Episode 54🎙️ Clint Mackay – Part 2 | Breath, Truth & Becoming Your Own Hero.

🎙️ Clint Mackay – Part 2 | Breath, Truth & Becoming Your Own Hero

In Part 2 of this powerful conversation, Buzz sits back down with Clint Mackay — and this is where things go deeper.

From the beaches of Australia to the birthplace of yoga in India, Clint shares how his journey through injury, pain, and self-discovery opened his eyes to a completely different way of living.

This episode dives into:

🔥 What India really taught him about life, presence, and simplicity
 🔥 Why modern life is keeping people distracted, busy… but unfulfilled
 🔥 The truth about “freedom” — and why it might not be what you think
 🔥 Lightning Ridge, adventure, and what we’ve lost in the cities
 🔥 Relationships, growth, and learning to listen instead of react
 🔥 The power of values — and why Clint replaced “freedom” with “adventure”

And then… one of the most powerful answers we’ve had on the podcast:

👉 Who is your hero?

Clint’s answer might just change the way you look at your own life.

This isn’t just a podcast — it’s a conversation about waking up, slowing down, and becoming the best version of yourself.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Welcome back to who is your hero. This is part two of my conversation with a good mate of mine, Clint Mackay. Now I'll be honest, when I first sat down with Clint, I thought this might end up as a three-part series. But once we got rolling, once the words started flowing, once the truth started coming out, I just couldn't stop it. Some conversations don't deserve to be chopped up too much. Some conversations have rhythm, a pulse, an energy of their own. And this one absolutely did. So here we are, straight into part two. And if you listen to part one, you already know why. You already know this wasn't just another chat. This wasn't surface-level stuff. This wasn't small talk. This wasn't a bloke coming on to polish up his image and tell everyone how good he is. This was a real conversation about pain, pressure, family identity, discipline, darkness, healing, awareness, and the kind of life lessons that usually only come after you've been smacked around a bit by life itself. In part one, we got into the Mackay tribe, we got into Greg, we got into the values passed down through the family, we got into work, ethic, toughness, men, purpose. And what happens when life throws you into the fire? We heard about Clint's back injury, the spiral, the painkillers, the darkness, and the way yoga slowly stopped being a joke and started becoming a lifeline. But this next part, this is where conversations really open up. Because once Clint found that first crack of light, once he started to breathe again, once he started to look inward instead of just muscling through life, that path took him far behind just stretching on a map. It took him around the world, it took him to India, the birthplace of yoga, into ancient wisdom, into places and people that forced him to slow down, shut up, listen, and really question what matters. And that's what this part is really about. It's about what happens when a bloke raised in the real world, in family, work, responsibly, grit, and hard lessons starts combing with that presence, stillness, reflection, philosophy, and a deeper understanding of life. This episode is about contrast. It's about the dark and the light, storm and the stillness, the city and the outback, the system and the soul, the Western world chasing more and more and more. And the growing realization that maybe the answer has actually been less. Less noise, less distraction, less ego, less fake success, less running, less proving, and a whole lot more truth. Because Clint speaks beautifully in this part about something I think a lot of people are feeling right now. That so many of us are flat out chasing freedom without ever really stopping to ask what freedom actually is. Is freedom doing whatever you want whenever you want? Is it escaping responsibility? Is it having no one to answer to? Or is real freedom something deeper than that? And when Clint starts talking about values and how he had to move freedom down the list and replace it with adventure, that one hit me hard. Because that's just not a clever line. That's wisdom earned through living. That's a man realizing that being free of responsibility can actually make you a worse partner, a worse father, a worse version of yourself. But choosing a venture, choosing truth, and choosing love, choosing growth, that creates a life that still has wildness in it, still has soul in it, still has edge in it, but also has meaning. And that's what I love about this conversation. There's depth here, there's bite here, there's philosophy here, but there is also lived experience. This isn't somebody quoting books that they haven't understood. This is somebody who's lived enough to know the difference between 20 words and actual wisdom. We also head the lightning ridge in this episode. And if you ever spent time in places like that, you would know exactly what Clint means when he talks about those towns that have something the cities have lost. Character, adventure, some rough edges, truth, space to breathe, space to think, space to be different. And maybe that's part of what's missing for a lot of people now. We're overfed, over-stimulated, over-connected, over-entertained, over-distracted, but underwhelmed, under-inspired, undernourished in spirit, and underconnected to what actually matters. That part of the chat goes into all that. We talk about boredom, phones, we talk about social media, we talk about the way modern life keeps people scrolling, numb, obedient, exhausted, disconnected from their own creativity. We talk about how easy it is to get trapped in a life that looks normal from the outside but feels dead on the inside. And I reckon that's why this one hit me. Because while Clint's journey is his own journey, there are moments in this conversation where you can hear something much bigger. A challenge to all of us to slow down, to question more, to stop blindly following the herd, to stop wishing our lives away, to stop filling every empty moment with rubbish, to stop calling busy a badge of honor, to stop assuming success looks the same for everyone. There's also a beautiful human side to this episode, too. We talk about his wife Shauna, we talk about relationships, we talk about women asking questions men don't always want to hear. We talk about intuition, family growth, masculine and feminine energy, and how much better life actually works when people stop competing and start complementing each other. And right at the end, Clint gives you one of the most powerful answers I've heard to a question this whole past is built around. Who is your hero? I ask that question to a lot of people now, a lot. And every now and then someone gives me an answer that just lands it in a different way. And an answer that reminds me exactly why I started asking this in the first place. And Clint does that here. So where we are right now, driving, training, walking, sitting on the lounge, lying in bed, working away, or just needing a bit of perspective, settle in. This isn't just a podcast episode. This is a whole conversation about what it means to live awake, to live honestly, to live with adventure, just question the script, to keep evolving, and to understand that maybe the hero we're looking for isn't behind us, above us, or on a pedestal somewhere. Maybe it's the version of ourselves and we're still trying to become. Strap-in legends. This is Clint Mackay part two. Let's get into it exactly where we left off.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

