This Episode Was 100% Made By Humans.

What happens when young East African creatives speak without a filter? In Episode 5 of ProcrastiNation, we sit down with Tanzanian filmmaker and Multichoice Talent Factory (MTF) alum Edgar Hudson for an unfiltered conversation about creativity, the internet and modern life in Tanzania.

We open with the return of the Popobawa myth and Tanzania's most viral internet moments, then get into why Edgar quit Instagram for Substack, whether organic podcast growth is even real and how social media rewired our attention. From there: Is AI good or bad for African creatives? We talk AI replacing jobs in film and photography, losing critical thinking to machines, and why "made by humans" might become cinema's biggest selling point. Plus boarding school as accidental socialism, wild nightlife confessions, the podcasts we can't stop listening to.

If you're a young creative in Tanzania, Kenya or anywhere in East Africa navigating filmmaking, podcasting, AI and adulthood, this one's for you.

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Keywords/tags: East African podcast, Tanzania podcast, African filmmakers, AI in Africa, AI in filmmaking, Popobawa, quitting Instagram, Substack, social media detox, Multichoice Talent Factory, African creatives, Swahili podcast, Gen Z East Africa, podcast recommendations, consistency

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SPEAKER_04 0:00

Make sure you pick the ones for dress like uh flatties and some type of way any company we are here to pass. If like you moved before, you would definitely just come with records.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Ah, yeah, yeah. Any records with our books. But how was the general experience? Were people having fun in the radio? Has the podcast started? So, hi guys, welcome back to procrastination episode five. Today we have our guest Edgar, our longtime friend. We met during film school. Edgar is a director, a producer. Sadly, today we have Faber from the beginning. I tried to like avoid him coming over, but he showed up and I don't even know who to who told you about the podcast happening. Edgar. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

But besides talking to my guests, besides that. Have you seen what's happening in DA and Tunduma currently? What's happening? I don't believe it though. Allegedly, people are stealing men's dicks.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

No way.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Out there in Da and in Tunduma. Like you see, if you go, if you come out and you go back home with your penis, you say thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Hold up, give me context. Are they stealing their dicks? Are they the people alive?

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Do you remember Popo Bawa stuff? No. You don't know Popa Ba. They should just be evicted. There's a lot of cultural context. What do you think about that, Edgar?

SPEAKER_04 1:10

It's giving Popa Bawa, and I never believed in Papa Bawa in the first place. So I don't believe in this as well. Someone just touching your shoulders and having your genitals disappear.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Wait, like you lose your entire genitalia.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

They shrink to like a belly button. Like your dick shrinks to the size of a belly button. Do you get the gist?

SPEAKER_03 1:26

I get the gist. There's no way this is true.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

Exactly. When he came to Popa Bawa, it was someone who comes in the middle of the night, rapes you as a man, and it was really famous in Zanziba, and then it spread to the mainland. I don't want to discredit someone's experience, but personally, I don't believe it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

And the best part about Popopawa was if you don't if you don't go and tell your neighbors that Popa Bawa came to you, he comes again.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

Oh you have so he had free publicity.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Yes, yeah, organic. The OG organic personic, authentic rich, organic rich best reviews.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

The best thing is if Popaba started like a YouTube channel, I think he would get like a lot of subscribers. I don't know if you're not sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Today we're going to Kawe.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Is that is that insensitive for me to say? No, I'm telling you. Well, people add that.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

How many times have you seen something happen to somebody? And then the next day there's an Instagram username with the name of so and so. Oh Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

My current, I think the current one you le gombi ali gongo na shilo. What lad?

SPEAKER_04 2:30

Instagram usernames with the name of the cow. And they are commenting, they would comment on different posts about the instant about the same instant. And now they've been I'm at the hospital now. I'm doing well.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

I really love mgombe lo gongwa shilone because that guy keeps on trolling Shiloh today. The accident was last year. So Shilole was driving. Uh-huh. And then I come gonga ngombe. So a guy opened like a fake account.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

As a matter of fact, you know, like uh how we Tasanians turned against our artists. Yes. So we were like much better that if the cow had survived than the actual artists. Yeah. So people were so invested, even faking, like to be interested in the welfare of the cow. Just to hate or shilule. Just to hate or shilule. So somebody took the opportunity and ran away with it and like uh started on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Here's the here's the page. Check out the page, check out the page. Okay, guys.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

So I'm looking at a page written wata if see how many followers.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

How many followers?

