Ep. 18, Deeper Worship

If you have been longing to experience deeper worship, we pray this discussion will be helpful and inspire you. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome to the Lafayette Prayer and Podcast. We're located in Lafayette, Louisiana. And today we're discussing longing for deeper worship. Like you long to have deep fellowship and worship of the Lord, but it just feels surface. So what can we do?

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Yeah, because some people have said, like, I feel kind of stuck in my worship. I want to go deeper. I want to experience more of God. I've heard other people talk about experiencing God more, but I seem to be stuck. Uh and not that there's a wrong way. We're not talking about this is wrong, this is right. But for those who are hungry, uh, we hope that some of our experience might be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Yeah, so in worship, we can do all of the motions. Like you can go through the motions of worship, raise your hands, sing the songs, but your heart can still be far from the Lord. I can sing a song and be thinking of something totally unrelated to the song. My mouth can actually be saying the words, and my mind can be on problems of the day or to-do list or all those things. So it's about putting our heart in with what we're doing. And for me, it's mostly I would say, I start with Jesus, you're worthy of my time and my attention. And that typically centers me back to what I'm doing, get me on the right track.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Yeah, and it's not wrong to start. Um, you know, we all start where we show up and worship and we're mostly thinking of other things. Like that is where we all start. It's not like this is wrong, this is right. Uh, but we will what we want to do is grow out of that and grow past that. We want to work past it. Uh, and part of what's awesome in a worship service and a worship setting is that there are gonna be other worshipers who do know how to pierce through that and open that atmosphere up and bring that presence in. So, man, that's such a benefit for those who are struggling or have never felt God's presence to be in an atmosphere where those who tap into his presence consistently kind of bring in an atmosphere everybody gets to feel. Uh, and what we want to do is we want to be one of those who we're one of the gates that are opening up, let the king of glory come in. I want to be one of those who touch and open that for more to experience. Because on the front end, when you're in a setting, I mean services where most people experience worship for the first time or um the majority of their time, we're at the forefront of our mind. You know, I'm singing a song or I even close my eyes, but I'm still at the forefront of my mind, my thoughts, my feelings, uh, my surroundings, the people in the room who's who sees me, or what the people I'm looking at, like that's all going through our minds, which is not worship, but it's the first things we have to fight through in worship to where our minds start to really focus on God. And like you said, you know, you're worthy of this time, like those kind of things. Or I just find leaning into a song and really meaning the words that you're singing helps open me up. Don't just sing a song, mindlessly sing it, like mean the words because they're prayers, they literally are prayers to him. A lot of times they're there, um, words of adoration or declarations of who he is. So meaning those things when I sing them, that's a way to open my heart and my mind to experience him and worship.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Absolutely. And if you're if you're one that's gonna people gaze or spectate, you know, close your eyes. I I I keep my eyes closed that way. I'm not a spectator of the room so much, or sit in a place that's not gonna be a distraction for you would be another uh helpful, helpful tip.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah, and that's a part of it too, knowing yourself. If you are a people watcher, like you know you have to close your eyes worship if you want to go anywhere. And that's normal. I don't think I know any of ever of anybody who had a deep experience with the Lord with their eyes open looking at other people. No, maybe it's happened. I don't know. But yeah, eyes closed is definitely um that helps to just bring everything in, and it's me and him right here, right now. Um, and also like for me as a musician or a singer, it's easy to focus on music or voices. And I've also had other friends who are way better musicians than me, and it is hard for them to shut off not hearing all the specific things within the music and if something's off or critiquing this. Uh, so that's a struggle. You know, you have to turn that off. Like it's I'm not gonna sit through a worship service or worship at home and allow myself to go there at this time. Because also music and atmosphere can create an emotional high, which that's not a wrong thing, but we don't want that without actually connecting to God. We want that to help escort us, and because our emotions are part of it, and and you want to use music as a tool and a vehicle to go in, because that is something that music does. Music opens something different in the soul than just words. There are melodies that move us, there are sounds that move us, there are rhythms that move us, and so something different happens to open you up. So you do want to use that vehicle to usher you into uh the presence of God, into an encounter with God. So, yes, use that, but you can go to a concert of someone who's not worshiping God and have an emotional high on that music too. That's not my goal in worship. In worship, I am trying to connect with him and encounter him.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

