Dawn's Early Light Podcast Episode 18: The Second Ammendment

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SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome back to Dawn's Early Light Podcast, episode 18. I'm Cooper, I'm Caleb, and uh we are going to talk about guns, firearms, and not just these pythons that inside me. We're talking about firearms, rifles, shotguns, grenades, rocket propelled grenades, RPG for short.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Yeah. All the things that America has blessed us with as a nation. So we're on episode 18. Two away from 20, if you can do that quick math. Um we're excited, but I mean that's gonna be cool. 20 podcast episodes. The Don's Early Light Podcast can be drafted into war. Yeah. So true.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

So true. Is the Don Zero Light Podcast a boy or a girl? Non-binary. Too soon? Too soon. The Don Zero Light podcast is trans.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Oh, we need to deep dive into that on episode 19. Yes, alright. It's not it's not an adult yet in Nebraska, though. It's 19 in Nebraska. So yeah, we're gonna talk about guns as we get closer to tabling season, which August school starts back up. So we'll get on. It starts back up in about a month. Yeah, so we'll get on campus at UNO, maybe some other places. We got some ideas in mind. So that'll be coming up. Uh but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

We got this nice little laptop here in case you uh missed it. This is Caleb's laptop that he purchased a four-pack, and um we will be using it for notes and uh discussion topics, things like that. And uh yeah, we've got about 10 here that we're gonna touch on.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

So yeah, so up first we have, and I'll try not to look at this too much. That's gonna be like the the learning curve now, is like not just staring at this and staring back at the camera. Um before we start, go ahead. Pause. I want to make sure we're in frame. Oh yes. Yep, I'll edit this out. Frame check. Yeah, I'll edit this out. Are we in frame? We're in frame. Are we?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Yeah, pretty good. I'll zoom it in just in touch. Ow. Yeah, that'll be good. Good? All right. All right.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Back. All right, so point number one, why we have the Second Amendment, why is it important? Um and there's some points later on that are really gonna extend off of this, but I'd say most importantly, in my opinion, when it comes to the Second Amendment, is it does a really good job at protecting the other amendments. It gives, and that kind of ties into the point, um, one of the next points, um, why the second amendment is here. But I think that's really important is number one, it protects the other amendments from other people, from the government, which we'll tie into that a little bit more too. But I think that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Um I think most people's perception of the Second Amendment, Second Amendment, is that it's mostly for like hunting or target shooting. Just you can have guns. But when you dig into why the founding fathers put this into the Constitution, um, we'll get to that a little bit later. It it's to arm the citizenry. How did America start, right, with an armed citizenry? So the Founding Fathers very much understood the importance of being able to fight for your rights effectively. And being able to own firearms is uh a way to protect from tyranny.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

A population that can defend itself from a tyrannical government, from home invasion. There's a plethora of things that guns are useful for hunting. Like you said earlier, I mean that is still a use case for them. But yeah, when the Founding Fathers put this into place, it was to defend us from a tyrannical government.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

So And if you really, if you just you look back at the time how the American Revolution started, it was because people had guns and were able to defend themselves from the King of England.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Yeah, so now we can talk a little bit about kind of the actual restrictions that revolve around guns because I feel like a lot of people have this concept that you can just walk into like a Walgreens and purchase a firearm when I think that's I know that that's really not the case. There's you need permits.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Um there are restrictions in place on what types of people can get what types of guns, like felons, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Uh I believe they can only own like, I'm pretty sure what is it, like a like what do they call those? Muzzle loader? Like a muzzle loader weapons, I believe so.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Um but yeah, uh there are restrictions in place, and you need to, in order you can't not anybody can just go ahead and get an M240, right? There you need to pass tests, you need to submit paperwork, you need to have a fairly clean record in order to own these larger, more capable firearms.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, I just recently bought uh my second gun. It was a handgun. And I mean it is a process, you had to send uh stuff in here in Nebraska. I had to send it into the uh sheriff's office, they had to approve it. I'm sure they do background checks and everything there, and then I got paperwork from that, and then I had to the guy that I was buying it from, we had to sign documentation or you know, paperwork documentation that said it was okay, like that he was passing this ID'd gun to me. Like there's just there's levels and there's steps to it. It's not just you can walk into a gun store one day and say, I want that one, they just hand it to you, and then you're off. That's illegal. It's an unregistered firearm. Very illegal. So I think it's important that uh people talk about that more.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah, yeah. I I feel like there's a perception that Americans can, like you said, just walk into a Walgreens and buy a gun for $50, like you buy, you know, a box of cereal.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah, it's in your shopping cart with your like chicken and your dereal. Um, John, you're buying another gun today?

