The Missing Peace

Is Your Religion Fear-Based or Faith-Based?

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In Episode 2 of The Missing Peace, Brooke Benevento and Danielle Griffiths continue their deep dive into social heredity — this time tackling one of the most sensitive influences of all: religion.

Brooke shares how growing up outside the church made her curious about faith, while Danielle opens up about feeling "not good enough" as a child attending mass in a language she didn't understand. Together, they explore how religious upbringing shapes our beliefs — and how to tell whether your faith experience is rooted in fear or empowerment.

In this episode, you'll learn:

  • How religion fits into Napoleon Hill's concept of social heredity
  • The difference between fear-based and faith-based religion
  • A brief history of the three "Great Awakenings" in America — and why we may be in the third one right now
  • Why "separation of church and state" isn't actually in the U.S. founding documents
  • What the world's major religions have in common (purpose, community, and gratitude)
  • How books like the Gnostic Gospels and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene challenge what we were taught
  • How to move from religious trauma toward a faith-based way of living

Resources mentioned:

  • Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill
  • The Gnostic Gospels
  • The Gospel of Mary Magdalene
  • @jake_whan on Instagram

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SPEAKER_02

But if there's this fear base where you leave, and there's this fear of, you know, am I good enough or am I am I setting you know the bar too high for myself? I think that that's where we start to get the a little bit of the religious trauma that starts to come in. Yes, because of all the all the stuff we've had to get through. But hey, perseverance is uh I think what we're also learning here.

SPEAKER_01

And I think also and patience.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, exactly. And I also think for our viewers too, you know, like if you really want something, um, don't think it's always gonna be so easy, you know, or you're gonna have you might have some challenges, and that's okay. So yes. All right. So we're yes, so we're gonna move forward and uh we're gonna continue our talks on social heredity and uh the four influences of that. Um, if you are just now hopping in and wondering what the heck social heredity is, uh, real quick, basically in a nutshell, social heredity is the combination of your environment growing up. And it has somewhat helped shaped you shape you as a person today. We're gonna talk about religion. Um, it is a huge topic for social heredity. Um, and we'll all be, you know, clear here that it is also somewhat of a touchy subject. Uh, not a lot of people like to talk about religion or politics, and and that's okay. Um, but it is part of social heredity. And so we thought that it it we have to touch on it uh just a little bit. And uh we also want to start off by saying that whatever religion you practice, we support that. And this is not, we are not here to tell you what religion to uh that you should be uh uh, you know, with or or whatever that might be. Uh we're we're supportive in whatever or whoever you are. We just want to open up the door a little bit and talk about it. So um Danielle is great at history. She knows a lot about history and a lot about it. Um, I don't know so much. And so I really do rely on her a lot to teach me things about history because I didn't really pay attention that closely in school uh with history. And so uh I always go to her and ask her and say, hey, is this accurate or why is this happening? So I think something for Saniel we kind of want to touch on is that, you know, especially going back to Napoleon Hill, we talk a lot about, I talk a lot about him, especially in Outwitting the Devil. He he really goes through the whole social heredity um in depth. And uh one thing that he expresses in there is this fear or faith-based religions, right? And so do we go to a religion that we walk out and we feel more fearful, or do we walk out and feel more faith-based? So can you talk a little bit about that just in history and context, put it into context context for us?

