Decoding Your Design: Energy, Gates & the Journey Back to Yourself with Jen Allen

In this episode, I sit down with Human Design expert Jen Allen for a deep and fascinating conversation about Human Design and how it can help us better understand ourselves.

We talk about energy types, energy centers, gates, and the unique blueprint each of us carries. While Andrea is a Manifestor, one of the biggest takeaways from this conversation is that no two charts are ever the same. Human Design isn't about putting yourself in a box or becoming someone else. It's about understanding how you're uniquely wired and learning to trust yourself more deeply.

Jen shares how the deeper layers of your chart can offer insight into your patterns, relationships, gifts, challenges, and the way you move through the world. This conversation goes far beyond business, success, or making money. It's about self-awareness, healing, acceptance, and coming home to who you truly are.

If you've ever been curious about Human Design or wondered why you experience life differently than the people around you, this episode is for you.

You can book your :Nurture Your Nature | 3 Session Package or HD in Real Life Session at https://www.jenallenhumandesign.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Ron Embodied. I'm Andrea, and I'm so excited you're here. This is a space where we are going to get real. We'll talk about healing, the stories we carry, the patterns that keep us stuck, the courage it takes to use our voice, and what it truly means to choose ourselves. My hope is that every conversation helps you to come back to your own truth, your own power, and your own inner light. So take a deep breath, settle in, and let's dive in. Hello. I'm so excited you could join me today. Um today I have Jen Allen. I'm gonna let you introduce yourself. But before I do that, I just wanted to um kind of explain that how helpful you've been for me and my human design. So we will be talking about human design today. And Jen is an expert, even if you know sometimes we don't think we are. Technically, she is. But she's helped me a lot um with understanding like my manifestor side a lot better, where instead of just reading, like, oh, this is my authority and this is my thing. So go ahead and introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Okay, my name's Jen Allen. I am a human design consultant. I specialize in doing deep analysis and coaching with the human design chart. I work a lot with women in midlife because I find that this is a time when many women start feeling lost. They start feeling like they're not themselves, they're trying to figure out what's going on. And human design can be a really empowering tool for that. So I have been studying and sharing human design since 2020. And so it is still funny when people call me an expert. I know, because the system is so um nuanced and expansive, and it just, I'm still going deep within it.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

And so it's it's kind of funny to just be like, wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Well, I feel like it's a never-ending. It's kind of like your astrology and all these other things, but I feel like you can even dive even deeper because you have the gates and you have this and you have that. So for anybody that doesn't know, we hang out with so many people that know human design, but there's so many people that don't know what human design is. So can you explain a little bit about human design is just to start?

SPEAKER_00 2:30

So on the surface, sometimes people will refer to human design in the same vein as some of the like personality profiling systems. Like you'll hear it kind of lumped in often with something like Myers Briggs or Enneagram or Astrology, but really what it is, it's a very intricate system that is also really extremely practical. And it is more esoteric because it is based on your birth date, time, and location. And what that does is it pulls up a chart that I am able to look at and see all of these different levels of your energy, how everything comes together. There's over two billion different ways that a human design chart can come together. So when we say people think that they understand. Yeah. When we say that you are so unique, and this is your unique energetic blueprint. I'm not kidding. Like there is no one else like you. Even if you have a twin who was born, you know, right after you, you're still going through life, navigating the choices that you're given with your energies in a different way. You're experiencing conditioning in a different way. And so it is this combination of your nature, like how you were born to be, and your nurture. And that's really the in this um instance, the conditioning that happens around you and through your parents, through society, through your teachers, through your friends, through just the societal messages that we get, even if people aren't telling us something directly, we're taking in this conditioning of how we should be, and it doesn't necessarily align with how we're meant to thrive, and it can really take us off track.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Um, so I am a manifester. What are the different, what do they call them? Different energy types.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Energy types. Most people, when they first learn about human design, will learn about their energy type. And oftentimes that's where people stop. They just kind of take that and run with it. Um, but there's so much more because you're a manifestor, but you're also an emotional manifestor, and you're a three-five emotional manifestor, and you have certain definition that makes you a manifester and certain gates and channels, and the way you process things, the way you view the world is going to be different than any other manifestor. Right. So there's um manifester, there's generator, projector, and reflector. And then also there is the manifesting generator, which is um, I am a manifesting generator. So I throw that in there as yes, it is unique in many ways, but really when we're looking at the way the aura operates, we're really looking at generator, projector, manifester, reflector. And so a lot of times what you're reading, when you're just reading something online in like an Instagram post or something, and you'll see descriptions of those. I I just want people to not take everything with a grain of like just take everything. Everything with a grain of salt.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

