The "Not" Well Deserved Murder of Thomas & Jackie Hawks

🌊 In Episode 11 of SoCal Slaughters, we dive into the chilling murders of Tom and Jackie Hawks - a retired couple whose dream retirement at sea ended in betrayal, greed, and tragedy.

Hosts break down the scheme orchestrated by Skylar Deleon, the events leading up to the couple’s disappearance, and the investigation that uncovered one of Orange County’s most notorious murder cases. What began as the sale of a luxury yacht quickly turned into a horrifying crime that shocked Southern California.

⚠️ Trigger Warning: Murder, violence, kidnapping, financial exploitation, discussions of death, and graphic crime details.

🍹 Drink Feature ~ Ocean Breeze• 2 oz White Rum• 1 oz Pineapple Juice• 1 oz Orange Juice• 1 oz Blue Curaçao• Sprite

Directions: Fill a highball glass with ice. Add rum, pineapple juice, orange juice, and blue curaçao. Stir gently and top with Sprite. Garnish with a lemon wheel.

🥥 Bri-Lixer Version• Coconut water• Sprite• Blue curaçao-style NA syrup

📚 Sources referenced include: ABC News, NBC News, court records, documentary footage, and publicly available case materials related to the murders of Tom and Jackie Hawks.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:29

Welcome to the podcast. I am Rachel. I'm Brie. I'm Joey. And this is South. This is SoCal Slaughters.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

All right.

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Yay.

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What are we gonna talk about?

SPEAKER_03 0:39

I don't know. I don't have anything. I really don't have anything today.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

No. It's summertime. It's hot as balls. Um, even though it's really only like 75 minutes. It's like 75.

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It's like mid-70s.

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But it's like a humid y kind of.

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No, we're just spoiled. We're we're spoiled by the beach. Yeah.

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Uh we got some merch.

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Oh, yes. That's something to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

I mean, I think I wore my hat last week, right? Uh you know, we just got it in. Yeah. Like, like literally that day.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

But the red one, you guys. It's really cute.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Yeah, they're cutie.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, we're gonna, we just kind of got stuff so far just to try it out. Yeah. Really, um, I think I wore my shirt already once uh yeah a couple times ago.

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Yeah.

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Make sure that we're supplying quality. And I think we found a go on these. So yeah, those are solid. Yeah. So I think we're gonna be able to the next shipment that we get, um, I think we're gonna be able to start offering the hats for sale. Yeah. Yeah. Heck yeah. So that's good. So reach out. Yeah, let us know um if you are interested in a hat.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Yeah. Or yeah, and we can put them on hold. So at least if you know that you would like something, we'll also get as things progress and we find a good printer. So if you are listening and you know anybody that is a good screen printer, that's what we want. We want to have something quality, but I'm also trying to find somebody local. I have a lead on one person, but we'll see. But that's what I mean. We want shirts, sweaters, stickers, key. We'll get key changes eventually.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Beer coofies, yeah, bumper stickers eventually.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Um, yeah, I'm really excited to do um the next round of stickers because I want to do our little fun ones that I'm working on. Working on a little project there.

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So yeah, more to come. And we'll have a little merch store. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, somewhere. I don't I don't know how to do that yet, but we'll figure it out. Yeah, we'll we'll yeah, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

They have sites that are dedicated just to that, yeah, yeah, you know. So we've never sold anything online like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

So yeah, that'll be that'll be a fun thing for us to figure out during the season break. Yes, yeah, which is coming up, yes. Which is coming up, you guys. So by season two, we goal-oriented Lee will have a storefront available with merchandise in it. Or an online store, not storefront. I'm like storefront. That's what okay, sorry. That's what I meant, but that's not what it's called. Right. A storefront would be like a like a brick and mortar. Yeah. We won't have that, would be great, but we won't have that. That'd be cool. That'd be really cool. But no, we'll have an online situation. Something. Yes. Yeah. We'll keep you in the loop. Yeah, yeah. And then we'll like I don't know. We'll figure out a way to tell you what we have.

unknown 3:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

No, no, we'll link it.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

Like a post, link it, we wear it. Wear it, yeah. Show you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Oh my gosh, I have such a great idea for when we get all of it. Okay. Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

Stay tuned. Um what do we have to drink today?

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I'm so parched. Our case unfortunately takes place in the open water. So we have In the open water? Yes. I'm not a fan. Is it a shark? No. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Okay.

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So this is an ocean breeze. This is what we're doing today. It's blue and pretty, like the it is very pretty. It is. Yeah.

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Okay. An ocean breeze. Ocean breeze. It's delicious. Yeah, it's a coconutty.

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Yes, I was worried about yours, but I'm glad it worked.

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I love me a coconutty um vacation drink. Yes.

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Yes, she does. Uh, we can attest to that.

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It would have been great if we would have found what I wanted when we were in Vegas, but you know what?

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Harder than you think to find in pina colada. Virgin Pina Colada in the appropriate glassware that she was looking for.

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I like the long ones, the yard things. Yard, yard stick.

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Yeah. Yard and whatever. Yeah.

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Remember when they used to have those at yard house and then they had the little clips that you could clip it into the side right here?

