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Paradigm Shift: The Charlie Kirk Theories
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Listen As Big Rob & Jesse Dive Deep Into The Death Of Charlie Kirk To Determine What REALLY Happened
All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of The Paradigm Shift. I, of course, am Big Rob back with Jesse. What's going on, buddy?
SPEAKER_02Hey man, glad to be back. I know uh today's episode is going to be very, very interesting. We're gonna get into the weeds of this thing to try and determine what really happened, just like we did with JFK, just like we did with RFK. We got another assassination for today's episode, and this time it is Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER_00Charlie Kirk, very controversial topic. A lot of heat around this one, my friend. Even after some time has passed. Uh, will we be censored on it? Only time will tell. Let's see. Let's dive into it here. So you have I have the top 10 conspiracy theories uh revolving around uh the Charlie Kirk assassination. However, you have one that I don't have that I'd like to kick off with. What do you got for us?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And let me first preface this by saying, um, you know, obviously today's topic, just like the other assassinations, involves the death of Charlie Kirk, right? And I gotta say that I remember the day that it happened. And I'm not I'm not sure where you were, uh, but I was I was here in my office and one of my friends called me and he said, Did you hear Charlie Kirk got shot? And I was like, What? And at the time, I I had never even heard of Charlie Kirk. I said, Who's Charlie Kirk? I don't even know him. It's like, oh, he was he was speaking in a university and he got shot. Oh my god, it's terrible. And so um, I don't know if you saw the the video. I did I saw the video and gosh, it was graphic and it was awful. And I I, you know, just just a terrible thing to happen to anybody. So let me just say that up front. What whatever your thoughts were about him, you know, I think it was just awful. Um, but you know, that being said, and everything that's been transpiring afterwards, this this story has gotten weirder and weirder um as time has gone on. And so uh it's an interesting one. So you know, before I I get into that first theory, you remember where you were at when you heard this one?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was actually live streaming on YouTube, uh, literally in the middle of a live stream, and somebody had said in the comment section, so I was like, What are you talking about? So I uh jumped over to X real quick while I was streaming, and uh yeah, video was going viral, and I was just I mean, you know, it's so it's just weird. I just happened to be live on YouTube at the time that it happened.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, yeah, pretty, pretty wild event. And you know, I I think Charlie Kirk, um, with his views, personal, political, they were somewhat polarizing, depending on who you're talking to, right? Um, and so I think that's why this this whole topic is such a a lightning rod, you know. I I feel like, you know, it kind of reminds me, I have this line that uh, you know, light life is not like a absolute yes or no kind of thing. It's it's like you it's give and take, right? Nothing's always gonna win and nothing's always gonna lose. You got to kind of meet in the middle somewhere. And I think this is a topic where people really want to pull it all the way to one side or the other, right? And I I think for us that this is gonna be a good episode to kind of see what it looks like, at least in the middle, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I think that, and yes, I am I am a Christian, as you know, but I I feel like all life is precious. So, like you said, it doesn't matter what you thought about him, whether you agreed with the things that he said, his beliefs, or you didn't. Um, all life is precious, uh, regardless. And I think that sometimes we get so caught up in uh the hoopla of our everyday lives and what our individual beliefs are and how offended or not offended we are by something, we forget about uh the bigger picture, and that is that all life is indeed precious, doesn't matter uh you know whether you like them or not. Uh so it's definitely a tragedy, uh, no matter who, no matter who it is, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And I think that that online there's just this echo chamber that resonates, whether it's good, bad, and different, it resonates either way, and it it kind of skews, I think, it pulls us away from reality, you know. Like one of the things recently with the World Cup that I really enjoyed was, you know, a lot of people said this, it's like, you know, why are we fighting wars anywhere? Let's let's just go out and play soccer. Let's see what happens, right? It's in, you know, this Charlie Kirk thing is sort of the same thing where it's like it's so polarizing. But that being said, let's get into it.
SPEAKER_00Let's dive in, buddy. What do you got for us?
SPEAKER_02All right. So the first thing that I've got, and and then uh, you know, we'll we'll delve deep into your list, was the uh the official story uh has this kid, Tyler Robinson, uh shooting the Mauser model 98 bolt action rifle, and supposedly with 30 odd six bullets, right? So if if you or you know our our listeners are unfamiliar with the 30 odd six bullet, I mean this is a massive bullet, massive. Um, to the point that these are the bullets, you know, like if you shot like an elephant with one of these things, it's going down and it's going down hard. Um whatever you're shooting with with that kind of round, uh, it's the kind of round that could blow off body parts, etc. And so one of the things that um stood out almost immediately with with the official story, and and where I've seen it a lot, uh, specifically is with uh guys that are like hunters, right? That that fire these rounds regularly when they're hunting bucks and things like that. Um, and and time and time again they said there is no way in hell that he was shot with a 30 odd six bullet in the neck because it literally would have blown his head off. And the interesting thing is the official story is really just I don't even know where it came from, but it's like it kind of went out immediately. 30 odd six bullet, that's what he got hit with, and that's that. Okay. Um, I I'm not sure that's accurate. So throwing it out there to you. What do you think?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree with you. I think that uh a lot of people don't know that kind of stuff, like the impacts of different types of bullets and and the guns that are they're coming from. And you know, thinking back on the video for sure, it it definitely did not look like it was a high, I want to say high impact, but not to that degree. Came in clean, you know, hole in the neck.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, immediately, obviously, you know, blood comes out and stuff like that pouring out. But I I I have to agree, I think that a bullet that big would have just blown his neck right off his shoulders and his head would not no longer be attached.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. I mean, that's the kind of bullet that Rambo fires.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um where there's like arms and legs flying off bodies, right?