Because don't take everything so literal.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Yeah, because um, I don't share that on my, if you look at my content, I'm not sharing like here's specific manifesto, here's specific generator stuff, because it's really, again, so nuanced that some of it when I read it, I'm like, okay, well, that's for a certain generator, but that that doesn't translate to all generators. And so I think that kind of um does a bit of a disservice because people are like, oh, I don't really resonate with that. Um, but yeah, it's about how your aura operates. So for example, as a manifestor, you have what we call a closed and repelling aura. And the language of human design is very precise. And sometimes some people get a little turned off by it because they don't understand the frequency behind it and they don't understand that they're looking at those words through the conditioning that we've received.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Right. Yeah. Um, so that is something that I did want to talk about today. Like with my closed aura, what does that really mean? Because I can take it one way where, okay, I'm gonna draw in the certain people that I'm meant to be with, be around and to work with and to do all of these kind of things. But I do know that I get misunderstood all the time because people think that I'm cold or like, and I'm not at all. Like and that that um um maybe that I don't like them. I get I hear that a lot. Oh, I didn't think you liked me. I thought that yeah, you just, you know, hadn't wanted nothing to do with me. And I was like, I didn't even nothing. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah, so the closed and repelling aura, what that is, is people just can't read you. Yeah. They can't read you like a generator or a manifesting generator. We have this open enveloping aura. So we like actually have a pretty sensitive aura to taking a lot of stuff in. And we kind of are an open book. It's like, here's my energy, here's how it's working. Because by putting ourselves out there and being open, we're actually attracting things towards us to respond to, which is what we're meant to do. We're not meant to initiate. Manifestors are here to initiate. You can't initiate if you're taking in everybody else's stuff. And and you're not here to respond to what other people want you to do.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

You're here to initiate from within you. And so that closed aura is just protecting you. It's really a mechanism to protect you from other people coming in and trying to control you, trying to um get you to do things the way that they think you should do them. And so it's this mechanism that really is pushing away, when we talk about repelling, it's pushing away the people that aren't for you and allowing the people that are for you to come into your space. And then when they're there, you're informing them. Yeah. And informing doesn't always come naturally, but it's, you know, kind of gives them this ability to see inside your closed aura. Like you're sharing with them, here's what I'm doing that's going to potentially impact you.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

I want to ask one more question about that. Okay. I've never I have uh I've always kind of tried to understand like the informing piece because there's sometimes where I'm like, I don't feel like I need to tell you what I'm doing. So is there something that's in the manifestor side that is more like I really don't need to share with everyone, I just get to inform the people that I really feel like I need to inform, or is it good to always inform?

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Yeah. So think about who is going to potentially be impacted you by you. Because you're always impacting, whether you know it or not.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

And you're impacting if you're there and you're impacting when you walk away. So, for example, if you're planning on doing something and you know, your family's gonna wonder where you're at. Yeah. Um, but it's good to do because what'll happen if you don't inform them and they don't know is they might interrupt your flow. If it's like, oh, I'm going to be recording a podcast and they come in and they interrupt your creative flow as a manifestor, that is going to spark anger. And so by informing them, you're allowing your energy to flow. They're not going to come in and disrupt that in any way, and and you'll be able to continue moving through your process. Um, so that's an example. Also, if somebody, if if you've kind of been doing something regularly and people are expecting that of you, and you decide, no, I'm not gonna do that, whether it's this week or this whatever, um, letting them know because they'll miss you. They'll know and they'll they'll be like, oh no, what happened? Like, why aren't we doing this? Because they are expecting your energy. And so just kind of giving people a heads up, right? Anyone who who could be impacted potentially by what you're doing or what you're not doing.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

