Good Enough is Great! Feat. Lucy Llyod

Join host Abby and her guest Lucy Llyod for the first-ever episode of We'll Create! They discuss Lucy's costume designs for Appalachian State University's production of Oh to be Pure Again by Kira Rockwell. This production was put on by the Department of Theatre and Dance from February 25 to March 1, 2026, in Boone, NC. 

Transcript

Abby 0:00

Welcome to the We'll Create Podcast. This is the show where I interview creative people about cool projects that they've made. From backstage theater designers to local film studios to creative writers and everyone in between. This is your one stop shop for creativity. Let's get creative. Hello and welcome to the very first episode of the We'll Create Podcast. I'm your host Abby. Today I have my great friend Lucy Llyod joining me. We are going to be talking about her designs. She's a costume designer. She is a design tech major at Appalachian State University, and she is an apparel design merchandising minor. Lucy, hi.

Lucy 0:59

Hi! I'm so happy to see you, Abby.

Abby 1:01

I'm so happy you're here. I'm so excited that you're my first guest on this podcast.

Lucy 1:05

I know. I've never done something like this before.

Abby 1:08

This is so fun.

Lucy 1:09

I'm so excited.

Abby 1:09

I know. Because this is audio only, you guys can't see that we have really cool cowboy hats on.

Lucy 1:15

Mine is pink and it lights up, but I didn't turn on the lights because I knew they would distract me.

Abby 1:21

It also has a little crown on it. True. Yeah. Mine is white and like holographic. I bought it for my Barbie costume a couple years ago.

Lucy 1:29

Stunning.

Abby 1:30

Yeah. Anyway, I'm I'm so excited you're here. I'm so excited we're doing this. This is so exciting. I just got my microphones yesterday while we're recording. So, Lucy, let's get let's jump into it. Yes, let's. How do you identify as an artist?

Lucy 1:46

Interesting. I would identify as a multidisciplined artist. I think I have a lot of artistic skills in a lot of different areas of art. Career-wise, I am a clothing designer, seamstress, sometimes patterning.

Abby 2:04

You've done props before too, right?

Lucy 2:05

Oh yes, and props, and props. I love to do a little bit of everything. I love to draw. I love to paint in my free time. I've been like taking really cool classes in college. That's made me learn about different art forms and stuff. I learned woodworking. If there's anything kind of crafty to it, I'm gonna like it. You know, I'm a big, I'm a big crafter.

Abby 2:28

Yeah. I love I love crafting.

Lucy 2:30

So I would say I identify as a crafter.

Abby 2:34

Multi-disciplinary crafter. Yes, yes. Perfect. And so what are we talking about today?

Lucy 2:42

Well, I'm gonna talk about the production that I have been working on these past few months. It was assigned to me as a technical theater major. I am costume designing for our spring, our very first spring show of the semester called "Oh to Be Pure Again" by Kira Rockwell, who is actually going to be talking back on opening night. Like after the show. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah, I'm going opening night. So I can see that. But that's so cool. It's a really great play. It's about a girls' Christian summer camp in Texas, and it's all about learning about who you are as you grow up and you know the struggles of being a young woman in religious settings.

Abby 3:24

Nice.

Lucy 3:25

So I'm so excited.

Abby 3:27

What decade is this?

Lucy 3:28

This is in 2010.

Abby 3:30

Oh wow.

Lucy 3:31

And so I'm doing the costume. I'm doing the costumes for it, and I've been having so much fun since it takes place in 2010. I wanted it to be authentic because 2010 outfits are iconic as heck.

Abby 3:48

Yeah, it sounds it sounds very coming of age, sounds very cutesy. I have seen Lucy's designs and they're they're very quirky, but they're very fun. They feel very natural. They were super cool, and I'm really excited to see them on stage and see how they came to fruition.

Lucy 4:03

I'm I'm super happy with how they've come out. I mean, every production stresses me out a lot in some way, one way or another, but I always end up being pretty proud of my work.

Abby 4:15

And you know, that's all that matters.

Lucy 4:16

Yeah.