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. What was that? You love it or you hate it? That's really good. Okay, yay. Yeah. Is it good with the coconut water? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

It tastes good.

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Like the same coconutty, like oh yeah, I loved Malibu.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

It was good. It tastes very coconutty. I enjoy it. Yay, I'm so glad you had it. It's a wonderful alternative. And for um later on, I'm gonna have my delicious tea because what's better on a hot day than delicious tea? It's good. Peach tea is the best tea.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

I love peach tea.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Look at this. I didn't even know. So I initially thought I was buying soda water because I didn't know that liquid death was anything other than water. And then I found out that they have soda water, which is like my favorite, and I ordered it, and then I got tea because I didn't read because I never read the description. Happy accident. Yes. This one is called Rest in Peach. It is freaking delicious. Flavored tea with agave and vitamins. Heck yeah. I mean, we are not sponsored in any way, shape, or form, but I'm gonna tell you what.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Not opposed.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah, not opposed at all. And it is delicious.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Yeah, that um that's really good. And then um they also have other flavors of the iced tea, not just peach, right? Oh, yeah. There you've got like a variety.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Yeah, I got a variety pack. There's four different flavors, and I feel like no matter what, we will be using them, we'll find a way to use them because they all have these really cool names that are definitely related to or could be related to any of the stories that we do.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh, I just had an idea. Okay. Do you want to share with the class? Well, I guess we could announce it, I guess, that we're we didn't announce it last week that we're doing two-parter for the I see what it is.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

We might have. I got you. Oh, wait, it's still there. Thank you. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

I saved your life. So we decided to do a our first two-part episode. Thank you for saving my life. Um, we decided to do a two-part episode for the season finale. Um, and um, I have already planned the cocktail for the story if I was gonna do it just as one, but it's a lot of information and it deserves its time. So I was just gonna do the first episode of the the of part one with the cocktail that I was planning. And then we were just gonna drink whatever on the second one. No, we were gonna drink champagne, yeah, yeah. But um that one is the second part where the actual murder takes place. Oh, yeah, yeah, that one.

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Okay.

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And that would one is called the the Dead Billionaire.

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No, no, or it's called something else, a B and a B. It's called that's down there.

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Yeah. But that would be a perfect one to drink. Yes. And I could make like, I mean, house housewives drink iced tea all the time, right? Yeah.

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All the time.

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And like sun tea, baby. Yeah.

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I was gonna brew some today, and then I've remembered that I had these.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Yeah. And then like I could just make ours ice picks or something.

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Yeah.

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Even though she does not use an ice pick, though, that would have been awesome.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Oh my gosh. No, I mean, it's awful. Oh I shouldn't have this many drinks in front of me, you guys. I almost spelled my drink. There's a lot of for those of you just listening to audio.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

We've, I think we've sp each one of us has almost or has spilled a drink, like I've definitely knocked at each episode. Yeah. One of these days it's gonna go everywhere. We've saved it.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

We've actually then we'll have that like to be continued or like that that yeah, the to be continued.

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It'll like come up in the beep, yeah, with like all the colors.

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But for now, we haven't yet.

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Yet knock on wood. Well, I don't have any though. Knock on uh plywood? Plywood, yeah.

unknown 8:29

Okay, top.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

Oh, wait, we don't do that yet. Yeah, we're gonna turn that even. Um, apologies for the coven episode and all of my insistent tapping.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Yeah, she's gets very when she's in I had a lot of points to make. When you're in it, you're in it, and you're like, this is what is going on. And it is your it's like your gavel.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Exactly. See, I didn't even hear that while we I listened to it multiple times through, but I didn't hear that. But that doesn't mean anything because maybe I just that's not what my hearing picked up on.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

But I think I couldn't not that it's worse when you watch it um on TV. Oh, okay. I think it wasn't so bad when I listened to it in the car, just the audio version, but when I watched it and I put it on my television, which is a very interesting thing to do to yourself and see yourself on TV.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

I'm not a fan, though.

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That's why I listen to it on my phone or in the car. Yeah, I we like we only watch it for the first time um on our phones because it's not available. You can't um screen whatever it you can.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

We can cast it.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Not not in Dropbox, though. You there's no way to do it. So when we get like the first draft, we can only watch it on our phone.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

Unless you like save it to your phone and then do it, but that's a lot of exactly. And then that's a lot of storage. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

And so that so then I try to put it on the screen so that I can kind of like test. I've tested it on my phone from the first draft. Then I try to cast it onto the my TV screen so I know what it's sounding like for people who are doing that, and then I listen to it in the car so I know what it sounds like audio-wise. And so in the this last in the Covina up episode, I'm on my TV was where it was because it's probably my sound bar or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

I was gonna say, because when I tried it on my laptop, it wasn't so bad. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

I think it's because you have a quality TV and sound system that's accurate.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

So my husband is um very picky.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

And you have a like for the size of your TV, for the size of your place, correct, as well.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, he's one of those like only accepts the top of the line, which is not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

That's not a bad person to be married to. Obviously, only accepts top of the line.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Yes, get you. Although maybe I was just overcritical because I was coming out of a root canal when I listened to it. So maybe I was just angry.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Listen, I believe that to be true.

unknown 11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

As somebody in this industry, I could understand like graduated, like in like in the industry, like actually.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