I 100% agree with you. You need to have the the contrast. If you don't have the contrast, it's very hard to recognize the light if you haven't been in the dark. It's and and that that's the simple piece. If you haven't been through it, life's rainbows and butterflies, what are you gonna do when a storm comes along? You haven't even felt it, you don't know what it's gonna be like. Or if you live in that storm, you don't even recognise the light. So it that that's the polarity of life. You've got to have both as well. Yeah, conquer con conquer conquer the storm. Conquer the storm.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

I'm gonna head uh keep it moving. I'm gonna head um just out of Australia for a while, and I'm gonna talk briefly that you've studied yoga around the world and and the journey began obviously when you found it here, but you ended up arriving in in places like India.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I spent a lot of time in India, and um that's a very, very different world, and I don't think you can go to India and remain unchanged.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Yeah. Is but was yoga part of India schools, didn't that?

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yoga's was created by the Hindus. So yoga's been around for 2,000 plus years, and it was, you know, actually more than that. And and that was that was where I studied first up in Rishikesh, it's the it's where r yoga was discovered and where yoga was found. So that's the it's the birthplace of yoga. Um everyone's sort of taking their own little little span from it, and it's a it's a really interesting thing when you start to look at India and uh when f for instance, the more you learn uh and you find things like there's 12 years of Jesus' life where it's not very documented, and that's where you find that he actually went to India and spent time around the Hindus and people like this before returning. Before returning back. Um so there's a lot of wisdom that they've had. Um and of course, of course, India has its own problems, but it's a it's very humbling. Um and the people are incredible. The the the Indians there that that I've met, I've met a lot of absolutely life-changing people, and some of the most centred and enlightened people that I in in my life have all been there. Uh that being said, I I I will never forget one of uh one of the gentlemen that I I trained under there or trained with actually we're we're training in bed, uh a second series um Ashtanga, which is not very many people actually ever ever even get into that as a practice, rather than as a teacher training there. But um I just was watching this guy and I was quite in awe and I said to him, I said, Pradeep, I said, I I just I watch how how centered you are and and how you're able to be so present. You know, he he was somebody asked him a question and he didn't say a word. He finished eating his food, put his knives and forks down, turned in Dad Moore's thro his attention and says, Can you please start again so that I can be present with you? And that was his demeanor, right? Wow. Yeah, and I watched him and I said to him, I said, This is really incredible. I I just I'm so impressed. And he said, It's very easy to be enlightened when you live in an ashram. And and I and I thought it's a it's a it's something think about, right? Like so many of us we see the the sages or we see the Instagram life when we don't take into consideration the whole, which is his responsibility was teach yoga and meditation and then practice yoga and meditation. His food was provided, his accommodation was propo provided, that was his life, right? And that's what he said. He said, I doubt how I would go living in your world where I have to pay bills and look after children and and turn up for work. He said it's very easy for me to to be centered when that's all I'm focused around. And there's there's gold in that. I think there's gold on both parts. One is it's a brilliant piece of uh understanding that you know what, the rest of us aren't going to get it right all the time. And the second part is maybe we need to return to doing less rather than focusing on doing more, and we maybe maybe we need to focus less on what the world sees as success and more on what we see as success for ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

I think that brings that subject we're talking on in the green room before the podcast, Clint, about um I said to you, I'm the brokest I've ever been, but the happiest. Because there's there's nothing stressed. So yeah, I actually this podcast has kept me busy. I do do a little bit of uh concrete resurfacing. But most times I'm um uh lying down, catching up on my sleep in the afternoon, because it does actually take take a fair bit out of you the kidney disease and the dialysis. But I I really have to think of things to do during the day. Um and it's it's it's quite in it it's quite an incredible feeling, and I'm always pinching myself there. Why didn't I do this earlier in my life?