SPEAKER_03 3:38

This cow has 25, 26,000 followers, bro. Oh my goodness. And it's just trolling. It's just trolling. It's AI stuff with a cow with chains. Yeah. A cow with Donald Trump. A cow at the airport. This is so funny. I love it. I love this side of the internet when people start taking humor to the next level. No, it was so insane when people started canceling artists last year. Because I I actually thought cancel culture had come to Tanzania to stay. But it died so fast. Tanzanians attention span is like you think you think they still they're still canceling artists.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

We're really bad at holding grudges, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah. Guys move on. Yeah, we move on like so.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

On to the next one so fast. And I don't know. Maybe it's I don't know if it's a bad thing or it's a good thing, but there were literally no repercussions for whatever they were supposed to be getting repercussions for.

SPEAKER_04 4:29

They had some repercussions. During the time, it's when we were going into the holidays, and and during the holidays is where artists make money. People haven't made good money up until after Ramadan. Yeah. That's when I was a safung. Like everybody's doing shows, everybody's releasing new music, releasing music videos. But like in the previous years, there is actually a hit song in December. One that will carry us through Christmas, New Year's. Yeah. So this time around, it was quiet. Like any other year before.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

It's it's it's funny. It's funny that you say that because I honestly thought it was because of like the state of the situation. That's why no one was singing, no one was doing anything. But I didn't know that it was yeah, it was bad for the artist. Is it frowned upon in the creative industry to pivot to like switch? For example, I have my diploma from multi-choice in filmmaking, and then now I'm doing podcasts. And then you find me another day, I'll be doing vlogs, and then you find me singing, maybe at some other point. Well, we should you like pick a certain lane and then stick to it?

SPEAKER_04 5:26

We are allowed to have multiple interests. We are allowed to like tap into different things. Yeah, we have that superpower. Yeah, unlike any other organism, any other individual uh in the globe, anything you set your mind to do, you have everything you need to be able to achieve it. You have a podcast. How many how many times have you said that you want to start a podcast? Eventually you've started a podcast. Eventually, I mean you're gonna get listeners one day, you're gonna get uh you're gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because you decide to start a podcast. But I mean Preach, preach Edgar.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Edgar, just so you know, he only has available of 2GB space on the on the Spotify preach free version, bro.

SPEAKER_04 6:01

Once he maxes it out, listen to this podcast. Mr. Potini sends him money guys to be able to afford we are growing organically, my people.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

Organically, you know. Do you think do you think it's possible to grow organically? Faber doesn't believe in this, he thinks of like there's no such thing as organic.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

You can grow organically no such thing as organic. Whenever you say it's organic, it means the ad was very, very, very targeted to such a specific niche market.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

It resonated with them. Exactly. No, I don't think that's what we're referring to. But I grew up taifa was a social hack because something was trending. Yeah. In this case, I'm talking about a scenario. So picture scenario. Do you see how we we we have like an audio-only podcast? So there are no clips to advertise it on social media, tagging it. It's the guests that come and then the content that we make that allegedly should reach the people. So do you think that approach can actually help like someone grow an audience?

SPEAKER_04 6:57

Me personally, let me let me speak as a consumer, different media or corners of the globe. I enjoy when I discover something that wasn't advertised to me. I I really enjoy, I become so invested when I stumble upon something. Right? Like I don't want something that's thrown in my face. Yes, this is true. I feel like it's too much. Like good stuff will always find me and I will always pick it up. That's why I even quit uh Instagram for a minute. Because I deactivated that thing last month. And I've this is the first time that I've been away from Instagram for an entire month. No way. It's because I am tired of people throwing things at my face.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

I get what he's saying because I feel like it's overstimulating sometimes to be on social media. You're getting so much happening. Well, it's the war in Iran. Oh my god. You're just tired for one. You're just weak. You see, I want to try what Edgar just said: deactivating my Instagram. You do that all the time and you fail. I've never deactivated my Instagram account. Have I? Yeah, maybe you have. I don't know. Give me your experience right now. You're not online. Is this everywhere or just on IG? Just on IG. And how that how does it feel?

