Dawn's Early Light Podcast Episode 10: Canadian Euthanasia, Iran, and Artemis ll

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

You're just a dog at heart. Oh. Fight me. Fight me. Yeah, welcome. Welcome. Monday. Monday afternoon on the live podcast. So everybody had a a happy Easter. Just getting done with this. Easter Monday today. Easter Monday, yeah. He's been risen for one day. He's risen. He's risen indeed. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. So uh Cooper was pretty busy with church, church activities. Yeah, very. Which is why we didn't have an episode out last week. And I was pretty busy at work too. So move this stuff out of the way. Oh, that's alright. But we're back. We're back at it now. Um we're also planning on tabling this week.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Yes. We were planning on tabling today, but we're in a winter weather advisory at the moment. So Nebraska back at it. Yeah. In the past few podcast episodes, we've been saying, like, oh man, the weather's been so good. You know, we've been able to, we're gonna get into tabling again, and then I'm like the day after, and then for the following week, it's like 40 degrees and cloudy and it's it's coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

We we promise just like every every time, yeah, literally. Our last episode on uh Christian Apologetics, which you should go and check it out. Um, we were outside and we're like, wow, it's beautiful. Now that the fake winter is finally done, and yeah, we were at a park. We were at a park and it was like 80 degrees outside. There's like old people playing tennis and like there's people jogging, just walking around. We were both in kids on a swing, uh sandals, yeah. We were just hanging out, and then the next couple days it's just gone crazy. So Wednesday's the day, we're hoping, or first, yeah, here in two days, hopefully. So that's the hope. Uh otherwise, yeah, we're back at it. Uh, I think this is episode 10. I believe this is episode 10. Double digits. Big 1-0. Um, yeah, we're gonna get into some little heavier topics, a little lighter topics. Uh the big one right now is Iran, I think. I would say that's like one of the major Yep, that's kind of the big thing that's still going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

I think we touched on it during episode seven or eight.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Well, so eight was our Iran episode, and we kind of said that we would come back and talk about it if things progressed. We mentioned it very briefly in episode nine because there was some stuff, but you know, it wasn't anything crazy. Uh, but now we have some more more intel. There's been some more uh developments kind of worldwide, and so if you haven't heard, Trump is now threatening what, 48 hours? Was that today or was that yesterday? I believe it was last night if I'm gonna. I want to say it was I think because I think it's tomorrow at some time. I don't remember exactly when, but I think tomorrow, if the strait isn't open back up, he's threatening military action. So we'll kind of see weapons there. I guess what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Uh I I believe, you know, I my thoughts are relatively positive about it. However, uh that's uh really only because uh at this point it is uh affecting America's interests as opposed to just Iranian people's interests. Um and it's affecting world trade. Um it's a very important strait in terms of trade and um gas prices have gone up probably about 40 cents uh ever since the strait's been closed. Um obviously I don't support like a you know like a quagmire of war that we've seen in Iraq um and like Syria and things like that on the war on terror, but um you know, if a country is blocking an international trade route um and we have uh help from other Gulf nations and things like that, I think that um going all out, uh, you know, I I think boots on the ground is probably a bit too much, but I feel like we've struck like just about everything that we can.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

And that's that's kind of where my my mind goes to too, is I really am against boots on the ground. I know we talked about this on episode eight and nine. But yeah, we've kind of bombed it all.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Um we've already Well I think there was this crazy Trump tweet where he like dropped an F-bomb and he said uh like Praise B a la or I I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

There's there's a Kelchi bet on it where it's like a 1% that he was gonna say like praise a la or something and it was like a 100x payout or something.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Which is like uh that's a crazy side side quest there, but yeah, it was something about like it's going to be like bridge and like dam day or whatever in in Iran um if they don't open the strait, so I guess we're gonna be we're gonna start to bomb infrastructure.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

And that's a that's a good there really are some times where this is kind of that that point we make about Trump where it's like there's some things that he just says and are just like ah like come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Whether you agree with everything or disagree with everything about his policies, like this is probably the funniest president of all time. Like he literally just said like praise be all awesome.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

His mannerisms, like I yeah, his I don't know, it's yeah, there's just always some new thing with this guy. It's great. It is really orange man. An orange man. Better better than uh a corpse in office, you know, just a you know, whatever that was.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

So I'm not gonna lie, I thought you were gonna like say like something with Obama.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

No, I was talking about Biden, where we're just like, you know, he's not even conscious half the time. So yeah, that was a tragedy.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Um but yeah, you know, Iran right now, um the the really great success that's come out of it is, or I guess uh setback and then success based off of the setback is that we we like two pilots went missing and we recovered them uh and they're safe, which is a really really both of them, which is huge. Yeah, which is really awesome. Um it's I feel like that's like a huge win that they get downed in Iran. Which is and we can just go get them. Like that shows just the the amount of strength that America has compared to Iran that's yeah, which kind of brings us up.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

We were talking to this a little bit beforehand, the the idea that people somehow believe that this is a losing lore for America or that we're gonna get, you know. I I'll never understand. There will be Iranians in New York City. Yeah, I know. I keep hearing this it's foretold that Iran is gonna overthrow America. It's like I I don't know what American military you guys are looking at, but that might even be a higher payout on Khalici than we need to go on Kalchi and putting bets on this. We need to all our money on red or something here. I don't know. That's more like all your money on green. Yeah, no kidding. Zero? Yeah, just throwing it away. Um and then I did see something also in the news. I don't know, uh I Trump just proposed like a$1.5 trillion uh I don't know if it was a military budget increase or if it was raising the military budget to$1.5 trillion. I'd have to look at it again, but I guess what are your thoughts on either raising or increasing the military budget?