SPEAKER_03 13:41

Here's the thing. So I I was with my personal trainer yesterday and uh he asked how my children were going. Like my son's just finished school, and I said, uh, he's spending some time at the moment thinking about what he's going to do. Like he's he is working, um, he's he's he's working, he's got actually two jobs, he's doing doing well, and he's he's getting ready to move out of home. And I said, and I I said to him, I said, I worry sometimes because we've created life so good for the for our children that they don't want to leave home. I said, so so there's there's a negative aspect of of that. But what a privilege that uh of the world we live in, where our children, or even us at any age now, get to ask ourselves the simple question of what is it that I want to do? We're not so focused on survival that we we've actually got time to go, hey, what do I actually want to do with my life? What do I want to do today? How do I want to feel? And and although I know that there's people that go, yeah, maybe I I I don't have that. I'm I'm working day to day and I'm I'm I'm working and living paycheck to paycheck. But there is still an opportunity to ask yourself, hey, with what I have going on, how can I decide how I want to feel? And if I could decide it, what would that be? And in my spare time, how would I wish to spend it? Because it's no longer we're we've a lot of times changed and a lot of good things have actually happened where we can take that time to go, you know what? I've got two hours spare. I'm gonna go to the gym this afternoon. The gym, but the gym I go to is absolutely packed. And what a what a great place to be around people that are motivated and actually they're building well, they're all essentially anyone that's at the gym I call them all bodybuilders. That's it, that's really what they're doing. They're building their bodies and carving their minds. Maybe. But what a beautiful privilege that we and I think we should really look at it as a privilege, that um we actually have the opportunity to say, what do I want to do? Because boredom's a a stroke of genius. And and uh I think this the systems above us of social medias and uh of distractional techniques, they keep us in a place where kids don't get bored anymore. W who who gets bored? You pull out your phone and you and you and you're lost watching watching some kid get kicked in the nuts on Instagram. Yeah. It's an interesting piece, right? Like we we we've taken away the boredom and and and we've taken away the curiosity in life, and I don't think because of that, I don't think there's a lot of things that have necessarily improved. Whereas particularly men, I think are problem solvers, and if you get if if we just gave the gave some of the people with more time, some issues to solve, or some self-awareness to reflect on of how we can improve the world, maybe we actually would.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Yeah, and our boredoms, our boredoms now fell into bullshit. I I I can honestly say that, and I get caught because I go and lay on my bed and then all of a sudden I'm scrolling. I mean, a lot of the time I'm I'm trying to market the podcast and think of ideas and you know, how can I get more people listening? But predominantly I'm looking at my screen where you know that the best thing Carly says to me to do is go out in the sunlight and do 20 minutes of yoga. Absolutely. And you feel a lot, you probably won't go back and lie in your bed after you do it because that'll be your rest.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Absolutely. Absolutely. Look, you we could all resonate with times in our life where you have these epiphanies, right? You you're you'll be doing something. It's usually in the shower, and we're where you finally become present, you've had a stressful long day, you can feel the water on you, and you actually can feel every bit. You can hear the shower running, you can feel the water touching you, you've just come into presence, and you're like, I know how to fix that thing. I know how to do that. And it's just dropped in, and and it's it's a really, really interesting piece because I don't think the minds within our in our body, I think we more act as antennas, the draw down from the uh ether. Um, this is my personal perspective, is that I think we if we're in tune, right? Like if our brain's in tune, like a TV antenna, we can draw down whatever we want. But if we're not in tune and we're distracted, if we're filling us filling our mind with brainwashing of, as I say, watching kids get kicked in the nuts on on Instagram, which that seems to be what's on there, we're falling to the lowest denominator and really s going back to a default setting. So we're not tuning into anything higher, we're not tuning into, hey, there's there's an opportunity of how we can improve our life or improve the life of somebody else, or actually find something that's that's deeply fulfilling rather than just this uh cheap heat of dopamine. Don't get me wrong, it's time for cheap hits of dopamine. I think we all. Yeah. Absolutely. But the addiction that gets trapped in this is uh is something I think is uh it's an epidemic. It's it's it's a dangerous epidemic that is addictive and it's stealing people's connection, and it's stealing people's creativity, and it's stealing the opportunity we have to really, really make a change for ourselves, for society, for the world and the people that matter to us the most.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

And I know it'd be another podcast, but and I don't want to get too into that side of it, but it's all by design.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Absolutely. Yeah, look, you can go down that wormhole whenever you want. It's it's absolutely by design. Like, and and the more and more you look at these things, and I I don't think that I'm the uh the brightest person on on the on the planet, but I'm definitely not the stupest. And then I I uh see some of these other I call them, well, they are geniuses, and you see some of the a genius at work that may have been brainwashed into a certain field. They're incredible. And look they they they discovered this stuff in MK Ultra when they when they did these experiments in the 60s, that they could break someone in 45 minutes that they could have that person commit murder. They could actually brainwash them within 45 minutes of using their techniques and and have them commit murder, right? What do you think's happening when somebody else has an agenda and we can't pretend that we all don't have agendas? You and I are talking about our worldview right now, which is the same as anyone else's agenda, and we know that there's, let's say, darken dark dark agendas in the world. If that has any space in your mind, well, essentially it's brainwashing you in a direction you don't want to go.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Absolutely, mate. And it will be another topic on a podcast because it we'll go to next level with Carly on it. Because I could I could talk, and uh you know what I'm getting? Um a lot of a lot of listeners are now uh spend time thinking I was a nutcase, but now they're sort of starting to say, Oh, you could be half right now about what I've been banging on for the last five years. But anyway, the episode of Who is Your Hero is proudly brought to you by Rebel Wellness. Now listen up, legends, if you've been trying to fix your health, but nothing seems to stick, there's a reason for that. You've been guessing. At Rebel Wellness, Clint Mackay and Shauna are doing things differently. This isn't just coaching, this is personalized health at a deeper level. Shauna specializes in epinogenic profiling, which means understanding how your body is actually responding to stress, lifestyle, and environment. No guesswork, no generic plans, you get insights into your body, not someone else's program. Then Clint brings it to life with breath work, movement, discipline, real-world application. This is where science meets self-mastery. So if you're ready to understand your body properly, reset your system, build real strength mentally and physically, head to rebel wellness 4581.com. That's rebel wellness 4581.com. And if you jump in, tell them buzz sent you.