And we kind of see this set up in the temple and how it was set up. There were outer courts, inner courts, and then the holy of holies. And different priests, you know, had different jobs within those. And what we want to do is get ourselves into that holy of holies place. And I mean, Jesus, when he died on the cross and that veil was torn, he made a way for us to enter that most holy place. So to stay on the outer courts is such a disservice to the blood of Jesus. Like he gave us access to something so much more intimate, so much more meaningful. And I want to take advantage of that. And there's not a formula to it. It's not like you do this, this, this, and then you're in the Holy of Holies. It's it's maybe even different each time, but just getting out of my own mind, my own to-do list, my own issues, um, focusing on Revelation 4, 5, the throne room of God, his attributes, that reality, and just truly worshiping him for who he is, not using that time to ask him for my list of things I need, not using worship as a time to say, hey, I'm not feeling like not using it as my prayer for my needs time, but really focusing on who God is and loving him for those attributes, asking him for revelation of those attributes, asking to help me love him more. Like, let me see your humility. I want to love it. Those kind of things to me open up worship.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

You're right. It is not our prayer time with God. It's not the time to ask for things, it is not the time to start going into repentance. I mean, unless God highlights something and you quickly repent, you know, but I'm not gonna spend time on other things when I'm there to worship him. I'm gonna talk to him about those things at another time, but worship is God focused. It is not me focused, it is not my needs focused. It is all eyes on Jesus. I am there to see him, to sing about him, to think about him, to let my mind's eyes see things, the pictures that the songs create. Like that's one of the ways God um relates to us is through the imagery in our mind. He has made our imaginations to experience him. So even as the eyes are closed and I'm singing the song and I'm seeing some of what the song is saying, that's not me just wandering, that is me loving him with my mind. It is me letting images come in and know that some of those are him showing me things. And so when we say I want to see you, I want to see the beauty of God, it's in that mind's eye. It's our imagination, it is concepts that are images that come up, and that's seeing him, it's part of seeing it.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Yes, I think that's probably my favorite part, like asking him, show me a picture, you know. And I I do see quite a few pictures in my mind whenever I'm worshiping and like you said, I think some people shy away from that because they imagine that our imagination can't be used for godly things. But if God created me with an imagination, certainly he can use it for me to touch him, to see him, to feel him in a greater measure, and not to discount it. Like if I see a picture, I'm gonna lean into it. And I mean, unless it's something terrible, it is the Lord. Like, we don't have to just say, that was just me. No, God was using that and just lean into it. Don't discount every way he wants to talk to you.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Okay, so let's talk about hindrances to deeper worship. Like what keeps us from going deeper into worship? And one thing that we mentioned that is a huge red flag is the me focused uh relationship with him, which trickles into our worship with him. Like if it's all about me, and there are times that he does minister to us in worship, it's part of the exchange that happens, but I'm not going into that time for him to minister to me. That's gonna be a ripple effect of it, yes. But I'm going in there to love him, to give him my affection, to give him the words of my mouth and the movement of my heart in that moment.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Yeah, I think one hindrance is what am I doing throughout my week? Because if I'm filling myself up with ungodly music, ungodly television, whatever it is, and I'm giving all of my time and attention to those things, that is gonna hinder me in worship. I mean, I can't feed myself the world, the world, the world, and then on Sunday or the time you walk into the prayer room, assume I can let all that go now. I worship the Lord. Like, what am I fueling my mind with during the week? Am I putting the word in? Am I am I thinking about him? Because what I study and look at in the word throughout my week, or you know, however it is, throughout my time with the Lord, when I get into worship, those things fuel my worship because now I've seen him in the word. I'm learning his actual attributes. Because I think a problem in at least the American church is we've made a God in our image and we just call him Jesus. But we're not worshiping the Jesus of the Bible. Like it's it's an idol. But if I've experienced him and I know who he is from the word, not perfectly, but more, the more I know of him, the more I can worship him.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Yeah. So you're talking about a wrong view of God. Yes. Like that's what this is. If you have a wrong view of God, then that will hinder your worship. If I think he's mad at me, he's disappointed with me. We did an episode off this, uh, then I am not going to want to come to him and worship. And even if I show up in worship and I'm going through the motions, my heart is withdrawn if I think he's a harsh God or he's just so disappointed in me because I'm always failing. Like those wrong views of God or the one I made in my own image, that all of that will hinder me greatly in worship. In John 4, 23, he says, God is spirit, and those who worship him worship me in spirit and in truth. And the more I fill my mind from the word with who he is, then I worship in spirit and in truth. And there's no like um line you cross over, like now you do that. It is that I want to keep putting in truth because I want to experience him more in worship. So the more I keep putting in, the more I'm gonna experience him more and more. So I'm not worshiping some Jesus that I made that other people told me about. I'm worshiping him for who he really is in spirit and in truth because I get more of him that way.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

