Lindsay Clancy Timeline Discussion

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Okay, so let me just set this really quick because it's gonna be a situation.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay. So let's just get this out of the way. Let's just say it first and foremost. Patrick Clancy has not been charged with killing his children. No. Lindsay's defense is not claiming that Patrick killed them. In fact, her defense concedes that Lindsay caused their deaths. The fight in this trial is over whether she was criminally responsible because of her mental states. That's what we know, right? Yes. Okay. So far that's all we can know. Yeah. But naturally the internet said, cool, but what if Patrick did it? I mean, all signs are pointing to that, and that's fine. Naturally. And normally I would tell the internet to go outside and touch some fucking grass, but I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Well, you know, there are some solid points to be made.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

It's worth uh going over it, giving it a go, and like seeing, you know, what there is. So yeah, like the investigating officer should have done right away. 100%. Yeah. So instead, I said hold my beer. Or hold your wine. Cheers. Cheers. Okay. We've spent an unhealthy amount of time going through this testimony. And there's parts of this timeline that we genuinely have questions about. Yeah. That's what we're here for. You cannot have heard this timeline and not have questions. A hundred. Like that's why, that's why we are where we are right now in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

We don't even cover outside of Southern California. No, yeah. But this is too much. It's too widespread.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Yeah, we can't ignore it. No. But we are gonna do this differently. Um, we're gonna tell you uh what we actually know from court first. Uh, then we're gonna tell you what we think is weird. And then in part two, stick around. Uh, we're gonna take the Patrick theory route and see if we can actually make the bitch fit. Yeah. Right? Well, it's not gonna be hard, but there are some, you know, firm timelines, you know, within the actual timeline that we do have to fit things in between. So that is the only real obstacle there. I mean, I don't think we have to argue motive or, you know. But we will. Well, sure. We'll argue everything. It's gonna be great. What? Let's argue anything? Yeah. But before we accuse anybody of anything, let's see if the actual time limit of events on January 24th, 2023, even makes sense. Okay. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

And this is all allegedly, even if we do make an accusation. Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

It's all allegedly. You guys know how much I love to speculate. So how could I resist? Seriously. Okay, so starting at 4.02 p.m. I love these exact moments. Yes. It makes me happy. Yeah. We're obviously assuming that before, prior to 4.02 p.m., normal day. Normal day. Yeah. I mean, by all accounts, this is what I've heard. Right. Normal day. Normal day. 4.02 to 4 13 p.m., just within that broad time frame. Lindsay does a search for kids' mirror lax. So she searches kids mirrorlax and then she looks up 3V, the restaurant 3V. You know, at this point, she's just, this is normal, she's making normal household plans for the evening. Right. I mean, that's what you do. Yeah. Cora's, you know, had an upset stomach. So she's being a mom and she's looking what can make my baby feel better, right? More or less. It doesn't really tell us anything about her mental state, just what she was doing. So moving forward. Yes. 448 p.m. Okay. What we know happened there. A female caller called CVS asked about a medication for a child, and CVS says they carry Pedialax and tells her where to find it in the store. It was look, it's located on two uh separate aisles, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Well, yeah. It's CVS, it's fine, but it's a little difficult sometimes. It's a hard place to navigate. And you know what Rachel told me? Sorry, Rachel. I miss you. Um, you know what Rachel told me? You just go and you do DoorDash. Mm-hmm. And they find it for you. They find it for you. It's the best, and you don't even have to call.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

She's so smart. She is. Okay, so what's weird about this, right? Yes. Is uh later, Patrick says that he has trouble finding what Lindsay wanted, even though they gave her a fucking treasure map. And there's two places that you could have found it. Yeah. And then he also fucking buys it, right? Yep. Like he can't find it, but somehow he purchases it. And there's photographic evidence of it. Yeah. And then he also said something I thought was weird where he testified that they were out of a lot of things because it was COVID.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Right? But like two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

It's it like COVID was 2020 and it's 2023.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

I'm sorry. Where do they live?