SPEAKER_04 7:58

It feels freeing to some extent. And I have discovered certain interests, different interests, uh, aside from Instagram. For instance, Substack. Yeah, it's a really cool app. What is that? Is that like Reddit? It's like medium mixed with Twitter, mixed with Pinterest. It's low-key, a lot of very intellectual content. You know, people write essays, people post pictures, people uh post videos, quotes, and even uh we have artists in there. We have Dotchi, we have uh Ira Star, a lot of these popular people, and they just go in on Substack and write essays about different things in life. And I find it really cool, honestly. I find it really good. I feel like it makes me as uh makes me an interesting person when I come uh to like maybe to talk to people, and I have something to contribute, I have a take, and yeah, I really credit Substack and the Bible app actually in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

My question would be: would you recommend someone to download Substack and like get off like a toxic app like Twitter? I think I spent too much time on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Twitter is amazing. What you're talking about? Twitter is this is Substack, it looks like a colorful version of Twitter.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

Yes, this is the Twitter is giving uh violence, giving violence, it's giving you like that manly aesthetic that's of aftershades, yes, of uh story western. Yes, it's giving, it's giving broken and substack is giving home, it's giving something is cooking in the kitchen, it's low music, yeah. It's really smooth, it's really soothing. I think I'm gonna check this out. Yeah, please check this out.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

I am Tim X all the time. Wow, bro. Let's go. X is X guy is everything.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

It's not Twitter, everything X is for uh people who grew up with uh character network, grew up with Nickelodeon, and Substack is for people who grew up with Disney Disney channels. People who grew up with Disney. That's an analogy that I think would be.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

In other words, X is ratchet, very ratchet, bro. The amount of racism I see on X like all the time.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

And the amount of clubbacks, bro. Have you seen the clubbacks? What what clubbacks? Are you talking about the porn? No, there's no porn because Elon has like deactivated like a thousand bros. It's really hard, it's hard to get for real. Yes, they're still there. I would sad. It's still there. I will I would know. It's still there. Oh, my bookmarks are gone. Yes, bro.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

I was like, what's going on? Remember, someone said uh that probably they order to make bookmarks uh public. And immediately my hand dropped. Guys, I saw that tweet eyes. Edgar wants to run away so fast. Now Twitter has Twitter has weird rules. How can how can you make me pay for the check mark for me to be able to qualify to get paid? They have a pay a partnership program for creators like YouTube and Instagram, but you have to pay them first for them to start paying you.

SPEAKER_04 10:52

Everything about capitalism, I just wish we just gave people each other things for free.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

How would you survive though, Edgar? How would you live in a society where people get things for free?

SPEAKER_04 11:01

I would, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

Here's my hot take on socialism, because I think that's what you're that's what you're referring to as a replacement to capitalism. I feel like with socialism, if people start realizing they don't have to do much to make it in life, it's almost like that drive in you kind of starts dying. And once once as a human being you lose that fire or like that reason to live, you almost become like a cabbage.

SPEAKER_04 11:22

I would love to try it, honestly. I would really I would really love to try it. And one experience that simulates a socialist ex a socialist type of life is boarding school. Oh that's true.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Were you in boarding school when you were younger?

SPEAKER_04 11:33

I was I was in boarding school in uh secondary high school. Yeah, it gave me that sense of socialism.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

And yeah, we we would wow let me just mute this guy's like why are you watching TikToks in the middle of the podcast? That's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Come on, high school, yeah, high school and secondary school, boarding school to be exact, simulated socialism to an extent. I really enjoyed that kind of life, yeah, up until I didn't know that that was bliss for me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

You mean those shamba dresses?

SPEAKER_04 12:04

Yeah, it's like be at the be at a certain point, like just have have it written down for you. Yeah, haven't you ever been at a stage of adult life that where you're like, I just wish someone will tell me what to do?

