010:Football Fix: Bart Thomas-The Buck Doesn't Stop Here

Join Bart  and I as we reminisce the good ol' days of  Southwest Conference Football and  rekindle the Texas Tech- A&M rivalry. We talk about everything from his family bloodlines including  NFL Hall of Fame brother Zach, to his 40 and over record holding Masters Pentathlon. We connect through the lens of small town football in the state of Texas and discuss just how important pride is to the game and how it can change peoples lives.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

The sun is down. The lots are bright. Alright, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Football Fix. Coach is kicking it to the max or former legendary players. Today's guest, we go way back, actually before our football days together, our track and field days together is where we met. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the legendary Bart Thomas. Man, thanks for being here, Bart.

unknown 0:31

Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

This will probably drop in a couple of weeks just to catch everybody up. We're in the ATX. You're down for the state track meet. Yep. Yes, we have so much to talk about. I'm fired up about this, man.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

This is this been a while since we got to hang together.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

I know. And when I saw you walk up, it's like we saw each other yesterday. That's what I love about this podcast, Football Fix. It's the fix that you and I have had our whole life. Your family, I'm gonna go ahead and say this. Wouldn't you consider the Mannings the football family of America? Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm telling you, in Texas, the Thomas family.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Well, one of them went a little farther than other.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Oh man. You've been bringing it for a long time. And I have to ask you this question before I forget. How does it feel to have a brother, younger brother, in the Hall of Fame when you, I'm gonna go on record saying this, you were a better athlete.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Well, if I had a nickel for every time I was told that, I have a bunch of nickels. But Zach was just so focused. He was focused and he was focused on being the best middle linebacker that he could be. And I was I wasn't focused on one thing. I was just everywhere, man. Just having a good time. And I liked all sports, and I didn't have that type of you gotta have that mentality to go to that next level and compete at that level like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Well you were definitely you were one of the first D1 uh athletes that I was around in high school. They track meet, you're the state champion. Is that 1989? How how'd you go in Austin?

SPEAKER_02 2:07

In Austin 15-1, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

15-1. Was it a state record then?

SPEAKER_02 2:12

No, it's kind of disputed. There was a guy named Jeff Myers, you remember him? Yeah. And someone said that he'd gone 15-3, but they announced it as the state record. But I think it was 15-3, but I was running back and forth from the uh pole vault and the long jump. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

What'd you do in the long jump that day?

SPEAKER_02 2:27

I didn't jump as good because I was uh going off that plant lag. I came in with the longest jump, 23. 23-1 or something.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

I think I man, that's a lot going on. You'd think they'd get a better schedule.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yeah. It's better nowadays. Yeah, they had us going. I'd run from the north end of the field to the pole vault pit, Baldon, and run back. And they said you only have two minutes to do this and that. So it's if it's they follow the rules.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Okay. White deer bucks. Yep. Put them on you put them on the map.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Were they on the map before? Listen, what you don't know about white deer, you're gonna enjoy this. White deer is the has the most first team All-Americans of any any place in the nation per capita. We've got three first team All-Americans, Zach. Dang. Carl McAdams played at OU and Jim Weatherall played at OU also. They're both consensus first team All-Americans. Wow. A town of 1,200 people. That's awesome. That's pretty cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

So you went K through 12 in White Deer?

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Were your parents from that area?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Yeah, my dad graduated, played football there. They got beat in the state finals by Wills Point his senior year. Really? And then and then my granddad played there. My granddad, my great granddad, my granddad played there too in the 50s. He was best friends with Jim Weatherall, the guy that was all American. Then my great granddad dropped kick the first three points of White Deer football history in 1931, I believe. Wow. So they got beat by Panhandle like 50 to 3, but he dropped kicked the field goal, and they had to borrow the suits and everything from the Panthers. So that tells you how in that crazy story. So we have my family has ties to White Deer pretty deep.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

White Deer, 1989, let's go back. This is where my jealousy comes in. You win gold medal in the pole vault, and the best I ever did was fourth, and I should have won it my senior year. Yeah, yeah. And you finished everything where in football, we played for a state championship in 89. Thorndale beat us. But y'all, that was an 88 season, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Y'all play Platonia at Lowry Field.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

No, we played them at uh Sweetwater.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Sweetwater. Mustang ball. Mustang Bowl. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You were talking about the teams y'all played. Tell us the run y'all had in 88.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

We started out, I think we drew a bye the first week. And then we played Plains first. Oh Monty Pierce. And Weldon Nels. My boys at Pierce. I love Monty. But anyway, yeah, Monty was the quarterback. He was a he was uh younger than us, right? He was pretty young. He might have been on C.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

He was your age.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Oh, Monty was?

SPEAKER_00 4:49

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

I thought he was a bit. Maybe I thought he was a year behind me, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

But Monty was a good player.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

He looks older than both of us now.

unknown 4:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Yeah. He's up there in Shallow Water. Yeah. And then we went from there to played at uh Lowry Field, played against uh Garden City. That that's that's the game I was thinking of. Yeah, Scott Brothers, Cody and Jody Scott. Snuck that one out, and then we played against Doug Braden and those guys at ranking, ranking was good.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Tough.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

We played them and got them I think we played them at Level Land. And then we went to semifinals after that. We were picked to lose that game. We won 45-0 over Lindsay. Lindsay. Yeah, I remember that name. And then in the state game, we came in and we were picked to lose by a point or two. Flatoni was loaded. They'd beaten Bartlett that year, who was loaded. And uh I mean just before us. That was considered the state game. We were number three coming in. They were one. Okay. So if we played Flatonia ten times, it might beat us nine. Not that night. We got them that night.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Tell us how y'all won it in the end of the game. That's pretty dramatic, right? Coach Wendy Williams, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Wendy Williams, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Is he past?

SPEAKER_02 5:54

No, he's alive, but he's fighting a little uh hip replacement deal he's had right now. Saw him Fort Worth just at the hospital here just a few weeks ago. So he's getting over that.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Hey, shout out to Coach Williams. Coach Williams, I know he's one of your favorites. Great guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

But anyway, uh we come down at the very end and and uh we scored. I scored on a little sweep and then come out. We were down. I missed the first PAT. And so we're small school, I was a kicker pun. Yeah, yeah. Missed the first Dang PAT. Straight toe. Straight toe.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

So I was over there with my steel-toe shoe putting it on, and he called this deal called the honey play. I look up. I heard the crowd. I was trying to put my my little strap on my shoe. Heard the crowd going crazy. I look up, and Tommy Martinez had thrown the ball to TW Low and he scored on a little swing up by about by about a foot.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Really?