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Is it in the past? Right. I'm like, I don't really feel I feel like by 2020, by 2023, things were like more or less back to normal. But I don't know. We were here. This is Massachusetts.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

I also don't have a small child anymore. So I don't know what's readily available to them, but I'm pretty sure that lots of kids have had tummy aches.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

In those three years.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Right. Also, just a quick side note on that. Um, this is stool softener, right? So if it was, I mean it's COVID, right? And like, aren't people trying not to shit? Because like we're out of toilet paper, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Surplus. This is what we're saying.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

So, like, I'm pretty sure that nobody's like searching for that checks out. Okay. 4 53 p.m. to 5 10 p.m. Okay. Still, these are such short little windows. Yeah. So what we know happened at this time is Lindsay and Patrick discuss getting 3V because it had been a long day and she didn't cook dinner. They choose their meals. He got some kind of like pork belly risotto.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Oh, delicious.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

And she got a Mediterranean Powerbowl. And then a female caller places the order to 3V. Okay. We know that's going on. Another just general normal interaction. And then all of her searches so far are lining up. Yeah. Yeah. So 5 15 p.m. Okay. This is the big timeline starter. So what we know happened at 5 15 is that Lindsay texts Patrick the word Pedialax. Okay. So Patrick says that she asked him to stop at CBS on his way to go pick up dinner. And Patrick cannot say exactly when he physically left the house. But isn't this still the age of cell phone pings? So yeah, I mean, that's another problem that we have is because Patrick's phone was not collected. Yeah. But either way. Because he wasn't a suspect. Right. He was never a person a person of interest. Why would why would he ever be? So here's the thing with this. So basically, people are putting this on like 515 is when he left the house. That's when the timeline starts, because that's when she texted him, Pedialax, because he told her to text him the name of the medication so that he could find it when he gets there. Yeah, uh, as wives do. I will be on the phone with my dad, and I will he'll be like, text me the name of that. Like, I'll be telling him, like, oh, ask your doctor about this or whatever. And I'll text him it while we're on the phone. I'll be on speakerphone and I'll text it to him in that moment. And we could talk for like 20 more minutes after that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like, I feel like that obviously does not tell you in any way what time he left the house.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

I think that that's entirely accurate as well.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Fair to say. I think everybody realizes that. But Patrick says that before leaving the house, Dawson was eating chicken nuggets. Lindsay was holding Callan, that he interacted with the children, and that Lindsay appeared normal, and he also stated what they were wearing before he left. Okay. In detail what their clothing was. Okay. The obvious big question here is what time did Patrick actually leave? And then we get to 5:24 PM, which is the email. Yeah. Okay. So what we know is that Patrick sent a work email. We don't know, and he didn't know. Yeah, it was real unclear to him. Yeah. If it was from his phone or from his Surface Pro, he doesn't remember. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

I still remember typing out a whole email, but I can give you detailed accounts of what my kids were eating, what they were wearing, the state of mind of my wife. But you can't remember who sent an email from your phone or your Surface Pro.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Right. And remember, we're relying solely on Patrick for this timeline and what happened during these events because he's the only one that was there. Yeah. So it's, I mean, any kind of moment where he's gonna have a lapse in that and questions could arise is obviously potentially dangerous for the prosecution for the Commonwealth.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, it's a poll in your story.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Is that your case? CVS is three minutes away from their home. Okay. So he could still have sent that email from home and had the time to get to CVS. Absolutely. He could have left the house all the way up to 5.28 p.m. That's a did an additional 13 minutes of him at the house. Yeah. And still be able to walk in the door to be seen on the camera footage. And obviously the big question here is the device, which which device was it sent from, and obviously why that matters. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

In this day and age, normally when I send something from my phone, it will say that I sent it from my phone, but there's technically like IP addresses that are connected to these things. Where are the hackers?

