The Power of Resilience: What Comes After Tragedy? with Ron Gold

What do you do when your entire life changes in an instant?

In this powerful episode of Managing Difficult People, Adam Holbrook sits down with resilience expert, TEDx speaker, entrepreneur, and former Wall Street executive Ron Gold, whose life was forever changed after a devastating cycling accident left him paralyzed.

Ron shares his incredible journey from managing global sales teams on Wall Street to rebuilding his identity after being told he would never walk again. Together, Adam and Ron explore what resilience truly looks like beyond the motivational quotes, including how to overcome devastating setbacks, rebuild your mindset, find purpose after tragedy, strengthen relationships, ask for help without losing your independence, and continue moving forward when life doesn't go according to plan.

Ron also opens up about the emotional battle of accepting a new reality, how his wife and family became the catalyst for his transformation, the importance of taking small steps toward recovery, and why purpose is often discovered through serving others. He explains how post-traumatic growth, perseverance, and stepping outside your comfort zone can help anyone create a meaningful life, no matter what obstacles they face.

Whether you're facing a personal loss, career setback, health challenge, or simply feeling stuck, this conversation will remind you that while you can't always choose what happens to you, you can choose how you respond.

Because resilience isn't about pretending life isn't hard.

It's about refusing to let hardship define your future.

Stronger leadership starts with better communication.

Learn how to manage conflict, set boundaries, and lead with confidence.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

If you've ever worked with someone who creates chaos, plays the victim, and blames everyone else, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Adam Holbrook.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Welcome to the Managing Difficult People Podcast. I am your host, Adam Holbrook. Today, in the studio, I have the one, the only, Mr. Resilient himself, Ron Gold. Ron Gold spent 25 years on Wall Street before a cycling accident left him paralyzed and forced him to rebuild his life. Today he's a speaker, a writer, and founder of Lean On We Home Care. He's a TEDx speaker and creator of the new Gold Standard. He writes and speaks about resilience, reinvention, and what comes next. Please welcome to the studio Ron Gold. Thank you, Adam.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

It's great to be here and what a great introduction. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

No problem. I'm so excited that you're in the studio with me right now because I gotta tell you, I have known Ron for a few years and I have never met anybody more resilient than Ron. He's gonna take us through his accident, which has left him paralyzed, and his life has been flipped upside down and how he recreated himself. But before we do that, I want to ask you, Ron, who was Ron Gold before the accident?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

I was someone who was driven, who had a picture in their life of where they wanted to be as they grew older. And it was all about an engaging and a stimulating and a career that really kept me going. And I had that. And I had a great family, three girls, lots of travel, an exciting full life. That's what I had. It was the life I pictured for myself back when I was in college, thinking about where I wanted to go with my life. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

And then comes this cycling accident, which flipped your life upside down. Could you take us through that?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yeah, so my life, I had this simulating career on Wall Street. I managed the sales desk at Lehman and Barclays. My area of specialty was Asia. I traveled frequently out of the region. And I was also, I wouldn't call myself a competitive athlete. I was competitive with myself. It was all about staying in good shape, being strong, pushing myself whenever I did my athletic activities. And that was skiing, and that was running, and that was bicycling. I loved cycling. I loved getting out and just pushing myself with a group of friends on a beautiful weekend morning, going up through the suburbs where I lived into the more rural areas further north. And that's what I was doing on this day. It was Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend, 2011. I went out with a group of friends. It was unseasonably warm. And I remember thinking to myself, oh, I have to go out and do something on this day. Maybe it'll be golf, maybe it'd be cycling, but it was too good a day not to go out on my bike. So we went out with a group of friends. We went up to Harriman Park, which is uh it's about 50 miles.

