Connection, Chronic Pain, and Clarity: Season 2 Bonus Episode

The interview may have ended...but the conversation didn't.

After each HighlightHer interview, my guests and I keep talking. We dive into  specific topics, share personal stories, and unpack ideas we didn't have time to explore during the episode.

Those conversations became After the Highlight, an exclusive collection available on Patreon.

Today, I'm giving you a sneak peek.

You'll hear:

 💜 Alyssa Roy on why genuine connection matters more than social media. 

 💜 Christina Little on navigating life with chronic pain and giving yourself permission to pace instead of compare. 

 💜 Urmi Hossein on building a personal brand that reflects who you are—even if you never considered yourself "a brand." 

If you enjoy these conversations, you'll find many more waiting inside the After the Highlight collection.

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Transcript

Speaker 3 0:00

Hi everyone and welcome to Highlight Her. Today we have a bonus episode to conclude season two. Before we get into the episode, I invite you to take a moment and subscribe to the podcast newsletter. You'll get each inspiring conversation delivered to your inbox on Fridays and stay up to date with the Highlight Her community. Subscribe now. Wow, we're at the end of season two. Thank you for helping the podcast achieve this milestone. Today we have a special treat. After each episode, my guests and I keep chatting. We focus on specific topics and the guests share their insight and tips. I call this special discussion After the Highlight. These gems live over on Patreon in the After the Highlight collection. You can see the show notes for the link. For season two's bonus episode, you get a sneak peek from three After the Highlight chats. We'll hear from Alyssa about good old-fashioned connection, Christina about living with chronic pain, and Urmi about building your personal brand whether you think you need one or not. Grab your favorite kappa and let's get listening. If something jumps out at you, leave a comment. I'd love to hear. Welcome to After the Highlight. This is where we get to go on tangents with our podcast guests. You never know what we'll discover. Today we have Alyssa Roy of Downriver Homestead with us. Welcome, Alyssa. Hey, thank you. Alyssa, in your bio, you mentioned good old-fashioned connection. Can you elaborate a little bit on what that means?

Speaker 2 1:31

I'm a millennial, right? So like I vaguely remember not having some form of social media and what that looked like with connections with people around me. Um, but I obviously participate in social media now and what that connection looks like. That being said, I think that there is a really good thing about social media, but there's also an even better thing about personal connection with the people around you because social media is all about the highlight, right? So you're seeing what people are posting like nine times out of ten, they're only posting what's going right in their life. They're not gonna like blast out all the things and what life actually looks like. And it can create this unnatural perspective of what you think your life should be like because you're comparing it to everybody else's highlights, right? But you, you know your whole life. And so there is just a connection about being able to do life with people around you where you're not only seeing the highlights, right? You're seeing what all of life looks like. You're celebrating the highs, but you're also witnessing the lows and you're able to help them in that moment and help yourself. And there's just this beautiful thing that's built around genuine connection between the people around you. And I think that that just boils down to really good community.

Speaker 3 2:43

Do you find that you're learning about your customers' lives when they come to pick up their orders and that kind of thing?

Speaker 2 2:51

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Generally, you know, I love it. Like one time somebody was picking up three dozen cookies and I was like, Oh, that's a lot of cookies, you know, for one person, like just making conversation. And they were like, oh no, like I'm splitting them up and I'm taking them over. They were a nurse and they're like, I'm taking them over to our new patients who just had babies and I'm doing this and I'm doing that. And I was like, Oh, I love all of that. Like, send them my way so I can ask them how it went, you know. So it's just it it does. People love whenever they have an opportunity. Most of the time people love to have an additional interaction with you.

Speaker 3 3:21

But they're not something that you're looking to expand with with your business, uh, a way, other ways for people to have in-person connection.

Speaker 2 3:30

Yeah, for sure. You know, um, that was one of the motivations behind doing the common, um, the common table and doing that swap with the community because the different places that are hosting it, right? They're there people are coming, but then there's also people from the community too. And it creates a space to be intentional about those things and it helps to break the ice a little bit, you know, because finding like new friends can sometimes be a little awkward, a little difficult. And so when you're all in the same place and especially at the common table, the way that the swap starts is we talk about what item we brought. And there's not that many of us there. It's an intimate, fun thing. So it's not like stage fright, right? But you just talk about it a little bit that helps to break the ice. Because now, if somebody's interested in what you made, they're probably gonna talk to you about it to some extent. And so now you found something in common that you can talk about and it leads into other things down the road.