In the industry, um, in the dental field. I don't know if you guys know about that. Yeah. Um, but I know what it's like to be working in a mouth. I could not imagine, I mean, outside of it.

unknown 11:25

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

Not to be angry after that. Don't recommend not my first canal, root canal, and it probably won't be my last.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

Have you like had pain like that in your mouth before? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

I'm Native American. I have horrible genetic dental health.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

It sucks. I mean, if if you've been around me for long periods of time, I will have been flossing around you. I am obsessed with it. I will floss, I will brush, I will do all those things. Doesn't matter. The the you cannot fight genetics. So I absolutely have had that and I've had terrible pain. I had to go during COVID. Oh. Like I think I remember that. Yeah. Like I was just in so much pain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

Cause I was trying to remember if I've ever had like, but yeah, now I think I remember that. It was because it was during COVID.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah. Um, it was it was a really strange experience in a dental office during COVID. And I've heard about it from now, like the people that went through it because they had to wait so long to open back up.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Yeah.

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But oh my god, I couldn't imagine. Luckily, none of my teeth issues happened during that.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Yeah.

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Cause that would have been a nightmare.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Yeah. More you would have just gone and had to be. Or ripped it out my freaking soft. Oh, don't do that. That sounds like it's what they did back in the old days. Actual horror. Yeah, but they also died from the infection.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Yeah. True. Actual horror.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

That's why I have something. That's what I think actual horror is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

She doesn't even use Novocaine.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

No, I don't like it. I don't like it. I once may have them give me seven shots.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Yeah, I have a really high tolerance for pain.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Normal life have a high tolerance for pain, but not when it comes to my teeth.

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I don't want to feel one thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

All right. Let's move on. Let's get in. Let's let's get in. Let's get into this situation. All right. Well, let's meet the hawks. Here's a little backstory. The sea hawks? The no, not the seahawks, just the regular hawks. Although I guess, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Wait, I'm like, it's an ocean. Breathe. Open water. And it's blue. Yeah. Yeah. And green. And a little green. Anyway. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Go hawks, by the way.

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Tom Hawks was born December 24th, 1946. On Christmas Eve. On Christmas Eve. I don't like my last story, which also took place on Christmas Eve. Oh. Anyway. Full circle. Yeah, full circle. He grew up in Cardiff by the Sea, which is just south of Incinitas, with his brother Jim. Tom would later join the Air Force. He served in Vietnam and would later become a probation officer. His brother Jim became a police officer and was later police chief in Carlsbad. Oh cool.

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I love Carlsbad so much.

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Tom got married, had two sons, Ryan and Matthew, would later get divorced, and he and his sons moved to Prescott, Arizona. Jackie was born June 26, 1957. She grew up in Ohio and moved to northern Arizona after high school and got married. In 1985, her and her husband were riding a motorcycle and a car crashed into them, killing her husband. Jackie suffered internal injuries, which caused her to be infertile, and she was confined to a wheelchair for over a year.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Don't ride motorcycles. See? See?

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Okay. Less than two years after the accident in 1987, Tom and Jackie would meet at a chili cook-off and they bonded over their love of fitness. They would marry in 1988. I was just gonna say you can love fitness and good food.

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Fitness, chili in your mouth.

SPEAKER_04 15:13

Oh my gosh. They would marry in 1989 and she raised his kids as her own and they called her mom. Tom always had a dream of living on a boat. So in November 2000, they purchased a 55-foot trawler, which for those who don't know is like a mini yacht.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

I was just gonna say, like, what do we know what length of boat falls under yacht?

SPEAKER_03 15:41

It goes from being a boat to a yacht, a yacht. Um is it troller? I maybe it is. Yeah, I did think I think I think troll. I think it's troller. Oh, I don't know for sure. You're probably correct, but I feel like that's what you do is you troll for fish.

SPEAKER_04 15:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. Got it. Uh, they purchased this boat for $300,000 and they named it the Well Deserved.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Oh. That's very cute. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

They upgraded it, that all the interior, all the new, like the new GPS system, they had a water filtration that would turn this the salt water into drinking water. Oh, yeah. They uh they decked this guy out. Well, if you're gonna ship as a girl, it is a few.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

It's a female, yeah. It's a vessel, it's a it's a female.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Um, that is a very uh very good idea because if you are stuck out in the ocean, then boom.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

You're not gonna well, yeah, starting living out there.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Thirst to death. Dehydrate? Yes, I have thirst. Thirst to death. I don't know. I thirst to death.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

The well-deserved was the well-deserved was moored at the Newport Beach 15th Street Dock. For those who don't know what mooring is, it is a little different from being in a dock. It is when it's in open water and the ship is anchored to a buoy, which is anchored to the ocean floor. Oh, I love this. Okay. Yeah.

unknown 17:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Like in Catalina. Yeah. So whenever you see those, yeah, they're not just floating, they're anchored.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Yeah, so they'll have those really long docks that come all the way out so that you can moor and walk to shore. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

Got it. Yeah.

unknown 17:29

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

They lived on this boat, they traveled up and down the coast of California, they went down to Mexico until 2004. Son Matt had a baby. Well, his partner had a baby.

