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Education: Why School Shaped You More Than You Realize

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In the fourth and final episode of their social heredity series, Brooke Benevento and Danielle Griffiths tackle the institution that shaped nearly all of us: education.

Danielle digs into the surprising origins of the American school system — from the Puritans' Old Deluder Satan Act of 1647, to Prussia's military-inspired model, to John D. Rockefeller's investment in creating a workforce of obedient workers rather than critical thinkers. They explore how standardized testing was born from Frederick Kelly's Kansas Silent Reading Test — and how even its creator later criticized it for crushing student creativity.

Brooke shares a powerful personal story about a teacher who called her writing "the worst story I've ever heard" — and how that one moment silenced her creative voice for decades. Both hosts open up about school experiences that left lasting marks and discuss why labels like "too talkative" or "not focused" aren't flaws — they're clues to who your child really is.

In this episode, you'll learn:

  • The real origins of the American school system — from Puritan literacy to Prussian obedience
  • How Rockefeller's investment shaped schools to produce workers, not thinkers
  • The story behind standardized testing and why its own creator rejected it
  • How a single teacher's words can shape (or shatter) a child's identity
  • Why school labels like "unfocused" or "too talkative" are actually strengths in disguise
  • Practical ways to help your kids become critical thinkers
  • Why it's never too late to redefine yourself and change your path

Resources mentioned:

  • The Old Deluder Satan Act of 1647
  • Frederick Kelly and the Kansas Silent Reading Test
  • The "fish climbing a tree" quote (often attributed to Albert Einstein)
  • Cal Poly San Luis Obispo — "Learn by Doing"
  • Peace and Prosperity Institute

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SPEAKER_00

My reading teacher, I wrote this story and I was so proud of this story. And uh when she came by my desk, she said, This is honestly the worst story I've ever, ever heard in my life. And I was heartbroken. I walked out of there completely defeated. I threw the paper away. From that moment on, I told myself, you're the worst writer in the world. You're stupid. You're dumb. But yeah, I have written a book now. So if I am not the worst writer in the author.

SPEAKER_01

Hello, Brooke. How are you doing today? Doing amazing. How are you doing? Amazing. I love it. I love it. We are finishing up our fourth and final social heredity episode today. Today we're going to talk about social heredity and education. So why don't you kick us off, Brooke?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh, I love this. And uh I think something that a question that we have to start asking ourselves is why do so many people spend 12 to 16 years in school and still have no idea who they are or what they want to do with their life? Almost every single one of us has gone through the same system and at the most impressionable years of our life. So whether we realize it or not, the school system has somewhat shaped us as people. So, of course, in order for us to understand how it shaped us, we have to learn about why it was even created. And lucky for us, we have one of the greatest history buffs on the planet with us. Again, Danielle. I like to call her that my little history buff. Um, so yeah, so Danielle, can you please tell us more about how who like who created the school system and what was the purpose of it really?