And I mean, do I believe he is who he says he is? Is he good? Is he completely loving? Is he all-powerful for real? Like that's the God I want to worship. If I've made him smaller than that in my mind, is that a God worth worshiping? I don't want to worship somebody that I can fully comprehend, completely understand, because then they're like me. I'm not worth worshiping. But God is so much other than. If I'm looking at him through that lens, well, that's a God I want to worship.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Also, things that hinder us going deeper in worship is control or fear. Um, I always say a controlling person is a fearful person. Yes, that's why they're so controlling because they're fearful something's gonna happen. So they're controlling out of fear. But man, that does not work when you're trying to go into the presence of God because you don't have control and because there is nothing to fear. And if you always live with that closed, fearful control, man, in worship, you have to open to experience him. He's not gonna force his way in there. So we don't want to live that way. So we work on, okay, I'm gonna become like Jesus. I'm not gonna live out of fear and control, and that's gonna directly impact worship.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Another one which we've talked about now a few times, but it bears repeating being overly busy and then having all of that in my mind, it is hard to stop that overly busy mind when you're in worship. We're too busy.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

A chaotic mind runs fast, and in deeper worship, there is focus and concentration that is necessary to go deeper into worship. So if I am living a very fast-paced, just a super busy, cluttered life, then I skim the surface of everything because my mind is on a million things. Um so that's a direct hindrance, a direct opposition of what you do in worship, and not that like I get to worship, no, I'm gonna concentrate on God and focus, but it's part of that just starting to sing the song, starting to focus on Him, starting to think more, starting to allow my imagination to go with him. You're going deeper, deeper into focus and into concentration. You know, it's it's eyes tight shut, the mind just zooming in on one thing. There's a level of concentration, it doesn't have to be a great level, but there is a level, and with experience, you begin to do it more and more without even thinking because you just that's your mode you go into when you're worshiping. So the overly busy life goes in direct opposition of where you go in worship with that concentrated focus. Uh, there really is a deeper dive, there's deeper waters in worship. And I remember I used to have a joke years and years ago when we would go to visit the prayer room in Kansas City, because we could tell when each other was in a a deep encounter in worship. And when we would get together, we walk out and gather afterwards. Uh we'd be like, So you came up for air? Like, because when you go deep and you dive deep, there is a like, whoo coming back into reality, you know, because I was just somewhere else. I was just somewhere else a few minutes ago, and yes, came up for air now, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Another um issue is unhealed wounds, and it's it's because we're not honest with the Lord about what we're feeling because we don't want to go and say to God, I am offended that you didn't work things out the way I thought, which is at the root of a lot of issues that we have. We are offended with the Lord. We don't want to call it that, but we are. We don't like the way the circumstances worked out, we don't understand why XYZ happened, but we just bury it and say, Well, God's good, instead of going to him and saying, Hey, this really hurt and I don't understand, and then letting him heal those or being hurt by the church. And again, that's really on us. It really is because if I put my eyes on the pastor or the leader or the whatever and they hurt me, which they will disappoint me at some point, that's really on me because my eyes should be on the Lord. People are going to disappoint us, and sometimes on purpose, sometimes they don't even know. But again, it's then we just bury it, bury it. Well, you can't worship freely because you're trying to hide something from the Lord and it requires vulnerability, and the Lord knows it anyway. You might as well be honest with him and he heals it, he heals it. I can't heal it myself, but he can and he knows how. So I'd say unhealed things, and again, that's on us. We have to bring it before the Lord and be honest.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