Abby 4:17

That's all that matters. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So now that we know what we're talking about and a little bit about the show itself, talk us through your process. So you said you were assigned this at App State, the tech theater department was assigned a role. You had apply for it. You'd have to go against the other people in your field. So when I went there, I also was a costume designer for shows. I was an assistant designer. Stuff like that. You have to do that for every show. You got that. So talk us through your process after that.

Lucy 4:51

Well, of course, we start with the script. And reading the script for the first time is, I think, one of my favorite parts about my job. I just love like reading in general, like storytelling. But I don't know, reading plays, it's just like it hits different. I don't know how to describe it necessarily, but you know, first read through, get an idea of the characters, write notes about like what makes each character distinct from one another, you know. Second read through, I start to take a closer look at both stage directions and dialogue, see if what they mention, if they mention anything about what they're wearing, or maybe the time of day it is, or how hot it is outside, or the environment they're in. You gotta be really picky with things like that. So you get you it makes sense when it's on stage with what they're saying. Writing on your script, taking notes, highlighting. I also love that part too.

Abby 5:46

I love writing in the margins of the script.

Lucy 5:48

It makes me feel so smart.

Abby 5:49

I'm like, wow, oh, look at this little detail we all get to include.

Lucy 5:53

It makes me look so smart. That's the big portion. And that I that usually takes me about a week. You know, I want to give myself a week to really immerse myself in the story and pay close attention to those environmental details a nd stuff like that in given circumstances.

Abby 6:08

No, for sure.

Lucy 6:10

After that, is around first production meeting. That's when all of the designers for the show come together into a room. The director talks about what her vision is for the show.

Abby 6:21

Who is directing this?

Lucy 6:23

Paulette Marty.

Abby 6:26

Love Paulette.

Lucy 6:27

Paulette is such an incredible director and professor. She's such a shout out to her for real.

Abby 6:34

Paulette, I don't know if you'll ever hear this, but if you do, we will. We love you. We love you so much. You are so amazing.

Lucy 6:41

And these production meetings I went to, I mean, Paulette's thought process about stuff and really emphasizing on different themes of the play, it kind of starts giving me a more concrete idea of all right, what is this gonna look like? You know, I love hearing ideas from the other designers too. Sometimes these production meetings completely like change my mind. I might think I want something to look one way, but once I hear ideas from other people, I'm like, oh, that's I never thought of that. Yeah, that's cool. First production meeting is so great. And I had a mentor, Professor Martha Marking, who I love very dearly. She was my mentor for the whole thing. So she came to with me to all of these production meetings. She was with me through all the fittings. She was just there to kind of advocate for me because this is the first show I've ever designed. I usually am in the shop making the stuff, not really designing the stuff.

Abby 7:42

That's where I belong. I belong with the makers.

Lucy 7:44

No, I love both though. I love both so much. Yes, Martha always has my back, especially during this production. So after that first production meeting, what I do, and I do this for every single show that I do, whether it's props or costumes, is I make a little collage, a visionary collage. I go onto my favorite website ever, Pinterest.com, to get some pictures and inspiration to make my mental vision of what the play is, you know.

Abby 8:16

You mentioned Pinterest, so I have to give a shout-out to my dad because every time I mention the word Pinterest, he goes, Oh, so you found something of interest on Pinterest. I love that. Yes, yes, I did. I know you're listening I know you're gonna be listening to this, Dad, so shout out.

Lucy 8:32

No, I love Pinterest.

Abby 8:33

Oh my god, I love Pinterest. It's so helpful. It is, you can like look for so many specific vibes.

Lucy 8:39

Yeah, no, I mean, so much inspiration, and something else that really took me back that was inspiring for this show was looking at screenshots of 2010 Tumblr.

Abby 8:50

That makes sense, yeah. You gotta get in the mind set.

Lucy 8:52

Because no, listen, I like I have embodied this play. I've been listening to 2010 hits for almost two months now. It's beautiful, but yes, I'd like to make my little visionary collage. I usually just do it like on procreate stuff like that. I usually do it digitally. I make that, I present it to the next production meeting, and once I kind of get the okay, you're on the right track from everybody else, that's when I start to like make my looks or make some ideas for the looks. I try I try to do a couple for one character, give some options and stuff.

