The Black Widows

In Episode 5 of SoCal Slaughters, we dive into the chilling case of the “Black Widows”. 

Helen Golay and Olga Rutterschmidt - two women behind a calculated insurance fraud scheme tied to multiple suspicious deaths in Los Angeles. From staged hit-and-runs to disturbing financial motives, this case shocked investigators and true crime followers alike.

🕷️ Black Widow Drink Recipe:• 2 oz vodka• 1 oz blackberry liqueur• 1/2 oz fresh lime juice• 1/4 oz agave• 1 tsp edible black glitter• Club soda topper

Pour all ingredients (minus the club soda) into a shaker with ice and shake well. Strain into a martini glass, top with club soda, and garnish with lime or blackberries.

✨ Bri-lixer Version (alcohol-free):• Substitute alcohol-free “clear” vodka• Skip the blackberry liqueur• Add extra agave (3/4 oz)

This episode discusses murder, fraud, manipulation, and the investigation that ultimately exposed one of Southern California’s most infamous criminal partnerships. Listener discretion is advised.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Hey guys, welcome to the podcast. I'm Joey. I'm Rachel. I'm Brie. And this is SoCal Slaughters. How are we doing today?

unknown 0:38

We're good.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Goodness.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

So good.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

A long few days. It's been a long week. We had a very busy weekend. Yeah. Very big event in our in our town. Yeah, true, true. That absolutely came down on our restaurant and uh ascended on us. But we handled it. Oh, we killed it. Oh, definitely. Pros. Yeah. Yeah. Like the pros we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

I was um there to watch. Yeah. And I would say they were pros for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yeah. I definitely couldn't have got it through it without you, though. Like for real skis. Oh. That's what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

So sweet. Yeah. But it's done. It's over. Money was made. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Money is made. Murders were avoided.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Murders were avoided.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Fortunately. Can we please just as a society recognize I have been to a bar before? I know how to order a beverage. And when it's busy, I'm probably gonna wait for a minute or two when there's 50 other people alongside. That one person isn't the only one in the bar?

unknown 1:45

What?

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I feel like that's asking a lot. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

It seems like I really got a feel for the general population's IQ, if you will. That's not a good thing. It was rough. It was rough, but you know what? The best part. The future is not bright. The best part about where we live is that we do have amazing regulars. Yeah. And they make everything worth it. Because I can be so weeded, and then I see my friends and the people that I've known for so long. Hi guys. Hi. Shout out. Um and it makes it all better. Honestly, it really, really does.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, while I don't work there anymore, I worked there for a long, long time with them. And it's so true when you're like in that bar and it's perfectly like aligned to the front door. Yeah. So that it's like you might be like in a sea of people that you don't want to see, but then you can clearly uh above the crowd.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Above the crowd, you can you can witness your friends like walking in to save your like mentality.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

You guys, you guys love me and you came, you came in spite of madness.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

And then you're like, now everybody move.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah. Oh, I mean, I really do. I'm like, excuse me. There's somebody that is going to be sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

You're leaving, right? Yeah, right. No, these people are done. I gave them their tab. Yeah. They're fine.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yeah. Um, well, speaking of uh drinks, which we're not, but we're going to now. Oh, yes. Um, this is our drink of the week. So we have our black martini glasses, so you obviously cannot see our beverage. But um, Brie here has her clear one uh for many reasons. Obviously, she has her uh, you know, Brixer there, so it's a non-alcoholic version, but it is the same otherwise. Yes. Um, so it's a black widow tonight. Um, and it's really cute. And it's it's so cute. It's super cute. And like just I know that you will see the recipe in the show notes, so I'm not gonna go crazy on it, but um, the black glitter, it is so it makes it so pretty. It really does.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

It's it adds it adds exactly what you wanted it to. I know it looks just like mystical, mystical, yeah. Mystical's perfect. That's a perfect.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

I would have liked to throw like a little dry ice for that, but I was like, I don't want to play with that today. So we got the little spider web. We tackled a lot this evening. Yeah, we did. We really did, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

We instacarted wine. We had to, we had to, we had so much to do.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

It was a necessity, I will say. Everybody needed to decompress.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, and we can also tackle a lot of time. We did the little so as you guys watch these beginning episodes, you might start noticing like additional little things as we get you know more situated in what we're doing and what is needed. So you know, we'll we'll still put our construction hats on. Yeah, yes, and mine's more of a spectator pad there. The construction hats.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I'm kind of there for moral support.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

I feel the same when we're videoing, though. I'm there like tools. You guys got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Well, anyways, um, let's try this one out and see how we feel. Um, if at any time our uh mouth turns black from drinking this, we didn't know. So sorry. And don't judge us. Yeah. It's black glitter.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

It's really cute. It's really yummy.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, it's really oh my gosh, it's good. It's perfect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Um, that's delicious. So mine is the alternative, but it still has all those flavorings. So um, huge fan.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Yeah, that's that's goody. Goody goody. Yay. Okay. So, what you got for us today? So I'm so excited. We're gonna get this one. Um, you know what? I'm just gonna come straight out with it and tell you, and I'm gonna apologize to Rachel in advance. Um Rachel, I sincerely apologize. Um, but uh tonight we have the story of the Black Widow murders. Ew. I've been so excited to do that all day long.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Olivia did this to me. Oh, get them away.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

I love them. Rose. I literally was gonna use them as a garnish too, but then I was like, it'll be so much more fun to do this to Rachel.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Oh my gosh, and they're little black widows.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Yeah, they have little, the little red.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Oh my gosh, these would be such cute for like earrings. Yeah. Or I'm gonna, I will be doing that. Oh, yeah, like a bread. I will be doing that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Rosie, she's closer to me than she normally is today, so it actually worked out even better.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