SPEAKER_01 10:10

You can turn off the sent from my iPhone. I believe my email sign off from my iPhone when I send it says sent from my saber pyramid. And yeah, I believe that's what mine says. I changed it quite some time ago. Oh yeah, of course you did. Yeah. So that I get is not an accurate. Your sabre? Yeah. Your sabre pyramid? Yeah. Unleash the power of the pyramid, actually, in quotations under sent from my saber pyramid.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

This is why I love her.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

I get it, I get good responses from it.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Well, we get good deals. We send good deals. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Thank you. So obviously, we're like I said, we're relying on his memory for the entire timeline. And I mean, you can't remember what rectangle you sent an email from. I don't know how we're gonna continue on that. Let's move on to 5.32 p.m. Patrick enters CVS at 5.32 p.m. We know that surveillance footage gives us a hard location on him in this moment. And there's really great camera footage of him. Correct. And Patrick does identify it has as himself on the stand in the footage under oath. Here's the the gap scenario, right? So as I said, he could have been home all the way up to 5.28 p.m. Absolutely. And that would be no gap. If he left the house at 5.28, there was no gap in between him being home, leaving home and getting to CBS. If he left at 5.15, if he left before 5.15, it makes it even a longer gap, but it's a 17-minute gap between the 5.15 PDLX text and the walking into CBS at 5.32. Yeah. But again, if he left five minutes before she sent PDLX, what if he was already on his way? Exactly. He who knows, you know, we don't know. I mean, we all live three minutes from a CVS. Everybody does.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

It doesn't take that long to go in there to do any of it, especially if his everything's self-checkout now.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yes. Yeah. Let's say, for sake of argument, um, maybe, you know, he did leave later, like we said. Maybe he sat in his car. You know, we don't have to, you know, we don't have every minute accounted for right now. So we don't know. But like, I mean, sitting in the car, like I would do this all the time. Like I would arrive somewhere and I would get a work text about being out of some liquor. And then I would sit there and try to figure out what I'm gonna replace it with, what's in stock, what can I, what are other sizes available? This, that. And now I'm late. So, you know, I it it is does happen. And if it was a work email and we do find out that it was sent from his phone, then that's probably what he very easily, not probably, but possibly what he could have been doing in that type of thing. Right. Which is completely normal. That's a normal thing to do, 100%. Okay. 5:33, 5:34 p.m. is when the phone call happens. Okay. Okay. So what we know is Patrick calls Lindsay, right? She does not answer his call. She calls him back about a minute later, and the call lasts for around 14 seconds. Okay. Patrick says that he asked her about a substitution medication because they did not have the PDLX that he purchased. Lindsay. Lindsay says yes, uh, that it would be fine. He said that she sounded quiet, busy. Well, I mean, you have three kids that are all eating. Are they eating? He was eating chicken nuggets before he left. I mean, I is I don't even know. We and I I don't remember calling him saying that he heard the children in the background. Oh, yeah, you're correct. Quiet.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

But I'm just saying, if she sounds busy, they eat you're cleaning up. You are busy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

That whole you are busy. I mean, he thinks he said that he thought maybe she was bathing the kids.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Okay. I mean, also what you do after kids eat.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

But the kids were found in the same clothes that he described that they were wearing when he left. So I mean, I don't do like would you normally put the same clothes back on them?

SPEAKER_00 14:30

That they were wearing while they were eating?

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Absolutely not. And like, wouldn't didn't you already put the pajamas? Wouldn't you have bade them before you put their pajamas on them? Absolutely. Unless maybe they were wearing their pajamas all day long.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

And because they were, I mean, she was sick, so maybe they all had a pajama day and so.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

But then like you wouldn't put the pajamas on that they were wearing all day long back on them after you took the bath, right? Absolutely not. I mean, I I don't know. I don't have kids. I mean like by the way.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

No. Um especially not if one has been sick and all of those things.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

It's just no, right? Okay. So that this testimony moment I thought was interesting. Okay. Like having to do with this call. So the prosecutor phrased the question like Lindsay answered. Okay. So basically said, you called Lindsay on the phone and she answered, right? Or something similar to that, right? Which I can't stand those kinds of questions. And initially Patrick said yes. But then Patrick corrected himself and he said, No, I'm so I'm sorry. Actually, I don't think she did answer. She called me back. Okay. And the phone records obviously support Patrick's correction of himself, which actually helps Patrick out because he is correcting something. However, this is how this entire line of questioning went. And I love me some big red, but bro, leading the witness, okay. Anyways, whatever. Don't care. She's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