Abby 9:27

I love options.

Lucy 9:28

Yes, options are dire.

Abby 9:30

Options are so important.

Lucy 9:32

Yes, always have a backup plan.

Abby 9:33

Always have a backup plan.

Lucy 9:35

Because you will probably need it.

Abby 9:37

You'll probably yeah, something will go wrong, you won't be able to find that.

Lucy 9:40

No, for this job, it's better to over-prepare, definitely, in my opinion.

Abby 9:45

Specifically costumes. I think, yeah, I can go this way, or I can go this way. Yes, because lots of directors will change their minds.

Lucy 9:52

Oh it happens a lot, and or they kind of just have an idea of something that kind of comes out of nowhere.

Abby 10:00

And they're like, actually, I was just inspired by this yesterday.

Lucy 10:03

And you're like, oh my.

Abby 10:05

Oh, but we've already started making all the things. But you know what? We adapt. We adapt, we overcome.

Lucy 10:10

Absolutely. It's great though, honestly. I feel like made me like a very flexible person in general, too. I feel like I feel like I've grown a lot as a person from this job, but maybe that's just me. Obviously, I didn't necessarily buy the exact same things that I saw all in line that I was inspired by. The vibes. Yeah, but if they match the vibes, they go into the little character collage, you know. So I think I had how many characters were in this play? I think I think seven, seven or eight.

Abby 10:42

Not too bad.

Lucy 10:43

Five campers, two camp counselors, and one father.

Abby 10:49

Oh, okay. So eight.

Lucy 10:50

Yeah, so and I think that's a great starting amount.

Abby 10:54

Yeah, especially because you've never designed anything before.

Lucy 10:55

Yeah. No, absolutely not.

Abby 10:58

You've assisted designed, right?

Lucy 11:00

Yes, I assisted designed a production last fall called Orlando by Virginia Wolf. Virginia Wolf.

Abby 11:07

It's inspired by Virginia Wolf. Whatever. That's not the production we're talking about.

Lucy 11:10

Anyways, yeah, I I assisted costumes for that. I was like a hat maker. But that but that's another story.

Abby 11:16

But that's another story.

Lucy 11:18

I like to make these individual character collages. And what I did for this show is since this show takes place in Texas in the summer, if I were there, I would want to dress as coolly as humanly possible. Yeah, but that was my big thing. I was like, all right, I need to make sure everybody's are everybody's in like shorts, at least, short sleeves.

Abby 11:44

It would be hot. I've never been in dry heat. Everywhere I've been, it's always been like humid. I don't know. Some people say the dry heat's better, some people say that it's worse. It sounds worse. I don't know. I don't know. Humidity sucks.

Lucy 11:57

So I hate humidity though, because that's when mosquitoes come out. And they and they eat me like a sweet treat. Yeah. In this show, it takes place in Texas. It's hot, so I wanted to give them very cool clothing. I also really wanted their personalities to show in each of their outfits. Yeah. Most of the characters in this show, they're about 16, 17 years old.

Abby 12:23

Oh, are they really that old? I thought they were younger.

Lucy 12:25

No, they're teenagers.

Abby 12:27

Interesting.

Lucy 12:28

And each of them is so uniquely themselves and has a different experience and represents a different situation that I don't know, a lot of young women go through. You know, they like different things. You know, one character she wears a wolf shirt, and another character is like an artsy kid. And you know, I just I really wanted to find something that would kind of represent them in a way.

Abby 12:54

Yeah.

Lucy 12:55

You know, individualize them.

Abby 12:57

Yeah, no, for sure. I think looking at your designs, I think their personalities came through really clearly. Like obviously, I haven't seen them in a while, but just from your initial mood board, it was very clear and very distinct.

Lucy 13:09

Yes, that was what I was going for. So I'm glad you saw that. Yeah. When you design costumes, it's going to be likely that they're going to push you to buy from companies like Amazon and stuff like that.

Abby 13:23

And that's okay for some things.