I had no idea. I didn't I was gonna tell her that I didn't tell her. I had no idea. You know me, I would not be able to keep my cool in that in that either. You could tell I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

So, in case you guys don't know, I am a huge arachnophobe, and Joey just threw a million spiders at me. And why do they have eight legs? Nobody needs eight legs. Get away from me and gold things.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Look at their successful, I hit them like this whole time I've been holding them in my hands. Yeah, I was trying. And I know I touched my hands like so much. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

It was like, dude, I know they're called the Black Widows. There's a spider web in my drink. Yes. I get it. I know. I thought that. I was like, the spider web won't be too much for her. Spiderwebs are fine. Spiderwebs are pretty. They're cute, but they're pretty. The glistening. That's really pretty. There is a glisten. With your fucking eyes and your legs. Get out of my face. Thank you for um lining them up so lovingly. Staring directly at you. Face that way, go. I'm gonna swish him off the No, I love these little babies. All right.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Well, keep them look them up so they can look at you. Oh, yeah. So for those of you also just listening, because now we we have our audio launch. Yes, yes, yes. This is fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Super exciting.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

There are spiders everywhere. So we are on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. I keep forgetting.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

It's new to us, people can see. That's why I said that. Thank you. I appreciate it. For the audio listener. Yeah, I did. I just heard a bunch of spiders.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Um plastic spiders.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

It really was fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

If they were real, I wouldn't be here any longer. I would be halfway home by now.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

I was like kind of, I thought I didn't know if she were gonna jump out of your chair. I was I was on the phone.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

There is a beverage here too. I know. I was like, let me know this way.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

That would have been a big mess. Oh my god. Um, yeah. Sorry for your carpet. All right, so this is the story of the black widow. Okay. No more spiders. Okay. I'm looking this way. So this is a case that's gonna sound a bit impossible, um, but you're gonna find out how easy it really was. Okay. Okay. So let's meet our um stars of the evening, I guess, if you will. Um, Helen Golet was born in Texas in 1931. Okay. She was a landlord living a very comfortable life in Santa Monica with several properties and substantial business knowledge. She was the type of woman, like you wouldn't think twice about her. Okay. She was organized, quiet, responsible, the kind of person who knew how to manage money, paperwork, all the details. Okay. She was a woman of habit. Uh she's like type A. Yeah. Like the core. Literally. Okay. Leaving her home every day at the same time. So control issues. Yeah. But like she would leave in full glam. Yes. Like, okay. On every piece of jewelry that she had, like her nicest clothes, like pristinely picked out, not a hair out of place. You know, she would just slide into her white Mercedes. And she would uh go to her favorite deli called Izzy's. Izzy's, all Izzy's. Oh, that's cute. And she would take her same corner booth, table 22. I love that. I'll take my I'll take my table. Yes. Well, a single person in a booth. We we really don't love that, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

As long as it's not a dirty booth in the restaurant.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

All day, all day long, a single person taking up probably the best booth in the entire restaurant. And if that wasn't bad enough, she drank her coffee with a straw. Ew.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, because her teeth, maybe regular hot coffee.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah, I don't know. That was just a little special extra.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

On a reused coffee mug, I think. But I mean your beverage is still in the cup. Yeah, for sure. It's but yeah. But your mouth is on that place.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

The terms they're if they're there, they're there. Anyway. So she would post up here all day long, constantly on the phone with various business dealings, like very, very, very, very busy. Very busy woman.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

I'm so sorry. How is she on the phone?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Like she had uh her, I mean, this isn't we have cell phones. This isn't like old times. This is like nice. I said, No, okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

She was born in 1930. Okay, yeah. I was thinking we're in this never happened.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

We're in, yeah, we're in like 1990, like late 1990s.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Oh, like she's she's like in her 60s at this point. Yes. Okay. Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yes, yeah, gotcha. So then we have Olga Rutter Schmidt, born in Hungary in 1933. Okay. She was a divorcee who lived in Los Angeles and ran a coffee shop with her ex-husband until she settled alone in Hollywood. Okay, so they're both like on the other side of life, like essentially, right? But Olga was very different from Helen. So she was eccentric, quirky, um, a little harder to read. Uh, her thick European accent would make her seem like cold and very matter-of-fact.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

That's she's Hungarian.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

That's just who you are. Um, she was outdoorsy and like not like our outdoorsy, like no. Like outdoorsy. So, like, while Helen would go drive her Mercedes and go to the like coffee shop every morning, she's going to take like morning hikes through the hills, okay? Okay. Alone.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Oh, yeah, because she's not crybaby pussy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

That was amazing. Okay. So she that's true. Like, there's actually like later on, like down the line, when we'll get to the we well, we won't get to it because I didn't add it to the story. So a little quick like absurd excerpt for later. Um, when the detectives were the detectives were like looking for them, like looking into the these women, and they were like uh on detail for them. Um, they even mentioned that like they had to follow her and they would like have to go out and follow her on her hikes, and they were like, we couldn't, we like couldn't keep up with her.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Oh, yeah. That's all American men.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Yeah, like she and she's like in her 70s, like they're like they're nice shoes, yeah. Like, you know, so it was a whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

So she's very like grew up during communism. She she's experienced some shit.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

It's true. Um and spells of LA or nothing. And like, so in this situation, when you're looking at the two of them, we have business and we have muscle.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Yes. Okay. Like that's okay, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

That's that's what we're that's what we're going for here. Um, but while she was quite opposite from Helen, um, she was also really like loyal to her, like when they met. So full on here for yeah, like besties. Yes. Like really close. Thicker, thick as beeves. So the two had been close for years at this point where we're at at this point. They met at a gym during like that whole jazzer size, like spandex craze, you know?

