Episode 11: Can Humour Heal You? Comedy, Creativity, Self-Worth & Recovery with Amelia Bayler

In this episode of Too Sober For This, Shell and Iain are joined by comedian, musician and latex enthusiast Amelia Bayler for a conversation that starts with comedy and recovery… and somehow ends with dead hamsters, latex bodysuits, AI art, ice cream that looks suspiciously inappropriate, and arguing over who you’d save in a fire.

We talk about what it actually looks like to build a life after drinking, when sobriety stops being your whole identity and starts becoming the thing that quietly gave you your life back. There’s loads in here about comedy, creativity, self-worth, body image, relationships, collaboration, mental health, and learning how to stop talking to yourself like your own worst enemy.

Shell, Iain and Amelia also get into the overlap between humour and pain, using comedy as a defence mechanism, and the difference between laughing at yourself versus genuinely hurting yourself for other people’s entertainment. There’s also a big conversation around AI and creativity, whether art loses something when it’s generated instantly, and why collaboration and community matter so much in recovery and creative work.

In this episode:

• Why sobriety doesn't have to become your whole personality
• Comedy, self-worth and making yourself the butt of the joke
• Body image, confidence and learning to actually like yourself in recovery
• AI art, ChatGPT and whether creativity loses meaning when everything is instant
• Asking for help, collaboration and why recovery teaches people not to do life alone
• Edinburgh Fringe chaos, comedy flyers and sweating inside latex
• Relationships, identity and finding confidence without alcohol
• The continuing debate over whether you save the dog or the human in a fire

As always, there’s also sober overthinking, Glasgow stories, celebrity gossip, emotional support sausage dogs, questionable ice cream descriptions, burgers eaten in PVC outfits, and more proof that sobriety does not automatically turn you into a calm or sensible person.

Listen now on all podcast platforms, and if this episode gets you thinking, send us your thoughts. Have you ever used humour as armour? Do you think AI can ever replace real creativity? And honestly… who are you saving in the fire?

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Live dates in EDI / LDN / GLA including EDI FRINGE ➡️ https://linktr.ee/ameliabayler

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Hello and welcome to this week's new episode of Too Sober for This with your hosts, Shelley Raghini, and my lovable companion Ian Anderson. Ian Anderson. And uh this week uh we have actually got a third companion. If you remember a few weeks ago we had so much fun with the wonderful Ben Gibbs, we've decided to make this couple a thropple one more time, and we are joined by the wonderful Amelia Baylor. Amelia, hi.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

Hello, thanks so much for having me. I cannot believe I'm finally in your thropple. I didn't know that's what this podcast was, but I thought it was about sobriety.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_05 1:09

It's a lavender marriage.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

It's about middle-aged sex games and Dubai chocolate ice cream sandwiches. More on which, more on which shortly. Anyway, Amelia is a comedian, a podcaster, a DJ, and musician, and a DJ with a punk band called Amelia and the Snacks. Uh, loves doing her comedy about relationships, mental health, food, and mainly is just all about embracing who we are. She's a sober superstar and the person that in fact Ian credits with uh pushing him into his comedy career. So depending on where on the line you stand with Ian's comedy, you'll either love Amelia or hate her. And it's so good to have you with us. So, yeah, like I say, last time we had uh Ben with us, Ben being my friend. Um, but now we've got your friend here to be in. Are you feeling like an excited toddler, like showing off your toys because your mate's here?

SPEAKER_05 2:03

Well, because I was like, we were thinking, like Shelle said to me, Who would you want to have on? And I was like, I don't really have anyone that I think is going to be particularly entertaining, to be honest with you, in the drip, dry sobriety circles I move in. But then I was like, oh my god, Amelia, the moistest of friends. I'm very moist. She's so moist.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Oh god, I need to. I'm gonna have to stop the podcast immediately. I have more use of that word.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

Moist.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

I'm a moist comedian. I thought, oh my god. It's so funny. You you then said you were like suddenly out of nowhere, and I'd asked you probably about two months previous, and then suddenly out of nowhere, he's like, Oh, what about my friend Amelia? And literally describes me, but as a different you. And I was like, How have you not mentioned this person before? We're basically this, we're destined to be besties. What are you doing in the way about friendship?

SPEAKER_05 2:55

I think the thing about it is like I well, this is probably why myself and Amelia got on, because sobriety is a footnote in the gift that is her life, like she has more than just I don't drink and drug, like which unfortunately we're in, we're both comedians, and like she's more than her recovery, which is what recovery is all about to me. Like, to the point where if you're doing your recovery right, you almost don't know the person's in recovery because it's not all they are. And Amelia's comedy is so much more than that, and she's also like Amelia Pie hands because she like is a musician, she's you know, she works in hospitality, she's actually a pop star. Like, if you follow Amelia on Instagram, she has this banger of a song called I'm Actually a Pop Star when she was doing her work in progress in Glasgow in 2025, I think it was. Yeah, I said to her, please put it in the set. She wasn't going to put it in the set. I went, please! Like it was a fan request. So I'm a huge fan of her work, and also she's a really good example of recovery being a bridge to life and not being like your whole deal.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

I mean, I'm not getting insulted as I hold my We Recover Loudly mug from my merchandise.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

I have a show called Trama, and I know it fight is a bit jarring, but sometimes people like Amelia talks about being in recovery and stuff in her comedy. But the one thing I've noticed is there's probably people that don't even realise she doesn't drink, and I get that people have offered to buy me pints uh at my gigs, even though they follow me on Instagram. So, like it is interesting that you can be like you can be many things, and some people it's kind of all they have.