If you're giving energy to something or pulling it away, it's really good to just I think I struggled with that when I was a kid because it I had a lot of people uh people pleasing tendencies. And so I would overdo it and overdo it, and then I would get so like frustrated once I finally exploded. Yeah. And I would lose friendships all the time because I would just like be like, I just can't do this for you all the time. And I get now that I'm an adult, and I've done a lot of like you, like you would say, deconditioning and like making sure that I'm changing it. But I know that it even as an adult, even in the last year, I know that since I wasn't informing people what was going on with me and how it was, it caused a lot of frustration for other people or uh not being able to understand what was going on with me. Yeah. And we're no longer friends. Yeah. Because they just thought that I was um basically just I was misunderstood.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

And um, and this is where the nuance comes in because not only are you a manifestor, but as I said, you're a three-five. Yeah. And being a three-five, that fifth line, so that's the profile. Is it three, five? That fifth line is unconscious to you, but people see that, and it is a projection field. It is people projecting on you that you are going to save. You're like, you're going to be a certain way. You're going to be able to help me in a certain way. You can come in and you can save me. This is an energy that can really get pedestalized. And then when you don't show up in the way that they are expecting you to, or giving them what they think you should be giving them in that moment, then you're kind of ripped down from the pedestal.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Thanks for that validation.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

And you're um, you know, and and we say you can really be burned at the stake and it can impact your your reputation with others. That's exactly what happened. And yeah, and then as a third line personality, the way you kind of want to protect yourself is to like run away. Like, get me out of here. Um and you know, burn burn that bridge too. Like we can really as third line, so I'm a one I should say, I'm a one-three emotional manifesting generator.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

And there is that tendency of um burning bridges, like running away and creating too much space when when really I there's some stuff that probably still needs to be talked about.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yeah, so it's really the third line. What we do is we make and break bonds. And so it's like you said, it's getting away from the situation and then giving it some space to then come back again and kind of remake that bond, have that conversation. And when we don't give ourselves the space, and and you need lots of space in other ways too, but when we don't give ourselves the space from um a situation, if we're becoming, you know, too kind of identified with it, too wrapped up with it, um, it's it can feel really stifling. Yeah. And then we can get to that point where it's like, ah, I just can't handle this anymore, where really it's give yourself a little bit of room, give yourself a break, come back to it with a new perspective. Right. And so, yeah, so you've got this double kind of double situation with needing to inform because otherwise people are projecting on you. So it's like, I here's what I can do, here's how I can help you.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

And no, I I don't do that. I can't help you with that, but I know someone who can, or however you want to handle that. Um just being aware that there is that projection field around you is really important. It's really difficult. It is.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

I mean, I but it does teach me a lot as I've grown up. And I I think that uh even the stuff that was current that just brought things to my attention and my awareness for me to like learn a little bit more, um, was that I was still people pleasing because I was trying to make the other person happy instead of expressing that this is just not really wasn't making me happy anymore, it wasn't fulfilling me, it wasn't doing anything. And then the projections, the pedestal, like all of those things. And then I was like, I don't even know what I did. Right. It just and then it just it was like a bomb blew up, and I was like, okay, cool. Well, there's that.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Sometimes that happens and it's just out of your control.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Some some of that, you know, really can be. Um as a manifestor with an undefined ego in your chart, that leads to a lot of people pleasing as well.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