SPEAKER_02 6:42

We'd have lost the game, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

We went up winning by one point. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Got that ring.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Yeah, I got lucky.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Was that Wendy's first state championship? One and only. Then he went to Monahan's later, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

He did he's he's done good. He went to Dow Hart, Monahan's, and then I think he retired. No, he went and coached a little in New Mexico, got his retirement. Yeah. Double dipping.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

What I'm doing in the private school down here. That's right. Smart. I'm still working. I don't know how smart that is, but it's it's not a job. It's smart.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

All right. This is where the stories get really good. Because Bart, back in college and high school, you always had personality, man. And even that on the field before the game, during the game, after the game, and I was just I was scared to break any rule. You know, I was not going to get out of line. It was one of my favorite experiences at AM playing against another opponent was when you were at tech. I remember the game, y'all come to Caulfield, and before the game, we hit it up, but you were one of the captains. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

You remember all this stuff. Yeah. And I remember you pointing at it. It wasn't my sophomore year. My sophomore year, that was the first time I saw you there. And you were playing some of your sophomore years, too. Uh-huh. And that was my first year to start, you know. And we came up there, and I just remember being excited just to talk to you after the thing you got. I know, like we knew somebody. I know. And we don't how much time we had together, probably an hour or two hours before that. But we always talked and knew each other. I know, man. But it felt like I knew, so I got the game. I was excited because I didn't know anyone else over there. Right. Rodney Thomas, about to take my head off. Other than that, it was just few. And so I I was excited to get to see you after the game, you know.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, man. This is what I remember. The captain's.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Me and Zach and Marcus Coleman.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Marcus Coleman, player?

SPEAKER_02 8:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

He played in the league for nine years. Nine years with the Jets.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Well, yeah, did well. Went with the Cowboys. Went to Houston and the Cowboys. So he did well, had a good run.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

That's where this is special to me, because you're White Deer Buck, Texas Tech Red Raider. Well, you're the second Red Raider I've had on the show, and I've only had Slocum, so Red Raiders are up on my show two to one. Then you go from there, you're still a small town, West Texas or Panhandle guy. Yeah. But you've got that connection with football royalty. That's got to be special, man.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Yeah. Well, it was you know, A and M that when you had Slocum last. That's why I like watching podcasts. I mean, just hearing more about him and listening to him tell the stories when a lot of these guys he's talking about dropping names, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

All the guys that you're friends with, that win, some of these guys and stuff, guys I've met later on that I've become friends with. It's pretty neat how small a world it is, especially that old Southwest Conference year.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

It is. So back to that game. What year would that have been?

SPEAKER_02 9:23

That was my senior year, so 94.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

94.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Your senior year too, wasn't it? Uh I laid out a year tour my ACL when I went to Air Force Academy. I had an extra year of eligibility. Just didn't enter college, so it didn't start until I was.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I took my visit to tech. You introduced me to Tracy Saul. Yeah. We were in the dorm messing around. You're like, we went out to cow pokes that night, I think.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Yeah. That's right. That's another thing I forgot. I'm glad you were bringing this up because I'm like, I just remember you saying this is Tracy.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

We call it the natural. That's before anybody knew outside.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

But I knew when didn't get a good enough job getting you.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Man, I couldn't play in front of you or Tracy. But I knew I think it was an AM tech game. And you you walked by and Spike saw you, and he was like, hey, Bart. And then me and my family walked by and then he turned the other way. I'm not trying to dog on Spike, but I knew right there. Yeah, Bart. Bart's a playing dude. So I let her all four years on special teams, played some dime back, nickelbacks.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

You were the team. Were you the special teams captain?

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Bill yes, sir. Yeah. Most years. Yeah, yeah. Those coaches let me be a big part of it. That's great. I tried to be Bill Bates slash T Steve Tasker. That's right. I didn't quite make it to that level, but tried.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah, he did good.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

They're lining up. It was about a midfield.

unknown 10:49

No. No?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Talking about the fake? Yeah. It was on the uh I think the 16-yard line. Really? What led up to that, you guys blocked the pump before. Oh okay. Remember that. Y'all blocked it. And so uh we come back out and y'all scored his 7-0. We come back out and I look over and Spike gives the old tip of the cap and I'm like, what in the hell is he thinking? You know, you're the personal protector, right? Yeah, yeah. The up back or whatever. The up back, yeah. And so I saw that, and it really put me in a panic. And we and I was like, we're on the 16 yard line, you know. And so I look up and I see you, and you're I I remember you, y'all had your line set, and you were going up and down the line, tackle to tackle, like trying to you know, fake a gap and come into the gap you were coming, right? I was a blubber. And y'all were coming again because y'all came the last time, and I figured you were bringing everybody. Yeah. It was a good call by spike, even though it was kind of a great call part of the field, was not. And so I just remember seeing you, and I was trying to throw you off a little bit, and I started talking to you. I was like, what you doing, Max Field? I was just yelling at you, and this is with 85,000 people looking at us, you know, and I was yelling at you, and you were, and you wouldn't, you're right, you wouldn't say a word, dude. I was scared tough at me, and I was like, You're a senior, you're you're 22 years old.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

But anyway.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

You said this was for you, Max Field. Yeah. And then as soon as I got on my stand, we threw it. Former quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Yeah. Threw it to old Jody Brown. He goes on a dime. And he caught it and he went down the sideline about it. It was the longest play on y'all's field for like seven or eight years, supposedly. So so, but he got knocked down the two by it was either Aaron Glenn, I think it was Aaron Glenn, but it might have been Brett Mickens, one of the two, ran him down on the two-yard line.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Jody Brown shout out Cross Plains. Cross Planes.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

I know he's a good buddy. Three-time state champion hurdler up there.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yeah, man. He could step over those three hundreds.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

He could fly. He was fast. So could you he was fast?

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Yeah. You know, I could run a 50. That's the other thing I was jealous of. You would bust on my relay split, you'd run 49, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Yeah. And I was a 50 point, usually 51. Yeah, yeah. Just a step slower. But anyway. Y'all, y'all's my relay went to state too?

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Sprint relay. Sprint. Yeah, Sprint. We got fourth. I thought I had third and I leaned, and then this guy came flying from uh the guy y'all talked on your podcast, the guy from uh Rotan. Oh! What's his name?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Uh Hew Hewlett. Or Hewitt.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

He or Hewitt. What's his name? Joe Hewitt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Joe Hewitt.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Yeah, and I remember leaning and all of a sudden this guy came flying past me.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

I was like, who is this dude? So yeah, so I lost from Metal Force.

unknown 13:23

I should have.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

But I beat Wesley Scott. So he goes. We were right together. We edged him at the state meeting, edged him at the state, state games.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

So then later on that game, is that the game where y'all had our quarterback sacked and let him go?