SPEAKER_03 12:15

I know, I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_04 12:16

I just wish someone would tell me, like, give me give me the give me the blueprint, give me the manual to this thing called life. I feel like I've stood at that point at certain times of my life where I'm like, I wish my granddad was here. I wish it was one call away. I would have asked him about so and so and so and so. I'd love for a certain type of life where you have everything written down. Yeah, like Adgar, you are supposed to wake up at this time, go to this place at this time.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

Yeah, I see what you mean. I like I like this job. Joshua doesn't agree with me at all. He doesn't like no Joshua's just rich babies.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

I I could let me tell you this. I could I could promise you when you were at that age, you were like, fuck this shit. I don't wanna be here, I wanna I wanna do my own thing. Yes, I don't wanna be wearing this shamba dressing. Why can I why can I not bring like home clothes? Because I used to bring home clothes while I was at school.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

And what would they do to you with the home clothes?

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Imagine if you were allowed to come with home home clothes in high school, like how how it it would change the dynamics of things. It'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

It would have been it wouldn't, it would, it would, it wouldn't be because it would bring it to bring social classes, those with less clothes.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

And right now, when I'm outside, I'm even like, oh my god, that was such a perfect life. Because everybody will come dressed in the same same color, same, same fabric, same, same accessories, yeah, and it would get rid of every class. Yeah, it does it didn't matter you come from a rich family, they come, it didn't matter you come from a poor family. But right now, if I'm going somewhere, I would think so much about what I'm going to wear. Yeah, I would think so much about what I'm going to wear at work, I would think so much about what I'm going to wear at an outing of some sort. Yeah. Yeah, I would put so much time, and back then you wouldn't, you wouldn't think it's prep time. Get your shamba dress on.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

You know the downside of the shamba dresses for me though wearing the same thing throughout my high school and primary school years has given me like a terrible sense of fashion as an adult. And I don't know why. I kid you maybe I'm blowing I'm moving blame to them, but I've come to realize I used to find life so much easier when I didn't have to think about what I have to wear. And then these days, now I I'll put on my weird trousers and my ulsters all the time. I doubt.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

I'm I mean, honestly, a sense of style, a personal sense of style is cultivated. You're just lazy. Don't don't bring excuses. It's cultivated by different experiences, like life experiences, honestly, and your interest, who you look up to.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

So you think I could have developed it even after, like even if I went through 12 years?

SPEAKER_04 14:27

Beyond school. Because I mean you you get holidays, right? You get to go to interact with other people of the community. I still wore my uniform in holidays. That's nice.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Well, that's that's I used to wear my shamba dress at night during the holiday. You know, today you're consistency.

SPEAKER_04 14:42

We're independent. Do you guys enjoy listening to your own voices though after you've done recording?

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Some no, sometimes no. This is so cringe. Delete the light of day. I think when we're recording Sumari's episode, there was a point where we were talking and my voice went so high-pitched, I sounded like a little girl, bro. I was like so excited. I think we're talking about like high school experiences, and I turned my brain to like a 16-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Drift was telling us his first time he he blacked out. You should tell us about your first time you blacked out.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Oh, Edgar, Edgar Edgar doesn't drink anymore, by the way. I do, I do. Okay, you still you still drink?

SPEAKER_04 15:21

You've rephrased it now. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

Occasionally, occasionally, but the occasion is always always in this day and age, in this economy, with this oil, oil prices. The first time I blocked out, yeah, it was it was in 2022, and it was so embarrassing, yeah. It was all over free, all because of free drinks. So it was a really long night of club hopping and whatnot. And yeah, free drinks, left, right, center.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

We had um no, paint us a picture. Where were you? Were you in uni? Were you with friends?

SPEAKER_04 15:54

I was in uni, my last year of university. So I was with friends. So we went club hopping from one club to another, and somebody just had a limited limit card. Yeah, and they would just swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe. And every single sport, it was bottles, bottles, bottles, bottles. The last sport was Hello New Uh at uh Wavu V camp. And yeah, everybody was just tired. Uh people didn't want to drink, but they were t there were bottles on the table. There were bottles on the table and Yogo Master. Yogo Master, that devil, official sponsor for this podcast. Yeah, you do you know the TikTok? What a kunja nini? No, yeah, I know. I have a Yogo Master. It's a TikTok whereby like um someone like your parents send you money for school fees, yeah, and you're like water kunya nini. Like you ask your friends, what is it? Is that spending it on drinks? Yeah, yes, and somebody says yogo master master. Yes, so yoga master, yega meister, yeah, um, was on on the table and nobody was touching it. It was my first time trying it. Yeah, I really found it really nice, honestly. It was uh Yager Meister with uh a set of Red Bulls. So I would mix and mix and mix and just drink the morning away because Hello Dua, for those of you who don't know, it's a morning party. Yeah, so like if you guys are done like um your full round during the course of the night and it's uh the sun is rising, that's the next sport.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

You go to a movie at five. Is it 5 a.m. or is it for four?