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Um I think that you know the military budget is is already very large, but I think that um America is in the position right now with Trump that instead of it just getting wasted, it's actually being put to use, whether you agree with it or not. Um the budget's actually being put to use. So um I'm not necessarily totally opposed to it. I would probably lean more opposed than for, but like before I would probably be pretty totally against a military increase in budget, but now you know I've seen it, I've seen the military be used for things that I actually agree with, like freeing the Persian people from the IRGC and the Venezuelans from Maduro, um, you know, things like that. So I think, you know, I I'm still probably leaning towards opposing it, but um it's more nuanced than what it what my stance probably would have been if had you asked me two years ago.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

And I I'd agree with that. I'd say it's a more nuanced issue. I'd I'd lean probably a little closer to against it. I'd seems a little unnecessary, but I don't I don't know. I'd not a uh You don't know how yeah, I really don't. I'm not a military, yeah, I'm not sitting there with all the numbers out and and looking at all that uh that stuff. But I will say if it um you know solidifies our troops safety, if it improves our you know, outcome with losing aircraft, for example, I mean if you were to ask me, you know, if we have five planes that go in and there's a chance that one of them gets shot down, or we said in 50 and none of there's like a guarantee none of them get shot down. I mean, I think that's you know a net benefit in that regard. Um but yeah, I think that's it's nuance, and we'll kind of see what happens Tuesday night. See uh Yeah, stay tuned.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

If you if you watch this before Tuesday night, um it's gonna we'll see what happens. But I think that we are um I think that America's doing the right thing, and I I'm largely still in support of what's going on. Again, boots on the ground would be a different thing, but I think that's that's still where my stance lies.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

It's if you know if we keep drone strikes and you know, jets and that kind of thing in play, there's some sensibility there, but if we go to boots on the ground, that changes things, I feel like. It it really does. Um so I'll just stay tuned until tomorrow. Maybe it'll be an updated episode, or we can talk about a tabling or something like that. So kind of see where that goes into.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah. I uh you know, I think that and maybe maybe this is one of the last things we talk about Iran uh with until something else major happens. But the overall uh effectiveness that's been shown kind of gives me a lot of faith in uh any other like military operations that might get carried out in the next you know two and a half years. Um just because what we've completely dominated them. It's not even really close. Um they've killed, I think, I think we've we've lost 13. And by their like most conservative, like the like the Iranian government's like death toll of like how many, you know, soldiers and or government officials that we've killed, it's like in the thousands. So like the kill rate is like, I believe it was like one to like 110 or something like that. And that's a complete annihilation militarily.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

And I know people have been trying to compare it to like the Vietnam War, and I would just say look back at history and look at how just tragic a lot of the like the Vietnam War were and like these other battles that we our government didn't necessarily put us into but kind of went into with, I don't think, a great battle plan, and then you look at Venezuela, now you look at Iran, and I think Trump's doing an incredible job. So yeah, I think it's this is a a little refresher, but again, like stay tuned. Vietnam had a draft.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Like if if if the Iran con if this Iran con Iran conflict, that was really weird to say for some reason, had a draft and they were just like throwing people onto some loose front line where you're getting a boat, you're going. Yeah, just go up the river and see what happens. Here's a here's a rifle and yeah, you know, just just patrol and you know, see what's going on. Uh that would be a uh total disaster, but right now it's strategic military action taken from thousands of feet up in the in the sky as opposed to people marching through the desert.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

So I I think it's nothing but good right now. Uh yeah, so we'll kind of see what happens tomorrow. Uh onto our other, so we have two more today on to our second one. We went to ice a little bit. So we've talked about it brief I don't even say briefly. We've done a couple, it's been brought up in a couple episodes where we kind of go over ice and episode one of the podcast, I believe we talked about it. Was it one or two, I know like with Maddie. That's right, because and well, episode two, right? Uh two or three with the Minneapolis. We we delve into a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Uh, because that's when that was really big. A couple like a month or two ago, Minneapolis, the riots and everything was on everybody's radar, you know, uh good and pretty, you know, the two that were killing the protests, everybody, you know, freaking out about it. And now we've kind of I feel like the dust has settled a little bit more, and I don't know if the ice has thawed a little bit more. The ice has thought, that's a good one. I like it. But yeah, I don't know if the the hype is just gone, um if the Democrat Party is moving towards other issues to blow out of proportion, you know, that kind of thing. Maybe the protesting budget went away. I don't know, who knows? But it's it's really kind of disappeared. I haven't seen a lot of it on social media. We haven't had um like a a death, like a shooting from an ICE officer that I've seen lately. I don't know if you've seen one, but it seems for the most part that the death is pretty much settled, and I was just watching a video beforehand that's kind of breaking down some of the ICE arrests, and we're still doing eleven thousand ICE arrests a day, and that's 1100, I think. 1100, sorry, but yeah, 1100 ICE arrests a day, and I think that's incredible. So the protests didn't really seem to affect much, and I mean I think they're dying out for the most part.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Yeah, I think, you know, obviously we'll we'll see when the midterms come about, you know, what uh kind of the popularity of things. Um but I think that most Americans agree with what ICE is doing. Um maybe they don't necessarily agree with uh, oh, they're being mean. And you know, a lot, you know, I don't want to say this to to sound um, you know, kind of to m sound mean myself, but it's usually a lot of people who don't really understand how law enforcement works, saying those kinds of things. Uh like, oh, these people are being very mean about it. Well, it's law enforcement.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