What is an under um so the ego center, when you look at the chart, that is my solar plexus, right around that area. It is above your on the chart, it's above the solar plexus, but it's a smaller triangle. Okay. And it is where our sense of um self-worth is and our willpower, our access to consistent willpower. And so this center, when it's undefined, we can find ourselves making promises that we can't necessarily keep. And that's extra dangerous if you're a fifth line that your, you know, your reputation is kind of hinging on your follow-through and the ability to help people in the say the way you say you're going to help them, and then you're not able to do it. And so this is where the informing and really honoring that emotional authority and not making promises that it that are like trying to make you, you know, be like, oh, if I do this, I'll be a good mom, I'll be a good employer, a good friend, all of it. Yes. So this like can be a real, real trap with the undefined solar plexus. And your solar plexus also has a hanging gate 40. And that's important because gate 40 is this kind of love of work. So you love to work, but like you can't do it consistently for many reasons. It's like you're going to be inconsistent in how you provide that work. Um but this gate 40 is pointing towards gate 37, which you don't have. And it the and it's on this undefined ego. And this can be very much I am going to show love through working and through potentially being.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

She is literally telling you exactly who I am.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Like through being loyal, trying to, you know, be loyal and make these promises to friends and family that you may not be able to keep. And then when you're not able to do it, there can be this kind of shame spiral that happens, um, this feeling of unworthiness that happens. And it's all because you're making these promises that I do not want to do it. We're like, it's like I what I didn't have the energy to do that, and yet I felt like I should because you know they're a friend, and I want to be a good friend, and I do want to do this for them. But if your energy is not there, and then later you just have to admit it's just not there, it's almost where it becomes yeah, that's where it becomes even more challenging. So it's just so good to know these things because ultimately what we're we're doing with human design and with deconditioning is we're becoming aware of all of these ways that our energy works so that we can witness it. Yeah. So that we can see that, so that you start recognizing that feeling comes up that comes up when you're like, oh, I should do this. And what does that feel like in your body? And start recognizing it, recognizing the story, the mental story that's coming along with that, because your body's telling you something. Your mind might be trying to tell you something different. Well, no, I have to do this. This is how you know everybody's going to, you know, see me and respect me. And this with that's the mind telling you something in your body saying, No, if you promise to do this and you're not listening to where you are.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

I find my body shuts down. Yeah. Like I notice, like I hunch a certain way, like my body mannerisms start, I start noticing things. Like if I feel in my power, if I feel like I'm making the right decision, and I know that I've done my emotional authority, I've done the whole thing, yeah, I feel good everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

But when I was when in the few pass at any time, when I would say those promises that I didn't, I knew energetically I could not keep, I would always feel so sluggish and I would feel tired. I noticed like again that I was more like hunched over. Yeah. I noticed that people would start asking me constantly, like, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? And I'd be like, stop asking me. Freaking wrong, dude. Like, I'm solid. I'm just over everything. Um and so I just I do notice that the I carry a lot in my body. And so I would I would just notice things and I would be tired every day. And I didn't feel like myself. I wasn't creative, which that is my number one.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

That's so important. So we both have in our chart what makes you a manifester is the channel of openness, and that's what makes me a manifesting generator. Yeah. It's a manifesting manifestor channel, um, and that is a creative channel, and it is a channel that is speaking directly from your emotional solar plexus. And that's how you're impacting people. And it's a channel that is individual. It's the it's the social channel of the individual circuitry. And so we're like wonderfully weird, and we want to share, you know, these deep emotions and our creativity. But we also there's this sense of, ooh, I don't know how this is going to be received. Um but what it's here to do is empower. And when you feel empowered by what you're sharing, that's that's going to be felt by others as well. You're going to empower others, you feel self empowered. But what can happen is we can have these situations that trigger us and we feel disempowered. And when we get Kind of lost in those mental stories that we can really end up in an emotional low because the emotional channel is such a deep part of us. It's not only our authority. So we need to make our decisions slowly as emotional authorities and recognize where we are emotionally in that process. Like if somebody were to ask you if you wanted to do something next week and you were emotionally like on cloud now and you were like, hi, um, you're probably gonna jump and say yes before really understanding this information. Even when I feel that and and I I'm like, oh, I want to say yes. I'm so excited. I say, you know what, let me sleep on it. And I'll let you know. Yeah. Because I recognize that it just is so important for me to touch base with kind of where I am when I am committing to things. And I have a defined ego, but I also need to be like aware of what I'm committing to because do I have the energy to really, to really follow through with that? I can push my way through it usually, um, but it doesn't mean it's right or healthy for me. So this, yeah, this channel of openness is all about empowering the other, empowering the other with your voice. It's so important. The tone of your voice, the way you share. And I loved um the most recent episode because you were talking about how you just didn't have anything to say. And that is so important with this channel. It's um it's this gate of openness or grace in gate 22, and that's in the solar plexus. And it goes to gate 12 in the throat, the gate of passion. And that is when you're open to sharing, that's when it's going to come out beautifully. And when you're close, it's literally gate 12 will not let you speak. It's like I just can't share. Yeah. I just don't have anything to talk about. And if you force yourself, it can come out very disgraceful. And and we have this innate sense of knowing that, which naturally pulls us back from sharing, naturally pulls us back from speaking when it's not right because we're really here to share with those people that can be transformed by what we say.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