SPEAKER_02 13:49

I'm just seeing Mrs. Trenchbowl.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Not like, no, they were like, we're newly single and we're going out in our like spandex aerobics like class. Like Jake Fonda. Yes, like jazzer size like style. So, because yeah, I mean, they're like, that's that's what they were going for. So they met in class, basically. Okay. Um, and on the surface, they lived completely like normal lives in Los Angeles, right? There was no history of violence. Um, there were no warning signs uh of any kind. You would look at these ladies, they're elderly, they're just nice old ladies, right? But that's what made them dangerous. It wasn't rage, it was patience. Yes. I'm sorry. That's terrible, but first it's a little hot. Um respect it. So um it started with a simple question who wouldn't be missed, right? Homeless, isolated people without any like strong family or friend ties, own like no connections really to anybody, men who needed help, men on the margins.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

I was thinking it's the 80s, 90s. Yeah, 90s, yeah. Okay, 90s. We're we're out of the AIDS epidemic, but those are people.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

So, yeah. Um, so they found a program at a local church led by one pastor Charles Zueda in Hollywood that offered free meals each week to the unhoused and unfortunate. So this would become a hunting ground for Helen and Olga. Oh, I hate this. Because that's exactly what they offered. Food, but also shelter, a place to sleep, sometimes a garage, sometimes like a car, maybe, or like a small rental space, but uh like a roof over your head nonetheless. Yeah, not out on the street. Yeah, comfort, yes, uh better than what they were experiencing. So to the outside world, they looked compassionate, you know, like they were helping people that no one else would, basically. People like Paul Vedos. Paul was a 73-year-old Hungarian immigrant who was a regular at the homeless outreach. So in 1997, okay. Oh wow, okay. The girls approached him and offered to help get him off the streets. This would include free shelter, as in they would pay his rent, free food, as in they would buy his groceries. Sounds great.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

And Olga is also Hungarian, so you stick together.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

It sounded like a great deal for Paul, right? And for two years. Wow. Two years, he was enjoying these gracious perks, thinking that he was one of the lucky ones to have found these women, or for these women to have found him.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Not to be rude, but wasn't in exchange for anything? Because that's two years is a long time.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Two years is a long time, but there's a reason that it's two years. Okay, almost to the date. Oh. So then on November 8th, 1999, Paul Vedos would vanish. Around the same time, police had received a tip about a body found in an alley near North La Brea Avenue lying in a puddle of rain. No ID. His upper body had been crushed, and he had massive internal injuries. There were no witnesses, and it appeared to be a hit and run.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Okay. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

About two weeks later, Olga calls to report him as a missing person.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

When Olga gave Paul's description and the general area he was last seen in, they put it together pretty quickly that he was there, John Doe.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Wow, what a really helpful tip. Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

So, in like strange that she knew exactly like kind of the location that he was last seen in and that it was there. So after his body was identified, Helen Gollet would step forward claiming to be his fiance. She inserted herself as his next of kin so that she could handle all the arrangements, gain access to any and all documentation. Interesting. And support her claims to his insurance benefits. So here's where we have the two years.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Um, multiple life insurance policies had been taken out on Paul shortly before his death.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

There's got to be something looked into on when someone takes out a life insurance policy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

You don't even need anybody's approval to take a life insurance policy out of the house. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Who needs multiple life insurance policies? The combined payouts connected to him were like $600,000 plus dollars in the 90s. Yeah, 1999. 30 years ago. Yeah. Boy. So these payouts were obviously split between Helen Golet and Olga Retterschmidt, right? So the case would then be boxed up and filed away. Doesn't seem like there's anything wrong here. Accidental death. Olga's also Hungarian, so makes no, you know, obviously this is his cousin as she claims to be, you know, and this is his fiancee. Yeah. So about three years later, in the spring of 2002, Olga spotted a man named Jimmy Covington sitting on the steps of an office building across from Bally's gym, which is where they went to class, and asked him if he was homeless.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Bally's?

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Yes. Like straight up asked him, Are you homeless? He like didn't look homeless at all. Stop. So he was like kind of offended. Like he literally looked like it does like a like he was just sitting on the steps. But he doesn't deny it. Okay. Like he was a pro at this point. He gets it. He was used to using like community showers and he had the whole bird.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

But he was homeless. He was. He doesn't deny that he that he got. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

So he had the whole birdbath in the restaurant bathrooms thing down, which we love.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

We are very familiar with.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Yes. But being that he was homeless, he also, you know, had some street smarts about him. So she told him what her and Helen do for down and out men. Um, and that she had an office space just upstairs, and all he had to do was fill out some basic paperwork to get the ball like rolling, and that he'd have the same type of deal that Paul had had. So, all right, he follows her up and she gave him the key to the office with a cot in the back, so like nothing special, but it was a roof again. There's a bathroom in there. Yeah. Come on. But there were rules that he had to follow. So you have to leave the office every morning. You can't come back until after office hours, because it's like an office building, it's not an apartment complex. Um, you can't have any guests, you gotta keep quiet and you gotta keep it clean, right? So if he stayed there for 30 days following these rules, he would get $10 a day allowance while the paperwork was like processing. And once it was done, he would receive a bonus of $2,000. Yo, okay. Sounds good, Chick. Like, what what do you need? Yeah. You know? I mean, I'd still be like suspicious. I mean, I do feel like he still was kind of like, all right, we'll see how this pans out, you know? But the paperwork that day was as she said, it was basic. Okay, like name, birthday. Social Security number, you know? Anything you need to file an insurance claim? 100%. But also like not quite enough. Okay. That's why it was like, here's what I'm gonna like feed you, and then I'm gonna like reel you in from here. Absolutely. Keep that, keep it coming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

