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Ep. 6: The Mental Side of Fitness Nobody Talks About
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In this episode, we dive into the mental side of fitness and why working out is about more than just building muscle or losing weight. Casey and Ron talk about anxiety, stress, discipline, confidence, and how fitness can impact men’s mental health in both positive and negative ways. From using the gym as therapy to struggling silently while trying to stay strong, this conversation keeps it real about the emotional side of fitness that most people avoid talking about.
Purpose, like what's your purpose in life? Like what are you here for? I know we're all here for a short time, fun time, whatever it may be, but like I feel like I I would say I'm I'm I'm here to just kind of enjoy the time I'm here. I'm I'm a father now, so my job is to now take care of something small, take care of my wife, but like I'm here to enjoy the time I'm I'm I'm here, have fun.
SPEAKER_01Like Yeah, you know I I feel like um for me man, like so I want to be a staple as far as like the love that I give to anybody that's around me. Like if you around me, I want to make you better. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if I'm not making you better, then it doesn't make sense. I want to be someone that will will try to push you to your best version of yourself.
SPEAKER_00And if I can help you welcome back to the No Games, No Filter Podcast. Uh today we have a good episode for you guys. Today, we want to focus on talking about how fitness and well how men's how mental health and anxiety correlate in fitness and how I feel like we can use gym gym as a positive way to kind of get rid of some of the stress we have in our life.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. So the way I want to start this off is Um How why do you feel like a lot of young men run to the gym when they're like having a rough day and like having a hard time? Yeah. Why do you think it's like why do you think they feel like it's a safe place?
SPEAKER_01Alright, so it's two ways I can answer this, right? Um one, I can answer it like I feel even and you're a little younger than me, but back then it really fitness wasn't like kind of like the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like if people worked out, it was because you played a sport or whatever the case is. Um, but nowadays, fitness is so big because it's all over your feed. You know what I'm saying? So it's all over the gram, which is a great thing because if we know better, we do better. So it's kind of like a fad. So that may be one reason why, you know what I'm saying, a lot of guys kind of run to it, right? Because it's something that everybody does. Um, the other thing is that um while the the real the back end thing, I think the reason why they do it is because I feel like with fitness, you never walk in the gym feeling the same way you walked out. So if I'm having a bad day and I'm feeling crazy, when I walk out, I'm gonna feel better by myself.
SPEAKER_00So you almost feel like after the gym, you you are you accomplish something?
SPEAKER_01It's like it's like it's like you know what it is, like um, I don't know, getting regenerated to something. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like for me, like I feel the same way because I go to the gym in the morning for 4 30, 5 o'clock, and I feel like it jump starts my day. Like without it, I feel like I'm a little sluggish.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, because that obviously it wakes you up, it releases endorphins, so you feel better. Um and just overall, just mentally, you just feel like you did something for you, right? So like when you're doing something for yourself, how what better satisfaction is it?
SPEAKER_00No, no, yeah, because I I heard there's a benefit of that as well, like working out early in the morning because when you when you start moving your body that early, you raise your body temperature and your body temperature stays a little higher during the daytime. So now you might be burning extra calories in a day because of that morning workout, how much it fueled and started your day off.
SPEAKER_01I feel like the morning thing is good. I mean, it's just that not everybody's able to do it, but you know, only because with the morning thing, you kind of knock it out instead of waiting till later on. Later on, sometimes think late life happens and you wind up not going. But like back to what we're talking about, um, I feel like a lot of young guys um they do it because it is the fad. That's one. That's why you see a lot of young dudes in there. Um, and the and the other thing is that it's something that I guess when they when they're walking out of there, you feel better about yourself.
SPEAKER_00Do you feel like people like it because you can control everything? Like this is a the gym is a controlled environment. Like anything you do there is what you choose to do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's just it's no other, you know, like uh you can buy something and that's a temporary satisfaction. Um, but then when you're working out and you you know, you see in yourself get stronger, you see in, you know, the difference in how you look, so then that you feel different. Because if if you look good, you feel good. If you feel good, then you have a a whole different perspective on life because your your whole confidence is up. Yeah. So I feel like it's just no no.
SPEAKER_00I I feel the same way. I feel I feel the same way. I feel like um, yeah, it just works with confidence. For me, I liked I wanted to say control is because the gym, the gym is whatever you put in is what you're gonna get out. So you can control your whole entire environment by pretty much like example, choosing the weight you lift. That's a controlled environment. So I guess it gives you the freedom to kind of do whatever you want. Yeah, and people like that because it's it's a it's for me, it's like a time where I can just kind of forget about the outside world and just kind of focus on the weight I'm pushing. Yeah. That I chose, you know.
SPEAKER_01And um, it's back to just even just the beginning, yeah, um, with men's mental health and anxiety, because men deal with a lot. We know we do. And um, and obviously that because of that, then we have anxiety, which we kind of don't um really get to talk about because it'll be frowned upon if we do talk about our emotions and feelings. That's a whole nother topic. But you know, um, so that's why it should it is important to incorporate that fitness aspect is because um just working out reduces the stress levels, which then causes the anxiety to go down, and you just you know, like you just feel a lot better. You know, I feel like a lot of men they go to different things, maybe women, you know what I'm saying? Yeah um that'll be something that they do, and but a lot of it it ain't nothing, it's it's only temporary fixes. So when you are dealing with anxiety, even myself, I uh years ago I used to have like um my anxiety was up. I used to have that a lot, like just because mentally, you're just trying to like you know handle everything. It's a lot going on, and then you kind of gotta like keep your straight face, so you you you know, you just you know, and plus when you when you love hard and you're trying to make sure everybody's happy, when you don't make everybody happy, you feel kind of like like like like you like not accomplished, yeah, not accomplished. And as men, what makes us feel good is knowing that we're actually making the people around us happy. And if we're not doing that, we feel like we're not at a at we're not a man, like we're not, you know, so that causes us to have what? Anxiety, right? Anxiety, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I and I think just going off of that, I think the world of society, they put so much on us where if we are doing all the right things, let's say we are, and not and not saying right or wrong, but let's say we are taking care of our woman, paying the bills, and she doesn't have to worry about nothing, but then she expects so much more from us where we assume that we're giving her as much as we can. We we're gonna feel stressed and you know about that relationship. But the female doesn't understand that we put all the work in to make your life a lot easier, and that's where I got my pleasure from. You want a little more, you might not be verbalizing it to me, but like I'm getting my pleasure because I'm taking care of the family. I'm making sure you got a place to sleep, the water's on, the electric's on, all those other things. We do things, but you want more out of me that might not be feasible with all the time I have.
