The Freakapotamus Podcast

Salute to Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Tha Real Russell

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Welcome to the Freak Apotamus Podcast. You ready for some RB funk? Soul and Prince? Let's go. And now, your host, the real Russell.

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Oh, I'm on.

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What's up, everybody, and welcome back once again to the Freak Eponymus podcast. How's everybody doing today on this hump day? I'm sorry, not hump day. Today's not Wednesday, today's Thursday. This Friday Eve. Friday Jr. Everybody doing alright. Everybody ready some ready for some some RB and some punk and some soul. Specifically the music of Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis. As you all know, tonight's show is gonna be a salute to the dynamic duo, the legendary producers, Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis. Yes, sir. Anyway, this could also turn into a celebration. Uh right now I have 399 subscribers on my YouTube channel. So for those of you who are watching tonight, if you haven't gone over to the YouTube channel and subscribe, hit the subscribe button, please do so. All I need is one person to get to 400. And once I'm at 400, if I'm if I if I hit that tonight during this show, this is a celebration as well. So if you know somebody who would enjoy this uh YouTube channel, this podcast, send them over to YouTube. Ask them to hit the subscribe but subscribe button. Uh if you haven't, head over to YouTube, hit that subscribe button. Also hit the bell uh to get notifications for whenever I drop a new episode. I'm hoping that uh folks will join in tonight. Uh got the uh the the call-in number open. Got the lines open for those who want to call in and say hello, talk about whatever you want to talk about, talk about some jam and lewis. Because tonight it's all about the dynamic duel jam and lewis tonight. Uh we're gonna play some music, we're gonna play some videos, we're gonna tell some stories, and we're just gonna have a good time as we always do. Um for those of you who are in the purple circle, I'm sure you are aware of the uh purple rain house uh Airbnb that's on Snelling Avenue or Snelling Road, Snelling Avenue, Snelling Snelling Drive uh in Minneapolis. Uh they have converted that Purple Rain House uh that was purchased by Prince that was actually in the movie Purple Rain. They've converted it over to an Airbnb, and I'm just blown away um at the at the job that they that they've done. And I am looking forward to uh for the opportunity to hopefully one day stay there. Um but apparently somebody already has. Uh this video that I'm about to show was uh put up by uh Cassie27. Apparently she was fortunate enough to be one of the first ones to stay there. So let's take a look at how this Airbnb turned out. Those of you who don't know this particular house uh is in Minneapolis, it was featured in the movie Purple Rain. And just before Princess Passing, uh he purchased the house, which is now an Airbnb. So let's take a look right there and see what you're in for if you're interested in staying at this air purple Airbnb. Check this out.

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Take a look at that.

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Man, could you imagine staying there? You got artifacts around you, like everything purple related, French related, you wake up and you're in the actual house that was in the movie. Crazy, right? I can only imagine what the what the nightly rates would be, especially during peak time. Peak season. Um nice stuff, man. I really uh I'm really impressed. Really, really impressed. Anyway, that's all of the purple news that I have. Um nothing brewing right now. Still waiting to see what's gonna happen. Um in the upcoming months. If we're gonna get anything, if we're not, if we're gonna get the documentary, are we not? Is somebody else gonna pick it up, or they're not? Is it gonna go away? Is it gonna leak? You know. Curiosity. Anyway, tonight it's all about Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, and a lot of the music that I'm gonna feature tonight is probably gonna take us Gen Xers back to high school. Like the majority of the the stuff that's on the playlist tonight is gonna take you back. I know it's gonna take me back. Every time I listen to this stuff, it definitely takes me back to the 80s, the high school days. And those of you who know the story of Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, how they became who they are, of course, everybody knows they were members of the original time. Jimmy Jam was the keyboard player for the time. Terry Lewis was the bass player. And as we all know, um they were booted from the time by Prince during the 1999 tour.

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Uh they were down in Atlanta uh producing the SOS band, and one of those crazy moments is where Atlanta gets a snowstorm. They got a snowstorm.

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And so Jim G and Terry Lewis they were snowed in while they were in Atlanta producing an ASOS band. Of course, they couldn't make a flight to join the band in Texas for the 1999 tour. And Prince basically had to fill in for the missing parts. He was backstage uh playing bass while Jerome for the first time was out on stage pretending to play the bass. But I have a little video clip of them telling the story from their own mouths. So just check this out, and you'll get a uh a clearer, better understanding of what exactly happened and how they became who they are. Here we go.

