What It Takes to Be a Champion with Morgan & Emma Webb

In this episode of Beyond the Buckle, presented by M5 Rodeo Promotions, we proudly partnered with The Man From Snowy River Bush Festival to bring you a very special conversation recorded on location at one of Australia’s most iconic bush events.

Prue sits down with Morgan and Emma Webb to talk all things competition, preparation, mindset and what it really takes to rise to the top at the Man From Snowy River Bush Festival.

From the pressure of competing on such a legendary stage to the work that happens long before event day, this episode dives into the grit, heart and horsemanship behind becoming a champion competitor.

Because at Man From Snowy River, it is never just about showing up. It is about backing yourself, your horse, your preparation and your love for the country lifestyle.

Listen now to hear Morgan and Emma Webb’s story, and get a behind-the-scenes look at what it takes to compete with the best.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

You're about to listen to an episode we recorded live at Man from Snowy River, but I wanted to actually add something before we started, which is from an email I got from Jasmine Pierce, who's the challenge coordinator. She doesn't actually know I'm recording this. It's beautiful words, though, about her take on what it really feels to be here at the Man from Snowy River. The greatest reflection of tradition and legacy lies within the community of Corion. For over 30 years, this small but remarkable town has brought to life the spirit of the mountains, the bush, and the true mateship standing side by side to deliver an event that captures the very essence of Australia. In the week leading up to the festival, the transformation begins. Local community groups step in, setting the scene as the township comes alive. There's a sense of anticipation in the air watching the saplings rise along the main street. The festival grounds taking shape and each element falling into place. The people of Korion know the rhythm. It's a tradition they proudly carry forward. To truly experience the Man from Snowy River Bush Festival, you have to be here. You have to feel it. The cool foggy mornings drifting across the mountains, the scent of eucalyptus mingling with campfire smoke, and the sharp crack of the stock whip echoing through the valley at dawn. This is when Corion comes to life. We hope you enjoy this episode. It was an absolute pleasure to be talking to Morgan and Emma Webb, and even more so to be at the Man from Snowy River Festival. Recorded on location at some of Australia's biggest Western events, we're bringing you the stories you don't hear from the stands. I'm Prue Houston, a rodeo reporter with M5 Rodeo Promotions, and this is Beyond the Buckle, the podcast where we go past the arena and into the stories, the people and the partnership behind it all. And in this episode, you're getting a real look behind the scenes. So let's get into it. Every year this town fills with people chasing something, a run, a result, a moment that might just become part of the event's history. But for some, this isn't just a weekend. It's years of showing up, learning the country and earning their place. Sitting with me today are two people who haven't just competed here, they've become part of the story. Morgan and Emma Webb. Welcome to Beyond the Buckle. Thank you very much, Greg. So tell me a little bit. Obviously, we're going to have a lot of new listeners here that may not be as familiar with Man from Snow River Festival, you guys. So why don't you just take a second to tell us a little bit about who you are and what brings you here? Emma?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yeah, so we're here for the Stockman's Challenge side of it, and I guess a lot of the stuff in within the challenge is stuff that we probably do a lot every day anyway. Yeah, been coming for 10 years and it's a great, great family event. Amazing. Yeah, Morgan.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

It's a little different for me. I grew up in Sherman just down the road here, and in this area, this is a huge event. It's when I was a kid, it was the thing. If you won the Mamma Snow River, you're the man.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Yeah, we just saw you guys walk the course. So that's one of the components of what you're expected to do in the challenge. Can you tell me a little bit about the other events that you're gonna have to compete with as part of it?

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Yeah, so we all have a uh stock handling, which is a campdrive run, campdrive format. And we do a pack saddle, so we've got to pack our horses and they set a course and it's all on time. Shoeing, we've got to put some shoes on. Whipcracking, hitting targets, it's within the cross country as well. And bareback. Yeah, um, and a working cow horse.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

It's reasonably new to it too. So okay, yeah, so it's a real fully rounded out event, and like you said, stuff that you are expected to do. Yes, you know, every day. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people that are familiar with the Man from Snow River Festival, like they know it's more than just an event. It's a feeling. I it's my first time here, and I already rolled into town and could just feel that vibe. When you come into town, which I know you guys were a bit rushed to get here today, but like what hits you first when you come here?

