Walburga “Dolly” Oesterreich & The Attic

Behind the lace curtains of 1920s Los Angeles, Dolly Oesterreich kept more than secrets - she kept a man hidden inside her attic for years.

In this episode of SoCal Slaughters, we unravel the bizarre and scandalous true story filled with obsession, infidelity, manipulation, and murder. What began as an affair spiraled into one of the strangest love triangles in true crime history — proving that sometimes the real danger is already inside the house.

🍸 Cocktail of the Episode: Dolly’s Spicy Bees Knees

• 2oz gin

• 3/4oz lemon juice

• 3/4oz honey simple syrup (made with regular + hot honey)

Shake vigorously and double strain into a chilled coupe. Garnish with a thin lemon wheel and a drizzle of hot honey. 🔥🍋

✨ Bri-Lixir Version:

For a non-alcoholic version, we substituted the gin with alcohol-free gin.

⚠️ Content warning: This episode contains discussions of murder and infidelity.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Hello and welcome to the podcast kit. I'm Rachel. I'm Brie.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

I'm Joey. And this is OCAL Flatters.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

We always try to say that in unison. We try and it always is a little screwy, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Oh well. That's right. All right. Well, first of all, let's talk about our cocktail. Yes. Cocktail time. Our case. It spans about 10 years or so, but the actual crime takes place in 1922. So a popular cocktail was the bee's knees. However, we did a little bit of hot honey because our main lady is a little spicy. So cheers.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

It's a good way to look at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

She's a spicy lady.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Cheers, ladies. Blessed bee. Oh, yes. Yeah. Very good. Yes. Like. Yeah. That hot honey is like does you can get just that. It's not spicy, but it has that little like little something. It's not even like a kick kick. It's like a like a dribble.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

I will say what I heard is that uh that's the new trend is hot honey. And I was like, wow, I am, I have gone through so many bottles. Yeah. No, hot honey's good. No, it is. I have never put it in a drink before, and I'm telling you, the citrus and the the spicy is getting me. So good.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Yeah. All right. Anything we want to talk about? We're going to crime con in a couple weeks. So excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Never been.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

The schedule came out.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Yeah, schedule came out the other day. I mean, even what was already out, I was super excited about. Oh, yeah. To see some of these just legends of this field to be able to listen to them a lecture in any way. I'm makes me want to lose it.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

It's pretty exciting. Like I knew, like to a degree that there was going to be these, you know, people there. But now actually seeing the list and like seeing there, I mean, it's competing because there's people gonna that are gonna go at the same time in different rooms. So it's a little bit difficult to try to decide, you know. Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously 100% going to be in the Scott Peterson one. So look for me there.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Yeah, right. Isn't it right away though? It's a right away. It's on Saturday. Yeah. It's like we're not going to Friday. No, we can't go.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yeah, we can't go Friday. So we're we're gonna leave early Saturday morning and get there. And it's the noon one on Saturday. So as soon as perfect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

That'll be perfect. We'll get there in plenty of time. We'll unfortunately not be there for John Douglas on Friday.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

You were really wanting to. I was that's the main one I wanted to see. But I mean, I'm sure he's probably gonna be around popping around.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Yeah, yeah. I think that they all will be. And like there are multiple like uh other meet and greets and stuff going on too throughout the the weekend. So that's really exciting.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I mean the kickoff 90s party though. I'm super Thursday, even.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Oh, is it? Yeah, I was like thinking, I'm like, oh, you know, if we could have just figured out a way to go, but I'm like, no, because that's even on Thursday, we would still miss it. Oh, yeah, that's what we yeah, we would have been the girls from the craft, like oh, definitely uh happy anniversary to the girls from the craft too, by the way. Yeah, that's why I my blessed bee was in homage. Yes. Um and also we got our gimbals for it. So we will be taking tons of footage.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

There'll be a lot of content for us. Stories.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, we'll be post we'll do it. We're gonna do it on like our socials and stuff like that. But um if there's anything that you specifically suggest, let us know. We'll make sure to take extra footage or whatever. If there's anything you guys want to see specifically, or anything we should go see outside.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah, we're gonna try to do the mob museum. And the mob museum has that one thing I was telling you, like the CSI, like oh yeah, my jig. That's that's the same spot.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Yeah, so that's the definition. It's on Fremont. And I'm gonna tell you, the people watching there is amazing. So I'm gonna get my yardstick virgin pina colada. There you go. It's my favorite thing ever.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Yes, that sounds amazing. Yes, but mine will not be virgin, mine will not be virgin either.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Yeah, I like it. That's fine. Hey, it's fine. Virgin pina coladas are good.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

They are, especially when you're on vacation.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Um, that was my vacation drink when I drank anyway. So I'm that was my pregnancy drink.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah, that's the best.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

I wanted a fun drink, so I just so many virgin pina colottes. Right. So many. So many.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

But it's like, yeah, it's coming up, it's coming quick. And we're gonna try, we're only gonna be there for like two days, but you know, we're gonna try to fit in what we can.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

That is my almost my max. Three days is my max for Vegas, anyways. My social battery can't really take more than that.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

But yeah, it rounds it out pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I think so long as we are there, we take our time, we film our content, we decide on the different things that we want to be a part of because I mean lectures to me are the best. Yeah, I cannot wait.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Me too.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

I'm gonna bring a notepad. Huge nerd alert. I freaking love lectures. So it will, I think that that will help break up how busy it's gonna be in place.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

And like we're not gonna all be at the same one either. You know, like we'll go to different ones, and then if somebody doesn't want to go to one, they'll go the the the convention, yes, the hall, whatever that's going on the whole time. So you can go to the yeah, like if if we're not in a conference and somebody else is in a lecture or whatever, then we can go into the what did I call it? The hall, the convention.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I'm like, wait a minute, are we okay?

