The Brutal Truth About Why She’s Not Choosing You With Christopher Louis

Christopher grew up surrounded and raised by women and you can feel that in the way he talks about them. Instead of learning women from books or gimmicky pickup lines he learned them from real life from listening to the women in his world and paying attention to what they actually feel not just what they say. That early experience gave him a kind of emotional fluency and empathy that most men are never taught and it shows up in every story he tells and every piece of advice he gives.

Today Christopher is a certified dating and relationship coach and the host of the Dating Intelligence podcast where he has helped men and women navigate everything from first dates to long term commitment. He also runs Men.tality an expert matchmaking and coaching service for successful men who want real love not just another situationship. Before all of that he built a career as a tennis pro and worked in high touch service roles so he understands performance pressure image and connection at a very high level on and off the court.

What I love about this conversation is how honest Christopher is about men and our struggles. We talk about how many men are grinding at work building careers and businesses but silently struggling when it comes to communicating with women and creating something healthy at home. We get into why so many good men feel misunderstood or taken for granted and why it is so hard for us to open up without feeling weak or judged. Christopher does not speak from a pedestal he talks openly about the mistakes he made in his own past relationships where he fell short where ego got in the way and where poor communication cost him connection. That level of transparency is rare and it instantly disarms you as a listener because you feel like you are sitting with a brother not a lecturer.

We also dive into what it really means for a man to lead in dating in a healthy way. Not controlling not manipulating but leading through clarity emotional responsibility and standards. Christopher lays out why men have to learn to set boundaries speak honestly about what we want and stop outsourcing our self worth to whether or not a woman chooses us. We talk about the difference between chasing validation and building a real partnership and how men can move from anxiety and confusion into confidence and calm. This is not about tricks it is about becoming the kind of man who naturally attracts and keeps an emotionally healthy woman.

What stands out about Christopher is that he is solidified in his industry yet still incredibly down to earth. He has the experience the background and the track record of helping people win in love but when you sit with him he is just a genuinely good guy. You hear the coach the big brother and the student of life all at the same time. And yes he really is a serious tennis player which adds this fun competitive and grounded energy to how he approaches self improvement and relationships.

If you are a man who has ever felt like you are doing everything you are supposed to do and yet your love life still feels confusing this episode is for you. If you have ever wondered why it is so hard to communicate with the women you care about or why you keep repeating the same patterns even though you know better this episode is for you. And if you are ready to stop guessing and start understanding women and yourself at a much deeper level I truly believe this conversation with Christopher Louis will hit you in the heart in the best way.

From one man to another this is an episode you are going to want to listen to all the way through and maybe run back a couple of times. Thank you very much for your love and kindness.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back you guys to Office of the Day with Mark Handy today. I'm a very function guest and uh it's gonna be a little longer eventually. So I met Mr. Christopher Lewis, who's very nice to Mr. Intelligence, uh Mr. A man who uh leads with honestly in the hero and a man who leads with genuine curiosity and genuine kindness. And I think that's ultimately one of the most important factors of any human being and any individual to begin with. And this is how you get into uh different brains to grow as an individual. We might have podcasts, and I'm not even sure how many years it's been like four or five years, but this man who cares about people and you see it within his work, you see it within how can you treat people and how can you talk to people and how he will do those. Um Mr. Christopher Lewis, go ahead and introduce yourself because nobody can do about it.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Thanks, Mark. Thanks for the intro. That was great. Hey guys, what's up?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

So we're gonna dive into the value here in a second, but tell me a little bit about your background here with uh the the people who may not know you specifically and know your podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Well, first of all, Mark, I'm gonna say thank you for having me on your show. And like, you know, I have to tell your audience that you're he's right. You know, when we met at Podfest about four or four and a half years ago, um, I just saw this kid roaming the halls. You know, it was my first Podfest as well. And, you know, we're all new, and I'm just trying to soak up the fact that I just started a podcast probably six months before. And I was like, you know, we go to these conferences to basically get more knowledge, right? So um, you know, so you're meeting people in the halls between every kind of um, what's the word I'm looking for? Every workshop or everybody's like seminar or focus or topic that they're talking about. And um, we're walking through the halls, and you know, you see people off in some of the same rooms and stuff, and finally our paths cross, and I was like, Hey, what's going on? He's like, My name's Mark Anthony. And of course, when you hear a guy's name Mark Anthony, it's always like, dude, is he thinking of like the Roman, you know, the Roman, the Romans, and like uh, and then basically the singer, right? So, but we started talking, and you know, and he was much younger than me because he is much younger than me, but I just felt like who is this kid who's got his stuff together? And we've been talking since. So I appreciate that. No problem, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Uh he's just one of those guys as well, Christopher Lewis, that uh he walks into the room and he's kind of hard to miss because not only is he tall, but he's just got that smiley face. Who doesn't want to be around somebody that's happy? Who does want to be around somebody that's gonna impact you in a positive way? And you know, even if he's got other stuff going on, he still leads with that what's going on, like what's it's that curiosity, you know?

SPEAKER_00 2:49

It's like it's the it's the curiosity of people. And so you ask me, like, you know, how I started, and so people ask me this all the time, and I always let everyone know look, I'm just a guy who knows, like who loves women and knows women really well. But also, I grew up in a house full of women, women, and basically for myself, I tell everyone I go like my spiel is I say, look, I felt like I was Jane Goodall and the jungle studying gorillas because it's like growing up with an older sister, younger sister, and a mom, I was the only guy, and there are just there's a lot of stuff that goes on when you live with three women in the house, you know, and and there's their mood swings, their ups and downs, you know. And I I took took a step back and I was like, you know what? I want to learn from this because if I learn from this, I'm gonna understand women so much that it's gonna make me a better person when I'm in a relationship. And so throughout my growing up through dating, through relationships, all these different things, it ended up becoming the fact that I do understand relationships really well. I understand women really well. And I think that also made me curious about people in general. So I always told myself, if I can just start off being curious about who's around me, knowing your story, that makes my life better because it's like it's knowledge, you know. And one of the things that I feel that people don't do in this world enough is they don't get to, they don't talk enough to others. They don't take a chance to get to know someone because everybody's all interested in who they are in their own story, you know.

unknown 4:07

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

And have you always been that way, like genuinely curious about other people?

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Yes. And that's typically because, you know, growing up in Texas being like, you know, one of the only black families in an area of like my parents were the Huxtables, I always say, right? It's like my dad's a doctor, my mom's a psychologist, and we're the only black kids, you know, in this whole world of whites, right? But I could say it that way. But um, so for me, I had to really learn how to find my place, you know. I had to find out who I was as a person in that sort of environment. You know, like I part of me sometimes like, you know, I want to be like this white kid with blonde hair and blue eyes, but yet I'm not. So I had to learn how to navigate that space. And in order to do that, you had I had to learn on how to be secure with myself, how to learn who I am, you know, and I feel like that's where my emotional intelligence started at a very young age. I had to question a lot of things, but also always told myself that I'm never gonna take a seat back to anyone. I want I'm gonna be who I am, and that's just me. So, like you said earlier, what you see is what you get. Like I'm never going to have to like have imposter syndrome. I'm never going to be like act like someone else. You know, it's one of those things where someone meets me, I want them to be like, damn, that guy's just Chris, and he's just a great guy. It's not a color, it's not this, it's not that. He's just a person.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I love that. I couldn't agree more of that, especially what part of Texas did you draw up.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

San Antonio, and then all of a sudden, College Dallas on.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

That's right. So we want to make sure we're providing as much value as possible. We've given you a little bit of a background. Uh before we dive into the dating, there's one topic that we level. And I I like this story because we like to leave with a little bit of a fun story. Can you tell me about the one time we found somebody's wallet after he also is a story?

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Thanks. Well, I mean, like I always say it's like if you if you find something, like whether it be a wallet, whether it be some item that's just sitting around, it's your duty to find out and return it to at least someone who can give it back to that person, right? There's nothing worse because we've all lost something. We've all lost something, right? So one day, one morning, super early, I'm walking to the tennis courts before you know after one of my lessons was done. I'm talking early, like 6 30 in the morning. I see this wall on the ground. My first instinct was just to walk past it, like we all do, right? And it's all something just told me, turn around, check it out, because I thought that someone might have sipped it by because it was sitting by a trash can. So I figured someone must have rummaged through and already took whatever was in there, the wallet's empty. Nope, it's full full credit cards, amexes, ID, all travel, whatever, all these different things. There was still cash in there as well. And I was like, ah, now what do I do with this thing? And so I go, I want to make sure I return it to the person. I didn't want to take it to the police because I felt like the police would just probably just throw it in some drawer and just write. And usually what happens, most people cancel their credit cards at this point, so whatever it may be. So I figured, you know what? I'm gonna try to find this person. So called Amex, they shut the car down because I tried to get the number, his number through Amex. And then eventually I was like, I'm gonna go drive to his house. So I drove from where I was about 20 minutes down the road, went to his apartment building, found someone and said that was coming in and out of the leasing office where it opened. And I said, Hey, here's my number. Can you return this person? And I don't know what apartment he's in, right? But I know he lives here because his address is here. And so sure enough, I get a call the next day and super grateful, super thankful. He's like, Can I buy you a bottle of wine? Can I do something for you? I was like, No, I go, just I just I'm happy it got back to you because I know how I would feel if I lost something like that. And I would hope someone would do the same.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

