They Stayed Home for 15 Years… Then Built a Beauty Brand That Changed Everything

What happens when two women spend 15 years raising their families and then decide it's time to reinvent themselves?

In this inspiring episode of The Midlife Tea, we sit down with the powerhouse co-founders of EpicLight Beauty, who prove that your next chapter can be your most exciting one yet.

We dive into the realities of starting over in midlife, building a business from the ground up, navigating friendship and partnership, balancing family and ambition, and embracing aging with confidence instead of fear.

Whether you're dreaming of launching a business, searching for purpose after the kids are grown, or wondering if it's too late to create something extraordinary, this conversation will leave you motivated, empowered, and ready to take your next step.

☕ In this episode:
• Reinventing yourself after years as a stay-at-home mom
• Building a successful company in midlife
• The power of female friendship and partnership
• Confidence, aging, and redefining beauty
• Family, identity, and finding balance
• Why it's never too late to start again

If you've ever felt like your best years are behind you, this episode is your reminder that they may actually be just beginning.

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Transcript

Tina 0:00

Today's episode is incredibly special because we are sitting down with a woman who is not only redefining beauty in midlife, but she is redefining what reinvention looks like after 40. I want to introduce Simon Rather, a co-founder of Epic Light Beauty, a revolutionary beauty brand created specifically for women over 40 and beyond. But what makes Simon's stories so inspiring is that she didn't come from the beauty industry at all. Simon built an impressive career in finance and banking by working with other powerhouse companies like JP Morgan, Barbara Chase, and Key Bank. She earned her MBA in finance and accounting from the University of Rochester and spent years succeeding in a world traditionally dominated by men. After spending 10 years in the financial industry, Simon stepped away from her career to become a stay-at-home mom for 15 years. In 2007, Simon met Patricia, her co-founder, as mums at their children's school. And over the years I heard their friendship grew through motherhood, life changes, and the shared realization that women over 40 were becoming invisible in industries that were supposed to serve them, especially beauty. Instead of accepting that narrative, they decided to change it. What I love most about Simon's story about where she proves that reinvention does not aspire with age. She launched this company in her late 40s after raising children, building a successful career, and stepping into an entire new industry with courage, purpose, and vision. And honestly, this is the kind of energy we need more of in this world.

Manel 1:40

Today's conversation is bigger than beauty. This is about confidence after 40, reinvention after motherhood, and building something meaningful later in life. Taking risks when the world tells women to stay comfortable and learning that our powerful chapter may actually begin in midlife.

Tina 1:58

Hi, Saima. Hi Tina. We are so glad you're here today. We have a lot of things we want to cover, so let's get started.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Great. I'm really excited to be here. We're so honored to have you. Well, thank you for having me.

Manel 2:10

Entrepreneurship after 40. What is it like launching a new company later in life?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Well, I'll have to say it's very um exciting. It's very scary. Um, I have to tell you that sometimes you don't know what you're doing. But I I think as we get older, there's a sort of confidence that we have that we didn't have when we were younger. And so that sort of helps when you're launching a company later in life. Because if you fail, you know that everything's gonna work out because of based on you know previous experiences.

Manel 2:52

You don't fall apart basically.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

We know that we're more secure in life, right?

Tina 2:56

Yeah, and you've realized life does go on.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Exactly. I mean, what's the worst that can happen, right? And so that's what we always it's like the fear of failure prevents a lot of us from doing what we want. But I think as you get older, you have like, I don't know, you just develop this confidence and you just wake up one day and you know, you just kind of try and do it.

Tina 3:17

It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 3:18

It really is liberating it is for sure.

Tina 3:21

So why do you think that women over 40 make incredible entrepreneurs?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Well, I think, especially now, what I found was hard is when you take some time off of work, it's really hard to go back after you spent like maybe 10, 15 years raising your children. So I think more, more and more women are deciding well, instead of like trying to get back into the workforce, why don't I start my own company and I have more autonomy because our schedules are never going to be nine to five. You know, no matter what age your children are, you still need they still need you. So you need to build in a very flexible work schedule. So I think women realize that owning your own company or doing something on your own affords you that flexibility.

Tina 4:12

Right. And it's such a wonderful thing to have. Exactly. And to just to have something of your own.

Manel 4:17

Yes, 100%. So how does it feel like the taking that risk after being a mother and then also also having such an amazing career, starting this new project?