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Normally that we're late and we've got to go get our metric.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Bye.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

I reckon what hits you first as you come into town is just the people everywhere. Just everywhere. Down the street, you start going in fast where all the campers are and it is just packed, they're just bump and bumper.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

It's insane. Caravans parked on top of caravans driving in.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

It's pretty surreal, I guess, for someone who might live in town every other time of the year. It's it's a real change, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Absolutely, and the ride like to to ride in front of the crowd that's here, the number of people is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah, it's it's truly unique, like you can feel it, and the energy, I believe, today, you know, being the first day of the event, is considered the quieter day as well. So we've still got a whole bunch of people ready to roll into town for the rest of the weekend. So definitely. Yeah, that's super exciting. So something that like I'm interested in knowing a little bit more about the event, sort of like what did it look like to you before you actually competed in the event? Like, obviously, I knew Morgan, you grew up around it, but like Emmy.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Um I guess when I first heard of it, I met Morgan and we were actually driving, and Morgan was talking about it and talking about a few things that are that are in the challenge. And I was keen. Oh, and I had a very good horse to do it on straight away, but I was so keen. I'd never done anything like this. I'd I'd camp drafted and done a little bit of um the the stockman's challenges that are just a dry work and a camp draft, but I was real excited to do this with all the different elements, even though I'd never packed a horse, I couldn't crack a whip, but yeah, it was gave you something to work towards though, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:38

And what about you, Morgan? Like obviously you watched it as a kid, it was in your life.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

No, I'd never attended the event. Okay. So I came here as a 15-year-old in the juniors for my first ever time to compete. And it was a bit of an eye-opener, I can tell you. Yeah, it was like nothing I'd ever done. I'd done a lot of pony club and a little bit of show jumping and stuff like that, and a handful of campgrass, but yeah, this is a whole different level, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

But then you went on to win four times, and obviously chasing a fifth this year. What does it actually take for you to stay at that level? Obviously, you've got a lot of people chasing your heels, yeah?

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Yeah, with me at the moment, the the biggest thing for me is to um keep my old all sound and fit. He's a bit of a mud guts if you don't keep him trimmed up and he's starting to get a bit old and a bit bunged up, a bit like me, so both keep both of us a little bit fit. Um and there's not so much preparing him for the individual events, he knows him back to front, he's he's a lot better horse than I am, a competitor, but it's more about being ready mentally to to attack for four days.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

And um you were the youngest winner at the age of 19. If you look back at that now, did did the weight of that actually hit you at the time, or is that something you reflect on now and go, gosh, wow?

SPEAKER_03 6:52

No, not not at the not at the time, you know, when you're 19, you're just sort of singing around doing your thing. But a few years later I did when I tried to win it the second time, and it took me another decade, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Wow, okay. But you kept at it, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Yeah, I came and went and missed a few years here and there with work and had a broke leg one year and a shoulder another year. But yeah, we have I have pretty much stayed at it since then, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Yeah, and obviously family like having Sam in the mix as well. Was that something that made it more competitive or just generally more meaningful for you?

SPEAKER_03 7:21

It's um I don't think it's made it any more competitive. He is a good competitor than Brother Sam and he nearly always makes the final, but I think it's just made the campsite a better deal. He's got four kids, we've got three kids, they're all coming up through the ranks, they're all starting to ride their ponies and play tackle footy out the back and all that sort of stuff, and that's it's certainly a lot better, it's a bit more intense, a lot better than just rolling up here with the by yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

For sure. We just chatted with Nicole MacDonald, and she had the same sentiment about this event, just like how the kids can come through and her own experience as a child, making friends and lifelong friends, and then seeing her kids do the same here. There's something pretty special about that being, you know, a meeting point every year. Everyone comes back together. Emma, you came in as someone virtually like not known to this world down here, obviously being from Queensland, and then went on to win it nine times. I mean, incredible, well done. Yeah, thank you. When you know you you got here and you saw it for the first time, when did you actually think I could I could really win this event?

SPEAKER_01 8:24

I don't know if I ever thought that, but I, you know, I prepared myself well. I I did everything I could at home, so I thought I can only go out there and and do what I know. And yeah, I was lucky I had a a really good horse at the time that took me to most of them wins. Yeah. And you know, he wasn't a young horse then, so we were, and he I'd had him since a two-year-old, so we were very familiar with one another, so it was it was I don't know, I guess you could say we we worked together well, so it wasn't wasn't as hard as you'd think it probably.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Because eight wins with you and that horse, is that correct?