Lucy 13:25

That's alright for some situations. Don't get me wrong. Amazon will save your life in some situations.

Abby 13:29

Sometimes, sometimes you're like, oh man, this thing I really like that I bought a while ago didn't show up, and the show's in two days, so you need Amazon. So Amazon can be good for certain things, but it's not they come in clutch sometimes.

Lucy 13:43

But I I'm not a huge, I'm not a huge big company user.

Abby 13:47

Same. I like I like littler companies.

Lucy 13:50

Yeah. Which which I actually got pretty decent opportunity to do that. It's really difficult designing in an academic setting because of tax exemptions and tax rules and stuff. So you can't really just pull up to goodwill or anything like that.

Abby 14:10

They don't like us to.

Lucy 14:11

Nope.

Abby 14:11

It's really weird.

Lucy 14:13

And it doesn't make sense to me because our not to trash on our school, but our school is all about like sustainability and stuff. And they're thinking like it shouldn't be this complicated to buy like clothes from the secondhand.

Abby 14:28

Yet it is.

Lucy 14:29

Yet, it really, really is. But I was I was doing the the internet like secondhand surfing, you know, like Depop and Poshmark and stuff. Poshmark. And we actually got Poshmark to work with the tax stuff.

Abby 14:41

Oh, awesome.

Lucy 14:41

Thank goodness.

Abby 14:42

Because Poshmark's got some good stuff.

Lucy 14:45

Oh yeah. I I love Poshmark resellers. Like, thank you for saving that stuff.

Abby 14:49

Literally that stuff. I used to be a Poshmark reseller, and then it got too much for me, and I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore.

Lucy 14:57

Well, no, I literally I bought a couple of shirts from Poshmark. They actually arrived today. Perfect. And when I opened the package, one of them had stickers in it. And that's how and that's that's how you know they don't play. Like Poshmark resellers do not play.

Abby 15:12

Yeah, same with like Etsy shops. When you when they got little stickers in there, like for free. I eat that up. You're like, oh, you got this down.

Lucy 15:18

Oh, a treat for moi?

Abby 15:20

A treat for me? Or like when they have like the little confetti. Yes. Like, I'm like, oh you put so much thought into it. I'm like, you're so sweet. I love when I get a little thank you card. Yeah. I'm like, this is precious. I love you.

Lucy 15:32

No, I love I love buying from resellers, even though some of them are evil. Yeah. But let's not talk about that. That's okay.

Abby 15:40

It happens.

Lucy 15:41

So I got some of my stuff from Poshmark. I also went to a local consignment store in Boo, North Carolina called Anna Bananas. Shout out. Shout out, Anna Bananas. Love Anna. They actually had a section towards the back of their store, and it was just Y2K inspired. They made it so easy for me. Well, the thing is, I went to Anna Bananas with Martha.

Abby 16:04

With Martha! With Martha Marking!

Lucy 16:06

We went together, and yes, we did. If you go to Anna Bananas, if you do a little dance, you'll get 10% off discount. That's fantastic. So I made Martha dance with me so we could get that 10% off discount.

Abby 16:17

Hell yeah.

Lucy 16:18

But it's it was difficult for me in Anna Banance because I was like, oh, this is cute for me. For me, girl. Gotta put it on. This is not about you.

Abby 16:27

You getting closer to the microphone was so funny.

Lucy 16:31

But we had a good time. You know, little little Lucy and Martha dates. It was great. I got some stuff there. Really cute stuff. We love you, Anna Bananas.

Abby 16:41

Shout out Anna Bananas. And your dance discount.

Lucy 16:43

True. True. That's when we get to shopping. Yeah. That's the next kind of move. Once the director approves of like the vibes you're going for, that's when it's time to go shopping. And that's pretty fun. Yeah. For the most part.

Abby 16:58

Did you did you have to make anything for this show? Or were it all pulled and bought?

Lucy 17:03

Unfortunately, because of the show that is happening like right after this, once upon a mattress musical, we are building like everything. It's it's a lot of work. Obviously, our shop manager, Kristen, she was like, Hey, could we maybe not build anything so we can mentally prepare for this? And I'm like, That's fair. That is so valid.

