In Defence of the Woo

Our witchy debrief on all the non‑conventional stuff women are drawn to – tarot, numerology, manifesting, crystals, natural remedies, moon rituals and more – and why we shouldn’t be shamed for it. We talk about how these practices help us find meaning, comfort, confidence and community in a world that’s heavy on evidence and light on actually listening to women, and we draw a clear line between nourishing rituals and predatory ‘wellness’ scams. If you’ve ever said “I know it’s a bit woo, but…” before talking about your intuition, this episode has your back

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome back to Rage on the Rocks, the weekly witchy debrief, where two women pour a drink, drop the shield, and say out loud all the things we usually just scream into the group chat under a full moon. I'm Sarah. I'm Lauren. And this afternoon we are in full defense mode. We are in defense of the woo. All the so-called non-scientific, non-conventional things that women are drawn to. So things like tarot cards, numerology, manifesting crystals, natural remedies, energy work, moon rituals. All the stuff that apparently makes us silly, irrational, and bad feminists, if we admit we love it. So if you have ever hidden your tarot deck before a certain friend comes over, apologised for loving essential oils, or said, Look, I know it's a bit woo, but before you talk about your intuition, this one is for you. Woo! We love this, don't we? We do, I'm excited.

unknown 0:57

Ha!

SPEAKER_01 0:58

How are you this week? I've been a bit flat, to be honest. How about you? I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel very similarly. So this is very timely.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

I think lots of people are feeling that way, you know. It's just it's a lot going on at the moment. A lot of heavy stuff. But we are here at the beachfront and we're looking at the ocean. So that's that's a pretty good way to deal with feeling flat, I reckon. And we've both got little beverage, some Matso's ginger beer, because that's what you drink in the sunshine next to the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

It sure is. Takes me back to uh Broom, the old Pilbara days. Well, I know it's technically in the uh Kimberly, but when we lived in the Pilbara, sitting outside enjoying blue skies and sunshine, and here we are in Darwin doing the same. Finally blue skies. Yep, beautiful. Thank goodness. So look, I think we had a chat about whether we should talk about this, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00 1:56

We did, we sure did.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I feel like a bit of a novice in this space in some areas of woo, in others, I feel like I've been practicing for a while. But I feel like it's something that we as women have in our lives, and many women do different bits of woo. And maybe we talk about it a little with our friends, but often it's not necessarily uh something we make big in our life.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

No, it's probably more something we make f fun when we're talking about it. As opposed to maybe we minimise. Why do we do this? Because we feel silly? I don't know. Is that why? Because we're scared of judgment.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Maybe we are. Yeah, in this world of, you know, randomized control trials and Which we also love. We love science. Science is great. We do, we do. Let's talk firstly. Can I ask you about when someone says woo, what are you thinking?

SPEAKER_00 2:55

When somebody says woo, my mind tends to go more to this kind of medical field, which is interesting in of itself because I do personally, you know, there is a really big place for holistic medicine and alternative medicines, I think, but I think there's a whole lot of unregulated woo going on in uh in the health sector as well, that just you know, maybe overstating the healing properties of some parts of the spiritual world.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yeah, I agree. Well, I certainly hope so. No, being controversial is what we do here, it's all about raging. And I'd just like to say, as an aside, unregulated woo, that sounds like a t-shirt to me. So good. Cool. Look out for our shop coming near you. Look, picking up on your medical piece, I think that's probably where I started my woo journey, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Fertility. Yeah, like fertility. So uh having babies didn't happen straight away for me. And I did see some traditional Chinese medical practitioners. Now they're not woo, they are highly evidence-based, but Eastern medicine, not Western medicine. But engaged in other things as well, started to explore meditation. Again, is it woo? Maybe it is for some people. I think there's a lot of science around meditation as there is a lot. So But some people may still feel and this is a piece, isn't it? It's kind of a grey area. After having children, essential oils, natural remedies. That's kind of the woo piece that I sat in.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