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. I think, I mean, and like you said, it's a very touchy subject. Um, it's especially I I think this this religion and politics um uh diatribe is is very touchy, and I get that. But I also am of the feeling that we have to get beyond the uncomfortableness of having these conversations because you look around at the division in our country, like we have to start talking more so that there's more talking, more diplomacy, and less, less violence. Um, that being said, I mean, we could go off into all these tangents about religion. So I'm gonna try to stay kind of focused to the United States. Um, obviously, we we have a Judeo-Christian uh founding. Um, the Ten Commandments heavily influenced our rule of law. Um, you can go back. I mean, what's really fascinating, and hopefully I, you know, can say this without um certain words being problematic, but I really do think we're in a third great awakening right now. And just, you know, 30 seconds of history in the mid-1700s, 1740s was the first great awakening. And there were um ministers like uh John Edwards and George Whitehead, Whithead, um, that really were trying to impress upon their the, you know, this is before the United States was even a nation. They were trying to challenge people and challenge authority. And I think this is where we are at right now. There is a lot of challenging authority. There's a lot of distrust of authority. And so when we talk about religion, and my husband and I got into this long conversation on Saturday about this, especially, you know, I know this is gonna come out after Easter, but this is the the Holy Week that we're filming in. And I thought that was kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I thought I thought that was a little interesting that we fell on this week too, that it is holy week. Right. Um, and that we are uh we are recording. So that was kind of an uh an aha moment. I was like, oh wow, it's holy week and we're recording about religion. So yeah.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

But yeah, go ahead and go and continue.

SPEAKER_01

With the popularity of the chosen, I feel like, you know, there is a resurgence in in interest in Jesus and in Christianity. I mean, I know we have a kind of different we that that's a a touchy subject right there. You know, did Jesus even want to have a church? But that's like a whole nother, whole nother episode. But so the first great awakening in the 1740s, it's gonna start inspiring change. And in the first Great Awakening, the change was the birth of a nation. Um, it's gonna help lead to, coupled with the Enlightenment ideas, it's gonna lead to the American Revolution. Um, there's gonna be a second Great Awakening about a hundred years later in the antebellum America, right before the Civil War. And people start reading the Bible and they're thinking, okay, well, this is saying that God created us all equal. But looking around in pre-Civil War America, people were not equal, not by any stretch of the imagination. So I think that second great awakening is going to help inspire what eventually becomes, I mean, the Civil War, but the abolishment of slavery, and then obviously, you know, the expansion of rights to not just men that had property, but to everyone. And so I do think we're in the third great awakening right now. It might not be named that yet, but there's definitely something going on in this world. And I definitely think we're in a spiritual war, whether we realize it or not. So that's kind of the history of it. I mean, we can get into our founding documents. I know a lot of people like to um reference our First Amendment, um, very, very important part of our nation. But what I find really interesting is in our founding documents, our founding fathers did not write that government gives you your rights. They clearly say that the rights are endowed by our creator. Now, you can interpret that however you want, but I think a lot of people in today's society look at rights coming from our government and our government being the source of, you know, our basic needs, things like that. And so I think what what we need to get back to is why did they say that? Why did they say our rights are endowed by our creator? And what does that mean for all the political upheaval that's going on right now? But um, getting back to what you were saying about uh Napoleon Hill, I mean, that social heredity, especially with religion, I think it influences so heavily, especially, I mean, for me as a child, I grew up in a third world country in South America where we did go to mass. It was in Spanish. Um, my parents and my older sister were all fluent. I I am not, I'm still trying. But um it was scary for me. And I don't mean that the church was scary. I just mean I didn't know what was going on. And I just remember feeling constantly like I wasn't good enough, like I don't know. I just felt like a bad person. And so as I've gotten older and kind of changed the way I view religion, changed the way I view faith, it's really eye-opening to look back at how I felt as a child and as a a young, a young person. Um what do you think about that and and what Napoleon Hill says about that?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I definitely think that it correlates um something that Napoleon Hill says, and he always he says, listen, religion isn't technically a bad thing, right? Believe what you want. What he says that it gets kind of in the weeds is that if it's fear-based or faith-based. So if you're going to whether it be a temple, a mosque, you know, uh, you know, wherever you're going, uh, a church, you want to make sure that you're feeling as though there is some sort of feel-good feeling there is is is the best that I can maybe describe it. Um, do you feel God's presence there? And I have had actually quite a few clients. Um, for those that don't know, I do live in the Bible belt. Um, and I have had some clients come to me that do have religious trauma. Uh, and this is trauma that they, like you said, have felt fear. They have felt criticized. Now, these are not all churches. This is not, yeah, self-doubt. This is this is not across the board. These are just people that have come that have lived in certain environments, maybe whether it was their family or the church or whatever, that have made them feel that way. So it does, it does correlate. And I think that that's what Napoleon Hill was saying was that listen, have learn how to have faith, right? Learn how to connect, learn how to that, to that infinite source, right? To whatever it is that you feel like you you can connect to, connect to it and talk to it and and and and and rely on it and whatever whatever that might be. And so, but if but if there's this fear base where you leave and there's this fear of, you know, am I good enough or am I am I setting you know the bar too high for myself? I think that that's where we start to get the a little bit of the religious trauma that starts to come in. And so, um, and and it's it's And again, we're not supposed to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01