SPEAKER_01

Sure. It was actually interesting to dig into this a little bit. I'm familiar with the school system in the 1800s, but uh the creation of it actually predates the birth of our nation. I know we're about to celebrate 250 years as a nation uh this July. But going back to pre-1776 when we were the colonies, I mean, going way back into the 1600s, the uh Plymouth, Plymouth Rock and the Puritans, they landed in uh what's now Massachusetts in 1620. And the Puritan families there highly regarded education, and it had a lot to do with practicing religion. They believed that in order to be um to learn about God, to learn about the Bible, they needed to be literate so that every person could interpret the Bible themselves. And I found something kind of interesting. They had it was called the Act of 1647, and they called it the old deluder Satan Act of 1647. Um they highly valued education, but they wanted education to be there as a protectorant for their people and their children against the devil. And I just thought that was fascinating how frank they were about that. And basically what that act said is for towns that had 50 families or more, which wouldn't have been that common. Um, we didn't have the bustling metropolises back then like we do today. But it said if you have 50 or more families, you need to have a teacher to teach school children. And for a very long time, I would argue in you know 1700s, even into the early 1800s until the Industrial Revolution really took over, uh, education was primarily something that the wealthy um were the only ones that could could afford to send their kids, mainly males. Um less than 20% of girls were um uh educated uh prior to the 1900s. Obviously that that changed, but uh a lot of those uh early towns wanted to make sure that their their children had at least a basic education. Now the industrial revolution is gonna change all of that. And so we're fast-forwarding a little bit, but during the industrial revolution, um, actually the country of Prussia, which a lot of people aren't familiar with Prussia, it's it's gonna become Germany, but they uh were defeated by Napoleon's forces and they blamed it on their soldiers and they said, okay, we need to have a process or a system where we take children, again, predominantly male, and they it was almost, I think they were uh modeling it after the the Spartan academies, where they would send them away for 12 years. They would train them to be obedient, to be disciplined. And that's actually gonna be the model that the United States will uh apply to our system in the late 1800s, early 1900s. And then you've got John D. Rockefeller, who made his his fortune on oil. He is gonna be really involved in the creation of the American school system. He invests upwards of about $300 million, which is a lot of money now. You can imagine how much that was back in the day. And he really wanted to focus on a structured school where I mean, think about how our schools are structured now. There's a bell system that, you know, signals when it's time to go to your next class. The seats are in lines, it's you have to raise your hand to speak. It's it's a lot about obedience. And it it's kind of difficult to say it, but he wanted to help create workers. And it's I know we've talked about this. It's not about creating uh critical thinkers or uh entrepreneurs, at least back then. They wanted to train workers, and so I I think that that is is fascinating. It's a little scary, but that those are the origins of education um up until about a hundred years ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh something that I took from that was uh when we think about, we kind of break it down. We think about maybe like the bells, when the bells go off. This is exactly what happens when you are in, when they were in the industrial age. They would heal, they would hear the bells, and then it was that was their indication that there was a shift change, or they were to go to lunch and come back from lunch and things like that. Uh sitting still, like you said, we could make this into compliance. Sit down, be quiet, follow instructions, right? Uh and following everyone following this same curriculum would also be sort of uniform thinking. If you're giving everybody the same, the same information, then everybody is thinking the same exact things. Right. Uh some something really interesting. Uh I was talking to an eight-year-old a couple weeks ago, and he was telling me, I asked him, I said, You know, I'm from California. And he said, Yeah. And you know, he grew, he's grown up here in Tennessee. And I said, What do you know about California? And he said, You people are weird and you have a lot of earthquakes. And I said, Oh, and I said, Oh, whoa, okay. For an eighth grader, that's kind of what came up, right? And I found it very interesting to know that if you live in California, you learn about California. When you live in Tennessee, you learn about Tennessee. You guys might think that we're all learning all of the same things, but we're really, we are at in a sense, but in a when we live in certain demographics, we're also being sort of fed different things about different areas. And something that I've learned stepping out of California and moving to a completely different state is that we are all a lot alike, but there are a lot of things that we do not understand why we do the things that we do. So that's been really interesting. And I think that I wanted to tell that story because I thought it was really interesting that an eighth grader or an eight-year-old uh was telling me that, well, this is what we're kind of told is that you guys just have a lot of earthquakes. I'm like, well, there's so much more about California than earthquakes. Yeah. So, but again, we, you know, when I go into families, um, I see this a lot right now with people. And as kids, you know, we're they're so busy learning facts for state testing. We never, they never really get a chance to explore who they are in school. No one is asking them or asking them, what do you think? What do you who who do you think you are? What what do you like? Right? School was never designed to ask, what are you naturally great at?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And if we if we really think about it, we are rewarding for being right, not for thinking differently. They want us to, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead, go ahead. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01