You were a crunchy mum. Oh were you a granola mum? Is that what it is? Yeah. Is it granola um one step down from crunchy? I don't even know. Look, I'm not sure. But you were around there. You were maybe slightly crunchy, mum.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Look, I wish I knew the definition. All I can say is in this world of uh categorising people, I was somewhere in there, I suppose. Yeah, and I loved that period of time. What did you love about it? I loved there were a few instances of using essential oils where one could have gone to Western medicine. Yep. And chose not to. And we had some successes. Now, this isn't me out there promoting this is what people should do, because actually I I'm a health professional myself, big believer in evidence, evidence-based, evidence-informed approaches, always. So this is not an advocacy piece for going 100% woo over everything else. This is about, for me, it's about wellness more than anything. And, you know, women making their own choices, people, families making their own choices in this space and exploring things that perhaps aren't as invasive, intrusive, other ways harmful, side effects perhaps. Yeah, that's sort of my view.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, I think that's really important for people. And people, you know, yes, it is the entry point, the gateway, if you will, into the woo for lots of women is that having children, wanting to go more natural, you know, you're really thinking about what you're putting in and on your body and in your house, and probably more than you ever have in your life because you've got a little tiny person. So I I totally understand that. My brain's doing some wacky things today though. Straight away I was like, oh, I love essential oils, right? I just threw a few in the bin yesterday that I'd had for far too long. But the thing that it invoked in me was not the relaxation or the like it was I was in one of the more I guess it was an MLM when you I think about it. I'm not gonna name it, but it's got the structure of something that's probably you know, you sign up and then it's really hard to unsubscribe and you end up spending all this money on oils that actually can't keep up with because you don't actually use that many essential oils. Well, lots of people do, but I was not using that much essential oil. Lavender oil, those sorts of things, the way that smell can be used in particular, I think is really interesting and has been really important in my own kind of mental health. Relaxing. We have our own little monster spray at home for my daughter who she's very scared that she's gonna have a bad dream, and so you know, a little bit of lavender on the pillow as a monster spray is good for her and I. I think those sorts of things are well and truly worthwhile. But you do have to wonder about the predatory aspect of wellness as well and woo-woo. I feel like this is its whole own episode, actually. We'll save that for Conspiracy Nation MLM MLM edition.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

I love that. So, can I ask you about crossing over into other types of woo? I know that you're a bit of a tarot girl. Love it. Tell me, tell me more about this as someone who is a bit of a tarot virgin.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

I wouldn't say that I am really a tarot expert. I'm learning, but it is something I would say has been kind of present in my life for a long time. I can remember being young and mum having a tarot deck, and so it's always been something that's just been around. And when you're a kid, it's just kind of fun. And as an adult, I really like it as a reflection tool. It's really interesting to ask the big questions because we'll always have really big questions about life and career and direction and what's going on, and I just find it's really good to help me get past some mental blockages. So it's less about being like, oh, beautiful tarot deck, please tell me my destiny and my future, and more just for it to help me ask myself some questions that maybe I haven't quite grappled with. And I love it in that regard. I did a little poll just before, and we meant to bring a deck we forgot. We did an online one. It's probably really against woo rules, but it's really interesting because I find that I get the same themes that come up pretty regularly. Whether you read into that or whether you don't, I do read into that a little bit. I always find it kind of validating, and I think whether that's evidence-based or not, is a nice thing. The validation's a nice thing, having re that help with a bit of reflection is not a bad thing. And the artwork is beautiful, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

It is, isn't it? And you've crossed over into what was going to be sort of my next question as to what women actually get from this. Now, I did before just call myself a tarot version, and that's actually not correct. I had my tarot done at a friend's party earlier this year, first time ever. And for me, the experience was you described your experiences as being validating and self-reflective, and I found exactly the same thing. What I also found is it gave me a sense of confidence. It backed up obviously what I was sort of mulling around in my head and hadn't landed on a few things. And the way I interpreted that reading gave me this sense of confidence that maybe I just needed to listen to myself a little bit more and with more backing. And that I can't tell you how valuable that was to me at the time and still is when I think back on that experience.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Yeah, and if you are not a Tarot novice, if you are very, very much into Tarot and want to correct us on anything, please do feel free to get in touch with us because we would love to chat more to you. But I mean, for me, that's that's it, right? It's all about how you interpret what you're pulling. For me, I get a lot of similar themes and I find it validating. Well, that's of course. I'm interpreting or I'm reflecting back what it is that I really think and feel in a way that maybe I haven't been able to say. I think that's really cool. And I think when you're having a reading from somebody else as well, there's that extra layer of there's somebody else doing this for you. Feels magical.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