And and we've we've seen this pattern. I mean, it stretches back from whenever I remember even hearing about politics. I mean, even having like family members who are in law enforcement, and you look back and you look at COVID, and you had you know the riots, like post-COVID riots and the George Floyd riots, and everybody across the country's freaking out. And when you really think about it, you have a country of like probably what, close to 400 million people now. I know it's like 300 million, and we're probably 300, 350 million people. I don't know what the I don't know what the total is. It's somewhere around there, but you have hundreds of millions of people in this country, and what the media tends to do on both sides is they zoom in and they like say, look how evil law enforcement is, and it's like one shooting. And it's like out of 300 million people, and it's I don't understand how we we just like digress that far. Uh but yeah, it started with you know, even pre-COVID, you had Democrats trying to defund the police, and then COVID, post-COVID, the George Floyd riots, and now you have ICE, and it's just there's always like this anger against law enforcement that they're being mean, and yeah, I don't know. I don't under I don't understand it really. I mean that like you said, it's just law enforcement.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Try and be nice to a criminal. Yeah, you're gonna get your wallet taken.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

I don't know. I I'm pretty confident that if somebody broke into one of these protesters' houses, that they would want the police there, and they'd want the police to, you know, be aggressive with the person bringing to their house. So Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

If someone say someone was illegally uh occupying your home, and um you get home after work and there's just some guy in your bedroom, just like watching TV or whatever. He's like, I'm not gonna leave. So you call the cops and they get there and they're like, hey man, would you just please come out? You know, you'd be like, you'd be telling the cops, no, go get don't go bring him out in handcuffs, despite what he may want.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

No, but the but the cops are sitting there like, man, we don't want to be we we asked him nicely twice, and he said no. So I'm sorry, man, like we're talking to leave. Right. That's it. We asked him nicely. Uh we have our water guns on us, we could go, you know, square some water at him trying to get him to leave, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

It's just so uh someone steals your car, someone, you know, someone does something worse, you know, you want the cops to be fairly aggressive when with dealing with this individual if that's what it if that's what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Someone stole your car. We don't want it, we don't want to drive too fast, you know. We don't I don't know. It's a little scary.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

We don't really want to yeah, we don't really want to track it down just because that we that might put them off, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yeah, that might make people feel like the criminal here. Think about the criminal. So, yeah. Ice agents are uh sorry, ice protests are they're slowing down, really coming to an end, I'd say. I mean at least on a very large scale. On a large scale, yeah. I mean uh when you had the the good and pretty death, you had you know people in DC and Chicago and all marching and having these crazy protests. I mean, they're they're pretty much obsolete, I'd say. In those bigger areas, I'm sure they're still happening in Minneapolis and some of those other cities, but I'd say for the most part.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

I saw a group of um middle-aged white women do a uh uh a choreographed dance outside of Trump Tower. That's awesome. Uh in New York City. That'll show them. It was you know, I I don't get it. I don't what what does that accomplish?

SPEAKER_01 17:23

This this brings me, so you said middle-aged white women.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Yeah, they were like 50 years old.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

And it just charged my brain. Short haircuts. There was the No Kings protest, too, quite recently. And so we weren't able to go. I had some work stuff come up, and we were just busy. But I had to lead up into Holy Week, so they knew this time. They were trying to time it towards Easter. They're like, ah, the Christian Republicans are gonna be busy with their jobs and stuff, they're not gonna come. But anyways, I had a friend who went, he said there was like eight people there. There's like, I think the one in Omaha, or no, he went to the one in Papillion, and he was like, there's like eight old white women there. Oh man. So and I know when we went last year, that's just the clientele. Like elderly white women. Not elderly. I mean, some of them are elderly, but for anywhere from like, I'd say like 40s to like 60s, 70s, 70s.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah, like if you're if you're like yeah, 40 to 70 years old white woman from America, you are the type of person that goes to a No Kings protest more likely than not.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

While you're while your husband is probably working like a white collar, like office job, you know, it's nine to five, he gets home, oh he went to the protest, oh. So that's what he did today.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

That was today. Oh yeah. You know, yeah, if you ever go to one of these, uh you look around, obviously it's not a blanket statement, right? No, it's just plenty of different types of people there, but largely you'll see a a good number of that demographic of people.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Yeah. And I will say the one that we went to, I was surprised. This was pretty early on. Not that this isn't early on too, but this was like super early on in our like tabling and hanging out and like becoming friends. And I remember just the conversations that we had with like the people who wanted to talk to us were pretty genuine, besides the first one. Uh the first one we had was was those two guys. You remember that? That was pretty rough. Yeah, yeah, those they weren't very logically consistent, but they were when they when they left, we had a couple of conversations, especially at the very end, we had a good conversation with the woman and very genuine, like a good back and forth. And of course, you had the the you know stereotypical clientele yelling at us and saying, Oh, go away, and you know, whatever. But I I feel like that's kind of on there's people like that on both sides of the aisle, but then there's also the people who genuinely want a dialogue, and I think those people came and we had one. So I I will praise those people in that regard. Right. But yeah, I I heard this time around it it sounded like it's just kind of not what it was last year. Uh the Omaha one I think was quite a bit smaller too.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

So well, I think people are starting to just kind of realize that, you know, Trump is a duly elected president who's operating within the means of a president's within his powers. Constitutional rights.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