I'll give you whatever you want.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yeah. So in that light, the next day, she came back with more forms. So now she wants parents' social security numbers. Their last names, like grandparents' maiden names. What street did you grow up? Literally, like the name of your first pet. Yeah. And this is just info he like simply doesn't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

I have no idea why we're in social security. I mean, nobody does.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

I mean, I do, but like that's I feel like neither here nor there. Um, but you know, I mean, he doesn't know this stuff, you know. And so he's kind of getting like tired of it, really, you know, like he's like, you're like, just keep coming at me here, lady, you know. So he bought some time, like a few days, you know, about three, four days. Then she shows up and she takes him out to lunch. She's like, let me take you out, you know, and she doesn't say anything about the paperwork. So he thinks, cool, she can take me out to lunch. Then once they're at lunch, he like she just starts harping on him about it again, like the paperwork. And now he's just over it. Like he also hadn't received any of the money he was promised daily. So it's been four or five days, four days, whatever, for 40 bucks. He hasn't gotten any money. Absolutely not. That's ridiculous. Yeah. So he excuses himself to the bathroom and he like just bails. Okay, good for now. Fair. So he goes back to the office space, like to grab what few belongings, you know, that he had. And on the way out, he hands the keys to the building manager, like telling him like he won't be staying there anymore. And like, he's like, Yeah, you're not supposed to be staying here anyway. Like, what the fuck? Like, you know. What are you what are you talking about? You know? So whatever. He's out, he's gone. He he got away. The one that got away. Okay. So that was spring 2002. Now we're in summer of 2002.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

The girls meet Kenneth McDavid. He's a 50-year-old native of Northern California who had attended Sacramento State University and had fallen on hard times. Uh, they approached him with their generous offer, and of course, he says, yes. Who's saying no? Exactly. Yeah. So again, for two years, he stayed the full two years. They're paying $900 a month for his rent in a small like studio apartment. Cause like assumedly, like, they got kicked out of the office building after James, like, or Jimmy, like told the manager that he was living there. Um, so these were all uh like rent checks paid by personal check signed by our business grew Helen. And then what do you know? In a back alley of Westwood Boulevard on June 21st, nine or 2005, a man finds Kenneth's body. He has ID on him this time, so they know who he is. And nearby there was a bicycle with the front tire missing, and so like it appeared to be a hit and run, and like he was just changing his like bicycle tire. So Helen comes forward to ID his body this time and make arrangements, and she like said she was his cousin. This time she was his cousin, Olga was the cousin last time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

She's his cousin.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

So um at this point, the girls had spent over $60,000 on him for over the last two years, right? Um, but this time the case wouldn't just get filed away like Paul's did because enter Ed Webster, a insurance investigator hired by Mutual of New York. New York? Yeah. So the insurance companies began to notice something strange. One okay, thank God. Multiple policies, same names, same patterns. Okay. So is this some kind of source so far, or have there been more that so these are the only deaths that we have come across. So they have filed more life insurance plans. Jimmy.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

But that didn't work out. And then later witnesses, more witnesses will come forward that like survive through it. But you know, this kind of overlap, it doesn't happen by accident. Yeah. No. So Ed flies to LA and starts digging around. Okay. So he gets the toxicology report on Kenneth McDavid, and he sees that there was a large amount of various prescription drug drugs in his system. Wow. Enough sedatives and painkillers to render him unconscious multiple times over. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Why wouldn't I mean I guess they need to make it look like an accident? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

So there were Well, also they need to essentially restrain him.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

No, no, I get that. He couldn't have just died from the overdose. They have to. Right. Because then it's too like an accident. You don't get it. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Okay. Yeah, exactly right. So there were a couple like a couple other issues that he came across that made him like sus, though, you know? Like his injuries weren't consistent with a hit and run.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Like, nor was the circumstance. So like both victims, but obviously he's looking at Kenneth, but in both cases, um, they had extreme blunt force trauma that you would expect from like a fast moving vehicle. Yeah. But the locations were back alleys.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Yeah, yeah. Like, why would someone be hit with that level of force in a place where cars typically move slowly?

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Then it's not an accident.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Also, their injuries showed no reflexive movement.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

So, like, normally, like we were just saying, someone being hit or like about to be hit would brace or like jump or like turn their body. And like these injuries were head on and they were like upper body, like chests crushed in from like being rolled over like by tires. So this indicated that they were stationary and positioned deliberately to be run over for an immediate kill. So, like in this situation, like if they they were rendered, if they were unconscious, you know, like drugged and unconscious, and they're placing them in this space, they're placing him again. Sorry, Joey speculates wildly. Um, they're placing them to be hit just from head, like head and chest. Yeah. So that is like you're dead, like no matter what. But the rest of their body isn't like why would only they would only be run over in that particular space. So they're like super putting them out, so only that part of it, and then you know? Yeah, absolutely. So that was a little, I don't know. Um, and then also this time Kenneth's like ID being the only thing on him. Yeah, I mean, they have to it takes too long to the system. Yeah, exactly right. So the was placed so obviously to identify him and speed up the claim process because they learned from the last victim from Paul that like Yeah, they know tips are needed for this one. Yeah, it took a little bit too long for their liking to get their like claims. Um, so he goes back to New York to report his findings, and what they find is a trail of forged documents, false identities, and 13 life insurance policies valuing up to $3.7 million. Wow. 13. 13. So that's where the problem like really lies. So like what finally exposes them was like the connection between victims, like same victim profile and like same type of death, like same beneficiaries in both cases, right? And then eventually, evidence that ties the women directly to the deaths. So now we're like, we need like hard evidence, you know, we have these connections and these ties, but yeah, there's no actual proof that they were doing something.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