SPEAKER_04 17:20

It's 4 a.m. Yes, and you get to like see the sunrise because it's a beachfront establishment, so it's an amazing experience.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

The first time I went to Hellojura was with you, actually. Fun fact with me, yeah. That time with Emma, I remember we spent the entire morning, and I remember I I I was so tired, I ended up sleeping on the on the table. So people were dancing, and I was asleep on the table because I was like, we had just club hopped throughout the entire night, and then I was like, now we have to patch it again.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

I went to a corner, the corner just by the counter, yeah, and I just folded my my arms and I slept on the table. The next thing I knew, it's like the morning, the next morning, and I'm in somebody's house. Wait, the next morning different from the Hello Do you know Hello Do you are morning? Yeah, I'm in bed the next morning in my friend's house, and I'm just with boxes.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Oh shit, and that's what happened. Yes, what do you mean I'm in bed? What day is it?

SPEAKER_01 18:15

What day is it? Did I eat?

SPEAKER_03 18:17

I just arrived.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

This sounds like I have my phone, and people were telling me stories, and I had no clue. This sounds like an uh see from the hangover. The hangover the movie? Yes, the hangover.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

I don't remember the hangover. It's I it's been a while since I watched it. I couldn't remember anything. And everybody was saying everybody was like, Oh, we went to the sport afterwards to get soup. We went to this, this, and I was like, guys, I hope I just didn't embarrass myself. They were like, Yeah, we we're thankful that you didn't vomit in the car, we're just grateful that you arrived home safely and there was no hassle. And from there on, I was very cautious about my habits. Every time that I decide this night is the night that I'm gonna get drunk, yeah, I'm always in a safe space. I'm I'm with safe people. Yeah, I think that's really important the day you decide to go out. Make sure it's with people that have your best interest at heart. Yeah, it's to just randomly uko. Like people are evil. People are furahisha. You love your nickel turn into a belly button. If you want that, well, you know what is be my guest. You don't want yeah, man. I don't know. I'm just trying to sound philosophical J Shetty about my Jay Shetty era. I love missing era.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

I haven't listened to his podcast, but I've had a lot of people, I just haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

You should watch his podcast with Selena. It's giving Sozanne.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

What does he what does he talk about? Let me turn on the lights.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

They talk about no this like low light vibe it's a vibe.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

I'm not coming to talk about supermarkets to turn it, turn them on.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Exactly. We're digging the the is it ambience or we're good with ambient lighting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

Low lighting.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Oh, they shouldn't mess with it. I haven't listened to it. What do they oh uh Benny Blanca? Benny Blanca. Yes, yes. It's so it's so nice.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

So what do they talk about? Is it like life advice or everything?

SPEAKER_04 20:02

Yes, this guy was once a monk, and then he ditched his life to become a normal person. So he's just so introspective. Like he thinks yes, he thinks it's very introspective, gets down to the to the spine of things. He you should just watch it.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

I sense that energy in you. You're like you're up on a I swear to right.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Like I put someone else's at ease. He has this aura, this charisma that like you're talking to a therapist. You get yeah, so like come on.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

I'm not even close to what this guy is. No, no, okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe I miss I miss said it. I think.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

I think Edgar is giving what's the guy from the Diary of a Millionaire? Diary of a senior of a senior, that's the energy. Listen to Steven so much. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

How many like do you listen to a lot of podcasts?