SPEAKER_03 21:52

Oh, I totally agree. No, it's it's interesting to have that ref reflection of you know what? For more and more things. Things that happen have proved that we were on the right wavelength thing. And it's that's not for a place of ego or anything like that. It's just okay, I'm getting more confirmations that the way that I have done my life is or or have been thinking has been the better direction, you know, like and and that's that piece of even simply it's it's better to stand on your own than to stand or that than to sit with the herd. Like I'd rather stand on my own than than be sitting with the whole herd that's that's uh gonna be in trouble, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

That that is true to a true to a T. And the fact is, we've been talking about energy and antennas, and for those that want it in layman's terms, I cannot believe the last five years of my life, well, it's never living six years since it all started, that the and there's been stages in my life, I leave my ex-partner, getting kidney disease, you know, doing what I'm doing. But the energy that I'm going, or the antenna you want to say, is the people I'm meeting because of this frequency is absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

I mean I mean I meant you and your dad early by chance on a house sale. But yeah, the fact is someone something drove me to sell you a house or something drove you to buy a house. And man, we thought it was about a house. Well, the house was only the the the meeting, I think. Now there's that much further stuff that we're going to go through in life after selling that house.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Absolutely, absolutely. It's uh it it's very interesting how you start connecting the dots and you realise that every single thing is connected. I the you know, for for the the best description is that whole butterfly effect, you know, the butterfly flaps its wings and it creates a ripple in China. And I d strongly, strongly accept that, you know, and I looked a little bit into string theory and how essentially the shortcut of my understanding of string theory is very similar to a butterfly effect. Every single thing is attached in some sort of a way energetically. I don't think it's attached by little tiny spiderwebs that moves everything around, and that's been well and truly disproven. But the idea I think is correct. There's and and I've seen this play out many, many times uh in in my life where something will happen or I'll act a certain way, and there'll be repercussions from that that seem to be, there seem to be no connection. And then you're like, oh, that makes sense. Okay, what was that to me? What like for instance, uh I years ago I had all of my tools stolen off my car. And I and years later, I was like, that's such a random thing to have happen. All of my tools stolen. I was like, I wonder what and I just reflected, I went, what was I doing at that time? And I went, okay, that makes sense. I understand why my tools got stolen. Yeah, yeah, you deserved it. It's like a hundred percent, a hundred percent. And I don't think anyone, I don't think anything or anyone goes through our life without being punished for what we do, good or bad. I think I think I think everything good that you do, you will get rewarded for. And I think that everything bad you do, you will also get punished for. And if you don't see it in this life, it will be in the next.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

So absolutely. Moving along, um, just a little bit here. You spent time in Lightning Ridge. Uh, that place, obviously, fame, famous, you know, for characters. I had the privilege of coming up and seeing you about the house and go by I didn't see you, actually, that's where I met your father. You were you're out of town. Um, what a couple of questions low, is we'll make it quick because I've got a few things I want to get through, and we're hitting an hour ten. There'll be a couple of episodes of this. But um, what what did that town teach about life? And do places like Lightning Ridge show us something we've lost in the cities?

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Oh, absolutely. So there's a lot of things, two big questions there. Um what did it teach me about life? I'll start there and then we'll come back to the second question.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

That life doesn't have to look the same for everyone, and that it doesn't have to be that difficult. I it also taught me a lot about drinking. Um and I say that as the majority of people, and I I was open mining, so so open mining is an entirely different world, and it's a very, very special thing and holds a real special place in my heart. Open mining does. Um, it's an absolute adventure every day, and what that teaches me is that you can live an adventure every day. And that's adventure is one of my values. It's it's I I had to shift my values, and adventure's right up the top because I had to remove freedom. Um, but it taught me taught me life can be an adventure. It taught me that.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

So can I just can I just stop you there? You said you removed freedom and replaced it with the bench in.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

No, did I get that wrong? Yeah, that's that that's correct, yeah. Well, I spent a lot of time examining my values, and I and I think uh this is something that people don't do enough of, and and putting them in hierarchical status too, so of what matters most. And for a long time I had freedom right up the top, and I was wondering why my life was problematic. Uh because I do I think it's it's there, I think it's definitely in my top ten values, but it's not at the top. Because what I've found is if I need to if it's number one and I need to be absolutely free, I'm a pretty shitty partner and I'm a pretty shitty father. Because that would mean that I don't have to answer to anyone. I don't, I get to do what I want when I want. And that's kind of the philosophy of a two-year-old. Uh where you get to do what you want when you want without dangerous repercussions, or get upset and throw a tantrum when there is repercussions, that's not a great philosophy for life, right? But what I've also found with my values is I think for me, I think for me, that my values need to be able to be sustainable every day. Uh, because if you're going through your life and and we're all going to go through parts of our life where tragedy's gonna struck, we're gonna be, we're gonna be injured, we could be disabled, we could lose a a close friend or a parent. We tend to double down on the pain if you know that you're not adhering to your values throughout those times, right? So let's let's say um uh you're you're got a really strong code of ethics and and and you and one of your values might be truth, and and it's right up the top, truth's truth's really high, but you kind of need to, because you were broke, you kind of needed to manipulate a situation uh to to make sure that you got the win out of it, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Which which happens. Not only are now you're broke and you're suffering from that, you're also suffering because you went against your values. Now, that's that's a bit of a wild death jump in to try and explain it. No, but it makes makes sense. So so what I've done is there's been a number of things that I had to shift because I also had happiness right up the top. I had freedom and happiness, and I found that if my parents die, I can't stick by my happy by my values and be happy. I can't do that. I I can't be in that place and and then you know you go through a tragedy and you go, and I'm not even sticking by your values, and that's subconscious, and it gets at you and eats eats underneath that. But if I've got things like adventure, truth, love, they're things that I can do all of the time, no matter what. And and that's in death, that's in in injury, that's in whatever it happens to be. There's still an adventure within that, because adventure is a chosen path that's rugged.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