But could we imagine for a moment? Because there are other things that Patrick has gotten wrong that he is unclear about, that it could be kind of a strategy of the prosecution. For sure. Like ask him something and go, wait a minute, wait a minute. No. And he already knows the answer. I just feel like that is how sneaky this prosecution is.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Right. I mean, in this exact moment, I see like there would be no reason for him to, you know, object with leading because he corrected himself already. And everything that they're like more or less stating in this within this like area of the timeline checks out. It's it's cra it's like it, they have the information. Also, he's like, I'm gonna get my crack at this. Yeah. So like let's just speed it along. Let's not interrupt, let's not make it last any longer. I get that. But for me, watching it, it was frustrating because this is how she asked every question. She didn't ask Patrick to say what happened. She said what happened and only asked him to say yes or no or correct, as he likes to say. Okay. Then 5:37 p.m. This is another hard timeline stamp that we have. It's his CVS checkout. Okay. What we know, Patrick buys Pedialax. Not an alternative generic one? Yeah. Boom. Nailed it. He also buys wildberry Skittles. So aren't you gonna eat dinner in a minute?

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I also don't like wildberry Skittles, but Yeah. You, which ones do we like? I like the OG and the sour.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

The sour. I like the sour. The sour is really good. Um, she likes a lot of um candy, and I'm not a big candy buyer, but she's been buying it, and I have been eating it and I'm enjoying the flavors that you are getting.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Uh sour sodas by Harbo, greatest candy of all time, but I'm not eating them right now, Joey. Okay, I know.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

God. Okay. 5 37 to 5 54 p.m. Okay. That's another pretty large time gap, right? So what we know is Patrick says that CVS to 3V, that journey is around 10 minutes. Okay. Okay. But about 17 minutes pass. Okay. Okay. 17 minutes. So that's seven more minutes than this uh journey should take. Okay. Put a pin in that. The big question is what happened during the extra minutes? That's where we're putting move the pin to that. Okay, put the pin there. Okay, so could be absolutely nothing. Like maybe it just took a little longer, maybe a light was out. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe there's dum-dums on the street like there always are.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Who knows? And it's Massachusetts. I don't, I don't know. We're in California. Yeah. And this is January.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

It this is January, too. Okay. There's weather. I don't know what that is. It was sweater weather. I guess.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

I guess.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

So I don't know. But if we are auditing the timeline here, that's another gap. That's right. Suspicious. Yeah. And obviously, seven minutes is not a murder weapon, but it's still seven minutes. That's plenty of time. Right. And then this is where I would kind of bring in the question. Now that we've seen him on the CVS footage, there's a time gap here. And then we're gonna see him on the 3D footage at 5.54 p.m. Yes, very clear footage there. Yeah. So this is the possible did he change clothing time frame? Well. Right. So what we're looking at in this is in the CVS footage, he's seen wearing uh what looks like a three-quarter zip fleece like sweater, a pullover? Kind of golfy sweater. Like a pullover, yeah, pullover, the fleecy, whatever. I lived, I lived in Washington. Okay, kind of next recognize what those look like. And then underneath, it looks like a white undershirt, and he's wearing like brownish, maybe. I don't know, it's black and white footage. So he's wearing boots. It looks like he's wearing boots, it does look like he's wearing boots. And then he does testify that he was taking his boots off when he came home. So I don't know. But do people in Massachusetts call their shoes boots all the time? I don't know. Call Erica. So then we are gonna fast forward to the 5 54 p.m. 3V footage. We know that he enters there. Um, he identifies himself again as it being him on the surveillance under oath. A restaurant employee also identified him as the one who picked up the food. Patrick is seen on the footage also using his phone, but he can't remember what he was doing on it.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

And we didn't take it because why would we?