SPEAKER_02 13:37

That was my sophomore year. Oh y'all beat us by two that game that year.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

We lucked out every time we played.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

And that well, y'all, y'all just were always the team to beat. Y'all didn't lose for I remember you were talking to Slocum about y'all didn't lose for four years.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

No.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

Four or five years. And my sophomore year, we had Dusty Beavers miss the sack. It's fourth down, game over. Game over. And and and Granger was quarterback. The Granger, Granger, the Granger came out and then and he threw a ball. I remember I think I had to tackle the guy, hit the tight end over the middle and come and jump. And so then y'all end up sc coming down and kicking the field goal and beating us, beat us by two. And then senior year, you remember that you beat us by two again. I know. And so we were up 17-7.5. Marcus picked one, went for a touchdown. We had that fake play on. Y'all went up 7-0 and we were 17-7.5. We had a good defense back then. But man, we our offense. Now my sophomore year we had great offense. My senior year, we had great defense.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Oh, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

I mean, heck, we just couldn't put two together like an M could. You always had awesome defense. But a solid offense.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

We could run the ball.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Yeah, you always could run. You had Rodney Thomas and another guy that could scoot.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Greg Hill.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Greg Hill.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

After the game, you said, I can't shake your hand because you tackled Rodney and dislocated.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

And then after the game, you were disappointed y'all lost, but we still had a great conversation, and I'll never forget. You said, Hey, did you see my little brother? He was running down on kickoffs.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

And I said, Man, I thought that was him, but I wasn't sure. That was my sophomore year.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

I get my years mixed up. Yeah. Because he was just a year younger than you. Yeah. Well, he was two, two.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

But he was one year because I'd missed that year.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Okay. And you said, Man, what watch out for him? Because he's he's pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Well, he should have been the start of that year.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

But you knew then.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Yeah. So it's crazy. Yeah, he just had he just had hips, man. Sex. You know, and Spike always played it up that, you know, he was uh had pedestrian speed and stuff, and and Jimmy Johnson's all different. Went to Combine, you know, went, I think he was 468, maybe. So they were like, gosh, he's supposed to be they thought he was a 485, you know. Really? And so all of a sudden Jimmy jumped on that, you know. Jimmy's history, smart, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

I've met a few celebrities. How does it mean people like the world like Jimmy Johnson?

SPEAKER_02 15:52

It's different. You get used to everyone's humans are humans, man. Right. You know what it is. And people hadn't changed you. No, people are people are just people, but it's neat. I mean, Jimmy owes us a fishing trip. Zach's been fishing a few times, but when we saw him at Zach's place on the Hall of Fame day, he said, Barcher, come with us. I said, Okay, I'm in, man. We'll come whenever you're around. Let's go. Let's go fish. He has a place down at Key West. You know, but no, it's that was the neat part of it. Meeting all these guys and seeing the human part of them. They're no different than everybody else. You have some people that when they're in it, they think they're bigger, but most of them when they're out of it, they kind of come back down to earth and and pretty normal guys.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Did you attend most of the NFL games?

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Yeah, I went to yeah, I went quite a few. I'd say that's gotta be cool. Three well, maybe three quarters, maybe.

unknown 16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

What was your favorite stadium that you went to? Do you have one?

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Well, I watched them get beat by the what was that old Kurt Warner's bunch when they were at St. Louis and that dome there, and I remember it was a pretty cool place. There's quite a few places. Most of the time we just went to Dolphins Stadium.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Have you been to Green Bay Stadium?

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Didn't go to Green Bay. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

I want to go to Lambeau.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

I got a buddy, oh you know Ben Kirkpatrick, he's a diehard. He is. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

He's a chief.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

You know Kirkpatrick does. Oh yeah. He sold me some Cardinals athletics supplies back there. Ben's a good dude, man. Ben was a good little football player. He was, you know, he was built like Zach, about the same size. You know, he wasn't tall, wasn't I mean there he was just a good player. Zach, Zach just has always had that little bit of something that you know other guys didn't have, quite the hips and stuff. But Ben could play. Ben was a I think Ben started three years. He was a good player. Little small school post.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Yeah, he was athletic.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Ball from Idaloo. A lot of guys, Jody Brown, cross planes. I know. Talking about small school guys, you had AM, and then you got Rodney Thomas, some of the guys growth to me.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

See, I had it worse than you against Rodney Thomas because you faced him once a year. I had to tackle him all spring.

unknown 17:44

Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

It was a beatdown.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

He tore me up so many times, man. Me too. I got him once once or twice on a sideline deal where he was, you know, kind of through getting through someone else and didn't have his feet set, but most of the time he was putting it on. And if someone missed out on him on a draw or something, I was in trouble. Yeah. That guy was a monster.

unknown 18:04

Yeah. Monster.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

So you have two boys and two girls. Yep. And your boys were players.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Yep, they were good little players. Yeah. Ty went and played at Arizona State and uh safety there. And Trey Trey was a really good uh football player, just wasn't as big as Ty and five about five nine, but he was a good track kid, ran 37-5, 300 hurdles. Wow. He was a 40. I mean, I think he split 47s on his on his mile reading.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Really? Really moved. And he graduated high school at Emerald High. Okay. He was a Sandy.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

He was there just right after Mel left.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

I got you. Max, my nephew Max that works with us, played against your son. Yeah. They played against each other. Yeah, it's a small world, man. Well, I I think that's one of the last times I kicked it with you, is at a Buffalo Bowl, we were at a playoff game. It was a friendship when friendship played Hereford. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I remember that. You were there, yeah, yeah, that's right. And had oh uh had those two good quarterbacks. Oh, uh what's his name?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Hodges.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Hodges, yeah. Yeah, that was right. That was all that was a great game, wasn't it? Instant classic. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do y'all still have the Zach 54 clubs? No, we sold out in 2018, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we sold out. We had orthopedic orthopedic rehab was our main thing, and then we had the gyms too, but sold out of that in 18, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

What do you do with your time now besides play golf?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Well you travel around sold out, you know, in 18 and I 1030 wanted some of my stuff into some multifamily stuff in Abilene and and Weatherford and Stephenville, and then I sold all out of that about five years ago, and that's that was it. So okay. So you're officially kind of retired, kind of always trying to find stuff to oh yeah, I know it.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I know you do. I got my hands in too many things, too many irons in the firebart. But it keeps me keeps us young, right? That's right. I'm gonna take you up on that that golf trip. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

You need to come play that course. I heard you talk talking oh, it's Slocum. You said you played down in Houston, some nice course.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah, one of my teammates that played receiver, Justin Hawley, we had the longest touchdown pass in the state game. I can't remember the yardage, but yeah, he lives down there on the champions course. His next door neighbor is the general manager. Oh, cool. It's the one of the best I've played.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