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Prince had told us we weren't allowed to produce any outside acts, but we had gotten the gig producing the SOS band in Atlanta. We got caught in a snowstorm down there and missed a gig in San Antonio with the time.

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And of course, Prince comes to meet before the show and says, Jellybean, where's your buddies?

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Prince himself helped cover the Times' missing bandmates playing bass behind the curtains on the side of the stage, as Jerome made his first appearance with an actual instrument out front.

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And so we got to the gig and everything. But last shows everybody's dead attention. You can feel that something's gonna happen after, you know, the tour's over.

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The tour ended, and maybe six weeks later, Terry gets a call from Prince, and Prince goes, Meet me at Sunset Sound at five o'clock. So when we got there, we walk into the room, it's Prince, Morris, Jesse, and then myself and Terry. So we sit down, and Prince just goes, I told you not to produce outside bands. And you guys produce the SOS band. So you're fired. I was like, okay. And I got up and walked out the room.

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And you know, the crazy thing about it is Morris's band, but Prince did the firing.

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I know after that meeting when we got fired, I I know that Morris like just shut down and just disappeared.

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That of course was the turning point of the whole band, and it must have been hard time for Morris, because at this point Prince controlled his life. I mean, imagine what it's like to realize one day that your success is based upon playing a role that Prince wrote for you, just as sure as if he were scripting a film.

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Not long after Prince fired Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, they became big-time producers in their own right, working with artists like Janet Jackson. And Prince, well, he indeed scripted that film. He called it Purple Rain. The character Prince had created could not be bothered to pay attention to the shooting schedule.

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Morris was being very uncooperative during the making of Purple Rain. There were days where he just wouldn't show up. It's not that he couldn't, he just was being an asshole. And of course, Prince was having a fit. But he's trying to make a movie, so he's sending me. Go find Morris.

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So there you have it. Um the story from their own mouths on what really went down when they were terminated when they received the purple hoof.

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Hoof.

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The purple boot. But anyway, I've heard in other interviews that basically the main reason behind that is because Prince really saw their potential and he actually let them go. Uh so they could spread their wings and fly. And fly they certainly did. They came very successful in their own right. Became the greatest uh producing duo probably of all time. Produced I looked at uh the body of their work the other day and I couldn't even finish checking it out because the their body of work is so so large, like I was probably at let's see, I was I was checking out like how many songs that Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis produced and it was beyond a hundred and fifty songs. I was still going, I was still scrolling through to see and I just kept scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, I was like, this is this is a lot because I was trying to form my playlist, right? And so I was picking from this list of like hundreds and hundreds hundreds of songs. Some songs I didn't even realize that they had produced. I mean they produced uh artists that we never even knew that they produced. Like some of the on on um one of the one of the um new kids on the block. Can't remember his name exactly. Uh one of those guys um Mariah Carey, Tony Basil, and some other people that I never even never even knew they'd produce.

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Wow.

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But anyway, we're gonna kick it off tonight with uh a band we all know, specifically from the 80s. We're gonna take it back, you Gen Xers, we're gonna take it back to high school, and we're gonna kick it off with something like this. Produced by Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis.

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Thanks for joining. Tonight is salute Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, legendary producers.

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Alright.

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Human League. Human League. I'm only human. That's right. Anyway. Oh man, that takes me back.

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Takes me back to uh what year did that come out? I want to say 85, 86, something like that.

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Anyway, um as you all know, uh Jimmy Jam worked closely with with Alexander O'Neill.

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Alexander O'Neill was huge in the 80s, and uh those of you in the purple single uh the purple circle may know that Alexander O'Neill was originally chosen to be the lead singer of the time, and Morris Day was chosen to be the drummer for the time. But the story is that Alexander O'Neill was asking Prince for more money, and Prince said, Nope, you're out. Morris, you're the lead singer. And then so Prince brought in Jelly Bean as a drummer. And Morris was like, I don't know how to lead thing, I've never been a front man, I've always been a drummer. I don't know what to do.