Speaker 3 4:20

Your common table was actually one of my questions for this section with at the after the highlight. So I was thinking of it as a local swap. And where did you come up with this idea?

Speaker 2 4:31

So it actually originated from a gal in Chicago, and I was scrolling through TikTok and I seen that she hosted it. She calls hers the Sunday spread. Every Sunday, her community gets together and they swap items at the Sunday spread. And I was like, oh, that's so fun. And I didn't see it being done around. And I thought, well, why not just do it then? Because you know, making 10 items, it's not really a burden. I can make 10 random things, right? Who knows what somebody might bring? We've seen all kinds of things. One lady brought homemade washcloths, which I loved because it was the very first one. And I told my mom on the way there, I said, I got these homemade washcloths for our wedding, and I've used them so much that they're dumb. I had to throw them away. And I was like, I just really want like new ones, but I want homemade ones because they were so good. And then a lady brought them and I was like, oh my gosh, I threw those right in my bag. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah. It was like a little wink. Like I was like, yes, thank you. So yeah, I think it's it's just super fun. And it, like I said, it came out of that girl from in Chicago and social media, and I was like, let's go.

Speaker 3 5:30

So if someone listening to this isn't in the downriver Michigan area, south southwest of Metro Detroit, right? And they can't come to yours and they wanted to start one. What would you recommend? Maybe like three to five steps to help them get started.

Speaker 2 5:45

Yeah. So um, the first step is I would go to social media to see videos of how other people are doing it. Because you'll get so many little tips and tricks of it, so many ideas around it. So I would definitely say that. Second thing would be to partner with somewhere to host it. You can host it in your home, but if finding an audience is kind of what you're looking for, I would try to find someone to partner with. So, my first ones, I've partnered with Down River for Veterans. They're a really, really great organization, Downriver. I love what they're doing in the community. I've partnered with them for other things in the past, and they're just really good people. So they hosted our first ones, and that was great. And then a couple of other churches are hosting them as well. So you can even just put out on social media and see, right? Coffee houses or anywhere. So I think, and then they can also advertise it for you and help you get the word out. So I would say research it to on social media and then find somewhere to partner with it. And then the day of, just roll with it. You can get a certain thought in your head of the way that it should be. And if it doesn't execute quite that way, like it's okay. Everybody's there to just have fun and enjoy that swap. So just have fun with it and embrace what it's gonna be, you know? And I just I encourage putting everything out on a table at once as people are coming in so that way everybody can take a good look at what's on there, and then each person just tells what they brought, what it is, and then that's it. And then we just the way that I've done it is we've gone in rounds. So, like round one, everybody picks one item because we've usually had more people than items brought, meaning each person brings 10 items. But if we have 15 people, then not everybody is gonna get one of everything. So that was just a way to help keep it more fair. So for the first four rounds, we just did one item and then after that we did two to just speed it up because it could take too long. But definitely foster the communic, the community aspect of it and encourage everybody to mingle and talk a little bit that way they can get to know each other because that's super important.

Speaker 3 7:38

Welcome to After the Highlight, where I get to chat with my guests. This is Christina Little of Little Bakery. She was my very first guest. We had so much fun on our time together in our interview, and she brought up some things that I wanted to kind of unpack and expand more. Otherwise, we'd have like a two-hour show, and that doesn't really get people excited. So we're gonna break it up and bring some of these things back later. And Christina, you mentioned your journey with pain. And I wonder if you have a few minutes to kind of talk about chronic pain. And you mentioned you were trying to, I thought it was beautiful when you said you wanted to find something with purpose that your body could do. And I have a feeling I have some chronic pain experience myself, not as extreme as yours. And I know that um we probably have listeners that have chronic pain, and chronic pain I know is a spectrum, so we really shouldn't compare ourselves. So let's just throw it out there. How how do you deal with the chronic pain? Is making therapeutic for your chronic pain? Are there tips that you can give people that are just feeling like they can't do anything because the pain is so bad? How can they handle it and be able to be creative, even if it's not a business, have a chance to be creative, get out of their head?