And and not necessarily anyone else. It's like Yeah. So I thought that was beautiful because it's like, yeah, you're not, you're not going, um, you know, the more you try to hold yourself to being consistent and like, I'm gonna share this something every week, but you could really end up beating yourself up if you're like, I have nothing to share, but I said I would.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Even those promises to yourself, yeah, are just a like, I'm giving myself full for full permission to let it go.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Yeah. Because there's no point in me speaking right now. Yeah. Like there's just nothing.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

And if I'm not, then it doesn't surf.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

And that's just how I felt about it. And that was the whole point of the podcast was to not just heal my voice, but also really start to empower that part of me that is meant to do this on this planet at this time. And I've known that forever, but I've ignored it. Yeah. Because I was afraid or like whatever. And I just I'm not afraid anymore. And so I need to honor when I feel that energy coming through and just be like, no one's going anywhere. Yeah. Even though I'm just starting to build, yeah, it's not gonna go anywhere if people are really listening.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

And they're here to listen to my voice, just like you said. I've felt it for a long time. And so it's like, okay, just give yourself permission to like grief today, yeah, and cry instead of like having this like uh like forcing energy, like you said, because I would have just got on there and been like, this is stupid. Yeah, why am I talking to you right now? This is so dumb. Like, I feel like I'm forcing something just to make who happy. Yeah. Happy nobody.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

It would be just trying to prove that you could get on there every week and do what you said to me.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

And then I was like, but that's not the point of this podcast. Or anything that I want to build going forward, right, and I want to continue to show women that they don't have to do that. So I was like, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_00 26:21

You're you're here to you're you're here to initiate people and show them like this way of being. And um, yeah, and there can be also with that channel a lot of melancholy. It's like there's nothing to share, there's nothing worth talking about, there's nothing to listen to. Yeah. Like, and that's just a natural part of the process. Again, once you know, like, oh, I'm just in melancholy today, and that's really a creative space. Yeah. And it's not like, oh no, I feel, you know, this, you know, not making it mean anything bad. It's just being able to again just witness it and be like, I'm in melancholy. Oh, interesting. Uh-huh. Wonder when this will pass. Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Yeah. I think that the other thing that I always like really pay attention to um is when you were telling me about emotional waves in the past and stuff like that. Um, and how I would never allow myself to have permission to have those in the past because I thought it was being over-dramatic, oversensitive, over whatever, whatever, you know. Yeah. Um, so I've always been appreciative that we've been able to talk about those kind of things. So that way it would do it. But I'm gonna pivot really quick. Yeah. Um, so go back to the energy centers. So I'm a manifester, you're a manifesting generator. Yes. What other energy centers are there?