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Well, it was really scary when we first started our company because it was an unknown. It was something that, you know, I didn't come from a beauty background. My co-founder did. So she had the knowledge base and the skill set to actually, you know, know exactly how to launch a company. I had the financial skill set to say, okay, we can look at numbers and we can do this. But again, we're entering an industry where we had no prior background. So that was scary in itself. And I remember going to our first um beauty show and we didn't know anything we were doing really, and doing our first pop-up. And so it was, it was, you know, it felt like a risk, but at the same time, again, you just have this built-in confidence as you get older. So we'll make it work. And we made a ton of mistakes. I'm not gonna lie. Like we made so many mistakes launching the business. Exactly. But it was it was fun along the way, and I don't even know if I consider it a risk. It was just something really fun to do, and it was really enjoyable.

Manel 5:42

That's wonderful. Beginning, yeah. That's really it's that's that's what it we take that risk factor, and I think it's just living after 40 and taking risks is a little bit better for us than like as younger people, we know it's if you fail, like you said, you made a ton of mistakes, but it's it's amazing, like that whole process of learning along the way is so much fun. Exactly.

Tina 6:02

So, how do you think so? If there's women who are in the position now where they're wanting to start a career in midlife or, you know, open a business, how do you think that they can overcome fear and self-doubt and feeling like there may be an imposter in an industry that they haven't been in before? You know, like you, that, you know, beauty was not an area that you'd been in previously. So, how do they get over these feelings?

SPEAKER_02 6:28

So I think what I would do is if I was a woman looking to get back and look trying to figure out what I wanted to do, what my next step would be, would be to join local organizations that um, and there's a ton around, you just have to look, you know, in your area that you live in, um, that bring women together. And you can meet other women who are either female founders or working in the corporate world again, but they have more flexibility because they found that perfect job that suits them for their particular lifestyle. And the more you network with other women, the more you can kind of figure out where which direction do you want to go into? And it can even be, you know, local PTAs. It doesn't even have to be something intimidating. It can just be just starting small and get a feel. Like I didn't know what career paths other women had until I would meet people at like my local PTA meeting, and I was like, oh wow, that's interesting. You work for Estee Lauder in merchandising. I had no idea, you know, what she did because that wasn't my background. So I think that's that's probably where I would start.

Tina 7:39

So you're saying even if you haven't decided what field you want to go into or what career path, it's still good to go to these types of places and and meet other women and get ideas. Yeah. You know, there's a ton of networking events. Right. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yes. I it's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. It is.

Manel 7:58

And there's also organizations like you said, that those organizations of women that haven't been in business prior to this, there's got people that will guide you that have the experience back so you can get that support system from that.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

And even post-COVID, everything's on Zoom. So you can find a ton of information online as well. And there's, you know, when we first started out, um, we would attend these meetings by Beauty Independent. It's an independent publishing, uh, I guess you could say indie magazine for uh beauty brands. And before we even launched our our uh beauty brand, we would look and see how other people were doing it through these Zoom calls that they would host. And they would have different speakers come and talk about their path and what they did. So that was very informative. It's very good.

Manel 8:47

It's great. Um, let me ask you with your financial background, how important is it for women for their to manage or learn their finances and manage their own finances for women?

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Yeah, I mean, that's a topic I think most women try to. I don't know why we shy away from it. And I know I did for sure. Um, I think you're just so busy, you know, managing the house or managing the kids, or even if you are working and managing the kids. And, you know, we when we meet up, it's not like we're talking about what stock did you invest in, and you know, what's the market looking? And I mean, men do that all the time when they're sitting and chatting, but women don't tend to do that. So I feel like we need to have more conversations, and you know, I think it's, you know, it's just something that we should be more aware of.

Tina 9:37

How do women like there's a lot of women who have been in marriages or relationships, and the husband has sort of taken over all the finances, and and then suddenly maybe they're on their own or they're starting their own business or they're not in that relationship any longer, and they actually don't know how to start and where to start. Where can they start learning about how to take control of their finances and where they should be investing and and and all these things? Where where can they find this information out from?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

So I think again, I would go back to these platforms that are either online that you know it's there's tons of women offering their services. You know, they used to be um accountants, CPAs, you know, money managers, and they're all online right now, and they're willing to help other women make that next step. So that's why I think it's very important um to have that type of network in your life and and start from there.