It does feel magical. I felt that as well. Definite sparkle time. And I was going through a bit of, I guess, inner turmoil about some questions going around my head at the time, and I found that the narrative that came out of the whole reading, and I have to say, I'm I'm gonna share this with you now. And you know what? I feel a little silly saying it out loud, but I'm gonna do it because I am great. Yeah, that's right. It was a love reading. And I'm, you know, a single lady out there. I am not opposed to looking for love in the right places. So this love reading for me was at a time when, you know, things were happening in my not in that space, nothing was happening in that space in my life, a lot of other things were happening. And so for me, it really gave a sense of meaning, direction, and oh, the narrative around it was actually really beautiful. And I really valued that reading. I've I still think about it a lot. I want to talk about as well, just taking a little bit of a turn, the importance of ritual when it comes to the woo. Have you got thoughts on this?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

I have so many thoughts on this because it's really funny. Talking of the woo, when we sat down, uh, we actually did not pre-plan this. And when we sat down, Sarah was so Sarah gave a couple of topics and getting into the woo was one of them. And funnily enough, I had been writing notes in my book about rituals and the woo over the last couple of days. It's something that I'm actually working away on something with because to me rituals are really important, and I don't mean rituals in the like I'm not sacrificing goats, people, don't you worry. Um it's not, you know, lighting candles and drawing stars on the floor or in something out of the crow. For me, it's about the little rituals in every day, so it's part of my own anxiety journey, if you like that word, but my own anxiety travels. Things like stopping to make a cup of tea in, you know, my favourite mug, and spending the time just to steep the tea bag and really soak in that beautiful cup of tea is a ritual for me, and it's a way for me to ground myself in that moment, in that present moment. And when I was in a job that just basically never stopped, that occasional just even four or five minutes was just absolute, I don't know, it was just a beautiful moment in the chaos, you know, and you need that, you need the brain break, you need that space for reflection, and so I find those little rituals really important. So whether or not people think of those things as rituals, I do. So doing a bit of meditation is a ritual. And there might be lots of other things in your routine, maybe it's things you do with your kids that in essence are kind of your own little rituals. It's much more fun to think of them that way as well. You know, they're they're a little kind of magical moment that you have for yourself. I think that's really important. Especially for women, because we get made to feel so guilty about taking time for ourselves. And when I say made to feel guilty, we're often causing out like that's just our own narrative about it, helped by society. But I think the more we can break our days up with little moments, small rituals for yourself.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Absolutely. They feel indulgent, and I love feeling indulgent.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Absolutely. Well, it gives We need it. We do need it, and I think it speaks to, you know, the more I think about it, and this is kind of where I was going to with my little uh random train of thought in my book, is that really it's about saying that you value yourself as well. Like I value myself enough to have this moment. And if there's anything that women need more of, it's moments to go, I deserve this. I deserve this moment.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

And it's yours, and there's no one there talking over you, there's no one contradicting you. You get a moment where you can just be in something that you value, in something that you love. I think the other point as well from when I had my tarot reading in January, it was done at a friend's 40th. Shout out to my friend Pippa. What a great idea. She had it at the Last Supper.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Great idea.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

We love The Last Supper. So everyone that came had a tarot reading. And I felt you have your little reading, come back, and then you share it with this group of women. And so it created like this little circle, this community of women that got such great joy in their individual moment and then bringing it back to the circle to share. It was the most, it was the most wonderful idea. That's the way it should go.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

I just I watch too much Real Housewives, and on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, they did that, but they all were asking just like really underhanded questions about each other, and it turned out bad. Of course, very entertaining, but I think it's a beautiful idea for a birthday. In fact, I might steal that one. Pippa, is that your friend's name? Yeah, Pippa. Thank you. Tarot readings. I think they're a great opportunity for a birthday party, a coming together of women, as well as a whole range of other things, right? I I went to a friend's, so it wasn't a baby shower, it was a blessing way, I think it's called, when she had her baby many, many, many years ago. And it that was much more ritualistic, if I can use that term, about blessing this incoming baby, and it was beautiful. You know, we have flowers, and we were making flower headbands, and it was kids and grown women, and we were just all sitting together kind of in our feminine energy and blessing this baby that was coming, and it was gorgeous, and way better than you know, smelling chocolate in nappies and trying to guess what chocolate it is.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Can I say I'm so glad you brought this up? Raging against baby showers. As someone who has who did have one, my friends in Karatha threw me a baby shower for my first bubba, and I'm deeply grateful because it was an opportunity for all of my favourite people to come together. Absolutely. So that aside, I feel cringy. And it, I don't know, it kind of falls in the same in the same category for me as a hen's night. And I I'm not sure why. I haven't put my thoughts together on this.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