I was just gonna say it's interesting you bring that up because you know, we live in a culture where standardized testing is the norm. And I actually did find there's a guy named Frederick J. Kelly, who was an educator, and he developed um something when he was getting his doctorate called the Kansas Silent Reading Test. You and I know it as multiple choice. And this is gonna be turn of the century, so early 1900, like 1914, 1915. It's actually gonna be used in World War I as they were, you know, um drafting student, uh, excuse me, drafting soldiers into the war. They would give them these tests to kind of identify their strengths and then use that as placement. But this became the norm for public education in the United States because it dealt with two of the major problems in education at the time. One was the subjectivity of teacher grading. They realized that teachers had biases as they would grade papers. And so multiple choice kind of takes that out of the equation. And then it was also, it took teachers a long time to mark up papers. And so uh being able to do multiple choice and and have it be more uniform, that's gonna lead to the creation of the SATs that that's most colleges still use today. So it's interesting to look at at the origins. But what I thought was really interesting is this man, Frederick Kelly, later criticized the tests. And I quote, allegedly he said they were too crude to be used and should be abandoned because he was seeing what it was doing to the creativity of the students. Where if you're writing an essay, you can throw out different arguments, you can kind of really show your your train of thought with the multiple choice and with the the more standardized testing, it's more difficult to do that. I just thought that was that was interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that that is really fascinating. I uh, you know, and and I think even with these kids in school, you know, we immediately want to label them, you know, as if you're too talkative or or they're not, or this kid's not focused, right? Me too. Um, you're not applying yourself enough. And these things, I I really want to be clear about this because I see this so much with kids right now, is that these things are labeled as bad. And I want kids and parents to know that these are not bad qualities at all. These are just indicators, good indicators of what our children are good at. And the more we try and make them fit into this mold that doesn't feel right to them, we slowly extinguish who they came, who they came here to be as people. So I don't know about you, but I've had good and bad experiences in school. Uh we all have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think one thing that as teachers, you know, my first grade teacher, she was amazing. I love her. Uh she knows that. I uh tell her often on Facebook how amazing she was and how much I I really appreciate her, appreciated her as a teacher. Uh, I've also had an experience where, and I'm gonna, and I'm gonna I want to ex, I want to really tell you about this because I think that a lot of people can maybe relate to this. Um, you know, I was in a reading class in seventh or eighth grade, I'm not quite sure which one. Um actually, my report card is in this desk. Uh, I keep it in there as a as a reminder of uh of of this situation. Uh, but my reading teacher, I wrote this story and I was so proud of this story. And uh when she came by my desk, she said, This is honestly the worst story I've ever ever heard in my life. And I was heartbroken. I was heartbroken because I had put so much into that. And of course, there was this fat D on um on my paper. And I walked out of there completely defeated. I threw the paper away in the trash as I was walking out. And I, from that moment on, I told myself, you're the worst writer in the world. You're stupid, you're dumb. And I think that this is what we have to be careful of as this is part of social heredity, whether it's in the home, it's in the church, it's in the school, right? The news that we're watching, the media that we're watching, is that our kids, their minds are so fragile. And even just one person that has just a little bit of influence over them can wipe out every good influence so quickly. And I know that this teacher probably may have had a bad day or spoke out of, you know, turn or she shouldn't have said that. I understand that. And trust me, I forgive her now. Um, but yeah, I have written a book now. So it, I am not the worst writer in the world. Yeah, you're an author. Right. So, so listen, I I and you know, if you're if you're a young adult listening to this, or even a 40-year-old woman listening to this, or a man, and you're like, hey, you know what, that happened to me too. Um, I I suggest you forgive the person that told you that. And and just maybe they were having a bad day. But just because they they thought that doesn't mean that that it was right. So and I'm sure you have personal stories like that too.