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Why would we even search our husband's? But in this footage, he appears to be wearing a full zip dark jacket with a collar. What looks like it could be a gray undershirt, and this time it does look like he's wearing tennis shoes, completely different color shoes. I again we're both these, there's no color, there, we're in black and white on both of these things. And we do know that lighting can change the color of certain things in different like cameras and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, like that gray and blue dress situation that was all over the universe forever. But I mean, also just like, you know, certain light, like they're not the same, we they're not the same camera. They might not even be the same camera company. You know, the lighting in the restaurant is probably very different than the lighting in CVS because it's a restaurant versus the flare.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Right. Boots don't look like cross trainers. It's not gonna, it's not that's not a thing.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

What I would like is some field investigation here. Yes. Can we not have somebody who is wearing an um like a similar outfit? Go to CVS, see what he looks like on that camera, and documentedly not changing his outfit and go to the 3v camera and see if that if it looks the same. I mean, I know it's probably also minute, but just saying, I mean, for the sake of argument.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

I'm so sorry, but during an investigation, Jack Reacher says it the best, it is the details that matter. Right. Every detail matters.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

It does. And in this situation, if this was a different trial situation, it probably would matter. Yes. In the situation that we're in, the investigation into Patrick doesn't really matter. So we have to remember that. We're just playing devil's advocate here. Yes, absolutely. But I mean, for the armchair detectives out there, I would assume somebody would have kind of gone out there and tried to do something like that. I don't know if they could get the footage, which would probably make a difference.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

But from what I've heard, it's fairly easy to tap into security.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

True. That is that is true. Yeah. But I mean, you know, it sounds like a good it sounds like a five, it's it sounds fun to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So this obviously is another hard location anchor that we have for him. Then we go about 6.05 to 6.09 p.m., roughly within that time frame there. Patrick gets home.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

So three minutes, 10 minutes, going through the store, picking up food. Not ordering it there and waiting for it, picking up food. Yes. This is the first time. It was ready.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

It was COVID, so they have the stuff. An hour. Yeah, essentially roughly, yes. If he left at 5.15. Exactly. But now we are, because we have that discrepancy of time between 5.15 and 5.34. Yes. And then we have another discrepancy of time between leaving CVS and getting to 3V, right? Yes. So when he gets home, Patrick says that he parks next to Lindsay's car in the driveway. He carries the food and the CVS items inside. Right. How the house is unusually quiet. And that he starts looking around for everybody. Which when you have three kids shouldn't be hard. Right. So the car contradiction. Okay. Patrick says that while he was looking for Lindsay, he checks outside to see if her car is there because it uh he he wasn't sure. And he said that it was too dark to tell because her car is black if it was there or not. Didn't you just say that you parked next to her car in the driveway when you pulled in?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

I'm sorry. No car is that black where if I'm parked next to it, I can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

But this now he's saying he looked, he's checking that if it's there from inside the house, from out the window. Yeah. And he can't see if it's there because it's too dark outside and the car is black. So I don't know. Is the car in the room with us now? Yeah, it could be. Like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. If it's black, it might disappear. Right. So 6.09 p.m. Okay. Okay. Patrick calls Lindsay's phone. Okay. What we know is the call goes unanswered. Okay. Right? Patrick says that the basement light was on, but Lindsay always left the light on. So it didn't seem strange to him. So he didn't check it out.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah, but if I don't hear my children and my wife's not answering her phone, if there's a light on, I'm checking. One of those kids could have gotten hurt or locked down there. I mean, yes. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

I mean I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go hard on that in just one second because that's a really good point. He continued to go upstairs at this point. He just went on his merry way. Still looking around for everybody. Okay. So the bedroom door. He approaches it. Patrick says that the bedroom door was locked. Yes. So he gets the hidden key. Yes. And he opens the door, and that he immediately sees blood everywhere. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

He describes it like it was sprayed like a hose. Yes. Okay. Yes. He sees the open window. He takes one or two steps inside and then runs outside. Okay. Hold on. If you saw that much blood as you say, wouldn't you search the room for your murdered wife? Or anybody. It could have been anyone. But like before you assume she went out the window, um like just because you saw the open window, like I would not. Did you also run to the window? Like, I wouldn't even look at the window. Yeah. There's this much blood. This is a murder scene. Yes. Like, I would be like, where is lit? Like, where I would look search the room. I wouldn't just walk two steps in and run out to the outside, assuming that she's outside. There's blood literally nowhere else. Like, I I mean, I would search the room and make sure that she's not in there unless you knew she wasn't. Especially because I mean, at that point, my wife is dying somewhere. It's a wild assumption. We just don't know that he ran outside. Yes. Yes. Wild assumption.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