Manel 10:39

So right now, like we're you know, we're over 40s, but so why does society, particularly women over 40 and 50, um tell women to shrink? And what can we do about that?

Tina 10:52

Like, how do we reject it?

Manel 10:54

How do we reject it?

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah, I again it's sort of like a lot of self-reflection, I feel, because that's what we found when we first launched Epic Light. We were like, okay, there's a lot of beauty brands. Why are we gonna be different? Like, what's what are we gonna do? And we realized a lot of the advertising and promotions a lot of the beauty brands had were geared towards women in their 20s. And there's a whole group of women, 35, 40, older, have more spending power than the the younger counterparts. Um, and no one's marketing to them. And so I feel like and I think companies are becoming more aware of that too now. So we think there is more awareness, excuse me, um, around that issue. And we're not shrinking anymore. I think we're we're actually more focus is on us right now because we are getting older and we don't look like we're 80. I mean, we're still like in our 40s and 50s, we still look young. We like to, you know, look beautiful and you know, like the latest fashion. I don't think we're shrinking. I think that we are definitely evolving stronger.

Tina 12:12

I know it's I've seen a huge change recently in the marketing and advertising that's out there. They're really gearing it more towards, you know, women our age. And so they should. Like you specifically with the makeup industry, you know, your products are geared towards women over 40. And we do. The makeup that I wore at 20 is not what I need now at this age. My skin is very different. I can't wear all the matte products. I need more cream, I need more glow. Exactly. Uh, so I I think it's fabulous that you have this brand and that you are gearing it, you know, towards us more mature ladies, as they like to call us.

Manel 12:52

Like you said, like the spending power now, it's like 65% of the women out there that are buying right now are midlife, classified as midlife. Right. So the fashion industry is waking up to that too, and the makeup industry, hopefully, you know, they'll take your lead because it is very important for us. Yes, I agree.

Tina 13:10

And why do you think personally that midlife can become such a powerful era for women?

SPEAKER_02 13:19

And I I think again, you know, you spend your 20s like worrying what everybody thinks about you. Then in your 30s, you get married and you have children, and then your focus is on your children. And then they get up, they, you know, get older and they move out of the house and they're living their own lives. And then I think some women tend to feel lost, like, oh my God, what do I do now? And I think instead of, and I feel like more women are now excited to when their kids are leaving to go to college because they get their life back. And so now they're refocusing on themselves, and now they're, you know, they can work out and they can take care of their bodies now, and they can do travel with their girlfriends, they can play mahjong, they can like do you know, all these exciting things. And so I think there's like a rebirth of a woman when their kids leave the house and they get older.

Tina 14:15

Great, great word, rebirth. I love that. Well, I think for so many years, too, we've all been told that, you know, after menopause are at a certain age, we're supposed to just shrink and hide. And you know, when women are really changing that narrative now, they're coming out and they're saying, No, I want more for my life. And they're becoming more confident, they're becoming more sure of themselves, and and and they realize that you know, life is not over, and this can be become the most wonderful time of their lives for them. Exactly.

Manel 14:44

What would you suggest for women to prioritize themselves without feeling guilty? Because that's the whole thing. People women have learned to be selfless and get, you know, once you're a a mom and you want to give everything, and then now it's you're turning everything back on you, and you still have that guilt feeling, like you you're so giving, but you you don't want to prioritize yourself first.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Yeah. Well, I think to reframe it, I think as we're getting older, you actually want to become healthier and spend more time on yourselves because you don't want to be a burden on your children, right? So I think there's almost a rethinking about it's not really being selfish because it, you know, the saying, take care of yourself first so you can take care of others, right? Yes. And I think our generation is doing a much better job than maybe our parents' generation or mother's generation. I think we really feel that, you know, and also I think there's more knowledge now in terms of, you know, what we can do to improve ourselves. There's more supplements available. There's, you know, the makeup is different, the skin care is different. You know, we know what's bad for our bodies now. And before we didn't look at ingredients and toxins that were in our makeup and our hair care and what we were eating. And so I think because as a society we're more knowledgeable, that is also helping us feel better. And again, I I don't know if you would want to feel guilty. I think it's just more, you know, you have to take care of yourself.

Tina 16:25

Put yourself first. Exactly. Which, you know, a lot of women haven't done for a very long time. Yeah. You know. So I want to ask you, you started, you know, your your business, Epic Light Beauty, and you started that with a friend. What was it like building a business, you know, through friendship?