That's amazing. See, that's the kind of way that ultimately I I mean, you helped him out and he felt good about it, but I bet that you felt better that he didn't have to cancel his cards because you just said if it were me, you wouldn't want that to happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

It's a hassle. Think about the driver's license. I mean, you know how hard it is to try to go back to DMV or try to reissue a new driver's license.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

It takes like two weeks, two and a half weeks to get due pay for it online. It's horrible, it's absolutely horrible. So we know uh Chris at this point obviously uh coaches men. Can you uh give me a little bit of background uh just for the people that don't know why they should listen to you uh as a a coach who dates men or a coach who is helping date women?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Um first and foremost, like and I and I do coach women as well. I mean actually it's funny, I actually coach a lot more women than men, which is crazy because this is awesome. Yeah, because they always want to find out why guys are the way they are, right? So that's that's my prerogative to like be in that space for both. But um, but one of the things that I want to tell men right now, I feel like is the biggest thing that is a hindrance to a lot of guys is the fact that um, and this is why a lot of women say there's not a lot of emotionally intelligent men out there theoretically, it's just because of the fact that you know it's it's men allow their egos to get in the way of in their way too much. And when their ego gets in the way, so that's one of the things that I teach men, I teach them how to let go of their ego um by saying, look, ego's meant for confidence, it's not meant for arrogance. And so once you understand the definition and how to balance that correctly, your confidence shines in a way where you're eating that's that's ego. That's great ego, right? People are like, wow, that guy's got a fantastic confident. That to me is like that's my ego shining through, right? I never use it for arrogancy. And one thing that I tell women all the time, which is really funny, I say women have all the power, they just don't know it. So I teach women how to get their power back because I say guys are easy creatures. Do you do you use references from like uh The Art of Seduction by Robert Green? No, I read that by the way, though, and so he probably got all that stuff from me.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

So I'm just okay. I love it. I love it. You see, and ultimately there's a difference between ego, confidence, and then knowledge and application of the confidence and knowledge. So I I misstated here. Can you tell me a little bit how you got into dating women? Is it because your upbringing and being around three women your whole life? Is that a huge reason and huge help for you to be able to coach and date women when it comes to men?

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Yes, because um, you know, like like I said, women, just first and foremost, when you talk to a lot of women, when they're as they get older, one of the biggest things they say is that they just want someone who's kind, someone who makes them laugh, someone who's funny. And it's not always about looks, right? It's like that's something at a very young age that starts going out the window as women get older, especially not so much for men, you know, we're different creatures, but for women, um, they just want someone who's kind, who like three of the biggest things who's kind, who's humorous, and the but the biggest one is also someone that makes them feel safe, someone that they can trust that makes them feel safe, someone who's in their corner at all times. Right. So how do you make a woman feel safe? By showing up. You know, if you're showing up and saying if you've your actions, you know, I always say actions speak louder than words. True. It's true. But also at this point in time, if you're using words, you know, like I said, you have to be able to communicate those in order to get those actions to go through. Right. So when a woman is looking for you to do something, you know, there's there's so many ways to step up in a relationship from day one. You know, when you're sitting in front of that girl for the first time on a date, you know, showing up by listening, by communicating, by asking the right questions, it's not always about you. It's about making sure that she is the star in the room. You know, and you're like just one of the extra, extra, you know, extra background players at this point in time, right? Um, so you just want to make sure that you're showing up for her, letting her know that you're here, and that's where a woman starts seeing that attraction because you're there showing up for them by listening and asking the right questions, first and foremost.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

And how do you navigate that? Because I mean, naturally, if you're not an egotistical man, but if you're a confident man and a man of high value, how do you not tone yourself down, but make sure that they feel seen and heard? Because you've navigated through relationships and you've been with very beautiful women. So, like, how do you learn to break the pattern of showing up?

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Um, first and foremost, making sure that the first thing I always do is making you make sure that you act act like that they're the only one in the room. Oh, okay. You know, so if I'm sitting there talking to someone, whether I meet someone from just yeah, let's say you're at a party, right? You're talking to someone, you're and all of a sudden, every person you go up to, that person should feel like, wow, he's acting like I'm the only one in the room. And that's where it starts from there. You know, and if you can accomplish that, you know, and you're right, with ego standing, you know, not taking place, they always say, like, you know, less is more. You know, if you're confident enough, you don't have to do much. You just have to just be there showing up, being attentive and making sure that they're the only one in the room. That's impeccable.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Have you dated women that have been in open relationships or uh coached women that have been in open relationships? Because this is an interesting topic that I think we need to dive into a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

It depends on what your for your definition of the word open. So, I mean, there's different types, and a lot of people don't really know that they're open until you know, until you actually start mingling in that mix of some of something, right? Right. Most of the time, you know, someone finds out they're open and what happens. If if their partner is curious enough to ask them, hey, you know, this is what I want to do. What do you think about that? And if they trust you enough, or if they're curious enough, yeah, sure, I'll see what happens, and that's how that starts.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Wow. Wow. So I I guess I mean open because there's this modern day uh word or terminology or open, or uh there it's like a three or four people in the one relationship, like one guy is dating three girls at the same time. Polyamorous relationships, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

This is I actually got a um an email today from an agent, and uh this um let's see, there's this new series that's coming out called Um Um The Poly. And um, and there's these two, this married couple, like been together for 15 years that I just read today on the email and I researched them, and she wanted to know if they could be on dating intelligence. And I was like, and I, you know, and I get a lot of these from outreach from managers or agents um or people who have clients in this space to get on different podcasts and stuff. And usually I'm like, no, no, not a fit, not a fit, not a fit, yes, a fit, not a fit. This intrigued me because they are polyamorous, and so they have a series that they're going a reality series that they're you're live, they have over 400,000 subscribers, basically, right? They've had over a million views on their stuff on TikTok, and now they got an episode, episodic deal on us on us for a series on a uh major network. So I'm like, yes, I'd love to have them on the show because I want you know I've had polyamorous people on my show before, but this is curiosity because this the they're married. You know, the other ones have been dating. This is actually a married couple, so I'm very curious to know on how they started how they what they're doing right now. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

So when you say they're married so far, do you uh understand that they're married within the Holly, or just the two are married and they have the two are married and I feel like they have always like a girlfriend, and I'm I'm not gonna like speak out of term here because I haven't spoken with them yet, but I'm assuming whoever their partner is, there's there's a third one in there as well. But not married though, it's probably just a girlfriend slash boyfriend to whomever for that situation. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

So a man at your level with your podcast and with all the exposure you've been able to obtain, with all the success you've been able to obtain, how do you distinguish what kind of partnership or what kind of person or company that you actually want to interview with or partner up with? Because you can make one wrong choice and maybe get the publicity that you don't want.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Right. Well, that would be Taylor Frankie Paul right now. Well, the new Bachelorette on ABC. So she did our show, like when she when they found her out in the whole Mormon situation where they were all kind of swinging, and then so she got outed or whatever, like that. So she was like a big, you know, Taylor Frankie Paul, Miss, you know, TikTok star this and that with her group of girls, right? They all got found out. So that but they all outed her, and now she's on an island by herself. So we took her and you know, she came on the show like that first week after all this happened. So I actually reached out to her the other day after I heard about the Bachelorette stuff with this uh domestic abuse stuff that's going on. I don't know if you know the whole story or not, but so the the new, you know, the bachelor show. Yeah, so the bachelorette show, she was the new bachelorette that's supposed to have come out this Sunday, and they and her past partner just put out something from 2023 of this video of her throwing chairs at him, and her child was in the room. And apparently you heard the child crying, and so it became this you think so ABC dropped him on Sunday, right before they released the new Bachelorette show. They dropped the series and they knew what was going on, you know, because this is 2020, they know her background and story. But this dude decided just to put, you know, oh, look what happened. Someone found this hidden file, and I'm gonna put it out there. So everybody is livid right now on her. And I was like, hmm, let me see if I should have her on my show. My new coast, she goes, Don't touch it, Chris. Do not touch this. If you touch this, this is gonna be bad for the show. And I was like, not touching it right now. Let it die down for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Right. So how because you're the again, you guys will see more and more now that I haven't really had somebody like Christopher Lewis specifically in his space on my podcast. But how do you believe, or how do you think that having the right team around you actually helps you distinguish in like you're like, maybe I wanted to do that, but then you're like, no, my team told me no, and I actually agreed. Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