So it becomes this trauma that we we kind of hide from shame because again, we're not supposed to talk about it. So it's yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And there are a lot of people out there that have it. You know, I I'm I'm I'm I'm point blank telling you that there are a lot of people out there that have it and that it does take time to get over that and to really again be able to have sort of that faith or that connection. But once once you get out of that and you move into the faith-based, you know, way of living, um, it does feel there is a way, there is a way out. So if if you're listening to this and you do have religious trauma, there is a way out. Um, and um you're not you're not stuck there forever. Uh something that I found very interesting when I was um going through, and you know, when we do these podcasts, you know, I do some some some research just like you do. You know, you make notes, you say, hey, this is what I'm I'm gonna say, or maybe this might come up, or or whatever. Um, this really is not scripted, you all really at all. Danielle and I, we kind of, yeah, we we kind of send some text back and forth and say, hey, this is, you know, this is what we're gonna talk about. Okay, yeah, what do you want to talk about? And you know, we we kind of just do it on the fly. Um, but something that I I came across was um I wanted to research what all the religions, and they found that there was mainly seven of them in in the world. Now, you do have a bunch of other ones. I think they said there was like hundreds, thousands of them actually, but the main ones, yeah, the main ones, and I thought it was really interesting. So I wanted to share this. Um, Christianity, it says has 2.3 billion followers for Christianity, Islam was 2.0 billion, which I found a little surprising. No religion was 1.9 billion, which is actually, yeah, right. Like I thought that was kind of interesting. Um, Hinduism 1.2 billion, Buddhism three, 324 million, and Judaism 15 million. Um, which brought me kind of over to Judaism was that if you think about how many people were unalived under the Nazi Germany rule, was about six million. Um, so definitely that has impacted that religion as well. Because imagine if six million people hadn't were actually here today, I think that that religion would be maybe a little bit more up on that list. Um, and so as I started to look at this, I started to wonder something that my mentor always asks me all the time about things, is he says, Brooke, who do you think is the happiest religion? And so I really started to look into that, right? And I started to question that because I think is something that I I try to be as a thinker, right? And and if we're if we're a thinker, we have to start asking questions. So curious, yes, be curious, right? Always being curious about something. And uh what I realized after when I was when I was researching this was that the majority of people who could identify with a religion, they did these three things. It didn't matter what religion they were in, but they did these three things. One was feeling a sense of purpose in their life. Number two was having community and connection. And number three was practicing gratitude, service, and reflection. And so yeah. So that was that was really right. So that was really enlightening because when I went through my year-long program at Peace and Prosperity Institute, I got very curious about religion. I was like, man, what is it about? You know, because I had, I was not born in the church. My parents did not take me to church growing up. Um, I didn't start going to church until I was about 13. And I was very curious about it. Always felt like there was something bigger than me around me. And I just, I couldn't really understand, I didn't really understand it. And so I started going to church and really started to be interested in like, what is this? What is this source? What is this, you know, Jesus? What is this, you know, Christianity thing about? What is this all about? And so I went into the program, I started to get really, really interested in a lot of religions, and I started to look at them all, and I really realized that they all have had a lot in common. And really the the the main thing was really to be kind. And I think that that's really what I that I really the root of of every religion that I really looked into, it was really to be kind and to be of service. And I'd probably say three was really gratitude. And so I think that as we as we do kind of talk about religion here, I think really understanding that, like I've said before in other podcasts in in other episodes, is that you know, talk to people that are not maybe doing the same thing that you're doing or um aren't interested in the same things as you right, go talk to them. When I was in my my program, I was with everybody in the program was mainly Jewish. And I knew nothing about Judaism. I knew I really knew nothing. I didn't understand it. I I just I I knew that uh what I had been told was that you know they didn't they didn't believe in Christ. And that was that was that. That's all I really knew about it.