SPEAKER_04 4:36

Alright, bitch. I've got more than that. I know you do. I mean, I don't know, you know, you've been very complimentary of me, and I I really appreciate that. I don't really look at other people and think that at all, but what I do find interesting in what you said was when people don't realize that you don't drink because when you reach a certain level of being sober, like I'm nearly eight years now, you learn so much about how to be comfortable in situations without a drink or drug. And like I feel so much more confident now in myself, but that took a long time. So the first gig I went to, I felt awkward, the first club I went to, I felt awkward. And then recently I went to Berlin and I went to the Bergheim by myself, like completely sober, you know, the massive club. And like that was only because I'd spent time getting to know myself and like learning how to be sober in all these situations, and now when I'm in social situations, I actually have such a good time, and I think that's the biggest thing that I was kind of unexpected. Was like, I didn't think that I would still be able to do these things and have fun. Like, I thought it would always be awkward, but actually, it just takes like several years. That I've honestly so like so that's such a compliment you say in that I just had told you these are the gigs to do, Ian. I was like, these are gigs, go for it. This is the French, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:58

No, because like I'd started, I'd been doing comedy about three months, and to actually just to dial back to clarify my previous statements, is I was thinking about myself obviously, because I'm an artist, and um like the difference is I'll never tell someone to get sober, like it doesn't appear anywhere in my vernacular. You'll never actually. I think the reason that people don't realize is because I don't actually tell people what to do with our life, like anywhere in my life, like my comedy, I don't tell people to think, act, and vote a certain way, like it's just not the way I I work, and that is one of the gifts of recovery is like this is me, but I don't think my version of me is good for you. I think if you were to live like me, you'd kill yourself, right? So, like I think that that's another thing. Like, I've seen like different shows of yours where you're very hard on your sleeve about your mental health, you talk about recovery, you talk about it really openly in your Instagram and in your views and stuff, and then there's stuff that's absolutely nothing to do with that, it's about being in hospitality and stuff. And the one thing you don't tell people what to do is you don't tell other people how to live, and I think that's comes with comfort with yourself, like when you talk about that. I wouldn't go to a party and expect the party to change for my comfort, right? And like I don't go into social situations and set the rules before I can engage with people. Like, I understand it's my responsibility to find a way to be comfortable or go home, right? And I think that's kind of that's you, but I'll explain how Amelia basically is responsible for the plane crash that is my comedy career. So I have an ex-boyfriend who is a friend or was friendly with Amelia and the fellowship in Glasgow. Amelia and I had crossed paths once or twice on a Zoom meeting. I think we knew each other's faces, but like we couldn't really place each other, it was the weirdest thing. So then when I got into comedy and I decided about three months into comedy, I was definitely going to Edinburgh to become a superstar because that's where they're made, Amelia in basement, right? With no microphone in a room that I was too tall for. But I had my ex, who's a friend of mine, said, Oh, you should get in touch with my friend Amelia, she'll be really helpful. And so I messaged her, and of all I'd been messaging comedians for ages, and she messaged me back all the time. She didn't think I was crazy, right? She was like, Go for it, blah blah blah. And um, it was just so helpful. And now that I know Amelia a little bit longer, is because she's as mad as me, and I think that that is like the thing about being a comedian is you actually just need to book the room and fucking go for it. That's kind of half the job, and you don't know if anybody's going to turn up, and I really appreciated that support. And then when I was in Edinburgh last year, I sorry the first year in 2024, she kept doing a mental health check on me to check how I was. Like she kept she kept messing me, she's like, Are you alright, babe? And I was like, I hate firing. She went, I fucking hate firing, just don't do it, give them nothing, just hand them the flyer and don't talk to them. Like, oh and then my very, my very, very, very last show, Amelia came along and uh at the end she had a bag full of Tonic's tea cakes.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

So snacks in our bags. I loved it. Yeah, snacks in my bag. Do you know it's funny you were talking about not trying to push your values or whatever on people in your show or in day-to-day life, and I do think that's something I learned from going to Al Anon, which is like the sister fellowship to to the other ones that are around, and that's all about keeping the focus on yourself and not trying to control people, and I feel like that's really something that's very subtly infiltrated my life, you know. And I'm not I don't want to be like on example of these things, you know. I mean, that's not how I live my life, but I just think it's interesting how you're saying, Oh, I'm not doing that in my shows. I think your personal values can really come through in your comedy if you have like strong values in your life. So, like, yeah, not telling people they need to get sober is quite an important one because actually they need to reach their own rock bottom and stuff like that. And that's painful, you know, it's painful, but definitely hard to watch, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

But it's interesting, you touched on something that we actually talked about last episode, and this is very much the format of this um this episode, dear listeners, is that we're gonna chat with lovely Amelia about some of our recent topics to get to get a third person's input. And you touched on something already that we talked about only last episode, which was words and terminology and the power behind them. And I very much still struggle to identify with the word addict, alcoholic, and I very much keep it in my past, even though I have a brand that's called We Recover Loudly. Um, it's very complex. I definitely need to see a therapist. Um, and um what you know, how about yourself? There's sides that suggest we are not our disease, gabble mate, you are not your disease, you don't need to continue to refer to yourself in the past. We'll go on meetings, there's lots of people who are very like recovering or recovered and stuff like that. Or there's people like Ian shed, it's like I wake up every morning, I know I'm an alcoholic, and for me that is important for my sobriety. Um, how about you? Well, how do you how do you get on with that word?

SPEAKER_04 11:22

God, you know, I think yeah, it's important to me to have some labels in my life and other ones aren't as important. It's important to me to say I'm an alcoholic, I'm an artist, I'm queer, you know, like you know, like I do have mental health issues. I don't need to go into like super label detail with them, but I think the importance of saying I'm an alcoholic is to say I I can't control how much I drink, I can't stay stopped, you know. When I say that, it's actually encompassing all of those things. Like when I say I'm a mean and I'm alcoholic, it's actually meaning I keep affirming with myself I can't pick up that first drink because I won't be able to stop, I won't be able to stay stopped, I won't be able to control my drinking. And I I think like it's interesting. I had a really interesting um chat with someone close to me who's also sober, and they said the amazing thing about saying I'm a media and I'm an alcoholic is that people accept that, and then you can use that in all areas of your life. So, for example, if I am to say I'm queer, then that's you know, people respect that, and I use that when other people say this is who I am, then I respect that and accept that. I think it's such a powerful thing, but obviously I also respect everyone else's labels, use of the labels. I even respect people that say I'm a recovered alcoholic. Like I just let people be who they are and navigate the world of sobriety, and also some people's sobriety might not look like mine, you know. I know that I can't use any substance, I know that I can't drink, but there are some people in my life that might have a different attitude towards what sobriety is, and actually I have to let them do their thing. I probably won't categorize them as like people that are sober in fellowship or whatever because they're not doing the the deal, I guess, if if some people might still use other substances, but it's like letting them do that in their own way.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

Yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. There's a guy I know here in Barcelona, and he loves telling people he doesn't drink, but he always does MDMA, and I think it's so funny. Like that he's so proud that he doesn't drink.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

I'm like, It's a good one to keep going though, isn't it? It's okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

But like I wonder how you so I was six years sober when I started doing comedy, so I was already a little bit along the road. I think you sobriety and comedy kind of happened around the same time, did it?