SPEAKER_02Like exactly, like, like not to make light of this, but like in one of the um one of the more recent Rambo movies, I mean, he's got like the world's biggest gun with the biggest bullets ever, and he's just firing away in Loos or wherever he is, just mowing people down, right? And and that's that's like what the official story is on this thing. And it it just it doesn't even see remotely in the in the universe of reality. Like, like any, like I said, any any firearms expert that testifies in court could could tell you immediately that's not the bullet that did this. Immediately, you know, so it's just very, very weird that they threw that out there right away and they said, that's what it is, you know, that's really weird.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's well, I mean, it's kind of standard based on our last couple of videos with JFK and RFK senior and stuff like that. It you know, that kind of a storyline does kind of fit with what they would put out there because the average person doesn't know you know the types of bullets and types of guns and you know what the impact or it is gonna look like. Most people don't know that, and they know that that's not that's not a common knowledge, common sense kind of a thing, so they can put that out there without fear of people going, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. People just go, oh, okay. In fact, most people probably didn't even hear what type of bullet it was allegedly.
SPEAKER_02Probably not, probably not. And and honestly, I would say that half of how I've followed this topic is through Instagram, where the way the algorithm works in Instagram is if you watch like you know 80-90 percent of a certain type of video, it'll keep feeding you videos similar to that, right? And I went through a loop at one point with Charlie Kirk videos, and it was just one after another, you know. And I'm seeing all these hunters talking about how there's just no way that that round was fired into him. No way, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, not with the damage that we saw caused, right? So interesting. We're gonna have to put a tack in that one, and maybe it will relate to some of the other uh theories that we have going on here. So, number one on my list is Israel, uh, or the Jews ordered the hit. The single most widespread claim Israel or Jewish donors slash groups assassinated Kirk because he was becoming critical of Israel, risked turning on them, or as a false flag to influence U.S. politics or distract from uh Gaza, uh variants blame uh Net Netanyahu? Netanyahu. Netanyahu, I butchered that one. Oh, uh specifically, or claim it was uh to let Ben Shapiro take over turning point USA. That feels like a little bit of a stretch, but uh Israel's uh PM publicly called it a monstrous big lie. Um, obviously he's gonna say that, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So what do you what is your take on that?
SPEAKER_02Well, if you're ready to go down the rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_00Was it Ben Shapiro? Was it in support of Ben not was it Ben Shapiro, but was it so that Ben Shapiro could take over Turning Point USA?
SPEAKER_02That I don't know, but but was it that country or some apparatus of it in some shape or form, right? Um let's go down the rabbit hole. So if you watch the video or have seen different versions of the video and seen it slowed down significantly, and this probably ties into some other stuff on your list there. Um you can clearly see where his shirt jumps and then he gets shot kind of from from down going upward, right? And it it at least looks like in the videos when they're slowed down significantly, that's not a bullet. Okay. Now, why that's really interesting is that I want to say within the last year, couple years, whatever it was, um, Israel uh had a plan uh to take out uh leadership of Hamas. And at the time, Hamas was using pagers, right? So everybody remembers pagers from like you know the 90s. Apparently, Hamas was still using them, like you know, 30 years later. Like no one's used a pager anywhere else.
SPEAKER_00Uh 1995.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah, they were still using pagers, and so uh Israel in the in the Mossad had this genius plan uh to essentially put explosives in the Hamas pagers, okay? And they they uh tested this specifically so that if a pager were to blow up, it would kill the person who had the pager on them, but no one else, right? So they're not they're not trying to do like a terror attack or anything like that, but they're trying to do uh specific to just the person. And what's fascinating is that they were able to load the explosives on something like it was like 800 pagers or something like this, and they actually detonated them all at the same time on Hamas, right? Oh yes, so all of these guys that had the pager on them died, blew up, dead. Okay, and what's interesting about this also, and uh, you know, I may have mentioned this on a different episode. Um when Iran, in the I think it was the 70s, when they killed the Israeli Olympic team. Uh, Israel later got vengeance on them through the Massad. And the way they did it was by blowing them up, uh, mainly things like car bombs, apartment bombs, etc. That's what they did, right? They blew them up. And and uh Spielberg did a movie called Munich that that followed. Great movie, by the way. Excellent movie, right? And it it followed them around, and as they tracked down the various killers of their Olympic team, they blew up like all of them, right? Crazy. Um, so point point being is that there's a bit of a track record for this exact type of thing to occur. Okay. So going back to the video, the video is slowed down. You see his shirt jump upward, and he gets shot in the neck, something hits him in the neck, and he, you know, he instantly tenses up, he's gone, right? So the question is is was this sort of in that same uh possibility? Could it could it possibly be in that same realm? So if you think about the size of a pager and the size of his microphone device, were they roughly the same size? Yes. Okay. And so the idea here is that, well, if it was them and they simply detonated it and it went off, why? Right? What why why would they target him specifically? And and this is where you get into a bit of a touchy subject here in the US. And the touchy subject has always been that basically since World War II, the US has had Israel's back no matter what, right? Period. And what's interesting is where Israel is at, um, all of the countries around them hate them. Everybody. They all hate them, right? And if it wasn't for the US backing Israel, Israel probably wouldn't exist, right? So Israel has a very pointed interest in having US support. And so because of this, they have a massive lobby in the US, APAC. And APAC pays for like at least 75% of the US government representatives. Like a large amount, uh, an amount large enough to the point that nothing is ever questioned. Nothing, right? And and what's crazy is that, you know, like some of this stuff has been coming to light post Charlie Kirk, you know, like, you know, Israel has, you know, national health care, pays for college, all these things that in the US, we don't we don't protect anybody. It's like figure out your own health care, figure out your own college, you know, and the people in the U.S. are going, well, wait a minute, why are we giving all this money to them and they're getting all the benefits that we want, but you're telling me we don't have any money?
SPEAKER_00Valid question.