SPEAKER_01This is why it's super important to uh get a woman that will um understand that and and appreciate because we the minute that we don't feel appreciated, that's when things go left. That's when things start going bad for us, because the what our makeup is to like make sure that our woman or people around us is actually in good position. So when they're like, I'm not happy, you're like, damn, what more do you want from me? You know what I mean? Like, what more do you want? What else can I do? Right? Like that's quoted by Tariese because he was wild and like, but anyway, um, you know, but what more do you do you want? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, and and now you're like you're fighting the uphill battle because you know, um, maybe because whatever she got going on and you trying to live up to whatever she thinks that what you should be and what you should be doing and that things. So bottom line is that, you know, one, obviously you want to, you know, pick somebody or be with someone because that, you know, the the I think that's the one of the main biggest decisions that you make is you know, that partner that you choose. So you're having that good partner that understands you, appreciate you, um, but also um just taking that time for yourself to go to the gym to feel like you're releasing those endorphins to lower that stress level. 100%.
SPEAKER_00I've always been an adamant person of going to a gym with your partner. Yeah. Like some of my best workouts has been with my wife. Yeah. I feel like that part just kind of helps out. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01When you have uh uh uh uh going and working out with with your w with your woman, I mean, a person that works out together stays together. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's a big deal, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, no, no. I I definitely I definitely feel you on that. Um I definitely feel you in that. Did you have a question?
SPEAKER_01No, I know I was about to see right now. All right, so um the pressure to always provide. I think we went on that a bit, right? We kind of yeah, a little bit. We touched on that. Do you feel for you um that it does bring a lot of pressure for you? Do you feel that sometimes it is a little overwhelming? Because certain things, here's the thing, right? As a man, say if things get a little crazy, you don't want to really tell her because you don't want her.
SPEAKER_00I don't want to stress her, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you gotta take it. So how do you deal with that and does that happen for you too?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I think the pressure to provide happens to everybody. I think that's kind of a uh uh a crazy a statement in a sense where it's like it's hard to kinda give your partner everything they may need. Like, I I struggle in that sense where I'm like, I know my my woman wants a lot more like in life in general, but like we gotta stay the course. And I think it it stresses me out a lot because I'm like, hey, I I want to give you this, but I can't give the I can't give you to this right now. So I think I I try to like over like over provide, like try to throw numbers in her face to make her understand, but like that's not her love language. So I think I I get stressed out the fact that I'm not really getting what she wants, but my love language right now is getting to certain numbers, but her love language may be like, yo, like maybe it could be a trip, it could be a pair of shoes, and I'm like, I'm not focused on that right now.
SPEAKER_01I know yo, listen, I'm gonna cut you off, but that's a big thing you said. That was such a key factor, man, because you know two people love each other, right? Different love languages. Yeah, but you're looking at it like this is what I'm trying to do for us for the future. So my love language is us the stack. We can't do nothing, we can't go nowhere, or this is what we're doing for the future. She's like, no, I want to go on vacation, I want some shoes, I want this. So you kind of could go in opposite directions, but but that's why it's crazy that some people could wind up even um breaking up for something like that. But it's just you gotta understand that no, we are still working in for the same team.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, tandem.
SPEAKER_01It's just that, you know, your love, but that's why honestly, so alright, so how do you combat that? Like, what do you do to um because you know that, and I I love that point, you know what I'm saying? That your love language is different from hers, and that was dope how you broke it down. But what do you do now to compromise to make her satisfied too? Or do you just stand firm like, nah, this is what it is, this is what we're not doing. I can't stand right now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a good one because there's no way that I could stand firm and then everyone be happy and is, you know, so it's like I gotta give a little bit sometimes where it's to the point where I don't want to, but like, okay, cool. Well, okay, I'll you know, make sure we get you those sneakers and boom. Or I my my favorite line is like, yo, just give me a month or so so we can get something something together, and I got you, don't worry about it. And I get it. But for me, it's like I'm always a number guy, I'm always looking ahead. So I'm like, hey, you can't tell me you want something today because it's not there yet, you know? Give me some time and I'll hopefully I can get what you want. So that's kind of how my low language is.
SPEAKER_01But say you're lucky enough that has a woman that understands that. Yeah, a woman to be like, oh, nah, we ain't got it. We not uh we not able to do that, dah, dah that. She's patient, she's no no no, which you got blessed, but but you but you still say to yourself, even you right now, like, I do gotta give a little bit. Like, I certain times I don't want to do it, but so you're saying that you do have to bow down a little bit.
SPEAKER_00You have to because at the end of the day, it's like I know sometimes I'll get the things that I like, so why can't she get the things that she likes sometimes?
SPEAKER_01Well, I like that right there.
SPEAKER_00You know what I mean? Like, like sometimes it's like that you both gotta like make a little sacrifice to get the things you want in life, you know. That's how I see it as.
SPEAKER_01You know, and that's the thing, right? Like, men that actually pour into their woman too. They want to make sure that their woman is genuinely happy and genuinely have things for themselves, opposed to you just saying, hey, I'm the man, just follow everything. You like me, I don't care about your feelings, what you got going on.