No, I bet that's nice. No, I don't play. Listen, I you play more golf than I play, I guarantee you. I'm still not playing. I just I just moved to this place where there is a course. I don't play. I play when the boys come or some friends. My Tommy Martinez and T.W. Low come, my teammates played with me about two weeks ago. So we I don't play about six, seven, eight times a year.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Yeah. I I wish I played more. I'm going to eventually. Yeah, for sure. So let's talk about the Gordon kids.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Let's talk about them a little bit. Because you started working with them years ago. When they were eighth and ninth grade. I mean, I I just kind of tweaked a little bit. You know, striker, I've helped him with a little bit of his vault stuff. I didn't help him with anything else. His dad's a great coach, the head coach. Fox Reed, he's a great coach, great track coach, great hurdle. He's a great coach, yeah. So he's just so well-rounded. You know all of the stuff he does, his hurdling, his high jumping, pole vault. He had Povalt at 14-6 last week, so he's going to try to go for 15. We'll find out. I don't know what he's done today. Then tonight he'll run the hurdles. And then we've got another kid, Riley Reed, no relation. His dad's the assistant coach there, Shad Reed. And he's 100 meter 10, 4'6 or 7 last year. So you know, in sixth man, this is freaking everyone out. They went they went 319 in the mile relay last year. In sixth man, four four juniors. So that's that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. They broke the record by like seven seconds. Yeah. So they broke it when they were freshmen.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

So they've just improved on it every year.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

That'll be worth going tonight.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Yeah, I just can't wait to see them do what they can do.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Coach McAdams will be there. There's a beared girl running, I think. Oh, cool. Did you happen to see the three A, the replay of the 3A mile ray?

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Well, I didn't not the mile ray, but I saw the dude run the hundred. Flat boy from Winsboro. Unbelievable, dude.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

But the mile relay, Bart, the top four teams broke the old record. And I I'm not exact on the times, but uh Edna won it with 313. And then there was three of that's old two, eh? I know. That's unbelievable. I know. And and then the next three teams were 314, 314, 315, and it was like uh Glo Holiday was second. Oh Atwood up there, he's a red raider, the 80. And then uh let's see, Goliad, and Wall gets fourth with a 314-9. What?

unknown 22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Training them got third and 5ay with 317 flat. Sophomore and senior year.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

That puts it into perspective how to do that.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Yeah, Panhandle had the state record for like 25 years.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

And they ran a 317. They'd have got smoked in that race.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Those white boys could run for Panhandle.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Yeah, they could. They could.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Did y'all play Panhandle every year?

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Yeah, we played Panhandle every year. We even played them when we dropped to 1 a.m. Yeah, we always played Panhandle. Tommy Qatar, I remember Tommy Qatar. Oh yeah. He was at Shallow Water. Yeah, yeah. Tom was a good quarterback, man. He's a dang good quarterback.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

And he's a good football official when I was at Shallow Water. He called some of the things. He's a good dude. Most of your family's in Florida?

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Yeah. And my sister, no, her son is Mason's starting time. I wanted to talk about Mason. He's a starting time, but her other son's safety for the Hurricanes, he played in the national championship this year. Why did I not know that? Yes, he's the oldest. He's a year older than that. Really? So Mason was never red shirted, played three years at LSU, and then got drafted. And then Isaiah started out and played, he's played great. He had the winning pick against Arizona State. He played at Arizona. And then a couple years ago had the winning pick in that big game and real exciting at the end. And then he transferred with his went with his dad there at Miami. Okay. So he's hurricane one more year.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

He's a defensive line coach.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Yeah, defensive ends, yeah. Ends.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Yeah. Man, what a year they had.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

And then Zoe, my niece, her other daughter, she's she plays sand volleyball for Arizona State. So we Oh really? Yeah. So we we just watched her play at TCU a few weeks ago. She's uh she may be the best athlete all of them.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Tell me, man, y'all's bloodlines just keep on.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Was your sister a really good athlete in high school? Yeah, she was good. Yeah. She played a Pampa. She was good. She was she was hard-nosed, put it that way. She's a good little athlete.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

My sister was a year, two years younger, but only one grade below. She played college basketball. She played at South Plains College and then went to Eastern. Oh, cool. And had a great career.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

She could I didn't know yet. I didn't even know you had a sister yet.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

She was a good player. Cool. Sudan girls basketball. Oh yeah, Krista.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

I'm gonna get Krista on this show.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

Yeah, Krista's great. She got she got Lisa and I tickets. We went and watched him play TCU just a couple years ago. We should have, now that we're here, it's harder to go back to Lubbock and watch her. But she put us on the front row right behind the bench, man. Watched him play. Maybe beat TCU and her daughter was playing with a good time, got to hang out with her a little after the game. Oh man. Krista's the best, man.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

She's the best.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

She's had a heck of a run, man.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Oh man. What a year. I was so happy for her.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Yeah. She's had a great. This was the year she's been waiting on. She's just gonna make it better. That girl knows her stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Right. Joey McGuire and I were on the board of directors together. Oh, really? So he he has always been. I've known Joey probably 10, 15 years. He's always been the way he is now. Yeah. And it's so refreshing for high school coaches to see that. Yeah, he's a nice dude. Oh, he remembers where he came from and takes care of peons like us. Like we try.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

But uh do you go back for Yeah, I try to go back at least a couple games a year, and they have their letterman's deal. I didn't make it this year, but I try to go back for that. Joey does a good job, including everybody, making everyone feel like they're part of the deal. He's a good coach, man. A lot of energy. A lot of energy. That's what that's they're gonna be good for a while with him, I think. Well, they're gonna be good with old Cody Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Did you get a tryout with the team when you graduated? Uh NFL team? Did you know camp?

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Well, I was the only one got invited to the combine that year, but I was training, I had this big deal I told you my I'm all over the place. I was trying to make the Olympics in the catalog. Oh, that's right. So I was doing that, and I didn't even skip that on my invite to the combine, and I just had a couple of didn't I never had aging or anything. I didn't do what I needed to do. And I had a kid when I was my sophomore year, and so I didn't play my junior year. Right. I don't know if you remember that. So that kind of put me behind a little, came back senior year and had a good good year.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

But that's what I meant to mention when we were talking about a track. You were if you watched Bart walk across the infield at a track media, you'd say, that's a the catholic right there. You were made for that.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Well, I enjoyed it. I did it when I was 40. I went out and I don't know if you knew about this, but I did some master stuff. Oh United States track and field record for the M40 over 40 age panthlon, yeah.

unknown 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

That's a that's incredible. Oh, yeah, I did that. Still had to keep it. Still got it. Don't be don't be humble in it. Well, I'm just I didn't know if you knew that. I'm just talking to you. No, no, man, that's awesome. So I still had some fast twitch that was hanging on, and I jumped 23 foot then, so pretty much the same as hot. 23 foot when I was 40. Whoa!