So in 2006, uh New York Mutual contacted Helen and Olga telling them like a cure, a courier is gonna be coming to personally hand them their checks relating to the policies that they had out on Kenneth McDavid. So Helen was set up to receive over 1.5 million and Olga over 600,000. So like they're pretty fired up.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Yeah, well, they got real greedy.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

They got real greedy. Wow. So like they're ready. They're like, we're getting our checks, boom, let's go, right? So their career was Ed Webster. So he heads to Izzy's for his meeting with Helen.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

He's the insurance guy, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:01

He's the investigator. Okay. So he has, yeah, so he's going to Izzy's where obviously Helen's at Izzy's. Inside the envelope is a letter and a check for $1,800, reimbursing her for the premium because they rescinded the policy. So she like freaks out, like made a huge scene running around the restaurant and like yelling, like how it is unacceptable. Like, and this woman, like Helen. I would love to have been there. Right? I was like imagine. Yeah. So she's got like this really like sweet, like high pitched um voice. Like she's very, like, I and she uses it, you know, like when when it when it's beneficial for her. Like, oh, like, what did I do? I never have I don't have my purse. Like, I can't, whatever, like super like that. And now she's just like screaming, like, and it's just it's that'd be so satisfying.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Like, yeah, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Because you know the workers never like yeah, I knew I knew it. Sitting there drinking only coffee for fucking the entire day out of your mind.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Yeah, out of your own. I would I'm just gonna drink it like this. Sorry, I'm not gonna even pick it up. It's gonna spell. Um, so then he like went to Olga's house to give her like her letter and check. And she wouldn't even open the door at all. Like, obviously, tipped off by the door. She probably tipped it off. Okay. Yeah. And like she starts yelling threats like at him, and he is there with a a police officer. Like they're together. And she is like threat, like yelling, like, if you don't get away from the door, I'm gonna throw boiling hot boiling water on you. Oh my god. And like, she's like, and she's hardcore, you know? Like, yeah. So Eastern blockers, yeah. Like big time. And then like she won't, it's going on for a while, and then she like calls the neighbor upstairs and like has him come down, and she like comes out and like he's like bodyguarding her, like, and she's getting out of there because they wouldn't leave. Yeah, so it was that's a whole nother scene, whatever. So, anyway, soon after they're arrested at this point, obviously. So they're putting into into an interrogation room together, together, yeah, yeah. And they start talking obviously on purpose. So they start talking to each other, and Olga like is I love talkative, like per you know, she's talkative, and so she basically just starts going in on Helen, like about being greedy. Yeah, yeah, I mean because like when they did the whole whole like Palvados thing, they had like this agreement, right? And they were supposed to be partners, whatever. So she was super like loyal to her and all this and setting up all this stuff, whatever. And then she like found out when they got their checks that Helen had taken out um separate ones that Olga's name wasn't on. Oh and that also there was a a point in time where she called, Helen called and tried to get Olga removed off of one of them as well. So now she's like in this room. Were they both beneficiaries? On they were both supposed to be equal beneficiaries to everybody. That's so suspicious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

So then, so she's like, Helen, this is all your fault. You're too greedy, taking out three separate policies under your name only, like, you know, just putting it out there. Yeah, you know, and they're obviously being recorded. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Come on. And then Helen's over there like, stop talking. Don't talk. I'm not talking to you, like in her voice, and like Olga's just like won't. She's being like just airing her out at how she just would was greedy, greedy, greedy, right? Taking all this stuff out. And she's like, if you would have just been like honest with me and straightforward with me and kept a good relationship with me, we wouldn't be here. It's your own stupidity, like full on. So, like that, they got a lot of information off of that. Um that little plan. Yeah. Um, so investigators also found, like, uh going through like their stuff, they also found several checks that were written to a rubber stamp store that was nearby. Rubber stamps. Rubber stamps, yes. These women are older, right? Yeah. Okay. So they went to the store for a little like visit, like, what's going on? There's a lot of checks here for this store. What's happening? What's going on with the store? So the shopkeeper there recognized the photo of Olga and casually just said, like, they call her the Black Widow because she's always coming in buying stamps of men's signatures.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

I remember, I mean, I remember that working in different, I mean, working in HR for, I mean, we had to have the owner's signature for checks and things like that for payroll.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Yeah. So just always coming in.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

It's so old school, we don't do that stuff anymore.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Just and then like they would get, you know, the information the that that they would fill out in the beginning and they're sign it, and then they would just take that and go make a rubber stamp of that signature so that they could anytime they needed to get paperwork, file paperwork, and get the signature of that person, boom, you got it.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

No, this is post-9-11. See something, say something. What's going on? We all just call her the black word.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Yeah, that's just her nickname. We just like casually call her that's fine. Like, we don't know what's going on with these guys, but like, whatever.

unknown 36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

They speculate wildly.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Yeah. Yeah. They did speculate wildly. And but their speculation was not far off. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Dang.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

So they also got good old Jimmy Covington, um, as well as several other potential victims, turn witnesses with like similar stories of how the women offered the same like deals to them and like various like points that they like bailed on it, you know. So the whole point, obviously, of the two years is it that's how long it takes. Yeah. Is two years to file from filing to like being able to come through with the payout. So were they filing these immediately when they would sign them up? Right away. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And that's why it was like literally not even days. Like two, like two the from two years. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Like literally.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

So I wonder how often that happens and it's not a murder, you know? For sure. Right? Like coincidentally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