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So Prince said, Morris, just put your hand in your pocket and be cool. Keep your hand in your pocket, be cool.

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That's all you gotta do.

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And so that's how Morris became uh lead singer of the time. And eventually uh Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis went to Minneapolis, found Alexander O'Neill, gave him a record deal, and this is what we got. Ladies and gentlemen, some of you guys out there, some of you guys out there might remember this song.

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And then again, some of you might not. Nevertheless, since here we'll sing it for you anyway.

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Oh, yes, ma'am.

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Let's take me back to high school. In high school. In high school, I drove my mother's uh 79 Toyota Corolla. And then for graduation my dad bought me a 77 Dawson B210. And I I put house speakers in the back in the back seat.

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How many of you people out there know what to do when the lights go out at night, that means that?

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And I was jamming this type stuff.

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Look it's funny you said me today. Some of us.

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Right.

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Not all of us mind you, but some of us.

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In high school. I think we all were a lot of us were heavy into the Minneapolis sound because it was so new.

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I mean so different.

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I mean first we had Prince. We had jumped off the shit. In King Vanity Six. In King Proges, Alexonio, Jesse, Sheila, Minneapolis Sound just took off wildfire.

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Oh wow. I know that he has like a little segment on social media.

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Um what is it calling it? You may know what you mean. Alright. Alexander O'Neill. I can imagine what it would have been like if Alexander O'Neill had in fact became the lead singer of the time. I can imagine what that would have been looked like. Show some video footage of uh Jimmy James and Terry Lewis in the studio in the creative process. This was this was back in the eighties. He was uh on a video show with Donnie Simpson, and Donnie Simpson was in the studio with them. Oh Joe. Ready for the World Jeez, I can't see this question. Ready for the World had that sound, yeah. Ready for the World had the Minneapolis sound. A lot of people were trying to imitate the Minneapolis sound. Ready for the World was one of the bands that were doing it with O Sheila and some of the other stuff. And then I don't know if you guys remember a group called um Dream Boy. Dream Boy had uh a couple albums out for a minute. Um let's see what was on the Dream Boy album. Um let's get back to the videos. I'm gonna show some footage of Jimmy Jam actually in the studio. And in this particular video, they're constructing the song Fishnet by Morris Day. And they're kind of dissecting the different sounds that they use to create this song. So let's check that out. Pretty amazing.

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The hi-hat.

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Volume's kind of low on this one.

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Hopefully you can hear it.

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Recognize that beat.

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What we call the room tracks. This makes things sound a little bit even a little bit bigger. Now we're gonna put in Terry Lewis's part as a bass. Now we grew.

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You guys hear that?

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Now we have a size bass on top of his right natural bass. Natural bass is that that's uh bass good talk, bass guitar. Good talk.

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Okay, now we groove, we got the groove going now. So now we're gonna add in some keyboards. You know, those are you know little melody lines. Recognize fishnet. How did you feel it out a thing like that? So basically that's all we're doing. Now, all the controls down here, if I want to turn the mix up, like if I wanna turn the snare drum up, I can just go like that.

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Alright, there you have it. Pretty quick clip. But anyway, since we're on the fishnet tip, let's dig out some fishnet produced by the one and only uh Cam and Lewis and dig it out with some fishnet. Here we go.

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Sing the song, y'all. You gotta help me out. Come on. Here we go, fellas. Say it like this. Black Penny Hood Go to the hose.

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So funky. Keep it all, keep it full, keep it all, keep it going, keep it going, call in number 803-638-8311.

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Those of you who feel like calling in, saying hello, talking about the Jamin Lewis memory.

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Jamin Lewis track Facebook, YouTube, if you're watching, please don't slap me.

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I do not own the right to know this music. Just trying to put on the show. That's a loop.

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Always wanted what it's still like to be.

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Jimmy Jam Cherry Lewis tonight. Talk about your favorite Jimmy Jam Cherry Lewis track. Maybe it's not on the playlist, I can get an offer.

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Any heartbreak out on Stretchita Oh someone else.

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You're fortunate to watch your hand.

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Thanks to you who are joining tonight. Legendary producer Duo. Alright, let's keep it moving. One of the most successful recording artists produced by Xammon Lewis. Not everybody's feeling Janet Jackson right now. But you can't deny it.