SPEAKER_02Very valid, right? And and so apparently leading up to this event, uh, Charlie Kirk had made it public that he was no longer in support of the state of Israel. He had said that publicly, which is like something that publicly you don't do, especially when you're a political or let's call him like a quasi-political figure, because he's in the political realm, right? And everybody knows who he is. He's absolutely influential, he's he's got significant influence, and he came out publicly against. Okay. And so the the question really kind of comes down to like it's it's not a it's not a question of capability. Does does the country have the capability? Yes. Do they have the track record? Yes. Could they have done this? Absolutely. Really, it just comes down to uh did they, right? Like, did they truly have the desire to take it that far to take him out? Was there more going on behind the curtain that maybe we're not aware of? More that you know, he was gonna say or do publicly to be determined, right? You know, because after this, you know, there's some other figures out there, kind of like Tucker Carlson, though we're kind of quiet about it. I think really the only person, uh, as far as I'm aware, publicly that's that's been uh outspoken on this is uh Candace Owens, right? But most of them have all kept quiet for good reason. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they don't want to be next.
SPEAKER_02They don't want to be next, yes. So it at the end of the day, is it possible that that's what occurred? I think it's more than possible.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, it's it's kind of a chain reaction, potentially, right? I can see why, like you just said, he he's extremely influential, and you have all the people who listen to him and he influences, they vote. And if he turns them, most of his listeners, into the the same to have the same perspective of you know, no longer supporting Israel, well, they're gonna vote according to that stance as well. So it is kind of a funny chain reaction how that uh how that happens, right? Uh I'm speaking about Congress and you know, so on and so forth. So, so I could see how that that uh influential influence could have a much larger impact that people on the surface might not actually realize, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and and I think the other thing to keep in mind here too is that um, like I was saying, Israel is not surrounded by friends geographically, right? So this is a country that sort of has to operate in ultimatums, right? It's all or nothing. Like you we're gonna guarantee that you support us, right? And you know, there's other examples of this, which could be another great episode. Cough, cough, the Epstein files, cough, cough, you know, that kind of allude to essentially. Uh, they're gonna do whatever it takes to protect their interests, period. Um, and so this was a this was a very public event, you know, very public, and it was graphic and it's on video. And I don't I don't know if that necessarily um would be the goal. I don't think it would, but I can see where the exploding microphone, you know, it's kind of like, well, when would he have it on him, you know, and let's just do it then. So it's a bit of a stretch to me to do it that publicly. I would say that.
SPEAKER_00Well, that topic we'll dive a little bit, we'll brush back into it a little bit later because it is uh one uh it's number five on our list is the exploding microphone. So we will get into that a little bit more, but we did we did kind of cover it uh pretty good. Uh so yes, I I I have to tend to agree with you there based on uh the argument presented, entirely possible. So for now, I'm gonna tack that into the maybe file.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Number two on the where you where are you putting it? For sure, maybe or no chance.
SPEAKER_02I think it's a high probability. Okay, that's where I'd put it.
SPEAKER_00Number two on the list Tyler Robinson was a patsy. Now we love it. Exploring the Patsy angle, man. The Patsy angle. Uh, he was not the shooter, not even on campus. Robinson is framed um as a framed patsy or decoy. The real shooter was someone else. Candace Owens and others have pushed this heavily, sometimes claiming it was only a spotter. He was only a spotter, sorry. Um it's interesting to me because we just broke this down in great detail with JFK and RFK as well. Um which kind of almost pulls me in the direction of something similar in terms of who was responsible. I don't know. We'll have to dive into the motives behind it, but I mean, I'm noticing a pattern here.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying it was aliens. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. What do you think? Is Tyler Robinson a Patsy? And uh that he allegedly was not even on campus. Well, how did they catch him on campus then? I don't understand that.
SPEAKER_02Well, the story is that he was on the rooftop. So in this story, um, there's a film of him running, supposedly him, running across the roof, right? Now we know from the other assassinations we recently covered that the way that this typically goes down is there's a patsy that everybody looks at, but that's that's almost never the killer. The killer is always right next to the victim, right? Almost always. And we saw that with JFK, we saw that with RFK, and I think we see that with Charlie Kirk as well. So in terms of this uh this kid, so remember he's got the rifle with the 30-odd six rounds. I already think that that story is completely bogus because if he had hit him, his his head, I mean, you know, like if you hit like a pumpkin at 200 yards with a 30-odd sixth round, it's going to completely explode, right? So that story isn't even factually based whatsoever. So, first of all, I I think we can say pretty definitively, no, he didn't shoot him. Because clearly he doesn't have the weapon to do it, right? Um that's that's part number one. Um now, in terms of him, like what's his backstory, right? Like he was, I think maybe early 20s, um, supposedly very intelligent. Uh, you know, then the story gets really weird about, you know, somebody threw in something about his trans roommate and his weird relationship, or I don't know, were they roommates or more, right?
SPEAKER_00That that almost felt like it was seasoning to um again destroy the the character it while creating motive for him at the same time and the whole patsy part of it, right? Uh, how do we make dress this guy up to make him look to the point we want him to look very unsympathetic? We want no one to care about what happens to this guy.