That sh that I don't, I don't, I mean, why wouldn't you, instead of going outside, then go to the lit basement, where's the only place that looks like there could be anything and look there.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

And then when you don't find your murdered wife in the room, wouldn't you kind of skip over her? Yep. And start looking for your children and wondering if someone took them because the house is quiet. Right? The house is quiet. You're, I mean, like, wouldn't you be like, oh my God, my wife is murdered. Yep. She's not in here. My children, I can't hear them. The house is quiet. They're nowhere to be found. Her car is here. Wait, somebody kidnapped them.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Yeah, absolutely. How what and she's not answering her phone, you know, so even if she was injured, she wasn't in there. Maybe one of the kids had got so many things.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

We skip right to she went out the window, obviously. Yes. Because it was open. And then, like, that's it. Yeah. You still don't search for your children. I don't I mean, for me, I don't know. That's a wild a wild assumption. And it's like, I don't my, I don't know, people are different, I guess. I don't know. Panic makes people do things. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, people it also makes people believe that there's way more blood in the room than what there is.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

And so then the later crime scene testimony comes, and we know that the jury sees the bedroom scenes. Uh, the blood was documented. Yes. And law enforcement agrees there was no blood on the walls. Um, so obviously, again, this all could be trauma language. Sure. Absolutely. It could be an exaggeration of memory. Again, I don't know. We don't know how what was going through his head. He knew her better than obviously anybody else. Yes. And the reality is, like, maybe there had, I mean, but for him to jump right into her being like out, not murdered and like jumped out the window, wouldn't you not leave your kid alone with her? I just, I just feel like the the whole situation, it just gets a lot of tied up for me.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

I mean, it really does, especially if you go by the nanny also testified. And even though she knew that she was taking medication and she knew that Lindsay was experiencing something, she was very vocal about the fact that she was struggling, she would never, ever think that she would hurt her kids. And I mean, this is a nanny whose job it is to care for children. And they're outside of the relationship. They're not the husband that's like, no, I love my wife, has blinders on, all those things. This is an outside person.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Lindsay outside, after he immediately runs outside.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Um Into the Dark.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Yes. Into the dark where he couldn't even see a car.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Can't even see a view. Yeah, I'm gonna find my wife. Yeah. And like obviously he runs right directly to the spot where she's would have landed from the bottom of that window. Yep. Okay. Because there's no other place she could have been. Right. Lindsay, uh, Patrick says that Lindsay speaks to him and says, I tried to kill myself. And then he asked where the kids are, and she said, in the basement, right? She does not tell him that they are injured or that they are dead. She just says they're in the basement. 6 11 p.m., Patrick calls 911. Okay. Okay. He says that the first attempt didn't work and that his phone was quote, switching from Wi-Fi to 911. I went back and I re-watched his testimony in this moment twice because I wanted to know exactly what he said. And he said switching from Wi-Fi to 911. He did not say switching from Wi-Fi to cell service. Yeah. He did not say, he said switching from Wi-Fi to 911. Direct quote. I just thought that was very an interesting way to put that. I don't understand. The big questions about this. Were the failed attempts at calling 911 recorded? Can they be recorded? How many? Yeah, because like when you call, like call, it it goes red, right? Like on your log? Any any so um, how many attempts did he make at calling 911? What were the times on those attempts? And how long before the successful connection to 911 went by? Okay. Why don't we have his phone? I again, I know why, I know why, I know why, but it's just frustrating for these reasons. But Patrick is not on trial. Okay. That is why. I know that.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Only unharmed individual in a house where everybody is dead or injured. Yeah. Um, okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

About 6.15, 6.16 p.m. Okay. The first responders arrive. Good. Okay, that's quick. They were able to get there pretty quick. Great time. Yeah, great timing. What we know about this is the responders, the responders arrive. They treat Lindsay outside. Yes. Patrick then goes back inside. Okay. So Patrick stayed outside with her after he was told where the kids are. Okay. He didn't go and look for the children right away? He stayed outside. They're not making any noise. Your children aren't making any noise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