SPEAKER_04 14:36

So I started when I still drank. Wow, and it must have been a couple of years in that I stopped drinking, and my mum had a friend, Joe, who sadly passed away a couple years ago that she knew from her journey with sobriety, and he I love this guy, he was hilarious. He was from Dundee, he was also really wise, like he had so much experience, and he had seen my shows when I was drinking, and then when I got sober, and sadly he's not with us anymore, but I will remember him saying, like, you have improved so much since putting down the drink and everything else that goes along with that. And I'm like, you know, I really hold on to that. I've known that guy since I was a kid as well. Like, he'd been to see loads of stuff when I was a kid when I was doing little theatre things. So, yeah, I think in some ways, maybe the drink helped me with being delusional because I was really bad when I started comedy. Like I used to wear all black and like I wasn't really myself. But I think when you know yourself better, you are better in in whatever field you go into, and that that has taken me so long to do it.

SPEAKER_05 15:48

Were you were you were you sober when you were a tour guide in Edinburgh?

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Yes, I know you might not think that because when you look at the pictures, I'm wearing like a full-target shoot, and like, but then do you know what's brilliant about mental illness is like I don't have bipolar, but I do have complex trauma where mania can set in, and that's been some of the most exciting creative moments of my life.

SPEAKER_05 16:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:09

But then I wake up one day and I'm like, why the fuck am I a tour guide?

SPEAKER_05 16:13

Yeah, she was a tour guide, and then the reviews were all like, remember you put them on your Instagram, it was stuff like, Oh, she's a really likable, funny character, but she didn't really seem to know anything about history.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

It was like there was one that was honestly, it was like if she would stop acting the goat, which is not the same as being the goat, like the greatest of all, acting the goat is so bad. She might actually gain some respect from the people on this tour. Like, I got absolutely destroyed. It was that's intense anyway. That was a detour. We've all had detour life.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

No, but I look what an experience. I would do that detour for the pictures. Like I said to Leo one time, I was like, Amelia was a tour guide once. Maybe if comedy doesn't work out, I could get into tour guiding in Barcelona.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Like, you would be an excellent tour guide in Barcelona, but the best thing would be they'd all show up and you'd be Scottish and they would just be so fucking freaked about and blow their minds.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

I'd blow their tits off.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

I'd love that. I mean, it's interesting you mentioned about comedy, and I something I've shared many times is that creativity and getting my creativity back was a huge gift of sobriety that I didn't realise I was lacking. I am I I I I have yet to put pen to paper, but I've outed myself several times that I am writing a comedy pilot, which Ian will not be credited on, but he will be used as a character. Um but um I'm starting it this weekend. The heat wave is going to bring the creative. Um but the it's interesting that you were saying about how comedy and knowing yourself and being able to be the more you've known yourself, the more that you've found ways to kind of use that within your comedic writing. That's both of you. However, comedy is often used as a defence mechanism. I use it as a defence mechanism a hundred percent. I'm that classic um, I'll say the thing about myself before you say it, you know, like about you know, it might be biscuit consumption normally. Um, I'm for me, it's I know that I use comedy to actually push people away and to create a version of myself, certainly in the past, that doesn't necessarily exist. Whereas you guys use it to really kind of pull people in and like that vulnerability rather. What comments on that little rambling, either of you? What do you think? I mean, comedy is a defence mechanism versus the way you guys use it almost as a way to pull people in. Was that a conscious change, or have you ever used it as a defense?

SPEAKER_04 18:44

It's funny because you sort kind of said it's an either or, but I think it's both. Like I'm saying, guys, I'm not perfect in any way. My life is a fucking mess, but I'm happy, you know? So it's kind of say like so it's kind of weirdly both, like rather than either or. I love being able to to take ownership of the imperfections of life, and I think it's funny because sometimes society not as much now, thankfully, but you know, it's like sells you what your life should look like from a certain age, and you should should want children or marriage at a certain age or whatever, and I really revel in not having that and being really happy about that, you know. Being like, actually, my life is kind of unhinged sometimes and doesn't and is uh not super stable sometimes, but I love it.

SPEAKER_05 19:40

So I think as well with Amelia's well, Amelia's a musical comedian, so like watching her show is like a fever dream because like she'll be in the middle of this really serious like bet and then she'll just burst into songs about Tupperware, like Tupperware's a banger, and this is something I really enjoy about sobriety, is the miracle of life is how ordinary my life is, actually. Uh like I don't like I used to poke fun of myself in early recovery, I wasn't a comedian yet. And my friend in recovery said to me, he's a super happy Australian guy, and he was like five years sober at the time. He's like, I've noticed that you kind of talk shit about yourself in front of us all, and it's really uncomfortable. And what's really funny now as a comedian, I'll sit in the audience at other people's shows at fringes and stuff like that, looking for competition, but I'm not worried. Pushing him down the stairs. I'm not worried, but I was on a I was on a round table recently, and I talk about mental health at my show, and I said my biggest asset for talking about my mental health is that I'm kind of usually at the tail end of whatever I'm going through by the time I bring it to the stage. I know I can't use the audience as a way to get better, right? I find that sometimes people have not understood that, and there are times where you and you must have seen it, Amelia, where you're not sure if it's comedy or not, because the person seems to be having a really hard time on stage, and I think that's what it feels like when somebody hears you making jokes about yourself from a hurtful place, like you just kind of go out. Like, and I've I've pulled you up on it sometimes where I've been like, you shouldn't talk about yourself like that. Like, and I think that's the thing. It's like I did that for the first two, three years. I made comments about my weight, about you know, like the the boys I was dating, uh, about what I was doing at work. Like, I was and then when I think that when you stop talking to yourself like that, you stop being surrounded by people who would talk to you like that. So you kind of set the bar by calling myself an idiot. I've now opened up to everyone call me an idiot. I don't like being called name names, like I didn't sign up for my life to be a roast battle. Like, that's not where I'm at. Like, I don't not even in jest, I don't like it. And I wouldn't do that to someone.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Yeah, and we've we've talked about that as well. Like it's come up in pretty much every episode. The conclusion has been it's like it's that self-worth, it's that self-love. The word that we had with will never not be moist to me, um but self-worth- in a good way, and uh, you know, boundaries and etc. You know, the the one of the most powerful things I've ever seen, and I'm sadly not alone. Uh I'm not sadly not alone, I'm not alone, but because it was just a phenomenon was that Hannah Gatsby's comedy show, Nanette, when they declared how they were no longer going to use themselves at the butt of a joke because they are big, they are, they would always use jokes that would kind of talk about their body, their size, and and it's such an emotional piece of like I I mean it's comedy, but it didn't feel like comedy. It seers you. Like even thinking about it now, I'm getting chills. And I'll put a link in the show notes because if you haven't seen it, it is uh the most exceptional thing. And I guess that must have been I think it's interesting that you've both said it's almost like a journey where you started your comedy in a way that it's not not not a lack of respect for yourself, but again, it's like, you know, being an alcoholic is probably the most disrespectful thing we can do to. Of ourselves. And it's interesting, we kind of come into these things still underplaying and still almost hurting ourselves in a way. Like, oh, we're still the butt of the joke, and my trauma made me funny. But I think it's also quite beautiful that you've both almost stopped doing that or kind of evolved from doing that. And you have like levels of things that you won't accept for yourself anymore. And that's mental, right? Because in the madness, any attention was good attention, right?