And shame and guilt, that's a huge hindrance to going deeper in worship. Because if I am full of shame and guilt, then the the whole opening up and letting him in, I am buried in it. I'm assuming he thinks the same things of me, which is a lie, but it it will hinder or unconfessed sin. Um, not that we go into a repentance mode for worship. That's something I'm gonna do in my time with him, or I'm gonna repent very quickly if he brings something to my mind in worship and go into worship focused on him. But sin does separate us from God. Sin separates us from God. So I don't want to be like, oh, it's all covered. No, unconfessed sin in me, I'm still going to heaven if my heart is still for the Lord, but sin separates us from God. The word tells us that. So I want to be pure because the pure see God.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

I want to see him, I want to feel him, I want to experience, I want to go as deep as he will let the human heart go. So I want to confess sin and have that out of the way because sin separates me from God. And it's not because of him, it's that he's a holy God. And the closer I come to the light, the more darkness is exposed so that I can repent and get closer and closer.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

And I think also with that, like you were talking about shame and guilt. If you have repented and that thing still keeps coming up and you're just groveling before the Lord and giving him the list of reasons why you're gonna love him better, whatever, then you don't, you're not believing what he said. Because if you truly repented, he said he forgives you since far as the east is from the west. So sometimes you have to just accept the forgiveness that was given if it was truly repented of and then keep going. I'm thinking something else that hinders people is stopping too quickly, like you feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in a really deep way, and you lean into it, and it's gonna lift. Like that's just how it works. And then they're like, oh, awesome. I felt him, I'm done. But if you lean into it again and you ask for more, like another wave, you'll get more. Don't quit so so soon. Like keep on asking for it. So, how do we cultivate a lifestyle of deeper worship? Well, I mean, we don't know everything there is to know about deep worship, but we have some things that we've done. Um, so we pray that this would be helpful for those longing for deeper deeper worship. But I would say gratitude is um a big one into deep worship. And it can start off very surface, surface gratitude, just the normal. But the more you thank him for things, the deeper your heart just starts to flow in worship and thankfulness for who he is. Um, so I would say gratitude is a huge springboard into the deep end.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

And a normal thing, also, we should say in worship when you start to feel the presence of God is tears.

unknown 20:37

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Like you're gonna cry. And I think for some people who have never experienced the presence of God, they're trying not to cry. And tears is a most normal physical human response when his weighty presence comes. I love worship that makes me cry. Like I want to cry in worship. Absolutely. I want to have felt him that powerfully. Uh, I remember years and years ago, um a guy saying, I'm always looking for for music to listen to my core that makes me cry. Like that is the normal response. Don't try to get to worship service and not cry. Like that means it's it's overtaking your human emotions, it's touching your emotions. That's what you want it to be in a more powerful than just, oh, this is nice. Like, no, this is starting to intensify. So little just little side note, tears are normal. We should have said that on the front end.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

We pray, give me the gift of tears. And in fact, when I look around, I feel like when I'm first getting into the prayer room and I people are already in their deep worship, and I see someone crying. My first response to that that scene is, oh, I want to be whatever the Lord is, and I want that. I want to cry too. Like, I want to feel him that way. That is, I agree, just the best part of worship.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yeah. So cultivating deeper worship. When I start to encounter his love for me, when that touches the deepest parts of me, I start to see who I am the way he sees me. And it starts to redefine me, the core of who I am and my identity, which then is cultivating something in me that's now going to respond and react with him very differently. So it's a um letting him come over me and define me, experiencing his love. That is part of cultivating a heart that now interacts with him deeper in worship. And number one, there's a transformation at the core of me that's happening. And number two, there is a love that starts to flow back when I feel him loving me. There is an automatic response of love begins to flow to him. And then it's this cycle of I feel him, and then I feel love back to him. So letting that love, believing it, like you say, not standing in shame, the lie, you know, uh believing this is true, it redefines who I am because now I'm letting him define me through the lens he sees me through, which now when I come, I am not who I used to be. I've encountered him enough to where I am different and I know it. So then I come with just this childlike little heart of I am who you say I am. You do love me this much. I will let you love me. And when that touches me, I'm loving it back.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

That's right. I was that's exactly right. I was gonna say, it takes God to love God. So I think people often hear, well, God loves me, and then they move on too quickly or try to graduate from the simple truths, but that's the most important truth. And I ask to feel how God feels about me every time. There's not a time I don't like just tell me again. Like, tell me again that you love me because that does cause my heart to love him. Like, don't graduate from what we think of as the simple truths of the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