unknown 17:42

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

And this is their first grandchild. So they wanted to be near their grandchild. So they wanted now their new plan was to sell this uh troller and buy a small property in Mexico. They were, I'm sorry, the sons are still in Arizona as well. So they wanted to purchase a small place in Mexico so they could be in driving distance of their sons and they could buy like a smaller boat. Oh yeah. So they placed a ad in Yachting World magazine.

unknown 18:10

Yachting World.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

Yachting World. November 12th, 2004. They took the well-deserved along with his brother Jim and his boat and a bunch of friends, and they sailed to Catalina and they had a kind of like farewell party. They told their friends that November 15th they were meeting potential buyers and would hopefully complete this sale and be home by the Thanksgiving. Now it's November 16th, and no one can get a hold of Tom or Jackie, which is uh out of character. This was a very close-knit family, they talked every day. It's not like them to have their phones off.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Yeah, and they have a son that's having a baby. Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

So Ryan calls his uncle Jim in San Diego. Jim drives up to Newport with their family friend Carter Ford, and they spot the well-deserved in its spot. However, they notice the dinghy is not tied properly. There's a proper way to do it. The motor wasn't placed correctly. So this sets them off. They head out to the ship boat, and immediately again they see like tarps and ties like like laid out over the over the side, towels everywhere, like just some things that they wouldn't do on their boat. So Jim leaves a note, leaves on a card, says, I'm a retired police officer, and I want to speak to the people who bought this boat. The owner, the previous owners, Tom and Jackie, are missing. We just want to see what you know. Now, let's meet the buyers. Skylar and Jennifer De Leon. I'm going to say it now that Skylar is a transgender female. So from here on out, I will be using she pronouns. Skylar grew up in a troubled home with her dad, who was quote, not the best dad. He was involved in drugs and manufacturing speed.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

And his friends.

SPEAKER_04 20:15

And his friends. Skylar's father also put her into acting because he wanted to use her to make money. Skylar wasn't good at acting, couldn't remember her lines. The biggest credit she has is an extra on the Power Rangers, which was supposed to be a speaking role, but she couldn't remember her lines, so she was just in the background.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Oh, okay. Okay. I just I did recently discuss this case, but I thought that's a different case.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

Oh my gosh. We could do a whole episode on the cast of the Power Rangers.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Jeez, get it together. Not just the guy's hairline. Not just the step up or step. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

Yeah. Yeah. Not just not just the hairline.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

There's a lot. There's a lot in that. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

So but like Skylar, an extra like fighting or in school?

SPEAKER_04 21:04

A kid in the background. Oh, okay. Okay. Got it. Yeah. As an adult, Skylar joined the Marines in the Marine Corps force recon, which is an elite part. Wow. As soon as she left the Marines, Shane is when she legally changes her name to Skylar DeLeon, stating the reasoning as she did not want to be associated with her father as he was a bad person and a criminal. Okay. Understood. Understandable. Shortly after, she meets Jennifer Henderson. Jennifer Henderson had the polar opposite growing up. Came from a good family, close family, religious family, never got into any trouble, no trouble in school, did great in school. They met online and dated for about a year and then got married in Catalina. Jennifer was a hairstylist. And at this point in 2004, they had $90,000 in debt. Oh. One child and one child on the way. Oh. And they were living in Jennifer's parents' garage in Long Beach. Was it a baby and a baby on the way? With a baby and a baby on the way. And $90,000 in debt.

unknown 22:12

Jeez.

SPEAKER_04 22:13

Makes me feel a little better about myself.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

I've not ever been in a crazy amount of debt because I just was, I've never done anything that would warrant me to have that much debt, but it I because it scared me too much. Yeah. So I just always I was like, pay for it. If I don't have the money, like my dad was always like, if you don't have the money to do it, you're not doing it. Don't don't create a bad situation. Well, now mine's mostly dental debt. So yeah, well, that's necessary, Debt. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

That's necessary. I will take it. So Jim receives a call from Jennifer. Uh, she lets Jim know that they purchased his boat fully with cash. They paid $435,000 plus an extra $15,000 for personal items that were left on the boat.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

So $450,000 and they were, didn't they put it up for $350,000? They purchased it for $300,000. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

I'm assuming they listed it for more because of all the upgrades. Yeah, they did so many things. Yeah. Okay. Um, told Jim that the Hawks had informed them that they were planning on driving down to Mexico for a vacation before purchasing their house and going to be grandparents. So Jim calls their family friend Patricia, who is also in Arizona. Patricia was in charge of the Hawks' finances while they were out to sea or out of the country. If they had received this much cash, they're gonna deposit it. Absolutely. Well, there have been no activity on this account. So Jim goes and files a missing persons report. November 27th, a search warrant is obtained for the well-deserved. A target receipt is found. And on this receipt, they purchased trash bags, Tums, and bleach. Tums? Yeah. Someone had a nutset Tummy. I wonder why. Uh so Target pulled up the security and they're expecting to see Skylar or Jennifer. It's not, it's Jennifer's father. Steve. So police speak to Steve. He says that Jennifer sent him to Target to go pick up these items because they just bought this boat and they want to clean it. And so they say, okay, well, where are they now? Where's Skylar and where's Jennifer? Uh they're at their local church helping clean up. So they head to the church and they do find Jennifer. And she is very genuine that she has not spoken to the Hawks since the purchase and that she has also been trying to contact them because they left behind some clothes and like just different belongings they might want. November 30th, Skyler is in the Newport police station for an interview. Police asked him how he got all this money. They're $90,000 net and living in a garage. How do you have almost half a million dollars to spend on a boat? Skylar admits that she is on probation for armed burglary and is a felon. Says the money was drug money and admits to money laundering. Oh. Tells the detectives, says, I'm just gonna be up front with you, it's gonna come out anyway. Which they did already know about all of that, but Skylar can.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