SPEAKER_05 23:38

Yeah, I don't know. It's hard because I used to love being like the star of the show at parties. Um and the minute the minute the minute someone was on to the fact that I wasn't what I said I was, a change friend group. I mean, you can't do that at nearly 42, and also I'm engaged now, so I'm hoping the language barrier is enough to keep him at bay. But like anytime there's a misunderstanding, it's because it's not into Galogue. But I um I think for me, even a few years ago, so Amelia has known me since before I've been with Leo, and when I met Amelia, I was coming out of like a mad relationship. Like it was we were sitting eating ramen, like fucking in Glasgow, just absolutely like it's only two alcoholics in recovery could I like super sized, yeah. I supersized my ramen bowl. Do you remember? I was like, extra egg, extra pork, and then we went for this like jizz-adjacent ice cream round the corner, right? And like we were snacking it up, and I was obsessed with this guy at the time.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

Wait, Ian, you need to like expand when you say you said jizz adjacent ice cream, and then you like moved on without describing why it was my head was still going, is that what he said?

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Do I need to edit that out?

SPEAKER_05 25:02

It was served in a condom. No, because Amelia got this, Amelia got this ice cream, and it was so funny, right? We're in this ice cream place in Glasgow, and I turn around and Amelia's like, this with her phone in front of the ice cream. She's like, and so I've got all these pictures like BTS of her taking selfies with fucking ice cream cones, and then she got it was like white chocolate, white chocolate sauce from Big Licks, if anyone listening is in Glasgow.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

White chocolate sauce on the ice cream and then little mini Smarties, and it like sits on top of the Jiz adjacent sauce, but it's my favourite, but yeah, you just skimmed over that.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

Like, I'm sorry, details and it's and I I basically didn't give the Jiz a shout out that it deserved.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

But also people are sleeping on me, like I thought Amelia was a lesbian as well.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Not when it comes to ice cream, Amelia.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

Not when it comes to ice cream, she's Hetty Wainthrops. But um, when I'd broke, well, when I broke things off of that guy and I was throwing myself into taking things to Edinburgh, that was the first time I'd found something in years other than a corporate job. There was something I was so passionate about. Like I was someone in recovery who still look around rooms and go, what's my gift? Everyone's like, Oh, I stopped drinking, I became a sculptor, a painter, a horseback violer. It's so annoying, and I was like, I work in insurance and I'm good at spreadsheets. And then I found comedy and it made me then I realized I started doing a lot of work on self-talk and like positive affirmations and all that woo-woo. I thought it was woo-woo. But then I realised when I started noticing it, I started being uncomfortable with the sights. So at work, I would be a classic Ian, you fuck that, or wrong, it was a wrong formula in an Excel, and I spoke to myself like I'd just shot your wife. And then I was like, oh my god, I speak to myself the way I grew up, which is west of Scotland, early 90s. People called each other names, and that's just that's how I talk to myself. I talked to myself like my parents in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Fuck, that's rough.

SPEAKER_05 27:08

It's rough.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

The 90s is the worst rough, and that's that power of language, like we we talked about last episode, where we we actually didn't really talk about the language we use with ourselves a little bit though. The previous week we talked about body image and how in you know 2026 it doesn't feel any different to when we grew up in the 90s, and again, you two are like out there on stage, giving it large and you know, out there for people to critique, and you're doing it sober. Like, how's that?

SPEAKER_04 27:41

I mean, the body image stuff is so interesting, but you know, I fucking love my body, like and it's not been an overnight thing, like it's not been an overnight thing because I always had the voices of my family who have their own stuff around body image, but over time, over work with several people, I now am like confident in it's interesting, you know, in work. People will be talking about calorie counting and stuff without realizing that that's maybe a bit of an intense thing to do publicly. But anyway, and the other day I came in, I was like, guys, I had a fry off, I had two milkshakes. Do you want to guess how many calories I've had already today? Like, you know, try to like flip it around so I didn't feel like I was less than because on that day I wasn't like being so controlled. But it's weird in work environments, people can kind of put their shit on you. And it depends where you're at, whether you take that on board.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

And is it mostly is it mostly women? Like, because I do think I think we have a different we probably have a well, we probably have had different experiences with body image just based on gender alone, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:55

So you work in hospitality though, where I've worked for nearly 20 years, so you basically work with traumatised children, and so no wonder they're running and telling you how many calories they had, begging you for some sort of acceptance and maybe a hug as if it were you were their mother.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Um I mean, yeah, I I just I do love how we can get obsessed with things in hospitality, and there'll be a theme, you know, of the week of what we're talking about. But yeah, I think um I'm very confident on stage. I wore a little sequin boob tube for my Glasgow Comedy Festival show, a little dog collar, and like I just was that was there a costume change?