So now obviously all they need was a murder weapon to tie it all up. And soon they would have CCTV footage. Oh my gosh. That would give them Helen's car. So the prosecutors spent the entire first week of trial attempting to place the car where Kenneth was killed. Yeah. And then connecting the defendants to the car. Right. So the three, there were three surveillance cameras from like nearby retailers. Okay. And they captured a silver station wagon looking like vehicle resembling a Mercury Sable. And it was turning into Westwood Alley just before midnight on June 21st, 2005, which was the night that Kenneth McDavid was killed. So according to testimony, that night. This is great. Okay. So according to testimony, that night a tow truck was called to a gas station at the end of the alley by someone using Helen Golet's auto club membership. Oh my God. What? And then the driver of said tow truck, who like could not identify either of the women because they weren't there, I guess, um, testified that he towed a 1999 silver mercury sable to a location in Santa Monica that was obviously near Helen's home address. Okay. Then a car salesman also was able to identify Olga as the woman who purchased the Sable from his dealership in 2004.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Come on. All these are later.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Police had found like a note in like Helen's day planner that they seized from her or whatever that she left out, whatever. Um, and inside of it was a partial license plate number and VIN of the like vehicle. And that led to the discovery of where the vehicle was now because like the car had been obviously since impounded and like resold by the time that were in trial. Um and so then they were able to locate it. So they purchased the sable back for the purposes of the investigation. Wow. Oh, you have to purchase it back. Yeah. Oh, okay. So jurors were able to inspect the undercarriage where authorities said they found traces of hair, flesh that matched McDavid's DNA. And then there was also a like a k like a highway patrol accident investigator, John Coulter. Um, and he also like testified that the passenger side of the car, the floor pan was like pushed up an inch and it was clean of like grease and like dirt. And then there was photos of Kenneth, like, you know, with that on grease and dirt, like wow, matching, and like it was obviously like implying that the vehicle had run something over, and like so it was like matching. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

These women are terrible at being criminals, yes, like terrible, but like it's so funny because like in when you're in court, dude, man, I want jury duty so bad.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Right. Like it's like I'm like, and they got to expend exp wait, inspect yeah, inspect the vehicle. So sometimes you get to go like to a location, like the whole, like dirt, the whole jury, the like the defendants, the like all the lawyers, the judge, they all will go like on a field trip. And way too excited about that. No, but it's like not fair. Like I never get, I never get like asked for it. And like one time I did, and I was like, Cole, and then we'll tell you.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

I remember inconvenient as shit, and you know it. Yeah, but I still wanted to go, I would have been like, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Well, the last I just got it a month ago, remember? But it was so deep in LA that I would have it was just it was too inconvenient. So I had to relocate and I didn't get called and that was a PSM.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

I don't know. It just like I'm like, that's so like they're out there. They literally like went outside because like the car was outside of just outside of the they didn't have to go anywhere. They just went outside. But they still got to go outside and they like and were inspecting it and they were like showing it. It was like, I'm like, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

I like how fast you would become the four women of whatever jury you guys would be on. I would be too nervous. It should be jury duty, should be like you could like a job you could apply for.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Yeah, yeah. I feel like I would be like, I don't want to talk, like I would be like, I don't know. Because it's scary, like when you have to like determine something like this, especially like in a mer, I don't know, and be like, well, certain cases I probably wouldn't want to be, but yeah, yeah. That's what I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

There's no way I've sat in so many courtrooms because of extra credit for school for different law classes that I was taking. And it's boring as shit a lot, but when you actually get a case where you're listening in on clearly somebody did something wrong. Just listening to the defense. Yeah, that is that was the only part that I liked. Because I was like, You're really this is how you're spinning it? Yeah. This is that's your case.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Okay. Like last my case last week.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Oh, yeah, for sure. Right? Like it was her. Yeah. No, these girls confess. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

Yeah, whatever. Um, so possible prosecutors also displayed photos of like this red paint. Okay. So this is another way. It's like these, it's like everything that can go wrong, like, well. So for these women.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Somebody stole this car from them, right? And then 100%.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

So, like, okay, so there was this red paint splattered on one wheel of the station wagon. Okay. And like authorities said that the red paint places the vehicle in front of Helen's home. Yes. Because a neighbor Stopping. Like thought, like, like, it wasn't even on purpose. Like, somebody just like randomly spilled like red paint one day on their street and like it like splashed onto her like wheel. But a neighbor took a photo of the paint and like called it in and complained about vandalism. So it was like random occurrence that like wasn't fully like fine.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Because the universe is not going to let you guys get away with.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

Yeah. I mean, that was just like an extra little like PS, also. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Also, just in case you thought it's never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Um, okay, so Helen Ghole and Olga Rutter Schmidt took out more than 20 insurance policies. That's insane. Totaling over five million dollars between both Kenneth and Paul. Between just the two of them, just the two murder victims. Yep. Oh, wait, what? Just between Kenneth and Paul. 20. 20 million. Over five million.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

That doesn't include the other victims. The 13 other 13 others that they took claims on. That's just those two.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

Well, no, that there was 13 on Kenneth alone. Oh, that's including Paul and Kenneth both. Okay. Yeah. So now 20. Yeah. So 20, yeah. Wow. Um, so the pair was convicted of collecting approximately 2.8 million in payouts before they were discovered. Yeah. So and he this is where it was. The women took out 13 to 16 on McDavid, valued at roughly 3.7 million, with obviously the women as sole beneficiaries. And then they took out at least three to eight on Paul. Wow. Yeah. So on July 15th, 2008, Helen Golet was 77 and Olga Rutterschmidt was 75. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

Just like I don't give a fuck. This is wild. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

They were sentenced to two consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain, which David. David, sounds familiar. That's uh recent. Yeah. I know when I read that, I was like, oh, that's a thing. Save these. Yeah. So Los Angeles Superior Court Judge David Wesley ordered the maximum penalty and called the killings. Wait for it. A slaughter driven by greed.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

I'm not gonna lie, I thought you were gonna say legendary.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

Rightfully so. Both women died while serving their sentences at the California Institution for Women. Helen uh passed in 2023 and Olga passed in uh 2013.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

Oh wow. Did they um give them life support so that they would get brought back and serve their second life?