SPEAKER_01

I do. In fact, it's weird that the one of the most distinct memories I have doesn't really even have to do with school. I remember I was in third grade. Um, my family, we lived overseas for the better part of of my first decade of life. Um, I actually grew up in South America until I was about the age of eight. And so we we moved um to California. And, you know, I I had learned how to make friends quickly because we did move every three or four years. So I would learn how to make friends. And one of my new friends, her her parents were getting divorced. And um, this was back, Barbie was kind of still popular, but do you remember the gem dolls? Yeah, she would like to touch touch her ear and call synergy. Well, I had gotten a gem doll and I cut the back of the box with so it had like gems' face, and I I I can still remember her name. I wrote dear and her name, and I said, Hey, it's gonna be okay. Don't worry about it. Like basically, I was trying to encourage her. Well, she sat two rows over, and so I passed this little encouraging note, and it got intercepted by the teacher, and I can like feel the blood draining from my face, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, and I remember and real quick, and real quick, and real quick. Some people may not know this, but our kids, I told them the other day that we used to pass notes, and they were like, What? What do you mean you were passing notes? Right? Exactly. Okay, sorry to interrupt, but hey, for those of you that don't know, we used to pass notes across across the way, and everybody had to make sure that nope, the teacher didn't see, and it was like, here, here, you know, you had to like cough and you know, yeah, you had to get creative in that.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, what what what stays with me about that story? I got in trouble. I remember my teacher saying, let's see what's more important than spelling. And I remember wanting to say, it's not that it's more important than spelling, it's just my friend is in need and I didn't want her to cry in class. She said, I'm gonna cry in class. And so it's just in hindsight, I would have done it over again. But getting in trouble over something that I felt was a good thing to do is seared in my young child's memory. And I just think it's interesting how how we remember things like that and how they shape us. And, you know, I was always called a dumb blonde, even though I was in honors classes. And then when I was an athlete, I was called a jock chick. I don't even know what that means. I remember getting made fun of. Oh, you're a schoolgirl. And now as an adult, I can look back and go, oh, they were making fun of me for getting good grades. I can deal with that. But at the time, I felt like something was wrong with me. And so I think it really, you know, and that can be a whole nother topic, but I think you really start to pay attention to what other people think of you. And it's not always positive. And so that that's something as a woman in her 40s, I'm trying to heal from things I didn't even realize bugged me so much, but it's very liberating, it's very, very hopeful. So that's that's the story I remember from elementary school.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. And I think we all have very similar stories like this. And, you know, we we go to school and we learn all this stuff, and you know, we make the friends and all the things happen. And then we turn 18, we leave school, and suddenly it's like, hey, pick a career, choose your life, figure it out, right? Um, but no one taught us how to figure ourselves out. And we we are, and I I would really hope that maybe as a parent, you start to really look at your kids and ask, you know, what are what are they good at? You know, ask your children, what are you good at? What energizes you? What aligns with with you? How do you feel when you do something? What do you what are you interested in? And we wonder why so many people feel stuck right now. And it really is because we have not been asking ourselves these questions, you know, and growing up, we should be, I I really, really wish that there was some sort of uh class in in in high schools. And I I hope one day there will be, and maybe I'll be a part of that. I don't know. But um, but to really help, to really help these kids discover themselves and um so that when we do get to be 18 or 19 years old and we do have to start kind of going out into the world and and trying things on our own, we do have some sort of sense of who we are and what makes us. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Um would you would you would you agree with that that you know you find that some of the some it's interesting you bring that up because there's a quote and it's attributed to Albert Einstein, but then I found a bunch of websites that said he didn't say this, that it's like no one really knows who said it. But I'm sure you've probably heard this before. Um, quote, everyone, everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it's stupid. End quote. So I just think for me, and and I see parts of it, I see like pathways where they will have academies and high schools for students that want to go into the legal profession or go into like architecture or civil engineering. Like I do see education evolving, um, independent study, charter schools, homeschooling. There's there's a lot of options now. And I think that is good because it is giving that um, what's the word I'm looking for? Giving that that not power, but that ability to ask your child, what what do you enjoy doing? And maybe find either an occupation or a calling. Um, and it might be something that you're doing as a hobby and but you enjoy it. But I think just putting the fun back in education, I think one of the reasons I love school so much, and I wish I could just be a student forever, but that doesn't pay the bills, is unfortunately, I I'm so curious. I love learning and going, oh, I didn't know that. And and so that's why I'm so obsessive about history and politics. I love looking things up, I love learning new things. And more recently, I love figuring out that some of the things I've been told and have really believed my whole life are are questioning. And and I just think that that's it's we're we're at such an exciting time in human history when you think about it. And obviously AI is is scary. We could do a whole nother episode on that. But I think that very much like people thought the Industrial Revolution would just end all these jobs, it created more jobs. And I think the same is gonna be true here. I I for I foresee a future where we're living more abundantly. We're not in this rat race where we're living paycheck to paycheck, but living more abundantly where maybe we work a couple days a week and we spend the rest of our time reading. and and practicing hobbies and and you know doing leisure time spending time with family instead of just this you know working our tails off for five days a week and working for that weekend um I just think it it's I I hope it'll look different at some point.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah yeah and and the truth is is that just because you were conditioned a certain way or it doesn't mean that you have to stay stuck right you can you're allowed to you're you're allowed to question things um you can redefine yourself at any time you can we both know that you can redefine what you think at any time you can re-rediscover yourself and it's such a beautiful um experience that I think everyone should go through. However I do believe that if we give our kids the option to explore this a little bit while they're a little bit younger that maybe when we're in our 40s we won't have this sort of um midlife crisis that we like to call it. I I don't I don't call it that anymore. I call it the great awakening or having an awakening really instead of a midlife crisis. It's really not a crisis. Uh but uh I I think the the most important thing here is to really understand that, you know, how much education does shape us and where it has come from and how can we I think maybe take the good and the bad and and and hopefully we can we can leave some of the bad behind us now. And which is something that we have to mentally go into our heads and say, okay, did this teacher influence me? Did this teacher influence me? Did this counselor influence me? I mean there were times when you know I went to I would go to the the counselor's office and they would ask well what do you want to what do you want to do? And it's funny because I I always wanted to be a counselor. I wanted to be a therapist I wanted to to do that right and and and I'll be honest I did not have the grades I was not um I had I really had no business being in school um I think that I should have been in some sort of other program because I was very much uh didn't didn't like didn't learn the way that they were teaching um and I even see that in one of my children you know school was not his strong suit. I wish that there would have been and I hope that soon there will be and I think homeschools and things like that are great options for kids but I hope that there is some sort of other schools that are created soon that are more mainstream that we can these kids can go to and use more hands-on and and use the the God-given gifts that were given them really early on um instead of this really you know kind of regimed way of going to school and everyone's doing the same thing because it is very cookie cutter. And I I I think that I think that when when we can kind of as a society realize that we're all very different human beings and that we all need very different yeah it's that the routes are very the route should be very different for everybody um very specific on each person. So I hope that I hope that one day we we can see more of that coming.