SPEAKER_05 29:38

There was a costume change, there was a latex.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

That was at the fringe there was a costume change. Yeah, quickly costume change into latex. She's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

I went into a so this was a bad, there was bad preparation, but basically I was wearing the fringe a pinstripe suit, and I had a latex bodysuit hidden in the trousers. Wow. And I halfway through I went into the fire escape, took the trousers off, got the latex, and put it on, but for the first half of the show, I'm sweating contrine, and it like doesn't help with temperature regulation. So they must have been like, why is she sweating? It's only five minutes into the hour. But yeah, I went off stage. Can I just say a fashion tip? I buy all my like fun stage wear from Ann Summers. Like, I love it. Like they have really good like stuff you just don't see anywhere else on the high street or whatever. Um, so yeah, Sequin Boob Tube, I wear that all the time. Red PVC one piece. I'm gonna I've got a gig with my band on Saturday. Um, and yeah, I'm gonna wear that again. It's so I would not have worn that five years ago, but I'm just like boom, yeah, like I've got it's got a little I've got a tiny little belly, I've got my big hips, my big boobs, my big bum. And I ate a full burger for the last time I wore the the um PVC suit, and that was on Tuesday. I was doing a gig with my band like last Tuesday, and I ate a full burger and chips, and I got off on the stage in a bodysuit, and I just thought, fuck yes, I'm a hot bitch.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Absolutely, that's the energy you want, though. Like, we didn't get sober to then sit and hate ourselves for the next thing, and I'm not as sober yet as you guys, so I'm only um four and a half years, so I'm hoping that there'll be this body love epiphany in the next 18 months because otherwise I'm gonna have to ask for my money back. Um but like you like we've said so many times in this podcast, it is a journey, another fucking journey, a long ass journey where there's no Amex air miles. Um, but but it is, it's all about that self-love, acceptance, growth, all that crap.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

Do you know what it is though? I think it's like I don't know, in AA they say attraction rather than promotion. But I think it's good to do that in families. See if I'm like really confident in my body, then hopefully, like other people in my family, like older generations who they've been told you have to think this way about your body. Hopefully they'll see that I'm confident, you know, and then they'll stop criticizing me, like not that they even did it consciously, but you know, it's like that thing of oh, I actually stopped doing X, Y, and Z and I feel fucking great.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

You know, like Oh yeah, this is actually like yeah, this is great.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

So my stepsister has an underwear brand called The Cheek, and I've posted so much content in this underwear brand, and it that has made me feel amazing. Although Instagram's been a bit shit recently, with it doesn't really allow you to just post pictures in your naked anymore, which I've noticed like they just I know listen look God let me post half naked on Instagram was gonna get sober for this shit. I know this is supposed to be my empowered and empowered enlightening moment. Don't try and shadow ban me, motherfucker. But yeah, that's been really good. And also this underwear, it's for the like curvy gals, it sits really high up on your hips, so it's so fucking sexy and flattering. That little line, the thigh line, you know, between the thigh and your like torso. I mean that's a sexy line. But yeah, don't know what Ian's thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Ian, you spoke about like how we put down the drink, and then it is those other issues do crop up, but you know, suddenly it's the eating, and then it's like, oh hello, you've been here the whole fucking time. In fact, for a lot of us, it was our primary addiction or or our primary um disordered relationship, you know, using food to cope when we're feeling down, feeling happy, feeling sad. You know, it's exactly the same mirroring. Um, it's almost like we just get old enough to drink, and then it's like, oh hang on, this does it quicker. So we'll do that. And, you know, then cocaine comes along and it's like, oh, you make me stop eating. I love you. You might give me the body I've always wanted. And you know, it's funny. I just gave a friend of mine um a couple of outfits uh a couple of weeks ago that I've had and I've carried around with me. These are outfits I I had when I was like 25 years old, you know, that I've still carried around with me nearly like 18 years later, as if one day I'll still get into them. And it's like you will never have the metabolism of a 25-year-old cocaine head child, like naturally at the age of 42. It's just not happening. Maybe let them go. But I tell you what, it fucking breaks my heart because I gave it to her and she put them on, and she's this tiny, just my friend Sia, she does a lot of the modelling for my brand, so you'll see she's a tiny thing, and she puts it on, and I look at her and she looks incredible. And I thought, I wore those clothes and fucking hated myself, hated how I looked, and I can't believe it. Sometimes you like then see yourself in another, and I just it blows my mind that that was how I looked, and yet I thought I was a beast, and I just yeah, it is, it's it's really frustrating, isn't it, that we can't see ourselves through our real eyes. And I think sobriety's getting me there, but I think yeah, still got a bit of work.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

But I think like I was thinking about that, I was talking to Leo about this the other day because I'm putting my new show together, and one of the things I was saying to him is women always had women's magazines in Glasgow. When I used to go out partying when I was 16, 17, we didn't go to the gym, like we didn't, we didn't even think about it. Like that was a London thing. Like it was like we didn't really like you, only ever saw big muscly m guys with amazing bodies on TV, but you we didn't, we all went out dancing, we were all thin because we went out dancing, took Eggstein, we'd go to the gay chippy and we'd buy chips, cheese, coleslaw. But I never remember looking at myself in the mirror and going, Oh my god, I hate my body. That came once I had access to compare myself to people, which is like boys were not flicking through magazines, we gay people were not flicking through whatever our version of a woman's magazine would be. So I was listening to this other podcast where she was saying, 'Yeah, the reason why her grandparents used to have so much sex is because they didn't even know their boobs were saggy or their bum was too big or whatever. They had no, they just they didn't know. The problem is we don't look like something on porn or on TV or whatever,' and it's actually holding us back. We look exactly the way we're meant to fucking look. Like, I'm the same as Amelia, whereas I really love my body now, but it took me some work, and it took me some work of like being so grateful after all the shit that it put me through that I get two legs, two arms, and can take the stairs. Like, I'm just I see people like physically struggle who are younger than me. I went to a Kylo Minogue concert last year in Glasgow, and some people in that concert very drunk and not in control of their bodies. I mean, just like just to what a like this is the best thing I'll ever own, and sometimes I don't always take great care of it, right? So I don't work out because I want to be gorgeous. Like I go to the gym because I want to be strong, I want to lift my own suitcase and I want to have a good life.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

I don't And eat a Dubai ice cream sandwich before midday.