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Yeah, it's a little bit more complicated than that. But yeah, that kind of uh can segue us into the next topic of discussion, which is red flag laws. Uh Caleb, do you know much about red flag laws? I don't know much about red flag laws, which I'm I'm glad you brought it up. Yeah, so my understanding of red flag laws is that in some states, you can make a report to somebody and be like, I believe this person is mentally unstable or potentially dangerous with a firearm. And they can take that report and put a little red flag next to your name for when you go to buy firearms, and you can be denied uh firearm access because of reports. And this is I mean, you can obviously see how this can be very dangerous, um, especially for people abusing that system. Say somebody wants to do something bad to somebody, and they don't want them to have the ability to defend themselves effectively, they can make a false report on this person and be like, hey, this person was talking to me in confidence and said that they had murderous thoughts and intentions. Or they wanted to harm somebody else. Right, they wanted to go buy a gun and go ahead and shoot people. And they can do that so that they know that that person will not have a gun for when they aggress on them in whatever way they were going to.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

And I think that's a good point when it comes to any amendments is anything that encroaches on any of our amendments is kind of a touchy subject, and like it's kind of an issue, issue point. Like you like you said, you can false reports for the Second Amendment, but if we had something like that for freedom of speech, like you have freedom of speech, but if somebody says, Oh, you've been saying some bad things, and we're just gonna silence you, like you know what I mean. So any law that encroaches on those amendments, I think is kind of a dangerous game to play. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

Uh red flag laws are very controversial. Um, if you're into the gun community, gun tubers, things like that, there are there's you know, grand thumb and you know, donut operator, people like that. Um Brandon Herrero. Um but there are, yeah, they've all touched on red flag laws, I believe, and they're obviously very dangerous to people who there was a case, I believe there's a case of uh a woman who wanted to get a handgun to protect herself from like a crazy, I don't know if it was a stalker or an ex or something like that, but she had been reported for these red flag laws by this guy, and she was assaulted, and she was not able to defend herself with a firearm because she could not get a firearm.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Um which segue or gives us a segue. Wow. Into our next point, uh, which is the life-saving applications of firearms. Yeah. Especially when it comes to the elderly, the disabled, and women. Uh as Cooper put it before we started filming, the great equalizer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Guns are the great equalizer in any fight. I mean, you could have LeBron, like prime LeBron James or like Ray Lewis, right? Somebody who's just like six foot five, two hundred and fifty pounds, pure muscle. And that if that person wanted to attack really anybody in society, but say, you know, a five foot two, ninety-pound woman who, let's be realistic here, has zero chance at physically defending herself if things ever got to that point.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

So if you have a bloodthirsty LeBron James, I mean, what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 10:14

I probably couldn't do anything, right? Um, but now you put a gun into that equation, with the squeeze of your finger, you can completely stop that person from living, or you can really seriously injure that person and stop them from attacking you.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

And that also applies in a group setting. If you're getting jumped by four people and you've got a gun, I mean, they don't want to get shot. You know what I mean? And four trigger pulls, and you can't.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Well, and most of the time, even the sight of a gun will scare people off. Now, there are crazy people who will see a gun, not care, and still, you know, go do what they were intending to do. But guns being the great equalizer gives the elderly, the disabled, the uh the are women in society later chances at defending themselves.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

The single mother of three rapists, yeah, murderers, right? Yeah. If she has a gun, that is the difference between protecting her kids and not protecting her kids. I mean, that's a huge, huge issue. So which kind of ties into I'm gonna skip one point, sure, get into this one, um, which is criminals don't follow gun laws. And that's always my favorite debate topic to bring up because when people say, Oh, why don't we just get rid of all the guns? We just collect them and ship them off.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yeah, that program.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah, there's a there's a comedian that that does a bid on it, and he's like getting like really heated about it. He's like, why don't we just take all the guns away from people? And somebody's like, dude, the criminals don't care.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Yeah, why don't we just buy all the crack off of everything?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Yeah, I was just sure that'll go. Just make drugs illegal and it stops, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Yeah, no, making something illegal does not get rid of it. It just makes it out of there are no there are now no restrictions to get these things safely or through proper channels. Um and drugs, obviously, there are no actual benefits to smoking crack, right? It's all your own personal filling your you know cardinal desires. But um guns have a practical use in society, and like we discussed before, saving people's lives from attacks, being the great equalizer, protecting from tyranny, all these things. So when people mention we should just do a gun buyback program, uh the idea that that is similar to or that it's not similar to a crack buyback program is not true because crack has no practical applications in society, whereas a gun does.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