SPEAKER_00Nah, not at all. It's important, bro. Nah, it's important that like she has her own vision in life. She can still, you know, get the things she wants. It's just I got a plan for us. We stay on this plan. Like I said, it gets stressful sometimes because you you want to keep doing better for her or just for your family in general.
SPEAKER_01But do you do you feel as a man, right? Do you feel um do you do you fear failure as a man?
SPEAKER_00Um so that's I feel like that's a difficult question to answer because what's your definition of failure in your eyes? That's that could be different.
SPEAKER_01I mean that is that is a dope point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because in my mind there's a lot of there's a different like what is what's what's failure to me? Failure to me is is it just is it losing the video game or is it losing my family? Like you gotta look at it differently.
SPEAKER_01Well, it could be um I guess you know, um, you not being able to do the things that she would like for you guys to do. Failure, I don't know, failure could be you right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, and I say it as a sense where it's like a lot of things that happen in life, I don't look at it as a failure, I just look at a lot of lesson learned. Something that I I could just, oh, that was a hill I ran into. Next time I'll go around it, or I'll find a better path over.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I always look at the philosophy as like we never lose either we win or we learn. There's no losses here. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't, so you so just fear, like fear as in, you know, like you said, I I so you answered the question by saying you don't fear as you don't fear because you understand that life is gonna throw these these things at you, and it's not about you losing, it's what I learned from that, which is actually a dope point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's like it's like how can you take the situation and learn from the situation? Yeah. Um, maybe you handled it perfectly fine the first time, maybe you didn't. So next time come back to the situation and or maybe it never happens again, but like now you know if this does happen again, I'm gonna do it this way, I'm gonna do it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I always think about like, and we talk about it too, not the best way, but we always we're like, maybe we should have done our wedding over differently. We keep talking about it, like it just comes out again. It just when we look back at it, it just wasn't what we wanted.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I had a good time.
SPEAKER_00No, it was a good time, but our vision of wedding wasn't it what it didn't meet the requirement. Like, we didn't have the photographer we wanted, like we kind of rushed it in a sense where we should have just did a back a backyard wedding. Like, we just have a lot of things. What's up? You can still do it again. I know, like in my mind is give 'em, give myself a couple years. We're gonna do some like vowel renewals, even though we never did vowels. What? No, because we wanted to keep it personal, and then it never kind of came up, and I told her that one of these days we will do like a vowel video. Okay. And just kind of because we just never did it. I just want to be there, bro. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I got you. Yeah, bro. I got you. But but what do you but but what do what do you feel about that? So so I know you've you've you've your life, you lived a completely different life than me. You've you had your up and downs. When you ran into a wall or you believe you came into a point where you failed at a business venture, how did you come across uh you know come beyond it?
SPEAKER_01Be honest, like I said, I think the beginning part was like like as a as a man, sometimes you don't want to reveal like some of your failures to a woman, you know?
SPEAKER_00Do you you feel do you feel like you feel like it so because I've had this situation, I'm not gonna go in detail, but like there was a point in my life where we would get into arguments and then we would talk, and then I would feel like it's a safe place, and then that stuff would get thrown at me in the future. And then when that happened to me, bingo, I had to sit her down, and I'm like, so you have to understand this is the real reason why I don't talk to you, is because if I do open up to you with a sensitive topic and you know it's sensitive, you'll use it against me in the future. And you have done this to the point where you've actually hurt me, where I came to you at a sensitive time, and you then said, but blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh man, I've been in that. Yo, that's a good yo, it's a great point, man. And I'm happy because I I feel that a lot of men don't get to really say it. And it's crazy because when you do talk about it, sometimes you get looked at like, you're emotional, like it's not that serious. Why are you acting like that, bro? I'm just trying to tell you that this is not healthy, you know what I'm saying? Because you gotta understand it backfires. I'll give you my little situation. So there's a time I had a uh situation, business venture with someone, um, and uh, you know, it didn't it didn't work out. You know, I I I gave my all with certain something, whatever the case is. And um while I was happening, I kind of went to her and I'm like, damn, you know, this is what happened, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know why he did this, da-da-da. It's kind of messed up, you know. Something happened, and she's like, Oh, you know, listening to me, and I was like, you know, it was cool, and she just listened and I was like, damn, man, I was sad, I was felt down because I felt like damn, I put something a lot into it, and this is what happened. You know, you know, maybe a month later we get into something, and I guess she got mad at me, and she was like, you know, you know, the reason why that happened to you because you're a bitch.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, bro. See, but this is what I can laugh now. I can laugh now. Yeah, you could laugh now, but in the moment, that hurts. That hurts in the moment.
SPEAKER_01That's why he fucking did that shit to you. And I was like, bro, yeah, that shit stabbed me in the heart. I didn't even know. Like, I didn't I was like, all right, okay, all right. So it it you know it and and because of that, now you're like cautious about revealing everything.
SPEAKER_00I shouldn't know. I I completely went cold. Like in my situation, I went cold. I went like, okay, bet. Yeah. So you're gonna you're gonna get me, but you you're gonna get the point where I won't share nothing personal with you that has any emotional feeling.
SPEAKER_01Now you're married to someone or you're with someone that you can't be your open real self to, and that causes other things, so that's why you don't want to do it.
SPEAKER_00You don't want to do that, yeah. So there came to a point where life happens, and so I you have to kind of come back to the drawing table because it could be have those conversations and really say, hey, like, so blah blah blah happened. Like, I do want to share these things, but I have to true, you have to truly understand, like, I'm sharing these things because I'm a vulnerable. You cannot use these against me if we do come with an argument. Just have an argument, don't be violent or don't bring up bad toxic things because I could do the same thing. It could be a back and forth to a point where we we can both cry, but why would we want to do that to each other? Like, like you said, like this is my wife. I'm supposed to love this person. So it came to a point where we had to sit down and have these conversations, and it went well to a point where we don't, that's not an issue.