Speaker 9:04

I think um I, you know, I'm always grateful for when anyone allows me to talk about chronic pain because it really is Jenny such a blessing. I am I will never stop being thankful for it in my life because I didn't know I needed to care for myself until my body is shut me down. Now, this is my personal experience. Please, if anyone's listening, understand this is my personal experience. Um, so uh now I am in management managing chronic pain, and it it does still come up. Um tips to deal with it. Well, most important, um, I think the mindset that you have been through pain, you can tolerate pain, it isn't going to kill you. It really, you're going to get through it. Like you have to remember how strong you are, because in the moment you think it is going to take you down, but you have been through it before. So to remember that, my osteopath, by the way, I also have an osteopath, and we are constantly talking about okay, this new is up. I just had to overcome wearing my glasses. Like I used to just have to wear them for reading, and now I need to wear them all the time. Oh my gosh, the pain to overcome to be able to wear my glasses mostly full-time, 90%, 80% of the day. I had to reconvene with her again and talk about it. And every time I talk to her, I'm reminded things are possible. And I think we think with chronic pain, it's chronic pain all the time or no pain. And we're always going for the absolute no pain. And I don't know that that's realistic because I don't know that anyone exists without any pain. Like, so I think there's there's an acceptance that depending on what your pain is coming from, if you can accept, look, there is going to be pain, it will not take you down. You've been through hard things before you can do it again. You're like, okay, I just know this is time, this is okay. And my osteo reminds me of that consistently, which comes to the whole thing of there is a way through it. And I, for me, and when I was in the middle of it and doing all the research, it's all about pacing. For most chronic pain, it is pacing. Whatever your timing is, I now do well, let's start with my glasses. So when I started with my glasses, I did five minutes on and then 25 minutes off. And then it moved to all the way up to 25 minutes on, five minutes off. And now I wear it till I start to notice something, and then I take them off for a bit and then I put them back on. So now it's more, I just kind of wear them and I'm aware of when the signs are that I might need to take them off, give my face a break so it doesn't overflow. Now, there doesn't mean that there's not days that there's nothing I can do, it's gonna be painful, and I deal with it, and then I have tools to deal with it at night. But finding that it can never be all or nothing, it needs to be how are you gonna bring it in? Because if we remember what all or nothing gives us when we're in our pain, it's we're feeling good and we're like, oh my gosh, we can do everything, and you just overextend yourself to now you're out for three days to recover, right? So whereas pacing allows you, you may not do as much as someone else, but let's not compare ourselves anyway. Um, because even if you don't have chronic pain, there's always gonna be people who can do more than you in a day.

Speaker 3 12:44

No way, right? I think you need to say that again.

Speaker 12:47

Regardless if you have chronic pain or not, there is always going to be someone who can do more than you in a day.

Speaker 3 12:53

It it the chronic pain that is such a good thing for us to remember, right?

Speaker 12:58

Like, why are we comparing anyway?

Speaker 3 13:00

And it's kind of a well, duh, of course, but we don't think of that.

Speaker 13:06

You just think, oh, I'm already behind, and and everyone's doing so much more. Well, I mean, honestly, anyone can say that at any time, but that keeps us in that trap of all or nothing rather than you know what, I'm gonna do what I can today, and that is more than I would have done. Or it is enough, not even more than I would have done. It is enough.

Speaker 3 13:27

I like that.

Speaker 13:28

And so recently I did the same thing with um oh, the market. So I bake everything, and for the markets, I plan out two weeks that I'm before the market that I'm gonna get everything ready. And that means admin and baking. And so the first two markets, I really learned the hard way of how to schedule myself. This time I'm pretty much scheduled uh admin day baking day, admin day baking day, admin baking day. Now I was at the end of it, I'm just exhausted. A lot goes on with my body. There's a lot of reasons that caused my pain to flare up. But by that second week, the week right before the market, my body completely was like, we are done. And I had a very high pain level. So I had to accept that admin days were my rest day, and then I baked. And then it hit me again, and I had to accept admin day was my rest day, and then I baked. So it was it was a constant thing of I need to know that that variable is possible. And so I schedule my time in that I'm gonna rest. I don't think, oh, well, it should be fun. I'm just not gonna schedule that variable in. That is a variable that I have to accept and and love and be a part of that I take care of my body.

Speaker 3 14:44

Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 14:46

Yeah.

Speaker 3 14:47

I hope it encourages some of our listeners.

Speaker 14:49

I hope that answered the question. Sorry, I have so much to say on chronic pain. It makes me so excited to talk about.