But just not the hidden money.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Right. Yeah. Skylar shows a notarized the notarized paperwork um signed by Jackie, Tom, Skylar, um, the notary, Kathleen Harris, and a witness, Alonzo McMachine, for the purchase of this boat. So the purchase took place in the parking lot at the 15th Street dock with a suitcase full of cash, just like you'd see in the movies. And then the talks got into their car and drove off.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

None of this is sketchy at all.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

Um, they also bring up to Skylar that there is video footage of her and Jennifer in Arizona trying to take money out of the Hawks bank account. How do they have well? Part of this paperwork is um power of attorney. The Hawks signed over their complete control of their assets to the Daily Ones. So not just the exchange of a boat.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

I mean, so obviously there's no way that they would do that.

unknown 26:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Well, they the signatures on it. But they went to Arizona from Newport, they went to Mexico for their vacation.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

No, no, no. I mean the Daily Ons. They went to Arizona. Is that what it says? Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

For the bank, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Oh, we're looking for them too.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

On the video, you see Skylar and Jennifer walk into the bank. They have a durable power of attorney, all signatures, fingerprints, it's notarized. However, the bank manager takes one look at this form and says, I am absolutely not giving you control of their bank account. Right on. And then Patricia is called because she's the head of their like finances. So she there, the bank let her know that someone is trying to take money out. Skyler lets Tom know that she does have the dual citizenship, so she can go ahead and help him out if he signs over his assets to her. She can help him open a bank account in Mexico and get them settled.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

So that they can buy a house. Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:29

Okay, so everybody does that.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

It seems like super nice. Oh my gosh. And that's also so easy to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

And like, oh my gosh, I can't even believe how lucky we are that you're the people that we found to buy our boat and just so happen to be able to help us with the rest of our lives. Oh my gosh. Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

And then what? Like they sign it back over. Like that doesn't make any sense. I had so many steps in there. Yeah. Stop. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

So I'm gonna mention this witness, Alonzo McCain again. They Skyler and Alonzo met in the Seal Beach jail. Skylar was locked up. Alonzo was a guard. Skylar was also, yeah. Skylar was also on a work release program. So she was allowed to leave during the day in cover. Okay. But while out, Skylar didn't have a job. Um they would just hang out and eat pizza, watch TV, like they became buddies. How long was Skylar in the Seal Beach jail? I don't know exactly how long, but it was one year prior.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah, and I don't think that they do overnights anymore.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

Yeah, they but they have it. I I mean I've done the tour, like uh they have cells there. Um and I know at one point they were able to keep you in jail for like a fair amount of time, but now they just transfer you to county if you're gonna be charged. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Okay. I didn't know that either.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

So now they've hit a bit of a dead end. December 13th, Ryan goes on Good Morning America to share the story of his missing parents.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Oh, I forgot about the kids just for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Yeah. Um, he came with 15 to 20 photos to share and information on what car they drove. The next day, the police get a call from a woman in Mexico who sees this car right outside of her house at her neighbor's house.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Jeez. I don't know. Good morning, America. Why don't you have that far of a reach? Yeah. Good for you.

SPEAKER_04 29:24

So December 16th, authorities head down to Ensenada, along with the Mexican authorities, to speak to the owner of the house that this car is at. They ask, is this your car? Did you buy this car? He says, No, it's not mine, it's my friend's. I said, Who is your friend? Skylar DeLeon. Stop. This was a friend of Skylar. Skylar was an avid surfer and made friends with this family because their son was also an avid surfer. So she would stay with them on surfing trips.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

So that's kind of like why she was in Mexico. Was mainly for surfing. Because we don't know any other reason why Skylar was in Mexico at to know these people or even to have a car there.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Well, she's got dual citizenship.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

She's obviously there. But we believe that's actual that's that was the truth? Yes. So she does have dual citizenship. Okay, I thought that that was just a story. Actually, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

Oh, that's what was told.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

I mean, because I actually think they're probably lying. I assumed it was a lie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Oh, I didn't. I was like, well, because law enforcement can easily trace that. For sure. And there's all this record of Skylar because Skylar has a um a record and has a past. So that's easily something that can be looked into, especially when you're thinking of like flight risk and stuff like that, because they have dual citizenship. So that's why I thought it was the truth. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Yeah, that's that's a hard one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

That's the that's the reasoning. That's the reasoning she gave for the signing over of the bank. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

That's kind of why I was, I just was assuming like, oh, that probably just wasn't the truth, but could be, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

And Skylar gets around. I mean, we're talking Newport to Arizona, Arizona to Mexico with this car. I mean, it could be true.