SPEAKER_01And like, and like when something like that happens, like what you're saying is like you can't just say, I apologize, and then turn around and do it again. Yeah, and when you apologize, that means you understood what they said, yeah. You took it in, you put yourself in their position, and you said, I can see where you're coming from with this. So that takes a that takes a big responsibility because a lot of people don't really want to look themselves in the mirror. No, not at all, not at all. It's easy to say, well, you made me say this because you made me mad. You made me feel unsafe.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And this is why I said what the fuck I wanted to say. Bro, yeah, this is not the point. We're not doing this. So I'm just saying, back to what we talk about. I it's just something that's something right there that's so big, man. Like, you don't want to be, you don't want to, and that cause obviously we talking about men's mental health, anxiety, things like that. Those things will freaking like come down on a man where it it can cause a lot on him, you know. So I don't, I don't know. I just don't really think that we should be playing playing with that.
SPEAKER_00No, I don't, I don't, because I and like this is kind of off aside topic, but I see it, I see younger and younger people um depressed, thinking about suicide. And it's it's hard to see these things.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that dude from uh it was a young boo from Rondell Moore from Purdue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like freaking the the man, and then he went to um he went to the NFL and they did an interview because he was like talking to one of the players and he was like he was like they was like, What's wrong with you, man? He was like, I'm he was like, nah, I'm gonna I just dropped some balls and all that today. I dropped a pause, but I don't know if that's a pause, but I you know dropped some whatever passes or whatever today and whatever, and then freaking like a week later, he goes in the hotel room and freaking blows his head off. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what the Yeah.
SPEAKER_00To me, I I need to understand, like, is life is is life that hard to deal with that you that's the easiest route.
SPEAKER_01I I know you know what I think it is pressure.
SPEAKER_00Pressure to perform, pressure for family, pressure just everything around you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think I think I think when you have pressure without being able to release it meaning that being able to be your real transparent self to be able to express that because men are taught to suck it up yeah stop acting like a without me saying the bitch do whatever you know what I mean yeah yeah you know like you you can't act like a little girl this is what you be told and all that so when you when you uh when you hear these things you just kind of like you know internalize everything and that right there was like a recipe for disaster because sometimes you could be like a tick and time bomb into no I'm not gonna lie like when I was younger that that was me like if if I was mad at something let's say life I wouldn't say nothing and then it would just come out later like like months later a year later I'm just like I'm done with this and I just go I just go off to a point where it was super bad where I I really had to look at myself um and just kind of figure out what what I was doing and I always go back to like when my brother passed that that kind of like it kind of showed me life is short like why am I behaving or why am I like going through life like this when like we just really don't know.
SPEAKER_00So it kind of just made me think and do move differently in a positive way and then what took it to the next level is my son. Like that just even made me say okay I gotta really really get my shit together. I gotta really really make a step because you like you you know you have kids like to have like these little I call them aliens because they are aliens these little aliens that came out of um that that that are yours that you have like you created that your DNA that look like you and you have to take care of it it just feels great. Like I just personally I don't I don't get how people can just run away from their kids. I know this is hard bro because there's points where you're like oh man can I just I let me just drive but it's like but like you're like but then when you see the kid or when you see the person or your wife or whoever it is you see their face like especially when I when I see my son's face it lights me up. Yeah like that's what gets that that's what keeps me going. That's what kind of like for sure too like I'm just I'm going on a rant a little bit but like when I come home from work I'm stressed I'm like not even I don't have a stressful job but like it's a long day long commute a lot of times I get home I leave I leave before they wake up and I get home after they get home I walk through the door I see my son on his high chair eating his food like dad dad bro it's amazing because it's like come on what like what can you ask for that's better than that like he's just dad dye like so it's like those kind of things will then like say all right forget though forget all that outside crap what's uh what's going on that's good but see we talked about that too right the purpose part like when you do have something sometimes that's your driving force to actually moving in that direction so it was so you you you found it you know what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah and yeah and we should kind of talk about that because like and and we I know we kind of glazed over last time but like purpose like what's your purpose in life like what are you here for?
SPEAKER_01I know we're all here for a short time fun time whatever it may be but like I feel like I I would say I'm I I'm here to just kind of enjoy the time I'm here I'm I'm a father now so my job is to now take care of something small take care of my wife but like I'm here to enjoy the time I'm I'm I'm here have fun like I I feel like um for me man like here's this right so if if I'm a millionaire and I have I'm not a millionaire if I have millions right yeah and I'm I'm making all of this money I and I and I you get older and you go right that's cool you just had all that money in the bank but that money's gonna be dispersed to everybody else right that's cool but then you could they can have somebody else and what they did was show love to everyone they tried to help as many people as they can they touch different people when they was around them you make people feel better but then when they go it's gonna be a lot more love. So I want to be a staple as far as like the love that I give to anybody that's around me. Like if you around me I want to make you better you know what I'm saying if I'm not making you better then it doesn't make sense I want to be someone that will will try to push you to your best version of yourself. And if I can help I would um I I want to show love I I can't and this is how I feel but like I can't like give love if I don't love myself. So you know loving yourself is like the main thing like love you first love you and now I can actually be able to give that love. So I want to spread love everywhere so later on it's like yo that dude what he made like either something that you said or something that you didn't like you touched him. I don't want to be the guy that just had all the money they what's your life worth you just made a whole bunch of money but who did you touch? How many people did you you know make you know it could be something so small like do something for somebody without even without so say like I see somebody right I do this all the time on a gram but they may be you know promoting like they doing like classes they promoting you know they opened up a a a juice store open up something I'm the first one to I they don't even have to tell me I'm just gonna be posted like just cuz like I'm just gonna show love. So for me that is me I love to do stuff like that. I don't really need to like if you my man I know you're going through something I want to like and I know what it is I want to just be there to be like alright look let me just before you even have to say anything I'll I got you. You know what I'm saying? That's for me that's bigger than just having a whole bunch of money.