This is a whole other episode, I think. It deserves its own episode, but I agree. Yeah, I had I had one for each of the girls, but it was basically very small lunch with just women I enjoy. That was it. Yeah. Let's have lunch or let's have coffee and a toasty.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Yeah, that's that community piece again, this little village that we have. And so perhaps as women we're searching, we're always searching for ways to continue to create that community and that circle around us. I think so. And perhaps there's some of these rituals within events such as Hens Nights and Baby Show that have kind of been corrupted over time to create competition or awkwardness. And actually, maybe that's what the problem I have with it is that it goes against the reasoning why we would all come together as women in the first place. We're meant to bond and connect. I think we're always searching for meaning, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:59

That's why that's why we love the woo-woo. We're we're looking for meaning. And you know, whether you're religious or not religious, I'm not religious. You know, I think people can be spiritual without being religious. I think there's a lot to be said for spirituality and mental health and health in general, and there's a sense of community around having shared values and having deeper conversations, and I think that's what you're saying with the tarot as well, is that straight away you get into a deeper conversation. Yeah. It's not about the weather or the you know what you think the weight of the baby's gonna be or whether it's gonna be a boy or a girl. It's none of that stuff, it's straight into the guts of what people are about, and I think we get in our own way of connecting as a community, and this is our way of making meaning. That was beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

I couldn't have said it better myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I can't hear out of one ear for people um who might be listening to this episode, so I'm I'm glad. I'm glad that made sense.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Well, it is not affecting your amazing thought processes because that is so true. It also brings me to the next point of why the woo gets mocked. I think no episode of Rage is complete without talking about why something like this would be mocked and why it's also very gendered. The mocking or just generally the woo? The woo is certainly gendered. Yep. You know, it's more heavily weighted in favour of women participating in the woo. There is a mocking element to it. You know, perhaps it comes from our very scientific focused Western brains that tell us that we have to prove everything that we do and we need hard evidence and facts, and for some of our woo, there is none of that to be found, or very little of it to be found. And so there's a general sense of hiding it or understating it or being fearful about what other people think as well. You know, thinking about historically, women that engaged in practices that were not considered your normal mainstream practices were witches. Yeah. You burned at the stake, etc.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Or drowned, yes, that would be us for even having this conversation. But in saying that, I do think there is a line, though. And again, I touched on it a little bit at the beginning, and there is a part of woo that starts to get dangerous, and I want to be really clear that that's we're not endorsing that. Like there's lots of groups out there that will say I have the cure to all of your ailments. If only you would try this essential oil, or if only you would have this herb or whatever, and they're actually putting people's lives at risk, and I think there is a lot of that, and it's probably become a lot more mainstream again since COVID, if I'm honest, and so I I think there's a difference between having a holistic understanding of what this can add to your life and leaning into it and your health and well-being, and being so kind of blind to the science and the evidence that you're just gonna go full pelt into telling everyone that you'll solve your endo or your cancer or your whatever if you just used a little bit more clarisage oil. You know, it's so is that the fine line or is that just a con? I think it's scammy. Yeah, I think it's scammy, but I think that doesn't help. Like it doesn't help the narrative of people who genuinely enjoy and see benefits from having some of these woo-woo spiritual practices, rituals in their life. I think the fact that so many people do get scammy around it doesn't help. And people can get taken ad advantage of, and that's not good. Um, but I think as well from a male perspective, I I don't know, maybe I went to the shops this morning to get my two-year-old, almost two-year-old girl, some birthday presents, and I wanted to pick her up a t-shirt, and they were all really, really super girly. She's really into dinosaurs. I was just strolling around the boys' section looking for a decent t-shirt, didn't say she was a dude on it, but had a dinosaur. Anyway, this story is going somewhere, I promise. Again, I think we're just conditioned to like certain things, and that's like it's a it's a women's thing, right? It's the playing with tinctures and herbal remedies, it the things that you hear. Oh, my grandma used to whip this up in the kitchen, this type of tea. It's not something that often you hear men being at the forefront of, unless you're Pete Evans, and that's a whole other level of problematic. But in my view, in my humble opinion. So I think again it's gendered because of history.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Astrology girls and crystal shops and manifestations. Girlies, uh you know, the shallow, the stupid people that believe in these things, they're the things that can come to mind in this space. And what's the difference between that and say a man wearing his lucky socks because his favourite AFL team wins whenever he wears them?