It's I mean, like with anything, right? You have to um if you're the decision maker, because it's it's my show, right? Or my company, I have to take it and say what's what's right and what's not. So just like today, I handed my new book off to um uh one of my friends, and I trust her, she's a you know, she's an editor and she reads lots of books and she's been in the literary space for a while. Um, she's like, look, she goes, I have some criticism for you. I hope you don't take it or any judgment bad. I'm taking notes and here and there. It's not much. I've already read like 60 pages. I think it's great. There's a few things I would you know, I would like for you to change. I hope that's not gonna bother. I'm like, why would it bother me? I gave it, I gave it to you. And then so what I'm getting at is I and I even text her back and said, and if I'll either take it or leave it, you know, like if I feel like it's something that needs to be changed, I'll change it. If not, I'll be like, no, it's it that's my discretion. So I feel like you know, everyone has the right to choose. And then sometimes, like most things happen, right? If you let's say I do decide to have Frank, you know, Taylor Frankie Paul on my show. I've made the decision, even though it's hot right now, she should probably not do it. But a part of me is like, but if I spin it the right way and get the side of the story that people need to hear, right, then it's a gold mine, right? It's a win for me, right? So you have to pick and choose and really think about are you going against the grain or are you doing something that's outside the box that no somebody's missing? I I love that.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

See, that's that's how you disrupt, and that's how you be able, that's how you're able to grow within your own organization, grow your organization. If you spin it the right way, if you market it the right way, but you also provide the right value and go at it with the right intention, then it's completely different.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Right. Like my goal was not to, you know, like I said, because I know her, my goal was not to, you know, throw more dirt on her, though, throw more shame on her. My goal was to figure out how I know that underneath it all, she's a really, a really good girl, you know, and she's always the first to apologize and say, I made a mistake right away. That was bad, I shouldn't have done that, you know, whatever it may be. But people don't know that. They just see what they see on the Her New Mormon show or what they've saw from the past, like, oh wow, she's just outspoken, she's kind of crass. But underneath it all, she's really cool, you know, just makes bad choices. So I have to think about right. And so my point was it's like, uh, like I still was like, if I have her on the show, what does this mean? Like, and I I hear you saying that it could really destroy whatever that has already out there. People might be throwing, you know, shame or whatever it is on the show, but I got to spin it in a way where it's gonna be positive. And most people who are successful are willing to take the chance, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:37

I agree with that. Most people who are successful, successful are willing to take the chance because they took the chance first to start their business, they took the choice, made the choice to decide to actually start their business because that's all everything is, right? We just discussed this before the podcast choices. And I I want to plug in. What does it mean? Or in the common dating world right now, since you're coaching women, what does it mean for women when they go for an intention? They are looking for a high value man. What is it that you coach them on and distinguish and find out about them first before they go looking for a high value uh man that they're wanting to date? Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Um, so let's make sure we got that in the right context. Okay, let's do that. Yeah, if you say, like, you know, a woman going for a high value man, okay. I need to know, first of all, what type of woman this is and what she's what's her true intentions. Okay, you tell me. Give me an example. Let's be honest, right? She looked for a sugar daddy, or is she someone who has a lot of value, who has a lot of worth, who has that whole thing going for her? Like, let's say she's successful, she's smart, she's got everything she needs. She wants someone to walk the walk with. That's different. Right. You know what I mean? So it's the same reason why a lot of actors date actors, or a lot of people in like a higher state of you know, industry, they all get together. You don't see someone like a Taylor, what's her name? Um, who's the singer? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Thank you. Taylor Swift, you know, it's like I would love to have her just date someone, just some normal Joe. No, you know, I mean, it's possible, don't get us wrong, right? It is possible, but at the same time, though, you're in the same circles, right? You're in similar circles. So when a woman like is looking for a high value man, if she's in those circles, yes, and that's different, though. Same as a guy who wants what he wants, right? I gotta go, what are your intentions? Like, you know, in a like with my new company mentality, you know, it's for guys in their 40s and 50s who want to date of their own age. So I use the term who are looking for the right fit for right now. I don't want a 50-year-old date. He goes, I want to date a 20 year old. I'm like, go bye, do that on your own time. Good luck with that, by the way. You know, that that's a different intention. But if someone is like, you know, intentionally looking for someone of his own age range, like I'm a 50, like I'm 55, right? I'm if I'm like, I want to find a girl who's like, you know, no less than six years younger than me. I feel like that's appropriate. You're you're you're intentional about what you're looking for. I don't want a 20 year old who I gotta groom and teach and what all this stuff just because she's hot or she's good and better, whatever it may be. Right. There's more to it than that. Not to everyone, but you know, eventually that gets old.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

I love that. So so really it's just for First, understanding what they exactly what it is they want. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

And if you're, and here's the flip side, if you're honest about what you want, I always say, look, as long as you're honest about it, I'm okay with that. But just don't lie to me. Just don't lie to yourself. You know, a lot of people go, Yeah, I just want someone who makes me like a lot of guys, for instance, they go, you know, I just want someone, I want a strong, independent woman. And I'm like, you can't even handle that. You know, it's like when you find that, all of a sudden they go, oh, wow, she was too high maintenance this and it's like, no, she wasn't high maintenance in that respect of what they're thinking high maintenance is. She's just her life is busy. And you thought that just because you had someone who was high maintenance, you know, someone who's always up under your thumb, wanting, you know, you're paying for her, you're giving all this stuff. Now you want someone who's independent, has their own thing. Right. But yet this woman doesn't need you for anybody. And now you're like, your ego gets bruised because you don't have to, she doesn't need you to help her. She doesn't need you to provide for her. And that's when that doesn't work out. So their intentions were not really the fact that they wanted someone of value, equal value. They still wanted someone who makes them feel good, you know, like, oh wow, she bruised my ego because she didn't need me or she made me feel like shit. Then they break up, right? I agree. That's not the right intention. You know, if you're if you're so you're lying to yourself, right? You're not being truthful. Like me, when I say I want a woman and like, you know, like my partner, like she's like, I want an independent, strong woman who doesn't need me for anything. That's the type of woman that I look for. And I mean it, you know, because it's like my goal is to like I want to walk alongside of them. I don't need to like, and we overlap, you know, that whole journey is for you guys to overlap. When she's up and I'm down, she steps it up when I'm down up and vice versa. It's an equilibrium balance. That's what a relationship is.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

That's what you so when you say that's for what a relationship is, it's literally what you just broke it down to. First, ultimately clearly communicating on both sides what you want. What the relationship you're in, if you don't mind me asking, did you guys both set the intention like on the first or second date of what it is that you guys wanted?

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Or was it um I think I did that. You know, I'm like, first of all, when I yeah, we we were re-dating. We met back about 20 years ago and I got married in between. But it was funny on how we just reconnected like probably four months after my divorce. It was her birthday, I reached out, and we've been ever inseparable since. But she was in a residency 20 something years ago, you know, but now she's a full-blown doctor. And I was like, so re-getting back, I was like, I was the one who was like, came, you know, for that second date dinner going. I had my little paper, you know, I probably see this on the line or whatever right now. I was like, uh-uh, after eating, I go, so I need to read this to you. And um, and I don't want you to look at me while I'm reading this to you because it's pretty embarrassing. And I said, Look, I go, you will always make more than me right now. You will always have this more than me. And I go, I just want to let you know that I don't care. I don't mind as long as you think I'm not in this for that reason. I'm in this because you've known me. It's like it's I feel like this is why we're here. All the other stuff doesn't matter. Now, if you feel like it's not for you, you let me know. She's like, I'm great. Eight years later, it's been great, you know. So that to me was never intimidating me. Like, you know, this woman makes a you know, a high, you know, almost seven-figure, you know, sort of situation. And I'm like, I'm happy, you know, and and and she knows I pull my weight. And she says all the time, you have stuff, you have things in this relationship that I don't have. And that's why we're together because I step up every time.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

I love that. I love that. So for the the entrepreneurs that have tuned in finally, that maybe are finally listening at this point. How did you find a way to become a successful podcaster and successful business owner in general?

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Thinking outside the box as much as possible. You know, like everyone has something. Everyone has, you know, there's any idea that you may present, there's a lot of people that might have had that same idea. They're just spun in different ways, right? Any new business that you decide to start that you think is new, someone's probably done it or doing it. You're like, damn, I thought I was the one, the innovator, right? But you can still be the innovator. That's why new companies always take off, right? Who would have thought, like, for instance, Under Armour? Let's go with sports, right? With the brands, Nike, Adidas, all these other brands out there in this new brand Under Armour, you're just like, the hell's this little brand, right? But now look at them, they're a giant. It's like anyone breaking into a space of anything has to be outside the box thinking. And so for me, my first process is even from my clothing line back in the day to what I'm doing now, all my businesses, before I started, I go, what's going to make me stand out? What's going to make me different? And and I research and I listen and I watch, and all my mentors that I or the people that I look up to, and someone I go, I want to be like that person, that's who I strive to be. I look at it in a way of going, how can I be different than that person, not just be another cookie cutter version of that person? Right. So that's what I always say. Think outside the box. And if you're willing to take a chance, like we said earlier, and think outside the box and still make those mistakes to make you better, or do something that's going to be out of the ordinary that might fail or might succeed. You just don't know, but you got to be able to try. And that's starting with an outside the box way of thinking.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

So when you say outside of the box, and when you say find a way to stand out, is there a couple people or mentors that you've utilized and then put in your own personality and brand into it that you'd be willing to share? Um and then we'll come back to the day.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