unknown 3:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

We went up, we were almost home, just a few miles to go. And all of a sudden, my eyes, they were locked on Zach's rear wheel. I was just inches behind him. I was drafting. He shouts, I look up, because I hadn't been looking at the road ahead. I was looking at his wheels to make sure I didn't fly into him. And all of a sudden, I see an SUV barreling at me. I'm like, wait, what's going on? It's a beautiful day. All of a sudden, a car is coming at us and it's crossing a solid yellow line in front of me. I was thinking, it's gonna swerve back into its lane. You think about those moments late at night when you're a little bit drowsy and you just sort of lose it for a moment and then you over-exaggerate back into your lane. That's what I thought was gonna happen. But she didn't swerve back to her lane. She kept coming and she hit me head on without ever breaking. And that's the last thing I remember.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Wow. And do you remember after you got hit or did you wake up in the hospital? What happened there? They said I got goosebumps listening to this.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

They said I was screaming at her. Expletives, whatever. Why did you do this? What were you thinking? But I don't remember any of that. What happened was an ambulance came, took me to the nearest field at Saddle River Day, and there a helicopter landed and took me to Hackensack, the nearest trauma unit. I don't remember any of this. I got there, I wasn't none of the surgeons thought I'd survive. I was placed in an induced coma so they could operate on me. And the next thing I know was several weeks later when I woke from that induced coma. And I couldn't speak because I had been intubated. And I don't know if you remember those games where you like you would write on a cell pane as a young kid, and then you would open it and it would erase and you would write something else. Well, that's what I was doing. That's how I was communicating with my wife, Betsy, and the surgeons. And I was confused. I had this post-fentanyl fog because they had given me all the fentanyls for the pain, and I had had all these hallucinations when I was in that coma. And then they told me I was paralyzed and I'd never walk again. And I I was like, what are you talking about? That can't be. I was just going for a ride. I don't know what I believed. I was literally in that fog. And even after this, for weeks, I was in the hospital almost two months in the ICU in total. I was confused about what was really going on. And in my heart, I was like, I'm gonna walk again. Come on, this can't be. And even after I got out of the hospital, months later, I had to go back to the neurosurgeon, and he had to tell me explicitly, you're never gonna walk again. It was something I didn't want to and I couldn't process.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Is that the point when you went back to the neurosurgeon the second time that you knew your old life was over?

SPEAKER_01 6:56

I knew it before that, but this was maybe putting an exclamation point on it to tell me that it was done. I mean, I could tell in the hospital. I mean, I was going through numerous surgeries, even after the initial rush for surgeries. And I must have had two dozen surgeries while I was in the hospital. And, you know, they were working, they were saving my life, they took my spleen out, they were trying to save my leg, which was iffy one way or the other. They had to stabilize the spine and they had to fuse it and operate it on my fingers and on my shoulder, and it was a mess. Like I said, I didn't fully appreciate all this at the time. It was only afterwards. And then after two months, I was discharged and I went to rehab for three months. So there's another whole stretch.

unknown 7:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

And the thing about rehab is the goal is no longer to heal you, but it's to teach you how to live a life as a paralyzed person. And whoa, that's a wake-up call.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

How are you angry? Did you want to call this woman up on the phone? Did you ever speak with her? Talk to us about those emotions that you were feeling.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I was angry. I was pissed. But at the same time, I was more concerned with my health than you know, my feelings towards her. And no, I never spoke to her. She never spoke to me, she never apologized for what she did. And in fact, there was a trial, and she hired a really good lawyer, and excuse my skepticism, but they came out and said she had a neurological episode that had never manifested itself. Previously, she was not at fault, and the judge bought it. And the ADA, the Bergen County ADA, was lousy, and she got off, and she never even lost her license.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Ron, what was harder? Was it the physical recovery? I mean, because that to me is what you experienced and what you were going through is just more than anyone should have to experience in their life. What was harder? The physical recovery or the psychological identity shift?

SPEAKER_01 9:14

It was both. You know, they went hand in hand. But I have to say, as I got physically stronger and I was able to do more things on my own, that certainly improved my emotional makeup because I had confidence that I could sort of do things. And you know, that was a long process. I mean, I remember when I was in rehab, the first time that physical therapy came up to me and asked me to sit up on my own, I passed out. And I was like, oh my God, this is going to be some journey. But over time, when things progressed, like I was able to drive and I was able to go places on my own. And then I was able to go from that initial big conversion van, which reeks of disability, to driving a regular car with hand controls. It was a process along that continuum to allow me to do some more things on my own. And that helped my emotional well-being as well. And at the same time, I would say having a better mindset increased my ability to physically get stronger. So one doesn't happen without the other.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, I mean, Ron, what you went through, I mean, in the small things that we take for granted, that I take for granted, like driving a car, like going for a walk outside, and then you got Mr. Resilient over here that is just so in your mindset now. Your mindset's so strong now. You can do anything. And I know that you recently did a marathon, you did a cycling marathon in Manhattan. Am I right saying that?