SPEAKER_02Yes, character assassination, and again, we saw that with Lee Harvey Oswald, we saw that with Sirhan Sirhan, uh, one one with the Russian tie, the other from being from Iran. And in this one, you have this uh relationship, whatever's being alleged with the roommate, and the roommate is supposedly transgender. However, that plays into any of this, who knows? But the point is to make him somehow not normal, right? No, yeah. So we have that. Um, now it is part of this story, also, with him being the Patsy, this is another part that makes no sense at all. Is there's this the story about the gun and the gun being hidden in his pants is is part of their story. So I don't know if you've ever tried to run with a rifle on your pant leg. I'm not quite sure why. Yeah, I mean it it'd be like running like peg leg Pete, like like you can't bend your knee, clearly. And and ironically, in the video, he's clearly running in well, if it's him, he's running and his knees are bending, right? So so the story about the gun is really weird that the gun was uh like disassembled, reassembled, disassembled, dropped somewhere. Even the um, even the scope, the the scope that's on this hunting rifle is apparently all the way back near like the butt of the gun. And people have said, like, if he actually fired this, the scope would have like gave him like a black eye. Like it's it's so far back, it's ridiculous. Yeah, the recoil would have been, yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so I think when you look at the elements of of it of him being the patsy, a lot of it's there. And even even at the you know, the turning him in or whatever it was, like it had something to do with his dad and a priest, and them supposedly getting him to like turn himself in. But I don't just like the other patsies, I don't know if he's I don't think he's ever publicly came out and said it was me, I did it. I I haven't heard that not one time, and we've also not really heard anything at all about this, which which again kind of falls in line with those other assassinations, right? Like we never got any information uh from any of these guys, really. And in this case with uh Tyler Robinson, uh, we've pretty much heard nothing. Nothing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, I'm actually looking up right now if he has made any public statements, uh Tyler Robinson, that is, in regards to the to the situation. But uh I am noticing as we go through a lot more of these uh these conspiracies, a definite, a definite pattern. And we've talked many times about how there's no such thing as a coincidence, right? That these kinds of situations always seem to play out the same way where you have the character assassination of the of the accused to the point where people don't care about what happens to the individual, um, you know, and they're they're like same thing with uh our RFK, right? Yeah, or with the J JFK, the the gun that was used, it was JFK, the gun that was used doesn't match, and it's it wasn't his gun. It's it's this all of this stuff that's that's seems to be consistent every single time. It's like they have a playbook, a copy and paste uh cover up, and they just apply it whenever they need to.
SPEAKER_02Well, well, they do, and you know, we talked about this in the other episode that I think a lot of this has to do with the justice system in the US, that the prosecutors have have a have an end game, they have a verdict, right? You're guilty, and then they just sort of make up how we got there, you know, and they try to connect all these loose dots to say, see, he's definitely guilty. But if if you start at the beginning and you actually follow the various steps, it I don't see how you get to to him being guilty.
SPEAKER_00You know, here's here's an interesting little bit of information. So apparently he did confess, right? Um a written handwritten confession, apparently, according to prosecutors have described at least 11 written admissions of of uh his kind. What 11?
SPEAKER_02Okay, let yeah, let's talk about that. So that's his text messages, that's what they're referring to.
SPEAKER_00No, oh, his text. No, they're talking about handwritten.
SPEAKER_02No, there I don't think there was anything that was handwritten in this. Or if it was, I highly doubt it was him. I know there was uh text messages back and forth, supposedly between him and the roommate. Tweet and and people called on those as being completely fake because the way that they're styled, it's it's like Shakespeare. It it it's it's like not an everyday language at all.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not how people talk, right? Yeah, it's like talking, it's like talking to someone from uh from a third world country or something like that, and they're trying to scam you, and but they don't they don't speak quite proper English, so they're they're talking in weird ways, like people don't talk like that, right?
SPEAKER_02Like, yes, yeah, yeah. And that's exactly what those confessions are, they're just like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh, so apparently, according to this, a handwritten note he left under a keyboard for his roommate and romantic partner, Lance Twiggs. It stated uh variations of quote, uh, I had the opportunity to take out Kirk, uh, and I took it, or I'm going to take it, uh, along with the expression that he might be dead or facing long prison sentence. And then that that's the handwritten part, and then the text message part to Twiggs after September 10th. Interesting date, September 10th, day before September 11th. Yeah, um, shooting uh uh so key examples when Twiggs asked, quote, you weren't one, uh you weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson replied, quote, I am, I'm sorry. He also uh texted that he had it had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. Uh text the thing with text is there's so many easy ways to fake texting. Like you could send a text that anyone could send a text from his phone, anyone can uh there's apps out there that you can uh what uh uh mirror somebody's phone number and make it look like the text is coming from that phone, and there's all kinds of like they've got so many text systems out there now. Like uh what's that? What's tornate like tornado cash for texting almost, right? Yeah, this is like signal, yeah. Yeah, that means nothing to me personally.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I I I agree with you 100%. I mean, did did the texts supposedly show up to the roommate? Yes. Did he write the texts? Who knows? You know, again, they're texts coming supposedly from his phone number, but do we have any proof that he actually typed them? Yeah, no, right? And and the same thing too, with the weird note is you know, did anyone see him write the note? No. Okay, do we even know if the the handwriting is in the ballpark of his own handwriting? I mean, again, you know, it it kind of reminds me going back to RFK, and not to say that this happened here with the Manchurian candidate, but there are some sort of some weird kind of inklings to it in a way that you know again. Do do we really have any any hard proof? Is there any hard proof here? Like, I think all of that evidence is highly circumstantial, and I would throw it all out.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's why I mean that's why I say that this reminds me of JFK and RFKs, because with JFK, for example, same thing. They say, Well, bullet came from his gun, but there's not a single eyewitness that actually saw him shoot his gun. Yeah, right, like, but maybe it did, but nobody saw him shoot it, right? Does it so no one can actually prove or say that it was him that shot his gun?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and in this case, the only footage that we have is of Tyler Robinson supposedly running across the roof, again, with a rifle in his pant leg that somehow his legs can bend. Figure that one out. Don't know. Right, right, but but we we don't have like we don't even have like a camera of him like like in position, supposedly firing or any of these things, right?
SPEAKER_00No, none of it.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00Um all right, so number three on the list. It was a staged, it was staged or a hoax, and Kirk is still alive. The shooting was fake. Psyops involving Kirk and his wife, Trump or officials. Um variants claim Kirk is in hiding. Related proofs include uh alleged squibs or blood packs, uh, a ring that supposedly switched fingers on video or other video anomalies. Is Kirk still alive? Is he hanging out with Tupac and Michael Jackson somewhere?