Abby 17:23

And honestly, you didn't really need to build anything because it's a fair, I guess it's not contemporary anymore. It's within the last 15-ish years. Yeah. 16 now. You can pull a lot from that. It's not like an 1830s show. No, no. That would suck.

Lucy 17:37

Yeah, absolutely. That definitely gave me a lot of time saving when it comes to planning out. Another website that I got my stuff from is called Dharma Trading Company. They have a lot of white garments that are usually made and prepped for dying. I bought a bunch of white dresses for a certain scene in Pure. They look so good. Honestly. I'm so excited.

Abby 18:02

So excited to see it. Uh, it's almost a week. It's less than a week until opening night.

Lucy 18:07

I'm scared.

Abby 18:07

No, don't be scared. Your job, your job's done after dress rehearsals.

Lucy 18:11

True, true.

Abby 18:12

Makes everything a lot easier, honestly.

Lucy 18:15

Speaking of like dyeing fabric.

Abby 18:17

Did you have to dye things? Yes. I love dying.

Lucy 18:20

Since we're at camp, I thought, why not have tie-dye a shirt stay at camp?

Abby 18:24

Ah, adorable.

Lucy 18:25

So what I did, with the permission of the director and stage manager, of course, I let the actors tie-dye their own shirts.

Abby 18:32

Oh, that's so cute. Yeah. I love that.

Lucy 18:34

They came out great, honestly. I feel like the actors have a very personal connection with these roles, as we were a lot of them, you know, were young women at one point who were living in a religious setting like that. And I was like, I'm gonna just let them do it.

Abby 18:51

Let's know, less work for you. Also, that's such a cute idea. That way they have like a little more personal connection to their costume, too.

Lucy 18:58

Exactly. And obviously, I designed the logo for it, which is so cool because the logo is gonna be. I learned how to use a cricket guide.

Abby 19:08

I love the cricket machines. I haven't used them, but they fascinate me.

Lucy 19:12

I they're surprisingly really simple. Really? Yeah. I thought I was gonna be ripping out my own hair trying to figure this out. But if you download the app for cricket, yeah, it's pretty self-explanatory. So shout out to Cricut.

Abby 19:25

Shout out to Cricut. Um so many shout-outs today.

Lucy 19:29

True, true. I couldn't have done this without all of these resources, as you can tell. But I designed the logo, the camp logo. Nice. But what's so cool is that it's in the set too and stuff like that.

Abby 19:41

I love that.

Lucy 19:42

So like I get to see, I'm like, I get to see it everywhere.

Abby 19:44

It's in all the pictures.

Lucy 19:45

Damn, I made that.

Abby 19:46

I made that. That was me. That's so cute.

Lucy 19:50

But yeah, everybody gets to tie-dye there, I'm sure. Also, I've been having the shop employees and volunteers make friendship bracelets.

Abby 19:58

Adorable.

Lucy 19:58

Of course. And they've been doing such a good job with them, too.

Abby 20:03

Are they gonna be like sacked?

Lucy 20:05

Yes.

Abby 20:06

Fantastic.

Lucy 20:07

Yeah, I can't wait. We just had one day in the shop where we were all just hanging out, listening to music, and making friendship bracelets.

Abby 20:14

I'm so sad I wasn't there for that.

Lucy 20:15

I'm sad you weren't there too. That seems like such Abby vibe.

Abby 20:19

That's so me core.

Lucy 20:20

I know. The show has been fun, and I've been trying to like make it fun for other people too, you know. Yeah, for sure. Because how do I say this? There's always that line of letting actors like having say in what they want. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And from like making it an okay to like them overstepping it.

Abby 20:40

And it's a it's a hard line.

Lucy 20:42

So I've been I've been trying very hard to keep it professional, yeah, but also like let them have fun doing it. Right.

Abby 20:50

You know, it's a it's a good balance to find that.

Lucy 20:53

I think it's been working out so far.

Abby 20:56

What advice would you give to someone who was designing a show?