SPEAKER_05 37:13

Ah, look, this is why Amelia's on the podcast. She's Amelia and the snacks, alright?

SPEAKER_02 37:19

So that's my bad name, yeah. Hey, I'm just being a bitch because I am fucking jealous. I don't have any of those things. I have got some unicorn cones though that I bought a couple of weeks ago, just for the time being nothing better. I just had one a couple of weeks ago wrapped in a heated blanket, a unicorn-themed black ice cream cone with like sprinkles, and I was just like, I feel I've just peaked in my sobriety. Amazing. That sounds so good.

SPEAKER_05 37:47

You're having your best life.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Literally, I mean, one of the things as well that we talked a little bit about, um, and I'd love to get your input, Anelia, is AI and creativity. I mean, AI, in fact, and body image while you were talking, I was thinking again, you know, the peach pictures of the people that we see that we go, oh, you know, what about XY? You know, even they don't aren't real. But you know, AI has taken over a lot of the creative worlds. You are a creative, you know, what's your relationship like with AI? Do you use it? Is it a tool for you? Are you scared of it?

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Do you say please and thank you? I don't have like chat GBT on my phone. Although when my mum and me were in Berlin, I just kept asking her to put stuff into it. I was like, can you find a route for us to get like a kebab or whatever? Sorry, where were you looking for a kebab? In Berlin. In Berlin. I was like, can we get a kebab? We were actually there, don't worry. It wasn't that I was in Glasgow, like, can you find a kebab? So that was fun. And then I think generally I do find it quite like when you see the stuff that people make, like AI artworks that people post on social media, it just looks a bit shit.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Like it does just look a bit shit.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

Do you know what I mean? No, it does. I mean, it does, but it also doesn't, and I think it does, and it doesn't, because I think that's the trouble, that it can, it is actually sometimes scarily good. Like I shared how I got a picture of my dad and my sausage dog together, and it was this beautiful image. And um, before I realised how terrible evil it was to ask the chat GBT, so don't come at me. Um, I asked it to turn it into a watercolour, and it did it in about three seconds, and it's the most beautiful picture you've ever seen. I want to get it blown up, I want to get it framed, it cost me no money, and and it's and that's the problem, I think, that it is really fucking good, um, too good, you know. And then I was like, actually, fuck it, I'll have it as an oil. And I didn't get any sass, it just went, yeah, here it is as an oil painting, no charge. Have it as an Andy Warhol, it is a Jackson Pollock, Tracy Emin. Oh, I'd have loved to have seen it as a Tracy Emin, just like my dog on a dirty bed next to a kebab and my dad with a f in his underwear with a fag out of his hand. That sounds great. I would buy her umbrella literally. Now that's the only thing I'm gonna do after this recording.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

Recreate that I hate AI comedy posters. Like one of my friends is on tour at the moment, no shade. Um, but every time she goes somewhere else, it's hard in that country in the background, and it just looks like what in the Mary Poppins, it looks mental, right? Rather than just having like a good show poster, like so. Amelia has like really iconic photographs. I know you really believe in artistry as well, so like you do like proper photo shoots, she doesn't take a selfie with her phone and then ask AI to turn it into a thing for her. Like, there's so much effort and thought, so that's why I get very annoyed. I'm doing a show, I won't mention where it is, but the guy wanted to make his own poster for the show, and I was like, my show has a poster, it has a poster, and I hate to be a diva about it, but like it wasn't like one day I was taking a shit and I Googled poster for me. Like, my poster's iconic, I put a lot of thought into it.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

I love your poster for Trauma D where you're trying to get it.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

Yeah, that's the one. It's so good. And like in Edinburgh, we can enter our poster into competitions, like to see what's the best. How are you gonna do that with AI?

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Like, but do you think AI will be in that competition? Do you know? Is there a thing, for example, in that competition that says no AI? And if and should it be no AI, what do you think? Because it Well you haven't done the work, Devil's Advocate, but there is work, it's just a different type of work, you know, the prompting and stuff like that. Do you not think it still takes a creative eye in a way to use AI to create that poster? And therefore it hasn't because I'm sure unless they have a rule, there will be AI posters.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

I'm not sure actually. It'll be interesting to see because it has since last fringe really kind of snowballed. So we'll see what happens with that. But yeah, like I love going and seeing a print in like an art shop. Do you know what I mean? I love seeing that shit. It has a different effect on me to see that versus being on my phone seeing AI. I just feel very apathetic or almost disgusted when it's pure shite, which isn't always, but some when someone's uncle's on there being like, what if I was Buzz Lighty? Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, that's fucking shite, that's not good content, bad use of AI. When you go to a gallery and you say someone's chosen these this colour scheme, like this is someone's heart and soul. So yeah, I just think, yeah, AI exists. It will always exist now, but it's gonna it has a different feeling when I consume it.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

I'll send you the watercolour of my father as a sausage dog, and uh it will move you to it will move you to tears. And see how I feel about that. Maybe uh maybe it will bring a tear to my search in the eye. It is it is beautiful, but I've restrained myself from getting it printed because I do feel uncomfortable about putting it onto the wall as art, no matter even though it is beautiful, because it's it it's not art, you know, and and it's a case of maybe I could ask ChatGBT to turn it into a paint by numbers and then I could paint it myself and it would look awful. But you know what I mean? Like, but again, you know, AI and creativity and writing as well. I mean, have either of you had any experience of seeing people use AI for comedy shows? Because we've got that whole backlash remember with writers and using AI to write TV series, and I must admit, sitting here just trying to start writing this pilot, I've got the whole thing in my head, obviously, because that's where we live as creatives in our head. I could literally, the entire show is written, but it's not out on paper, and it's really difficult to figure out how to start. And there is this little niggle in the back of my head going, just ask Claude, he'll give you a prompt. You know, well, how do you guys feel about people using it as a tool, or is it a slippery slope?