SPEAKER_04 20:45

Sana, Sana. Let's see. Give us, yes. These are my favorite apps, the Apple Podcast specific app. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Give us favorite apps and then give us a favorite podcast as well.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

Um, the apps, podcasts, substack and the Bible app. Those are my favorite. TikTok, actually. I love TikTok. No shame. Of Instagram, no shame. Still on TikTok. TikTok is a name.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, we should talk about it yes, yeah. I know, right? Come on in. What the hell? TikTok TikTok is brain rot. It's killing your brain cell. Let me tell you, my decision.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

My decision to my decision to quit Instagram. Uh-huh. It's not to look like this guy who doesn't like social life or maybe doesn't like the internet. Yeah. It's just toxic. It's she's because Instagram is more toxic than TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Instagram, you see a lot of people that you know. Like it's also and TikTok, you'll be saying facts memes from Algeria, which are so fine. They relate to you. Ballerinas, you can say installiness. You relate to ballerina.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

That's what you relate to, Faber.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

Ballerina Traserina on Instagram. I couldn't get this the clip of cereal. And Cyril was actually tying this guy's imagine, you're talking to me something very serious, and I'm and I'm busy fixing your tie.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Like that's a power move. And I couldn't say that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

I'm surprised him on Instagram would never be a good idea. I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

I'm surprised. Do you claim Instagram is toxic? Instagram is toxic. How though?

SPEAKER_04 22:03

Like, is it that the people you know are showing uh everybody apart? Everybody's trying to sell you stuff, it's becoming a marketplace, it's so noisy. You rarely see the people that you really love. It's cool. And then that person maybe an exaker and a p t or something, and then a posty. So we're like, oh, my favorite graders are uh not posting as much. Yeah, it's hey Mika, I'm tired. As a matter of fact, if I'm ever going to come back to Instagram, I'm going to follow every single thing. I want Instagram to work overtime, yeah, to give me the things that you know like how TikTok has a for you page, yeah. And it's just one of people coming through your feed based on what you like. Yeah, I feel like Instagram should should tweak it to like um cater to that. Like your interests more than the people that you follow. Yeah, so if I'm going to to go on my feed, I want to see the same same people, and it's going to be too too much. It's going to be too much. I don't want to see what X is doing today, or maybe like let's say, um, I have influencer friends. Uh-huh. Like, I don't want to see you today with a snip brand, tomorrow with a snip brand, tomorrow with a snip brand. It's like, hey, moving Billboard. Oh my god, you're a moving billboard. It's like a billboard that's following you. It's like nah, that's too much.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Wait, wait. Oh, how was the experience at the Killy Marathon? Well, for the people who are actually doing the running, the running. Not the slutty. Not the slutty people.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

The people who came to party. They know. No, no, the party.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Also, you want the behind-the-scenes experience. You, you, you, you know someone was working on it. You know the connotation about no, it's not about killy marathon. The connotation about marathon. They say, you know what? What what connotation is I forgot to yes to pick up women, Kudanga. Then it's a new place where you go and actually meet people.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Oh no, what I only is the train that goes to Arusha. The people who are going for Killy Marathon usually hook up on the trains.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Our trains are not hookable. You need to be living under a rock. I guess that's that train to Arusha is not hookable. At least you know it's not giving hookups.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

You can't hook up in the bathroom. Is that the train that has the big hole and then when you just go into the train?

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Do you know how gross is that? Do you know how gross is that? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

I need to fact check this information.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

That's what I would say. Yeah. So I mean, um, maybe picking up women at the killing marathon is a probability, especially if you're in the corporate world. Because that's where you get to see your other corporate people, and these people are deprived, they're horny, they've no they don't have any social life. So the chances of you picking up somebody with the same interest are really high. Yeah. That's where uh that's why people assume that it's a place where people can match easily. Yeah, I didn't know this was the case because if I would have known I feel like it's in every marathon, I feel like marathon is becoming a niche hobby where people can actually meet other people, you know. Enjoy every single day we're getting lonely, actually. Every chance you get to meet people and interact, uh, people are always up for it.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Here's my question with interactions with human beings, people are going to always disappoint you. What if you just decided to do your thing with your AI and you make it like your partner in crime? Oh that you think this would work.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

It's giving M T V sugar season 2. It's M T T V Sugar Sean 2. Wait, wait. M TV Sugar Season 2 has that eye theme. Yes, exactly. M TV Sugar or Mashaniki. Oh, there's a character who like has this super parasocial relationship with a girl, yeah, and she decides to create a clone, an AI clone of the girl. She he uses that in place for the actual girl. Yeah. Not in good terms with him. My brother. It goes down south, honestly. Some point where it gets out of control.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

I feel like if you okay, anyway, I'm on a sound cuckoo, so let me just because I've talked about this AI thing for like past three podcasts, and every time the reception is never good. People always frown whenever you bring up AI. It's like painted to be this negative thing. It is actually. It is. You think AI is negative?