SPEAKER_00 6:11

We can go into the convention and like be in there and and walk around and stuff because that's where gonna all the podcasters will be in there.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Yeah, yeah. That'll be a lot too.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

That'll be a lot.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

We'll have lots of stuff to hand out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Pens and stickers and lots of merch stuff, then we'll go back and we'll change into our mob wife looks. Oh yes, and we'll go hit the town.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Yeah, I think I'm gonna um be able to have some pretty solid mob wife looks too because my graduation's coming up, so I'm trying to find different outfits to wear to that, and I've seen a lot that would fall under that category.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah, I just need a fur. Yeah, like that's the main thing I need, I think. And I just I was like, I can't even believe that I'm saying that I need a fur and I don't already have one. So yeah, it's kind of weird, but let's see, what else is on our the well I'm again not to bring up David like every day, but we didn't bring him up?

SPEAKER_01 7:07

No, we didn't. Yeah, it's true. Right because his his first court hearing, like real, was this past week. So we didn't even have any information yet, and now there's so much new information. So much new information out there.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

I saw something about he used aliases to order on Jinsaws or something like that on Amazon, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But but it was he did such a poor job. He's very bad at what he did. But he purposefully found a doppelganger for Celeste and dated her, and they would be at the same place at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Celeste Herrera.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Yeah, and if she was there at the same place at the same time, doppelganger had to go by CeCe. That's so weird.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

It's really crazy.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

It's so uncomfortable that that's the length you would go to. And the the fact that people knew, I mean, there's correspondence with his manager, with his friends, with I mean, just so many people that sh they knew. Are you still dating that minor?

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Like, ew you're a home man. It's like I don't understand. It's wrong on any. I just don't get it. Yeah, I don't understand it. The but I will say that like learning what we're learning about the steps that were taken and the absolute like horror that that girl went through, it's just like it's insane. It's so bad. It just gets worse. It just keeps getting worse. Oh yeah, it keeps getting worse. Yeah, yeah. But at least details are coming out, and that's going to help the the case further, you know, which is what we mean. You really gotta, it's like you can't, we can't miss this one, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Because as of right now, I saw that if they aren't able to bring about, is it like the murder charge and be able to absolutely tie it to him because the police had apprehended him before they actually were able to present a like a full case, right? I think that's what it's like, like have the full charges. Yeah, if they don't do that, he will get released on Monday. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

I mean, if anything, but he's a flight risk, so it's like not just that.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

You look at you, this is an extreme minor that you were dating. I believe that no in California, yeah, they should be able to hold him on that anyway.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Yeah, but I mean, as well as the possibility of a flight risk. I mean, this guy I feel like for sure is a flight risk. Like I think it could be argued easily.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Oh, 100%. Yeah. So that is updates on him. I mean, I can't, it just keeps on unfolding.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Keeps on coming.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Yeah.

unknown 10:06

All right.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Well, with that in mind, yeah, let's get into this wild ride of a case. Give us the story. Let's hear it, sister. So we're telling the story of Wahlberger Dolly Horset. Quartz, quartz. Listen, these names are German and hard. Wall. Horschel. Wall Wahlberg.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Like Mark Wahlberg. Right. Wahlberg.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Wahberg.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Wahlberger. That is her government name. But we're gonna call her Dolly. That was what her family called her. So Dolly Korshall. Okay. Okay. Huge pivot. All right. Well, Dolly was born in 1880 to German immigrant parents who settled in Milwaukee. She grew up on a farm in a tight-knit German community. At the age of 12, she started to work at a textile factory. And this is where she would meet her future husband. Now I'm probably going to butcher his name as well because I was pronouncing it one way one way in my head and then did a Google pronunciation and I was not pronouncing it correctly. I love a butcher. Fred Ostrich. Ostrich. Okay. Fred Ostrich, but we're just gonna go Fred. Freddy. Yeah. Okay. Uh Fred was not much older than Dolly, but he was a very successful business owner and owned that factory by the age of 17. Wow. Yeah. Impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at this uh factory, he employed many other German immigrants. Um, he just wanted to kind of give back to the community. He he was a son of German immigrant parents as well. Now, it is said that Fred was immediately drawn to Dolly. She was kind of the yin to his yang. He was a bit of a drunk, angry, kind of walk around the factory yelling at people and just kind of like, you know, being rude. Um, and Dolly was kind of like the mediator. She would kind of follow him around and kind of smooth things over between him and the employees. Yeah, we all need those. Well, by 1897, when Dolly was 17, they got married. When she was 27?

SPEAKER_01 12:11

17. 17. Did I say 17? No, you said 17.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

I don't know why I heard 27. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

No, but I was like, how long did they know each other at this point? Five years. She's working in a textile factory since she was 12. 12. That's what she said.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

She said 12.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

But that's why I thought, like, 27, like, geez, what took him so long?