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Yes. I've done the New York City marathon the last three years. This guy's got you know, supercharged.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

He will keep going. No is not an answer for him. He just keeps charging forward. People throw around. Look, that's the only way to be. What else are you gonna do? What's the other alternative, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:17

You know, not a day goes by where I don't wish I could go back to the life I had. But I can't, and I have to find other things that engage me. Do you know that every time I drive, I have to roll up to the car, transfer into the driver's seat, take my chair, flip it to its side, take it apart, pick it up, put it over me onto the passenger seat, and do the same with each wheel. And that's the way I need to go everywhere I go. But I have no alternative because if I didn't do that, I'd stay home all day. And I don't want to do that. And believe me, I miss all the things I used to do. This time of year, when I see all my friends traveling and talking about their summer travel plans, that kills me. I used to love to go places, and I didn't want to just go to Paris to see. I mean, yes, I'd love to go to Paris to see Paris, but it was about experiencing places in a visceral way and hiking and walking around a city or it kills me. But I can't do it, and I'm committed to doing whatever I can do, yeah, because this is what I have, and I don't want to make it seem like this mindset happened, you know, in a hockey stick kind of way, because it absolutely didn't. It took me over a year, maybe two years, before I started changing my mindset. And it was a lot about my wife saying to me, Look, this is the way it is, this family's moving on. We need you to be the husband and father you were, and we need you to take you on this ride with us. And I realized that my kids and my wife needed me. They needed me to be as much of the husband and father I had been as I could be. And that's, you know, life doesn't flow in that nice, sweet path the way we maybe imagine as we're kids when we read nursery rhymes or some such thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

So you recognized it wasn't about all about you anymore. Your wife made you say, Hey, look, we need you as the father. I need you as the husband. And I need you to just try to accept where you're at and just try to be resilient. I mean, think about myself and how I'm resilient, but I complain. I'm like, my gosh, how long is this gonna take in every business that I've built? And how many to our listeners, how much are we actually resilient or we just give up in life because it's just too hard? And you got a guy here that's paralyzed, that's running marathons or not running, he's cycling marathons, he's not giving up. And it's just a testament to know that you know what, life can be hard, and life is gonna be hard. But no matter what, we've got to keep going and keep building on something. I mean, you're on this business, this speaking journey. If I've heard you speak before, and your story is just so motivating for people that are, you know, stuck in life and they may be stuck in where they want to go, and then you just keep on reminding them, hey, look, I struggle every single day, and I've learned to make this work, and I'm resilient, and I just keep going because we don't have another choice. My question for you, Ron, is people throw the word around resilience a lot. What does resilience actually feel like when you're living it?

SPEAKER_01 14:51

I don't think about the word resilient that much. I think a lot that, you know, we are here, right here, and now, and we need to make the best of things. And the way I pictured that or the way I envisaged that before was very different. It was about the career, it was about certain things with the family, it was putting myself out of my comfort zone professionally, but also physically. The idea of, oh, I would go trekking in the Himalayas, or I would climb Kilmanjaro, or something like that. And I can't do that anymore. But there's a value in pushing yourself out of your comfort zone, whatever it is. And for me, the speaking journey that you refer to is part of that pushing myself out. It's hard. It's a lot harder even than I thought it was. I thought, hey, here I am, a guy with a big story, everybody's, and I can articulate it pretty well. So yeah, people want to hear it. But speaking is so much more than that, and I've learned that along the way. It's about crafting a story, and it's about connecting with the audience in a real visceral way. And it's not just about telling something, but that's the thing. When you put yourself out of your comfort zone, you find out what you're actually capable of. And here, if I'm this guy in a chair and I'm capable of this, imagine what all of you out there who are physically strong can do if you put your mind to it.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

For our listeners, Ron, that are listening, and you said that your wife gave you that inspiration in the beginning to say, hey, snap out of it. But for our listeners that want to have a better mindset, but they don't know where to start, what would you recommend to them? How do you start? Where did you start when your wife said those words to you? It was it just a shift in your brain? Did you start reading books? How did you begin that journey? And I know it's a messy journey, but how did you start?