And I'm pretty sure they tried this somewhere where there was a lot of gang violence, and one of the gangs like actually gave up their guns and they just got like massacred. Yeah. I I can't remember what. I don't know if it was Chicago or something, but one of the games was like, yeah, we'll do this buyback program, but they just got wiped out. It was very interesting. But there's a there's a saying, and I can't remember where I heard it, but it goes something along the lines of uh like a locked door just keeps honest people honest, like good people honest. Um, because if a criminal wants to break through your front door, they're gonna find a way. So yeah. It goes that same thing with like, you know, a gun buyback is just gonna keep well, yeah, it it removes the legal channels in which to own these things and creates a black market, so it creates incentive for criminals to have and sell guns.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

And then by nature of that, these guns are more are more unsafe, they are unaccounted for, they're unregistered, and they're in the hands of people who have no problem committing crime. Which, I mean, you know, if we look at the majority of gun deaths in America, it is through gang violence, and it is through these people who do not have reverence for our laws.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Aaron Powell I want to say last year when I was looking at the statistics, I don't know if they've changed or if my memory serves me right, but I want to say it was 75% of gun deaths are gang related. And then there was another percentage that just made it so minuscule, like gun deaths that are outside of like gangs and tragedies. They account for the the vast majority of mass shootings as well. Vast majority of mass shootings. And a mass shooting, um, also my memory serves me correctly when I was looking this up, is a shooting in which four or more people are injured or killed. So, and an injury doesn't have to be like a bullet wound. It can be like somebody brought a gun to school and four people ran out of the building and they tripped and like scraped their knee, and they're like, mash, mass shooting, mash casualty. Like they four people were injured. So those stats can be like added to the stature. They're like, oh, there's a hundred mass shootings, but in three of them, somebody died. Like that, you know. So there's definitely some stat padding there, I think. And it's that's why I always like to look into the nitty-gritty of stuff like that, because that's important. Criminals don't follow laws.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

If we pass restrictive gun laws, it's not going to stop the guns from getting into the hands of people that are creating the problem in the first place.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Which brings us to the UK, where currently we're kind of seeing, you know, they have this gun ban, uh, but for one, criminals don't really seem to care about the gun ban. And two, they're just stabbing each other. Like the the no guns, okay, they're just gonna go to knives. Oh, yeah. No knives, or I'm gonna pick up this cinder block or this brick off the side of the road and throw it at this guy who's making me upset. People have found a way to kill each other since the beginning of time. Yeah, Cain and Abel who's a rock. Yeah. Oh, we're gonna ban rocks, you know. Can't do it. No more rocks. Nope, rocks need to go. Yeah, I do. I agree. Especially from uh all of these movies. Yeah, no kidding. What is it with this? What is it with the rock being in everything, man? Every single film. Andrew Pascal. Every new film. And it's like how much time?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Zendaya is in everything, I feel like. How much time?

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Tom Holland is in a lot of movies now. It's like, how much time do you guys have?

unknown 16:08

You know?

SPEAKER_00 16:09

The Odyssey that just came out. Matt Damon.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Matt Damon. Um but yeah, the UK is obviously uh struggling with crime at the moment. Uh it's very plain to anybody who's gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

I don't remember. I don't know if you know, I didn't look this up beforehand. Are there police officers allowed to carry guns? I think some are. Some are okay. I can't remember because that would be a big like power check.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Yeah, some carry only batons. And like tasers and tasers, very like non-lethal weapons. I know some are allowed to carry firearms, but I think that is reserved for like.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

I just envision like you're getting dispatched to like uh domestic violence or something as a police officer and you show up and you have like some pepper spray and a taser, and the guy has like an AK, and you're like, never mind. Sorry guys. I'm gonna bow out of this one. Call an MI6. Yeah. Can we get the US over here?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Um but yeah, UK is obviously struggling, and I think they're a good case study as to why restrictive gun laws will not necessarily lower crime.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