SPEAKER_00 27:15

And so I got 23 inches, I think.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

So I still had a little bit of fast twitch left, but it's gone now, though. I mean, it's crazy. Even 45 years old, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

I was just big difference.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

And I just kind of focused. That's the first time I really focused on anything. And so I for a couple years there, I just trained and did that, and we traveled all over and broke that record out at UNC.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

It was at North Carolina?

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Ooh, was it humid out there?

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. I threw in the tech invitational the javelin. I got second against the Big 12 kids. I competed unattached and I qualified. When you were 40? I was 40 and 30 of us, and I got second. I got beat on the last throw by a dude from AM, Texas AM.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Dang eggers. Yeah, dang aggregation. Man, that's awesome. So is the record still standing? Still standing, yeah. What was the point total?

SPEAKER_02 27:59

You meant 3570, I think.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

3570?

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Yeah, it's pentathlon, so it's not the it's half the deck, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Okay. Let's give our viewers a pentathlon.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

What events I long jumped that year is the first that's the first event. That's where I did I didn't do it in that day, but my PR that year was 23. And then I I thought the javelin after that. I threw over 200 foot there. Which is a D1 throw, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, that that throw out there would have got me. I'd probably won the conference in college if I'd have been throwing javelin. I just Spike wouldn't let Spike Corky Oglesby, you remember Corky? Yeah, Corky. Corky came every every spring to Spike and said, I want Bart to come at least throw jab or vault. Right. And Spike said, I'm paying for his school, I'm not letting him put his butt over his head. That's what he told him every year. I mean, that's a true story. Yeah, but Corky'd get mad and upset. And so he made me go talk to Spike once, and Spike said, 180 and get out of here. You're not you're not gonna pole vault, I'm not letting you vault. And I said, Well, how about I don't want you to mess your shoulder up for throwing jabs? So you know that didn't do anything for the track team.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Well, nowadays they probably would. They look at that stuff different now.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah, maybe so, yeah. Yeah. Well, Spike was just Spike was funny, man. He's just a funny dude.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Did you really uh feel like you got pretty close to him when you played there?

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Yeah, everyone everyone feels close. He's just a good guy, man.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Zach's probably one of his all-time favorite guys.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Zach feels like he owes him a lot. You know, Zach had two offers out of high school, Oklahoma State and Tech.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

And that was it. That was it. You know, I know you have to talk about his story. Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

But I know more about him than you. Well, I'm here talking to you. This is just side notes. But we were in the defensive back room. It was Coach Walters. No, it was Coach Slade, my last year, my senior year. Okay. And he said, I want y'all to watch this guy play because he was always on our guys. We we had first round pick guys. Oh, yeah, for sure. He was always on our guys about just playing, having that little extra it. Yeah, yeah. And he said, I'm gonna put this tape on and I want y'all to watch this guy fly around. Just watch him. Yeah. He puts a it's an end zone of uh inside hull of a game. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember who y'all were playing, but it's Zach.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

And he just kept rewinding and playing, and I was like, hey, I know him. That's right. I know his brother even better.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

That's right, yeah. Yeah, he had a great instinct.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

But he lived and breathed the game. I mean, he's that's not a lie. I mean, he tells you now the Dolphins have wanted him to be with them in some capacity. Yeah, I'm sure. They've even I think they've even kind of approached him about GM stuff. I mean, just stuff like that. And he's he just doesn't he he put so much in and for so many years and he doesn't want to be a part of that. He wants to be a part of his family and kids, and he don't want to he don't want to be around that. Now he goes and talks to the rookies every year, that's what he does for them. Oh, that's good. But other than that, he's pretty much out of it other than taking care of the rookies, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Well, like you said, i if he's gonna do it, he's gonna be a hundred percent in and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

He goes and takes his kids every year. That you know, he's got his name in the stadium. You gotta you gotta take your kid. Does he have younger kids? Yeah, he's got uh sophomore and uh eighth grader, and I think the youngest is a fifth grader.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Do they have any of his jeans?

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Yeah, they're good. They're they're soccer soccer players. Oh, are they? Yeah, soccer, soccer kids. He married a Columbian girl. So yeah. So man, they're they're big time soccer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Yeah, it's an Austin, too. Soccer. If they want to play, they'll be the best soccer players.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Okay. How many times have you had the chicken fried steak at Mary's?

SPEAKER_02 31:33

At least six or seven. That's so good.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

It's it's one of the all-time best, isn't it? I love it, man. So you didn't live far from there once upon a time, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:40

No, we were 10 minutes from there.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Yeah. I love that little area right there. Yeah. Anytime I go by there, if I'm with, especially with Coach McAdams or even my wife Dania, yeah. We'll stop the chicken fry. Oh, man.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

You can't get the large, you gotta get the split a medium. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

That just made me think of that you living in that area. Yeah. Anyway. What other amazing feats have you done? Oh, are you kidding me, dude?

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Well, you know, from being from a small town like the history of White Deer, what I was telling you about the Americans. I mean, that's a that's crazy. I mean, that's crazy for anyone to hear that you got. I mean, there's not in there's only, I think, seven in the whole Texas panhandle. First team consensus all Americans and three from White Deer. I knew that growing up as a kid. I knew weatherall because of my granddad. And uh you just want to, you're the same way with Sudan. You want to make the people proud. So my senior and we got that, we were the first two brothers, the only two in the history of the Southwest Commerce, I guess it's 80 years. Yeah, got first team all commerce the same year. Really? That's kind of our claim to fame for our little white deer people. That was a big deal to us because of because of our small town. Yeah. So we just we just you lived to make everyone proud and that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

And we were able to do that through athletics, you of course, through multiple sports. You were an ultimate track and field guy. I was better on the court. I can play a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Yeah, dang right. How'd y'all do in basketball?

SPEAKER_00 33:06

We should have won state my senior year.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

See, we we weren't any good in basketball. Well, that's panhandled. You know who we got? You probably know this guy from Kelton. Chad Cadell. You know Chad Cadell? I remember that name. That's who knocked us out of the playoffs. Kelton beat us. But you know what? I'm glad they did because Kelton got it handed to him by Will Flemings from Petabuka. I was like, Yeah, we got some of that. Thank goodness we didn't have to play that. Did y'all play them? Yeah. How bad they beat them?