Lucy 21:00

Hmm. Don't be afraid to ask for advice and for help. It can become a lot on you. I personally start to really like it in my own head, like it's all on me. But at the end of the day, you have hands to help you. You have professors who have been doing this for years and years. Yeah. And you know, their advice is something you should like always take with you, I think. Yeah. And my advice to anybody who would just like start out designing is it is a little intimidating, but just do it. You know, just do it.

Abby 21:36

Do it scared. Yeah, do it scared. That's one of my favorite things to say. Do it scared. Yeah, do it scared. Better do it scared than not at all. Absolutely. What was something you learned while doing this?

Lucy 21:49

Honestly, we just talked about this, but I learned that having backup options is so important and having a backup plan. You know, not everything is going to work out as you intended. And you know, that can be a little frustrating sometimes and a little discouraging, but the show's still gotta go on, you know? You gotta figure it out. Figure out solutions to your problems. Yeah. That's something I've been learning a lot, is solutions and problem solving a lot, especially within fittings.

Abby 22:19

Sometimes actors will be like, Well, I don't like this, and they want you to change it. And it's like, right, but that's not that's not your call, unfortunately.

Lucy 22:27

Unfortunately, that is not your decision. You are not the designer. Like I said, it's it's all about like having those boundaries. It's good to be friends. Yes. It's it's amazing to watch your friends do the same show as you. It's been so fun, but you still have a job to do, and they have their own job to do. It's just a matter of mutual respect.

Abby 22:48

Just gotta put on different hats. Yeah. Mutual respect. That's all it is. What was the most challenging thing you faced about this project?

Lucy 22:56

Honestly, I think it happened a few days ago, to be quite honest. The timeline in this show is confusing. I'm not going to lie. They don't make it very clear how many like days go by just based off the script. Obviously, when you see the show, it's going to be clear. Sure. You know, as I read it, I didn't quite understand how much time duration has gone on through this show. So, you know, I was showing the director the things that have come in and the things that I pulled, and she was happy with it. It was great. But she said, You're missing some tops. Oh. You're missing at least two tops per camper. Awesome. And I'm not gonna lie, that really frazzled me. That's fair. Obviously, I do not blame the director at all. I'm so glad she told me. Yeah. But I was like, oh crap. Awesome. What tech is this weekend? What am I gonna do? It was really hard. The most challenging part, I think, is me. You know, being able to believe in myself that I can do it. The show itself wasn't that difficult because it was post-contemporary, pretty recent. We didn't have to build anything. It was a pretty easy slate for me. Yeah. I think my biggest hump was getting over my self-criticism and always feeling what I do is not good enough.

Lucy 24:17

Right. It's a hard pill to swallow.

Lucy 24:19

I mean, yeah. You know, what happened was I was like, all right, this sucks. I'm really disappointed in myself for like not understanding. But it's time to move on. You gotta pull those shirts, you gotta find something. That's what I did. And you found I did. Still waiting for a few of them. Yep, but it's fine.

Abby 24:38

Yeah. Everything is fine. Everything everything's fine. It's okay.

Lucy 24:42

As long as I keep convincing myself that, even if it's a little delusional, that's how you get it.

Abby 24:47

Sometimes delusion is the solution. True. Did I say that right? Yeah, delusion. Sounded weird coming out of my mouth. And I was like, I was like, why did I say it like that? Okay, if you were to restart this project with everything you know now, what would you do differently?

Lucy 25:08

I would obviously like really hone in on the script. I think I did to a certain degree, but I kind of forgot some of those elements, you know. Right. I think I would also start ordering things earlier. I think that is something was also a little bumped because I had a lot of time, you know, previously to do this. I spent a lot more time worrying about what I want to get instead of just deciding to get it. Yeah. I was on search engines for hours, just looking for every possible thing and what could be the absolute perfect garment for this character.

Abby 25:44

And you know, sometimes it's not that deep. It's really not. As Kristen, our shop manager, told me when I was designing in the fall, it's just pretend clothes for pretend people. It's okay. It really is. It really is. Which is a wonderful thing, honestly. And you know, sometimes you just gotta you're gonna say, Hey, it's okay. They would wear this.