So so that's that's the only difference between between adventure and torture is that you choose one of them.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Well, it makes you know, I've uh always always said freedom, freedom, freedom. And yeah, but when you put it in that perspective, it's completely different because I was I've been living the Freeman freedom life for the last four years or five years and not answering to anyone, nor government, nor police for that matter. And uh but I have been having a massive adventure. So I I like it. As a parent on an adventure with children, you're taking those children on an adventure with you. Absolutely. You're killing two birds of the one stone, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

And and me shifting shifting these things around, and and I guess some of these things come with age that you need to go through through the contrast of seeing what what the tetramental impacts of your own life velocity do along the path to be able to reassess and change it as as as we grow. But being able to shift that and go, I still I I'm still a freedom finder. Like I I absolutely but that doesn't mean that I have to be free of my responsibilities to look after my family. That doesn't mean I have to be free of my responsibilities to my children or free of my responsibilities here, because I think the more b the more responsibility we voluntarily assume, the better our life gets as well. Yeah. But I also 100% will not submit, will not be a slave. I will not submit to like I I I do not accept that anyone has authority over me. Do not do not accept that in the slightest.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Yeah, and uh a pretty similar, I mean, just driving. I I went and got some it's got Crab Life by the Balls charity on it, the golf club. It's a sunny coast based charity where it's to get men talking, swinging a golf club. It's a great concept. And I bought this on this afternoon and I went and picked up the um the donations or the sponsorship from the local uh from Rob and Katie who have got the Australian Hotel near in Towns, and they're a big advocate of men, men's and women's mental health. And I'm driving into the pub uh probably around nine o'clock, eight thirty, nine o'clock, peak hour. I have a lot of things to do today, but talk to you, edit a podcast, and go and play golf. Um, and I've driving through and all these people have got this numb look on their face, driving their cars, using their phones, the whole thing, and they're going to be a slave for the day. Yes. And I'm thinking, and they're running red lights, and they're doing this, and I'm just cruising in a 60 dome driving 50 because I've got a fun time. But the more I'm looking into this thing, and my life is an adventure now, of course, but they're all in this this this matrix of slavery. It is, and they all look they all look unhappy and they've probably just dropped their kids at childcare. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Have you seen the exp the experiment or the the the the photos that were put together, a guy did him where he edited out the phones out of people's hands? And you start look, oh, it's very incredible. Because so what he's done is he's taken photos in crowds, and um there's he's removed all of the phones out of people's hands, and all of a sudden you just see these people looking sad, just looking at their hands, and you start seeing that we're living in a dystopian nightmare of that that I I unfortunately think it's a I don't know the percentage, but it's a huge percentage of people that I I just think are non-player characters. They're they're they're there, the lights are on, but no one's home, and they're not questioning things, they're moving through life, they die at 50, they just keep paying taxes until they're 75. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, good summary.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

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SPEAKER_03 34:48

Scary when you see it. It's scary when you see it. And there's there's a lot of people that want out but just don't know how. Um and I think this is comes back to that piece earlier that contemplation is where it all begins. For me, I think the more we contemplate, the more chance we've got. But it's quite heartbreaking. And something that that actually breaks my heart when people say it is I say if I go down to the shops or wherever I, anywhere that there's um someone working that's doing retail and I'm buying something, I say, how's your day gone? And they say something like, Oh, yeah, it's it's uh it's been really busy, so that's great, which means the day's over to the quick. And I think myself, you're wishing away your day, and you could get hit by a car on the way home. You're like, you're selling, you're giving away your life for a job that you clearly hate because you're you you you you didn't say you're you're excited about how fun it was to have the interactions you were talking with. You said how busy it was, which it makes the day go fast. That were the words that you use. And there's two things. One, either you really meant it and you hate your job, or two, you repeated it from someone else, so you're really brainwashed and you didn't even take it on. So it's a it's that b bothers me when I hear it because I'm I hear that from a lot of people, and I I I think you know, we have the vole, we've been put here by the gods, and we've been given the opportunity to contemplate our own philosophy, and that's something created by man. Now I would say that contemplating and discovering, and then uh uncovering our philosophy is an act of God. We've evolved into gods on earth, and we're wishing our time and wishing death closer. That that there's something wrong with that. There's something darkly wrong with that.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