SPEAKER_00No I feel you because for me just to kind of bounce off of that because now you got me in a in a in a perfect route to talk I feel like the purpose well my kind of recent purpose is to learn as much as possible about money and finances and share that because I've been in the books for five six years learning about this learning about this and and I'm the at any possible chance you anyone understands that knows me like who sees me on a day-to-day basis did Casey bring up stocks today? Yeah he did like did he bring up stocks today oh he did like because I'm trying to better people around me like I'm literally saying hey did you did you did you start your IRA coworkers who just came did you start your IRA your 26 years show start right now get ahead of the game I gotta I gotta holler at you too man because you you got so much knowledge on stuff like here's the thing right we all we don't have it all together no that's just life and if you're not open to learn I don't care what age you are you're not growing yeah so I don't mind to be like yo Casey so what you got going on with that like what part was this and I could be like oh damn I know about that part but you know what put me on let me know how it works you never be too you know up here that's like I don't really gotta you know what I'm saying like listen to nobody else because I don't I I think what I'm saying is it that's stupid. Yeah no I feel you on that I feel you know going back like cross back over to the fitness side do you feel like people struggle mentally like do you think a lot of mental struggle comes from people's body appearance when it comes to them wanting to come to like go to the gym like do you think they're unhappy about their looks their body and this might be the the source of the stress and this is why they're going to the gym yeah I think that's a perfect point.
SPEAKER_01I like it I like it because there's a lot of people that do struggle with that. Understand something walking into a gym everybody that's in that gym is trying to work on themselves.
SPEAKER_00Yes please nobody in there is perfect.
SPEAKER_01We are all trying to be better so you listen I'm not gonna judge you in the gym if you're in the gym because you're trying because you're in the gym you came to the gym you want to try to do something I will never get on you for not trying if I see you with a box of donuts and dunking donuts I see you not trying I'm I ain't gonna lie I'm I'm sorry to say this but I've been eating some bullshit over the last couple weeks a lot of chips a lot of bullshit I know I'll be talking that good shit but I have not been on that good shit. Yo here's the thing I know and here's the problem this is what I need everybody to understand something him doing that is totally different from a person that's been doing it all their life and they've never been in the fitness you want to know why it's okay for him to do that? Because he can do that for that second and he can go right back into his game mode and now he's on it. Yeah you have to really form a pattern so of discipline before you can even think about doing this. Get your body to that point. Don't be like damn say you you you know you big as shit you in the gym you're working out and then you go out oh I've been working out you know I mean so I deserve to eat this no your fat ass don't you need to goddamn get to your goals all the way through and then you could play I could play. He can play you can't play yet you need to really sit back and say I'm not ready yet yeah for sure you shouldn't be playing for sure you know I'm saying you do not deserve it. If you didn't reach your goal you don't deserve it just like if you're trying to stack money you don't deserve that thing if you didn't save up the money that you said you needed to keep saving and then when you get to that saving point then treat yourself.
SPEAKER_00Yes but you don't deserve it you do not deserve that cookie that ice cream I don't care if you went for a week straight or two weeks straight bro be on your shit you we we so you could talk like that I'm just being you know nah nah nah you're right you're right it's but it's the crazy part about it it's just like I I've like we all fall off that's the crazy part about it and we have to understand like we all fall I'm I'm definitely I fall off the track this last couple weeks but I I'm trying to steer back on a little little by little I'm I'm eating good I mean I'm like I still eat clean like almost I keep saying 90 I'm probably 70 70 right now yeah yeah 70% of the time I'm clean because yeah yeah I got a sweet tooth detail sometimes real talk though you know now this is like more like where we at the levels we at sometimes it's good for our bodies to get that kind of stuff bulk up a little bit and sometimes we get more full of this way I don't know why but it works sometimes. It does but I'm I'm also doing cardio still four or five times a week 30 40 minutes.
SPEAKER_01That's still that's still inside you think I'm gonna stop doing that like no so I'm gonna stop doing that it's just so he can say what I'm saying is I'm still doing 30 40 minutes of cardio plus eating language but you're talking about somebody that don't do nothing talking about I deserve to eat I'll be on that stair master for 40 minutes man.
SPEAKER_00I'm on there too what what a number you at as far as the uh the level the level uh you know the treadmill's a little differently but uh oh you on tremendo I mean tremendous no my bad I'm at stairmaster okay because I'm on I'm like the 12 oh I'm on 12 I'm like I'm but I bounce like I like I like to stay around like like that the nine ten I go up to twelve back down me too me too I drop around a little bit I stay at 12 is 80% of the time I drop down and chill for a second then I go back up to 12 and stay at 12 but you know how much mental discipline you gotta have to be on that steadmaster for a long time I watch movies I don't understand why people don't just take their phone out Netflix I can't I watch I got a Netflix show on like right now I'm watching the show um from on on prom it's like MGM it's it's it's a great show you gotta watch it it's called from yeah from from oh from yo I've been watching it too I think the whole world's been watching that yo I've been loving this show I just found out about you at you still we're mad i me and my wife have seen episode one to current bro in the last two weeks oh I'm not with you we we we're all the way up to like episode season four episode four or five that's like we're current right now we just waiting for the next episode to drop I'm not I'm still back because came the the the big season two bro you way behind no no no no you way behind no no no I passed that part bro mad stuff happened mad stuff happened bro mad stuff happened crazy crazy some people die that you you did not expect it's a good show it's a good show but but going back to the point is like on the treadmill like I do this that's what I do I watch movies I will I bring Iulu I bring Netflix out I bring I just find it a good show I'm watching I'm watching that I'm watching paradise right now so on the on the stairmaster where that's the way the way I can focus is kind of just getting in a show and just zoning out on on that show sometimes I accidentally go over but that's the way I can focus on the treadmill I can't I don't know how you guys would just listen to music and just just walk I can't do it like I can't yo let me ask you this right yeah just I mean you can not if it's just you but just general do you think social media and comparison uh destroys confidence? 100% 100% I feel like because this that was a big thing for me I feel like before my son came you know me I was heavy online doing fitness and stuff now I won't even post anything fitness but and and I feel like where my problem came in was I kept going to these gyms that I enjoyed heavy social media presence and I kept comparing myself to like yo why I'm why am I not that lean like I can't even bring the camera if I'm not lean my back is fat today let's put the camera away like I kept comparing myself to people on everybody right now yeah it's because I kept comparing myself to the to the to the 25 year old online who's walking around lean all the time and I'm like he's doing social I'm trying to do social I must need to get lean and that's not realistic and it just that was that was hurting me for a long time and then when I told myself like about six months after he was born I'm like I just gotta retire this camera and just focus on my m on my workouts and ever since that my workout been better like I'm not against the the recording I'll record myself the figure form out when I'm with you I record but I'm not recording for any other purpose now anymore because that it messed me up completely in my head. I just kept I kept trying to go for something that literally did not exist. This lean thin casey like yo where you at like where you it did not exist it was just a it was a it was just a fiction in my head.