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When they produce Janet, that's the I think Jamie Lewis actually produced her last album.

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Didn't do all that great, but it was it was still a good album. You definitely can hear uh their sound in it for sure. I think Jamma Lewis definitely transformed Janet and brought her into the Minneapolis circle and kind of created this Minneapolis type of uh persona for her. As you can see when they were behind her music, uh her personality and persona kinda changed for the better. I mean, remember how Nick and Miles she was before Jamie Lewis? She sort of became a Minneapolis artist under the lead of uh in the production of Jamie Lewis. Remember the control video? Jimmy Jan, Terry Bower, Jerome, Jelly Bean, they're a part of that video. They're in the car, with Janet throwing the chicken bone up on the hood of the car. Remember that? Adding a little comedy flavor to it. I'm James Al. Definitely put the Minneapolis flavor on the gym.

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For sure. You can definitely see it.

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Thanks for joining, Let's see.

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All right. Janet Jackson. Produced by Jamie Lewis. Anyway, I'm gonna throw up another video uh where Jamie Lewis They're actually talking about uh Princess Working Ethics when they were playing for the time. Which is real interesting to me. Uh there was a lesson learned a lot from Princess Working Ethics. Uh in this video he explains Jimmy Jim explains you know why Prince had such a high work ethic when it came to his work, his music, and he saw things in Jim and Lewis that they didn't see in themselves. I'm just gonna play that video and let them tell the story, and we'll come back.

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The work ethic story? It's funny, I could almost demonstrate it, maybe. Let's see. Let's see. Is this up? Okay, so this is not the right sound. But I'll I'll just show you something real quick. So we're just playing 777-9311, right? So let me just show you real quick. So here was my here is my lesson. So I'm at so I'm at rehearsal, and by the way, these are the wrong sounds. So we're playing the song, and Prince goes, I'm going like this, because all I needed to do on 777 was just do a bass line. And all I would do is that's all I would do. And we get done with the song, and Prince goes, Jimmy Jam, what are you doing with your right hand? I said, I'm not doing anything, Prince. I'm just um copying the bass line of the song. You should play the chords that Monty's playing. I said, Monty's already playing the chords, but you gotta play the chords because it makes it bigger. It should sound better than the record. That was the same. Better than the record. Okay, so now I'm playing. So now I'm So I'm thinking, okay, cool, now alright, I can do that. No worries. Jimmy Jam, what note are you singing on the chorus? I'm not singing a two part, Prince, it's like a three part harmony. Terry's got his, and you know, I think Jesse's singing, and Morris. It's that's it. Find a note and sing. It's gotta be bigger than the record. So now I'm saving. Alright, so I'm now I'm like, okay, cool. I can I can hit my note. I can play both my parts. I'm good. Jimmy Jam, how come you're not doing the choreography? Prince. I'm standing at a keyboard, man. I what choreography? Choreography is simple. You should be able to do the choreography. So now I'm like, now, literally, I'm literally sitting now, I'm up there playing. And now I'm trying to I'm trying to hit the little I'm trying to practice and practice and practice and practice. So the very next day, we come back to practice. So we come in. And we come in and we come. So my point is, so the point of the story is I'm now, not only can I do all of those things, I can take my hanky off, I can tip my hat, I can peek over my glasses, I can put my hand in my pocket when I'm not playing. And and the thing was, is that that taught me, it's like you can do a whole lot of stuff you don't even know you can do. But you need to work at it. And I thank Prince for that every single day because I never he saw something in me that I didn't see. He's like, why can't you do it? And I'm going, I can't do that, Prince. And it got to be a habit on on all of the songs, you know. We would always find whatever he told us to do, we'd always then reach for the next thing. And that was why Terry said he created Frankenstein.

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Wow. Wow, wow, wow, yeah.

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He saw things and and people that they didn't see in themselves. And you know, when he uh terminated Jamie Lewis back in the eighties, he actually did those guys uh a huge favor. And uh they were able to spread their wings and fly and became the success that we all know them for. And I'm grateful, man. I mean I look back at it, I'm not complaining at all. Anyway, let's keep it moving with some music tonight. Those of you Gen Xers out there, I'm sure you remember this one.