SPEAKER_01

And we learned these basics, but it's yeah, right, basically, yes, given with context. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And so we we all became very close like family. And I started to ask, I started to ask them questions about their their religion. I started to say, you know, what is it, what do you guys mean by when you say this, or what is what is the book that you you learn from? Or, you know, what is it? And and I learned I have learned so much from them that and I what I have learned in this process is that we're all a lot alike. We're mainly all really just at the at the soul of our of our existence, we're just humans, you know, and I want to say just humans, but we're human, right? And um, again, we're all trying to survive, I think, and trying to and to and trying to thrive and do and take care of our families and our friends and the people closest to us and and maybe make an impact on the world. So I think for me, you know, that's really what I I really want to come across with religion, is that no matter what you where you identify and whatever, um, I think it's great to go and talk to somebody else about maybe their religion and try to get the perspective on their side and to remember that a lot of us that claim a religion or identify with a religion is because we grew up with that religion. And that's the religion that was brought to us, you know, in a book, or we went to mass, or we went to church, or we went to the mosque or the temple. And that's how we've connected since we were children. And it's okay to, it's okay to sit down and have a conversation with people and to try to understand a little bit more of maybe their social heredity and why they believe in what they believe. Um you want to add anything to that?

SPEAKER_01

Well, we're gonna say this over and over, but everyone has their own viewpoints and their own stories. And without being in those persons' shoes and having those experiencing, having that exposure, like for me, that's what really helps me understand why we are so different, because we don't have the same story. And this, the tribalism that I see in society right now, we see it everywhere. We see it in politics, we see it in religion, we see it in like pop culture. I mean, everything is divide, divide, divide. And I think, you know, if you go back, the ancients, you know, well, I don't how far back you want to go. Um, in ancient times, people already felt connected to God. They they felt connected through the rhythms of nature. Um, you know, they they didn't have iPhones and tons of different things distracting them like we do. So I feel like that connection was different. You know, a lot of times today we'll hear people say, you need to go touch grass, like you need to go just kind of be at one with nature and get away from the craziness that is the world. And I mean, there is not a culture in human history that has not practiced some form of religion. And again, we're not saying religion is good or bad, but what I would ask people is how what is your relationship with religion? And again, faith and religion, different thing. Um I wanted to give props to uh at Jake underscore W-H-A-N. He he had this video, and I just wrote this down because I thought it was um fascinating. And that's on Instagram. Um, he said, religion was not created to connect you to God, it was created to control your connection to God. Institutions came to believe something. If they could control what people believe, you can control how they behave. So they took mystical teachings, and I'm not just talking about Christ, but Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, and they institutionalize them. And so this is where I think it does get touchy, it does get um challenging to talk about. But it makes me wonder are religions good? Are they, well, let me let me rephrase that. Um, is the religion that you're following or that you're interested in following, is it about good things? Is it about happiness and hope and faith and having a better world? Or is it fear-based? And for me, it used to be fear-based when I was a child. And I think that kind of pushed me away from it. Now, as I'm older, as I'm a mother and a wife and and I have time to to read and and dig more into these things, I have a completely different view of religion. But um just thinking about that, and uh I know something interesting that I found out last year or two is I didn't realize that the Bible, the the Christian Bible was curated. Like I thought that the Bible was the Bible. And I have come to found, and in fact, I even went and bought the Gnostic Gospels. I have that. There are all that too. Oh my gosh, there's all these things. Yeah. And it, and okay, here's me, the curious person. Why did they choose some books to include, but not others? And one of the ones that I finished reading, and it's phenomenal, is the gospels of of Mary Magdalene. And what I one little thing, it I grew up the church telling everyone that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Um, and when I started digging into the gospel of Mary Magdalene, I found out that that wasn't the case. There was a pope like in 500 something that claimed she was. But if you look at the words that were used to describe her, it means more like rebel or someone who maybe wasn't considered normal in her society. Well, when you read the Gospels of Mary, yes, yes. When you read the Gospels of Of Mary Magdalene, it talks a lot about mindset, about um you know the kingdom being within us, about the the ability to create. Why'd they leave it out?