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Um, they did welcome a son in the night year 1900, Raymond. He did tragically pass away just shy of his 10th birthday.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Don't know why it's um marked as an unspecified illness.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

It's probably pretty common in 1900 still. There's all sorts of diseases.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

The loss of a child is gonna be hard. Obviously. Um triggered Fred's drinking a bit more. He was gone away, uh, working a lot more, and when he was home, he was distant. And Dolly became a little bit lonely and sexually unsatisfied. Dolly had quite a few lovers throughout the year.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

All right, Dolly.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Um, in 1913, while at the factory, one of the sewing machines broke down. So in walked 17-year-old sewing repair man Otto San Huber.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Oh, sewing machine broke down.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Mm-hmm. So uh Dolly was taken by this young man.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Well, they're like the same age. Or we I guess it's been over the years.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Well, now this is yeah, she's a little older. At this point, she's she's 33. We're in 1913 now.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Yeah, guys. So she's 33. And he's 17. He's 17.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Okay, Dolly.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Yeah. So um, conveniently enough for Dolly, her sewing machine at home broke down.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

No way. It did, you know. You don't say.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

So she uh asked Fred to send over that young repairman to fix her machine. Same guy. Same guy. He did such a good job. Yeah, he's such a great sewing machine repair man. He uses his tools really well. Very well. Yeah. So she answered the door wearing just a slinky robe, her stockings, and a smile.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

What? Uh salute.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Oh. Well, that day was the end of Otto's virginity and the beginning of a very compelling affair. Oof. Yeah. She's a little cougar. That was he was not, he was okay. Yeah. Many a day were spent together in various hotel rooms. However, not wanting to draw attention to um the affair by spending so much money that, you know, if I would be suspicious on where this money was going, they decided to move their situation to Dolly's home. Okay. So Otto would come over during the day, they'd have their little fun. Eventually, neighbors started to notice that this man was always coming to fix her machines. Is she not working in the factory now? She comes and goes. She's not a full-time employee. She's moved on to like a housewife, but she still, you know, she does go to the factory every so often. But for the most part, she's at home. Okay. So the neighbors ask her, like, who is this man? Like, what's going on? And she says it's her vagabond half-brother who comes over so she can feed him and he can shower and freshen up.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

I mean, that's I that's a pretty good one.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

I mean, it's during that time. There that wasn't uncommon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Well, one of the neighbors mentions this half-brother to Fred, who knows that she does not have a half-brother. So he brings it up to Dolly, asks her what's going on, and she tells him he is a book salesman who just keeps coming around, but she'll put an end to it. So now, not to raise even more suspicion, because now the neighbors are aware, Fred's aware. She comes up with a brilliant idea.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Do people go to your house to sell you books?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Oh, yeah, that was too traveling salesman.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

But books?

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because there were no like bookstores, really. What the people couldn't afford to have like storefronts at that time.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

At that really? Oh, wait, okay. It's 1900. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

It's the early 1900s. People did not have money like that. Especially. But we're talking about um not Minnesota, right? Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Miliwaukee.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Yeah, Miliwaukee. But that was a huge job. So everything that you could imagine was being sold by traveling salesmen. That was your job. I mean, death of a salesman. Come on. Okay.

unknown 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Well, Dolly comes up with a fantastic idea. She suggests to Otto that he quit his job and move into her attic.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

That's a hard sell.

unknown 16:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

But it worked. Why? Because now Otto doesn't have to work. He has no rent to pay.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Why doesn't he have to work? Because he's gonna live in the attic. Why? I don't know why he would kick it. He was very much in love with Stalin. That's why.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

I don't really okay. Yeah. And he also he was also adopted. He didn't really have close family or a lot of friends. So he could kind of just didn't disappear without so much as a coming. Where's Otto? That's rough. Yeah, I mean that's sad. Yeah. For sure. So in this attic, he went. In his space, he had a cot, a desk, paper to write, an oil lamp, and a chamber pot.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Living the dream.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Yeah. All you need, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

On the days that Dolly was home, Otto would spend his day helping her with some chores. Once those chores were done, they would spend the rest of the time in bed until Fred came home.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Doing his other chores.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

On days Dolly went to the factory, she would unlock the door so Otto could come down, eat, get some air, and then before they came home, he would come back up into the attic.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

How how long did this go on for? Oh, we'll get there.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Oh, oh, it's like so he's not eat having any food. He has no food. He doesn't leave the property. But like he has no food in the attic. No. So he cannot eat if he's in the attic. And the days that Otto doesn't go, or not Otto, Fred. The days that Fred doesn't go to the like the weekends? Yeah. Is he just starving? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Like, go I want to go for a walk.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

What says like 1913? They don't really have, you know, like they don't have like a crossing has like bags of chips. And you know, like, you know, it's like he doesn't have like a like a pantry.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Stay in the attic and smell the food that he cannot eat. The schnitzel and whatnot. Yeah. This is a terrible deal. I don't know if that's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

No thanks. Yeah. Uh his nights were spent reading books that Dolly would borrow from the library and writing pulp fiction stories. So they had a library. There was a library.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Stories have existed for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

I'm just saying, book salesman. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Yeah. He would write pulp fiction stories, which was his passion, which Dolly would send off to publishers, and some were actually published. Nice. That's cool. Yeah. So he's getting money. Yes. He is getting money, and Dolly does put it away for him.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

