All about Lucas

In this episode, we open up our hearts and share the story of Lucas—who he is, what he means to us, and how his life has shaped ours in ways we never expected. This is more than just a story; it’s a journey through love, challenges, growth, and the moments that changed us forever. 

We talk honestly about the highs and lows, the questions we’ve wrestled with, and the strength we’ve had to find along the way. Through it all, we’ve seen how even the hardest seasons can carry purpose, and how faith and love can hold you together when everything feels uncertain. 

This episode is deeply personal, a little vulnerable, and full of the kind of truth that connects us all—because sometimes the stories closest to our hearts are the ones that need to be told the most. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Hi everybody and welcome back to Stillwalking. I'm Thomas. And I'm Michelle. And today's topic is going to be a little bit different for us. Usually we have a standard point of something that, you know, things that we've gone through, this, that, and whatever to kind of help other people. But today's a little bit different because today's topic is going to be about Lucas. Which is one of our favorite topics to talk about because, you know, he's great. Anybody that knows him knows he's a good kid. But there are some things that we've gone through as a family, both of us with Lucas in the past several years that we've had to traverse as parents and everything else that we think might be beneficial and helpful to anybody that might have kids. Um, even more prominent now because over the past several months, we've entered a new chapter in our lives. We have. And we're going to get into that. Um, but first we're going to start with a little prayer. Um, Lord, we thank you for this day you've given us. We thank you for this time on this platform. Lord, guide us, lead us, and give us the words to sit to speak out and say. Touch the hearts and minds of those that are listening to where, if anything that they are needed, let them know that it is from you and that they can apply it to help themselves. But ultimately, let them know that it is from you, Lord. We thank you for this day and this time. We thank you for your blessings. We thank you for continuing to keep your hand upon us. In Jesus' name, amen. Um, so for the most part, Lucas was just your average kid growing up, no big deal. We raised him, everything. Any parent that knows, up until they get to, you know, teenagehood or anything like that, that's when things start becoming more of a challenge. Because that's when they start coming into their own, they start having their own ideas, mindsets, things like that. And anything before that is just a you know, kid, you tell them no, you correct them, you give them treats, things, and you know, anything like that. And it's it's it's not anything because you know you're raising a kid, no big deal. Um, but over the past several years, because I think we've mentioned it before, Lucas is 18 now, so he's an adult, he's grown, he's his own person. Uh, but up until the last several years, probably since after COVID and everything, is when some issues have started to arrive have arose, and we've had to traverse them together. And um as parents, some of the situations was very heartbreaking and very scary and sad. Um, let me let me prelude some of these things that we're gonna talk about with ultimately at the end of the day, you have to raise your kids and do for your kids whatever you feel is best. Not what other people are telling you what you should do or what they think you should do. In some cases, you might agree and you might apply that. Power to you, if it works, praise be to God. But ultimately, at the end of the day, it is your responsibility. You have to do what you feel is best for you, your family, and your kids, first and foremost. Um, that being said, one of the first major things that had started the past couple years was um Lucas got into about where he started acting different, not himself. Very secluded, very quiet, very not, it wasn't him. Anybody that knows Lucas knows he's a sweet, loving, outgoing, laughy, daffy, funny kid. Um, we knew something was going on because when he started getting secluded and started withdrawing very heavily, it was in the summertime. And anybody that knows Ohio weather in the summertime, it can go from 40 degrees to 95 overnight. And that's kind of what started happening. And in the middle of summer, when it's really, really hot out, he started wearing long sleeve shirts, pants, uh stuff that's not typical Lucas, because even now when it's like 10 degrees out, Lucas is gonna wear shorts if he can. Shorts and crocs. That's that's the boy. He's that's insane. So the fact that he's wearing pants in 90 degree weather, something was wrong. We'd ask him about it, you know, you okay what's going on? No, I'm fine, I'm fine, you know. We knew something was up, we just didn't know what. Until the one time after a couple weeks, we finally like something's going on, you know. What is happening? What is going on? Um, we made him reveal to us because we had him, you know, put shorts on, as it were, to see what's going on with the legs and stuff, because he never had anything covered. Well, come to find out, he was in a depressive state where and he was cutting himself. And