I um I sort of well I'm busy doing things I love doing now, and I get get I got my little puppy now, there's another thing I could talk about. I got given a stray dog and I didn't want a dog, but um God, I don't I don't know who saved who or what I would have done without her. You know, it's like it was like meeting Carly. I I after the last partnership I had down in Melbourne, I didn't want another girlfriend or anything like that. But then the the the energy presented me, Carly, you know, I I couldn't have picked anything better for comfort in life than that. And I'm going, how the hell did this happen? But I go at it's 5 30, 6 o'clock, gets dark up here in Townsville quite quickly, as as it does in Brisbane. But I go into hop into bed pretty early and I think, bloody hell, it's over already. You know what I mean? I'm I'm going to sleep again and I don't want to, and I'm looking you know what I mean? And it's just fun.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

It's it's always interesting. I mean, we have a very different lifestyle in the way that my wife and myself would do things. And we've got the the little one now which absorbs a lot of time just watching her play. But um we we don't I don't think I've even got the TV in our house plugged in. Like there's there's no aerial on it, so we don't occasionally we'll put a a Netflix on or something when um when my older kids are here. But we we don't watch movies, we don't watch TV, and I don't part of the reason is we just don't have the time for it. And it's not and it's not that we're like we're semi-retired, so it's yeah, you know, like today today I'm on this podcast and I've and I've been to what I call big yoga. I did big yoga the day. Um and uh my wife she's uh gone for a walk with a friend and she did little yoga today. Um and now now I think she's so but the day all of a sudden like it's it disappears. And uh but it's but I'm definitely not wishing that time away, but the uh the the days seem to disappear very, very fast.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

They do. Now I'm kinda heading into the last five questions and they're short answer questions. Um just just to uh yeah, well, no, well they're sort of one liner. Well, it doesn't matter if they're ten liners, but before I go there, what do you what are you and Shauna doing at the moment? Uh is there anything you want to talk about that oh I think she stopped her cooking. Are you running any courses in that at the moment, or just um anything you want to that uh might help the listeners if they want to get in contact with you?

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Mate, um I do some free coaching, um life lifestyle slash business coaching. So anyone that wants to reach out in that space, for sure, I'm more than happy to help in in any way that I can. Uh that being said, there's everything that is done in that space is full accountability. If if people aren't ready to change, they don't get very much of my time. Um because I'm giving it for free. My wife, she does epigenetic profiling, so that's that's her baby. She loves to do that, so it's all to do with health, uh, all to do with your genetics, and and it helps people in that space, and that's that's her little main passion piece. So she's not running cooking skills at the moment because we've dedicated a lot of the time time to the baby. Um we we have businesses that are under management, so I say we're we're semi-retired. I've got a great manager who is running our motel business and our Airbnb business as well, and they're ticking along. So if anyone's looking for brilliant places to stay, Emerald Motel Apartments in Emerald, and uh, you should be able to look up there, you'll speak to Mitch and he'll send you in the right direction because we've got some property and things out there. Um there's always there's always little things on on the uh go. Like I'm I'm I've been spending a lot of time in the silver market, so I've been playing with that, which has been great. And I've also just started playing with copper, but that's not that's none of that's a sales pitch, that's just what I've been filling the extra bits and pieces with. Um and then the rest of the time is surfing training and and uh yoga, my friend.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

Well, that is a beautiful part to be in. Um, yeah, so anyone that that wants to uh reach out, uh I think you've got no websites or anything like that, have you, they can get in touch with you? Not really.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Uh yeah, rebel wellness. If you're able to find uh a lot of the outer stuff on Rebel Wellness, I'll just check out it what that is actually uh so I can't remember the exact web it's rebel wellness 4581.com.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

4581.com. I'll put that in the notes of the podcast. Good on you, brother. I'll I'll come I'll land at home with a few questions and then my final question I ask every guest, but who's been the biggest influence in your life?

SPEAKER_03 41:22

I I I don't know if there's I didn't say they were gonna be easy. No, no, that's that's uh that's a huge question. Biggest influence in my life. It's it's gonna have to be my father. It is actually gonna have to be my father. I work I worked with Greg for 20 years nearly. Um I learned learn a lot of good things and I I learned a lot of things that differently and and gave me reason to question a lot more things as well. So that's that's there's been a number of instrumental people um that have been brilliant throughout my life. Another one was uh Terry Creevy, a very good close friend of mine. I worked with him for a long time and he was lots of lots of laughs, lots and lots of nonsense, and and some brilliant little gems of wisdom as well.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Beautiful. Has your idea of a hero changed with you as you've gotten older?

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Definitely. That's that's that's I think as as I was younger, I I idolized a lot of people that I thought had made it. And I I thought these people were heroic, and then I realized that I you you can't just glorify one part of the equation without understanding the rest. And then I also realized that when you see some of your people that you admire take a little fall from grace and and act in ways that they may not necessarily be gods, uh, there's there's lessons in that as well. So I so I've learned to be careful not to pedestal people uh like I once did. But yeah, that being said, there's there's still some brilliant pieces and a lot to learn from everyone.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

That's uh that is damn truth, right there, and it's a it's a great thing to be very, very careful who you do idolise as a hero because hero a lot of heroes are unseen that I found out in my life now, and you know, it's not always the ones in bells and whistles and up there with all the money in the so-called elites, um, which is uh doing what they like in this world, the arseholes. I'll say, I'll keep moving, though. Who is somebody who is someone in your life that deserves more recognition?

