residences were bugged, right? And why were they bugged? Well, because the Kennedys were hanging out there, okay. So is it possible that he may have said things to her that they were listening to and they knew about? Absolutely, absolutely, and so you know, he's thinking he's having this like covert relationship. The reality is the government's listening to him every night, you know, having sex with her uh uh on you know their headphones, listening to every little thing they're talking about. And I would imagine that, you know, in the fallout of you know all this JFK stuff, I mean, he had to have spilled a lot to her as well, you know, and and that's just one location. He could have been bugged a lot of other places, too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, pillow talk can get you, man. Pillow talk can get you.
SPEAKER_00That's when you're your most honest, you know. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01A victim of his own success. Well, where do you land on it, man? Sum it up for me. What are your final thoughts? Where do you land in terms of this shoot?
SPEAKER_00I would say I I think your theory is 100% right. I think it's a loose end. I think he was a liability, and they were not ever going to let him become president, period. Now, the setup for all of it, I do think is accurate because it's very reminiscent of JFK. It's the exact same playbook. It's just a little bit different with the MK Ultra Wrinkle. And I think at the end of the day, would they have gotten away with this thing? Uh, by all accounts, they they kind of already have, truthfully, because Sirhan Sirhan is still in jail. Uh, he still says he has no memory of ever doing any of this. Clearly, his gun never actually hit RFK whatsoever. But they they've hung him as the Patsy, and they would have clearly gotten away with it if they never would have been able to identify the woman in the polka dot dress. But the fact that she ties directly into MKUltra makes me think that he was absolutely the Manchurian candidate. But just because he was a Manchurian candidate doesn't mean that they said the keyword and he would have been accurate enough to shoot the gun to kill uh Kennedy. Clearly, he did not, you know. So, yes, they activated him, but that doesn't mean he's an accurate shot all of a sudden because he's hypnotized. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, apparently. And so the guy behind him shot him and killed him. You know, the Garrett hit.
SPEAKER_01Like I said, they probably just activated him as a distraction, right? A man walks into a room firing a revolver.
SPEAKER_00Everyone's gonna look that way. Exactly right. Nobody's looking behind Kennedy, they're all looking in front.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I think it's a pretty open and shut case. The paradigm shift solves another one. Chalk one up for the good guys.
SPEAKER_00Chalk it up, man. Chalk it up. I'll tell you the the the CIA, you don't you don't mess around with the CIA, you don't get in their crosshairs. And again, going back to the the JFK episode, I think the brothers simply made too many enemies, you know, like they they they push the envelope too far in too many different directions, and the reality is is when you're that exposed, you can't do that, you know.
SPEAKER_01You know things sometimes you just gotta shut up. Yeah. Right. So all right. Well, that is it for us here on the paradigm shift. We will be back again, of course, next week with two more episodes. I am excited to talk about the season finale of House of Dragons.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that'll that'll be a really fun one. I know this second to last episode was very exciting. We're planning to cover that one as well as the finale.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because they have a funny way of doing that with uh with House of the Dragon. It's not just the season finale that is a jaw-dropping episode, it's usually the last two, and we saw that in last week's episode, but we're not gonna ruin it for you. We're gonna break it all down for you next week.
SPEAKER_00So, with that, stay tuned. Got a got a fun week planned, and we will see you on the next one. Shift out.
SPEAKER_01God bless.