And I I mean, and that also kind of ties into they probably went last year and they're like, wow, that accomplished nothing. Like that was a waste of time. And then, you know, they uh you know to do it again this year is kind of redundant, like, oh that worked. Yeah, I don't I don't think I think they're seeing that there's just gonna be no progress with it.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Like it's just well it is i i it it's just an asinine thought. No kings. Last I checked, we do not have a king. Should be pretty good. I think we're in the clear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Yeah, and I mean look at Iran. Like they're just mowing people down the street. We're not doing that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Like, where are these people when it comes to protesting Maduro's regime? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Or or that was so evil of us to intervene with some other foreign country. Uh you know, the the contradictions they go for miles, and we can dive into that for hours. But I mean, I think the the main point of it is just that I think people are trying to realize like maybe we don't have a king, like it just is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's kind of goofy. Um I mean if you if you believe that uh Trump is a king or is operating like a king, please comment uh the reason as sorry, there's this hair floating right in my face. Um please comment the reason as to why you believe so, and uh one of us will uh hopefully um see that comment and we can maybe talk in the comments and yeah, I've had the pleasure of actually replying to a few comments and having a little bit of a back and forth, and I'm I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Uh I think it's a lot of fun. Just to, you know, have that interaction. Yeah. Um even though I am I always preach about being against being a keyboard warrior, but I always think that you can be pretty civil in like a we can call that not a group chat, but like a a text thread. Forum, yeah, like a forum. You can be pretty respectful as long as things don't get too out of hand. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Another thing that I wanted to touch on that we didn't talk about before this, but I just thought of it again was uh the euthanasia in Canada.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

I did. Okay, so this is this is a good one. Sorry, I'm getting some more water. My throat is really dry today. I thought I like really excited episode. Yeah, you just got me except so well this is exciting because what was episode four or five or whatever it was. I think it was episode three. Three is all that can be- Yeah, one of the earlier ones was all about Canada. We got one like really nasty comment, and that's the it's funny because right now, like a lot of the people that are like leaving like a thumbs up is like people that we know, and then people that are just watching it come from the outside might not leave a like or whatever. But that was like one of the only episodes that has like a bunch of dislikes, and they're like, you don't know a thing about Canada, and then this euthanasia thing comes out. Have you seen the commercial? Yes. So they they came out with this commercial, it's horrifying. It is horrific. Uh I'll because you brought it up, I'll go into it, but.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, I mean, so basically, if you don't know, Canada, the government of Canada, has uh legalized um euthanasia for people. So if you want to kill yourself, you can do so at like a hospital or whatever, or I don't even know where it would be, like some sort of government facility. I don't know. Just a uh parking lot.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Well it's like it's like it's like uh uh if anybody's ever seen Futurama, there's the suicide pods that you can just go into and kill yourself. It reminds me of like the the giver in a way. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

I haven't read that book in a long time, but it kind of like Is that the one with the picture of the old man on the I've always seen that, but I've never read it. I had to read it in middle school. It's a pretty good book, but I don't know why, I just get like flashbacks to the giver, or yeah, but very sad.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

It's a very sad movie.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

And there's a movie too now, it's actually a pretty good movie, but yeah, it is it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

But Canada has begun to run commercials for this legalized, like taxpayer-funded suicide uh stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

They're actually like there is it's not funny, but it's kind of funny because the the commercials resemble like like an allergy medicine ad, you know. It's like a family like frolicking around, but it's like about killing yourself, and it's like insane. Like that is an insane function.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

It's literally one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. Just because of like the implication. I had a little live leak phase, okay, where I would like I would watch these shock videos and it was t it was terrible, it was horrible for my health. But I stopped after a short time uh after I started. But um, man, that seeing like a a commercial run by the government of a country targeted to its constituents saying that you know, if you don't want to live anymore, we'll kill you for free.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

And to see people defending, and so I'll give you a couple I I think I remember like one or two of the rebuttals that I saw from Canadians, because I saw this all over Instagram for like a couple days, and there was Canadians in the comments. My one of them was like, oh, this is targeted towards like the elderly who get stuck in like a nursing home and they can just kill themselves. What do you think about that one?

SPEAKER_00 25:20

I think that's bull crap because it's being broadcasted on the television. Anyone who's watching a television can can see that ad. I'm sure you have to be like 18 plus or whatever in order to do it. But I wouldn't be shocked if they were like, well, if you have par parental permission, I'm sure you can.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Same thing as like a gender-affirming care, where they're like, oh, your parents said so, yep, you're there goes you. Because like, where do you draw the line on that kind of stuff? Like And that's the thing, is that's such a gray area. And so there was that one, and then the one like, oh, what about people with like mental disorders or you know, they have people with depression who are are susceptible to feeling very sad and they're even thinking like Down syndrome, like, oh, this person has and that gets into like what the Nazis believed. Like eugenics. Eugenics, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

So that's it. Or there's a thing that Denmark actively does. Yes. They abort Down syndrome babies, if you didn't know that. Um that's a big one too.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

People always say whenever you talk about a place with free health care, they always go to Denmark and they're like, oh, it's a paradise over there. It's like they're murdering like Down syndrome people.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

I don't know if you've met like a Down syndrome person, but they are some of the happiest people.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yeah, I went to the Night to Shine, the Tebo thing. There was plenty of people with Down syndrome. I was a buddy to a woman who had Down syndrome, and I had the time of my life, and she had the time of her life because we were just having fun dancing on the dance floor, and she had her boyfriend there who also has Down syndrome, and it was just like the purest, like innocent expression of like joy and that I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Like a genuine like child, like an eight-year-old's joy, like an 18-year-old, and they're just like happy to be. Well, this woman was like 50. Yes. Like exactly, and they're just happy, like all the time. Uh Shane Gillis, he's a good comedian. He does a lot of bits on it. A great champion. He really is for successful people with Down syndrome. They made he made it. But he he does like a whole spiel on it. And I but he does like a big part where he's like, if you so like people get like they're like afraid to be around Down syndrome people, and it's like you just haven't been around one. He's just like full of life. You just you're afraid of what you don't know. Yeah, and and we where I work, we interact with a lot of people like that a lot of the time too, and yeah, they're just they're friendly. Like they're just fun to be around.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