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Um, it was we have a lot of fun doing it, you know, and and I think because we bring our individual skill set, there's no overlap. So I learn from Patricia and Patricia learns for me. So I think there's that joint um, I guess, co-work. We work well together. And um our ideas, we just it all flows. I it's hard to explain, but the synergy is there. And, you know, having years of friendship obviously helps because you get to know their personalities. And it's probably not for everybody because I hear like different stories from a lot of people, but for us, it actually, you know, I think we feel blessed that we do have a really good working relationship.

Manel 17:29

Yeah, it's really, very lucky because and that's like us too, with our relationship. When we started, we've had a long friendship and it works well because, like you said, like our my weakness is her strength, and her strength, you know, so it works, it it is. You're very, we're very blessed. Everybody's like, if you work well together, it's great. Yes. Um, how important is it to have like a female support system around you?

SPEAKER_02 17:52

It's so amazing, I will tell you. You know, when we first started our brand, I think all of our friends were excited for us, our family members were excited for us. Um, you know, everyone just wanted to help, you know, especially with PR, with marketing. Our budget was really small in the beginning. So it was word of mouth. So I think it was always females that we met in our lives that would give us that opportunity, you know, to be meeting people who were in, you know, to helping us promote our products, whether, you know, it got us into People Magazine, it got us into the Oscar Goody Bag, the Grammy Goody Bag, it was all through our female connections.

Tina 18:37

That's amazing. Wonderful. I love to hear that. Females supporting females. Yes. Huge, huge network out there. Yeah, and we have to do that. It's so important. Exactly. So, how do you balance motherhood and marriage and ambition?

SPEAKER_02 18:53

So, I think the way I balance it, it's it's gotten easier for me now that both my kids are in college. Um the work-life balance is just mainly me taking care of myself and focusing maybe 80% on my brand. And I think maybe my husband has gotten the raw end of the deal right now. But he's very supportive and loves that I'm building this brand, this company. And you know, he's super supportive. So I think that support of your kids and your husband really uh makes a huge difference, and they're my number one fan.

Manel 19:32

How do women rediscover their identity after raising children and kind of like building something from scratch, basically?

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Yeah. You know, I think it just takes actually just jumping in because it took me a while from when we first started. I had a ton of self-doubt. I'm not gonna lie, a ton of self-doubt. Like, what am I doing? This is crazy. I'm too old to do this. You know, I should just try to find something else that, you know, you know, be a little bit easier. And I think what I found is I've been spending more time building this company that we're doing than I did probably working a nine to five job because it doesn't stop. It just it could be, I could be working at night or I could be working during the day. And so this time though, the self-doubt actually made me want to achieve more, if that makes sense. So I think you do eventually get to that point where you do feel comfortable.

Manel 20:36

It's basically like raising another child that you're creating, you've created something, you've gave birth to it, and it's it's coming and it's yeah. So you're just kind of pushing through the self-doubt.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yes, you have to. Otherwise, you just I mean, we have self-doubt. I when my first when my daughter was born, I didn't know what I was doing. Nobody did. I was like, oh my God, like it's crazy. So it's sort of the same thing.

Tina 20:58

You started this beauty brand, and it's specifically for women over 40. So why do you think it's important that we do have different makeup products than what you know is geared towards 20-year-olds at this age?

SPEAKER_02 21:12

That's a good question. So we we founded Epic Light because we realized that there was this white space in the market that was not gearing towards women who were over 40. And our skin's changing now. And we cannot put the same makeup on that we did when we were in our 20s, even 30s. And so we wanted to develop a line that had skincare products infused in your makeup that actually benefit your skin while you're wearing your makeup. Uh, so that's that's how we developed the that was our ethos for developing all of our products. So, for example, like our blush, our glow gel, our lip tints, they all have collagen, peptides, hyaluronic acid. It, avocado oil, sea fennel, all these natural ingredients that are benefiting your skin while you're wearing it. So, you know, it decreases any wrinkles you might have, increases the plumpness of your skin. So, you know, those are the products that we need when we get older because our skin is evolving and we need to change our makeup and the way we wear makeup as we get older. And so that was the thought process behind it.

Tina 22:29

We definitely need more from our products now at this age. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

And you know, and I have a 22-year-old daughter who will also wear my makeup as well. But because now I think it starts younger, people are understanding what they're putting on their makeup as well. So, you know, that's important to note, like a little footnote that, you know, in general, I think women are understanding we can't just put anything on our body.