I mean, like, I mean, everything I've done, like whether it be from when I was modeling, whether it be to where I had my tennis line for eight years, um, whether to what I'm like my podcast. Um, you know, but one thing I don't do is like I I hear and I see, but one thing that I try not to do is I try not to follow, you know, like like like I I appreciate and admire certain people, like clothing brands, like for instance, like let's say like John Vervedo's, right? Like I love his brand, right? Or at the time when I was when I was modeling my women's tennis line after it was through Juicy Couture, before F-leisure wear and le became a name, you know, like Lululemon came around, all these things. I was doing things that people were not doing. And so all the tennis clubs were turning me down because it was like they were like, this does not look like tennis school. And I go, ah, but that's the thing. It's called on the court, off the court look. Like it's like it's I wanted something, I wanted fashion, I wanted to be stuck. So I didn't want the same box cutter skirt and top that everyone was doing. I wanted a dress that looked different. I looked to Nike, I looked to certain things, but I so I looked at that as an appreciation, but I never followed it enough to actually get caught in that same, you know, that same path. Right. So for me, all of my mentors that I look to, I look at their stuff, I like their stuff, but I go, I don't want to know enough about them because I want to make sure that I'm doing it my own way. You know, like a lot of people, like we talked about today, like Joe Rogan. You know, you were saying, Well, I got the Joe Rogan setup. I'm like, I appreciate dudes, guys. If you see like, you know, the mark setup, it's it's pretty special. And I'm I'm a little envious because I can't do this on my own, but I wish I got you. I hope you but I love the fact that Joe Rogan setup, which means you know a lot about him. But a lot of people, you know, the they formulate their shows after him, they formulate different things. Me, even stuff that I do on my show, it's like I can't have a script. I tried that on day one when I started, and I realized this during my acting days, I was like, anytime a script's in front of me, I freeze. I got you. I'm I'm I'm such better at ad living, I'm such better off the cuff, I'm such better at improving. You know, so give me a topic, I'll run with it, you know. And that's how I how it's how I follow my path on my script of a show. There isn't one.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

I love that because that ultimately that's where the ultimate creativity comes out because you put in enough work prior to the show to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

And I'm confident enough to know that I can I can spin it and run it the way I want to and navigate the way I want to.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

And this man trains his mind, he trains himself, he goes the the to train antenna. So keeping your mind running like this helps you. I mean, if you see us together outside, we're literally we don't stop moving around. We look like little like crazy, like crackheads, if you will. You know, in the in the coolest way. Like we both like can't stop moving. And people are like, what's wrong with you? Like, we have all this energy, we can immediately utilize it.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

So I want to come back to to you and to your value. Uh, and you have a lot of value, but I'm just talking specifically about dating. Talk to me about the emotional uh awareness of a woman and how that navigates through the relationship when it comes to a woman and a man.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Well, I feel like a lot of times that, you know, there is, and there's a, you know, there's always gonna be a huge difference, right? No matter how much you feel like you know and how much of an expert you are in something, there's always something that you don't know, right? There's something that you want to learn, there's something that you're still trying to um um get knowledge on. So every day, you know, like I wake up, um, you know, no matter how much I feel like I know about women and how much I know about relationships, I'm still learning as much as possible. I'm still growing. And so for me, they always say, what's that saying? You never, if you feel like you're the smartest one in the room, you know, you might as well just like end your life right now. Right? Yeah, you might as well in your life. So I'm always, no matter who I'm with in what room, I feel like, like you said earlier, I'm so curious about everyone. I want to learn about as much as I can as possible because there's always a new twist. Some of the stories might be the same, some of the people you might meet are the same. Some of my same dating, you know, coaching, when I date coached clients, they their stories are very similar. They're different stories, but it's the same through line. So you pick up on those cues, you learn how to ask the right questions. And once again, I'm never ever gonna say that I'm always right.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Right. So when you learn, and now you've got at least like 15 years of experience, right? When you've learned more about women and you've coached these women, how have you taught them to get their power back?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

By first and foremost, telling them that, look, you know, I know that you women especially, you know, they always have this um template when they were young. You know, most women, not it depends, not so much on the East and West Coast, but let's go middle America, especially. Okay. A lot of women, you know, what do you do? You grow up with dolls, you grow up playing, I want to be married, I want this, I want Prince Charming, blah, blah, blah, right? It's all Disney movies, it's all these other things. Um, it's changed a lot now, you know, obviously me too and some other things, but women are just, you know, they have their own job. They have, they know their worth now, right? Um, but one of the biggest things that that women want is the fact that they just now want a partner who can actually be a best friend with them as well. You know, there's still the woman who wants to be, you know, the subservient, you know, submissive woman to a man where they want a true alpha man, where they want, and that's that red pull through pill theory where a lot of women want the guy to lead, although a lot of women want the guy to be in the household. Um, you know, they're they're the man, you know, whatever he says goes. And then, but there's, you know, the majority of women in the world are not like that. You know, they just, if a guy did that to them, they're like, see you out the door, right? But, you know, so coming with that being said, the emotional awareness that women have is that they want to make sure that a guy is able to just communicate, listen, be there for when they need them. And like the word I like to use, just be there in their corner. Right. You know, think of a boxer, right? They're they're what is it called? They're um, their their manager, whoever me is training them, is they're always in their corner. They got their back. That's all that a woman truly wants. You know, a guy can have, you know, yet still, we still need our space, we still need our independency. We don't need to be smothered all the time. But at the same time, you want to know that that person's there when you need them. So, what does a man want? That's easy. You know, easy creatures, you know, it just it depends. Men, men just want, you know, time. They want their independency time, they want a lot of sex, they want, um, they want to be heard. Right. A lot of more so than anything, you know, you think women want to be heard? A lot of men just want to be heard. They want to, they want to be um acknowledged, you know, about the all their accolades. They want to be, oh, that's great, honey. Wow, we're so proud of you. That's that's the pat on the back. You know, it's one thing that I tell my partner, I go, for me, it's like, I go, look, I don't need much. You know, I feel like we're always trying to connect because our lives are busy. And so I said, look, uh, sometimes you just have to just put a finger on me and just touch my shoulder. I'm like, ooh, that makes me that that gets me going for days, you know. And so I just need to know that you know that I'm here. You know, and because I know our lives are busy once again. I just, once again, it's that acknowledgement. Like I need that appreciation. I'm just like, Chris, you're doing you know, love you, you're doing great, you know, how are things? And that's that's it for me. That'll last me for weeks on end. But when they're when it goes silent, now your brain starts running like, you know, all these things start moving along, like you feel that that disconnect. And I know a lot of couples know what I'm talking about. There's a lot of couples have a disconnect because they're all like, you know, especially when women have kids, the women are with their children all the time, the husband's working, or vice versa, or the even the women are working, right? So you get home, we go to our respective corners, and we want to watch our show. We need our time, we need our breaks, right? But when is that time that you guys actually get together to spend time with each other to connect? Put your phones down, turn off the TV, you know, take that time to just, and by the way, that's usually takes maybe 10 minutes. That's all you need. It's about 10 minutes a day.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Hey, how was your day? Walk in the door, put your stuff in, how was your day? Oh, it was great. Let's talk about it and be present in that time. What we were talking about earlier as well. A lot of people can ask you, how's your day? But their eyes are rolling, they're doing, they're on their phone. Hey, hey, Mark, how's your day? But they're on their phone doing stuff. That's not being present. You're right. Just be present 10 minutes a day.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

So would you agree with your expertise to uh to kind of expand on that? This is my idea of what a man wants. And uh maybe I'm wrong here. We really want just a woman that believes in us more than we believe in ourselves. We want, sure, I mean, uh on the you know, outer end, of course, we want a lot of sex. Yes, we do. We do. We want them to to comply in the bedroom how we want, but ultimately to believe in us and give us the freedom and our creativity, even if sometimes they don't agree with our creative space, right? And with that said, I think that you you hit it off the knock with just saying, like, coming home. Like, let's say, for example, for you, like if you live with your partner or you guys have separate places, but when you guys agree to meet up, having that set set time to like, okay, like I just got home, I just finished doing my work day. Give me a little bit now. Let's reconvene for a couple hours or this X amount of time, let's be with each other fully. And then after that, like, let's go ahead and go our separate ways or do that. How important has that been for you in this relationship to excel and ultimately grow in a flourishing relationship?