SPEAKER_02

Why?

SPEAKER_01

Um, I know the the book of Enoch talks about giants and how angels um you know had relations with with human women and created these giants and how that's been suppressed. I mean, there's just so much. And I'm not saying I believe everything, but why did they cut it out? And and what does that say about any religion? It it's not just laid out and they included everything. I think there were powers that be, elites, whatever you want to call them, that looked and said, okay, this fits our narrative. We're gonna include that because that's gonna help us get people to think a certain way and and follow us and be obedient. And then the things that are more rebellious, more challenging are are left out. And I just I would really encourage people to dig into that. Not only is it fascinating, but it really makes you look at our world and go, well, what else are they lying about?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And I think too, you know, this this being we are recording on Holy Week. And I think that even if you look at, and we we talked about this, you know, we if you look at Jesus, you know, he he was kind of a black sheep. Yeah. Oh, he he, you know, I mean, he went out of the norm. He spoke about things that they didn't want him talking about. And I think that that's why we even now we have to even even, and if you are a Christian, look at look at Jesus as an example to say, listen, he he went up there and and he he died because of things that he was saying, because they were afraid that he would take over the influence of who knows, right? I mean, what happened if he would have yeah, yeah, what's the thing?

SPEAKER_01

The the Pharisees, yeah, whoever you want to blame. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. The people, right? That he would they were afraid that he would take over, that he would have control, because one of the most dangerous things that anybody can have is influence. And that is that influence is very important, and it's very you have to keep that very safe and honest. And he was going, he, he, he was going against some people that he didn't see think that were doing the right things, and he spoke out and they didn't like it. And he flipped some tables, he flipped some tables, you know, and he ended up having to lose his life over it. And so this is, I think, also something that you and I, you know, we have to talk about these things. We have to start talking, we have to start opening communication because if we don't, then then then people in the past, whether whoever they are, any mentors, any mentors that have that have died because they use their voice, right? And and and so we have to understand that we have to speak up about these things and and that it is okay not to agree, right? To just listen and to just hear somebody out. So talking about, you know, Mary Magdalene, I mean, yeah, they were all they they were really all black sheep. They really weren't. They were they they separated themselves from from the flock, you know? And um, and yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just gonna say, I'm glad you you said the word separate, because I I think a lot of times when religion comes up, especially talking with politics, and I know it feels like I talk about politics a lot, but history and politics are my obsession. Some people like, you know, um, boy bands. Uh, I'm back in the 90s, some people are fascinated with certain things. I love history and politics. I find it fascinating. I find human behavior fascinating. And so a lot of times when I am talking to someone, they go, Well, there's there's no religion in our government. Um, and they reference separation of church and state. And they go, Well, that's in our founding documents. And the truth is, it's not. You cannot find the phrase separation of church and state in our government. It doesn't exist in our documents. Um, it was actually written in a letter from Thomas uh Jefferson, who did pen the Declaration of Independence and was our third president. Um, he was writing to um a group of Baptists in Danbury, and he he was saying, because