Lucy 26:02

I think I would definitely spend a lot more time taking initiative instead of thinking about it. Sure, yeah. So that's something I definitely do. I think that's the main thing. Yeah, yeah.

Abby 26:15

I think that's a good thing to focus on because yeah, it's so there's so many things. You're like, I want to get this perfect, I want it to be exactly this. It's it's hard, it's hard to like let go of that.

Lucy 26:25

It's like, oh, I like this shirt. Oh, but it doesn't go great with these pants. Right. Let me find a different shirt to go with these pants. Oh, these shirt doesn't go great with these pants. You're like, pay me the pants or let me get a new pants, and it's this never-ending cycle. And at some point you gotta be like, this is good enough.

Abby 26:41

And usually people are gonna be like, wow, that looks awesome. Good enough is usually great. Yes, good enough is great. Yes, good enough is so great because Dr. Gina Grandi was talking about this when we were in our capstone class last year. You spend so much time on something that you love and that you really want to get right. Everyone else is not gonna be looking at it and thinking about it for that long. So it is okay. It's so okay. True.

Lucy 27:08

Gina is so wise, so wise. I loved that class. Capstone was fun, really good. What's great about capstone, it prepares theater students into transitioning into working in the real world, which is it's honestly really scary, especially right now, because you know, live performance is I don't want to say it's dying, but it kind of is. It's not doing as great as it could be. It's not what it used to be, definitely not. And going into a career that you know is not doing well, it can be discouraging, and you can be like, what's the point? Right. The point is to have fun to have fun, be creative, yeah, and not be afraid to tell stories.

Abby 27:50

So true. So true. Oh, what a good note to end on. Ah, yes. Well, Lucy, thank you so much for coming on our very first episode of my podcast.

Lucy 27:59

Thank you so much, Abby. You're the best ever.

Abby 28:01

You're the best ever. You're so sweet. You're welcome back anytime. Talk about any project you want to talk about.

Lucy 28:09

Tech is this weekend. Yep. I'm so excited. I mean, I'm dreading it because it's tech, but I'm also-

Abby 28:14

You don't have to be there the long day.

Lucy 28:16

I don't. Which is the best part of being a costume designer. Yeah, that's because we're better.

Abby 28:21

Yeah, costumes is the best department.

Lucy 28:23

Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Always support local theater.

Abby 28:29

Always support your local theater. Yeah. Any final thoughts?

Lucy 28:33

I don't think so. Cool. Except that you're the coolest person ever.

Abby 28:37

No, you no, you follow Lucy on LinkedIn.

Lucy 28:42

I don't I don't know my LinkedIn, but yeah. It's Lucy Lloyd on LinkedIn at Appalachian State University.

Abby 28:52

Yeah, and you know, whenever that website gets updated, no rush. I'll include it on the post that I make for it.

Lucy 28:57

So me and my stupid website. Man, websites are so hard. Uh, and they take so much time. I don't have the attention span for websites.

Abby 29:06

You gotta force your you just gotta force yourself too. You gotta if you you gotta get the majority of it done, you gotta get a bulk of it done.

Lucy 29:12

When this when this production is like through, then you can like that's something I should really do, honestly.

Abby 29:18

You can lock in on that because once you get the basic structure of it, it's a lot easier to just be like, oh, well, I just have to add this one thing. Yeah, yeah. Makes it a lot more manageable. It's just getting to there, which is hard and scary. Yeah, but it's okay. Well, that's all we got for today. Thank you guys for listening and stay tuned. I'm gonna have more cool guests. And Lucy's welcome back anytime if she wants to talk about other things, about her hats, perhaps.

Lucy 29:46

Ooh, my hat.

Abby 29:47

Your hats. We were we talked about her hats for the demo, but I accidentally deleted the demo. Oh well. It was really sad, but it's okay. We can talk about it now that I have microphones and editing software, and I'm like super cool now.

Lucy 30:04

Yay!

Abby 30:05

Yay! Cool. See you guys next time. Bye!

Lucy 30:08

Bye bye.