Speaker 3 14:55

Uh well, I can understand because when you're going through chronic pain, it's pretty discouraging and sometimes you feel really desperate. So if you get a chance to share things that have helped you with other people, that's exciting and empowering because there was something that came from it.

Speaker 15:14

In that time where it has taken over your life, you do think there is no option. You do think you're at the end. And my kind of pain, there was no like painkillers they could give me or anything like that. So it was a learning of how am I gonna manage this and be friends with it instead of fighting it and being angry.

Speaker 3 15:35

I'm glad you mentioned that there's no painkillers that they can give you so that people understand it isn't just I have a bad headache and I'm feeling bad. It's so that people listening can understand it really is true chronic pain. I know there's gonna be people that want to throw their shoe at the podcast because we're you're we're encouraging them to find a way to do something in the pain. And when you're desperate, you don't feel like you can. And I totally understand that. So I'm glad that you mentioned the the kind of pain that you have so they can understand that it's genuine. For example, yeah, you know, I'm an autism parent. There's a spectrum of autism and my experience is different than others, but there's still very valid times when I was in the thick of things and people would say, Oh, just you know, whatever. And I just, I just I didn't have words because I was like, okay, sure, sure, I'll do that. You try that with what I'm going through. So it's okay for them to yell at us through their headphones, but maybe when the pain subsides a little bit, they'll be able to think of what you said and find a way to adapt it to their situation.

Speaker 16:52

I will say, I'm so glad you brought that up because I I I will say this too. Um, I will say there are days I cannot do anything. That is the exception now, but you have to accept that there are days that there is absolutely you're just that is your tool that your tool that day is you're gonna rest and try to recover. That is absolutely an option. It it for me, every day being that is not going to help my pain. It's gonna pull me back, and I have to pace to do something. The other thing I wanted to say is that when I first started this journey with my osteopath who got me on to managing my pain, her first things were to me, your only goal today, she said, Christina, is to walk to the mailbox and come back to bed. Like, so you know what I'm saying? Right. It it it's not it's not the oh, it has to be this big thing. It's not I have to complete something, it's something, whatever that something is. And again, there are going to be days where that isn't even possible. So maybe it's that you walk to the end of the bed, maybe it's you get a shower, or maybe it's you wash your face or you brush your teeth that day. I mean, it it honestly doesn't matter. So I I do I'm so glad you said that. There are a range of days in pain management, and some days are absolutely nothing, and that's your tool that day. And some days are I'm managing it really great, but I am doing rests in between.

Speaker 3 18:25

Welcome to After the Highlight. This is the space where we get to chat with the ladies I've interviewed earlier. Today we have Urmi Hossein, and she is a branding expert. Urmi, thank you so much for joining us today.

Speaker 1 18:37

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 18:38

At the end of your interview, Urmi, you mentioned that if people want to have their own brand, they really need to focus on clarity. Can you expand on that just a little bit? How they could decide what their message is, and then I'm going to give you the floor because I know you're a branding expert and you can just take it away with whatever tips you think our listeners need to hear.

Speaker 1 18:59

So when you when we think of a personal branding, it's basically about the perception that people have about you. That's how simple it is. And it's it's about what people will say or will say about you when you're not with them. It could be bad, it could be good. And usually you want, you know, if you want to make a good impression, you want to make sure that people are saying good things about it. And when it comes to building a brand, you really have to be intentional about your brand. I think that every single person has something to offer, and it's really up to us to cultivate it and to figure it out. And it really starts with with us, we and it's within us. It really has to be about identifying your strengths, it's about identifying your values, it's about identifying your core values and the messages you want to deliver. And for me, when I think about my own personal branding, I do think that it just happened by accident. I went on a train and I wasn't sure where I was going. That's how I like to describe it. And before I realized it, I think I did build a brand and someone pointed it out to me. They were like, There is so much about you online. Did you like realize it? And I was like, really? And I was so not aware of any of this. And the moment I someone made uh make made the point about it, I was like, oh, that is quite true. But I think I was able to redefine that brand going forward, and I don't think I ever realized it, but no matter where I was showing up, whether it was at podcast appearances, whether it was when I was writing an article, it all fall fell under the same umbrella. It was always under the same uh message that I was delivering. And for someone like me who is into female mentorship, it's into uh being a lifelong learner, it's into finance, it's into women in leadership. No matter where I go, I always talk about those things and I make sure that people remember me for those things. This is the image that I have built. And so you really have to be intentional when it comes to building your brand by having that understanding of your core values, and it starts from that. So I would say that's the starting point.