SPEAKER_02I gotta say no. I I do not think Kirk is still alive. Um if you saw the original video, uh, when the when it happens, you see him instantly bleed out of his neck and you see him completely tense up and he goes down. I I don't think he's alive. Now, obviously, you know, this is some other weird stuff, which I'm sure we'll cover more in the aftermath of his death and what the grieving widow did. But, you know, do we have any proof that he was cremated or anything? One of the things that I always thought on this story that's extremely weird is you never hear from anyone else in his family. You don't hear from his parents, I don't know if he had any siblings or not, friends, literally anyone. I haven't heard from a single one of them talk about, you know, a real funeral or him being cremated or whatever. I I don't know. And you know, with with that along those same lines, the other thing here that um I I think also occurred was that there was like no autopsy. Pretty sure there was no autopsy on this one, which again, when you have the murder of a somebody in public, especially you know, a personality like this, and you you basically don't do any medical investigation, and you just say, yeah, case closed, it's it's done and over. Uh the kid did it, and that's that. And and you know, with that, I don't know if you saw, but um at the university this was at, you know, that was basically a crime scene, and like the day after, I think they like paved over it or something, like they did some huge renovation and completely completely like erased the whole crime scene immediately.
SPEAKER_00I was muted there, yeah. And uh again, no such thing uh as a coincidence. It's funny how that happened, right? Yeah, so apparently, from what I have found, and an autopsy was performed on Charlie Kirk by the Utah office of the medical examiner. It took place on late on September 10th, which is the same day, uh, and possibly into the early hours of September 11th. The report lists the cause of death as a gunshot wound to the neck and the manner of death uh as homicide, bullet fragments, including a jacket fragment, uh, and lead pieces were removed from the body during the autopsy. The full autopsy report is confidential under Utah law and has not been publicly released.
SPEAKER_02What a coincidence.
SPEAKER_00Wow. So there you go. You're absolutely right. It's uh it's being it's it's it's not legal to sorry, it's I I can't. I can't they can't let you see it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just just can't let you. And and you know, you you think too, like uh, I think in RFK we talked about the different shooters and the different bullets and the the barrel of the gun, right? Um, different markings on the bullets. And this one they just say, yeah, there there was lead. First of all, I don't even know if you're telling the truth because you won't support the document, but then um on top of that, how do I know that didn't come from the exploding microphone? Yeah, shrapnel, right?
SPEAKER_00I agree with you on that one. I do not think that he is hanging out with Kirk Cobain and Tupac.
SPEAKER_02No, no, I think he's gone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, number four on the list second shooter slash shot from below or via a tunnel or palm gun. Someone else fired the fatal shot from a tunnel under the stage or a bystander using a concealed palm gun. Candace Owens floated the tunnel idea, another viral version focused on uh man near Kirk adjusting his sleeve. Uh, right off the bat, I gotta say, man, watching the video, the shirt reacts significantly before his you you see the the shot to the neck, yeah. So yeah, this makes so much sense to me.
SPEAKER_02So you so you think it was a bullet from a tunnel?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, it it I'm what I'm saying right now is based on what I've seen in terms of the video, and I've seen it a lot. It does look like the bullet hits in an upward trajectory, hitting his shirt first. Um, and I know that they say, Oh, well, it it hit his it hit his chest and deflected up into his neck. What is he Superman? Like, but only in the pectoral region? Like, yeah, how did the bullet deflect off his chest and up into his neck without putting a hole in his chest?
SPEAKER_02Great point, great point. You know, I I I kind of think about that one like the exploding microphone. If it genuinely exploded, would the shirt have puffed up like that? Definitely, you know, the shirt would have blew up, and probably the shrapnel would have hit at the same time, and then there then it would have happened. And that's kind of what it looks like in the video. Now, I would say, you know, it in some of the videos I've seen on this, there is there is something with like one of the windows nearby where you can sort of see a flash or something. Was that a shooter? I don't think so. Um, was there somehow a shooter in front of him that went off the signal of the guy? Maybe. Now now, what's really interesting about this one again. Um this this brings you back to RFK with his, you know, quote, security detail, right? Is that Charlie Kirk had a security detail around him, including this muscle-bound guy, that definitely, if you see the video, he does a he does a motion, like there's like a hat motion with one guy, and then he does the sleeve, and then it immediately happens. And where I think that story is true, is that what do they do afterwards? You know, like if this was a genuine uh shot, a genuine assassin, they didn't know it was coming in their security, you'd be getting down immediately, you'd be scanning, you'd have your your gun out. They didn't do any of that. Yeah, you would be surprised.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they did not respond in a way that they're shocked, you know. Uh what do we do here? Like there, there was none of that. It was all just like the comp like it was expected.
SPEAKER_02Correct, correct. And again, just just like in the case of RFK's security detail, do I have the bank bank accounts of of Charlie Kirk's security detail? Can I see where money is exchanged back and forth with these guys? Nope. Never seen that. Um, are you ever gonna see it? Nope.
SPEAKER_00No, it's not on the blockchain. Sorry, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. You ain't never gonna see that. Um, so could there potentially let's let's say like the the microphone thing, let's say that didn't happen. Could there have been a another shooter? Possibly. But I think the microphone is a better bet because again, going back to the Patsy theory, the guaranteed kill is the closest proximity, right? And the closest proximity would have been a microphone that he was wearing versus a shooter in the audience, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree. Uh I do want to get into the exploding microphone theory because, well, that is number five. Uh, that's an exponent on our list, but it kind of goes with number four in that. Um, now when you now when you asked me if I thought it was specifically a tunnel underneath him, the reason I responded the way that I did was not to say, yes, I think there was a tunnel underneath him, but to say that it looked as though the impact had come from below his his neckline hitting his shirt first. And that is why I answered it the way that I did, because it does seem as though um it was an exploding microphone, which I which is number five, and I'd like to really dive into here. Alright, so uh number five, like I said, killed by an exploding microphone or incinerary device, not a bullet, but a device planted in the mic or elsewhere, prompted uh as an alternative to the official ballistics. Now, this is the direction I'm personally leaning in. Um, it clearly uh originates in his upper chest area where his shirt again responds significantly before you see any kind of puncture wound in his neck or anything like that, right? And no, I'm sorry. If you believe that a bullet bounced off his chest and shot up into his neck, I got a bridge to nowhere that I'll sell you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I I I agree with you. I I think you you hit the nail on the head. It it's the shirt, right? Like if all you got to do is look at the shirt in the video, and the shirt does not react in a normal way. The shirt is weird, like like it puffs up, you know, something comes from below and and fires up into his neck. I mean, it something is really weird there with the shirt that doesn't add up.