SPEAKER_00 33:30

That was my sophomore year. Oh, as bad as they wanted.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Man, they were unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

It was like 60 to 20.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

They had the Heard brothers. Will Flemings and then the big white boy. That's right. I can't think of his name. He was good. They were loaded. Yeah, they were loaded.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Will Flemings went up for Ali Oob Dunk, and my buddy Jared kind of undercut him.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

He got a foul, but they didn't get a dunk. Bellor, he was a little cat. Yeah, yeah, I heard. I remember his name. So you talk about guys like that when Zach Bellor, he played linebacker just like those guys. He had the instincts. He would knock you flat on your back. Yeah. He was so good. He was a good fullback and a split back veer. Yeah. And linebacker, you better have your head on a swivel.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

If you catch a flat route, you better get it. I remember his name. I remember that was the other guy with you that I kind of remembered.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

He played the game just like that.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

But you know, you have to have the God-given. If I could have ran 4-4, Coach David would have put me out. He liked to play man. Yeah. I wanted to play free.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Y'all scheme would have fit me a lot better.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Because you just kind of rolled back there, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

You and Tracy and what did you what did you learn watching Tracy play? What did you pick up?

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Well, Tracy and I, you know, when Tracy was a senior, I was a sophomore. So and we started together. So I was a strong safety, he was the free. And um, and so I knew, I mean, I was I was a whole different ball game. I wasn't getting a bunch of picks and everything as a strong safety. Right. But Saul, if you ever saw Tracy uh one-on-one coverage with anybody.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Really?

SPEAKER_02 35:02

We remember you remember Black Shear and some of the good receivers we had? I mean, they couldn't get off the Saul. Lloyd Hill couldn't cover it. Those guys couldn't get off Saul. Really? No one could cover. Our our corners couldn't cover as good as Saul in one-on-one, man. Really? He was the best coverage guy I've ever seen. Wow. That's not exaggerating. I mean, he just was a player. Now, if he'd had size and all that, he'd have played the next level. Because he was, I mean, obviously. 26 picks or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

That's a record that'll never be broken because Salba's conference.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Yeah, it's over.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

It's over. That's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

He had a lot of picks.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

He was a great player, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

That ain't a good dude, man. Really good dude. One of the best dudes.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

You've dealt with him a lot, probably, through his business, his dad's adoption.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

But I haven't ran into him in a little while. Maybe this summer at coaching school.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

I got last time I saw him, our D coordinator, Carlos Maynard. Do you remember him?

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Oh yeah. He passed away.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Me and Saul got to see each other at the funeral.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

I just saw Carlos' son, Tommy Maynard, at the State Games. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Is he at North Texas or?

SPEAKER_00 36:00

He just went. Okay. He was selling for Ronnie Flyers' old company. Okay. He gotten out. I got nice back in. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Tommy's a good dude, man. He was a little kid out there when we were first got the tech. Yeah. Coach Maynard was first time there. And he's a little kid, little ball boy out there. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

We on four. So do you just do a normal work? Because you look so trimming. Oh, yeah. Do you just do one normal workout?

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Work out three, three, four times a week, about 30 minutes, not long. Gotcha. Just try to keep keep alive, man. Yeah, I know. You know.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Get that ticker pumping. That's right. I try to get some cardio and we have a crunch fitness. Yeah, yeah. Down the road from our house.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

We have one in our development. That's enough for what we want to do.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

So what kind of music you listen to, Bart?

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Texas country? No. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, hard right. We grew up out in the country. Now you're a small town guy, but you probably lived in Sudan, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Uh-huh. We're two miles outside of town.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

Okay, so you're a kind of country guy. We live about 15 miles from White Deer. 15? Yeah. So everyone thought we were closer to the ranch. Yeah. Well, White Deer and Pampa were actually closer to Pampa, but we were on the county line, so we go to White Deer. Then Zach and Katina transferred to Pampa after I left.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Um, but anyway, my dad, my dad, we grew up on a ranch, he hated country music. And so we we hated country music. Now, when we got to college, I mean I like the 80s country. I like some of the old country now, but I like the 80s country and the 90s country. I mean, you had cowpokes and you had had midnight roading over there. I like that stuff there. But I'm still not a huge country fan. I still like my 80s, 70s and 80s. My wife loves the 70s. I love the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

I catch myself on Spotify or whatever. Just depends on the mood I'm in. Like I got Pearl Jam on there now.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Yeah, I love my old grunge stuff.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

I like the new country, Ella Langley, and all that. I get into that?

SPEAKER_02 37:55

You don't know any of it. I like old school rap. No, I like some of the 90s rap. Yeah. Or the 80s. But I like some 90s too. Beastie Boys. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 38:05

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

DJ Quick.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

We can't be talking about that.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

That would have been your name if you'd have been a rapper. DJ Quick.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Yeah. Whatever. DJ Dorky. Talking about small town guys.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

The guys from AM that I got to meet, Hunter Goodwin. Guys got to know him.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

He was a good businessman.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Oh, yeah. I got to see him when we went to watch Mason play there at AM. It was a crazy place though, dude. You were talking about a senior we went out for that coin toss. And the crowd, what was crazy was going out there, I was thinking about I didn't care. I don't know who was making the call. You don't even make a call when you go out there. Right. And so anyway, going out there, and I just remember looking at the stands and had one level going this way, one level going this way. People leaning this look like a centipede, dude. And I was like, this dust though, you're all be off, man. It makes you a little bit dizzy. You can't look at it, you know? Yeah. And I just remember seeing you over there on the dang sideline. I'm you what 49? 49. 49, yeah, see. You were 20, right? 23. 23. I was 20. Then I when I laid out my junior and came back, my senior, I came back 29. Came back as Jordan. I wanted to be the, you know. Let's go. You know, but anyway. But anyway, so I remember seeing you, and I point, I just pointed at you, and I kind of and I remember you kind of real quick, and that was it. And I was like, come on, man. I was uptime, man. It wasn't five minutes later, y'all blocked that punt, and then all of a sudden we came back with the fake on you.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Yeah, it was a beautiful fake.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

And it flipped the game. Yeah, well, it made it fight till the very end. Y'all beat us at the very end again. Zach and them got y'all the next year. You weren't there.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Yeah, thank goodness. Then seven. He picked six. Yeah, yeah. Corey, he ain't lived that down to this day.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

You talk to him some or I've seen him a couple of times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's a really good dude. So how often do you get out to Florida these days?