I have a friend who works in Lincoln with um uh people with disabilities, and there's people with Down syndrome there, and he absolutely loves it because he'll tell me stories of like of them, you know, interacting with one another, and it's just like it's some of the like it just brings a smile to my face. Like, you know, it's just such a people with Down syndrome are such a blessing.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Which is why this is such like a serious thing, genuinely. And I I almost put this like a slight step above abortion, because this is like like the Denmark thing, that's you know, killing people like for a specific reason, and then you get to Canada, and that's like that's a whole different different ballgame. Because now you're not just paying for you're not you're not trying to dehumanize like the zygotes or the fetus, you know, you're not using dehumanizing language before it's even born. You're like, oh, you're born now, but your life is terrible, kill yourself. Like that's literally what they're saying. This is the you know, KY.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Which is one of the greatest uh arguments that people have for abortion is well their life sucks. Well, they'll might suck. So we should just kill them now so they don't have to have any sort of hardship in the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

And so now we're which is a totally insane thing to say. And so now we're digressing to the point where it's like, yeah, now we're just gonna kill people. 18, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Could you imagine I mean, could you could you imagine? Like say that that you have to be 18 or older to do this, and your son who's or daughter who's 17 says, when I turn 18, I'm gonna go kill myself. And you can't do anything about it as a parent. You just have to sit there and try and convince them. That's their right. Not yeah, it's their it's their right. Right? And uh and you know, people can people have killed themselves for millennia, but to for it to be a sponsored and encouraged thing in a really like dark and twisted way, like if you're the parent of that child, your tax money is paying for the government to kill your child. Every time you go to work, a portion of your money is being put towards those ads that are being watched by your 17 or 18-year-old daughter, who is then when they turn 18, going to go kill themselves because now that they're the the legal age to do so, they don't have any they're like, yeah, my life's kind of mid. Yeah, I'm just gonna go. I hate it. I'm just gonna end it. Full sense, yeah. And because I've seen, you know, the government says that it's fine. So and the law is a moral compass.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

So I know Cooper at one point. You were 17, 18 at one point, believe it or not, I was 17 or 18. I'm sure most other people watching our sort of content would be seven have been 17 or 18 at one point in time, and I was a rebellious 16-year-old. I did some stupid stuff at 17 and 18. I mean, how easy would it be for someone a little more rebellious than me to just be like, I hate my life. I'm 18 now. And kill myself. Like, that's tragic.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

I'm gonna show up to a facility, they're gonna stick a needle in my arm, and I'll go to sleep and I'll never wake up.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

And the fact that they're advertising that on television is just like evil.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

And it's like a serious ad too. I I just yeah, I I'm glad you brought that up because I'd seen that the other day and I was like, please watch the ad if you haven't, because it is literally jaw-dropping.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

It's it's crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

And if if you have like some are you or you think it's morally acceptable, I mean leave a comment because I'd love to I'd love to hear some more arguments. Like I gave a couple, I just I don't think they stand at all. I don't think there's any justification for killing killing oneself. Just killing yourself, yeah. Like I don't understand. Um and we this actually brings up a a good topic. We've talked to a lot of people tabling. There's one guy, I can't think of his name. He talked to you one time, but he was homeless at one point.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Oh, yes. Um He wrote a book very a very uh interesting subject, but I'll go that. I I can see his face. Oh, what's his name? Um because it's not Kyle. Kyle's the other guy. Kyle's the other dude.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah. Um, I can't remember his name. But we'll probably see him again, to be honest. Once we start tabling again. Very genuinely nice guy, but yeah, he was he was homeless at one point and he got his life together and came out of it. I'm not saying it was easy, but that's one of those things that's like that's a a person anything worth doing isn't easy. Exactly. And that's a person who had the capability to do it, had the potential to do it, and later down the line was able to, you know, talk to us and were able to plant the seed in his life, um, you know, the of like the gospel, and maybe that he'll hear the gospel through us, he could have easily ended that by just going to the government and killing himself. So I mean that's one of those things that that's it's like the easy way out, in a way, and it's advertised, it's just so messed up on so many levels. It's harder just it's hard to put into words just how I think his name is either Michael or David. It's not David. Okay, it's Michael. Might be Michael, I don't know. Yeah, like very nice guy, and he recovered himself and he was able to do it. Yeah. But if you're offered the opportunity, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Well think of just how many families that's just going to leave devastated. You know. I mean uh people uh, you know, people have there's been suicide throughout history in in many, many cultures, almost every culture, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

It's one of the biggest killers of men in our country. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

There's a huge percentage. And could you imagine advertise people like you watch TV and you see a commercial for a freaking uh chia pet, and then the next commercial is state-sanctioned suicide. I mean, just think of that world. That's what Canadians are living through.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Or you or you get the back-to-back where it's like that commercial, and then the next one's like a suicide hotline. You know, like that like oh the irony, like how we've we've digressed as a society to the point where I wonder if Canada has a national suicide. I I do wonder about that too now. Because if they do For the government to advertise suicide, yeah, uh that's a whole nother can of worms.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