Speaker 3 21:10

That would help a lot of people, I think. Sometimes I know for myself, I think about what I want to do, but I don't get down to the nitty-gritty and and focus into a clear message or a clear, a clear point. And I tend to be all over the place sometimes in my excitement to get something done.

Speaker 1 21:27

And you know what? I think there is nothing wrong with that. I think it's really about testing the waters, doing different things until you can narrow it down to your niche. Because that's how it started with with me. I know that it was initially by having um by having my blog, and I remember being very uncomfortable about it because I I remember I had all these things that I wanted to talk about, articles that I wanted to write, but I was so shy to show my picture or to put a picture of me. But a friend of mine told me that if you want to build a Brand, and if you want if you want to get clients eventually, you want to tell a story, you want to put a picture of you so people know who's behind this person, and you want to make sure that people can relate to you. So initially, I didn't want to put my picture, I didn't want to share my story. I was way too shy about it. I was so not comfortable, but it is so right about what she said because I started to think about big brands out there. Uh, when I think about Apple, the person who founded Apple, there is a whole story behind it. Uh, when I think about all these other big companies, like each of these companies, they have founders who had a story, and that's what makes us relatable. So I feel like even when it comes to branding, you always want to make sure that you are authentic, you are consistent, and that you have a story to share. And usually these stories they don't have to be your successful stories, is we look for the imperfections in this story. There are lessons learned, and that's what makes makes the audience relatable to you. That's why they come to you because they see you authentic, they see you honest. And vulnerability is I always like to say it's your strength, it's not something that you feel ashamed of, it's your power, and then that's how you should use it. So I feel like the moment that I started to become more vulnerable about it and talk about all these like rejections that came along the way and learned lessons and moments where I failed, that's where people like relate to you and people come to you for questions, for information. And it's not that I'm having a product to sell, people come to me for knowledge and for guidance. That's the brand I've built.

Speaker 3 23:35

It makes them realize that you're not perfect and it's okay to ask you questions.

Speaker 1 23:39

Yeah, that's it. Exactly.

Speaker 3 23:41

Is there a certain space these days where you think people need to be in order to build their brand?

Speaker 1 23:48

No, I don't think so. I think it's about finding what's right for you because I think some people, for instance, some people are comfortable being on a camera, some people are comfortable just talking, and that could be through a podcast. Some people are good behind a camera, that could be through writing, but you don't need to be in any of these places. You know, you can just start something off your own, and that could be, for instance, you love cooking, you can, you know, create videos, you can just post them. You don't need to show your your picture, your face. You can also write a book and create a cooking book. You can sell it on Amazon, you can sell it in your local bookstore. You know, it's something that I feel like it gives you a reason for being, or it gives you a lot of fulfillment. You know, you are creating something of your own and you realize that you're capable of doing that. So I always say it's about finding what's right for you. And I'm all about trial and error. Like I always say you have to try different things into you get a clear idea of what you're good at. And I feel like it's not a bad thing trying different things because you you realize that you know, some of this is a learning opportunity. Like I remember for me when I had my podcast, I was so against having a podcast for such a long time. I was so against it because I was like, who is gonna edit my stuff? And I have no means to hire someone to do this, but then I was like, I still want to have a podcast after I think many years that I've been on the other side as a as a guest, and I was like, you know what, let's see, let's see how I can do this. So now I produce my own shows, I edit my own shows, and it took a while to understand how to do the editing, but I can say that I'm I can do that, I can do some editing, and I saw that as a learning opportunity, so also to have that, I would say that open-mindedness and see this as a as an opportunity to learn and say that you're finally capable of that. Like the same thing when it came to having my blog, I had to build that website, and I remember spending nights figuring out how to do it, but at least I can go around and say I can build a website. I feel like you have to see this as an opportunity to to learn different things. You don't need to be perfect in anything, you don't need to have answers about anything. It's all about like jumping on the opportunity and trying things.

Speaker 3 26:08

So after people have their clear identity for their brand, what would you say is the next step for them as far as like do they need to pick out colors? Do they need to decide where they want to be in the internet space? What would you say would be a good next step?