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Well, the difference is history as well, for one. Astrology is in some cultures really a massive, massive thing. And something that we've learnt a lot from over long periods of time. If you're into looking at the stars, we all know a bit of astrology, really. I think it's fascinating and it it's yeah, it's kind of cool. But I think again, for women, when we think about moon cycles, we are people who are used to thinking in cycles because we have our own cycle, and we've probably grown up with the is it a myth or is it real that we might all end up kind of syncing with the women that we live with because of the moon and the you know, so we grow up with those kinds of stories about cycles in ways that men don't, and I think that's really kind of fascinating. But I kind of think that's magical too. I'm especially lately, you know, the full moon is just so spectacular, and it's it will I'll come back to the moon in my glimmer later. Oh good, in a very, very different way. I'm not gonna go off on the tangent now, okay? But there is nothing more magical, I don't think, than driving home to a full moon coming up and it just looks so huge, and it's magical. And you just realise how small you are and how amazing and big this planet is, and I think that's really healthy for people.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

And how if you have small babies, that is the night that no one ever sleeps well.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Totally, and apparently some people will anecdotally say it's definitely the night that EDs go off, and you know, people will swear black and blue that things go pretty hectic when the moon's full. I don't know that the science bears out just yet, but there's lots of people who say, oh no, no, no, definitely, definitely notice it.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

And this conversation always it brings me back to this idea that as a human race we are living in constant uncertainty. Yes. So thinking about it in terms of how ridiculous it is to mock our interest in the things that we can't be certain of. And the woo requires a certain amount of belief or trust or faith or just experimentation. It relies on us being okay with uncertainty, being okay with something we can't prove. And what actually made me think of that is when you were talking, I was thinking about the Big Bang Theory.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Show that I love, but Penny, not the not like the actual the series. The series. Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

You know, about about the group of science.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

I thought you were thinking about the actual science.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Oh, oh, yeah, it's just a random thing to think about. But let's go on, the show. It may have been random. You were talking about the moon. Surely it's all it is all connected. Anyway, it's all connected. Penny is into astrology and tarot and all that sort of stuff. And she is regarded as the I hate to say it, the dumb blonde in the situation, which started out with just sort of male scientists, it then increased to include some very intelligent female scientists, but often mocked for experimenting in that space. And it was put down, well, she's pretty stupid and and blonde. So that's why she's into that, right? So that's that kind of mocking. Uh, and we should only really believe what we can prove in science as well. So I guess what I'm saying is, are women more comfortable with embracing the uncertainty of life? So we're we're okay with experimenting in the woo, with being okay that not everything has the solid evidence base that we would like to. Do you have a thought on that?

SPEAKER_00 28:10

I'm not sure that I do. I think it's one for people listening. I'd be really interested in the broader view about that because again, I go to meaning making. Maybe it is about there are things that we can be certain of. There's things that we can be certain of in terms of our place in the universe and moon cycles, and and that maybe pulling a tarot card is a way of trying to give ourselves some more certainty over a situation, not necessarily control, but searching for meaning. Yes, maybe it's because of the uncertainty that we rely on these things so much to make meaning or to pull meaning from them so that we feel more secure. But I don't know that it's that we're better at sitting with the uncertainty. Maybe we're just more desperate to try and find answers. I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking about crystals as well. If you wear a certain type of crystal because you it just makes you feel a little bit more comforted or confident or whatever it is. I don't know. It's all just about trying to back yourself a little bit more and feel a little bit more certain, maybe a little bit more solid and grounded in a world that's really not those things.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

And potentially more consciously in tune with that mind, body, soul connection. 100%. And I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

It interacts. Oh, it's a brilliant thing. And we've talked about it, we've talked about it even this morning, just that so many of us go through life and we have significant periods of time where we learn to ignore our body, what it's telling us, and what our mind is telling us. And I think that these are things that help us unpack that, and that's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