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Okay. So we've got there's nine energy centers. What makes me a manifesting generator is that I have a defined sacral. You do not have a defined sacral. Okay. So that's why you're a manifestor. When we look at those, like our chart differences, because we do have this same channel from our solar plexus that is a manifestor channel. If I didn't have a defined sacral, I'd be a manifestor. But I do. So um then, and we've talked about so the solar plexus, which is the where the emotions are. And so you either have that defined or undefined. Anything you have defined, you have consistent access to that energy. That is your life force energy, and that is life force energy through the channels. The channels are the lines on the chart. So you've got I've been talking about 1222. So if you look, there's the number 22, that's a gate. It links to gate 12 on the other side. And when they come together, that's a channel. And the fact that you have a channel defines the centers on each side. So we've got the emotional solar plexus, we've got um the throat center. So this is where we've got action and manifestation, which is not like what you think of in the spiritual community as manifestation. It's like just bringing things to reality, uh-huh. Um, having a consistent ability to do that. Um, where else do I want to go? Because we're I'm kind of touching on the centers that we've talked about so far.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

We have the ego center, um, which is that is that small triangle, and that's where we've got willpower. We've got the G center. So if you look at the body graph in the middle, there is like a diamond shape in right in the middle, like where your kind of chest would be.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

And that is where you have a consistent sense of identity or not. For like because we also talk about love in the center, and that love, that sense of love is really um not like romantic love so much, but it's kind of love of the self, love of life, love of the body, love, it's very much um, yeah, like if I don't know who I am, if you think of your identity center, it's like if I don't know who I am, how do others know who I am and how can they love me? And so there can be this like, if you don't have it defined sense of this fluid identity you have, you can make it mean something wrong, which it's really a blessing. So each of these centers, whether you have them defined or undefined, you have access to that energy. It's just whether it's consistent or not. And um, the stories you're kind of making up in your mind around that.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Well, and what I've always read is like conditioning or more susceptible. Susceptible, what the hell? Susceptible? Thank you. Um, that you are more like ex whatever that word is that you just said, to people's um like conditioning programming and stuff, and that's when they're undefined.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yes. So when they're undefined, you're taking things in and you're amplifying them. So for example, if someone has an undefined emotional solar plexus and they're around us and we have a, you know, our our wave is really more of a spike. Like our emotions can spike up and spike down very quickly. Like we can be like happy in the morning, low in the afternoon, happy again at night, wake up low for no reason. Um they can feel our energy and amplify that emotion that we're feeling that maybe we just feel it at like a two. Right. And in their body, it's like an eight. And they feel like, oh gosh, like you were saying, they're like, Are you okay? What's wrong with you? Like, why are you feeling so?

SPEAKER_02 31:34

I'm like, I don't know, I feel fine. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

And they're amplifying that and they want to fix it because they're amplifying it in their bodies and they don't have the ability to consistently manage these emotions that aren't theirs in their body. Okay. Because they're amplifying the others, and so it's natural that they want to like stop you from feeling that way. Cause they there's this innate sense of like, if I stop you from feeling that way, if I help you feel better, I'll feel better. Because they also get to amplify our happy, like excited, hopeful emotions, and that feels really good to them. Right. It's another reason why before getting in relationships, it's good to like meet people a few times because they need to be able to deal with all of our emotions.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

All of them.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

All of them. That's when they're right for us. My poor husband. When they can deal with all of them. He's defined emotional ATS. Yes, he is. Um, so yes, that's and then what happens is we become older and hopefully start going through some of these processes like you're talking about in your podcasts, and you know, whatever modalities help you, you become wise in these areas. You're sensitive enough that you're like, okay, I'm picking up something from this person, but you're not making it personal. That's a beautiful part of human design is learning how not to take things personally, learning how everybody truly is different. They're operating differently in the world, they're meant to, because we're all bringing our unique gifts and our challenges to each other to work through in relationships. Um and so there is wisdom to be gained in these open centers. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Um, so for a manifester, we do not have, we have the undefined sacral.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

You have the undefined sacral.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

And then the manifesting generator, they do have a defined one.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

We do have a defined one. So every type except for the reflector, because the reflector has zero, zero defined sentence. The every type except for the reflector has has the ability to have emotional authority. So you can have an emotional projector, you can have an emotional generator or manifesting generator, and you can have an emotional manifester.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Okay. So how would how does a manifesting generator then with an emotional authority that also still has that like sensation that you should follow your cycle, right? Yeah, yeah. So do you have to follow both?