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Alexander O'Neill.

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Speed back to high school.

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What were you up to when the song was up? The song was up.

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Produced entire album. Jim's for the Jimmy 80s as well.

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We all do. We all do.

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Younger folks do learn about this stuff. Appreciate it.

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Letter from do?

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Yeah, this is when I be with IB. I think my favorite era for IB music in the eighties. I screwed the eighties.

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70s. 70s were too.

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I was a child of the 70s. But I was a teenager in the 80s. So I have great memories. 80 times. Jamie Lewis was definitely a huge part of 80 times. Everybody.

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I mentioned earlier. I went for their body of work.

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Even artists that we weren't aware of the produced. Jordan Knight. New kids on the block. I was trying to remember his name earlier. They actually produced some songs for him.

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You can know that.

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I was just wishing the time with the team. Try to get you this one.

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Alright, Alexander O'Neill, Sherell.

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Saturday Love Live. Yeah, if you get a chance, go check out and Google all of the songs that uh Jam and Lewis produced. If you're interested, you'd be amazed, man. I I was scrolling through and I didn't even finish scrolling, and I was probably at like 150. And the cursor was just gone and gone and gone. I'm like, wow, and then some of the artists that were in the list, like I mentioned, Jordan Knight, um they actually produced Babyface, who is another successful producer in his own right.

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And then I saw some artists like Usher. How many of you knew that this song was produced by Jamal?

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Surprise. This one doesn't really have any answers.

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That's why I told my earth.

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And I was like, I'm not sure if you're not going to be able to do that.

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Are you Usher fans now? We didn't know that Jamie Lewis was behind this track and some other tracks from Usher.

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Alright. Alright, we're gonna come out of that one real quick. Oh wow. This is a fun night, man. I've been looking forward to doing this salute to Jamie Lewis for a while now. I've been wanting to do it. And I finally decided, you know what? We need to give them them props props tonight. They certainly deserve it. They're still out there producing, they're still out there doing their thing, man. Man. Alright, we're gonna take you back. Take you back to uh to the uh to the nineties. To the nineties. Who knew that uh Jamin Lewis produced Michael Jackson? Yeah.

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My bad.

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Eight seven.

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What used to crack me out though? Is when people would get to the Michael Jesse concert and pass out before you actually say or you miss the entire concert.

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You spend all that money waiting in those huge, huge crowd and you pass out within the first minute.

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Can you guess what's coming?

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The stage is ready for access.

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Well, you know what that is, yeah. Raise your hands if you know.

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I am back. Those of you who are still here. Let me know you're still here. This is probably gonna be a separate stream anyway. Um or is it a continuation? Yeah, I think it's a continuation. If anybody can jump down in the chat and let me know if we are back. Oh well. Yeah, I was in the middle of the screen. Got too excited. Drop my wireless mouse, reach down. Of course, when you grab your mouse, it starts clicking stuff that you don't mean to click, and I click myself out of the live stream. I think I'm back.

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If anybody's here, please let me know.

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Let's go back. Late night on your radio. Listen to a quiet smile. Sitting up on the corner.

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I saw everybody with a clean.

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Suppose you fall asleep. One of you goes. You're awake. And you get no answer. You say it again. You're awake. Get no answer, so you hang up.

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You get that call on the next stage.

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Old school, new school. It ain't about deadline forms to the death mummies. It's about what's cool.

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Go there.

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Here we go. Girls that show the five. Don't come back to the juvenile. Just don't waste no time. I'll go twice one. I can be your children daddy. You can be my baby now. This is gonna be the sweetest experience of your life. It's time to party tonight. Oh yeah. How many of you are familiar with this one? Oh you sexy.

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Compilation album.

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I love artists. Come on, drum. Let's get it out.

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Don't come about them. Just don't waste our time. You gotta go up for yourself together. I'm your twilight one.

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Fast four. 1982, 2021.

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Ain't nothing changed but the date. Baby love.

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We're allowed to open up.

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Baby love. Hang out with the bus.

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We're gonna miss the history.

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Jimmy Z and Terry Lewis, they're still close with Morris. You got picture ID. Jelly Bob.

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We gotta go get her home.