SPEAKER_04 31:14

Skylar was of Mexican descent. It is highly possible that she had a dual citizenship.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Okay. Yeah. And obviously she does know these people.

SPEAKER_04 31:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Like, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

So the next day on December 17th, Skylar is arrested and a search warrant is obtained for their garage slash apartment. Listen, there's nothing wrong with it. Um, immediately, Tom and Jackie's laptop is found along with their video camera. And in the video camera is a tape with footage of themselves out at sea.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

Until it stops and it's footage of Skylar and Jennifer's Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Wow. I mean, maybe they just threw that in there for that extra, that's that $15,000, right? Yeah, yeah. We're just gonna give you our keepsakes.

SPEAKER_04 32:04

Yeah. They also find a business card for detective Joe Bahina, who is a detective signed to Interpool. Ah, okay. This is when they learned the name John Jarvey. John also met Skylar at the Seal Beach Jail in December 2003. Just making all kinds of friends. John was a petty counterfeiter. Skylar told John that she had come from a very rich family and had a lot of big investments, and there was a big investment lined up in Mexico, and that she could get him in on it as long as he gave her a ride down there and $50,000 cash.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

See more things, I don't believe.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Right. Well, yeah, that's all criminals. Right. These are all criminals. You would think that they would hear that and go, sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Yeah. Yeah. You're you're real rich, but you're spending the night in the Seal Beach jail. Sure. So since Skylar's on this work release program, Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

But wouldn't she have to come back that night?

SPEAKER_01 33:17

You can do a turnaround trip during the day. Yeah, I guess. I mean, it's not four hour. No. Six? No. Oh, how far are they going to do that? In Sonata. Oh, okay. That I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

How far is it from here to the border? Like four hours. Two hours. Two? Two hours, girl.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

A little over, I think. Three. From Seal Beach? Yeah, from Seal Beach to the border. Because you have to get all the way through deep, all the way deep through San Diego. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Yeah. I still, I'm like, I feel like the zoo is like a two-hour drive. Yeah, and it's not that far from the zoo.

SPEAKER_04 33:49

That's true, actually. It was pretty, pretty close. So they get to Insenata and Skylar takes John to a ravine and slits his throat. And then hustles right back to jail.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

And she has the $50,000.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

She has the $50,000.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

How do we know that? Okay. I'm sure they just know this story is just known now, but she's Louise. And then she just goes back to Seal Beach Jail. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

Why, yeah, I mean, why would she even have to wait to get all the way to Mexico? Like, why not just be like, oh, pull over here? I gotta, you know.

SPEAKER_04 34:25

Probably because it's over count over the border. So maybe like this is why Interpol was involved because he the Bahina was talking, was working with the Ensenada police and bringing them in to investigate here to investigate. Yeah. So he was the Bahina was the connection between that makes sense with the Interpol thing.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Yeah. So now they're talking to Kathleen Harris, who was the notary. They brought her in five times. Her story never changed. She was at the um parking lot with them, saw the suitcase of cash, everyone signed, fingerprinted, and then the hawks took off.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

Well, not took off, but drove off. So she says that she saw them get in their car and leave after all the fingerprints and stuff were done on the paperwork, and that therefore now the boat belonged to Skylar and Jennifer. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Gosh, birds of a feather, man.

SPEAKER_04 35:20

Well, Detective Keith Crawman was over this. He knew she was lying. He said, You know what? I'm gonna go talk to her and pounded her, pressed her. He said, I know you're lying. My four-year-old can tell better lies than you. So she leaves. The next day they get a call from her attorney and said, Kathleen would like to make a statement. Kathleen had never met the Hawks. She was brought these documents and given cash to backdate the date.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Yeah, she didn't want to say because she's a notary. Like that's that's a question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Yeah. So now back to Alonzo. Yeah. That's an important stamp. So Alonzo has a change of heart, turned himself in. Oh, okay. So dropping like flies, huh? Yeah.

unknown 36:12

Good.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

So now we're gonna get into the story. This is all Alonzo's account.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

So this is what happened.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

This is what happened. Skylar convinces Alonzo that she is an international hit woman who will only kill bad people. Like Dexter? Like Dexter. And that the Hawks were bad people. And can you help kill them with me? And I will give you a million dollars. For real. For real. Yep, that's the story. Now, if you remember, this man is very fit. Tom is he's very active, he's lifting weights, he's he's muscular. They're into fitness, chilling. Yeah. So they need muscle. So they uh reach out to Skylar's friend who is coincidentally or ironically, that's not the correct word, ironically named John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Okay, so JFK is involved. JFK's involved. Um Kennedy was a founding member of a notorious Long Beach gang and a very large man. So when you just like when you buy a car, when you purchase a boat, you're gonna take it on a on a test ride. Yeah. So instead of Skylar and Jennifer, it's gonna be Skylar, Alonzo, and John.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

So Jennifer was not there. Jennifer was not there. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:43

Skylar told the Hawks that John was her accountant. John, okay. Giant John. Who I'm assuming is not wearing a suit, was her accountant. So the five people board the ship and take a test ride towards Catalina.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

After some time, John becomes seasick. So he heads below deck.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