And I think that's like a that's almost like a fault. It makes me sick. It does, and it's like a fault of our society that this has now been justified. And that's our neighbor. That's our that's our evil top hat. That's the evil top hat of our.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Yeah, America's evil top hat.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Yeah, and uh how easy would that be to trickle down or trickle up in a way? I mean, there's who's to say there's people from the the states that wouldn't go up there and kill them. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Mind-boggling. And so just it's a terrible pray for Canada.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Yeah, I mean, and I you know, Caleb and I are Christian. If you're not Christian, you know, that that's that's your own prerogative. Obviously, we hope you come to Christ. But I think we all have this innate um thing inside of us that tells us that human life is sacred and it deserves uh protection and it deserves sacrificing things for, even just to save one life. And I would say that's b you know because we're made in the image of God. But um that that just is a complete and utter 180 from that feeling, in that, in that, you know, that s that soul inside of us that says that human life is sacred and just you know it's evil. And I think that the demons are celebrating the fact that there is state-sanctioned suicide in Canada.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Well, I mean, I mean, think about it. I mean, God is the giver of life, and the Bible's very clear that life is important and life is sacred, and it's a you know, it's a blessing. And all throughout history, the people that hate God are the people that are partaking in child sacrifice and all these horrendous things, cannibalism, whatever, sort of killing killing each other. It's just another form of that. It's a modern day sacrifice, in a way.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

I mean sacrificing your own, like saying that my life isn't worth anything, even though God says that it is worth something, which is why He created you, it's why you're here, is because God says that there's something that you know that you need to accomplish while you're here on earth, He has a plan for you. Um But to say that you know better than God and to say that um no, actually I think my life is meaningless, is not only um you're not only wrong, but you're also uh you're also defying God. And you know that there's there's layers to that. But it's a it's a very, very sad thing to see a government be like, yeah, no, it's just go ahead and kill yourself.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

It's it's it's still crazy to me that it's like you said, it's just broadcast. It's that's an advertisement. Yeah. It's not like a yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

It's not like you have to go through like a whole bunch of like subsections on Canada.gov.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

No, this is like you're you're watching the the Canadian hockey game and then the commercial break is a suicide commercial about why you should kill yourself because your life is meaningless. Like okay. Ooh, that was heavy. Alright, back to the game.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

Yeah, and then imagine bringing kids up in that world where they just see that those commercials and they're like, oh, suicide's no big deal. If I'm feeling sad one day, like, oh, my girlfriend cheated on me, or oh, I got into a bunch of trouble.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Got fired or whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

I guess suicide's not that bad. I guess I'll just kill myself. You know, completely like justified by the government.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Right. I used air quotes out there.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

And the government's saying, oh, it's okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

You know, we'll do it for you. It's almost like they're saying you are the you are a burden. You are the burden you think you are. Like that's a little concerning. I don't know, that's just it's mind-blowing. It's terrible. And and from my perspective, you know, I'm 21, my sister is 10 years, 10 and a half years younger than me, so she's 10 right now. Like that is a completely different world for her to be brought up into. So like I've made it past my rebellion, and you know, thinking, oh, I just I'd be better if I wasn't here, right, mom and dad? Like this, like, you know, every teenager struggles with some sort of rebellion and that, you know, puberty and whatnot. But then to have her brought up and if she, you know, if that was the environment that she was brought up in, oh, it's okay for me to just end it now. It's my life is terrible, puberty sucks, high school sucks, my parents suck, like I'm just gonna kill myself. Like that is just insane. And and you don't think about the effects too. You know, we're obviously talking it's illegal at 18, you know, we're assuming that you have to be a legal adult, but I'm assuming that's the case. Yeah, but then think if you're 15, 14, and you see this commercial, and then for the next three years, you're having hardships, you know, puberty, or going through like all these weird changes in your life in high school. Bullying, bullying, sports, like all this weird stuff, and you're like, I just want to kill myself, I just want to kill myself. And you think that way for three or four years, like that is also gonna be incredibly detrimental. So I just that just seems like a net negative in like every category possible to me, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

And I I, you know, I work at a church, and the worst part of my job has been doing funerals for suicide uh victims. And it is like the literally the worst thing ever is to go to I mean, it is like the family is just a complete wreck because it's like four days after this person just committed suicide. I've I've I've had the displeasure of doing two suicide funerals, um, both of them young people. And yeah, it's just it's it's literally the worst, man. Like, suicide's never the answer. If, you know, if you're if you've ever considered suicide, please don't do it. Um do literally anything other than that. Because I know it might benefit you in the moment, but it's going to completely just uh tear your your those that actually care about you apart. Um don't do it. It's it's literally it's it it just completely shakes and and destroys people's worlds. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

And also I had an I had an old friend whose his brother committed suicide. It tore him apart, like it ruined his life completely. Like he had a completely different person now. So yeah, I mean, this is a it's a very serious issue, and it's somebody and uniquely evil to advertise suicide. Yeah, and and this was cooked up by some government officials in some government building in Canada that said this is a good idea. So that's that should be telling you know all those all those cam Canada defenders in episode three. I mean let's uh let's bring it, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

I would I would love to talk to somebody about this that is on the opposite side of the aisle. I I would too. I this would be a good idea. I literally cannot fathom any talking point. It's people's right, it's people's right to. No, it's not. It's not. It's not your right to take take your own life. It's it's not.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

No. It's just not. Yeah, that'd be a good podcast episode if there's any defenders out there. We have Zoom, so I mean we're pretty willing to debate just about anybody. But yeah, that's I'm glad you brought that one up. That's a really good subject.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

Well, we can maybe move on to like the lighthearted topic now.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

That's the lighthearted one. Yeah, the we we we talked about a little bit, so let's do it. Hold on. Let me let me get some more water here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Yeah, we am excited. The thing that we're gonna talk about here is Artemis 2, which is um the at the the time of recording here, they are just about to go around the moon. Um, I was watching the live stream as uh I was making my way over here um to film, which let's let me go in here. Yeah, they are um they they're currently um about to go around the moon. Um according to uh Kevin's roommate's here. I didn't realize he was coming home this early.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

What up?