All right. Yeah. But she's trapped him. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Yep. When Fred was home, Dolly had a padlock on the door, telling Fred that she has all of her fur coats up in this attic, and this padlock is to keep them safe. She has a fur coat. She has fur coats.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Yeah. She has multiple fur coats. But in real life, she has full fur coats. This isn't like a fair fur coats, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

They're like loaded rich. He's like a millionaire in like two days' time.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

So then they really had to have been in there, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:02

I mean, they probably were. I mean, he's probably not wondering like where are your fur coats? That's what I'm saying. Like or like why are they here if you're saying you're saying they're there, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't sound like Fred really knows a lot about what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

He's drunk all the time. Yeah. Or gone at work. Well, at least we know that um Otto wasn't cold in the attic.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Oh, yeah. Although it probably got really hot up there, too. Like, ew.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Or really, really cold. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah. Well, now, after some time, Fred starts to become a little suspicious. He does hear some footsteps. Food is going missing. There's only two of them living there. So leftovers, and then he would come home and they're gone. Yeah. Uh his cigars were missing. Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

But cigars taking the cigars is risky.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

That's real. It's a risky move. That's real. Well, Dolly just gaslit him hard. She told him the noises were just mice. He's hearing things. He was so drunk last night he ate all the food and just forgot. If you can convince him of that, yeah. And and then he also smoked those cigars. They're not missing. Sure. You just forgot you smoked them. Yeah. Remember this? God, wow. Queen gaslight. Yeah. Real. Yeah. Real pro. And well, aside from being quiet, Otto had another rule to follow, which was to stay away from the one window in the attic. Well, one day, while out in the garden, Fred saw the face of a man in the attic.

unknown 21:32

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Yeah. So Dolly told him, I'm gonna go investigate. Just stay here. I got this. I'll check it out.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

He's just gonna let her. Yeah, yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00 21:45

He's just gonna let his wife go up into the attic where he saw a strange man.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Well, she investigated and of course found absolutely nothing. He was seeing things. So she told him, I'm seeing things. She's seeing things. She told him, I'm worried about you. You should go see a doctor. To which he did. At that point, he should feel like he should be worried about himself. Yeah, I'd be a little crazy too. Well, the doctor found nothing wrong, but still sent him home with some tranquilizers.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Because he's stressed out.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

You know? Now, while this was going on, I would like to mention that Dolly was also carrying on relations with the local iceman, the butcher, and the milkman. And that's a candlestick maker? Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

She's got she's What kind of hormones is she taking?

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Dolly's foreheads.

unknown 22:39

For real.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

So there is one night that they're out at a party and they get into a big argument at this party. So Fred storms out and just walks home by himself. Now, Otto was not prepared for Fred to be home so early.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

And he's sitting at the kitchen table eating a chicken leg.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Okay, but wait, how did he get out?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

No, when they're gone, she unlocks it.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

So he she'll be like, he's never noticed that she goes and unplug the attic door before they leave.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Yo, I think the lock should be to keep out intruders. If you're gone, you think it would be locked. Yeah. Unless she's just so like, I gotta use the restroom, I'll be right back. And then she just unlocks it and leaves while he's outside.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Does she wear a fur coat? And she goes and gets a fur coat to put it on.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Um my other question. So he's Fred's gone, right? Fred's gone. Otto's upstairs in the attic. Is she bringing the iceman everybody in the house?

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Oh my god, no.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

You're stuck.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Honestly, it's like putting it past her because he's up there listening.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

I wouldn't put it past her because later on you'll hear some more stories.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Doing this, no one.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Oh, but I would like to add, I didn't put this in here, but I want to add too, like to the like going crazy. There was one incident when Fred and Dolly were having, you know, their marital relations. And he heard Otto clear his throat up in the attic. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

And she still convinced him there was no one there. It was just a mouse sneezing. Like the house is settling down. What kind of mice does he like where?

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Like, come on, dude. Go check your attic out.

unknown 24:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Well, back to the story. He's eating chicken at the table. Oh yeah. He's eating like what are you doing in my house? And he just says, I'm hungry, sir. And Fred gets mad and kicks him out, and he's he's outside for the night.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

He probably is. But he doesn't really be in the story.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

He never gets any sunlight. No, always like flowers in the attic.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Yeah. And like, it's the weekend probably. So he probably hasn't eaten since like Friday.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Yeah, that chicken is all he gets.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Yep. Well, this went on for another five years. So we're gonna go to 1918.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yo, five years of living in the attic?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yeah. Five years. So now Fred decides he wants to open another factory out west. He wants to open a factory out in Los Angeles. Oh, nice. So they're gonna move. And Dolly says, you know what? That's totally fine. But I just have one condition. I really need to keep my fur coat safe. We have to find a house with an attic. And he's like, whatever, dude. Sure. So they head out to LA. Now, houses out here don't typically have attics.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

This is craftsman style is not so.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

This is not a real trafficking.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Like, no.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Like, not a not a joke at all. This is human trafficking. But I mean, Otto's down for it.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Well, he's down to move to LA and live in yet another attic.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

He is vitamin D deficiency.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

He's not making his own working decisions like clearly here. No.

unknown 26:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Um, so yeah, so they head out to LA, they get lucky, Dolly gets lucky, finds a house with an attic. 858 North Andrews Boulevard in the Silver Lake neighborhood.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Silver Lake. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