SPEAKER_00 36:04

I've learned a lot from that. Um, and like I said, guys, it's been in a lot of relationships, especially being married for 17 years and even with a recent partner of eight years. You know, it's it's one of those things where we get comfortable. And so what I've learned from myself is that, you know, every Sunday we check in, hey, what's your week like? You know, once again, she's a doctor, she's got a lot of moving parts, she's traveling a lot, she's doing things so that I know what the week's like. She knows what I'm doing, I know what she's doing. We now set little time in between, okay, hey, this will be a date night, I'm coming over this night, whatever it may be. But at the same time, like now when I walk in the door, hey, honey, she's upstairs on their computer, you know, doing work stuff. Hey, how much time do you need? How much, how much more time? I got another hour, Chris, and I'll be down. Great. When that hour is up, just come down, you know, spend some time with me for an hour. And then she goes, but then I got to go back. I have a meeting on a, you know, I have a Zoom call, whatever it may be. Great. So now I I can expect the time to spend with her that I can go off and do my own thing in between those times, you know, that she said. And now when we come together, I make sure that our phones are away, we communicate, we are connected, and then we go off to our do our own things. So that expectation management is right. And the tough part is is like if you don't talk about it, it's now becomes assumptions and now becomes well, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do because she's busy, uh, he's busy. So, and no one ever talks about why there's that emptiness in the relationship.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

I love that. So, what that said, too. This is gonna be a generic question, but you can give me the the criteria, and I I say generic because it can go many different angles, and I'm just learning that of just talking to you for the past like 20 minutes and on this topic. What in what scenario is a perfect working relationship, like for example, for you? You have your own business, you have multiple businesses. Your partner has uh her career as a doctor, and I'm sure she has other businesses. She does. How do you guys truly make that flow aside to the Sunday check-ins, aside to the communication we get home when things come up? Like for you, for example, what if somehow after this call or after this podcast, we just land a new partnership and now we have to go drive to Ethica, right? And Lake Forest. Like, how do you navigate that without your partner getting insanely upset because you had a planned dinner for tonight that you planned out two weeks ago?

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Um, it's an understanding of like knowing that how important our careers are, what it means to us, and how it's the exponential growth of what that means to us, right? So, for instance, a lot of time if you're in a new career, you know, and you have a partner that doesn't support that career, it becomes this thing of like, I should be doing this, and then all of a sudden you start feeling a little guilty because they put that guilt upon you, right? So one of the things that I told my partner, and she stopped doing this, but when we first started re-dating again, um, let's say, for instance, you know, uh when she had to go emergency, you know, they had in the OR all day on a case, and all of a sudden they got to go back in at like, you know, 12 at night because they have a liver transplant or whatever it may be. I'm so we'd be out to dinner. I'm sorry because I gotta go. I'm like, and so what I told her from day one, I go, never ever apologize for what you do. Right. I said, because that's on me. I go, I will never be mad, I will never be jealous, I will never feel like, you know, she's not spending enough time with me, and which most couples do after a while. They know what your job is, right? When you get together, they know what you're doing. But then what happens is that animosity starts settling down the road because you aren't spending that time together. And now it becomes a thing of like jealousy. It becomes a thing of like, you know, I don't like what you're doing. It becomes a sense of just like just just bad energy.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

So do you set the expectation in the framework from the jump? Is that what it's like?

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Well, hopefully if you can, but you know, but once again, that that's not a proven fact because sometimes people, like let's say a younger couple, now of a sudden a younger couple, this person now becomes, you know, he was like uh just a regular worker at his business office, corporate office. Now he's the CEO. You can't predict what's gonna happen. Right. But if you're checking in and uh and making sure, by the way, and I mean by checking in, you know, like I said, once again, my partner's really busy. Like she does, and by the way, this is a true story. She does go off to liver transplants in the middle of the night that are like six to eight hour things. And so all of a sudden, we're at home, about to go to dinner or make dinner, like you said. All of a sudden it's like, I gotta go. And I'm like, okay. And but she goes, she goes, I'm sorry, you but she connects with me in that moment and just doesn't leave. She goes, Well, I'll make it up to you, or da-da-da. And we do, we make it up to each other, you know, we make it work, we have those date knives, we check in, but at the same time, we know that our careers are very important right now.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

I I love that. So I think that's the most beautiful thing, just understanding, right? And you said never apologize for following your path and following your career. And I I I mean, who would want that for someone? Think about it. You're with someone and you just want them not to do well. That's the thing. I I don't I don't get it. I think sometimes initially in a lot of relationships, you do, and then you cling to all right, and this is what I've had experience in the past with you cling to getting used to being around that person. So, like you just said it on the money, like career change or career path changes, which means there's more investment on the time on your career as opposed to that person, and then all of a sudden they're like, Well, now you don't care about me, now blah blah blah. But it's just you're focusing on what you need to do to excel. Right. I I don't get it, but I guess maybe it's just because they had a certain expectation of you need to spend Sundays with me, or you need to spend Saturday evenings with me, or you need to spend every evening after I'm off my normal day job for this.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

And if that's the case, then I'm gonna uh that's a two-part or I'm gonna answer on both in two different ways. I'm gonna be the like I always look at both sides of the coin. If the person says that, right to whoever they're saying to their partner, that partner should be checking in, making that person feel connected, comfortable, like reassured, you know, loved. You know what I mean? Like if I'm going off, spend that two minutes of like, hey, we got two minutes, let's connect, da-da-da. That's worth hours and hours and days worth of time that you might not be together, right? The other flip side of it, if someone continues to act that way, that's not your person.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Freaking get out of that relationship. That is not your person. If someone continuously knows and yet you're still connecting and giving them that extra time or trying to make it work as much as best as you can, let's say you're connected and that then that partner that you're talking about is continuously comes home, gives that person the love, shows them is attentive, does all these things for them, is connected, right? And the person still complains, that's not your person.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

Have you seen a lot of women go through this that they still stick with that person when they had a certain agreement from the jump, but they still stick with it because they love them so much or because the sex is good or it depends on you like sometimes why why do we stay?

SPEAKER_00 42:53

There's lots of reasons why. It's like, you know, some people are miserable. Why do they stay together? Some people are like, you know, in a space where they're, you know, they're well to do, they have a lot of money, they're still miserable, right? So there's no real answer to that. You know, yet you might have two of the poorest people in the world who've been together forever and they love each other to death because it would that's that's first and foremost what keeps them together. Right. It's that connection. They're showing up time and time again every day. But, you know, moments, once again, that ebb and flow of life, things change, right? That's why when people we talk all the time, it's very tough when I see people getting married at a very young age, you know. And I'm talking literally out of college or whatever may be. It's like that's that's tough. You haven't lived enough life really, but I'm not saying that it will not work. I'm just saying that the odds are probably against you because you know, you have you haven't even found your stride yet in your own independency, your own life, let alone, let alone your career, let alone having kids. You know, it's a lot of like moving parts. And the ones who get through it, and if I've and if I've and I've seen it, I've seen connected people who are young, like my my sister, my little sister and her husband, my brother in law, they've been married spread out of College and but they communicate really well because they challenge they they challenge each other every day and their careers are busy. They have a they have one child and she's now going off to dental school, but it works. They do time together, they go off on trips together, they spend time together, but you never ever see them together because their lives are super busy. He gets home because he works in the restaurant industry, he gets home at night, they're connected, whether it be 10 minutes, whether it be an hour. So they make it work, you know. So, but I feel a lot of people who have all these things that make it work are too afraid to either say something because they're once again, they're comfortable, or they're too afraid to say something because they're afraid of what the outcome may be.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

I like that. And ultimately, you guys, uh fear is just false evidence appearing real. So it's better to get that conversation out the way because if you're not in the right relationship, why waste your time? Because you don't get the time back, right? You don't get the time back.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

And now a lot of people are afraid to leave because of that fact. They're afraid of that, they're not going to be have the same comfort level, or they're just too afraid of I don't know what's out there. You know, that that that's all fear-based, right? And it's and it's it's valid, you know, it's super valid because when I broke with my with my ex, you know, I got uh when we got divorced, the first thing I went, I remember going on one date after, you know, I pulled over and I started sobbing. I was like, what does this mean? It meant to me that I was single again and I'm out in the dating space, I'm not with someone anymore. That was scary, right? So tackle your fears, acknowledge your fears, validate those fears, but you move forward from that and grow and learn from it.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

So would it be fair to say that you tackled your fears by just facing them head on? Like after that one date, it's did you just stop going on dates? No, because I knew I was relevant. Look at me. Come on, Mark, look at me, man. I mean, I'm relevant. I'm doing it for the people that don't understand because a lot of these people are like, oh, I I dated a couple guys or I dated a couple girls, and it's like, no, I I kind of just gave up on that for now.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Like and I understand it because sometimes, and and by the way, all jokes aside, I understand because some people still need to know what their self-worth is, they need to do the work. If you can't jump into relationship to relationship if you haven't worked on yourself, right? You know, I knew my worth, you know, but at the same time, I'll actually I'll I lied about that. I take that back. The reason why I cried because I didn't know what I didn't know what my worth was anymore. And when I got back into the dating space, I was like, I was scared. I was like, am I relevant? But that's what I meant by relevant. Do I know what my worth is out in the space again? You know, I knew back in the day I could, you know, pull girls all day long. But then I was like, I've been married for 70 years, and I can I still do that? And when I got out there after that date, I cried because I go, I still got it. But I also knew that I still had work to do on myself, but I do the work every day. So, yes, there's a lot of people that need to take that time out to figure out what they need for them. Because if you're not whole for yourself, that next relationship is going to be wasted.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

So, for those that don't know, what what is doing the work on your own actually look like in real life?