we're not just talking a couple little scratches here and there, whatever. A couple of those looked like they probably could have used stitches. I mean, he was cutting deep, he was going bad, but he was doing it on his arms, uh upper arms with the long sleeves, that way nothing, you know, short sleeve wouldn't cut up, and on his upper thighs, on his legs and wearing pants, so that way he wouldn't get caught. That's a telltale sign for anybody with a depressive state or a mental thing, is they do things and they try to alter what they're doing to try to hide it. I'm a firm believer, and she agrees. I believe she agrees with me because we've known people like that. Anyone who goes to a state like that, you know, they do something like down here or whatever, and be like, yeah, I cut myself like there's usually not nothing mental about that. That's just for look at me, look at me, it's a show thing. Feel sorry for me, pay me. Which that needs its own help in its own right, because there's an issue there for why they're craving some kind of attention. But somebody in this state, because I I've had dealings in the mental in the medical field and working with people with mental issues and stuff. Anybody who does things like that in a manner and trying to hide it, there's a legitimate concern and issue there that needs to be addressed. For some reason, he had it in his head that I don't know where the idea came from. He was talking online with a lot of different random different people and different things and everything. Somehow he got in his head that he felt like me and her was constantly always like mad at him, aggravated, angry, didn't care for him very much, and things of that nature. And with anybody that knows us knows that that is the farthest thing from the truth. Lucas is our everything. Everything we do is with the mindset of providing for him, doing better for him, you know, for her. He he is everything to us. Um he was hiding kit, he was taking going in the middle of the night, getting kitchen knives out of the drawer, taking them to his room, hiding them, you know, doing things at night, you know, and everything and hiding everything. Um it became a real, it was a real issue, a real problem. Um we we got him some help, had him talk to somebody, had him go to see something, you know, see the doctor and everything. And everything seemed to be better. He got stopped doing it. We got we cleaned out his room, got everything. Um, he said he was feeling better in his head, he said he was feeling all right, you know, because we kept checking on him, kept trying to drag him out of his room, you know, hey, do this with this, we can get you out of that head space. That way he doesn't rearcy head again because anybody with mental issues knows that if you, you know, you say you're getting better, but if you're by yourself and withdraw too much, it's easy to fall back into that. It's easy to go right back into that state and inadvertently not know it just becomes a routine thing. Um, so we thought we had a hint on that. He was doing better, he was doing fine. We actually, for a little bit, um actually had him camped out in the living room so we could keep a better eye on him because you know, no doors and everything, just keeping a visual eye on him, making sure he was fine, you know. We was doing what we thought was best for him. Um, there was people in our lives who was telling us, you know, you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to take him to this, you need to. And some of it we kind of partially agreed with, but some of it we didn't, because a lot of it came from a religious mindset aspect. Um, yes, God can take care of anything if you pray, give it to him, and everything. He absolutely can. But some of the people in our lives who was telling us that are totally against the idea of mental health professionals talking to somebody, even getting on medicine. They're totally against that. They think it's not scriptural, it's not godly, it's wrong. Um, I argued that with this. God has given us that knowledge for a reason. He's let us explore and study and get to that, get to that point knowing about the human body and the mind and all that stuff for a reason. Um, even Jesus himself walked with a physician. Luke was a physician, Luke was a doctor. So it wasn't so naive to think that you can get help outside of it's okay to go talk to somebody. It's okay to get on medicine. That's fine. That's okay. Just try not to get too dependent on it after you get to a stable spot. You know, try to get to a healthy spot and try to, you know, take a step back to try to maintain off of it. You know what I'm saying? Um so we fast forward for a little bit. Um during that time when we talked to him better, we keep a check on him. He's doing better, he said he's doing fine. Um there there was an issue where we haven't where we were there was there were some issues where we were we were talking to somebody, not for ourselves, but trying to get an outside uh perspective on some things, on you know, different dealings we were having with different people and stuff. And actually part of it was about Lucas and the issues we were, you know, all that stuff, trying to get you know help for us on as parents on what a third eye kind of a thing, you know what I'm saying? Um after after we got some good help and talk and some good