SPEAKER_01 16:49

It is a messy journey. I think there wasn't any one thing. I think I did a number of those things. I did read. I wanted to read and try to understand what different people who had gone through something maybe similar or related to what I'd gone through, how they went through it, or how they put words to it. You know, for example, one thing I read about is something called post-traumatic growth, where there's a psychological thinking around when people go through traumatic injuries, frequently, at the other end, there is growth. They think about things differently, their mindset is stronger. I think in some ways you can go one of two ways. It feels almost binary. You can lean into that mindset, or you can just let it go and say, you know, this is what happens, and I'm gonna make the best of it, or not. And I read about other people and some of the incredible things they've done, and I watched videos, and I thought a lot about grit and perseverance and purpose. And I think if you find purpose, and that's another off-used term, and it can mean many different things to many different people, but if you can find purpose, you can go through roadblocks that you would never imagine you can. And that's so good, Ron.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Now, if you have these relationships before you know you're on Wall Street, you're working, you have probably friends, you're hanging out with people all the time, then the accident happens. And I'm sure friendships are starting to shift. Families may be different as well. Can you tell us how those relationships started to change? Did people start, I don't know, pitying you, or did they keep their distance? What would you have liked for them to do? Because a lot of times we get into these accidents and we don't actually know exactly how we should respond. What would be some advice that you can give us?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

You have to be level-headed about the whole thing. You have to take a step back metaphorically and think about where you are and what has happened and how you're going to work your way through. You need to think about what it takes in an incremental basis to get to where you want to get to. And even though it may feel impossible or improbable, you just sort of have to take that one step after the other step and build those small little habits. And for me, you know, that started with physical therapy. I had at my home after the accident, and it was just starting to work out again and get a little bit stronger each day and push through whatever you could do.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Yeah, and what about the relationships? Did you notice your relationships start to shift after the accident?

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yes, I absolutely saw a relationship started to shift. And we all have many different relationships from all different parts of our lives. And I'd say I had a lot of relationships, and for the most part, they were great, and they were there for me when I needed them, and each person had a different role and a different aspect and part of my life. And I knew that they were there for me and they were rooting for me and they would do what they could. On the other hand, there were certain people who didn't know how to deal with me anymore. Maybe our relationship was too centered around activities that I could no longer do, whether it was golf or skiing or just hanging out. I couldn't even get into the houses anymore. And they didn't make the effort because they didn't want to deal and they didn't know how to deal. And those relationships fell by the wayside. And there were quite a few of those, but they were in the vast minority. But I could tell right away when somebody no longer could deal with me as a guy in a wheelchair anymore. It's perfectly clear to you.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Ron, do you struggle with asking for help? I'm sure you're very self-reliant right now. What do you need help with? And how do you ask for help? And do you struggle with because it sounds like you have been resilient, you have been taking care of your family, and now not everything is as easy as it used to be. Probably even like cooking a small meal, is there's a lot of steps involved. How do you feel that your life has changed in there? And you know, do you struggle with asking for help?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

It's a balance. It isn't easy to ask help gracefully. It takes strength to ask people to do things for you that you once did for yourself without losing a sense of who you are in the process. So if there's anything I can do on my own, I want to do it on my own. You know, the driving or all kinds of different examples. Anything I can do. But there are sometimes I have to understand that it doesn't make sense for me to do this on my own. And if I don't ask for help. Like I said earlier, I'm just gonna stay home. And that's not helping anyone. So, you know, it's a balance like so many things in our life. You have to think about you know, can I ask this person for help? Sure. And are they willing to give it to me? Yeah, and I'm gonna take that help.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