SPEAKER_04 25:59

It is negative and it is positive, as a matter of fact. And I remember I was asked at an interview a couple of weeks ago, and this guy was like, um, so like he was straight, uh straight on. He was like, So do you think AI is good or bad? Like it's a serious question. I feel like he with the with the with the tone that he used, it's I think it determined whether I was going to get hired or not. So AI has two sides. It has a good side, it has a bad side. You know how when with the advent of computers, people would uh write hand, and everybody had a handwriting and they would shape it to be neatly theirs, yeah, to like represent them in a way. Yeah you know, like my dad has this good calligraphy with uh the way he writes, and it's really beautiful when you see his old letters or just have him sign your book or something. It's really beautiful. Yeah. And with the advent of computers, people just lost interest. Everybody was just like, oh, let me type it in word, let me type in word. I am very much sure that you don't really know your handwriting. I don't know. So I feel like when it comes to AI, it will reach a certain point where critical thinking will be scarce. People will be heavily heavily reliant on uh AI to think for them, and to some extent, we're going to lose the core essence of what it means to be shared. I feel like we are going to lose uh ability to critically think for ourselves. Yeah. And with that loss, the people who have monopolized AI are gonna charge us for it. So it will reach a certain point where you will have to pay for a machine to think on your behalf. You know what you say.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

What you said makes so much sense because I remember I was uh trying to apply for something very recently, and I among the requirements was like an application letter, a letter of motivation. Tell me how. I can't even start a paragraph. Everything I think of, my name is Drift. I'm like, that sounds like a five-year-old. How should how do how do they start? Exactly. And immediately I put it in chat. It's like whatever I put out, I was like, Well, this seems nice. Uh-huh. And just like that, that's how I ended up writing the letter. I couldn't compose sentences from my own head. I went back to my school, like my school documents, and apparently I used to write like dissertations pages and pages long. And I was like, Did I write this or did I have like an AI that I used to use back in the day that I didn't know about?

SPEAKER_02 28:02

I usually brag to people that I could follow my exams pre-AI. Like we're not the same. Yeah, bro. We are not the same. Put it on your resume. This pre-AI. This certificate is pre-AI, bro. I feel like that's that's valid. Booked-based assignments were done by books. I went to the library. I went to the library and did my research.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

Those were such interesting times.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

You know, with the coming in of all these devices, I would have failed so hard at school because I would just be cheating. I I did cheat like throughout my high school, but I would have been cheating a lot more if I had like metaglasses.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

And also, this is where it becomes contradicting. It has positives as well, yeah. Like you your ability to actually prompt an AI to give you that highest level of like response, yeah. It actually requires a different set skills. Yeah, true. You get it requires anticipatory. Like you have like think five, yes, exactly. You even have to think like five times forward before uh you like go to the computer and like generate stuff.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

Which I think is also cool because I mean, if you're going to like help me skip step one, two, three that I already know, yeah, so that I can get to step five easily. That's the purpose of AI, I think. The positive purpose of AI.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

I know I agree. I think that part works. My problem is the danger comes in when it starts going for people's jobs. I've been noticing ads, billboards are so AI-ish. So many, bro. But you can tell AI photos like that kind of really well polished and like very glassy, and I'm seeing a lot more of them. And that's scary for us, let's say, in the filmmaking space. I feel like it's going to get to a point where people will no longer need actual human beings to be making these films.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Look, this is my theory. My theory is gonna be, right? Okay, ish we're gonna get make AI movies, but selling point is gonna be uh this is made by humans. You see how they market IMAX. Like is it an IMAX 35 millimeter. See, like how yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's that's how they're gonna be marketing. Like this is 100% made by humans. It's gonna be so rare and so valuable.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

I mean, I hope so, but I've seen kids consuming a ice loop and they seem to not care whether it's Taralilo, what's that Italian one? But anyway, let's close the podcast. Thank you guys for listening. This was episode five. We had Edgar, he gave us so many insights on so many things, and in the spirit of actually closing, because we've been talking for like 10 minutes now, after officially closing. See you guys on the next episode. Hopefully, Faber won't be there. My name is Jeff.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Just say green up bye. Bye.