JFK.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

JFK is seasick and heads below deck. He's down there for a little bit and Tom gets a little worried. So Tom heads down to check on him. And Skylar follows. Then Jackie hears commotion.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Of course.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

And Alonzo knows that the plan is in motion. He overpowers Jackie, handcuffs her. Skylar and John overpower Tom, handcuff him. And then now they are both. Tom is brought up, they are tied together to the bed. Forms are brought out. Jackie's pleading, saying, like, we just want to be with our grandson. Like, please, like, we just, we're good people. We just want to be with our grandson. So when they're signing the forms, Jackie knows what's gonna happen. She knows, she knows this is it. So when she signs her name, she doesn't put an S at the end. She just signs a Jackie Hawk.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

The S is added later, and you can tell it's added later, which is what the bank manager noticed. Yeah. Smart to think of that. Like in that situation, I used to tell Amber that like if I were ever had to sign a ransom note or like write a ransom note or like something. Like you're the one that has to sign it, I would like spell something incorrectly, absolutely or something that they would know. Like this, she didn't write this, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Like in Heather's where she wrote her suicide note. Yeah. And she got that word wrong on last week's vocabulary.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

Exactly, exactly. All right. So then they're brought up to deck. Skylar sets the GPS to the deepest part of the ocean, which is 3,500 feet, locates an anchor, and handcuffs them to the anchor. Tom kicks Skylar so hard that she almost fell overboard.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

And then Skylar throws the anchor overboard. Yeah. I cannot imagine. I don't want to imagine.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

No.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

I am imagining.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

I'm not even drinking this ocean drink anymore. Like that's I don't even want anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Look, I only go into the ocean on top of a longboard because it's floating. But if there's anything rough, I'm not hanging out in the water. I don't want to. I haven't gone surfing in three years now because of all the the shark talks. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

So I don't go into the ocean ever.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yeah. Meanwhile, I let my daughter just like that. I used to go all the way out there when I was a kid. I thought I was invincible. Zoe swims in the open ocean. She wants to go out there. Oh my god. And I'm I used to love it.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Yeah, but I mean she's like a junior lifeguard.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

But even when she wasn't junior guard, she was like, Mom, I'm just gonna go out, come out there with me. I was like, I can't. And I'm having a panic attack, so why don't you just come back closer? Yeah. There's a killer whale out there. There's there's something out there that's gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

We don't even know. Like, we don't even know what's like actually like we don't know everything.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

There's so many, there's so many. There's aliens. There's aliens, that's where they live.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

Get it together. Like there's things that I don't want to know about, and that maybe there's people that do know about it, but they're not telling us about it.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

No, it hasn't been explored. They explore something like a small percentage that is actually being explored.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

That's why I'm like, I'm you stay there, I'm gonna stay here. This is where we belong.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

It's really fun to go surf.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

But I will drink this actually. I have never attempted to surf.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

It's so much fun. It's so much fun. I'm just not athletic. Could you imagine me on a surfboard? Can you do yoga? Yeah. Then you'll be good at surfing. I'm just saying, that's it's literally. Yes, it is. It is.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Chodaranga.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

No.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

April 6, 2005. Jennifer is offered immunity if she tells them what happened, everything she knows, and if she testifies against Skylar.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Okay, but Jennifer wasn't there. Right. So we still know though that she was like in on it. We will know. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

So she turned it down. Two days later, she's arrested. Good. Yeah. So November 2006, Jennifer's trial starts. So a full year later. Yes. Like two years after the murder. Yeah. Yeah. Jennifer's attorney said Jennifer had no idea until long after the murder, and that she didn't come forward because she was scared of her spouse.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

Of what she would do.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

But she drove all the way to um Arizona to go and try to take that money.

SPEAKER_04 42:59

Also, Alonzo let them know that Skylar had called Jennifer before they got on the ship while they were on the ship and then after the murder. Like updating? Yes. And what to do. Jennifer was very in on this. She may not have been there physically, but she was very much there.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Yeah. So she knew. She was accessory. She was an accessor.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

Yeah. After four hours of deliberation, Jennifer was found guilty on two counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to two life terms. Uh two life sentences without the possibility of parole. Good.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Like Alonzo was selling all the stuff.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

But he got immunity.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Um Alonzo did not get immunity.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Who got immunity?

SPEAKER_04 43:41

Um they offered Jennifer immunity. But she turned it down. Okay, that's right. Yeah. Um Alonso.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

But Alonzo came forward. Correct. Yeah, he's the one that came forward. That's why it was like, what did he get offered? Like, what was it that he was bartering with the to the point where he should have been offered something. Something similar to what Jennifer was being offered because he's she knows.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

And I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

And also, why wouldn't you take that? You have children. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

In one heart. She's stupid. And evil. Alonzo pled guilty to two counts of voluntary manslaughter.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

Kidnapping and robbery. And in June 2009, he was sentenced to 20 years and four months and was paroled in 2021.

unknown 44:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

So Alonzo's out.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

He made parole.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Yes. Yeah, so I mean, that's the 20 years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

In February 2009, JFK was found guilty of two counts of first degree murder and sentenced to death. And he is currently serving in San Quinn.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

Oh. With Oliver. With everyone else. Yeah, with everyone else. Yeah. Skylar was Skyler's um trial included the Hawks and Jarby. They lumped them together and one. Okay. Okay. While awaiting trial, Skyler was charged with soliciting another inmate to murder her father and cousin. Like, give it a rest. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Because that inmate was like getting out.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Yes. And also her father and cousin were key witnesses in both murder cases.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

She's just hanging out with her father and her cousin, even though they did all that terrible stuff to her.