And so this is a point I actually didn't write on here, but I wanted to mention because I had a debate with somebody, I think it was David, on the Second Amendment when we first met him. Because that was one of our first uh tabling topics last year. The idea that, like, oh, we should just start restricting what guns people can own. You know, somebody shouldn't be allowed to own an RPG or a grenade launcher, you know, like the extremes, like nobody should just be allowed to own those. And then we get into the nitty-gritty of like kind of what the liberals were trying to do with the um, oh, we just no automatic guns. Oh, no semi-auto guns, oh, no handguns, you know, and they just keep dwindling and dwindling and dwindling until you don't have anything.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Yeah. Yeah. Uh you get you give an inch, they will take a mile. Yes. Um, I wonder if he's found that monarch that other monarchists have on campus. I do wonder about that sometimes. Yeah. Him and another person were monarchists, and I think they're meant for each other. I think that's destiny out there. Um anyway. Yeah, UK's obviously in a bad spot right now with crime, but uh the big one, one of the big reasons as to why I'm a big proponent of the Second Amendment is that it keeps our government checked. Uh an armed civilian population is a very difficult civilian population to mess with.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Control. And so one of the points that I've heard is that the the government has technology that's far superior to ours. The issue is if they drone strike, you know, or like they use some crazy airplane, they just kill everybody, then they don't have anybody to govern. Right. So it's it's different. Like if we have guns, then there has to be conflict.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

But soldiers would never do that anyway.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Exactly. There's n I guarantee you that I mean, probably some soldiers would, but like given a world where they're like the options are, you know, an armed population and they're like, well, we're either just gonna kill everybody, and then there's no population to govern, or we're just gonna have to let listen to the population, versus an unarmed population where it's like, you guys have to do what we tell you, or we're gonna like shoot the people that disobey, and then everybody else is gonna fall into line.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Keeping the government in check, keeping their power in check, is a lot easier when the people have guns. Again, great equalizer. Um you look at it, I mean, what's the first thing that dictators do when they rise to power is that they get rid of the guns in the hands of civilians. It is their first card that they play because without that being the first card that they play, they cannot make all of those sweeping changes uncontested like they were.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Which is the idea that the Second Amendment protects the other amendments, because with guns, you can say, if they say, Hey, we're gonna take lawyer freedom of speech and be like, no, I have a gun. Yeah. But if they're gonna if they say, hey, we're gonna take lawyer freedom of speech, and you go, I have my hands, they're gonna be like, we have a gun. It's like, oh.

unknown 20:15

No.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

All you. So yeah, that's good. That's a lot of uh socialists, and that's their their first card. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Yeah, I you I mean, Hitler did it, Mussolini did it, uh Joseph Stalin did it, I believe Pol Pot.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Um, dictators. Maduro. You almost have to to be a dictator. That's kind of like that is step one, yeah. Guevara. You frame that very well, yeah. So then our next kind of idea is we kind of went over this with the statistics a little bit, but the vast majority of Americans follow gun safety laws. Yep. Obviously, there's not shootings every single day. And I would argue, like, when people just walk like if you're just Outside of gang violence, you know. Outside of gang violence. But like if you're just walking around in Omaha, Nebraska, you're probably not worried about somebody just pulling a gun on you, but I guarantee you that there are people that have guns everywhere. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

You would be surprised how many people that you just walk past in a Walmart or um on the side of the street that have a gun in a holster that is hidden in their jeans or something. Um there I mean, there are countless people out there that are armed and trained and they follow gun safety laws.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Mm-hmm. And uh, it's kind of like, do you remember last year when on social media the airplane crashes was a big thing and everybody was freaking out? They're like, all these airplanes are crashing all of a sudden, and it was like four, and everybody and people are like, Well, this got blown out, like way out of proportion. I feel like it's the same thing with guns where you see the crazy videos on Instagram and Facebook, and you're like, Wow, this looks terrible, and it's like Eight times a year. We just really hone in on like these crazy things because they get clicks. Media, man. It's the media way. They get clicks. That's how people get into these rages and arguments. That's one video I saw on Facebook. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Disappointing that the media is like that, but that's what we're here to try and change, I suppose. Absolutely. Next one. Gun bans fail to stop violence. That again, we we sort of touched on it with the UK thing, but criminals, murderers, rapists, all of you know the worst of society are going to find a way to do the things that they want to do, regardless of the tools that they have at the ready. And even then, even if you ban guns, again, like we touched on earlier, that is not going to take them out of the criminal world. It's only going to take them out of the hands of law-abiding people.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