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Asking yourself what you want, what's what's what's what's, you know, once again, patterns, right? What's what do you not want in the next relationship? You know, what ask yourself, what did I do wrong in that relationship? How can I be better? You know, whether it be going to a therapist, whether that be doing, you know, going to the gym, wellness, whatever it may be, taking care of your health. There's all these come into play, right? So, but you have to work on yourself to make you feel confident and whole. Well, you know, like anybody can like, you know, we like, you know, there's a lot of guys out there and a lot of women as well that prey on the weak, just like you know, like animals out in the wild, right? So you prey on the weak, but that and that person might just latch on, like, oh, someone just, I just want to be loved. How many times have you heard that from me? I just want someone to love me. It's like, and then they latch on the first thing, right? And what happens now? Abusive relationship, maybe, or this person now doesn't have a voice, they're just being, you know, they're with some narcissist that just runs, ruins, and runs their life, right? They're not happy, they're miserable because they haven't taken the time out to find out who they truly are.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

So, from your perspective and from your knowledge and expertise, how does a a woman go about that and start actually feeling their not only feminine energy, but also their their masculine in a willy because in the world we live in, they women really are changing and impacting the world. And we align so congruently now as well. Because I I told you before the podcast that I have a conglomerate now that I'm building for women by Miss Jessica Ramirez, who's connecting with hi Jessica. She's pretty she's so hot, she's so beautiful too. So that makes it easier for her, right? But like building this conglomerate of women where they can connect and empower each other, because we all know that women aren't compensated correctly, they're not dealt with correctly in relationships, or obviously objectified, which again, I'm a man, right? I've done it. Uh, I get it. I'm I'm a dude that loves women, right? But with that said, like, how does a woman take the action after she's realized her self-worth and kind of just go after whatever she wants from what you've seen and from the women that you've been able to coach and work with?

SPEAKER_00 48:50

That's a great question, Mark. Um, a lot of the time, you know, like you said, a lot of women are in the workspace. Let's just start with that fact first. There are a lot of alpha women out there. And sometimes, you know, it's funny because there is this like uh dichotomy where I tell the beta woman to step it up and be confident in your own voice. Like I said, women have all the power, they just don't know it. They just need to find it, right? Um, a lot of women now where they go overly alpha, overly in that masculine space, not their feminine. I tell them they have to dial it down. And so one of the things I can say for both is the fact that, you know, never ever change who you are. Like I feel like a lot of alpha women try to dumb it down for the guys when they're out like trying to be more in their feminine when they don't truly need to be all the time. So I say, look, I go, you know, just you don't have to not be yourself. Never change who you are. You know, learn from your snakes, grow from it, make sure you're doing the work. Um, make sure that you're non-negotiables. Like, you know, you gotta women, especially like, you know, narrow that non-negotiable list down, right? You can't, you can't have this, this, this, and this. And all of a sudden, like, there's no guys for you. Like a lot of women say, there's no good men out there. Well, that may be true, but why don't you look at your list first of things that you're that you have on that list that you are not willing to budge, take some of that stuff off. Now your pool of men have opened up a lot more.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

So be a little bit more open to compromise a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Compromise for sure. But also let's go back to the alpha, alpha woman. You know, yes, I appreciate the fact that you found your life. You know, you're doing great in the workspace, you have a voice, you're a strong, independent woman. But at the same time, you have to recognize that that's not going to match up with most guys very well. So you have to be able to allow, be in your feminine when it's needed. That's and I'm not saying once again, don't dumb it down for the guy. That's different. You know what I mean? Stay who you are, but just go in your feminine because that's attractive. That's what attracts us to women in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

That's so empowering, I think, because it's kind of like in different scenarios for a guy, right? Like code switching, right? You're not going to speak to the same corporate guy how you would to somebody on the street, right? Absolutely. And you're not going to speak to the same somebody person that's in the street to somebody who's helping you uh when you're getting served. You could treat them all with respect, but you might speak to them all a little bit differently.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Absolutely, right, right. And that's and but that takes that takes an understanding and knowledge and awareness. Right. Most people, once again, I've met a lot of people where they just, when they talk to you, I'm like, don't talk to me like that. I was like, I'm not, I'm not your one of your little employees. You know what I mean? It's like this, my you know, my ex was like that a lot until we finally found our balance. Like she used to come really hard all the time, like, you know, and like you know, she's a corporate woman, um, really big in the corporate industry. But it was like, that's how she came home and spoke to me. And I was like, you know, you don't talk to me like that. It's like, look, just talk to me, like, you know, don't talk to me like I'm one of your employees. And so most people don't know how to dial and find that right balance.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

How did you find the right balance from just experience or experience?

SPEAKER_00 51:40

Yeah, just trial and error, like anything else, you know. Like I said, it's like what you see is what you get. It's like, you know, what you're hearing on the show, this is who I am through and through. I always told myself I was never like no one impresses me. I get impressed, but I always said that no one, there's no one better than me. So even clients that I know or friends that I have, like I never root, I never know what most of my friends do. Probably still know a lot of my friends do because I don't care. I like them for who they are. Like one of my friends, for instance, like, you know, he's a like an award-winning composer. He came home with an Emmy one night. He goes, Hey, Chris, I'm having a party at mouse. Know the guy for two years, right? Before at this time, I've done for 20 plus years now. But two years in, hey, Chris, I'm having a party. I go, okay, great. I'll show up. I'm out right now, but I'll come in around midnight, whenever. And this there's an Emmy award sitting on his table. I'm like, Who's is this? He goes, It's mine. I go, wait a minute, you just won this? He goes, Yeah. I go, I'm what do you do again? And but he's such a great guy. Like, I don't care about what people do. That doesn't impress me. What I'm saying is their character and how you show up. That's what's impressive.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

I love that. I'm gonna get a little selfish here and ask you a question that I just read that I I think is very important for a young man, any man that's looking to date a high value woman. And you tell me and you give me the criteria if this question is too generic. What do high value, emotionally intelligent women do different on a first date?

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Wow. No, on a first date, um what they should do is just sit back and let the guy audition for them. So I I can't answer that any better than that because I feel like a lot of like let's say the more insecure ones will try to lead the date by just talking too much and sharing too much about who they are. Whereas maybe a high value woman, and let are we talking one that's in their alpha state, let's say, or where they're at. That's why that's a tough one to handle. Okay, yeah. So they try to lead in a different way. They lead by just trying to hate to say it, but they try to bully you into submission. They try to see if you let's see, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna just say stuff and see if he can come back and handle it. Okay. You know what I mean? So once the guy is like a little shovel of a shell corner, you know, I feel guys like sorry, guys, I'm laughing. Sorry for the weaker guys who don't know how to handle this because the weaker guys will just sit there and just like, okay, like, oh my God, I like, you know, I scared in the corner, where another alpha guy will sit there and be like battle herd to where it doesn't work out because now he's like, you're not gonna talk to me like that. You know, and so they it's it's almost like this now they're in a fight, sort of this conflictual type of date, whereas I tell the woman, I go, either any, I don't care if you're beta, alpha, you're you know, if you're introvert or extrovert, let the guy audition for you. When he he should be asking the questions, he should look around on how he behaves with you know his etiquette, with his chivalry. Oh, is he is he opening doors? Is he talking to the weight staff correctly? Is he being a kind person, you know, not with an ego, oh, I got this, or you spilt this or you did this, and like, you know, or I got this, look at my shoes, I got this car in the front. No one wants to hear that shit. Nobody does. You know what I mean? So I don't care if it doesn't matter if of an emotionally intelligent woman or not. Some guy who's just of that level that they've chosen sometimes is not the right frequency for that person. And this is why I did a um, I did a uh my first um speaking gig on my own, like my own stand-up, not I don't want to call it standup, my own first speaking gig, where I called it stay in your dating lane. Everyone has a lane, you know. Sometimes a lot of guys go outside that lane because they think they think more with their lower half versus their brain. Right. So they see a woman what's for you know, we're more physical, right? Right. So a guy will for most likely walk up to a girl. It's it's it's I go, it's the power of numbers. I'll go up to like 20 girls, one of those girls got a hit. Everything so whereas me, I'll walk into a room, you could you could put a hundred women in front of me. Let's say I'll go I'll go 10, put 10 women in front of me. I know exactly the two or three or one that I'm talking to in that moment. Are you able to do that based on energy or observing observing their energy and the way that they're communicating with each other, you know, and their body language? Body language, all of it, you know. But most like I will never ever walk to a woman cold, ever, because that's just the death on a door.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Give uh the people a couple tidbits or a couple golden nuggets on how to read body language, how to read their energy that you're uh are willing to share.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Okay, so let's let's first and foremost see how they're speaking with their friends, how they're in their friend group. So let's go with that. How when a guy approaches them, especially if she's a really beautiful woman, how a guy approaches them, how she's her body language is to that guy, how she's acting them. Because first and foremost, she might well remember this, guys. A lot of women who are very beautiful in uh in any space, any social setting, they have their guard up for the most part. You know, let's unless she's just super outgoing and just super cool. That's the one that I love the most for she's like, she'll talk to any guy, even though if he's a douchebag or if he's like a you know a little nerd, right? They will compliment, they will appreciate anyone, talk to them in, they will engage as if that person is the best looking guy in the world or whatever it may be. They treat them the same. That's that's I love those women, right? That woman is like, she's my people. Um, but then you have women where they're always taken aback because they have their guard up because so many guys have hidden on them so much that day already that they're just like they're over it. So that's the stuff you look for. Body language, you look for the way that they're speaking with their friends, you look at the way that they handle how they're looking around the room. That's another thing, too. Some women are just the guys do the same thing. They're just sitting there, they know they're hot, they're shaking their head, they're looking around, their friends are talking, but yet, you know, as we're talking right now, they're looking beyond you, over you, around, just like trying to see who's looking at them. Those are the women I will never approach either. You know, it's like I'm like, you know what? She's not worth anyone's time because she's so into herself that she's looking around, seeing who's looking at her. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