SPEAKER_00No, there's no possible way if the shooter hit him in the neck, that the shirt would have responded before the bullet hit him.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00The way that it did. A bullet, by the way, that would have blown his head clean off his shoulders. Let us not forget about that.
SPEAKER_02Well, well, and and not only that, this is another thing the hunters bring up as well, going back to the bullet, is that there would have been blood uh everywhere, absolutely everywhere, you know. And this thing, like the way that he got hit, it was kind of like it just went straight out of him, and that was it, and we never really saw anything, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I think we've landed pretty pretty squarely on that one. We we did explore the exploding uh microphone earlier. So is that the are you leaning in the same direction as me then? I assume that uh yeah, we're going with the exploding microphone as opposed to the bullet.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. So I I think the microphone ties into the Patsy theory, and uh that that seems to be where we're going.
SPEAKER_00It also fits in with uh the Israel theory as well. Yeah, I love I love putting these puzzles together, man. Number six on the list involvement of Erica Trump um or internal betrayal. Kirk's widow and org turning point staff are implicated in a cover-up or the killing itself, sometimes uh sometimes tied to donor disputes or Israel pressure. Personally, I gotta I gotta I'm not buying this one, man.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so I don't know if I'm buying it, but let's let's talk about Erica Kirk. Okay. Um I I know there are some there are some weird ties between her past and Trump, as well as to potentially some of the Israel type connections, right? Which makes me wonder, was this an arranged marriage? I think likely it probably was. Um however, uh I I don't know necessarily if she was in on it. Now, what I would say is that following his death, her actions are bizarre, extremely bizarre. You know, like like again, you know, think of back to like Jackie O and the car with JFK, right? Um, and and we talked about how the driver shot him, and the reason you can tell that is because she she literally climbs onto the back of the car.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Whereas if the bullets were coming from outside in, she would have been ducking. She didn't do that at all, right? The thing with with Erica Kirk that's just bizarre, you know, her husband is publicly murdered, right? She has multiple children with him, multiple children, right? I think most women in that scenario would take their kids and they would leave the limelight forever. You're never gonna see me again. I'm yeah, that's it. We're we're not dealing with any more of this. Goodbye, right? Yeah, she's done the exact opposite. I mean, they basically had like a like a WWE event at the state farm uh stadium in Arizona forum, you know, there was like pyrotechnics and you know, all this, all this craziness. There was all this like phony political stuff around it. And at no point did you see like his real family, the people that actually cared about him, right? At no point, right? And and that's that's the weird part to me is like you're telling me he had no friends, he had no parents, he had no siblings, he had no relatives, not a single person came out and said anything, nothing.
SPEAKER_00It was all pomp and circumstance, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then immediately following, you know, when you talk about like motive and and things like that, now I I don't think I don't think she did it. But you got to see on the flip side who took over turning point. She did. And on the flip side, you know, has she been more public than ever? Arguably, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, um, arguably, I never knew who she was before.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, yeah, it it's very, very weird her actions post-shooting. They don't add up at all.
SPEAKER_00I do agree with you there. I mean, uh, it's hard to know what's real and what's not at this point when it comes to her, though, because there's so many exaggerated like videos out there and claims out there and stuff like that as well. Um, like she's out like this. I saw so many videos that are like she's out partying and stuff like that, and it's like, well, I don't even know what's real anymore when it comes to that because of because there's just so much, right? But I agree with you. Um, it is strange to have just a bunch of pomp and circumstance at a at a you know celebration of life, whatever you want to call it, for him, and not actually have anyone come out and tell any actual stories about who he was as a person or anything. Nothing. That is odd.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's very odd. You know, I I saw one of the videos of her where she was doing one of these turning point events and she's backstage and she's putting the visine, you know, like to make it look like she's been crying. Clearly, she wasn't. I mean, it's like like come on.
SPEAKER_00Well, I have a I have a question for her. Do you think that that's a decision that she made, or do you think that uh marketers and and and stuff like that, uh the people that work for turning point and all this kind of stuff, do you think that they told her, look, this is what you need to do? Could be both.
SPEAKER_02It could be both. You know, I I I think I don't I don't know if there's evidence to say that she was uh in on it, right? I I don't I don't necessarily I haven't seen anything that uh shows that in any way, shape, or form. But it does seem like after the fact that she's kind of a bit of a conspirator in this thing, in the sense that her actions are just very, very odd. There's no grieving whatsoever. You know, there's there's nothing real. This is the problem I have with it. There is nothing real, you know, like like if that was genuinely like your partner that died.
SPEAKER_00I mean, uh, like I said, this is the father of your kids, and you're gonna go out on like a like a world tour and and and try to be public about it, like what that kind of it kind of feels to me, and I'm not saying this, but the feel it gives me, and it might be straight out of a movie or something, uh, but it's like I when I think about her behavior and all of these things, I just have this image of a team of people in a room telling her what type of image she needs to put out there. You need to be strong, you need to, you're taking over turning point. It's almost like turning points. People told her this is who you need to be to show strength for the company, blah blah blah blah blah. Show strength in yourself, we'll keep all Charlie's stuff. I don't know. I'm not saying that's what happened. That's definitely what kind of comes to mind, though, is that there's a room of people telling her we need to create an image for you here. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what it gives me.