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Their second life. They brought him back. They're like, nope, you're not done.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

This is gonna keep you alive until your sentence is over. You're not done. No DNR for you. Yeah, yeah. JK, JK.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Yeah, so that is the story of Helen and Olga. Get out of here, you fucking.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

Wow, they are really.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Also, I'm really digging that like you're like you're very pink and black, and it's really cute. Oh, like you're like pink here, you're pink and black here, you're pink and black there. Yeah. I'm good with that. That's really cute. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Super color coordinated. At least it's like, you know, balancing itself out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? It's funny because I would have thought like to be called the Black Widows case, like this is the most famous case of the Black Widows. Like, if you look up Black Widow murders, it's these women.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

It's interesting because when we heard Black Widows, I initially thought that they were like marrying.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

And then like poisoning them. Like that's what I thought of too. And I would have also thought, like, for this to be like the Black Widow murders, I would have thought there would have been more victims.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

You know, like then two. But it's not about the body count, it's about like the like diabolical. Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Because they were they how they were playing the long game. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Like just I know they had the stamps and stuff, but like there should be an in-person verification when you take out a life insurance policy because or get a signature stamp.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

So there was um like a couple of times where they had to be on the phone. Okay. And like that, these companies we had to verify the paperwork that was sent to them.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

There was one where um they they did call and hell, it was Helen, and Helen um had to call them back because they were like left a message because she wasn't gonna answer because she was like, I don't know, what's what this is me. Right. So she called them back because she knew that they needed the call with the man on the phone. I think it was Paul, maybe it was Kenneth, but they needed him on the phone to verify everything that they had sent in paperwork paperwork-wise. And she called back, claiming to be his secretary, and that they she was gonna put uh her like them through to him. And it's clearly her like her. That's wild. Like in a deep like trying to use a deeper voice. So like talking for him, and he just like and like sounds um like irritated. Like all of this I put in the paperwork, and they're like, verify this, you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Like, can you just let her have this insurance policy, please? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

I'm too busy to deal. Yeah. Like it was like this happened. So there were like instances where they had to be. And I guess if it's New York meeting, but why are they taking a policy out of New York when they live in California? Because it's far enough away they can't show you. Can you do that? Yeah. I think you can take out a life insurance policy anywhere you want. That's no idea.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Like all this just seems like this industry's been playing fast and loose for a real long time, and then now we're just dropping insurance policies all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Yeah, almost every case you see, it's like, took out a life insurance policy. Yeah, took out a life insurance police. Well, if you watch Daylight. Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

I mean, I have life insurance policies out. Yeah, I mean, like a child. But you took it out on yourself. I took it out on myself, but also on my daughter's father. He has one on me too.

unknown 49:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

But if if you have a kid, like you have to not enough.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

I mean, it I think mine was like 250,000. Yeah, but how far is that gonna get her in life if I'm not in her life? You know, that's not a lot of money. Right. Not nowadays. Yeah, no, yeah, it's like five years' rent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

Yeah. I mean, it's I but yeah, I I I definitely was a little bit like caught off guard with the difference in what my thought was of it versus what it really was. But then as I was like going through it, there's so much. Like, I'm so sorry, you guys. There's so much more to this story. Like just based on the like odd, there's so much audio of them talking to each other. I was gonna ask you if there's audio of the interrogation room because I want to hear that.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

I wonder if we could do a little pause it, like a little insert.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Yeah, I don't know. We haven't tried that yet.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

We'll give it a try. Yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Yeah, but like it's there's a lot, there was a lot more like I went into the bit like as much detail as I could without trying to make this like a two-part episode or something. Yeah, yeah. So um, but yeah, it was it's a good story.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Yeah, yeah. I hadn't heard this one either. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know this. And it's not semi-recent. Somewhat, yeah. 20 years, I feel like it's kind of recent. To me, that's recent.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

So I'm going to say that I watch cheesy shows like Monk and um what's the other one where she It's Kevin Bacon's wife? Oh, yeah, the closer. Yeah. They did an episode. No way. The closer. Listen. But John Relvio is the best. So stop. And Jell-O Shot. Yeah. J Shot. J Shot. Okay, listen, baby. Um they covered this. Yeah. In that, in that uh they did an episode just like this. So it had to have been right after this because what was that in the 20 teens?

SPEAKER_00 52:09

Yeah, and like they have episodes on uh every I mean not on everything, but they defin Dateline definitely did, you know, a whole thing on them. And like they have a pod they did like a six-part podcast on um on them. Yeah. And like So you really gave us just like I did, yeah. And that's in bolts. I mean, Keith Morrison, he goes in hard. Yeah. Like, so I mean, in like who's not listening to him tell a story. Yeah, I do. Um, it's it's real in depth. Um, and but also like they've done other like episodes of other shows that cover this as well. Um, and I did look for those, but they were the episodes that like they skip on the free channels, you know? How it's like, oh, here's episode one, two, three, five, six, seven. Oh, where's episode four? Oh, that's a really good episode. You don't get that one for free. So both of the both other episodes or TV shows that I tried to like watch to like get other, you know, perspectives or whatever on it, they both of them were not available. There was like the one episode that they skipped in the in those like shows. So rude. Yeah, thanks. But fortunately, there's a lot about them online and you know, there's a lot, there's a lot. I've there's gonna be a lot of pictures, I'm sure, on this. I got any, yeah, right? Yeah. Somewhere in the air here, yeah.

unknown 53:29

Stop.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

All right, Anna. But you know, good good times. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 53:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Yeah. Yeah. Hardcore and you know, business savvy muscle. So it's like, you know, obviously that's what sucked though. Like, in a way, you feel a little bit bad for Olga because um, you know, Helen definitely used her and then tried to go behind her back and like cut her out of stuff, you know? And like she was loyal to her, and I she and then she ends up getting caught because of Helen's mistakes. Yeah, because she did that.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

Helen's greedy is shit.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

Yeah, I mean, not that Olga didn't deserve to be caught, obviously she did because she was part of this, but I mean, that would probably piss me the F off for sure, you know?