And when you say read their energy before you speak to them, is that based off body language too, or is that based on them talking to their talking, laughing, you know, laughing.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

So what do we look for? Laughing is infectious, right? The way that they're, you know, giggling with their friends, their energy leaning towards a person talking with them or whatever it may be. Sometimes, you know, like you've probably had this before. I mean, I I know I have, which where someone will come up to you or with your partner or just a friend, like, oh my God, you guys are like, I just want to be around you guys. I just, I just walking by and looking at you two, and you guys seem like this is where the fun is.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

You know, or you guys look like a great couple, or you know, you guys like I've had people, I remember I was in um uh can one time, we were there um before we went to Paris, and this guy was walking past this little like bar, and me and my you know, my partner, we were on the dance floor, dancing, run around. He just walks in, starts dancing. Hey, what's going on? He goes, I don't know. I was just walking by and I just literally walking by outside, and I looked through the door and I saw you two dancing. And I mean, there's like 20 other people in there. He goes, You guys look like fun and cool. I just wanted to be next to you. That's giving off the energy. That's energy, you know. I love it. Everything is right, and when you respond by going, Yeah, hey, come dance or whatever, that he picked up on the right cues. It was great.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

I love that. So would you say then? Because I I I can agree to that, but then I think because how we met and how you understand me a little bit more, I'm such a go-getter that I'm gonna go and shoot my cold shot just because I want to, just because I'm maybe because I door knocked for so long, or maybe just because in this life I haven't been able to get anywhere without doing the cold approach. Right. For men that are looking for cold approaches or do the cold approach, is there any suggestions that you would give to them?

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Yes, do it the reason and I'm gonna toot your horn here. So, what you just heard Mark say is that cold approach does work when you're being authentic and real. Like one thing about you, when you came in, it's like, you know, one that energy you gave off was like, that's why I admired you. Like you were just curious. You had no agenda. There was like you were just curious to be around people who had more knowledge than you and you were ready to soak it up and learn from that. You know, that's a difference. So most of the time, when on the cold approach, that's one thing that I will agree with and validate by saying, like, most of the time, if you just walk up to someone and say, Hi, and it's genuine, nine out of ten times people will read that generosity and that genuine genuity and that energy and be like, Hey, and now you've let their guard down, they're open. Wow. Wow, that's awesome. This is why I always say I I it's it's been used a lot and it's it's overly used, by the way. But leading with your true authentic self, hands down, will always win.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

So for those people that are so into themselves, or maybe they've lost their authentic self along the way, especially in this place that we live in, Lost Angeles, right? How how do you find your true authentic self if you're not putting in the work on your own?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

Yeah, it's a tough one. And I I can't say that, you know, a lot of people have been jaded in life. We've obviously, once again, it just depends on your backstory, you know, like we've been hurt, we've been abused, we've been, there's lots of pain, we've been jaded, we've been um, you've we don't trust people. So all these things come into play that make us who that person is that you just talked about. So how to let that go is you have to allow your someone in in order to make a difference to change that up. And that's where someone like myself comes in, where it's like, I love talking to all different walks of life, you know, like you said, from a CEO to a person on the street to whatever, because everyone has a story. And it's that person that may change the way that you believe in someone like me turning in that person's wallet. Wow, he tr he's trusting again now. You know what I mean? It's like someone has to start that movement, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

And it starts with ourselves, ultimately, right? Yeah. Is there anybody in your life specifically that helped impact you to make you be such a wonderful human being?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:58

I'll give that to my mom. She's passed away, but I love my mom a lot. I love her too. My mom was always like, you know what? My dad was like the enforcer or the discipline in a good way. You know, it's like he's always been like, what are you doing with your life? You need a job, you need to do this, you need to have that. And so it made me go, wow, I I gotta have my shit in order, you know, in life, right? My mom was like, as long as you're a good person, Chris, I know all that other stuff. That's that's the easy stuff. You know, they've already implemented that through schooling and whatever it may be. But she kept saying that no matter what you do, just remember being a good person and don't ever be afraid to chase your dreams.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

That's amazing. What's your mom's name?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:33

What was your mom? Betty Lewis. Betty Lewis passed away seven years ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:37

Sorry for your loss, but uh no, she was an amazing human being and an amazing woman because we wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for her. Shout out to all the mothers. Yeah, shout out. Man. Um so we're we're getting close to the wrap here. But while I still have this amazing human being in front of me, we want to lead with a little bit more value. What are the hmm? How do I ask this without sounding so controversial and horrible? I like controversy. Go ahead, Mark. How do you distinguish a woman who just wants you for your money as opposed to a woman who wants you for you as you're, you know, growing as an individual? Because a lot of the men that are following me now are starting to see that I'm somebody who's growing in value. How do you distinguish those two things?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

I mean, it's like you attract what you want. Oh let's just say that, right? Um, I've never had a woman come for me for money, you know, but yet I present myself and I have, but you know, I have all that, but it's never been that way because it's like I attract what I want. So if you're attracting, you know, if you want us like guys, if you want a girl who's 5'10, hot, model S, whatever, maybe big booze, whatever, whatever your physical type is, and I lead with that because that's what we look for first, right? And you're not thinking what's inside of that, that's what you're gonna attract. And now you blame that after the fact you've had it going, well, she just wanted me for my money. You created that. Sorry. You know, but if you're smart enough to know that that's not what you want, you want more of a woman of high value who's gonna be by your side, walk the walk with you, be smart, intelligent, sexy, all these other things, you can also get that too. But you have to, you once again, you have to you attract what you get. So you have to get very specific as to what you want. Now, mind you, once again, this is where I debunk all my own rulings because once again, I see every side of the coin. I look at the good side and I look at both sides. I always say I look at both sides, right? In those moments where I go, you know what, Mark, I just want a hot girl. I don't care if she wants more money. I'm I it's all I want. Like I have a few friends like that. They they go, look, I just want a young girl who I can pay stuff for. I don't care. And then when the girl takes advantage of them, they know that they don't care though. Yep, that's what I got what I wanted, she got what she wanted. Once again, they're honest about it, right? They weren't lying about it. Well, gee, I want I thought that's what I wanted, but like, dude, you always wanted just the hot girl. Own own up to it, you know. Don't be afraid, don't lie about it, you know, because that will also, those layers will get unpeeled by that person, and all of a sudden you see that's the stuff as well. So once again, you attract what you get. And if you're the flip of that, you want what you want, be honest about it. I can't fault a person for being honest for what they want.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Do you when you uh decided that you wanted to start pursuing relationships again? Did you write down specifically what you wanted out of a woman and what you wanted to change in yourself? Did you write it down or how did you like implement that? Because I truly believe in writing things down to stick it in my brain. Right. Uh how do you do go about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

Once again, it's it's just life experience. Like, you know, I'm certified, I'm a certified dating coach, uh relationship coach. But um, and I was even fighting to go to get my certification about what, eight years ago. I was like, do I really need this? And sure enough, when I was in getting it, my my mentor at the time, who's a like a really big dating coach, she goes, Look, you don't need it, you know what you're doing, but it's just you just need the certification. People asked, right? People asked it. So um I was asked by this girl about three months ago. Actually, it was over of New Year's Eve, right? Okay. This girl was just a pain in my ass, excuse my language. But it's okay. She literally was like, So, what are you what makes you a dating coach, relationship coach? And and she was, you could tell, like she was already had a ton of issues, and but she kept telling me her issues. And I said, Mine's through life experiences. Like I ever so getting at you, I don't have to write anything down. I grew up this way. It was a learned experience for my whole life. Right. Eight years old, seven years old. You know, I remember when my mom came in on one date when I was eight years old. True story, when she got divorced, divorced my dad, went on one date, Mark, and she came home after the date. I remember I was talking to my grandmother, her mom. Her mom's like, you know, how to go. She goes, you know what? I just want to devote my time to my kids. I'm done dating. Never dated again. And I was like, wow. I go, I just want to devote my time to my mom at that age. If she's gonna give her time to us, I'm gonna devote my time to being the best kid that I can be. My sisters were crazy. Here I am, good kid all the time. Nothing worse than going, you guys are driving me nuts. You're all bad kids. I'm like, but I'm the good kid. You know, I would never say it out loud, but I knew that's what I was gonna be until I went off to college because I wanted to make sure being the only male figure in the house, I didn't need to give her grief. I didn't need To be running in the streets, I need to be, you know, I need to be as the best person in that scenario I could. So I learned, I listened, I watched, and that's how I got my experience. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