SPEAKER_01

I think so it it seems like education is evolving a lot right now. And I mean think about it a hundred years ago if you need wanted to get an education you had to go to a school and even now higher education right now is ridiculously expensive and not um accessible to everyone and again we could we could get into a whole nother but yeah but I mean right now you need uh internet access if you have the desire to learn something to learn how to do something to to dig into reading you know uh writings that were done hundreds of years ago that have been scanned in I mean really we have access to almost too much information and so I can be very gonna be fascinated absolutely very overwhelming but also really cool that I mean now something happens and it's like well Google it. Well jump on YouTube learn how to you know fix the toilet or whatever the case is um by a YouTube video.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah and in our house we always say chat it just chat it you know chat it because we we we don't have all the answers I mean my kids come to me all the time with questions and I tell them all the time like I really don't know the answer to that. What do you think? You know I ask my kids that all the time now what do you think? And I'm gonna tell you that is the most important question you can ever ask your child. Your children are going to come to you and they're gonna ask you should I do this? Should I do that? Should I do this? You need to help them be critical thinkers and to think on their own. So say something like hey what do you think you should do? And if they look at you with you know they have the glaze over their eyes and they have no idea say hey let's sit down let's have a conversation let's think of some ideas that would be suitable that you would feel comfortable doing and then sit with them write down their options and show them hey these are the options that you can choose. Now you may think as a parent well that option you may have one option that you're thinking oh that's that's the better option for them I I hope they choose that option but knowing that all three of those options are great options for your children and that let them let them choose the option and let them learn let them grow let them let them have that say uh something else that I do and and this is all about thinking right getting our kids to think uh my son at a very maybe eight years old nine years old when we started at the Peace and Prosperity Institute we started learning how to um we were opening more up about ourselves and it was a lot of parenting and things like that what that we were going through at the time. And I started to realize that I would tell my child hey you need to take a shower at seven o'clock at six o'clock you need to be in the shower right and I realized you know what what does it matter really I have a very responsible child let I'm gonna let him decide. So he says mom what time should I take a shower I said I don't know what time do you think you should take a shower and he said oh no eight eight o'clock I said okay great and guess what he went and took the shower I didn't have to fight him to take the shower he just went and took the shower I gave him his freedom right I gave him the option to think for himself make a decision and we've really done that a lot with our especially our youngest and it's worked out really well and so I think also in the school systems it's I think it would be really awesome if kind of the teachers sat back maybe and let the let the kids teach let the kids kind of teach each other and and I I think that would be really interesting. Maybe they'll do like a I don't know reality show on that letting letting kids just teach and and the teachers sit back and and and kind of more of a guide. I think that would be really cool actually facilitator.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely I like that yeah a local university um here in California called Cal Poly San Luis Obispo their motto is learn by doing and they they really you know we have a lot of local uh students that go to the Cal Poly very prestigious university and I love that because finding a passion find and this is where the hope comes in in this in this episode you can change your path I know you feel like you can't but you absolutely can I am 47 years old and I am changing my path right now. And it's one of the most exciting and fulfilling things that I've ever done because I was too scared to do it before. And I don't know where this courage came from but I now it's like no this is the type of life I I want I I want to have and I'm trying to align myself to to get there. And it's taken a lot of reflection and soul searching and you know looking around my house and going okay why do why is my house not as organized as it should be why do I waste time doing this like you have to look in the mirror and really focus and think is is this taking me where I want to go or am I on the hamster wheel where I'm doing the same thing over and over and over. And that recognition and that's something you've helped me learn has been phenomenal. And so I would really encourage people I'm not suggesting you quit your job and you know just abandon um life as we know it, but look at what makes you happy look at what makes you feel fulfilled and how how can you make that part of your day or your week or your month and and it really is is life changing. I know I feel like I say that a lot but we're at a a period in our our lives where and this world where things are changing so fast. And so we can either fight against it or we can grasp it and go, okay, I'm ready. Let's go I I I'm gonna change my life for the better and actually do it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah yeah I love that and I think every day I think you know I don't want to leave anything inside of me before I die that I didn't do. I don't want to leave any any any creativity that was inside I don't want to leave it there. You know it was my you know source gave that gave something to me when I was when I was created and I think that it's really our responsibility as humans to express that uh nurture it. Yeah and courage I I love that word I love courage you you got to take the courage to do it but I'm telling you once you step out and you do it it's it's so freeing that you're like I want to do it again. I want to do that again. I want to do that again because it feels so so good.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah so just avoid avoid the the trap that I you know remember I would keep telling you I wish I would have done this sooner. I wish I would have done this sooner. It's it I I have to get that out of my head because I'm I'm doing it now. I'm making these changes now I'm trying to encourage my friends and family to do the same and yeah we'll we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah yeah that that actually is a symptom that a lot of people that's a comment a lot of people say when they go through this kind of awakening they say I wish I would have done this sooner and I always say well good thing you you started today you know and and everything and yeah you're doing it now yeah and everything is timing everything in life is a lot about timing and when you're ready uh and when you're you have the capacity for it um and you just yeah you you take it and you run with it and it's really really freeing. So yeah this is a great yeah yeah this was a great episode. Uh Danielle and I want to really end this with a thank you to all of our dedicated teachers out there that go to school every day and they teach our kids and they love on our kids and they care about our kids. And today we did talk a lot about school and maybe not so great things about school. Uh it's not that we don't like the school system. It's that we want to open up conversation. And I want to tell you yeah and I want to tell you I have my child has some of the best teachers I've ever known in my life and I don't know how they do it every day but every day I I thank God for them that they go and they love on our kids. So we do want to uh we do want to say thank you to you and we do agree that you all should be being paid way more than any celebrity out there. So we're gonna root for that we're gonna root for that that y'all get raises in the next five years because y'all really do deserve it. So yeah um again we want to hear from you uh comment below you can email us and we'd love to hear from you subscribe like some friends yep share we want to get the message out uh we do have some great episodes coming soon so stay tuned we are going to be talking about a lot of different things um and if there is something that you want to hear us talk about you we you have a guest that you want to maybe bring on the show let us know and we're here for it. Until next time yep until next time we'll see y'all bye bye