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Seven, I wonder Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, eight titles. I was gonna say my research, hopefully, for that.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

You're right. Um and so that was a combination that you think worked because you guys just knew each other so well.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Yeah, and he he was a he was a great horse. He did a lot for me. He yeah, he was he was good at it.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

That's so special. Do you think that being not from here and growing up within this world that there was any kind of obstacle for you to be like, well, you know, I belong here now, or you just felt like immediately embraced by this whole community?

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Yeah, no, I felt like a part of it straight away. And I think because I was the outsider coming in, you know, the committee at the time, I remember Sandra Beers, they were, you know, very welcoming. Yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I felt felt a part of it from the start. That's awesome. And obviously you brought with it all of your talent, and so of course that doesn't go unnoticed. You two obviously competing, you know, in in this event and doing this life together. What does Manfred Snowy River weekends look like in your relationship? Like, are you stressed? Are you calm? Like, how does it roll?

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Oh no, there's a little bit of stress, especially getting here.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

No, every year I I get pretty like yeah, I get pretty prickly. Yep. Just ask Morgan.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah. I think I don't think I realise how much it I don't know if it's if it's anxiety or excitement, but it does. They do work a fine line between each other and obviously, but you I guess deep down both can support each other knowing that you know what it feels like to be in it. Is that sort of generally what you find? Yeah, definitely. So last year was by all accounts a lot of local riders in the finals. So when you're growing up here, does it give give you those people an edge, do you think, Morgan?

SPEAKER_03 10:51

I don't really know how to answer that one, but I don't know if it gives them so much as an edge. As we're all pretty big in our own backyards. Right. So maybe a little edge. I feel like the judges do a pretty good job not to. It's such a big show, they're held pretty accountable. The judges, they if they were throwing points at somebody, they probably would get called out on it. So I don't really think it gives them too big a too big an edge, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Maybe just the confidence I guess those local riders have.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Well you need everyone's big in their own backyard, aren't they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

But when it comes to Sunday, you can't hide. It doesn't matter where you're from, they're gonna block a brumby out of that shoot, and then you've got to ride back on the horse. It doesn't matter who you are, if you don't catch them and ride, you're you're out the back with the rest.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Hi, quick favour before we jump back in. If you're loving this episode, don't keep it to yourself. Send it to a mate, share it on your socials, hit follow, or even better, drop us a review. It helps us keep showing up and bringing you more from this Western world we all love. Okay, now let's get back into it. Obviously, lots of names came up when we first were just chatting with the committee about sort of who we were talking to, the webs, the Connors, the Bandys, the Mitchells, like family lines that are competing throughout this and you know, winning. Do you feel, as obviously a team and a family representing that, that there's a legacy to carry forward? Oh, yeah, definitely. I think there is. Yeah, and the the kids are keen for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

Oh, they're only a little jack as well.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yeah, well, we pulled up here and we were trying to get set up and organized to come and vet check and do this, and our little girl, she's six, and she's like, Mum, I need to get on my horse.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

So that's what we did. We saddled her horse and we haven't seen her since.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

I love it. We haven't had a big walk around yet. We've been doing a lot of setting up, but like I've definitely seen the kids just in their element. They love it.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Yeah, no, it's super exciting. When when you're here and you know, you're feeling all of that, and this event, you know, the the list of information they sent me about this whole event and its history. Like, when you're here riding and competing, is that something that you're feeling as as part of that history?

SPEAKER_03 12:56

I don't know about you, Anne, but I I try to block all of that out. I just say I'm doing the bareback course. I I literally try and just do the bareback course at a try and you know. Because it's a lot. It's the only thing you can control. So you may as well just do your best at that one thing instead of worrying about everything else. Like there could be I don't know, especially on the finals, there could be 15,000 people watching me on the stands there, but that's got nothing to do with what you do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yeah, and I think you're right. Once you once you start an event and you like you you gotta concentrate, otherwise you wouldn't be there. They will be concentrating. Yeah, so it's kind of for some people I see the crowd probably could get a little daunting because it's massive. The crowds are massive watching, but you're probably lucky we compete a lot. Yeah, we do. We compete a lot, so it kind of doesn't bother us. We know we're confident that we've prepared well and we know we can do what's in front of us, so you just do your job.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

And I feel the biggest thing with your confidence competing despite the crowd is is knowing you've got a good horse. Yeah, exactly. If you've got a good horse, you can just up them.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah. Is this one of your favourite events? Like you you get around to the different events. Is this one of the the top ones for you guys on the circuit?

unknown 14:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Definitely is not only money-wise, but you know, when we're in Queensland competing in that people walk up to you and ask you about this show, you know, the other end of the country, and it's it's a big yeah, yeah, it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

And the people that I've personally met from this is unbelievable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Yeah. No, it's super exciting. Like, when you talked before about how in Queensland, you know, you'd done sort of facets of the events. Do you think that there's is an event quite like this anywhere else?