SPEAKER_02 39:53

I go out there not as much as I need to. A couple times a bit.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Because your folks are out there, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Well, they're only there. They're back here now. We're taking them to Colorado a couple weeks. But yeah, we go out there and Zach's due to come see us now, so it's kind of his turn. There you go. Katina has just stayed with us. She just stayed with us to watch Zoe play. You know, I told you about a month ago playing that Sam volleyball. So we had a good time. Are they in their season right now? She's done. Just finished? Yeah, they just got eliminated.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

So Mason, that's the tight end for the Jets? Yeah. Yeah. Is he enjoying Aaron Glenn and all that? Yeah, he likes to be.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

He's a good kid, man. He's a down-to-earth good kid now. He's a 260 and a 458-40. So he's a monster. But he's worked. He's he's Zach with the talent. Really? Zach always had talent. Zach was always stronger, and people gave him credit for he's quicker and faster. Hips. Hips like you couldn't believe. But Mason is obviously 6'7. I mean, and he's 260, and he runs a 4'5. How can that not work? How can that not work out? But he has no egos, Zippo.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

I mean, he's a good kid. A G on the show on a Zoom or something.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Get some tickets to a jet, maybe from an uh uncle that has a kid playing on the jets.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Get some tickets to a jet. Get one from O'Aaron, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Yeah, I know. Have you got to watch him play some though?

SPEAKER_02 41:17

Yeah, we went and watched him play last year against the Cowboys. And he was leading receiver in that game.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Really?

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Yeah, but they got beat. They're still building. Aaron, he'll build them. They did good in the offseason, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

So he's got some pretty good. The draft seemed good. The draft seemed good and good acquisition. So they just gotta get a quarterback, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:34

I know. That's the name of the game in the club. Who do they have on the roster right now? Remember?

SPEAKER_02 41:41

They got the guy that came back to the Jets that was played good. He's old though, Geno Smith.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Oh yeah, Geno. Yeah, so he can he's capable. See what happens. Is that stadium pretty what is that by what you expect? Not it's run down?

SPEAKER_02 41:56

A little bit for an NFL stadium. I don't I don't think that stadium is that great.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

We went to a conference in Philadelphia back in March. Yeah. Man.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Yeah. Just one more. Just old and these college stadiums kill it. Like AM Stadium, my God. Tech Stadium, you seen it now.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

I know.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

All this stuff they've got. Everyone gets everything after you leave. How much NIL could you have made at Tech? I'd have played off Zach big time on that one. Yeah, brothers, yeah. I love you, man. Those guys. Unbelievable what they're making. It's crazy. And you know another thing too. I mean, we both would have probably focused more if there had been money. I mean I know. Because I got married my junior year, just like you having a kid. And so and it takes your focus. Oh, big time, man. Takes your focus away. Yeah, I agree with you. I focused on different things because, you know, it just there was no other thing that you could do. I mean, it was just harder. But you know, the money, if you'd have seen that NIL money, I mean I I might have changed that. Yeah. Yeah. And then even the NFL back then, safeties, even drafted safeties were making three three hundred, three fifty. And back then that seemed like a lot, but it's not.

unknown 43:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 43:07

You weren't as focused on these guys now making two and three mil. Right. It's a big it's a big difference.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Big. I remember we would get a chicken dinner after a game and then they would give us I think it was ten bucks for yeah. And that was if you're on scholarship, you know, yeah. And I was just happy. I was the first in my family to go to college. And uh so I was just happy to have my school pay for it. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

That's right. It's a big deal. You felt fortunate to have all that.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

And then my two oldest daughters graduated there. And so I got to go to a lot of games with them. Yeah. And for them to see me interact with former players. They don't understand what we went through really. Not because it's their fa I wish they could to do what we did.

unknown 43:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

It was hard, but it was I mean, aren't you glad we did it? Oh man. I mean, it it changed everything in life, changed your trajectory. Yeah, that's right. It does. Change that in life. I mean, you just it's uh it was good. It was beneficial for us. Big time for Zach. Think about that. I mean, it's crazy. Changed your way of life and uh made you a stronger person in ways, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

A lot of ways. It made us stronger for the long run, you know. Yeah. We always make mistakes in the short run, but that's right. Through the long run, the true truth in you comes out. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

So yeah, you have a bad day, think about two days. That's a bad day. Springball. I didn't hate spring ball.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

We but I bet we both still have scars from that old carpet we played on.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

Yeah, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

It was terrible. Yeah, it was. It was just bad as tech. It was both days.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Bad, man.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

I appreciate your time so much, man. I know you have a busy day. Oh no. I appreciate your friendship. Always being kind to me and reaching out, pointing at me from the across the sidelines.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

We need to come play golf with me. That's our next day. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

I just appreciate you spending the time to do this, man.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

I just sit here and just BS with you. We're both good at that. I tried.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Hey, well, good luck to the Gordon. What's Gordon's best, Scott? Longhorns. Longhorns.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah, we all hate longhorns, though, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

I got a root for the Gordon Longhorns, but I don't like the UT Longhorns. I'll I'll tell I'll tell it. Oh, me too. Oh, Bo Robinson. Remember, that was another small school guy went to he was a quarterback too.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

Hey, I talked to him last week. I'm gonna get him on the street. You can get him on your because I'm gonna do like a state champions tour. Yeah. Because they won it this last year. Yeah, oh they did. Yeah. Joke him.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Yeah, yeah. Oh, he won it. Good. Yes. Good. I didn't realize he did. I met him, his son, uh, when I took my son to the visit. Yeah, his son was at tech. Really? Was on a visit. And so I got to kind of sit and talk with him, you know. I was like, it's the biggest quarterback probably ever to play, you know, small school ball. He was he was a monster. He had a good career that UT. Oh yeah. Good player.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

Yeah, he was and he's a good dude, man. He's he's one of us. And his dad had played for state championships. He passed away, and then Bo played for a few. He went back to back when he was in Bang's in 2002 and three. Oh, really? As the head coach.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

And so he finally finally got it.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Good. So that's his first title this year. That's it. Oh cool. Yeah, you have to tell him. Congrats for that.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

I I'll tell him.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

He was a good dude, man. I I I kind of remember his name because he was one of the bigger names when we were all playing back in high school.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

They didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

I think he was all state quarterback the year before me. And then he came back and then they didn't make as far as us. And that kind of takes that away. So I got the quarterback. But he was still I think he was still the defensive end or something.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Yeah, he played decent.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

He's a good player, man.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Were you Quatterberger player of the year, your senior year?

unknown 46:40

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

Me too, man. I've got the I got the trophy.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Yeah, awesome, dude.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

I want you to know this too, man. I've always looked up to you. The best Balton day I had was when we were at that regional qualifiers meeting in Canyon, right? Yeah, yeah. Was it at Randall?