SPEAKER_04 43:56

I just noticed that anything that's written in AI has loads of dashes and just sounds mental. But the biggest thing that I consume, AI, my whole algorithm on Instagram is like celebrity, celebrity shit of the past, VMA's awards, Brittany, Madonna, Christina, and then the video is legit, and then the captions obviously just AI written. But I lap that shit up sometimes because I just love celebrity culture, and now that's the way that it's packaged. Like Britney Spears was a pub star in the 2000s, and here she is kissing Madonna and Christina Aguilera, and what would become a really iconic moment for gay culture, you know, and I'm just like and I'm like, I hate it, but it's written so badly, like it has no soul. But I just try and watch the video. I try I try and just watch the video because I know the cultural significance of this shit.

SPEAKER_05 44:44

Yeah, and I I love when AI gets it wrong, and I know because I was there. There when it was all happening, I was old enough to remember it. The thing I would say as well is like, so we did a couple years ago here, we had like a new year party at the comedy club, and we is one of the things we did was we uh gave Chad GBT a prompt to write a scene, a comedy scene, and then some of the improvers acted it out to show how shit it was, basically, it was so bad. But now obviously AI is gonna improve. You have to ask yourself, I get it, some people, you know, use it for design or blah blah blah. But if you're using AI to actually write something, then you're not a writer. It wouldn't occur to me, like, you know, I've Googled how to write my own press release. I didn't ask it to write me a press release. I need to know what's in there and I can't get behind. I wrote my own press release, I sent it to everyone I knew who was a journalist and asked them to give me feedback on it. Like there's two things happening when you use AI. You're not the talent, you've already lost by not trying to win. And new t-shirt slogan.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

I was gonna say, fucking drop that.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

And yeah, yeah. You've also cutting yourself off from community and collaboration. And I think the AI really allows people to be isolated and and for a lot of us artists, we can't afford to pay for things. I totally understand. But like, if you look at all Amelia's work since she's been doing comedy, like there's always been a photo shoot specifically for what she's producing. She hasn't just AI'd an old picture into a new picture, like there's always and to have a thought photo shoot, you need thought, you need organization, you need collaboration. But you also need to be someone who's willing to pay for someone else's time.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

100%. Oh, my photo shoot, all my photos on my merchandise website are a photo shoot which myself I styled out, and my friend took the photos. Um, both of the photo shoots is the same friend, and I desperately want to do another photo shoot, but I at the minute can't afford it, and I'm but I'm gonna wait and is uncomfortable as fuck because I want to launch three new t-shirts on the weekend, and the only photos I'm gonna be able to take are literally just straight-on photos on my wall, and I'm gonna be and I I've put it off for probably about two or three weeks now, purely based on how uncomfortable I am with how shit the photos are gonna look. Not that the customers are gonna care, they're gonna be like, Oh, it's a t-shirt, I'll buy it. But like you say, I think that's that my decision is that I won't just put it in, take a photo of it straight on, because I could do take a photo of it straight on, put it into one of these AI things, and then say put it on a girl who looks like she's just fallen out of a club but she's drinking water because she's sober as fuck. You know, like I could easily do that. Like the marketing pack I got from a girl that I was working with was full of images like that that she just made up herself using AI. So instead, I have to sit in the discomfort until probably the end of summer when I can afford to pay for another photo shoot. And my friend gives me mates' rates, but she's still we we have a rule, me and my friends is like friends don't work, let other friends work for free. Yeah, we we let them work for discount, but you know, my friends uh of all of the people, my friends are the only people that never ask for discount when they buy stuff from my short shop shop. They always use, I give them discount codes and they never use them. But yeah, no, I think you're right. It is important to make those. And like you said in media, values, it's about values. What are your what are your personal values? And you kind of can't have both. You can't be the girl that pays X for a photo shoot, and then the girl that does an AI watercolour of her father and a dog for his father's day present.

SPEAKER_04 48:25

Yeah, with the collaboration thing, like so. I have a poster for my show It Me Baby One More Time. It's a work of progress at the moment, but I wouldn't have got that photo if I wasn't working with Genevieve Genevieve away on Instagram, and Genevieve said, I want you to be in this chip shop, and I said the chip shop was the location, I chose the outfit, but Genevieve said I want you to look up, I want you to lean back and look up, and that's the picture. Oh yeah. I I've learned over yeah, the past few years that collaboration is where the magic is, and asking for help, and you know, Ian, you reaching out to me being like, What can you tell me where what to do here? Like, I think then that's something that we learn from sober circles. Is it okay to ask for help? Sometimes you're paying a professional too. I have to get professional help therapy. Like, I can't do this by myself, I can't do sobriety by myself, I can't do comedy by myself. Like, and sometimes I do have to sit and do writing, and that has to come from my brain, and the music needs to come from my brain. But as I get older, the more I realize it's great to create um healthy collaborative relationships, equal relationships. So, yeah, it's all about relationships.

SPEAKER_02 49:35

AI steals collaboration, I've written down.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Yeah, another t-shirt ours.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

And that was Ian that came up with that, and then I just jumped on that and I said a big speech to make it seem like it was me, but you know. Collaboration in action.

SPEAKER_05 49:49

Amelia made it bear. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

I made it deep. I think I had this real thing of going a bit deep and emotional. Like my friend came into my work the other day and it was busy, and she I was like, But how are you, babe? And she was like, Oh well, my situation ship and me are on the rocks, and it's like a busy fucking restaurant. I was like, babe, you deserve love. You deserve the best kind of love. My colleagues are like, Can you please stop this? Like, you're at work, like why, yeah, why can you take that burger to table 103? But I'm like, babe, you deserve the best, and only the best. Like, that was just my name. So it's hard because I someone's like, Oh, let's go as comedian on this podcast. I'm like, guys, I think we need to get deep.

SPEAKER_05 50:29

She pulls out and then she pulls out her guitar and sings a punk song.

unknown 50:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

I mean, to be fair, like we haven't got too much time left. But you know, that again is one of the things I think that is like a curse as well as uh a gift of sobriety, is that we don't do small talk anymore. It's like, I don't need to know about how your sandwich is or whether or not you have a degree. I want to know all about your trauma. I want to know where you are with your boundaries, I want to know if you love yourself in a bikini. You know, that's the chat that we're here for. And it's I love it, but it does sometimes. I don't know. Do you find it difficult sometimes then to connect with people who aren't in the room? I mean, I still will ask about the sandwich.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Like I still will ask about that.