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Are you good, brothers?

SPEAKER_01 41:57

I didn't think they were coming home this early. No, you're good. No, we just had a very fast time.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

We're recording right now. Yeah, we can just cut this part. Yeah, we'll cut this in editing. Or maybe not, I don't know. Yeah, we'll just include that in there. Um But as of right now, they are currently about to make their way around the moon. Allegedly. Well, see, see, I am a firm believer that um, you know, these astronauts went up to that tower, and there's there's a live stream of this. They entered the space capsule, they sat down in their seats, strapped themselves in, and then they closed the door. This is over the course of like a number of hours, obviously, because there's I'm sure there's a lot that goes into launching a rocket in space. But um they close the door and they send the rocket up, and you know, everybody watched the rocket just disappear into the sky. Um you know, I I'll Caleb, what is your on this?

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Because I don't think me and Cooper have ever really gotten the oh wow. How much time do we have? Okay, so we've never really had like the the chance to really go like fisticuffs is the wrong word, but to like really hear like my full argument. So I'll give you like the full the full scale. Because I don't like being being looped in a certain category, so we'll I'll go into that. Sure. So I'm about 75-25, like 75% denier, 25% probably happened. I'll kind of give you the reason why. There's there's a lot of stuff that I see that I'm or just to just to clarify real quick. Of the Artemis mission that's going on right now, we've been to the moon. We've land people, we've landed people on the moon. I'm not a moon denier. I don't think the moon is like flat or thick or whatever. And I believe that we're literally see it. Yes. Like it's there. And I believe that we've sent like robots, rovers to the moon. Blanket statement right there, because there's a lot of crazy people out there who are like the the moon's a spaceship, and you just go it's like, okay, hold on. Then why was it written about in ancient Samaria and like why was what the moon? It's there.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Why would people Have you know moon gods and these things like that? I know, as if the moon didn't exist.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

That's always the hard thing about having any sort of conversation like this, is there's certain people out there, and Cooper isn't one of these people, but there are people out there. Like, I've had to try had I've had to like pull myself away from like any sort of this debate with a lot of people because they just go to instantly like, oh, so you believe in the flat earth and you you believe that there's monkeys on the moon? It's like, what are you talking about? Like, hold on. And so I just believe, purely due to like government tensions at the time of the Apollo missions, that it was a political stunt. And that that's kind of the main gist of it. And I don't know, because I just have problems with like the technology, and there's there's a lot of things we can go into there. And so I don't know if and there's also the chance that maybe now we have the technology to do it, but it was more than I just see it as a political stunt. And there's like even right, you know, Riker, he believed that all the videos were fake. And it's like there are just videos that are like blatantly like that just is fake. And so you just and and there's there's people that admit in my opinion, I disagree. Well, there there's NASA officials that admit they're like, yeah, we had to some of those videos are like re like what they say. They didn't say reenactments, but they're like reenactments because they like didn't have like the right cameras or whatever. They're like, this is what it would have looked like. And there's, I mean, there's people on the the moon landing side that agree with that, there's people that don't. And so my thing is like I'm just very skeptic. I I don't because it feels like every time there's government tension, they there's some like enormous win or some enormous loss. It's the same thing with like COVID, 9-11, and those aren't like one-for-one comparisons, but it's like you look at like oh we we need to control our population. Oh, there's a giant virus that appeared out of nowhere, and now everybody has to stay home and wear masks, and we're gonna deploy the National Guard to keep people in their homes. It's like that kind of thing. So that is my outlook, is it was a political stunt.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

What do you think about Artemis 2 though? Like, do you think that those astronauts are currently about to go around the moon?

SPEAKER_01 45:56

I don't know. So that's my thing is I'm just I'm a skeptic. So I don't know if they are or not. I want to see them actually land on the moon, and that's kind of what I'm waiting for. I know their excuse is that they destroyed the technology and they had to remake it, which actually makes sense from some of the videos I've seen. The idea that like they have to, you know, this was like if you believe in the moon landing, this was on a like a whim in air quotes, where they were like, you know, trying to race with the Soviet Union, so a lot of this technology was like quote unquote thrown together, and you know, once it was over, they're like, alright, we can breathe now, like abandon, we don't really care anymore. So now we have to bring it back and ease into it, if that's right. Words like right now they're going around the moon, and I think they have a plan to land on the moon. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 46:40

Well, yeah, so Artemis is like a it's so it's it's laid out in a series. So Artemis one was like an unmanned flight that tested the rocket that they are in now, like the same model of rocket. Now this is a manned flight to go just go around the moon to see, and they're gonna do science experiments on the way and everything, and like map the moon a bit more accurately. But um this is to see if a manned flight is you know, if like a pilot is able to, you know, to do what what's needed to be done in order to get to the moon. Um right now they're at the moon, they're not on the moon, they're like 4,000 miles above it or whatever or in its orbit, um, going around it, and then they're gonna come back home. But um if this is as a if if this is a success, Artemis III, I believe, is going to have a lunar module, which is going to land on the moon. I could be wrong, it might be Artemis IV, but so they're planning on it. Yeah, yeah. They're planning on Artemis, they're on building a base.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

Yeah, that's the ultimate goal. They're going to the dark side of the moon, or see if they were gonna go around.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

This one is the one that they're just going around to the dark side of the moon so that they can map it a little bit more accurately, because most of the missions around the back side of the moon haven't had people on it. Um the last one was Apollo 13, I believe, which was in the 70s. So um But yes, so one of the Artemis missions that's going to happen in the next few years, they're going to land on the moon and see what uh like the um viability of like a base would be.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