That is brilliant, and I'm gonna suggest that we leave it there before we accidentally start a coven at the beachfront hotel.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

It won't be an accident. I'll be here at seven. No way.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Come down and join us, we can pull some tarot cards together. I'll just have to nip home and get them because I was the one that forgot them. So I guess, ladies out there, and you know, men who listen to our podcast as well, if you've ever felt like that you've had to hide the parts of you that likes to light a candle, pull the cards, track the moon, or whisper a little prayer over your kids' beds. Here's your reminder: you're allowed to be both deeply rational and deeply woo. You can love science, you can love salt baths, peer-reviewed evidence, and angel numbers. There's no judgment here from us.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

It's totally okay to guess that Mars is in retrograde and then be right.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

And when we finish recording, I'm gonna ask you what that means, because I have no idea. Glimmers, glimmers, glimmers. Glimmers. Look, the glimmer for me is actually in this conversation that women, myself, yourself included, and other women out there who I know and connect with, that we find meaning, comfort, and power in these things, in the rituals, in these alternative ways of knowing. It's not a sign we've, you know, lost the plot. It's a sign we're sort of building lives that nourish us. And I wonder if you are one of those women that were very fortunate to discover this very early in your adulthood or you grew up with it. Lucky you, I would say. Share it with your friends. Maybe have a tarot party. I don't know. Do something to bring women together, to use it as a a door to walk through, have those vulnerable conversations with your friends, connect, find out how people really are.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

There's something really powerful about that, and we don't have to harden up and be productive. We do enough of that in our lives, and this is a time for that real feminine energy to shine. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Love that. My glimmer is that there is currently a woman circling the moon. Yes. On the Artemis. Is it Artemis? Artemis 2. Yeah, I think that is pretty epic and deserving of a massive shout out. That's really super cool. I am loving watching it, and um, you know, every evening or so my partner is putting it on so that my six-year-old can watch it, and I think that's really cool. So that is my glimmer, but also I have to say this, and it's gonna be really terrible, but it does have to do with Donald Trump and the moon and the Atomus 2. Go. If you haven't seen the clip on you, find it on YouTube, find it on the interwebs, all good interweb pages, of Donald Trump calling the astronauts who are currently circling the moon. They say it's the most awkward 60-odd seconds of silence where he tells them how proud everyone is, including the Canadian Prime Minister that he's slagged off many a time. And they basically do not answer him, and they just play around, they were just playing around with something that's floating around, having a fat old time up there in space, ignoring Donald Trump. I think it's beautiful. Can I just cut funding to NASA? He's cutting all this funding, poverty, education. See, I'm on a rant now. Education, poverty programs, jobs and training, NASA space programs to fund his war. And they were like, nah. Can I also what a historic moment.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

I know. He knows how to ruin any moment, that man, honestly. Stop ruining the moon mission. That's right. I just to add to that as well, I heard something rather amusing on this this morning. Oh, firstly, fact, apparently it is the female astronaut that fixed the toilet problem that they had. She's the onboard plumber, so I just woo! Shout out to her. Did she take a hundred tampons? Do you know what? I was I was very curious about that. I wonder if they did something with her cycle, so that wasn't an issue up there. I would love to know the answer to that. If anyone knows, please get in touch with me.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

I would like to last time. I'll send you the story. Send me the story. There was many the tampons were loaded onto the spacecraft clearly by a man who has no idea how many tampons a woman requires. But anyway, continue.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Sorry, ma'am, we love you. We do, we do. So good. The other piece is look, I was listening to My Guilty Pleasure is often late-night American stand-up comedy. Oh yeah. Oh, the comedy shows like Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel. It might have been Kimmel, actually, that said this morning he was relaying that very same story that you told about Donald Trump. And he was telling the astronauts all about the success of their mission and how we haven't been to the moon since Apollo or whatever. He was going on and on and on. And I believe Jimmy Kimmel said that he was moon splaining the moon missions to a bunch of astronauts. Moon splaining. So if you haven't seen it, it's worth seeing.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Go watch it. Watch the moon splaining and rage on.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Definitely. We'll be back next week with more rage, more honesty, and probably more, I don't know, ethically sourced incense or something. But until then, may at least one of your wildest manifestations start quietly making its way towards you and rage on. Rage on.