But even if in this perfect society we could get rid of every single gun, we just melt it down, whatever. If somebody has it in their heart of hearts that they want to harm somebody, they're going to find a way to do it. Whether that's with a rock, a knife, a gun, or a bomb. A glass shard, uh, whatever, they're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Yep. Yeah, if somebody that's the sad reality of the fallen world that we live in, but if somebody wants to sin in that way, they will, I mean, you know, there's nothing that's going to be able to stop them from attempting it.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Yeah. And then our next point, so this was a big debate, like a not an analogy, but like a rebuttal to the gun argument. Uh Charlie Kirk referenced it quite a bit, the that guns cause so many deaths, so we should ban it. We should ban guns, we should ban cars. Because there's far more vehicle deaths in America all over the world, really, than gun deaths.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Um, and that's goes back to the idea that liberty comes with a price, you know, with X amount of freedoms are gonna have X amount of consequences, in a way, consequences. Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

We value being able to drive 70 miles an hour on the highway or the interstate. And we're okay as a society, collectively, not everybody, obviously, but as a society, we are largely okay with being able to drive 70 miles per hour, but that means that when you choose to do that, you're taking on the risk of moving 70 miles an hour down the road in a two-ton metal cage. Yes. Right? So we as a society place value on that higher than the value of preventing the deaths that that causes. And while that is kind of a shocking thing to conceptualize when you think about it, it it's true, right? We all drive on the roads. And we don't make the max speed limit 15 miles an hour to keep everybody safe, right? If we did that, then we just might as well go back to you know, horse. Horse and buggy. Yeah. Um, when you have these liberties, you have to reconcile the consequences that can come with those liberties. And having roads that you can travel fast on means that more people are going to die because of the ability to travel fast.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

And this it's not even an analogy, but this idea can be applied to so many things. Oh, there's school shootings, so we just shouldn't have schools. Like it just sounds ridiculous when you apply it to just about anything else. Yep. Oh, I a gas station got shut up one time, no more gas stations. Like, liberty, no matter what liberty it is, comes at the price of accepting that there's a chance that something bad happens. Right. How it goes.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

And with guns, the liberty of owning a gun, the liberty of being able to protect yourself from dangerous people, dangerous governments, um being able to hunt, uh all of being able to just enjoy a gun, you know, go target shooting, things like that, comes with the price of knowing that people can legally access guns. And I don't see a big difference in being okay with all of I mean how many people die a year. Let's look this up. How many people die a year in vehicular? In vehicular. Oh, here we go. Let's look it up here. How many people oh no, it's touch screen. Oh. Mess it up. How many people a year in America die of car? Or how many car deaths a year in the United States? 36,640 people died in 2025 in motor vehicle crashes. Now let's change car deaths to gun deaths. How many gun deaths? 2024. What? 44,000. That looks about look, suicides. Oh yes, suicides. That that accounts for 27,000 of those. So gun homicides is 15,000. That's the number that's familiar with.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

So that's the statistic I remember reading is when you break it down, if you have 50,000 gun deaths, and two-thirds of them are suicides, and then of that one-third, 80% of those are gang violence, you get down to like you know, 200 a year or whatever. Yeah. That are outside of the car fatalities, I mean, I would argue for the most part, you're just driving down the road and somebody sideswipes you and you fly off a bridge at 80 miles an hour, like you're probably gonna die.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

So when you place the value on being able to travel across this country quickly, the way that we have it now, which is a pretty high value, you then are okay with the possibility of about 36,000 people a year dying across the United States due to car crashes. And we as a society have deemed that acceptable. And I agree with that. I think that that is totally fine. Um we, as a society, as Americans, place liberty very high on the list, higher than the value of protecting everybody's life as best as possible. I agree. Yeah. All right. Next one. Uh excuse me. The Second Amendment protects other rights. We already kind of touched on that. Yep. Um constitutional rights are not based on needs.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yeah, so I think that's kind of the idea that like it's not a constitutional right for food. If that makes sense, like you're not owed food. Like we have these rights in place to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, not just you're guaranteed an easy, an easy road. So I think the Second Amendment, maybe you'll never own a gun, maybe you don't want a gun, maybe you can never afford a game. And that's within your right, that's fine. But I think it shouldn't be based off of what we need. It should be based off of what protects us, gives us liberty. Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

The constitutional pursuit of happiness. The constitution is not a rule book on how to live, it is a framework in which a soci in which a society should be built, right? So you you can't look to the constitution for, oh, uh, I have the right to to food. I have the right to survive in, you know, in this comfortable way. It's a framework on which to build a functioning society.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Absolutely. Maybe that's a hard topic for some people. I feel like that'd be a big point of contention for a lot of people as a lot of people that believe they have a right to that kind of comes into libertarianism versus um more authoritarianism.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