SPEAKER_01 14:34

No, you've got your smaller ones like Battle on the Bidgie and that, but there's there's not an event with the atmosphere that this one brings on this scale, like this level that people and yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

I reckon there's what? Oh a thousand people watching whatever they're doing over that road in the middle of the street.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah, no, it's it's definitely and that's the thing, there's so much variety here, there's something always going on to interest so many people.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

And it wasn't this big when I first started in the Venus. It was big, it was the biggest show I'd ever been to, but you know, there wasn't 28,000 people here. Camping for four days, maybe five thousand people.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Yeah, no, it's and and you know, that's a credit, I guess, to the way they've run this and built this community and the volunteers from this town. Like, yeah, what a big effort. Like, really, it's it's pretty incredible. And and that's something I think that came out as well in some of our research is like people that competed here, you know, decades ago, coming back now, they're building courses, they're judging, they're shaping this event. Like, is that do you think like a goal people have when they've been part of it, like you guys have, that you want to see yourself kind of part of the fixtures later on?

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Well, look, I don't know about being a part of the fixture. But what I have noticed is that past competitors, say Mallory and Kirby, they are actually my generation, they're now the judges for the bareback course, and they were quite good at that. I remember in the kids and that, and so they've set an extremely difficult course. So I feel the level is the standard is going up because the successful competitors are now doing those courses. So obviously they're not gonna set a super easy one, they're gonna set something that would have challenged them.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

So obviously they were the best at the time, so that's gonna challenge everybody else.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

And that just bodes so well for the future of something like this because it's just gonna keep getting you know more challenging and setting that higher bar. So, you know, that's exciting. But I think what interests me, like I said, I've been watching everything come and go today, and as someone watching this for the first time, like what's happening behind the scenes that I I just won't see or understand as a first timer. Like, you know, I've watched you guys even just walk around and get everything sort of checked off your lists and you're focused, and you know, what's happening behind the scenes?

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Oh, look, for every event, it's and every person's different, everyone prepares different, obviously, but there's a lot going on. Like, there's probably there'd be a team of 30 people over there for the pack saddle, you know, and there's probably 15 people associated with the bareback course while it's being run and you know they're they're all working, they all seem to be doing they don't sit around too much.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

No, 100%. Yeah, so yeah, it's just constantly yeah, and as as competitors in that, do you feel that you're sort of well managed to kind of just you know where you need to be and all that sort of stuff?

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Like it's a really yeah, yeah, and like the time how they've got us scheduled to where we have to be, it's pretty good. You're not you're not rushing from one to the next. No. It's all scheduled in good, so you you know, you have you've got time to prepare for your next event. Yeah, you know, whether it be shoeing, you don't get your shoeing horse and your shoeing gear, and you know, you're not you're not racing about.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, so they they're giving you that time that's yeah. It's it it's really a credit, and I really can't wait to see how it all unfolds this weekend. But you know, if you take away the the titles and and strip it all back, like what keeps you coming back every year?

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Well, I reckon I I love coming for the family side of it. The kids love it. It's a you know, we're here for four days, the kids were so excited to be coming, we camp with all their cousins, and they they have the best time. Like Morgan was saying before, we all camp together over there, so it's kind of like a little camping trip away. And I guess I don't know, it it does get a little stressful. I I find it a little stressful at times with with everything going on, but you know, w when you make the final and you ride out there on a Sunday and the crowd and that, that's it's it's something else. It's a it's a different feeling.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

If you had to look back on, you know, your journey through all of these, is there a real standout moment where you felt just real genuine pride about what you've accomplished?

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Oh not really. I feel I feel it every year. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

Yeah, that's true. Every time you do well here, you've heard there's no sneaking around. Yes, you know, there's eight events, however many now, there's more events now, and you just can't bluff your way through that many events, eh?