And would you say that that stuck with you? I mean, because I the only class that I truly enjoyed in college was child and family development. So would you say that that's something that was like a pivotal, like not milestone, but pivotal like stone in your brain from that young age?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:28

It was. And you know, like anything else, what do we do when we feel like we are good at something? We need that sort of validation and reassurance, right? So every time I'm doing something, even now, yes, I've read the books, yes, I've done the research. You know, you could call out any major, you know, um, author of any great relationship book. To be honest, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know their name. A lot of people quote names and stuff. I don't do that just because of the fact that I did walk the walk of life. Right. I'm very sure of myself in this space, you know. So I can go up against, and I've had lots of people who are validated experts, mentors to me, where they're like, damn, you know your shit. And it makes, and I'm like, wow, okay, I truly know what I'm talking about. So, but you know, you still seek that validation out to make sure that you're know what you're doing. You have that expert level. I'm never gonna say I'm an expert, and I still don't say I'm an expert. I just know what I'm talking about because I've lived the I've walked the walk and I've talked the talk.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

So, what do you have to do to become actually certified to become a dating coach? What does that look like? Paying the money. Paying the money.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

So there's no classes. Showing up the class. No, there's classes, you know, there's showing up the class and just paying the money. And I did that for I did that for a six-week course, you know. Uh, there was like a two-year class. I go, I don't need all that. I just want to just go through this and I chose correctly. You know, I didn't know. Did I show up for every class? No, there's there's, you know, there's two-year courses. There's like a weekend course, there's like, you know, just like getting your real estate license. Okay. You know, there's different ways of learning, and everyone needs different ways of learning, right? Like let's say you're, let's go with the real estate thing, right? Someone who doesn't really truly know real estate might go, uh, I'm more of a book student. I need that, I need to do the two-year class, where someone might be a fly by the sea of their pant kind of person. I'm just doing the three-day weekend thing. And they're, but they that's all they need. They're good at that. Me, I took for me, the six week, actually, I take the battle. It was a three-week class. Sorry, six weeks. I took an extra one after that because I wanted to learn a little bit more about one specific thing. But the three-week thing, I was like, like sleeping half through it because I already knew what they were talking about. I felt confident, like they would just, it just reassured what I was doing. It validated that I know what I'm doing, and this is great. Because all these other people in the 30 in the class on Zoom are like, excuse me, blah, blah, blah. They were learning. And I was, and I never felt like I was belittling them or felt better than them. I actually took that time to listen to why, you know, like I appreciated the fact that they were in this space. So was that an extra piece of credibility for you? It was, but it made me also learn, you know, once again, you're learning more about people, and that's what I love as well. I'm always curious. And I made sure I always said, Chris, you look, you're here, learn, even though like I feel like I'm tuning out every now and then, but I'm listening because it's gonna only validate what I'm doing. Right. To make me feel like I'm doing it right.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:01

I love that. So, and for anybody who wants to like pursue what you're doing, right? Because I'm sure by the end of this podcast, people are gonna be motivated and like, yeah, I will I want to coach women, I want to date women, I want to be around more women. Uh, this is something I want to do. Everybody wants to be hitch. Everybody does, right? I mean, this man is doing it for real. Or Dan Belzarian.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

You know Dan Belzarian? Everybody wants to be Dan Belzarian. Everybody does.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

Everybody isn't. He's he's worked with them and he's got to interview him, by the way. So keep uh looking at what he's got going. He's got a lot of big things coming. Um how would you, or what would you say, or what suggestions have you learned along the way that's somebody's new that's gonna pursue what you do? Um, what would you say to them prior to them starting?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

Um, first, just believe in what you're doing, you know, like with any job, right? You're like if you're gonna do it, I hope that you actually take the time to continuously, it's continuous education, right? It's like any doctor, any lawyer, any any in any field of anything. Why do you think people go off to school, graduate school, and even some decide to get their MBA later in life? There's a thirst for knowledge. And so, um, and believe in what you're doing. Like, even if it's like you feel like you may not be the best person in that field, like you know, like let's go with sports, right? You're you might be the rootie of the of the football team, but that doesn't mean that you quit. You start you, if you believe in what you're doing, do it. That's all. I'm never one to sit there and go, like, who's who's to say that I can judge what you're doing? You know, yes, I I love when people come and ask me questions, and I'm more than always happy to sit down with them and let them know my path and what I've done, you know, and I'm very transparent about it, you know. I and I've I've actually talked to a lot of people who are arrogant about it where um they turn me off. And I was like, uh, wow. Like it's like I just, you know, it kind of made me sad because it's like, wow, you're at this space where you could be helping others underneath you to be their mentor, but yet you're too much of a fuckhead or too much of a B-I-T-C-H to even allow that to happen. So I'm over it. Right. I walk away. So I hope that, you know, that these new people that come in find the right mentor that are gonna help them grow and learn their craft and become successful and not someone to turn them away because you feel like, you know, they're just now they're just taking up my, they're taking my clients away.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

You know, they're being too greedy.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:14

And is there a hmm, is there a couple things that like you live by now that has helped you change and ultimately grow more as an individual? Because since last time we saw each other, you've grown so much. I've grown so much. Yes, you have. Is there anything that you uh suggest or that's helped you along the way, I should say?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:32

Yeah, don't be afraid to go for the gold. I guess these way I can say it. You know, like I said, it's like a lot of people, what's the what's the first thing that stops us from doing something? It's yourself. It's because you're afraid, right? The one that stops you from reaching the heights of what you want to accomplish and do in life, it's yourself. I don't care if people around you might not believe you, but how many people, how many stories have we heard that someone says, wow, we didn't believe in what they were doing, but yet they became like a major artist, they've become a major CEO, they've they've created, you know, they're they're Amazon now, they're you know, they're whatever, they're Bezos, they're this guy, they're they're Steve Jobs, you know, like because they took a chance and they believed in themselves. Don't ever let anyone tell you you can't do something until you try it out and take it to the fullest. I've had someone off of this question to finish this off for us today. Um, I've had someone ask me, have you ever failed at anything? Out of everything I done. And you know, I took a minute more to go, huh? And I thought about it as I'm sitting with this person, I go, I've never failed at anything. I've learned. I might have, I might have had things. Now here's the reason why. I might have had something that didn't completely go suc was complete success, or I had the drop it or whatever it may be, but I've never failed. And the reason why is because I've tried everything that I wanted to do or try to do, I've done it. I was never afraid not to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

So what would you say to people that say, oh, you're spreading yourself too thin? Oh, you want to do all these different things, it's not possible for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

That is, and I agree with that. I agree with that. Because but some people have more bandwidth than others, right? It's like it's like being an investor. Some people might have just invested in Apple, right? But some people might invest in Apple, Bitcoin, and you know, um, freaking Nike, right? But it depends on your bandwidth. That's why I say to everyone, if you learn how to wait tables, I feel like waiting tables should be the new litmus test, standard litmus test and standard for being like a manager at a job or whatever, or anything, and just like that's the person you hire. Like anyone who can take eight, like, you know, let's say the minimal is of you could handle four tables, right? People struggle with four tables in the restaurant industry. I was in the restaurant industry, I was Molly, right? That was my that's my home job when I was off gallivant and I'd come home and wait tables. I could handle eight to ten tables easily. I loved it because I knew how to time manage and do all that stuff. So there is not, it's not that you're spreading yourself too thin. It's like how much is how how full is your cup?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

Right. So is there anything else that you want to leave off with, Mr. Christopher Lewis? And I appreciate you taking the time. He took the time and let me set up it to take a little bit longer than usual. But uh anything else that you want to leave off with before we go ahead and close out?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

Uh, the best thing that I can say that's the top of my head right now is guys, and Mark and I talked about this before we got on air was just be present. Enjoy what's going on now. You know, there was a point in my life where until just recently where I did not, I mean, you could ask me this, what so Chris, what's success mean to you? Right. I would be like, I don't know because I haven't achieved it. And then when I finally stayed present and not looking beyond where I'm at in this moment right now, I realized that I'm fucking successful. Right. You know, but I because I was trying to reach so many different goals and try to strive to be the next, be like Mike, let's say, right? Or be like this person or whatever it may be. I didn't know what that meant, but now I do. It's just so be present, guys. And if you can stay present, you're realizing so much more in your life that's going on that's gonna make you happy, that's gonna make you successful, and that's gonna make you a better partner in a relationship.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

You guys heard it here with Mr. Christopher Lewis, the man himself. I'll leave all of his information down below. He's got to go to his next meeting, Mr. Office of the Day, Mr. Mark Anthony. And we're going to the no with it. Uh, you guys will see a lot more information coming by soon. He's got his uh book coming out, he's also got an event coming up in Dallas. Uh, it's May 23rd, am I correct?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

Royal Day weekend, Saturday, May 23rd.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:25

May uh we'll leave that information down below. Thank you so much. And uh as always, a pleasure seeing you, and I can't wait to continue to see your growth. And uh, I was really glad to get to connect with you again.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

Thanks, Mark. Thanks for having me on today.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

Thank you, Kriko Mommy. We'll talk to you soon, beautiful ladies.