advice and everything, this gentleman came and started talking to Lucas himself because he you know thought that he could help Lucas with some stuff. Well, during the course of him meeting with Lucas and conversations, uh Lucas revealed to him that a couple months prior to him talking to him, Lucas made an attempt on his own on his life at night while everybody was in bed. Um he did something, uh he went to bed, and that was it. He woke up and the attempt failed. Thank you, Jesus. Um, so I firmly believe God had a hand in that. God had a hand in that because everybody's God has a plan for everybody's life, and I think the plan on that boy's life is something that's going to be great for somebody someday. So God had a protection about him, he had his hand on him, and he let hopefully he let that attempt fail. Um as parents, that devastated us, that killed us, because we didn't know. The fact that we didn't know really got to us, related us, really did something to us. But if anybody goes to anything with their kids, don't beat yourself up, beat yourself up over it. Because a lot of times, if there is a legitimate problem and issue, there's a lot of times you won't know. Because kids are good, or even adults, they're good at hiding, not making it out known if there's an actual problem because they want to deal with it themselves or they want to do something to themselves and they don't want to buy to know. They're very secretive, very cunning, and very smart. Um, but now we here we are a couple years later after the fact, and he's fine. He's good in a good mental mental state, good, good space in his head, hasn't done nothing to himself, hasn't made no more attempts on himself. So on that front, we are doing great. We keep praying for him like we're supposed to. We keep him in God's hands, we pray blessings about him, we pray over him, and God's will on that boy's life because we know he's got something powerful for him. And if he didn't, he wouldn't be here. Um he's a good, loving kid. Everybody loves him that knows him. Uh, people at the church we go to, they seek him out for a hug because they know what they say he gives the best hugs. He does. Which he does. He's he's he's a good boy. Um during that time, for all that stuff, we was be we was given a lot of advice by people, friends, family, people that went to church, what we should do, what we should, what they felt we shouldn't do, um, what the Bible had to say about this, instance, that instance. And I never discredited a lot for their heart, what for a lot of them, their hearts weren't in the right place. They want what was best for him. But at the end of the day, we had to do what we felt was best for us and for him. We had to handle it a way that we felt we needed to handle it, and we did. Uh, we did take some advice for some people for a couple things, but it wasn't a whole lot because, like I said, we had to do what we felt we had to do. Um, we we gave it to the Lord, we gave it to God. We felt like he was guiding us, leading us on what to do. Uh the gentleman that we was talking to that I alluded to that ended up talking to Lucas, we felt the Lord opened a door that led us to him to talk to him and have him come to Lucas. Um, so no, I it's okay to seek outside help sometimes for things. Sometimes somebody who doesn't know anything about the situation, somebody who you're just explaining things to can give you a fresh perspective on it. Because a lot of times people, friends, family, anything like that, they're too close to the situation to give you completely unbiased advice. So it's okay to seek help, it's okay to look outside family, friends, the church. It's okay to seek somebody completely fresh that knows nothing about you. That's completely fine. Don't limit yourself on what you can do for yourself and your kids just because of what other people might say, or if they might get mad because you're not taking their advice or anything like that. You got to do what you feel you need to do, what's best for the kids, yourself, your family. You got to do what's best to keep for for you guys. That's first and foremost. Um, yeah, God's got a plan for everybody because, like we all did to the one episode when she had her batt with the real bad postpartum. Uh that in itself is a grace that her and Lucas were both still here. So God's had his hand on our family for forever, for a long, long time, for since the time we've been together. He's had his hand over Lucas for that time, because Lucas was just a baby when she went through her, she had her issue and everything. But God guided her, God helped, good, good now. Lucas is still here. God guided us with his issues, he's still here. We're all doing well. We're doing good by the grace of God, and we're gonna continue to do better. We're gonna continue to do better. Yes, we're gonna get better. Just kind of seguing on that. You don't ever want to stay where you're at, you want to strive to do better, and that's what we're trying to do. Um, the most recent trial and thing that we've got going on in our lives now, and then this is a sore topic for a lot of people, everybody's got an opinion on it. Um shortly before Lucas turned 18. It wasn't too long, it was just a couple weeks, wasn't it, when he came to us? It's a couple weeks before he turned 18 or so.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