That's not the current address any longer. That was the address at the time.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

So they buy the house, they head back to Milwaukee to pack up their stuff. Now while they're packing up their stuff, Dolly sends Otto to LA so he can set up his new home in the attic.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Oh my gosh. Yeah. So he is gone because obviously they have to move out of the house. So he Frank's gonna see the attic. So now he's free to investigate. There's nothing up there.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Wow. I wonder if he took his chamber pot with him.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Gross.

unknown 27:01

Gross.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

I mean, it is one of his only belongings.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

True.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Yeah. So they're out in LA. The same kind of situations happen. He's hearing noises, the food, the cigars. She tells him the same story. You're just drunk, you're crazy. It's nothing. Because why would the same issues be following us, you know? Otherwise. So this carried on for another four years. So we're a we're on a decade right now.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yeah. We're gonna bring it up to the night of August 22nd, 1922. Okay. After returning home late from a party together, Otto would later recall that he heard the couple arguing so bad to the point he feared for Dolly's life. So he descends from his attic. Yeah. So he can get out. He can get out now. Finds two pistols because ironically enough, Fred has a fear of intruders. So he has guns.

unknown 28:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

So he gets two pistols out of their bedroom, goes into the room, living room area, whatever you call it in the 1920s, um, to where they are arguing. Fred turns around, stunned to see this pale and sickly man in his house, who Dolly would later recall Fred recognized. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

And he is a chicken at my table. I'm fixing the repair guy. Yeah. In Milwaukee. I don't know. He's gotta look a lot different now, though. So I mean maybe he's 27. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

And from what I read, this attic is a lot smaller. So he, I don't know how tall it is. Is he able to see it? So it's a crawl space, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So he's probably hunched and like pale and like emaciated. It's gotta be like not, it's gotta be a sight to see. So Fred sees Otto and yells, you, very angry. You know, all like and then he lunges at Otto, tackles him to the ground, and begins to choke him. There are then four shots fired.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

The first bullet hit the ceiling, followed by one to Fred's head and two in his chest, one hitting him directly in the heart. Okay, now while this is going on, next door, neighbor Mrs. Flora Rawson and her guest, Mrs. Nora Norton. Flora and Nora. Flora and Nora, okay, would later testify at trial. The window that her guest, Mrs. Norton, was staying in, the window pointed directly at the Austrike. Austrike? Yeah. Their house. So the women hear the first gunshot. They go to the window and they're both looking out the window. They hear three more shots, followed by Dolly yelling, Fred, oh Fred.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

If you hear gunshots, don't go to the window. Yeah. That's not a good idea. By the way, you need to, you know, hit the deck. Yeah. Just FYI, like side note. Yeah. I mean, becoming a witness is one thing, but I don't know. Becoming a casualty isn't.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

The two women would watch out this window for about the next 20 minutes. Okay. About five minutes into this watch, the port light, the porch light turns off. About five minutes later, an upstairs light turns on, then turns back off. About five to ten minutes later, they would hear knocking coming from inside the house. Like someone is hitting like a shoe on the wall. They would then call the house. It rang for about the phone rang for about three to four minutes with no answer. So now they finally call the police.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

It's a better part of an hour and now they're calling the police.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

We heard gunshots an hour ago.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

We were waiting for more show.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

What are you doing? They would also testify that they saw no one enter or leave the house the entire time they were watching. Which is accurate. Yeah. There's back doors, though. Well, they didn't see it. Yeah. Two detectives were dispatched, with detective Herman Klein being lead detective.

unknown 31:21

Herman.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

They gained entry through the side doors as the front door was locked. Inside side doors. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

They turn the lights on and find Fred dead on the floor. Hearing some commotion upstairs, the officer followed the sound, which led them to a locked closet with a key conveniently nearby. They unlocked the door to find Dolly inside, fainting on the floor, holding her shoe. Holding her shoe? Holding her shoe. Okay. Oh yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Dolly would later tell detectives that she and her husband had returned home from the party. She went upstairs to put her coat into the closet. And while her back was turned, she was pushed into the closet and locked. And then she heard four gunshots. But she keeps her coats in the attic. Mm-hmm. Now they're looking around and she lets them know that Fred's diamond-encrusted pocket watch is missing.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Okay. Detective Herman Klein was very suspicious of her story. While the watch was missing, things in the house were in disarray. It did not look like a burglary. There were still things of value in sight, including Fred's wallet full of cash, which was attached to the chain of his pocket watch that was stolen. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

So you had to remove that in order to get the watch off of it.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Yeah. When asked by Klein if she and her husband ever argued, Dolly insisted that not once did they ever argue. Klein wasn't buying that. However, there was no way for them to explain how she got locked into this closet from the outside. Right. And they did not check the attic. So there was no reason to charge her.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Hmm. Yeah, don't search the house by the way. Why would you do your job? Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Now, following Fred's death, Dolly inherited quite a bit of money. Rightfully, so that was her husband. Of course, husband, yeah. And they're millionaires. So she sold that house, and in 1923, she bought a new house with an attic. I was gonna say, I mean, this is a big house.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

So he's just gonna stay in her attic? I mean, there's no reason for him to be in the attic now. There's no reason. Like, why wouldn't you just be like, yeah, now we're together in the bedroom. You you can have a relationship outside of the house.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