SPEAKER_02I could see that. I could see that there's there's some sort of narrative driving her from where specifically. I don't know if we we know, but it's not normal, yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00I agree. I don't think she had anything to do with the the assassination or knew about it or anything like that, nor do I think turning point did. But I do think that they're responsible for trying to develop this this public persona of her since then, though. Yeah, okay. Uh number seven, everything is trans, transgender militants. The killing is tied to Robinson's transgender partner or broader trans ideology as the real driver beyond the official political motive.
SPEAKER_02Give me some evidence.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Again, this this leads right back to the character assassination of uh of him, yeah, in my opinion. Yeah, it's it's doesn't mean anything.
SPEAKER_02It it means absolutely nothing. You gotta give me some hard evidence to support that claim, and I haven't seen anything.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I I agree with you 100% on that. I think that that's just uh sprinkles on top of the uh character assassination. That's all that is. They they don't want people, especially people on the right, they don't want people having any sort of sympathy for this person as a human being, they don't want people to care about what happens to them if he if he gets epsteined in prison. You know, it is what it is. Nobody's gonna ask any questions or look too deep into it, right? Right.
SPEAKER_02Yep, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_00Uh, number eight would be the deep state left wing, uh, George Soros or broader left conspiracy, organized left-wing or deep state plot, sometimes including DSA membership claims that have been uh debunked. Some left-leaning versions uh instead insist Robinson was right wing. There was that, right? Didn't uh one of the what was that? What's that guy's name? The late night talk show guy that got fired for a couple of days because he tried to say it was uh you're talking about Kimmel, yeah, Kimmel, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What what do you think about that? Do you think it was um the deep state?
SPEAKER_02Uh I I I think that's a great talking point, but again, give me some evidence. Anything, anything you got, let's let's see the evidence. And and I would say going beyond that, that you know, I I think politics is like a it's like a circle, right? So if you start at the top, that's like craziness on the left, and you go around the circle, and at the bottom is like normal, right? But if you keep going around the circle, you go all the way to the top on the right, and that's craziness again. And it kind of bleeds into each other that they're just nuts, right? So I do think it's possible that you could have completely insane nutcase people on the left, just like you have completely insane nutcase people on the right. But was anybody like that involved in this? I don't see any evidence of that at all. This seems much more coordinated.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I agree with you. I I think that that's uh I think that's debunked. You heard it here first on the paradigm shift, by the way. We're solving these mysteries for you in real time, my friends.
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SPEAKER_00That's why you gotta give us a five-star review and a follow and a download. Yes. Um number nine, Trump mega internal false flag to distract from the Epstein files. Was this a distraction?
SPEAKER_02Yes, it's a distraction. However, was it was it that distraction? I don't think so. Um you know the we're gonna have to do an episode on the Epstein files. Go ahead. Yes.
SPEAKER_00I I thought that I thought that Diddy was a distraction from the Epstein files. Diddy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Great.
SPEAKER_00The sacrificial lamb, wasn't he?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And and you know, um, he's in jail, right? Diddy's in jail right now.
SPEAKER_00Um but uh he's with Sam Bankman freed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Tell me about it. But uh, you know, I don't know. I don't know what to say to that one. I I don't think so. I don't think that's the distraction. Are there other distractions right now? Sure. Absolutely. I mean, you look at the whole uh Iran war thing, that's a pretty big distraction. Do I think this was the distraction? Not not really, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I would go as far as to say this. I don't think that this was a distraction from the Epstein files, but for all we know, it was a distraction from something else that nobody caught. Maybe, maybe maybe, maybe the distraction worked perfectly and it just blew right over our heads, right?
SPEAKER_02This could be true, you never know. Yeah, you never know.
SPEAKER_00Uh, and finally, number 10 suspicious plane, uh, hand signals, background figures, and camera, cameras dismantled. A private jet that went dark, people in the crowd making signals, gestures, drones, or past uh sorry, post-event camera removal as evidence of a larger operation. Now we did touch on this, and if you've anyone who's out there who has seen the videos, there are two to three gentlemen, security personnel, I believe, around Kirk, who do give, and what was broken down? I've seen videos of people breaking down these signals, our military signals, uh, to like go attack now, whatever, however, you want to word it, right? Um, and you you kind of touched on this already earlier. What are your thoughts? Do you think his security, similar to how we landed on RFK and JFK, do you think his own security kind of gave the green light? Again, we also talked about how they were not surprised when Kirk went down.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I I I think similar to kind of what we discovered with uh Erica Kirk, their actions are not normal. And clearly they're doing some sort of signaling. The guy with the shirt sleeve, the guy with the hat, that there is some what appears to be signaling going on here. Um, so that wasn't normal. You know, again, if there was a genuine shooter, multiple shooters, these guys would would abduct, they'd be scanning the crowd, they would have their guns drawn. None of that stuff happened whatsoever. None of it.
SPEAKER_00Um, there was no surprise. There was your immediate reflex reaction, there was none of that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I want to say in one of these videos also that I think one of the guys actually pulled whatever device or whatever was down there off of Charlie Kirk and immediately ran. That was weird too. That was really weird, right?
SPEAKER_00Maybe, maybe pieces of an exploding microphone.
SPEAKER_02Maybe. Um, and and and you know, again, you get rid of the crime scene like a day later, it's completely gone. You have an autopsy, supposed autopsy report no one's allowed to look at. Again, we don't believe in conspiracies. Um coincidences. Coincidences, sorry, we do believe in conspiracies. That's wait a minute, yes, we do. Got that wrong. Um, anyway, going back to the plane, the plane is weird too, right? Like, you know, if if you were a a pilot, commercial pilot, if you had a private jet, commercial airline, or whatever, you tell me why you would turn the transponder off.
SPEAKER_00I wouldn't.
SPEAKER_02You wouldn't. Why would you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It's interesting. Maybe there was a signal. A signal for the guys down below to give their signal.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, you know, even even like Charlie Kirk's security detail, where are those guys today? Where are any of them?