SPEAKER_01So what would you say just as now that was your this is and this is somebody that actually works out heavy that's in the gym just overall general now to everyone that does that comparison for themselves online well what would you tell how what would you say about that for somebody that's maybe bad on that or dealing with that just looking at social media what would you tell them not to do or how to go about it I I I I would say like I I would say like utilize social media for tips but don't look at that as a person that you're gonna copy.
SPEAKER_00Like okay go into the gym and and and have a mindset of just kind of doing it for you like have a goal don't point like I feel like we should always have a goal like the the biggest thing for me is why I was doing those videos and and how I was able to kind of keep myself motivated every six months was like every six months I had a trip. So that was a point of taking the camera and and fighting for something was oh I gotta get ready for this trip. So if you have kind of a goal in your mind of not what you might want to look like because that might be long term hey I got Miami in six months let's get together but this doesn't mean start six months this means you work an assistantly working out for however many years it's time to get right for the next six months when I go to Miami I feel a lot more confident I'm looking the best um I'm gonna be someone prime down on Miami Beach in a sense like let's say me and you plan a trip to South Beach August September bro we need to be a lean machine and all yeah we do so we would get right we would get right lock in right lock in yeah yeah so if you can have something like that where you can set a goal and lock in I think that can help the average person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah so you say just overall just just you yourself just kind of try to try to do better with locking in. And and the biggest thing like I think with that too piggyback off of that is remember it's not you go to comparison of them is you versus you. You just want to be the best version of you. Understand that too like this is just you trying to be like all right so today I'm here you know I'm saying next week I'm you know uh uh you I mean it's almost like you said like you're taking what you're doing and you're trying to add weight progressive overload progressive overload that's what I was looking for trying to progress in your workouts so that was messed up I that's what I was looking for.
SPEAKER_00So you're saying you're you're trying to progress in your workouts.
SPEAKER_01Yeah progressive over progressive overload is just like you saying okay well this where I'm at and then now I'm gonna two weeks later I feel like I'm strong enough so I'm gonna get you know add more weight you're just progressively overloading each and every time you go to the gym and that's what I was looking for. So that was my point. I just haven't memored it because I forgot for a second.
SPEAKER_00Because that that that that's important like um I'm personally right now I'm lifting for strength I remember I told you that about a year ago that I started lifting for strength and lifting for strength is slowly moving up five pounds every here and there. And I just keep seeing how far I can push myself while keeping form nice while keeping form I'm just having fun in there I feel like it's a big playground.
SPEAKER_01As we should it's a big playground you know what it's like crazy because like the the what I feel like even when I don't go I feel like damn I'm missing something I missed something. It's such a big part of my own my mental talking about men's mentality we keep going back at that like that's such an embedded part like that is what I need to be honest with you. If I don't have the gym because I feel like in life in the world you really can't control a lot I think we talked I talked about this already yeah we can't control that much but at the gym we can control everything. So why wouldn't you take that thing you know to a full full potential you know what I'm saying like why wouldn't you really say as human beings we love controlling so we love having our whole environment controllable.
SPEAKER_00So when it comes to the gym you can control everything you do. That's why I like it man like I choose my work as I choose my weight I'll choose how hard I work.
SPEAKER_01I just like what we talked about before like we take away everything who are you are you happy could you walk around and still feel confident if if you just stripped away everything that you got and go out there are you still gonna be confident enough to talk to that girl still gonna be confident enough to walk in the room or you're gonna put your head down ask yourself that do you need these things? Nah you don't no no no no I'm just saying not not not us right now I'm talking about in general when you ask yourself when you're looking at what do you idolize more you know I'm saying these things or who you are as a person I'm saying if you take away everything you got right the titles the money you know I'm saying the jury calls whatever and you walk in somewhere are you still gonna be confident enough to talk to that girl if you take this away right are you still confident enough to walk into that room with these other you know dudes and still feel confident enough to have a conversation I think the gym gives some a lot of people that confidence though yeah I mean I ain't gonna lie it does my confidence be crazy like you don't understand like I'm good when I'm moving at certain places where and I tell this to my wife and she be she laughs at me she's like I don't like taking off my I don't like taking my shirt off around family.