I think for us it was a few months. We just didn't say anything. Um we kept it to ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yeah, it was one of those things we you kind of know but you don't know kind of a thing. Um he came to us. It it's been for a minute now. He claims he's kind of been struggling to find himself or know who he is, or certain things about him that he just wasn't sure about. Um he came to us and told us that he has a boyfriend. He feels like this is where his life is at. He feels like this is who he is. He feels like this is just a part of part of him and would it this is him. Um now, us being Christians, this is where for a lot of people it gets to be a black and white situation. Because as Christians, you don't do it, you don't condone what the Bible says one thing, and it does. The Bible absolutely says that that is a sin, it is wrong. You don't, you know, that'll send you to hell, and it absolutely will. Sin is but but sin is sin, any kind of sin will do that. Um it we feel for us, we know what the Bible says. We let Lucas know what the Bible says, how we feel about it, and and what it says, and you know, God doesn't like it, and you know, the the Bible speaks against it. But be that as it may, and this is this is where it gets to be a black and white area with a lot of people that's know the situation and stuff. At the end of the day, that is still our son. We have we will forever have a spiritual and parental obligation to him as our kid, even though he's an adult. We are still morally obligated to him in any aspect for whatever for help, advice, anything like that, because that is still our child. That that boy was given to us by God Almighty. It's never when they're 18, it's done. That's never that's never the case. Your kid is always gonna be your kid. We love him, we pray for him. Um we don't we don't preach Adam, we don't preach judgment and condemnation because all that's gonna do is put a wedge between the relationship that we have with our child, and next thing in a couple years down the road. I mean, right now, if we love, show them that we're you know there for him, we will, you know, be there for him, we will give them advice, we will show them love. Right now it's keeping us here. You preach judgment and condemnation on anything your kids are doing wrong. Doesn't matter what it is, it may even be something completely different. But you preach judgment, condemnation at them and nothing but they're gonna put a wedge in between where you guys are walking together, trying to keep them on the same path, and next thing you know, sometime down the road, you're gonna be this far apart and not know not know why or how it happened. Well, it's because you did what the Bible said you shouldn't do. You're supposed to love, show grace, pray for, and give them mercy in whatever aspect of whatever. Because at the end of the day, that is our that is our boy, but he's of adult now, he's at the age of accountability, he's got to be responsible for himself. All we are obligated to do, and all we need to do as Christians is show them grace, mercy, love, and pray for him. We've done that. I've told him just a couple weeks ago, he's in the kitchen. I had him turn around, I gave him a hug, I told him I love you, and I said a prayer over him, and he said thanks. That's all it was. It's like God, keep your hand on him, love him, protect him, your blessings on his life, guide him and lead him. I didn't say, you know, bring him out of this, let him know what's wrong with them, let him know it's a sin, you know, let him know he's gonna die in burnt. You can't do that to people because if you read the scripture and read the read the book, read the Bible, especially in the four gospels, the four gospels, where there's the account of Jesus walking the earth, he didn't preach judgment, condemnation to the sinner and those that needed him. He showed grace, love, mercy. He had dinner with them, he went to their house. He showed them love and compassion, told them, I'm here for you, I love you. He didn't preach judgment, condemnation except to the religious because they had it all skewed and backwards and was trying to hold. People hold sinners accountable for their sin, which we need to do, but they were doing it in a religious mindset that was wasn't healthy and wasn't right. They wanted the one, they wanted the lady to be stoned to death. And what did Jesus tell them? You without sin, cast the first stone. Nobody's perfect. There's a lot of people in our lives who know of this situation with Lucas who don't agree. They've it almost feels like for some of them, they've totally cast them away and done away with them. They want nothing to do with them, they don't really talk to them, interact with them, don't see, don't nothing. And that's fine, that's okay. They got to work that out between them and Jesus. We're okay with that because that just takes care of the situations for us. God has hand in that, he moved people out of lives that needed to be moved, and there's no conflict there.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