I'm gonna get you your own little bungalow. Like, I'm a millionaire. You're in our backhouse. Word. But no, he scurried up back into the attic. But telling you you can't stop homes and go. He knows. Yeah, I mean, that's yeah. He now has a brand new typewriter, though, with the money that he has made from his publishing, and he doesn't have to keep quiet, so he can like you know, type real loud and oh, right, right. Yeah. He's um now writing under the name, the pen name Walter Klein. Okay, Klein as in Detective Comics. I was just gonna say his arch nemesis, so he says. He picks that name. Yeah. His arch nemesis. That is what Otto refers to him as his arch nemesis.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Okay. Yeah, because if it wasn't for him, his life would be so much better. Right. Is he a like is he a superhero? Like, what are you talking about? I mean, maybe that's one of his stories. I mean, he's up in the attic. He's kind of his ma imagination must be running wild all the time. What else is there? What else is there to do but ponder?

unknown 34:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Well, Dolly's still gonna dolly, and she had many more trists. She started a relationship with her personal lawyer who was head of settling Fred's estate.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Herman Shapiro. Another Herman? Another Herman. We're just gonna call him Shapiro so we don't get mixed up.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Um, but he has no relation to Robert Shapiro. Uh, well, Dolly wanted to get Shapiro something special for his birthday. So she gave him a diamond-crested pocket watch. So smart. The diamond-crested pocket watch. Now he is settling their estates. He knows what's going on. So he asks her, Isn't this the watch that was stolen from your deceased husband? Thank God somebody's smart around here. Well, Dolly's gonna Dolly. And she convinced him that it wasn't actually stolen. She later found it under a cushion. She just didn't find it important to let the detectives know. No, why don't you? No. But she just wanted him to have it, which is still an awful gift. It's really bad. Don't do that. That's my dead husband.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Yeah, right. No, no, you can have this. Yeah. Is Dolly just like a baddie?

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Is that I mean, there are reports that she was very beautiful in her younger days. The pictures I saw isn't it? Yeah, because now she's like 50s-ish, right? Okay. Well, she's also still bored. So she starts dating um lawyerslash aspiring actor, because it's LA. Well, yeah, very LA. Uh, Roy Clum. She will later um give a pistol to Roy to dispose of. She says, this is very similar to the gun that killed my husband, and I don't want the detectives to come around and find it and think this is the actual murder weapon, so I just can't have this in my house.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Where but we're solid.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

How about a couple questions? And yeah, like, well, where did you get it? Where did this come from? He bought it. So he goes to the uh La Brea Tarpits, which is also very LA of him, yes, and throws the gun towards a tar pits. Okay, okay, okay. But now they had two, yeah, but she can't give him two. Right. That's super obvious. So she asks her neighbor, John Farber, if he can destroy dispose of this gun for her.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Why doesn't this woman do anything on her own? Is she banging the neighbor too? Probably. I would imagine I wouldn't put it faster.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Yeah, I would imagine. So yeah, he did he buries it under the rosebush in his backyard. Well, now Roy would later discover that Dolly is seeing Shapiro. They have a very nasty breakup, and Roy is pissed. So in retaliation, he goes to the police to let them know about the gun that she had him dispose of. Good. Conveniently enough, well, lucky enough, he didn't throw it far enough and it was still in the dirt.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Well, he's just an actor.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Yeah. He's not an athlete, he's just an actor. So they recover the gun. Now, when they come to arrest her, her neighbor sees what's going on and he does not want any part of this. So he lets them know as well hey, by the way, she had me dispose of a gun. Yeah, here we go. They go here in my backyard. They dig it up, they take it in. They can verify that these are the same caliber guns that killed Fred. Now, while in jail, Dolly is becoming concerned for Otto, of course, because he's still in the attic, you guys. He doesn't know. He's not locked in there, but he doesn't know where she is. He doesn't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

He doesn't have any, he doesn't know anything that is exists.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

He's just like never been concerned about Otto before. Like nothing like another death on her hands. So Shapiro has has goes to pay her a visit, and so she tells him about her vagabond half-brother who is living in her attic. And you can you please just go let him know what's going on. Wow. Tap on the door of the attic, and he will know to come down.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

You cannot with this guy. But like, how does he not how is he not just coming down anyway? Like, I'm right, he's not a secret anymore. It's been days.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

I mean, has it not been days? But no one around there knows him at all. So if he's yeah, this is a whole nother they're not in call the police then. He has no real money, he has nowhere to go. He obviously has no friends because a friend would have made him move out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

She really should just pay him some sort of compensation and where's his money?

SPEAKER_01 39:29

I thought she was putting money away from him. She has it, she has control of it. She's she has it. She sets it aside for him, but she's a big one.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Okay, she set it aside. When was she ever gonna give it to him? He lives in a freaking attic.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

She let him buy a typewriter. Oh, she used his money?