they were worried that they were a minority group, that they were a minority religion and that their rights would be taken away because they were the minority. And so he was basically assuring them and saying, no, there should be a wall of separation. And you have to look at the founding of our nation to understand that. We we had basically two groups of people coming to the United States, more than two groups, but I'm over-generalizing. You had in 1607 uh the Jamestown um settlement, which would later be Virginia. Um, that's where you get John Rolfe, uh, John Smith, you get the whole those who do not work, do not eat. But that was way more about making money in capitalism than anything else. You go up into present-day New England, you have the Massachusetts uh Bay Colony, the Puritans that uh, you know, were literally seeking religious freedom. And the reason that they left England, or one of the reasons, was England was very volatile when it came to religion. And we can go way back to King Henry VIII. I know a lot of people are familiar with him, and props to my eighth-grade honors English teacher for helping me remember his six wives. So it's divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived. And this all started, all this drama with King Henry VIII started because he wanted a divorce from his first wife. Her name was Catherine of Aragon. She was Catholic, she was from um, you know, Catholic country, and he was not able to have a male heir. They had a daughter named Mary. Um, but he wanted a divorce and he wanted to marry Anne Boleyn. And the Roman Catholic Church, because of the ties with Catherine of Aragon's um uh parents, said no. And King Henry VIII said, okay, because at the time the crown in um England was heavily influenced by Rome and by the Vatican. And so when they have this mashup, King Henry VIII basically says, Okay, if you guys aren't gonna grant me this divorce, I'm gonna make my own church and declare myself the head of it, and I'm gonna grant myself a divorce. And that's exactly what happened. And what happens in the subsequent decades and even centuries is that if there was a Protestant ruler like his second daughter, um, Elizabeth I, probably one of the most well-known monarchs in history, then the Catholics were persecuted. If it was a Catholic ruler like his first daughter Mary, then the Protestants were targeted and persecuted. So you have this seesaw, depending on who's in power, the other group was scared. So that's what's gonna bring people to present-day New England and in search of religious freedom. But our First Amendment says freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. They didn't want to have an established church, they wanted people to have the ability to worship as they saw fit. And I just think that sometimes, and again, it goes back to control and getting people to behave and think a certain way. So I just thought that was interesting, just kind of a little, you know, microcosm of our founding and and just how it how it does have to do with religion and the freedom to practice. Because I think at the end of the day, freedom is about choice. Um, and it might not be a choice that everyone agrees with.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And I and this is why you guys, this is why, this is why history is so important when we talk about social heredity. Because even though she's going back way back, how far are you going back? 1500s. Okay, here we go. 1500s, right? We have to understand that the 1500s. 1500s talking about um America.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, early 1500s.

SPEAKER_02

1600s is now affecting us in 2026. We have to remember that all of this is it's it's like a tidal wave. It just it just keeps coming. So it's important for us to understand that I didn't know any of that. You I just learned something. So I hope that our viewers learned something too, because I'm telling you, I did not know that. And um, that is the drama of 1600s, right? I mean, they were able to just get rid of their wives, which that's a whole nother topic we do talk about on another episode.