SPEAKER_00We haven't heard from any of them.
SPEAKER_02Haven't heard a peep, not a word, nothing.
SPEAKER_00You know, don't know where they're working, don't know what they're doing, don't know what their bank accounts look like.
SPEAKER_02They may not even be in the US for all we know. They might be long gone, you know.
SPEAKER_00Maybe they're in Israel. See what I did there. I don't know if you'd want to go to Israel right now, but so so for me, the conclusion I'm kind of coming down on is the bullet they claim hit him doesn't make sense because it would have blown his head off. So that for me, uh paired with the exploding microphone, says to me that he wasn't shot, that it was a microphone uh that exploded. That's why his shirt responded first, blew up into his neck. Um, because again, the impact of the bullet didn't make any sense. Uh, I believe that his security gave the signal to detonate the uh the exploding microphone. I think they knew about it. They did not respond in a way that is uh normal to a uh a surprise, right? So um he is dead. His wife did not have anything to do with it, and neither did turning point. So that's kind of where I land on it, and I'm kind of leaning towards Israel, being the I mean it's it fits their history as well with the exploding uh pagers.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah you know the the only the only thing with all of it that that I come back to is I don't know why you would do it publicly unless you were making an example out of him.
SPEAKER_00Well, as we talked about, it did shut everybody else up.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it did, and you haven't heard well, there's been there's been a couple that have kind of come out against APAC and against you know continuing to fund Israel. There's been a few, but not many, right?
SPEAKER_00Not as aggressively either.
SPEAKER_02No, no, definitely not. I mean, again, unless unless you got a death wish, it's that's not recommended, you know, not recommended. So uh, you know, I I think if you simply wanted to kill him, I mean he would have put on the microphone prior to coming on stage, and you could have just as easily killed him backstage. But the fact that they did it in front of everybody, I think that sends a message.
SPEAKER_00Well, it also I mean it also. Also plays into the patsy thing too, right? You have to do it in front of everybody to get the patsy in line.
SPEAKER_02Great point. Excellent point, right? Otherwise, the patsy theory doesn't hold up. And then and then and then we're really looking at, well, who gave him an exploding microphone? And it goes right to that. So great point that the patsy is the distraction, you know, the unfavorable patsy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. The one who nobody knows, nobody or nobody cares what's going to happen to, right?
SPEAKER_02So yeah, yeah. And in the time since that patsy, what what do we know? Have we heard anything anywhere? You know, I don't know. It's it's weird.
SPEAKER_00Where is the promise now?
SPEAKER_02Find out where is he? What's he doing? Is he just being held some why isn't he talking to anyone?
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SPEAKER_00Well, we'll see what we'll see where this uh uh lands in terms of that question. Uh he remains in custody in at a Utah County jail. Uh he has been held there since, uh, turning himself in on September 11th and 12th, 2025. He appeared in person uh or via video from jail during a preliminary hearing. Uh so he he didn't even show up to court in person, he did it via satellite, um, which ran through which was in July of this year. Uh that hearing adjourned until September of this year for final arguments on whether the case should proceed to trial. He faces aggravated murder and related charges for which prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. There is no reports uh of his release or transfers. So they're keeping him in the deepest, darkest hole possible right now, talking to nobody. He didn't even he they didn't even transport him to court. He had to show up to court via video call. Yeah, that's how far out of the reach of the press and everybody else they're keeping him. Because you know, if they haul him off to the courthouse, who's gonna be standing on the stairs asking questions, giving him an opportunity to say whatever it is he has to say in front of the cameras? They're not gonna let that happen.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And if you think about it, what is he now? Well, now he's a loose end, he's a liability. So I would not be shocked personally if they do let him out of that hole at some point in time and someone else kills him.
SPEAKER_00He stabbed himself in the back 20 times and threw himself off a bridge. What are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_02Right, he threw himself down the stairs, yeah. Yeah, threw himself out the window, gotta be careful, you know. Um, or what's what's the Russian one? The like exploding cigarette that you know burned down the whole like uh building, you know. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So not a surprise there. Uh, so it all kind of ties together to, yeah, the exploding microphone, the Patsy was not even hit with a bullet, uh, let alone anything else, the autopsy being refused to be released, uh, them refusing to put him in front of a camera, or even the opportunity to say anything in front of the press whatsoever. None of this is a surprise.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And and you know, another thing too is like typically if you have like a murder, you know, like people from the victim's family tend to be outspoken, right? Like, like giving you an example of this, they had the murder of those uh four college students in Idaho, right? And one of the girls, her dad, has been very vocal the entire time. I mean, he kind of hates everybody in the process, he hates the process itself, he's over it. Uh, he's been all over the news, you know what I mean? And and in Charlie Kirk's case, there's no one. Absolutely no one.
SPEAKER_00It's funny how that works.
SPEAKER_02There's just there's there's too much in this thing that doesn't add up across the board, you know.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it adds up. I think we've pretty much solved this one. We've solved JFK, we solved RFK Senior. Yeah, we've now solved Charlie Kirk. I mean, you know, this is why you subscribe and follow us and download the podcast and give us a five-star review.
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SPEAKER_00All right, guys, so that is our time for today. We I'm excited about the next one. We will be unpacking the season finale of the House of the Dragon, uh, season three, right? And like I texted you, they're actually now making a live-action movie that we're gonna unpack as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, I I am looking forward to that one. Massive fan of the Game of Thrones world, and uh, I gotta say, House of the Dragon, the show started slow at the very beginning, but it has really picked up speed, and I think the finale was probably their best episode yet.
SPEAKER_00Yep, I'm excited about it. I have not watched it yet, like I told you, that's why we're not talking about it today. I am gonna watch it tonight.
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SPEAKER_00So we'll be talking about that on Friday. Until next time, guys, God bless. And shift out.