So again, we're gonna, I'm gonna just I mean, look, it even if say that he didn't do it. Yeah. Let's say this. This man has the worst protective instincts of anyone. That doesn't sound like a East Coast or Massachusetts man.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Yeah. Now we have the basement. Okay. Patrick now goes to the basement and he says that he finds Cora, then Callan, then Dawson. Okay. He says that he removes each band from their necks as he finds them. Okay. He's not screaming to the first responders yet. The first responders say that they do hear Patrick screaming. Okay. Um, then they enter the basement. One responder sees Patrick through the basement window, handling or removing a band. Okay. Lindsay landed right next to the basement window. So she's laying. That's how he saw. That's how the first responder, the first responder was with Lindsay, and he looked and saw he could see Patrick from that window. So if he could see Patrick, couldn't Patrick see the kids? And if she said they're in the basement, wouldn't you know? Oh, let me like just look in the basement window really quick from where I am. 100%. I mean, just a theory. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

I'm just because we're already speculating. Literally right outside. Yeah, I'm not joking. That's what I was going to say. But we speculated that our wife jumped out the window. And our wife is now telling us that she's trying to kill herself and our kids are in the basement. Yeah. Your first instinct is going to be to look in the fucking clear window and see if my kids are okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

They're not making any noise. That's what I mean, that's where my head goes. Um, so this is where the tiny becomes extremely important. Okay. The outcome here, Cora, bless her soul, cannot be revived. Dawson, bless his soul, cannot be revived. Callan initially had no effective pulse, but eventually circulation is restored. Yes. And then bless his soul, he dies three days later from catastrophic brain injury or just not getting brain um function.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

But he uh but with someone his age, right? He would have to have that kind of life support given to him within a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

We're gonna we're gonna yes, we're gonna get to that.

unknown 35:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Because that's a big theory. Actually, that theory, we don't even get to the theory still part two. So we gotta admit, we're gonna. Lindsay survives. She was non-responsive, according to every, nearly every first responder that was on the stand.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

And barely, I would like to put out, has cuts on her.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

She was profoundly hypothermic and had an uh around an 82 degree body temperature at the hospital and was also paralyzed. So let's do this bombshell roundup really quick, okay? And then we're gonna wrap up part one. So these are bombs, these are court bombshell moments that I think are worth bringing up. That was the timeline that was given to us. We just went through that. These are some bombshells. So the Apple Watch was not initially collected as evidence, right? Exact strangulation times are unknown. Callan obviously was initially revivable. Lindsay's body temperature at 82 degrees. Big bombshell. Highly suspicious. Yes. Then some of these other bombshells that come in that we haven't discussed because they weren't part of the timeline of that day. So insanely significant. Right. Browsing was found on Patrick's associated computer. Yes. Forensic witness could not say who was using that computer. The defense presented evidence challenging whether Lindsay was even home during that activity. Right. This is when, you know, they were like doing the whole search testimony about whether the Google searching that was done for Unaliving Yourself, jumping off the bridge, uh, Tom Hall Spotify hit, which was an artist that Patrick listened to who did Unalive himself. And he looked up how he did it and that it was jumping, and then things kind of spiraled from there. And the time frame that this searching was done was in the same time frame that Lindsay would have been getting one of the children to the doctor's appointment that day. And it was also logged in her Facebook. Yes. But it was the surface pro, right? Yeah. So he it was him logged in. Yes. So I don't know. That was an interesting moment. I feel like that, and then that's when we were like, they were like, take the weekend off. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot to absorb. Yeah. So, okay. Those are the facts. Well, most of them. Most of that is the facts. And then there was a lot of shit talking. Yeah. Um, now in part two, we're gonna do what the internet has been begging everyone to do and assume that Patrick was involved and see if we can actually make the timeline work uh with a couple different scenarios of that being possible. Yes. So before you watch part two, which part of this timeline bothers you the most? Honestly. Like there's so many. Yeah. We'll see you in part two. Yes.