SPEAKER_04 51:12

To be fair, I would too, because I fucking love sandwiches. But at various social events I've been at, it's funny the chat has been that like the the green stuff, like even though it was so long ago. But then, like later on, I sat down with a family. I was with my girlfriend, and we met some of their friends, and we got really deep, you know. But like it was very natural. Um, I think when you first come in to recovery, you're just shouting from the rooftop, and then eventually you kind of learn. I don't know what balance is, but you learn slightly more balance around stuff like this. You have you wear light, like I read somewhere it's like we learn to wear life like a loose garment. That was in a book somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Ah, well, they say about yeah, wearing sobriety as well as a loose garment. Like Ian said, you know, like footnote, you know, it doesn't have to define you and be you. And if it is, then that's also okay. But you know, I think again, I love that it's people like you, people like Ian, people like me who are standing up and saying that we are in recovery and that this is also what recovery can look like. I think that that, like we said on a previous show, anyone who tells you that your recovery is wrong or that there's one type of way of doing it is probably not very well themselves, you know. So I think it's a great thing. Last question before the end of the podcast, have to get this in. In a fire, would you save the dog or the human?

SPEAKER_04 52:38

I don't have a dog, so it'd be the human. If there was a dog. Imagine you had a dog or a cat. Do you have a cat? Who's the human though? Is it me or is it someone else? No caveat.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

What's your immediate instinct?

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Can I just say I say why I was bad at school?

SPEAKER_04 53:01

This is why I was bad at school.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

This was definitely not only GCSEs, Amelia.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

When it was like there were six chickens in the boat going across the fucking lake and all that shit. It's such a like neurodivergent response to that question. So I'm just Yeah, it's like sorry, can we unpack this?

SPEAKER_05 53:17

I know a train leaves the station at one o'clock. So when the building's on fire, do you save a chicken?

SPEAKER_02 53:24

Like no, I'd leave the chicken in fairness. If it was a chicken or a human, I'd go for the human.

SPEAKER_05 53:30

I'd save the human.

SPEAKER_04 53:31

If the human's my girlfriend, then I'm I'm saving the human. And I'm sorry about the dog. Yeah. RIP to a real one. RIP to a real one. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

What about if the dog is like an emotional support sausage dog uh who wears a little bandana and loves brunch?

SPEAKER_05 53:50

Yeah, but her girlfriend fingers her. So she's saving our girlfriend. She's saving our girlfriend!

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Why do we always have to end it on such a gay note? This is always you.

SPEAKER_05 54:03

She's obsessed with getting people to save the fucking dog, right? And everyone, as a general rule, Kat Powell even said on Instagram, I'll save the dog, and she's fucking getting married today.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

There was somebody who supported you, but one person supported you, and now Amelia, who you probably prepped. So I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

I didn't because it seems to me like if it was between my dog and Amelia, I would save Amelia. And then Amelia would be like, get the guitars.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

So no, I'd be like, get the fucking dogs. Actually, weirdly, I had an ex who's flat, flooded, and oh no, wait, sorry, I just realized that the hamster died.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

So you definitely wouldn't save the hamster. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

No.

SPEAKER_04 54:51

Oh my god. Well, I it was a traumatic event. I don't know why I talked about that. Um again. The cat survived. I was just holding this cat. I was just holding this cat.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

So you saved the cat, not the hamster.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

Yeah, so if it was between cat and hamster, I also didn't know the hamster was there. I actually didn't know the hamster.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

I thought you were gonna say I didn't know the hamster, he could have been a dick.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

I didn't know him on a personal level. Yeah, he's probably a paedophile. Yeah, maybe the hamster was probably cancelled.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Thanks for having me, I was gonna say, it's been amazing. Thank you so much for coming along and chatting with us. Um, we will put all of the links to absolutely everything you've ever done, including your record of achievement from GCSE years and anything else that you're Duke of Edinburgh, anything else you want to send us links to. I'm too dumb to do Duke of Edinburgh. I don't think any of us, I don't think there's ever been an alcoholic that has completed a Duke of Edinburgh, in fairness. Um I'll put a link to the cheek, the pants that you were chatting about, um, and anything else. Next week, Ian, it will be our 12th recording, and we did say we were going to do a review of the previous 11 as our last ever recording. So that might be what we've got coming up for us in our episode, our our final episode of season one, which is recording. It is cray cray, we've done it. It was less than a year ago we sat in London planning it, so that's quite exciting. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Again, can I shout something out? Yeah, go for it. Um, I'm doing a gig in London in July. So if there's any listeners in LDN, then please come along to that and I'll send a link over for that. Please do. I think it's the 22nd of July.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

And yeah, all of the links to Ian's also gonna be in the show notes. And oh will both of you be at fringe this year then.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

Amelia, you're doing a you're doing a short run, are you not?

SPEAKER_04 56:42

One. One day again. Then next year I'll do more, but I'm just in my one day era.

SPEAKER_05 56:48

What day, what what day what is your what is your one day?

SPEAKER_04 56:51

12th of August, baby. Amazing. What about you?

SPEAKER_05 56:55

I'm doing the full run again.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 56:57

I what I'm every day at 3 pm. I'll come to your show. The 12th of August in Scotland is called the Glorious 12th, because that's when grouse season is open in the Highlands.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

Oh, what a day to have a show.

SPEAKER_05 57:12

I've just given you an opener.

SPEAKER_04 57:14

So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

My crowd are really known for loving grouse hunting.

SPEAKER_04 57:21

Grouse hunting.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

Absolutely. Well, I will hopefully also be in Edinburgh, you know, probably by that point finish my pilot, probably already been commissioned. So chilling, um, planning my BAFTA speech and handing out t-shirts at Ian's shows. So I will meet you then too. Um last thing, dear listeners, we say it every week, but please, if you've liked this podcast, like it, follow it, subscribe to it, send it to your grandma. If we share something on socials, please like it, please save it. All of these things, please, Lord algorithm. And he is the man that we do everything for. Thank you for so much.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

He's definitely a man.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

He's definitely a man because he is relentlessly unsatisfied. Um enjoy the rest of your day, you guys. Thank you so much, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 58:05

Thank you.