SPEAKER_03 45:22

Well, remember, Steve was the one that they found that was there when they were looking for Skylar. That's Jennifer's dad. That's Jennifer. That's Jennifer's dad.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yeah, that's why it was like, how did she rope her good dad into that? But her dad was just doing her a favor and she was at church.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

Her dad really had no idea. Jennifer's dad had absolutely no idea. Yeah. And then yeah, like, I mean, Skylar's dad is the one who was abusive.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

So she wants him dead, I would assume. Right. For a lot of reasons. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

I mean, fair but how and how were they with? So the cousin was actually um knew was a key witness in the Jarby case. Oh, okay. And I'm assuming knew very much about what was going on with the Hawks because they were both key witnesses. So, like, as in she wanted them dead so that they could not testify against her in these cases. Okay. I mean, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 46:11

Skylar's attorney conceded that she was responsible for all three murders and just asked not to pass down the death sentence. You want to just live in prison? April 2009, Skylar was sentenced to death.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

Okay. Behind bars, Skylar begins taking hormones. And it was confirmed in April 2023 that she had undergone gender-affirming surgery. In prison? In prison. Is that gonna be like is that is that good?

SPEAKER_03 46:47

Like, are they doing a good job? No.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

I honestly, like, when it comes to the to being in jail, I don't really know if that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Yeah. I just feel like I can't imagine getting any kind of surgery in jail. I feel like when people get sick in jail, they died.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

When she was convicted, she was in the in the men's prison.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Um, because she still had parts because her and her wife were still having babies.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. That I didn't think of that. Um, yeah, that I feel like that would be like a sketchy place to go about that.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Well, she is currently in the psychiatric hospital for her protection while she is awaiting transfer to a woman's prison.

SPEAKER_01 47:31

Because they're because they can't keep her with the men. Yeah, that's right. And they're also still not holding, upholding transferring to women's prisons. Right. No, I mean, as far as I remember, that was on some sort of ballot. Yeah. Not that long ago.

SPEAKER_04 47:46

Yeah, I do remember that.

unknown 47:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 47:48

So that's a it's a tricky one.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

Mm-hmm. Yeah. But she's still technically on death row.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

Correct. Okay. But as we've said in every other episode we've had, there's a monitorium on the death sentence. So everyone on death row is not going to die until it's lifted. Right. If it's lifted.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

Um, death row. Go tire to a fucking banker in the middle of the ocean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:18

Awful. That's yeah. No fun facts today because there's nothing fun in this case. Yeah. Although I do have a mini fun fact. It happens to be World Ocean Day today. Oh.

unknown 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Okay. Okay. Saw that this morning.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

So I'm not a fan of that. But keep them clean. Keep the oceans clean.

SPEAKER_04 48:38

Yeah, it is a fun fact. Yes, they are important.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

They are important. You know that the vast majority of the oxygen in the world comes from algae, not from trees. I did not know that. Yes. There's more oxygen generated by our algae in the oceans, and that's why we need to keep our oceans clean.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

You heard it here first, folks. I hope you're not hearing it first.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

But you guys are hearing it first, I guess. But it's true. Yeah. That's why it's such a big deal to keep our oceans. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

For the fourth time.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

I hate it. There are oceans. Look at one of the stay the turtles. Yes. Well. Just stay in there. Well, the turtles can come up. Just for just for babies. Babies go. Yeah, no. Yeah. Just for the little babies.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Stay in there. Stay in there.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Well, you know, that's why we have spiders because they crawled out of the ocean.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

Oh, don't say that.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Is that why I don't like crabs? Probably.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

I will do things. Just stay in there.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Arachnids are that's why like crabs are a part of an arachnid family. Yeah. I did a whole. I did a whole.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

They're delicious.

SPEAKER_04 49:58

They're delicious. They're portable. But they're gross, and I don't like walking past them when I take Raven to the aquarium. I'll look glad. Because then they're like this on the thing. Like it's like trying to get at me. And they're the big ones, you know what I mean? I forgot what they're called. King crabs? No, there's another one. I don't remember what it's called, but it's a giant. Yeah, I would eat it. It's a giant, it's a giant crab. It's a giant one. I'll eat it, but I don't want to look at it.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

All day. But yeah. That's where they came. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:24

Yeah, so. Bad people all around. Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Interesting. An R.I.P.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

to the Hawks.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Yeah. R.I.P.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

of the Hawks.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

They just seem like such good people. Yeah. To the Hawks. Such a soft.

SPEAKER_04 50:39

Yeah. Horrible.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

All they wanted to do was just be with their guy. Be rid of this and go be, you know, family in it's like. They had the best intention.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Yeah. Alright, are you ready to close the tab on tonight's keys? Yep. Yes, ma'am. Till next time. Don't donate these big.