SPEAKER_00Yeah because I'm like I know I look a little crazy around the average person I know so I'm like I just kind of keep the TikTok on yeah but with me and her don't get me wrong the shirt's off but like when I'm around her family and stuff I don't like to take my shirt off and she's like yo like if I stop doing that I'm like do you do you know like how I look I look like I I understand that you know you know what I mean like when you see somebody that's really fit is a constant reminder like damn you know what I mean it's like I'm here and you're like everybody else is really sort of it's gonna be like damn then it's like oh where the fuck he come from yo like I don't I don't want to make somebody feel uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01Yeah but I'm so and this is what we so confident about I feel like dude like I did I put up something the other day with Rick Ross he came pulled up in a in a in a in a um a Rolls Royce or something and he jumped out the car and he looked just kind of like because he's still kind of like really heavy but he just had that walk like the I'm the fat walk still you know I'm saying they was making fun of it and I was saying to myself I mean that's cool man but we idolized that so much dude be honest with you if they said look we could trade bodies and I could just have his life and have all that money and the cars and all that and he and and I but I gotta be in his body I wouldn't want it no but would you take that body and then make it fit nah his genetics fucked up you think so oh man nah no let me tell you something you pull up You might have fat genetics nah it's just it's just I wouldn't even want I like I wouldn't want to trade my I built this health already I built this that's like that's like you know what that's like saying you took something and you built it all around and somebody's like oh let me just take yours no I built this to make this like yeah for me it's like I I I I could never let myself get to that point so I don't want to try to get away from that point. Well what I'm saying is that if if if if a if a dude pulled up he got millions he's Rick Ross he's but you know what I'm saying and he's fat or whatever and he pulls up which and they say yo you could trade and you could just but you gotta be unhealthy and you gotta be fat but you could have all his riches no it's not about the money I go I wouldn't do it. Because I would I'll feel I feel disgusting bro so here's the problem slugging so they so then why do we idolize that it's money man m money money makes life it does a lot no listen money is a tool that's all it is we should if we look at it like something that's like freaking like we idolizing it remember it's just at the end of the piece of paper because when we go up there you know I'm saying money ain't gonna matter you're right you know I'm saying so why am I gonna idolize that I should idolize I check this out right I'm gonna go biblical a little bit I'm going more into that but like okay so we're this right here our life this this body is a is what is it called gift it's a gift right now when somebody gives you a gift what you gonna do to the gift you treat it well of course right if I give you something you need to take care of it so if you're not taking care of the gift that I gave you what are you doing? Existing that's what you're doing but that's not the point. I know because this this is a gift The gift is you have this body, you have this life, take care of it. So why am I not gonna take care of the gift that God gave me? This right here is an all gift. So if you're fat, I'm sorry, but you're fat.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you gotta get together. You ain't taking care of it. You gotta get together. You gotta get it together. And it's okay, like we said before, like I'm happy to see you guys in the gym.
SPEAKER_01I'm not playing nobody. All I'm saying is that at the end of this all, if you're not doing nothing to help yourself, then it's a problem. Or if you have a medical issue, then I can understand. Either it's a medical thing with something that you can't do it, or or or you, or you just, you know, I don't even know.
SPEAKER_00Nah, there's no excuses. I at the end of the day, it is what it is. There's no excuse, bro. Even if you have a medical condition, I get it. Even if you're on mobile, like you can control how much food you eat.
SPEAKER_01And you know, you know, you know what the real part. You know what the real crazy part is, man? There's somebody right now, right? You have this gift of life, and there's somebody right now that may be going fighting for their life because they got some kind of disease or this and that, and you have the opportunity to help yourself be the best version of you, and you're not even taking advantage of that. You just gonna eat that goddamn Popeyes. You just gonna eat it. You're just gonna keep doing being fat. Yeah. I don't, and then then you can then you wanna have flash money like that's gonna really mean something to anybody that really is fit. Because when you pull up and you're fat, for me, you don't even count. I don't even count. No, for sure, but I don't even bro, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00But how do you answer the average woman being like, yo, that's money man, like they like money man.
SPEAKER_01But see, here's the thing, right? Okay, so we talk, I so here's another thing, right? So the lions, right? I don't know if I brought this point up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you did.
SPEAKER_01I did, right?
SPEAKER_00Go ahead, go ahead. Say if we didn't see it.
SPEAKER_01So the lion. We both know when that lion goes out, the female, she goes out, yeah, and she's looking for a mate. She doesn't look for the mate, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, see, it's in the it's in the it's in the wild, right? The mate that she looked for is the strongest, most reliable protector that she can find. Yeah, that's the mate that she goes after, okay?
SPEAKER_00The aggressor. Yeah, the aggressor.
SPEAKER_01No, but she wants to, his mane is big, he looks healthy, he looks strong. That's the one she wants to mate with. So why wouldn't females think about it like that, opposed to saying about some piece of paper that ain't gonna really matter when it comes down to really what happens? Like, like here's this, right? If you don't get with a dude that's fit or workout or takes his you know health serious, later on you're gonna be wiping his ass.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you're gonna be taking care of him number one.
SPEAKER_01So then why wouldn't you get the most healthiest, strongest one you could find to mate with, opposed to mating with a fucking person that just got.
SPEAKER_00They may not care about that. That's the issue with that.
SPEAKER_01You're not caring about it now. See, fitness ain't about now. Fitness is about later on.
SPEAKER_00So I don't think a lot of you guys have you gotta say that again because I don't think a lot of people understand, like, we do fitness now is not because we want to do fitness now. We do fitness now because we want the longevity of life.
SPEAKER_01Like people think that we just do it just because we want to look good.
SPEAKER_00Of course, that comes with it. But the more muscle we have in our body, our body, the less health issues we have, the less disease, think about it. That cancer can be everything, everything.
SPEAKER_01Bro, a lot. The reason why, think about this. This is the crazy part. The muscle mass is the reason why we're able to fight off these things, right? We are strong enough to walk around. That's why you got, say, like an 80-year-old or whatever, right? If you don't work out, those bones are brittle. You don't have no muscle mass. So when you fall, you break a hip. You do all of these because you don't have muscle mass. Now, when you have muscle mass, an 80-year-old can walk around and still be chilling, doing push-ups, pull-ups. They're gonna be walking laps around you. And guess what? That money ain't gonna matter. Not at all. That money's not gonna matter, so why wouldn't you take this thing serious? Your dumbass is thinking about something that is a short-term change.