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Oh yeah, like but I like the ranting because she was like, Listen, I'm not going down for this by myself.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

She's it goes on a rant, like big time, yeah. Yeah, stupid Helen, yeah, stupid idiot. Um, well, any uh well, socials.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

What do you got? Socials. We have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, definitely, and now Apple and Spotify. Yes. Now you can listen as well. Yeah, yeah. So we're still like trying to figure out how to or if you're listening to audio, we are also on YouTube. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, yes. We're trying to figure out. If you want to see me scream at right, 15 spiders being thrown at me. That's that's a visual unique. That's what that's like.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

But our audio is only going to start as of episode three, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

So the first two YouTube exclusives.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Yes, yeah. And I mean, as long as you're checking us out on YouTube, subscribe. We have a community listing in that comment.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

We would love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_00 55:17

Yeah, we, you know, we like uh let us know. Like, what did you think of the black widows?

SPEAKER_01 55:22

And what do you think of spiders? Yeah, do you like spiders? Do you trust them?

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Because I feel like it's a spider. Nobody should.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Right. I feel like it's a general consensus that everybody hates spiders, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:33

No, I'm telling you, I saw something where Billy Eilish had one and it was like in her mouth. Ew. Yeah, she's got a spider. I'm gonna vomit.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

It was in her mouth? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

Like a real one? Yeah, like a big hairy one.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Ew! Don't put hair in my mouth. Or a spider.

unknown 55:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

Well, you heard her. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

I'm gonna heard her. I'm gonna have nightmares tonight about spiders.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Well, take some home and maybe you know. Absolutely not. You can get Raven pretty good. She likes spiders though.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

She hates them now. She does now. Yeah, because she did like them. I reminded her that she used to love them and she doesn't believe me. Right now, uh my niece really likes spiders.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

I mean, I respect them. I don't love them, but I'll catch and release. Oh no. We need spiders. I have some. No, I don't want to hear it. That's what raid is for. That is so bad. I'm highly allergic to raid, so I don't support that. Right. I have specific spider raid.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

Because if it doesn't have the spider. I thought it was like one of those things. If it doesn't have the spider on the can, it doesn't kill the spiders because they're highly resistant to like everything. So it has to be specific to spiders. And I have a spider spray. Okay. Yeah. You should just spray it.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

So I don't fucking, I don't care if it's like you put over it and it like whoop it, like you roll it and it puts it up inside of it. I'm gonna get you one. I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

I'm I'm she has to get that would mean that would mean she'd have to get near the spider. I'm not getting near it. I'm asking my sister. There's a spider, and she comes and she takes care of it.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

Yeah, I'm the spider. I don't glare. Yeah, I don't know. I don't play that game. Like my husband is like on it every time. And he he knows my voice. Like, uh, if I I say babe in a very specific way, and he knows that it's a spider. That specific reason is why I'm I'm saying it that way.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

I mean, I do remember the spider nest in your guys'.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

I was gonna say when you're the last one, the monster in your name. He literally, we were like moving out. He's just like, go, just said run.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Already gone. I was like, okay. And it was like the last thing we were like cleaning out, too. It was that just proper cabinet. And he like went up there with a uh flashlight because he's so like the last thing. It was the giant monster at the end of arachnophobia, is what was in your cabin. Yeah, yeah. And he that's all he said to me, he was like, run. Because we had already turned the electricity out, so he had there was no way to see it, and it had gotten dark, so he had the flashlight.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

I mean, I feel like Dan gives John um John Goodman vibe so you know strong.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

The only redeeming quality in that movie was John Goodman. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

No, that movie was fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 58:19

I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

I still I still to this day, I don't mind spiders, but that movie, I'm good. It's why I'm scared of them. I've watched it when I was like, I always sit down on a toilet without checking out.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

I still check on her lamp shades to this day. That's like crazy. Like, I don't I don't know if I have a specific, like I can see for most of you, something unless I check on it.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

And for me, it's around phobia in spiders.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Dude, watch the movie, and then you're gonna never see around. Of course I've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Oh, okay. Yeah, but I'm like, I just don't watch it, but don't have me near you when you're like.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Like, I don't know if there's anything that I have to check before like doing it.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

I always check.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

I have to check. Well, I check the back seat.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

I check my the back seat. I check my reusable straws every time. Because I remember my grandmother used to drink all of her drinks out of straws, and she told me, check them every time because in Utah they have spiders everywhere, and there's a spider inside of her straw. Why would they do in a straw? Why would they be in a straw?

SPEAKER_01 59:13

Why are you in a straw? There's no insects coming into a straw. There's no reason to talk to spiders.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Sometimes they just want to be inside the spaces.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Under the rocks and stuff, not the straws. All right, I don't know. I don't know. We didn't stop talking about a spider.

SPEAKER_00 59:25

I went up night for like three weeks. For real, guys. Like, I don't even know what to do anymore. We gotta get great.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

Now I'm gonna get scared when I walk over there and see a spider on the floor. Um, what about our email? Done. Uh the girls at soulcowslaughters.com. That's what Don't send me pictures of spiders because I'm gonna do that. That's what I was just gonna say. I was like, I'm fantastic. I wanna see a block. Immediate block.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

Now you know how to get under Rachel's skin. Go ahead and now they know my weakness. Email those spider picks. All right, you guys ready to close the tab on tonight's case?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Oh yes. Yes, we are. Yes, until next time. Don't get into it.