Yeah, so that's that's my thing is I think unfortunately, unless I ever go to the moon, like I'm just always gonna be a skeptic of like, I don't know, is this could be real, could be not. Would you go if you had a lot of things? I would, I would. If I got the ability to, I would. And and the genuine thing is like I I hate having this debate with people because it's like really like service level, I don't care that much. Like, I really don't care. The only thing that it would ever affect is like, oh, there's some like you know back and forth, like, oh, the Vietnam War like the Gulf War, like this war was terrible, we're just gonna like, oh yeah, we launched, you know, like it really doesn't matter that much. But people just get really worked up over it, which is why I'm not a huge fan of debating it all the time. But that's kind of my blanket statement, is like I'm just skeptical of the political climate at the time that like the Apollo missions took place. Now that we're here with Elon, and obviously, I mean he's made$500 million or billion dollars off almost a trillion dollars off of rockets and stuff like that. I mean, there has to be some legitimacy to something. And like I said, I believe that we've sent things to the moon. And another thing is then I will I've debated flat earth people who believe the moon landing didn't happen, but also that they're this flat. And so my issue with that is all the diagrams that I've been shown have like, so I don't know, you've seen them. Flat Earth with a dome, like the level, and then but they have the earth and the sun like inside spinning around. It's like you could still go to the moon then. If if you think it was in the dome, you would still be able to go to the moon. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? So you've seen like the flat earth model with the the dome. Yeah, it's like a flat kind of like saucer. Flat Earth. And there's uh and then they have like the sun and the moon like in it spinning. I haven't seen that. Okay, maybe you maybe it'll look at but it's like that also doesn't make sense because it's like the moon is still there, like it's reachable.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

But also you can just like take a telescope and look at any of the any of the other planetary bodies in our solar system. And you can see that they're round. Why would Earth be any different?

SPEAKER_01 50:08

I know, and so that confuses me. And so I don't like being loot in that group either. So it's one of the things that's. I I know you're not a flat Earther. I know that you're a skeptic of the moon landing. Yes, the first moon landing I'm very skeptical of. I am a firm believer that. And that is okay. And uh my thing is like if we came out one day with like irrefutable evidence, my 25% would be like someone just like Instagram live themselves. Or like I just like, or they're like, oh, you want to go to the moon? Yeah, sure. And then I go and I'm like, oh yeah, here it is. I'm on the moon. Yeah, okay. Like, okay. But then also if there was like some person came out with irrefutable proof that it was fake, I'd be like, yeah, makes sense. Well, yeah, obviously. I can see both sides, and I just don't understand why that is such a crazy concept for some people, but there it is. There, there it's laid out. It's like I just I'm skeptical.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

For me, there's plenty of evidence that you know I I can because for me, and for you know, historians, history is probability and it's evidence versus non-evidence. And we have plenty of evidence. I mean, we literally have moon rocks that you can't find here on Earth anywhere. You know, and they're in museums. Well you can find them in the museum. Well, yeah, but like the rocks from the moon. And then we also have like videos from like all of the missions of people on the moon, and then like people flying there with like zero gravity floating and like doing flips. It's like, you know, that's that's plenty, that's plenty of evidence for me. For some people, it's it's not enough, but for me it's it's plenty.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

There you go. So there's the the moon landing conspiracy. There we go. Um yeah. I think that's about it for me. If there's anything else, uh trying to think. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Uh I don't I think Artemis 2 is probably one of the coolest things I've ever witnessed in in my life. It's just like, you know, we're sending people up to the moon again. To go around to go around it. Um because right now I was literally watching it while I was listening to it. And the live stream is a lot of like dead air because obviously it takes like five days to get to the moon. So like there's not really all that much you can talk about. But now that they're getting closer, mission control has kind of like come in and they're kind of explaining you know the processes of what's going on and everything. And um you can hear like the crew and everything talking about what they're seeing, and um like they're they're in the moon has no atmosphere, right? So there's a bunch of like asteroids that have hit it even since that we've had a manned flight there. So they're finding like new craters and everything, and it's kind of a cool thing. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

So we'll keep the Iran War updated, keep the moon updated. The moon. Maybe some Canada stuff, we'll see what other crazy things they come up with. You know, yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 52:50

I never would have thought that there would be a commercial for suicide in real life. I I never thought I'd see that.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

But maybe next week they'll be shooting people with trebuchets into the ocean or something. I don't know. I mean, really anything is like feasible now, so who knows? Like, we'll see what the I don't know. Maybe the next prime minister will be a moose or something. It might be better than Trudeau, because at least a moose has no evil.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Yeah, there's not really driven by instinct and you know survival. So, yeah. Alright. Pack hat$30. Pack hat$30. My friend Wilson bought one. Shout out Wilson.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Um had a workfriend buy one, so shout out workfriend. I want to work friend. Use their name. But yeah, we've got a couple more donations that have come in and it's been good. So we're just gonna we're just gonna keep grinding. Like we said, we got tablings coming up. I'd like to do some more episodes with like Christian apologetics, maybe when like the political storm is a little lesser, kind of like what we had a couple weeks ago when we did our episode. We gotta do one on abortion too. We haven't done one on the case. I'd say now that we're getting into tabling, we could hit some of the heavier topics like abortion, second amendments, um kind of the classic political Yeah, now that we're back into the swing of things. So see you guys Wednesday, probably. I think we'll have the camera set up and yeah, things can be a good week. So thanks for joining us on this one. Awesome. Episode 10 in the books. In the books. Alright. Peace. Peace.