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Um, my wife, 100%. 100% my wife does. Um a lot of people have known me for a long time and uh have seen different parts. I and and I would say, let's let's just call it, they see the Instagram story and go, oh yeah, you're doing this, you're doing that, you're doing whatever else here. Um without what without her influence, uh, I can become off track very, very quickly. And I say that is because not very many people. Offer me constructive feedback that may maybe I'm not quite open up to, or maybe they just don't offer it as we spoke about earlier. But but I deeply respect her her opinions, her feelings, and often she's incredibly spot on. And you you'll be finding this with um Callie too, that yeah, I have a deep deep sense of intuition, and I I think particularly particularly mothers, um, then my my wife's uh a new mum. We've got a baby that's uh 13 months old, mothers have a direct source or a direct connection with source. Um and I think it's really important for mothers that they have this, they they somehow have this extra deep connection to be able to absorb and continue to find energy when the rest of us couldn't. Like if I know right now that if I rang my mum and I said I need a hug right now, uh, even if she was in Pr, she wouldn't quit. She'd find the energy, she'd find the resources, and she'd come here knowing that I wouldn't have asked had it not been serious. So she could know and find the resources and the energy, and I think that happens to mums in particular. And I see that uh that that through my through my wife that she has a beautiful connection to source, and I and I think that needs uh more recognition than than it gets.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

Can I just go um a a bit more with that when you mention the Carly gets it? Some of the questions you used to ask me early on the piece, I'd get really defensive and almost angry with what are you asking me that for? And get a little bit upset. But now she and it's not nothing to hurt me, nothing to um not trust me or anything like that, but just questioning parts of my life and and now I'm going, you know what? They're fucking they're fucking great questions and no one's ever asked them to me.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Absolutely. Yeah, it's there's so much to that, like not very many of us are great at being the arbiters of our own thoughts, right? Like we get on the get on the train, like it's like I want to buy a highlights, I want to buy highlights, I want to buy a highlights. You get down that train of thought and someone goes, Have you considered this? You're like, I want a highlights. Well, have you considered that that might not be the best thing for you? It might be too expensive. And often we just get so locked in without considering the peripheral vision, right? You know, you know, it's it's the same as when when I when I have a a man's look in the coven and I can't see the honey and my wife just walks in and grabs it. A different set of eyes and a different perspective can sometimes really, really censure us. And I I think life works best when uh when a woman is in her feminine and a man can be in his masculine, and both have and they both have those pieces to offer each other and they complement each other, and I and I think that that's how the world's meant to work. I I think that the the let's let's say the powers it be uh trying to masculate women and emasculate men, and I think it's burning us against each other and it's and it's degenerating our society.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Bloody hell, mate. That's a that's an hour podcast there. And it's quite monkey see monkey do. I've had I haven't been too successful in my relationships, let's face it, right?

SPEAKER_03 47:19

Um they're the hardest thing you can ever do. They're the hardest thing you can ever do.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

But when I think when I think back, and I was I I was trying to be the bascular male, look after my family and do what I gotta do and all this, you're getting questioned on it, and you're taking the questions as an attack. So that then ends up defending your ego and then a fight. But and it has taken me a little while with Carly, although we've been we've been hanging out for a couple of years now, it's taken me a little bit of why to trust that this female's not picking on me, you know what I mean? And it's it's quite what the fuck's going on here? This is really good, but what's you know, what's coming next, you know? But now I don't think about that.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

It's it's uh there's a big lessons in that. Now, if if you're if anyone's got a partner that's relatively sane, we all actually want to inspire and bring out the best in our partners. That's it, that's essentially what we fell in love with, right? You you seem the when you when when you met Callie and when she met you, they you both seen the absolute best versions of of each other, right? What we're trying to do is inspire to bring that out. What I've noticed though is very, very few of us are very good at inspiration. What we're what we tend to do is go, you fucked that up, try this again. And then we take offense to it. But but the the intent and the place that it comes from is hey, do you really need to have that sixth beer tonight? Like you you literally just yesterday said you you didn't want to drink so much, and all of a sudden you if we can drop our ego and listen and go, there's something in that, actually no, I I really don't want to do that. And and I I've again there's another whole podcast in relating and and understanding that why we defend uh our positions and why we take things personally and why it turns into a shit show when it doesn't have to.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Yeah, so if your younger self could see you now, what would he think?

SPEAKER_03 49:13

There's moments, and I've thought about this a number of times, there's a moments where 15-year-old Quint would be very, very fucking proud of himself. There's there's the there's a lot of there's definitely some moments, and then there's some moments for sure where he's going, what the fuck are you doing? So uh I I I would say I would say most mostly he's he's uh I I would be very happy with where I where I am now. And and I think it's very easy to not appreciate the things that we have in a moment, right? Because you know, 12 months ago you would have begged to be in this position often. You know, that's and and all of a sudden I I had I think I went through a bit of the uh some stuff last year, and uh this is just one of those pieces, right? I came home, I was in a shit mood, and I just had a had a bad week. And I don't even know why, but sometimes these things happen. I come into the house and I'm going, fuck this, fuck that, you're getting real angry, and I put my hands onto the car, just having a bit of a sulk. And I went, here I am complaining about my life. I've got a Subaru WRX sports car in the garage, I have five surfboards, I've got a race bike sitting there, I'm not at a job, I'm looking doing all these, and I'm still complaining. And I'm like, what right do I have to complain about something? But that's kind of part of that human condition, right? And whereas any time in the past, I would have been begging and praying to have the life that I had right in that moment.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Hmm, interesting thought, all right, buddy. This pod this podcast is built around one question, it's a final one, and everyone knows it's coming, and it means something different to every guest. I get I get different answers and I don't get the same answer. But to wind it up, Clit Mackay, who is your hero?