I really wouldn't say though that this current situation with Lucas is what caused them to go out. No. It just caused them to shut the door to ever return.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There there was issues with other people before this.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

This was just like the yeah, this was the shutting door to it's just part of the it's just part of the whole family dynamic. It's um it's a it's a difficult road to navigate. Your immediate family is hard enough to navigate to make sure you're doing the right thing. To make sure every all your ducks are in a row. Um, with extended family it's even more difficult. And when you have some families like ours, where it's it's either everybody's in everybody's business, everybody has a hand in everybody's pot, or hey, I you know, you kind of don't like that, and you realize it's very unhealthy, so you start to you know pull your bowl a little closer to yourself to keep it a little bit more private, turns into you're you're just a horrible person. Yeah. So Lucas has never really had a huge. As far as family goes, I would never say Lucas would be the first one picked for the team. If you're say you're playing a game and you get two captains, and if there's two extended families and they're each captain, nobody would ever pick Lucas. That's how we feel, anyway. I'm sure their story is different, but that's fine. Um I am strict on the whole you never miss what you've never had. So um, like my mother, she grew up with some family members very involved in her life and uh very influential, and she gets upset sometimes because she feels like some people don't have that. And I try to remind her, you don't miss what you never had. If you never had this family dynamic in your life, you don't miss it. It doesn't bother you that you don't have a relationship there because you never had a relationship there. Um with Lucas choosing to have a boyfriend, I'm choosing to still love him. I'm choosing to choose my child over people. Um a lot of people have like big boundaries set in place. We're learning how to heal as a family, we're learning how to have healthy boundaries as a family, and we'll learn and navigate this road the same way. Um we don't just pray for Lucas now, we pray for Jonathan. Yes, Jonathan needs our prayer and our love and support just as much as Lucas does.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Yeah, and and and that that's that's the other thing. Um you will find when it comes to people giving you advice on what they feel like you should do, they're doing it over a biased, skewed, hypocritical position. And what I mean by that is they're telling you, they're giving you advice and thinking, telling you what they feel you should do in this situation, being totally oblivious to somebody else close to them doing something that is just as wrong, just as sinful, just as whatever. They're gonna give you advice based off of this because this is they're omitting the whole other situation because whatever you're going through, they're gonna look at it as being so much worse because they're so much better.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

It's alright.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yeah, that that's completely fine. Whatever this goes back to a previous episode where where we had said everybody can have an opinion, you just don't have the right to voice that opinion if it doesn't affect your life. People can tell other people how to live their life, no, and there's some things we know, you know, about other people in our life of things that's going on, things things whatever. I'll admit it, I have an opinion on a lot of the matters. I have thoughts on different things, you know. I have my own opinion on a lot of it, but I don't say anything to anybody because that's not my place, it's not directly affecting my life or altering me, my household anyway. So I keep it to myself. Same thing applies here. A lot of people will give you advice based off of a very one-sided, skewed mindset, and a lot of times it's the ones who claim to be Christians or religious that does that to you. People in this situation like Lucas and Jonathan, we well, where I I'm not going to, and I'm not going to allow people to preach judgment, condemnation, hellfire, all this other stuff at them because all that's going to do is drive them further and further away.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

No, nowhere in the Bible does it say point your finger and tell them they're wrong. Right. Um we have we we were sitting in church one Sunday and there were people behind us having a conversation. And the one gentleman said, as a Christian, it's my duty to let them know they're sinning. That's not in my book. No. They they are probably more Sunday Christians than Christians. Um they like the lukewarmness of it, you know, they like the title of Christian, but not living as a Christian. So um we're trying to not just title it. We're tr we're trying to live it.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Um my mouth is probably what doesn't make me look like a Christian outside because we do be flavoring some language. Um and I would tell people that. I'm like, I'm sorry. I know this doesn't make me look like a good Christian, but I'm so angry or I'm so frustrated. Um so I think the fact that you're you don't try to paint sainthood. Yeah. The minute you try to paint sainthood on anybody, it's not a good look. Right. We're just human.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Yeah. We we've made it known to people, yes, we go to church, we're Christians, you know, we do this, do that. Yes, well, like I said, the biggest vice that we got is, you know, our our mouths, because you know, stuff. But but in the and this in the prideful, arrogant moment, that's this is but we've never claimed to be more than what we are. We let people know we're not perfect. I don't we don't paint a picture like on social media or around people or stuff or however wherever that we're this way here, but different at home. This is who we are, across the board, anywhere. Could we be could we do better and be better? Absolutely. Everybody can. We're striving to do better and be better. Yeah, we're not perfect, we don't claim to be.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