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And I'm sure we're still close with Jason as well.

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Let's get it in the food. Let's get it up. You wanna do it all?

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It's time to start this body.

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Smooth dog.

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What we all know from more is what was smooth.

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Check it out. You can be a baby love.

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She's check moin. Come on in here, sexy girl. Baby love. I can hear I can hear. Oh yeah. What's my name? What's my name?

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Come on, we go. Take that out.

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This ain't no elemental thing. It ain't even a college thing. With a free flight. Don't forget. We don't wanna wind up in here with no brownness.

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Welcome.

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Those of you who are joining late. This is a salute to Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis. We've been listening to Legendary Producers.

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Volume one. Jam and Lewis, volume one. Alright.

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Let's keep it moving.

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Taking it back to 1984.

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How many of you remember a group called Change?

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One of the first groups Jamie was produced.

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Remember this in high school?

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Oh my god!

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I got up, change the home, give me back, oh my god, I got up, change the home, oh my god, I got my dumb I got a Jamie Lewis party vibe enough to see Jamie Lewis productions you're around earlier in the show tell the story where they came from, how they started, where they are now, how they got to where they are now the story of them being fired by Prince Getting the purple boot and why I showed videos of Jam Leaders telling the story straight from their own mouth I showed how they construct the song in the studio I showed a video of Jimmy Jim talking about the prince's work ethic and the fact that Prince saw things in Jim newest that they didn't see in themselves covered it all now we're just rabbing out I'm about to be in the beginning for those of you who joining me if you haven't already head over to Facebook and I'm sorry Yeah head over to Facebook as well and I got a Facebook group there on YouTube go to YouTube subscribe I'm at 399 if you subscribe right now you will bring me to 400 and I have a reason to celebrate uh catch me on TikTok Catch me on Instagram Flick the Panama's podcast on all those platforms an early Jamie Lewis sound Welcome those of you who join who are turning late As you can see it's a salute to the legendary Jimmy Jam Channel All right moving through the playlist tonight of Jam and Lewis produced tracks.

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How many of you were Ralph Tresvan fans?

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Come on, Jimmy L it Wall's done Girl, I know it's gonna happen. Since you get away And left you so sad Would you cry a week Make me kiss your tears As I mentioned before? You're an artist And you are fortunate enough to have Jam rills behind your work Don't need a man that You going nowhere but straight to the top Come on to it just watch me I got what you need Don't need a man that treats you funny Well she need a man You need a man alive Someone who can love me Someone who will be Someone who treats you by me girl Someone you can hold it Someone say a life Oh baby You need a man Sun sail You need a man Baby and I'll do man Oh you know you don't need I got you Ain't on it on it somebody You need a man Alright I think I got room for one more one more and we're gonna call it let's go back let's go back to the 80s I'm gonna be down with y'all ca This is my first number one record Here we go Alright taking it back to high school man How you going up with that tea Oh you let you take out Shout out to my Gen Xers What were you up to when this one was out This was hot now you bring me all And shall we couldn't I know for you Sorry baby Miss Sherelle I wasn't trying to be I didn't need a time you won't read you all Red You all I wasn't trying to be you won't read I didn't go I know you expect I said when I be I knew you would say how y'all doing in the back This song was later done by Robert Palmer I was a few years later He made it huge in the pot world Sherelle she made it huge in the RB world I wasn't trying to be you won't I like But as you can see Minneapolis touch spread across uh multiple genres I almost wondered if Jam and Lewis were to get a hold of a country artist how that would go over what kind of sound would that have Minneapolis slash country Have we heard Prince do that?

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But it would be interesting to see Jam and Lewis produce a country artist who is to say that they haven't.

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I'm gonna have to go back and scroll through that list of hundreds and hundreds of tracks they produce and see if there are any country artists in there that they produce. I don't think I've seen one yet.

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But I would not be surprised.

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We've been rolling for about an hour and a half.

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Close to wrapping it up. I think we've covered everything tonight. We've covered the stories, covered the information, covered the music.

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Alright. Let's go ahead and wrap it up here, folks. Man, this has been fun. I've been anxious about doing this one. I've been meaning to do a salute to Jimmy Jam and Jerry Lewis for a long time now. And I actually want my fedora tonight.