SPEAKER_02 46:55

Randall, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

And you went 15 something that day.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Yeah, I think they had the standards off. Yeah, maybe 15, six. I think I don't know what I did that day.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

But I was uh six inches below you.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

Yeah, you were good. But you brought And I was a year above you too.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Well, but you brought out the best in me. I wish I could have hung out with you more because it might have been better.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

Well I might have got the state my senior year. I remember that made that when I I thought I was pretty tough. I'd won the long jump and fought, and I said, Oh, I'm all right. And uh I guess these 5'8 guys, you know. And yeah, regional qualifiers or state qualifiers. Yeah, that was regional. Was it? Okay. And I was like, Well, I'm pretty pretty decent. And then all of a sudden I get this 200 meters and I'm in the heat with Dallas Cowan. Remember him? And that dude from Odessa High? He went 20.5. That day? That day. That was I set my PR that day at 2192. And and I remember coming around the curve, and all I saw is his butt, and it just kept getting smaller and smaller. Dude, I'd never seen a guy that he was like a sophomore or something. Maybe a junior, but he he went he went 10-2 in Austin. Wow. In the hundred. I forgot that name. But I remember Cowan. Did he go to Tech? Odessa High. No, he went to SMU and kind of fizzled. But he was jacked, man. I mean, I don't know what was going on with that. Dallas Cowan. He was jacked. But his bro his older brother was one that he played safety at tech back in the mid 80s. Okay. Boyd Cowan. Okay, I remember those names, but Dallas was he didn't play football. He went around track at SMU and just didn't, I don't think he got any faster. But that was fast in high school. Him and Greg Hill raced each other. Yeah. Yeah. Greg was quick. Did you did you know I roomed with Greg? When I tore my ACL at Air Force, I uh um came back, and when I came back, tech and Arizona were the only two teams that offered me after that, after I torn. And so I went for a visit to Arizona, and guess who my roommate was? Greg Hill. Really? Yeah.

unknown 48:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Dallas Carter. Yeah, and we got to hang out a little bit. And then I got to know a bunch of his guys. You know, when he was at AM, a bunch of the Dallas Carter guys, when we finally got a good defense, they all were Dallas Carter guys. And that was that's what made us good defensively. Spike was smart, went out and got all we had four starters from Dallas Carter. From Carter? Sean Marcus and Banks. Yeah, Marcus went to Arlington or somewhere. Okay. But Sean Heard and uh you know who the other one was Anthony Armour. Remember Armor could play ball? We had some good good guys from and the quarterback that y'all had for a while. Robert Hall was Carter, right? Was Carter, yeah. Okay. That's why I didn't play quarterback when I went to Tech. So when I went to Air Force, I was quarterback. And I came to Tech on my visit, you know, I saw they had Jamie Gill and and they had uh and Robert Hall going, and Robert was my age, and so he was a year older, but I was like, I won't I don't want to sit back here and compete with that. You know, I thought I could play earlier just you know playing defense.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

So you were good, you were good. Yeah, you were solid, man. You were solid DB. Um slightly who was your defensive back coach at Tech most of the time? Carlos Maynard. Okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Here's my D coordinator and DB coach.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

And Nick Wender stories, you got some good ones?

SPEAKER_02 50:01

Okay. He's hilarious. You know, I was scared to death of him the whole time I was at tech, to be honest with you. Oh, I I would have been. He cussed me one time when I was a freshman out there, we were shorts and shoulder pads, and I hit one of his tight ends trying to make a name for myself. I was a freshman. And he came at me and he's calling me, he said, Get your helmet off, pretty boy, and just went off on me. And I remember I was like, What did I just sign up for, man? Coach Winter was crazy. And then and so when I was in college, I was like, Man, I kind of just wanted to stay away from Coach Winter. Then when we when I graduated and we when we started the gyms and the rehab and stuff, Coach Winder was went to TCU, so he's recruiting our area. So he'd come to the gym, work out at the gym all the time, and he'd come sit with me in my office for two hours. We got to be great friends and oh that's awesome. And it he was so soft then, you know, he'd laugh. I I told him the story. I was scared to death of you. And he'd get he's like, Are you scared of me now? You know, and I was like, No, no, you remember that voice. He was just the funniest dude, man. It's it's funny. Great coach. It took me five years to realize he wasn't the meanest dude on the planet. You know, he's the nicest guy.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Yeah, that's a great story.

unknown 51:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

Did you play in the combo, Christina?

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Yes. Oh, about that.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

That was USC win.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

But you know what? You know what? That's when we were talking about our system. That's where our system fell. Because we had a good that year, I think we finished number one in the Southwest Commerce defensively. And y'all were number two, and that was never the case. Y'all were always number one. But that year we were. Y'all were. And and we come in and we we thought we can hold these guys because Baylor only beat 'em. They beat Baylor at USC ten to seven. We beat Baylor like 38-nothing that year, beat them bad. And so there's a week after y'all beat us. And so comparatively, we thought we could shut USC down. Well, they had Rob Johnson at quarterback, they had tons of guys, they had Tony Baselli as their tackle. I mean, think about that. But but they come out and they come out with four rides and were running flies on them. We had a three deep secondary. We didn't have we didn't have two, you know, we didn't have halves. Right. And so what they all Rob Johnson was do, he'd go here and he'd look me off. Then have one-on-one or nobody. Two one one corner on two guys, or linebacker trying to guard a slot back. And so he it just they tore us up. And that's where you needed the two deep. It tore us up that game. Man, I never knew that about that game. Yeah, that's that's it. It was a bad thing who was the head coach it wasn't Pete Carroll, was it? Pete Carroll. Really? Yeah. Pete Carroll was a head coach. No, not Pete Carroll, it was John Robinson.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

John Robinson. John Robinson. That's one of Slocus' buddies.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Yeah, yeah, John Robinson, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Crazy. We played in three combos in a row and never won one. Really? Uh we got close, but Well, we got hammered in ours. That first year we played Notre Dame. We played Florida State, they beat us 10-2. Coriot got a safety on the quarterback. Yeah. The next year, Notre Dame was like USC. Yeah. They had Bettis. Meyer was quarterback, and they just beat us. They beat us. And then the second time we played Notre Dame, I think we should have beat them. Yeah. We didn't play. Uh Greg Hill fumbled the ball out of the back of the end zone. It was going to be a touchdown. And instead, it was a touchback, their ball. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

I remember y'all were good, man. Every year y'all were y'all were the standard in the Southwest Conference, man.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Yeah. It was great to see you have a great senior year like that.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Yeah, we had a good time.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Well, I appreciate your time, man. Yeah. Have a good time. Go Longhorns. Gordon Longhorns. Gordon Longhorns. That's the only Longhorns we root for. The sun is down, lots of bright in my face.