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's what I was watching out. I was like, oh, he used his money after he killed your husband and you were married. It's the very least she could do is buy his own typewriter.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Seriously.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

I'm like literally getting, I'm I'm getting it out.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Well, so hearing the tap, Otto comes down.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

See Shapiro, who I'm sure he'd recognizes at least his voice, because he's oh man, you know, been in the house.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Been in the house sleeping with Dolly.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Well, immediately Otto just tells Shapiro everything.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_02 40:21

Tells him how long he's been in the attic, about their sexual relationship, and the murder of Fred.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Just why? I mean, not probably great, but like he's probably had it, dude.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Like well, also, she's obviously been arrested, and that shit's gonna come back on him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Well, shocked and appalled, Shapiro just kicks him out of the house. Doesn't go to the police, just tells him, get out, don't come back, or I will turn you in.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

So Otto leaves. But he didn't kill him, so wait.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

What? He killed Fred. No, he didn't. Dolly killed Fred. No, Otto did. Yeah. No, I thought that you said that they wrestled on the ground and then there were shots. I thought Dolly shot him. No, it was Otto alone. At least that's what both of their stories is after this one.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Okay, so he just told this guy that he killed Fred and then he just goes beat it.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Yeah. He's just disgusted by probably the site.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

This would get Dolly out of prison, right? In jail. Well, she's not in prison, she's in jail. This would get her out of jail. If he came forward with Otto saying, like, you've got this woman arrested for the murder of her husband, but this is the guy who killed her husband. Yeah. Yeah. So he, but he's like, get out of here. That makes no sense.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

This doesn't make any sense. This story is wild. Everyone in this story is wild. Well, now Dolly, being the wealthy woman that she is, hires the best of the best. Jerry Geisler. He would come on to be known as the Hollywood lawyer. He would have clients such as Marilyn Monroe, Bugsy Siegel, Charlie Chaplin, and Lana Turner's daughter, Cheryl.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yeah. So Geisler would argue that these guns were too corroded to connect to the murder. And there was no possible way Dolly could have locked herself in the closet because no one's told them about freaking Otto in the closet. Yeah. So Dolly's released on a $50,000 bond after just six weeks. Oh my god. Uh Geisler would go on to file continuance after continuance until January 1925. Charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. She's off again.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

How many guards at the prison did she sleep with? Yeah, exactly. For real.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

What percentage? Yeah. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Well now Shapiro decides this is a perfect time for him and Dolly to move in together. Of course. Of course. What did I Because nothing in the story is logical. Something.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

What's her deal? She's a witch.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

She's she's got magic. Lady. Yeah. She's got magic happening. The gorilla.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

No, I totally like same. Totally not surprised by it. Like, obviously. I mean, we all know same, same.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Well, seven years into their life together. So now we're in 1930. Okay. Uh, Shapiro comes home to find Dolly in bed with another man.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

No way, get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Shocking.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

No, she's she's in her 60s, like mid-60s at this point. 40.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

No.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

Oh no, you're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

I did the math wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

It's because she was 33 when she was born in 1880, so yeah, 50. Yeah. She's 50. 50. Only 50? Okay. I thought she was older than that. That's not bad. 50's not 50 is not old.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

50's still hot as shit. 50's the new 20.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Yeah. Well, I would go 30, but I. 20's too far back.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

So he finds her in bed with another man, raging with anger. He breaks things off with her immediately and goes directly to the police with all the suspicion and evidence he's gathered. He tells them about Otto in the attic, the pocket watch, that Otto had was locked in uh Dolly's attic, and that Otto had confessed to the murder of Fred. Dolly was once again taken into custody. But there's no auto, so you can't prove shit. Right. Well, it took over a year, but they did locate Otto. I don't know how.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

That's some real detective. And I'll tell you why I don't know how.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Because he had moved to Canada, changed his name, legally changed it from his pen name to Walter Klein.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Oh, okay. Got married. Did I say that already? No. No. Got married, moved back to LA where he worked as a janitor. With his wife? With his wife, Matilda. Okay. So they live in LA. Matilda knew nothing.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

This is Walter.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

I would assume.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah. Uh well, once apprehended, Otto spilled all the details about his time in the attic, the constant sex, sometimes up to eight times a day.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Jeez, darling.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

The murder, the stage scene, everything. The media went wild. He was dubbed as the Batman and the Attic Man.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Oh, he's Attic Man for sure. Attic Man for sure.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

I don't like the Batman for him.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Maybe Bat Boy. Remember Bat Boy in the 90s?

SPEAKER_00 45:36

Yeah, he was he was young. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Attic Man. Yeah. Well, his uh defense lawyer, Earl Wakeman, told the courts that Dolly had locked him up and enslaved him since he was a teenager. That's true. Yeah. And that his mind was out of an eight-year-old shooting for the usual guilty by reason of insanity plea. It didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Yeah, other than his published works. Right, true.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

Yeah. Yeah. The jury was instructed they could come up with a verdict of first-degree murder, second-degree murder, manslaughter, or not guilty. And on July 1st, 1930, Otto was found guilty of manslaughter. Okay. However, this murder was eight years ago. The statute of limitations was seven years. He walked out, he was free to go. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Yep. Do you know what? Look at it. I'm sorry for Fred. I really am. But fucking Otto deserves. He went way. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Well, now it's time for Dolly's trial. Already knowing that manslaughter was a lost cause, the prosecutors went for conspiracy. Of Dolly's jury, nine voted for second-degree murder, one for manslaughter, two for not guilty. This was a hung jury and she was free to go. Oh God. Nobody served any time for the murder of Fred.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

That's this is and she gets to just keep on being a millionaire.

unknown 47:17

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Dolly went on to live a long life. She dated the same man, Ray Bert. Not Ray Bert. Ray Bert. Okay. Heydrich. Heydrich? Heydrich. Heydrich. Heydrich. I can't pronounce names today. Yeah. Okay. Um, unconfirmed if she had other relations. I mean, I would say, come on. Yeah. Um, they dated for 30 years.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Did whoa. Did they have any delivery men?