So we're just some married couple who actually enjoy being married. Yes. Um, we're not like excited if we have to separate or there's things that we're gonna do that um that's not together. He doesn't get excited, and he's not like, oh, I can finally play this game or I can finally do this, you know, and I only got two hours to do all the things I no, we're not like that. It's usually, man, I gotta go do this thing, and you're not gonna be there. Yeah. And when you marry somebody, you want to spend the rest of your life with them. So why don't you spend the rest of your life with them? Why are you doing all these things alone or with other people instead of your spouse? This makes me question a lot of couples because I'm like, they don't do anything together, they don't spend any time together. Yeah, I just we literally play video games together, we watch movies together, we watch videos on our phone together. Not because we have to, not because there's trust issues, because we actually 100% like each other.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Um, I was talking to a friend at to a friend at church Sunday morning, and he was mentioning that he had seen on one of the episodes that we like doing things together, we do most everything together. And he said him and his wife do that too because they're married, they're best friends, they enjoy each other's company. And it's and we're we were in agreement that it almost seems like that's a lost thing with people nowadays. It's almost like they have stuff for men to do and stuff for women to do, but there's not a lot for couples who like being together to do. Yeah, we're not gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

So it's yeah, we we we need to we enjoy it, even if like you you go to grocery shopping, grocery shopping, simple grocery shopping, we do it together, and we lollygag or meander or just stick to the list. Uh it but we're doing it together, we're having conversation, we're talking about the day, we're talking about this particular meal, we're talking about future plans, we're constantly growing and changing as human beings, and you need to do that as a couple together.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Yeah, and to just make it circle back, as you do that, it will reflect in what you do and how you are for your kids. Yes, because you got a good, healthy relationship. Like I firmly believe 100% without a doubt, God is in our relationship, God is in our marriage, it is good, it is founded, it is healthy, it is what a relationship should be, in my opinion. That sins through and goes through on how you raise your kids, what you want for them, the values and morals you instill in them. Because I've heard a lot of people say this generation is messed up, this generation is this, these kids, whatever, which that's true, yes. But it's not the kids' fault, it's the way they were brought up by the parents. It's who raised them. So we need to kind of keep that.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

They've always been kids. Yeah, yeah, kids will always be kids. It's the difference on who raises them and how. Yeah. So we will we're gonna always love Lucas no matter what, because obviously he's our child. Absolutely. But now we have a bonus son who we're going to love and encourage and pour life into. And our ultimate goal is God saves them both, and they can reach their little community of people. Yes. And but until then, we may be doing it and doing things the way that you don't like, but that's okay. You don't pay our bills, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Because at the end of the day, what might get them saved down the road, or what might get them to move in the Lord and get where they need to be in a powerful way, is by seeing Christ and love and grace and mercy of God through us. You do away with them because they're doing what you don't agree with.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

We can't teach them that if they're not in our life, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:15

So that's our little story about Lucas and where we're at with him. It's gonna get better. We're gonna keep praying blessings on him. It's gonna be it's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

He's we dedicated him to the Lord a long time ago. Yes, and the Lord still has him. Yes, he's just a child, yeah. Testing boundaries in a new world, and we're gonna sit here and make sure he's safe. Yeah. At the end of the day, God gave him to us, God didn't give him to anybody else.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

That's right. And this goes for any of you parents listening with your kids. They were given to you, not nobody else. You need to do what you feel you need to do that's best for them. Nothing more, nothing less.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

We've made some very hard decisions in our relationship and and growth with being parents, and there were a lot of times that kid didn't like us, and that was okay. Yeah. And um, you get through it. Doesn't make it any easier, it just means sometimes you gotta navigate things a little different. And as comes growth, comes change, and I'm not worried about it.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

No, everything will work out the way it's supposed to, in God's will, because God's got a will for everybody's life, and he's working in it, whether you know it or not, or believe it.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

God loves Lucas and Jonathan, just as much as he loves the alcoholic, just as much as he loves the liar. That's right. Just as much as he loves the cheater, just as much as he loves the cheat. Um everything in life. There's something we all sin as much as he loves us with our mouth. Um, at the end of the day, we can all ask forgiveness and make it. Yep. So where can they find us?

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Uh they can find us on Facebook. Uh, they can find us on YouTube, they can send us an email at stillwalking2026 at Gmail. Uh, and just about any other place where they get their podcasts. Yeah, any place you get your podcasts, we're there. Yes, yes, yes, folks. And we would love to hear from you. Yeah, send questions, send comments, send whatever.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

We will working on episodes with everything, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

So we will see you next time. Until then, still keep on walking, friends. Yes. Love you. Bye.

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Bye.