There are two, I call it two ditches that I have found that some people fall into, not everybody, just certain groups um that work against cultivating a deeper worship. And one, I call them the martyr generation, and it is typically like my grandparents' age, some in my parents' generation. Um, I call them the more generation because they existed for their families. That was their identity, it was their purpose, that was everything they were, which there is nobility in that and there is beauty in that. But when it's your soul identity, when you see yourself as there for them, then when you get in front of the Lord and He wants to love you, that's very difficult because you don't see yourself as an individual, you are just there to serve a purpose for others, and you identify who you are and your value and your worth by what you do to them, what you are to them. And intimacy and deeper worship is very personal, it is about him and you. So if you don't have a strong sense of self-identity, then it's very difficult to relate to him as an individual. Uh, and then on the other side, the other ditch is more of our generation, the ones after us, we're all about us. Yeah, we are all about what I think and what I feel and what I want. And so then that pride is a huge hindrance to works against cultivating worship. So those are um two different mentalities. But if your identity and your worth and your value is wrapped up in that, then when you stand in front of the Lord, because he's looking at just me, not a title, not a wife, not a mother. I'm just me. Intimacy is about me and him, not about me and having an identity and something that's not who he says I am alone. So it's really important that my identity is not in other good things.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

I think meditating on scripture leads to greater revelation of the Lord, which leads to greater worship. Like you need all of the things, and again, not like a to-do list or this is the formula. God doesn't do it that way. However, if I don't know him in the word, I I can't, then I don't know him. Like that's how he chose to reveal himself mostly. There's other things, dreams, visions, of course, come, but I would be leery of somebody that only has dreams and visions because how does you have to be able to match it? Does it fit in the word? Does it does it go against because the Bible is the ultimate authority of the Lord and He speaks through it? And so the more I see Him there, the greater I can worship other places that bring that with me into worship.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Also, there's a vulnerability that's necessary to go deeper into worship. There is a surrender because there is a real exchange that happens there, and he's vulnerable with me. He opens his heart to me, he opens his thoughts to me, he doesn't hide parts of himself or punish or reserve things. Like he's wide open and vulnerable with me. So it is something that opens me up to experience more of him when I am vulnerable, um, just open in general, but then vulnerable with parts of me that are tender, that are wounded, that are hurt, that I need healing. I'm bringing them to him, being honest, like we talked about earlier, uh, and surrender. It really is more of me, and I get more of him. That is the exchange.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Unforgiveness of others will also keep you from worship because it when you are not forgiving. I know the Lord showed me a picture of my heart one time and it was it's mostly bright, except this one dark spot, and he was like, It you're and he showed me a picture of people that I was not forgiving. He was like, You've held that part of you for them. Like you've given that part of your heart for them. When you forgive them, you're giving it back to me. And like that hinders worship as well, because I'm so worried about well, what they did and how it's gonna, you know, whatever, just unforgiveness, I think, which is sin, but it it hinders worship.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Also, um, worshiping alone cultivates deeper worship. I mean, it was a game changer for me, and it was the on-ramp into intimacy, worshiping alone. We worship very different when we are alone than we do in a service, or even when we know somebody else could be coming in or out, when I know I'm alone. And it's not even like physically I'm doing different things, it is just I can't even explain why, but we do when we are alone, we worship different than when we are with other people. And for me, I mean it started when my kids were actually, I was still pregnant for Hayden, who's 27 now, but um, I would put the other two down for a nap. And and then after Hayden was born, it was uh I trained them all to tap together so I could have my time with the Lord. I mean, look, yes, stuff didn't get done. It was a choice. There was a ton of housework I needed to do, and my kids went down for a nap and I had that time, but I was not gonna do housework instead of go to him and my time with him, and I started worshiping alone there. And I mean, um, I really started encountering him in different ways and and being able to go deeper. It wasn't in a worship service where it was this, then this, then this, or I could put on songs that moved my heart. Like my favorite, I could play them as many times as I want. I mean, there were certain songs in those years, and like certain songs took me somewhere else. Like, really, and there were deep works being done, and I just became more familiar with um the depths, those deeper waters, and and just the movement of the spirit and feeling him take me here, then take me there, and this encounter and that encounter was always different, but worshiping alone was the on-ramp, it was the door that opened into all of that.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