SPEAKER_02 47:46

They probably had a milkman. Yeah. So she married him in 1961 at the age of 81.

unknown 47:52

Dude.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Two weeks before she passed of cancer and left him everything in her will. So I'm assuming that's why they got married so that he could get, you know, her fortune. I do want to throw in some fun facts. Give it. Ray, Bert. Ray Bert was married when they met. Okay. Ray's ex-wife tried to sue Dolly for heart balm. What is that? I don't know. Heartbalm? I would imagine it's bomb.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Some kind of like. When you are responsible for the desolution of someone's marriage, I think that that it's like your line.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

That makes sense. Well, she lost the case. I would assume. Um Herman Shapiro, not Klein, would also go on to sue Dolly for $26,400. When they were together, the Milwaukee factory burned down. And Herman worked as the attorney to settle things with the understanding that he would be paid once the insurance claim was settled. There was no insurance claim. He got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

Well, I mean, there's no insurance claim. Yeah. Dolly still won the case.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Yeah. So basically he sued her for his lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. But he lost.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

He lost, and but they had a they had a deal. Yeah. She upheld it.

SPEAKER_02 49:13

She should have, she should have paid him. She told him there was an insurance.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Um, so I'm not paying you anything.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

So well, once Otto walked out, he kind of disappeared. Um, I did find a 1940s census that showed him and Matilda living in Santa Monica, so they did stay together. And I found his grave shows that he passed in 1948.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

You just went searching for graves? Yeah. I mean that's findagrave.com. Find a grave. Find a grave.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

That's very Rachel coded.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Yeah. Find a grave to go. It's every but every grave. And then you can even like connect like relatives. So like you can find a grave, and then who are their siblings? Who are their parents? You can click. I clicked from my grandpa up to like my four great-grandpa something in uh Detroit or something. This is what Rachel does in her free time. I look at gravesites. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Really? Yeah. See, you should be helping and working with the forensics departments that are doing forensic genealogy. Yeah, that would be so good. That would be rather wow.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

So yeah, that's the wild ride of Dolly and all of her lovers.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Did we did we find any of his um of Otto's writings? No, you know what? I didn't even think to look.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

To look at Walter Klein. Walter Walter Klein. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Well, I did say he became Walter Klein. He was already published.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

Oh yeah, he was published under his original.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

I did search Walter Klein. Yeah. There is a composer named Walter Klein, so it's a little hard to dig through because there's like an established person with that name. Right. Um, but no, I didn't find I didn't look for any of his writings. But I'm sure they've got to be out there somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bizarre. I mean, we've all done crazy things for love, but we have never lived in an attic for 10 years. No.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

I that's next level.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

More than that.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

More than that. And then it was after the movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

And then he did it by choice.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

I will say there, I don't believe it was a choice after a certain point.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

There's no way he's been trained. It's like the kidnapped victims where they're allowed to go to the store. Yeah. Like there's something that was going on. And I'm sure after he had killed Fred, she had something over him. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

But also, yeah, it is also the case too where he's probably like, if I were to leave here, I don't have access to my money. Yeah. So I have nothing.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

And he's in LA. He doesn't, he barely had friends and family in Milwaukee. He doesn't know anybody in LA.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Yeah, he would probably be like, What would I do? Where would I go? Where would I slide?

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

And the sun. My God, the sun.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

He could have been a grave, like a gravigger. Just work at night. That is correct. That is correct.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

And then obviously, like it's not like he was um not, I mean, he was used to not getting food already. Yeah. Yeah. So at the same time, he did get food sometimes and it was a free meal. So I don't know. I just feel like, yeah, there's probably a point where he like went, What do I have if I leave here?

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Yeah, I think he probably went a little bit insane.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Yeah. Understandably. And that's why he probably wrote some good shit.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Yeah. Now I'm really curious. If you guys that's a good idea, there are sleeper sleuths out there. Yeah. Yeah. And you know how to find these things. We would love for you to link to us.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

Let us know.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Yes, email us, link it.

unknown 52:57

Yeah. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

That'd be great.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

And we'll look too.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Yeah, we'll absolutely. If we find it, we'll link it as well.

SPEAKER_00 53:03

And then if we find something, we'll we'll post it.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Post it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

On on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

Because that's what we have. Or a Facebook. And a YouTube. I don't know if I could post it on YouTube. Make it a community meeting. Make it a video. Oh, in the community. We have the little community section where we can talk about episodes and the cocktails.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

That's where you can let us know things that we ask you to let us know. But also email. Email us at thegirls at so cowslaughters.com.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

That's cool. That was a good one. That was a fun one. That was a fun one, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:39

Like, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Like it's never fun, yeah, for somebody to do that.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

Of course, that's not that's not cool, but it's just a wild story. Just without that.

SPEAKER_00 53:47

For real. You know? My God.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Yeah, you need to drink some of the stop talking and some of this. So are we ready to close the tab on tonight's case?

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

All right.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Well, to Fred and to Otto. To Fred and Otto.

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And Tommy.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Don't get any sick. Don't get any sick.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

Don't go into any attics. Don't take it.