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Is there an event that just like repeats in your head though that like you weren't you just wish you had done something different? Does that play in your mind? Absolutely. Give me give me one of your scenarios where you just be like, I got it, yeah. I wish I could change that.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Pack saddle. Okay. I put too much weight in one bag and and my pack caught on a tree just near the end and pulled it a little bit sidewards, and because bags weren't weighted quite right, right. It's but I thought it'll be right because it's so you've got to be so quick and moving. I thought it'll be right, I'll just leave it. And it pulled it a little bit to the side and I didn't get across the finish line, it rolled. I thought if I'd have just taken the time to even out my packs, I would have been would have, yeah, yeah, it would have been a whole different story.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Right. And you've got a few rolling around in your head, Morgan.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Tell me.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Now my careers a bit more. No, there was a Brumby catch here one year not that long ago. I mean, I was well and truly in the hunt. 95 points or something away from the leader, and they didn't catch their Brumby and I came in and I sort of rushed my catch and I cut my Brumby off and taught it to turn back. So once you teach them horses to turn back, you have to be very careful because every time you go up beside them, they want to turn back and you can't put a holder on them. And first lap, I turned him back. Just not taking my time around the end. We like to get on the ends and sit behind them and run them up the streets and try and be a little bit strategic about it. And I uh went away from a game plan and yeah, he turned back pretty good for the rest of the two minutes and getting caught.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Is there a favourite of the events for you? Brumby couch would definitely have to be it for me. Yeah, get that far. Yeah, exciting. How about you?

SPEAKER_03 20:30

Favourite event when I was younger, it used to be the poly ride. Not now, it hurts too much now. Um but now with the horsework is hands down the Brumby Couch. Yeah, I really like to show them. We've also been blessed with him and I really like to show them off.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

That's so good. And you've just walked the bearback course. What were your thoughts on that? Oh yeah. I'm I think we've got the best seat in the house for this, right? Yeah, you actually do.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

They've set a good course. We'll we'll see how it goes tomorrow, but they've definitely set a good course. There'll be they yeah, there's no stone left unturned out there.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Yep, and this is obviously a course that's designed, is it the Dancurvis? Yes. So they've basically put their heart and soul into making this as difficult as possible.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Put a little too much in.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

No, it looks interesting, I'm excited. Taking a quick break here to thank our supporters, the Man from Snowy River Bush Festival, one of Australia's most iconic celebrations of horsemanship and western lifestyle. And of course, where this episode of Beyond the Buckle was recorded. Now let's get back to it. Guys, we have a little kind of like segment that we like to add on to the end of the podcast, which is called our buckle list, which is kind of a play on the bucket list. But it's an opportunity to kind of ask you guys something that you know you'd like to sort of share about, you know, a goal, whether it's you know, through life or competing or just general stuff, but like what would be something that's top of your buckle list? Right now.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

This one's been mine for a little while. We do Klon Curry's Documents Challenge up in Queensland, and it's I've been wanting to win that for a while. Okay. I've got second and I've got third. We've got other small places, but I haven't been able to get the win yet, so I nice.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

I love that. Alright, well we've got it on document it now, so that's happening. Yeah. Morgan, what about you?

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Oh hands down, it's been my goal for a long time to win this event five times before I retire. Beautiful. And got one to go, but that's easier said than done. When I was a child, Scott Barney was the he was the man he's won it five times, and he encouraged me a lot and helped me a lot. And he's um he's a hell of a good fella. And yeah, if I could equal him, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

That is super, that is so good. Well, I want to thank you both for taking the time in your very busy schedule to sit down with us and not just sort of you know share the stories, but like kind of share what you bring to the festival and you know represent the Man from the Snow River Festival. So you're a big part of why it's successful and why, you know, new people are coming into it to watch you. So we wish you the best of luck for the rest of the weekend and really appreciate your time. Thank you for joining us. No worries, thank you guys. That is it for this episode of Beyond the Buckle, recorded on location at some of Australia's biggest Western events, bringing you the stories you don't hear from the stands. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you're following on your favourite podcast platform and on YouTube so you don't miss what's coming next. Because the arena is only part of it. The rest happens beyond the buckle. This episode is proudly powered by M5 Rodeo Promotions. If you're chasing real rodeo, M5 is where you'll find it. Real cowboys, real competition, no fluff. Check out M5 Rodeo Promotions online to see where the next showdown is, and we'll see you at the shoots.