SPEAKER_01

Religion can shape a person's mindset in ways that can limit confidence, decision making, personal growth. That's a Napoleon Hill thing. So when it comes to religion, again, you do you, bro. Like, let, you know, we have the freedom and and the ability to follow what we want. But I think, and not, I think I know certain things have been kind of um, I don't want to put say put off limits, but we I I feel like as a young child, I was trained that horoscopes were bad. Um, and I used to always laugh because I would read my horoscope. I'm a Gemini. And if it was something that benefited me, I believed it. Oh, you know, love is coming your way when you're, you know, a young single woman, or oh, financial success is coming. But if it didn't align with what I wanted, I was like, oh, that's bogus. Now take that and apply it to the larger world. Like we're we're taught that people that meditate are, you know, in some cases, oh, that's kind of weird. That's kind of different. Well, isn't meditation just praying? Like, I think we just need to start throwing off the shackles of what we think is is acceptable or not and and learn because we have been trained and told for a very long time certain things. And I think part of what's happening, and I want to tell you a story real quick before we we um uh sign off. Do you remember in 2012 when everybody thought the world was gonna end? Yeah, like the hundreds of like the whole Mayan calendar. Okay, yeah. So my husband and I were on a an incentive trip um to Cancun and we went and visited uh Tulum, one of the Mayan ruins. And it was in January of 2012. And I remember we had this this docent who was just I he he was uh an expert on Mayan history. And and I asked him, I'm like, okay, you know, dumb American here, um, what what what does that mean the whole world's gonna end? And he told me something that I thought was fascinating. He said, no, that's been a little like misconstrued by the media and by the public. He said that they didn't think the world was gonna end. He said it was gonna be a time of great change. And in hindsight, I feel like it has been a time of great change. And so when we look at that, and again, that was fear-based, just like Y2K on Millennial Uh Midnight, like things that are designed to induce fear should be a key that something is is off. Because who wants to live in a fear-based world? And right now we do. I feel like a lot of people wake up and what's the first thing we do? We we open our phone and we get caught up on news and we start our day off with this ah versus you know, being happy, cup of coffee, relaxing, and and moving into our day with prayer, meditation, you know, whatever, um, whatever people choose to do. But I just I just thought that was fascinating and kind of, you know, interesting given the religion and and all that goes with it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you. And I think that that is the core, core of what we're talking about with social heredity, is that when you look at your social heredity, when you look at these different four influences, did you have more fear based in one area? And if you did, really look into that and ask yourself, what was fearful about that? What did I experience in that sort of uh in that sort of influence that would make me feel fear, right? And so that's what we're asking with even religion or news, right? Is it fearful? What does it feel like in your body? Does it, do you, do you turn off the TV and do you feel more feared? Or do you feel more happy? Do you have more faith in the world? Do you go to uh your, you know, go to your religion or whatever, your mosque, your, you know, you, or even if you open a book, you know, do you feel fear afterwards? Do you feel or do you feel faith? Do you feel better afterwards? Um. And I think these are just the things that we have to start asking ourselves, you know, and and and and that's yeah, you hit it on the nail on the head. It's just, is it fear or faith? And you know, that's and our world is our world is full of these. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We have to start moving into, and I think, and when we talk about this, this we're not we're not supposed to say these words, people, but we're gonna say them. When we talk about this awakening that we're gonna have, uh, you know, we this is what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. When we start to awaken ourselves, we stop living in this more dense reality, this fear-based reality, and we start to move into this more lighter feeling, this more peaceful feeling, more happy feeling. If that's something that you feel like you're going through, then you're probably having some sort of awakening or some sort of you know spiritual need to be.

SPEAKER_01

It gets very uncomfortable. And that's one thing you you warned me about. You said, Danielle, when things are gonna change, you will get uncomfortable. And you were absolutely right. And I still feel it. So sometimes when I start feeling uncomfortable, I'm like, okay, what's coming? What changes coming? But yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Or how are we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good thing. Yeah. And and even us having this conversation about religion, you know, um, you know, Danielle and I were like, you know, this is gonna feel maybe a little uncomfortable to talk about this because not a lot of people talk about it. But we we we know that this is part of social heredity and that we had to at least talk about part of it. Um, and also I think we want to encourage our listeners that listen, if you have questions or we've, you know, said something that you can bring um more enlightenment to us on what we've talked about, you know. I don't know, maybe we have some some religious scholar come in here one day and and answer our questions of what they think, you know, or I don't know. I mean, we're not we're not uh professionals about on, you know, religion or whatever, whatever, but we're just coming from our our background and what we've what we've gathered um through through our awakenings and through our studies and our the history that you've learned and from our families and things like that. So we do encourage you to write in to our email. We don't you can email our email. Yeah, we we're gonna put the email in the comments. Um, and so you are more than um happy to email us any questions or any topics that you want us to talk about. Uh, we do have a lot of things lined up for you, but we want to hear from you. We want to do topics that are interesting that you're interested in. Um, so yeah, uh thanks for joining us today, and we will see you episode four. Have a great day. Bye.