SPEAKER_00Short term for sure. 100% not even the reality later on. Nah, but like you said, like they the average person, especially when it comes to like we spoke about this off camera about finance. The average person that's not thinking about 30 years down the line. Yeah. What's now, what's going on now, what's five years, what's one year down the line? I'm worried about now, I'm worried about now, I'm never worried about my money now. I'm worried about spending my money, I'm worried about eating all the good food now. When 30 years comes down, if I'm sick, I'll figure it out when I get to it because it's medication. I think they just want the easy route to life. Because everybody is all like we said this before, everybody's all about the microwave. Like they want stuff ready in 30 seconds. It has to be done now. They're not waiting 30 years down the line.
SPEAKER_01And remember, so like you that was a point because you said, Oh, I'll just wait till later on. I'll just take a medication. Bro, that medication doesn't make you better. That's just to keep you just maintaining life.
SPEAKER_00That's it.
SPEAKER_01So why would I even want to look forward to that shit if I can control that right now by my actions now or what I do for myself?
SPEAKER_00Because this might be this might be something you don't want to do, or it's too hard. That's what I think about. I think about it's like Do you want to come to the gym and put that work in?
SPEAKER_01I get it, but you know what's hard? Having having somebody freaking wipe your ass.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, having a having a homemade wipe your butt. You know, you're not. Take your wee wee and peef.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know what's hard? You you you your heart's not strong enough or this ain't strong enough because you weren't working your heart all of these years and you didn't do anything to help yourself. That's what's hard, bro. You you could choose your heart. You know what I'm saying? Choose it. You want to play around, be fat, have a lamp. Look, you know what else is crazy to me? I'll be seeing dudes, they'll go and have some fly car, but you fat, but you won't pay a trainer to help you.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, they won't spend money on health, but they'll spend money on that's crazy shit, bro.
SPEAKER_01You know, you're not even gonna try to help yourself, but you're gonna get ahead and put it into this car. What the hell is that?
SPEAKER_00You know how it is. No, no, no, I get it.
SPEAKER_01But we that's the point of what we're talking about here is that we want to educate people to say, dude, let's think about the later on and a bigger picture. Fuck the little shit that we think we happy about now. Two that same car is gonna be old in two, three years, and it's something new. Fuck new. We only get one body. Why don't we take care of the shit that we know that we need for life? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, this gotta be number one. Forget the car, like, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00This is number one. I'm gonna go a little left turn, a little soft. Unless we think about episode of Black Mirror, Black Mirror, a Netflix show. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Netflix show, this episode was based off of when we get older, we our minds get put up in a machine, so we never die. So unless we can just get put in a machine at some point in life where I get to 80 and before my body starts breaking down, you can come visit me in a video game. I'll do something like that.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yo, is it's just things that people are thinking about that might be in the future, but yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Putting your mind in a in something else. And then you still existing, but your body is not with us anymore.
SPEAKER_01That's some crazy joy.
SPEAKER_00It's some crazy joy, bro. Yeah, they're gonna do it, they're gonna find something to do somehow. But until then, until then, get your body right.
SPEAKER_01Take your ass into you work out.
SPEAKER_00Until then, get your body right, get your head right. Use the gym for it for a place to escape from the real world if you actually need that. Yeah. Like we said, like I really look at gym as my mental relief from the world. It's because I do it in the morning, like I said, it's just my peace. Sometimes I listen to music, sometimes I listen to a podcast. It's just my my zen. And I'm I'm in this headspace where I personally don't like to really talk in the gym.
SPEAKER_01I know I know I be going out or going in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, now I'm just kind of just I just I'm tunnel vision. I like to go in, zone out, do my cardio, watch my shows, and then now my now my day starts when I get home. Now I gotta talk. Because I have to, I always I I heard this in the past, but I need to save a little bit of words for when I get home in a sense where when I get to work, don't over chat because I'm not gonna have enough words to come home and chat to my wife. Because the energy won't be there. So I gotta minimize as many words throughout the day as possible to make sure I have conversation left for my wife when I get home at six, seven o'clock at night. Yeah. Because if I'm over talking in the morning, over talking at work, I'm gonna be drained. I know myself. And I heard and I heard somebody say this, and I'm like, that is so true. Because the days that I'm like annoyed at work and phone calls coming in, and I've talked to too many people, I come home, I don't want to talk to you no more. I've talked too much for you today. I'm done, and it's a head thing that you have to really think about.
SPEAKER_01No, no, that's good though. I I I get it, man. Moral of the story is take your ass to the gym, man.
SPEAKER_00Take it to the gym. Just use it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Whatever don't don't play with this thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like whatever you might need to use to help yourself clear your head, whatever, and talk to people. Like you said before, we spoke about it. Men, females, anyone struggling, like get help. Like, talk to somebody.
SPEAKER_01The basic thing, this is the this the if you want to be fit, get around some fit people. You know what I'm saying? You you want to be better with something, you want to get better with finances, talk, talk to your people about finances so you can try to level yourself up. Yeah, we don't all got it together, bro. This is why I could even come to you up, like, yo, Casey, so what you got going on with that? Low, let me know about it because I I want to see if I could, you know, learn from that or I could find something I could tell you. And it's something that you may do. I and I I really have to understand this. Something I may do, something on a normal basis that's normal to me, but it's not normal. It may be new to somebody else. 100%. Like, and you like, dang, but I've been doing this. I thought this, no, I thought everybody knew about this. They like, nah, I didn't know. Nah. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I I'm so open and humble enough to be like, yo, let me listen to what you got to say. Some people ain't humble enough, they think they got it together. We ain't all got it together. I'm still learning right now.
SPEAKER_00No, we all gotta learn from um people around us. That's it. Nah, I'm still learning. We gotta learn. I'm still learning, bro. Yeah, we all gotta learn. It's not gonna be a day I'm not gonna stop learning.
SPEAKER_01No, we stop that's when we stop growing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's when we stop growing, guys. So for everybody who's listening, watching, appreciate you. Um, yeah, hope you enjoyed the conversation and we'll see you in the next one. Well.