SPEAKER_03 51:01

Well, can I answer it in two ways? So there's uh there's uh one that my father has been, and then the second one is uh tomorrow. And that's always gonna be the case is my hero is actually the future version of me.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Well we that is the best answer, and um if you were going playing for the million dollars on television, you just would have won it because that typifies exactly why I started Who is Your Hero, mate? And after 50 podcasts and 87 episodes, I finally have someone that answered it out. I might want to dance it because you need to be so much the best version of yourself the next day, and then you be you're a hero again, and then you do it again and again and again and again.

SPEAKER_03 51:53

And and the reason I say it like that as well is it's the future version because it's uh it's it's ultimately unachievable because the the stakes keep changing. Even even if I'm like the best version of myself, there's still room to grow, there's still room to to learn and and and often the lessons come from places where you really least expect it. And uh the minute that you think you've got it, I can promise you your ego's shoved it and and uh you need to maybe go do some serve the homeless and and take a little bit of a check-in because we've lost it again.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

So absolutely, and you're learning every day. And look, we discussed this with um Tim McKea a little while ago, and for our listeners here, it's not often you have three bad days in a row. And as Clint says, have a think about what you got, what's around you. You know, if you need to go and cuddle someone or hug someone, or just sit down the street and talk to some random stranger to tell them what you're thinking about, go and do it because you know what it's like, Clint, you've been to Hallenbach. I've been to Hallenbach. There's people around everywhere you look that will that will help you if you want to be helped.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

I think the the biggest piece that I want to add to this, and uh we see this often, you know, we've got those days that are um are you okay days and all this and that. We all know that we can reach out for help. We all know that there's health there. Having like even that day, I I think I kind of laugh at it a little bit because I'm like, we all know that you can reach out for help, but what we need to start doing is being honest with ourselves. And it all starts with being honest with yourself. It's like, actually, I'm struggling. Okay, what do I need? It's not up to somebody else to go, it's not up to you to be able to be telepathic and go, oh, Clint Clint must be struggling because the moon passed whatever it happens to be. I'll give him a call. That's not up for you to do that. It's up to you to listen to me if I call you. Like if I call you and go, mate, I need to talk to you. Yeah. All right, I'm busy right at the moment, but is it serious? Because I'll drop it if it's serious. Let's go. You know what I mean? That's that's how my my version of that is. But I think if we're all honest and truthful with ourselves, we can connect back in and go, actually, in this moment, this is what I need. And maybe it is yoga on the beach. Maybe it is I'm from a friend. Maybe it's yeah, maybe I haven't said something to someone that really needs to hear it. Maybe you got and and the next part of that, be honest with yourself and then listen to where you feel it in your body. So if you feel it in your throat, for instance, you know, you're feeling something, you're getting, maybe you need to tell someone something. There's something that usually you want to speak to, you know, or but maybe you're hungry, you know, whatever it happens to be. But if we if we start with honesty with ourselves, we've got half a chance.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

Yeah, and I think getting back to ownership, don't be afraid to own your mistakes. Don't be afraid to apologize and and fess up for the uh things you've done wrong in life, because that doesn't matter if you can uh if you can make a difference somewhere. Clint, thanks very much for coming on. For those that want to take this further or have a chat to Clinton Sharon down the track, don't forget web rebel wellness4581.com. Um if you're serious about change, and let me tell you, with both Greg and and uh Clint, if you're not serious, they haven't got time for you, and that is a fact. Thanks for coming on, mate. Um I'll I'll deploy this up. That's an hour and 40 minutes, that's three episodes, so it's amazing how quick you can talk. And and the story, the story time on a Friday afternoon, mate. Uh you know, two years ago, I'd be probably eight pints deep of Guinness at a pub somewhere in Australia, um, ready to go and buy a bag somewhere and really ruin the weekend. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I I can relate it. Yeah. And if I if I was in that, if I was in that space so much, I wouldn't be doing a podcast. I wouldn't be storytelling with people around the street and around the world. I love doing it. I love catching up with you, my friend. And um we'll talk soon, brother. Thanks. Thanks, Hate.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

All right, thank you very much, Matt. Good work that you're doing, and uh, let's do this again. It was fun.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Awesome, bro. Catch ya. Enjoy your that was part two with Clint Kai, and there's a lot to take in there. That wasn't just a conversation, that was a perspective. From India to lightning ridge, from pain to presence, from tracing freedom to understanding what actually matters. Clint bought real depth, real honesty, real life experience to this one. And I reckon one of the biggest takeaways is so many of us are busy but not present, distracted but not fulfilled, chasing something without even knowing what it is. Sometimes the answer isn't doing more, it's slowing down, thinking, and getting clear on what actually matters to you. Then we hit that final question: who is your hero? And Clint nailed it not someone on a pedestal, not someone from the past, the future version of himself. And that's damn powerful. Because it means the work never stops, it means we keep growing, it means we keep showing up and getting better day by day. So to take something for this one, reflect on it, talk about it, live it. This is Who is Your Hero, I'm Buzz. Thanks again, Clint, for trusting me with your story. And remember, hero up your future itself.