I I remember when I saw you, it was the winter time, and we had a Toastmasters public speaking meeting, and you pulled up your car, and I actually got to see how you get in and out of your car and maneuver. And I remember the plows didn't plow the handicap parking spot, the whole situation, they didn't have you know handicap accessibility there, and everything had just been so messy. But how you navigated that was just absolutely incredible in the small things that we take for granted every single day. This guy is just, and yet you didn't complain, Ron. You didn't complain. You're just like, this is who I am, this is what I do. You want people to respect the parking situation and you want people to, you know, honor that? Hey, look, if this is a handicapped spot, don't park there. That's a spot for me because now I got to figure this out. But you just got gritten. You just keep going. And that's just a testament to who you are as a person. And I'm so grateful to know you. Has your definition of success changed since the accident?

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Oh, for sure. I mean, before my definition of success was you know becoming a managing director at work, you know, which I achieved. But now I understand that my connection and with everybody else is a big part of my success. If I can move people and if I can get people to think about things differently, not just to think, oh, think about a guy in a wheelchair and be cognizant of that, but to also lean into themselves, reach into themselves and push themselves much further than they ordinarily would do. You know, when they see a guy, you know, this guy here in a wheelchair, he's doing all this. What am I complaining about? And if that I can get them to push themselves out of their comfort zone and achieve, because I really do believe people are much more capable than they realize. They are much more powerful than you realize, both mentally and physically, but particularly mentally. And if I can get them to change their attitude, I'm achieving success in a way I never would have imagined.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

So being uncomfortable is part of the growth process. And that you're gonna fail, right? You're knowing you're gonna fail, learning from those lessons, being able to continue to work on yourself. And you know, what Ron's doing is reading, and he is doing outreach and just trying to become the better version of himself. He's working on his speeches, he's racing around New York City doing marathons. This guy is on fire. Now, you probably have no fears. I mean, you've been through, you know, hell and back. Does anything still scare you?

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Sure, things still scare me, but in a much different way. And most of the things that might have scared me before no longer do. I mean, sort of like I've had all this thrown at me already. What else can it be? What else can I encounter that's gonna scare me? I think what scares me is the toxic political discourse we have in our society now. It saddens me, and it scares me because I feel like people from different parts of life, different parts of the country can't speak to each other in the same way they used to. And it's very distressing.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yeah. And I know that sometimes we just have all of our different beliefs and political views, and you know, I talk about this a lot in my speeches as well, is being able to connect with people that are different than us is one of the most magical things. But it's crucial, right? But at the same time, sometimes we are so opinionated because of maybe how we were raised or you know, our upbringing, or any other, you know, and we want to prove that we're right and the other person's wrong instead of just listening to the other person and connecting to other people. And me included, I used to want to try to find my tribe and only hang out with people that thought and saw the world the exact same as I did. And that's why one of the reasons I started this podcast, I want everyone to be around people and hear other people's stories to say, you know what? I don't have it all figured out. Maybe my view on the world isn't right, and maybe there's a little bit of truth to this other person, and instead of being so opinionated, we can actually try to respect one another and love one another and still disagree, but not always be trying to plow our beliefs down the other person's throat.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Ron, tell us about your nonprofit, who you serve with it, and what it is.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

It's actually not a nonprofit, but what lean on we, this is lean on we home care is an outgrowth of the care I needed when I first came home from the hospital. And I was frustrated with my options. Because if you think about your parents or grandparents, as they get older, there are sort of two options when they're looking for extra help at home to stay at home safely. Use a home care agency that will hire someone and send that caregiver out to your home, but you'll have no choice in the caregiver coming into your home. Or you just go via word of mouth on Facebook or whatever and find someone. And you'll have choice, but you won't be able to vet that person. And we wanted a hybrid. You know, we saw all these different businesses online, marketplace companies connecting a provider and a customer. And we figure, well, why can't we do something similar? So, what we do is we match older adults looking for care with caregivers they hire themselves privately and directly. And we've helped over 2,000 families throughout the greater New York area get better and more affordable care. So that's incredibly invigorating and empowering to understand that we've had that kind of impact on people.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Ron, for so long I was chasing wealth and money, and you might have been with your first career as well. And then when we find out this purpose in life and it's to serve other people and help people, to me, serving 2,000 people and helping them find the care that they need is way more crucial than and serving our purpose than trying to go up the financial ladder and make more money. It's a true inspiration in who you are. Doesn't it feel so much better to serve other people?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