I agree. Um, I think it's because you can just be authentically yourself when you're alone. Like, I mean, especially for me, like I can't sing at all. And so in worship, I'll like in a corporate worship setting, I'll kind of, I mean, of course I'm gonna sing the songs, but I'm gonna sing it real quiet so that nobody hears me sing. And I'm not gonna sing my own made-up um worship to the Lord as much in those set settings, but when I'm by myself, when the Lord loves my voice, so I can sing my worship to the Lord and not be worried about because I don't sound good to any human. And only God would love it. And so, but I can do that for him when I'm by myself and it's just the two of us.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, that's another tip I was gonna say for cultivating deep deeper worship was the in between times. So let's say you are in a service or you're at home and you have some worship music playing, but the in-between times, like sing in tongues or sing your own song, just sing your own flow off of whatever you song you were just singing, or maybe there's a scripture in your mind, just sing that, like use the in-between points to fuel yourself into that next wave. Like instead of just waiting for the next song to start. No, no, you be the one who's pushing, like sing in between. Like I typically I'm just gonna go into tongues in between, and and unless there's certain phrases, sometimes there'll be phrases that flow, and it turns into something in a moment sometimes. Like sometimes it's it was the most powerful moment for me in the Lord in that that day and that time. Uh, but at minimum, it just keeps that motor going, it keeps that reach in you. So to me, that's a huge thing to um, like you said earlier, like don't check out too early. Like, oh, I felt them okay, good, that was good. Like, no, this is something that keeps it continuing for a longer field. Yes, it built also like little worship seconds and moments count uh through the day because none of us walk through our whole day and we're worshiping all day, or you know, something's on our mind about the Lord all day. But what I have found is um in your car, like play worship music, like those are little moments. I mean, my kids saw me so many times in my car with tears coming down my eyes because there was a worship song on in the car that was moving my heart in that moment. Like it's it was little moments. It wasn't 10 minutes, it was just a few minutes, or sometimes it's a few seconds where it just touches my heart. Uh, and those moments they build into a continuum that goes into a deeper worship moment when you do get to go into deeper worship or keeping stuff playing in my house, keeping worship music playing in my house, or if I'm sitting at my desk and I'm working on something and I'll just have a prayer room playing the whole time and without fail in the middle of a task not related to God at all, like there's a little chorus or something being sung out, and oh, I just lean into that for a few seconds or a few minutes, and sometimes tears will come, like it's it just it's touching me. So those little moments, those cultivate that deeper worship, like it's just a connection, and it's moments I wouldn't have had if I hadn't had the worship music on.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I agree a hundred percent. What we're filling our time with, what's going into my ears throughout the day, either hinders my worship or accelerates it. And so I worship music always on in my car, whatever, or I'll be listening to a message that talks about the Lord, that's gonna spur my knowledge of the Lord. Like you have to be intentional. If you truly want to deepen your revelation of the Lord, your worship of God, then you're gonna be intentional with your time. Because again, if I'm filling it with just trash, I'm there's not gonna be an outward flow. But if I'm filling it with Him throughout my day, throughout my time, guarding what my eyes see and my ears hear, it's gonna fuel my worship.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

And also for us, it's a debriefing. For other people, just like when you just come out of a good worship service, talk to somebody else who was in that service about it. There is something about um rehashing a moment or or what you felt, or like, man, that song just really touched me today, you know. Or maybe you saw your friend had a moment, like ask them, like, what did God show you something, or just was there a phrase in that song that was just really hitting your heart? Talking about it is part of cultivating it. And when you have a bond with someone else who wants to go deeper, you will fuel each other. Oh, because you love those moments together, you will seek them out, you'll go to things that are gonna have times to go deeper in worship, or like many of us, we've just worshiped with our friends before. So, like it just gives you somebody to help spur on and cultivate that deeper worship for sure. So I think that wraps up our discussion today on deeper worship. And deeper worship comes in time, it's not just one time experience in worship or one worship service, and it's not complicated, it's very simple. It's just our hearts responding to the love of God.

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Yeah, and in a future episode, we would love to answer any questions you may have. So you can leave your questions down in the comments below, or if you know us personally, you can text us or email us. But yeah, we're looking forward to answering any questions you have.

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So we're so glad you guys joined us today. Hopefully, the discussion made you hungry for deeper worship. So until next time, bye guys. Bye.