Tina 22:58

Right. I I know I I have a daughter as well, and she's, you know, very aware of the products that are the brand in the brands that she's using and what she's putting on her skin. Which, you know, I have to admit, when I was 20 years old, I was just wearing what was popular and looked good. I certainly wasn't looking at the ingredient list. So it's, you know, fabulous that that they're doing that now and that they are becoming aware and how it, you know, those ingredients in certain products can affect you hormonally, etc. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Manel 23:30

Yeah. So with with the specific products that you do have in your um your your product line, your skin line, how did you develop that? How did that come about? Like to say that those specific things are what is needed for women, older women?

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Right. So going back to when we were first developing and we had the idea of starting a beauty brand, you know, there's a lot of um things that we had to take under consideration. For example, we had a very small budget. And so in the beauty industry, there's minimum order quantities. So when you work with labs and you're working with packaging, you know, you have to like the minimum order can be 10,000 per unit, right? And so we ended up getting lucky that we were able to lower the minimum order quantities and develop our first product, which was a blush. And we knew that we wanted something that was multitasking to be our first product. So you could use it on your cheeks, eyes, and lips. And we formulated the shades. It took us two years to develop the first product before we even launched the brand. And we knew it had to be inclusive of all skin, skin tones, and skin shades. So that's why it took us a very long time to develop the first one. Um, and they always say the first one's the hardest. Uh, so that was um, that's what we did for the blush. And we infused it with skincare ingredients because we're like, okay, well, anybody can produce a blush, but we wanted something that would actually work with decreasing fine lines and it doesn't look cakey on your skin. And you know, anybody can use any of the shades. So that was the thought behind that product.

Tina 25:17

That's what I love about your blush too, is the texture of it. You know, and it's great because I use it when I'm in a hurry. I can put it on my one product, and if I don't have time and I'm running out the door, and I've actually done it sometimes when I'm sitting in the car, exactly. And I'll put it on my lips, like you said, limbs and my blush, my cheeks, and I'll put it on my eyes. And it and it actually looks it looks great. Yeah, and it's very smooth, makes it so easy.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah, thank you.

Tina 25:41

Rather than trying to get, you know, exactly three products on when you're in the car trying to get somewhere in a house.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Exactly. We call it like the five-minute face, you know. So you put the blush on, then you put the lip, the lip tint on, and then we have this amazing glow gel. You know, it's just like illuminizing glow gel. You just put it all over your face. You can mix it with your moisturizer, mix it with your foundation, you know, just have fun with it. And also you want to have fun with your makeup.

Tina 26:06

Well, that's what we're all looking for at this age, too.

Manel 26:08

The same thing. Yeah, the glow because the dullness in our skin that's come down, like you and most of the like the powder products just kind of sit on and then accentuate, accentuate the lines, and it's just it's horrible. But I love like and I do use the blush, it's fantastic. I love it, and I lose the the glow, the like the bronzer. Yes, amazing. I love that. It makes you look like it's like a sun kiss.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Exactly. We all want that glow. That glow.

Tina 26:37

So, woman over 40, what ingredients should they actually be looking for in their products?

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Well, first of all, you want clean, you know, you want to look for, you know, sulfate free, um, paraben-free. You want to look for, you know, just very clean ingredients. Uh, no like red dyes or talc powder or any of that stuff. And you want to look for products that have peptides and collagen and hyaluronic acid and you know, things that are actually going to plump up your skin.

Manel 27:12

What about like there's a lot of everything is anti-aging this and anti-aging that on the market? Everybody's that's like the the go-to line or slow words. So sometimes it can be damaging for women to just look for just any kind of product that just has that specific like terminology, anti-aging, but it's not specifically made for them. So, what do you think about that? Like you saying that these are specific things that you should be looking for.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

So, I mean, I you know, it's funny because I think everybody tries to label everything. So is it anti-aging? Is it, you know, and sometimes, you know, you don't really like the word aging because that makes it seem like you're getting older. Yes. So, you know, like so we like to say your skin's evolving, right? And I think you just have to be like, there's a ton of products, and I think you have to educate yourself on what product works for you individually. Like I know certain ingredients will cause me to have a reaction. So you do have to be careful. Obviously, consult your dermatologist or you know, any other skincare professional before you, you know, get the products that have all these anti-aging ingredients in it. So that's what I would do, first of all. Um and and that's again, you want to build trust within your brand. And that's what we've tried to do as well. I feel like I'm the best person to test products on because my skin reacts to everything. So I feel like I'm the perfect person. But we do have our focus groups and we make sure that, you know, it's we we actually are putting ingredients in that can benefit the skin and not just saying it, you know. Right. Um, like our lip has matrixole and germaxol. And so, you know, they're we've had studies done on those two ingredients, so you know that they are effective.