Speaker 1 26:26

Yeah, I would say it's really about uh figuring out where they want to be in the internet space and not everything is fit for everyone, but no, like no matter what you choose, I think it's the most important thing is that you're being consistent with it. Because I tend to see people looking for overnight success when they start with something. That's not how it works, that's not what we want to see. I think people want to see more organic growth and you do posting on a regular basis. Sometimes people are posting, I don't know, like three times per week, and then they just go M M A M I A for like three months, and people are wondering what's going on. I think it's more important to do a little bit less, but every every week, or maybe you know, whatever frequency you choose, but be consistent with it and be consistent with the message. And I think the consistency part is so important because if you are on two different platforms and you talk about two contradicting things, your message is off, your brand is off, no one is gonna come to you, like you don't have a solid base. So it's important to have that consistent message and to do like and to start small, but to be to be regular on on uh on posting things because I know that sometimes we're looking for that overnight success, but you also don't want to feel burnt, you don't wanna feel overwhelmed about it. So it's it's really important on on building that momentum and keep going with that. And you know, you don't have to stick to that forever. Like if if if after I don't know, three, four years that you have been doing this, you feel like okay, that that's it, that's more than enough. That's more than enough. And I think I and and and I always like to say for people who have a day-to-day job, personal branding is so important, super important because you cannot rely forever on your company or on your job title. Your job title will change, your company might change, either you quit or they fire you, or they have to let go of you. And sometimes we're so consumed with that with our job title that we forget who we are when we are no longer comp working for a certain company. And I always say you this is where you have to build your personal brand because one potential employers are always googling you and they want to see what your interests are besides your work. And I think that shows also a little bit of your personality. Two, personal branding is portable. So whether you go and work for X, Y, and Z or ABC, your brand, which belongs to you, your to your own personality, will always be there for you. You will carry it no matter where you come. And I always make this um this example of this uh article that I have read uh many, many years ago, many months ago about this teacher who was um a teacher for all his life, and then he retired and suddenly he was like, I don't know what to do with my life. I don't like I have a sense of void. And this is why I feel like personal branding is important. It's important to find your hobbies, it's important to cultivate your hobbies. You can monetize them, you can, you know, you can do whatever you want, but it's it allows you to also find a purpose in life and find a meaningful purpose. So yeah, it's it's very important to build a personal brand because it also opens up doors for opportunities. Like I know that for me, it opened up opportunities when I had my YouTube channel and when I when I've been to different podcasts, like it opened up opportunities for people to invite, invite me to be on their panels to also host events. I also flew to Chicago for an event, and that's because of my brand. People saw my stuff and they were like, I think she's a she's a good fit. So let's just do a collaboration. So it opens up so many opportunities.

Speaker 3 30:01

That's really good about your personal brand being portable. That's a fantastic, like you could build a whole class around that. You you personally could build a class and teach that, you know, teach people the importance of, like you said, your job is not forever. And we we truly never know when we're, you know, maybe the company closes and e you're not even fired, the the company is just gone. So I really love, I really love that advice.

Speaker 1 30:29

I was I was going to add something as well about that because you know, you the company uh may close or you might be replaced by machines. But I think the beauty of a person of having a good personal brand is that if eventually you are quitting or you're being let go and you want to start something of your own, you can do it. And it would be probably much easier for you to promote yourself because you already have a brand established. People already know who you are from before, but now you will have all these other things to sell, like maybe services or products, but you already have that story that has been established for a while and people got to know you. And that's how usually it starts. If I have to be honest, that's how it usually starts based on what I have observed. Every single entrepreneur starts by having say YouTube channel or do we reels, and then they start having products, and because that they have built that foundation, they're able to sell all the products.

Speaker 3 31:23

Super smart. Have you come across a book or online presence that is good to learn from about personal branding?

Speaker 1 31:31

Yes, actually, it's more related to entrepreneurship, but she also talks about personal branding. Actually, I have two resources. So the first one is called The Boss Babe, and they have a website, they also have a podcast, and they talk about female entrepreneurship and how to start a business, running, running business, the importance of personal branding. And the second resource is also a podcast, and she also has a book. It's called Leave Your Mark. And I listen to her podcast, she is amazing, she gives all these career tips and also personal branding tips, and that's why it's called Leave Your Mark. Like, no matter where you go, you just leave your mark. And I very much enjoy her podcast because all her episodes are quite short, 20 minutes, but they're like on point with the things that she always talks about.

Speaker 3 32:19

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