It does. Let me give you an example. I went back to the hospital, Hackensack, where they saved my life several times as part of their grand rounds where they bring in surgeons and other doctors and they discuss different things. And I told them my story. And all these surgeons who had worked on me were there. And the thing is, when a doctor works on a helps heal a traumatic patient, they're right there in the hospital. And once that patient leaves, they never hear about that patient again. It's a disconnect. So I went that back there as a guy who they all remembered because I was a big case, and they had worked and saved my life. And I told them everything I've done since, and all the people we've helped at lean on we and all the people I've inspired and encouraged through my words. And it was like, whoa, the ripples of what they do spread so far beyond anything they could have imagined. And that was an incredible moment for me and certainly for them.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

That's amazing you went back because a lot of times they think that they're releasing you and they don't truly know what your life is like and how you're actually making the best of the life that you're living. My my mom had a stroke and a heart attack, and she wrote a letter to the doctor that saved her. It's just nice to be able to hear what you're actually, what your impact is, and you're serving these 2,000 families that may not have gotten the right care that without your business. I think this is just a testament. Such so good. I have two more questions for you, Ron. What advice would you give to someone whose life just fell apart?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

I think it's some of the things we spoke about before. You can't bite everything off to claw back what you had. You have to go piece by piece by piece and grab what you can at that time, and then over time grab a little bit more. But you need to find something that drives you, something that purposely pushes you forward to motivate you to find that. And for me, it was a slew of different things. It was yes, starting a business and helping people. It was getting back into sports by doing those marathons or rowing in the head of the Charles, which I did. And it's reconnecting and strengthening the relationship with all my friends. And speaking is something that I feel that my it feels good to know that my message empowers people.

unknown 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

And I don't know what it's going to be. For everybody is going to be different. You just need, you know, I had one speaker who was injured who told me, you know, yes, there are a thousand things I can no longer do, but there are 10,000 I still can. And whatever, you know, those numbers were just thrown out, but whatever it is that you can still do, you got to grab a hold of that and something that pushes you forward. We all have something.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

The next question is kind of just a follow-up and a piggyback on what you just said is when you people hear your story, when you're speaking on stage, what do you hope that they take away? And I think you said inspiration, but do you want to add anything else into that?

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Yeah, I mean, inspiration is sometimes an overused term. I just want people to think about themselves, dig into themselves, and say, hey, what am I doing? What am I doing with my life? What else could I be doing? And what what can I achieve while I'm here and make the most of things and not go through life half-assed. Because we have this incredible gift to be here and we need to make the most of it, and it's something we need to think about a lot because our general sense is you're just gonna go through with it. But if and if you can see this guy who took the bull by the horn, then maybe you will too.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

I love that. What's listeners, what's one small step that will move you in that next spot? Is it making a list? Is it starting your own business and creating a website? What's that one thing that we can do to move us forward? Because Ron doesn't have any excuses, and sometimes I make excuses too, but just one way to move us forward. And if we do that one little thing today, they it compounds, and before we know it, we're moving in that right direction and we're closer to the life that we want. Ron speaks and he writes, and you should follow him. I'm gonna give you an opportunity to tell our audience where they can find you, how they can hire you. You speak on resilience, reinvention, and what comes next. If this message, if Ron's message deeply connects with you and you want to hear more, how can our audience find you?

SPEAKER_01 34:06

You can find me on my website, which is rongold.live, or you can find me on Substack under my name Ron Gold. And either one of those, I try to write something every week, and I'm working on my book now, and I hope to have it out in the fall, and we'll see what happens next.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Amazing. Rongold.live, right? And check him out on Substack as well. Ron, do you know the name of the book that's coming out?

SPEAKER_01 34:37

I don't yet.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Okay. We'll see. We'll look for it. Thank you so much for joining us today. I'm so grateful to have you on the show. And that's it for today's episode of the Managing Difficult People Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Thanks, Adam.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

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