Tina 29:08

For women over 40, what mistakes do you think they're making with makeup?

SPEAKER_02 29:12

I don't want to say everyone's making a mistake because you do learn. I think you need to just realize that, you know, you have you can't put too much makeup on. I think it it actually does the reverse effect and can make you look older. I think you keep it simple. You keep like your four or five staple products, like you want to do like a skin tint or a skin moisturizer, a light foundation. You want to keep it, you know, glowy and and and fresh, mascara, of course, eyeliner, eyebrow pencil, just keep the basics, lip liner, lipsticks, all of that. You don't need a hundred different products, you know, and I think you have to keep it simple and and and the less is more.

Tina 29:59

Right. And also I've found that I've got older, I've stopped, as I said before, using all these matte products. You know, I've stopped using the powder. Uh, I've even gone on to a cream blush rather than a powder brush. Exactly. Just uh all these things to help, you know, give us more of a glow. And my skin is already looking a lot more dull as I've I've matured, so I don't need anything to make it look even more so.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yes, definitely stay away from matte products. Definitely. You want like a water-based or you know, and there's healthier oils out now as well. So you shouldn't shy away from the product says it has oil in it because it's more of those oils that are like, you know, beneficial to your skin. Nourishing oils. Exactly. Like our blush has avocado oil and c fennol and hyaluronic acid. So that it doesn't, it gives you that nice texture.

Tina 30:49

Sama, what would you tell women who feel it's too late? Too late to start a career, or you know, too late to change a career at this stage of their life. What would you want to tell them?

SPEAKER_02 31:02

I would say it's never too late to start a career. I'm in my early 50s and we are having more fun, you know, thinking of new products to launch, and we go to different events, and I feel like I'm having the most exciting time in my life right now. My kids are older, we get to experience, you know, changes in their lives as well. And I think it's just a very exciting time for women in their midlife, I guess. And I think I just go for it. Just keep, just be positive, don't think negatively, and just go for it.

Tina 31:39

And I think the thing is not being afraid as well. I think that's what holds so many of us women back is that we're scared of, you know, fear of failure. And it's just sort of have the the courage to go out and to to to start a new career or to change a career. Uh I think is it's a wonderful thing.

Manel 32:01

I think it's very important because it's like we said before, um, when we get older, uh the fear of failure, uh you just start all over again. We understand that as as we're younger, we're the fear of failure is very you're hesitant to try and you just don't do anything. So I I think what for one thing would you like to say to uh what legacy would you like to leave?

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Boy, that's a big question. I want my children to be proud of me. I want them to look up to me and say, wow, you know, she gave up her career to raise us, but now she is basically reinventing herself and doing something exciting and doing it for her. Like I'm I'm actually doing it for myself as well. And I have a great co-founder, and we're doing amazing things. And I want my children to see that you can reinvent yourself at any age, at any stage in your life, and it's not over at all. Like, even if they make the wrong career path, it's okay. They can start over and they can, you know, do it again, do something else.

Manel 33:12

I think it's very important for women to realize that it's not too late in your 40s to reinvent yourself. And also, like you said, I think we're doing this for ourselves also, but also our children to see that we're not done with life. We are just start getting started for ourselves because I don't want to be home. I want to reinvent myself after having stayed home for them for 20 years. And this is very important to show them that women have strength, no matter what age. Yeah.

Tina 33:45

I never realized actually when I was younger just how powerful this time could be for us. And it's actually really exciting. It really is. It's very exciting. Yeah. Well, thank you for joining us today. We have uh, you know, loved having you here and and learning some things about how you started your career and just getting some great tips from you.

Manel 34:05

And if anybody wants to follow you on your website, what's your website and what is your social media?

SPEAKER_02 34:10

I'll make sure. Our website is epiclightbeauty.com and our socials are Epic Light Beauty. Wonderful. Thank you. Thanks for being here today. Thank you for having me.

Manel 34:20

Thank you so much.