You know, do you trust the government to take care of things for you, or do you want less government and you want to be able to take care of yourself? Absolutely. Yeah, I'm more on the take care of yourself thing. I'm under the impression that the government ruins just about anything it touches.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

I I I'm a big, small government guy. We've talked about that quite a bit, but yeah, I think that's that's important to just let the people live. Yep. Alright, uh, and then kind of our last one here. How do we prevent crime without guns, Caleb? And I think this really ties in more to like law enforcement. How do you prevent people that might have guns without guns? Um, I always think of uh what's that show on that? Peaky blinders. Like imagine Peaky Blinders, but like without guns. Like everybody just has knives, and it's like you just see this gang, like this mafia gang roll up, and you're like three police officers in a car, and you're like, we're just not gonna deal with that. We're just we're not gonna touch that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Yeah, if if uh we banned guns, then and obviously, right, police officers are not everywhere all the time. Most of the time, it's when these crimes are committed, it's just regular civilian people that were witnessing this, victims of this around it. Um and it's my belief that if everybody owned a gun, then crime would go way down. Oh, yeah. Because people would know that this person has a gun on their hip, and if I wanted to attack them in whatever way, then it's going to be a lot harder for me to accomplish that without losing my life.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Like just visualize a scene where there's like a you're trying to rob a bank and there's like four of you, and you walk into the bank, like, everybody just put your hands in the air, and there's like 30 people in there, they all turn around and pull out a gun. It's like, well. Now you're immediately outnumbered by just like the American population.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Or something maybe more common than a bank robbery, just like a gas station robbery. Yeah, three people in the gas station and the clerk or whatever. Someone comes in and pulls a gun. If three other people had a gun, and the clerk. Instantly outnumbered. Instantly that guy's outnumbered, right? So it's going to make it that would make crime significantly harder to commit in this country if the majority of people owned a gun.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Like if 95% of the people carried it. It would be a much safer gun. 80% of people. Yeah. Like eight in every ten people.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Well, now imagine if schools had like armed armed guards or the teachers were uh which obviously we need to background check teachers a lot more rigorously than we do now. Um in order to make accomplish that. But I mean, school shootings I feel like would plummet. Plummet. Yes. Obviously, there'd still be some psychos who don't care about their own life well-being and just want to go do it. But people would be much less incentivized to that as a a good target. Significantly easier to just get rid of that person if everybody was armed in the school building. I believe the vast majority of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Well think about like a concert where everybody's required to get searched and searched and metal detectors and everything, and then one person sneaks a gun and or yeah, what was that one? There's a guy on the rooftop who like shot into a concert and killed a bunch of people, like something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

If I mean put yourself in the shoes of a murderous psycho for a second and think Caleb doesn't have to do much. I don't know, that's like already there. But put yourself into those shoes and think, okay, if I want to do the most harm to the most people possible and not get hurt myself, where would I go? Probably somewhere where I know everybody doesn't have a gun. School. A school, a concert, a stadium, right? Um, any of these mass gatherings of people where guns are not allowed in.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Yeah. Nebraska Stadium.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah, I mean these big venues of people that everybody knows doesn't have a gun or ways to attack the shooter back are prime targets.

unknown 34:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

This will I I hope this comes up a couple times this year at Tablings to be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

It's a good one. I feel like this one was a lot more hot button before kind of 2016 with Trump and coming into everything where the media just demonizing him and everything all this political polarization.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Now that we're back to shooting Republicans, it's okay again for now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, guns are actually a good thing. Oh, we almost got Trump two or three times, you know. We like guns now. People are psychos, man. Psychos. Alright. Caleb, anything else? No, I think that's about it.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

It's good. Okay. Good little episode. Yeah. If you have any other points that you uh feel that we didn't cover, please comment. Uh we'll get back to you and hopefully we can have some sort of dialogue in the comments. Uh if you agree with us, feel free to also voice that as well. Yeah. Uh like it. Share it with your friends. Smash that subscribe button. Yeah. Shoot the subscribe button with your AR-15. Plus your handgun for the notification. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Um, but yeah. Swap to your secondary. Caleb, anything else? Oh, that should that should do it.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

Um we're excited for tabling. Yeah. Uh $30 gets you a stylish pack hat and Caleb and I is eternal goodwill. Yes. We'll uh we'll knight you.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

I won't. Virtually. All right, Caleb will night you. I'll knight you virtually, yeah. All right. That should do it. Thanks for watching. Thank you for watching.