SPEAKER_00 34:01

It's a process. Okay. It's a it's a process. So first, we're not here to initiate, we're not here to like force things to happen from the mind. We are here to respond to those things that are in our space, right? So this is like not, this is not having somebody ask you questions that you've made up about like, hey, should I start this new program? Andrea, ask me if I should start this new program and I'll feel my response. Okay. That is not how it works.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

That is not how it works. It's really coming from a place of surprise almost. Like, ooh, you know, something came up and my body felt expansive around that. Like I felt pulled to it. I felt open to it. And so that can't happen when you've mentally tried to hack the system. You're not going to get an authentic response. So that's step one.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Same as a generator. Yes. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Yes. So anybody who is a generator, they're here to wait to respond to life, to wait to respond to what is magnetized to them because we have this open, enveloping aura that is pulling things to us to respond to. And then as an emotional generator or manifesting generator, you got to recognize there's that response, and that can work for some, you know, small decisions in the moment. Like you don't have to sleep on what you're gonna have for lunch today or like never eat.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Again, people taking it way too literally.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

There are people who are taking it way too literally. Um and so I'm just picturing this. Okay, so then if it is something that's going to take time, money, energy, give yourself as much time as possible to make a decision around that.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Okay, so because of the emotional.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Because of the emotional piece. So it's like, ooh, yeah, there was something there, but I'm gonna sleep on it. So I'll give you just like a really mundane example is like I'll be on Instagram and they market something to me. And there's something in me that's like, ooh, that's interesting. I have learned happens to me all the time. Learn from like doing it in a way that I know is not correct for me. Um I copy and send myself the link. I email myself the link, and then I wait to see over the next couple days if I have a response to open the link. Great. Do how do I feel when I open the link? Like it's just very it's a slow process. Even for things that people will think that I should be an automatic guest for. For example, there is a human design conference happening in September that I am still feeling into.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

And early bird pricing is on June 15th. That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I agree. I like to do it until the very last minute. And if it's still I'm too much in my head and thinking about it, it's a exactly.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

And if I feel like that sense of nervousness has settled, I'm still excited about it, but I'm not like, woo, or I'm not like kind of feeling this like, oh, I just don't know. Then I'll go ahead and do it. That might happen before June 15th. If that happens, great. If not, and it happens later, I'll pay the higher price.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

I'm the same way. And especially if I want it bad enough.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Yeah. Like I just, the thing is with emotional authority, we're always still just continuing to take in more. And yes, there is a bit of a mental process with that because we're take we our bodies until they're settled in this like sense of comfort, really, with the process and moving forward. We're taking in more information around the situation. And maybe there's something out there that we just don't know yet. And then we'll know it and we'll be like, oh yeah, I really want to do that now. I didn't know that person was going to be there. And we didn't mentally make, you know, it was just like, oh, something about that draws me in. Or, ooh, ooh. Or even I've had this experience where there was something I wanted to go to and I was excited to go because somebody was going to be there. And then I found out that they weren't going to be there.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

And the energy for it dissipated. So it is a process-based authority. You are just feeling into it and then trusting that what is there, what is going to be there, will be there for you. If it's right for you, it will still be available.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

And that's where people, you know, just have a real hard time trusting that, like, if it's meant to be, it will be, it will be there for you. I phoned over you. And um, yeah, so I love how we're just like meandering. This is very like. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

I don't know if I answered the question. You did. You did great. Um, okay, let's go to projector before reflector. So they can have an emotional authority, but do they have a particular one like manifestors or generators or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 39:08

So while the projector aura is um focused and penetrating. And so the projector aura can really um penetrate most, it's really the generators is really who's who's going to feel it most. But it's this penetrating aura, and they're taking in the other.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

And so they're here, they're here to guide. And the way that they do that is by really understanding the other, who they would be guiding and taking in that energy. Okay. And they have several different types of authority. Um, the emotional authority is, and why I like to really talk about it, besides the fact that my emotional solar plexus goes to my throat directly. Um, is like about 50% of the population has emotional authority. So I think it's really important for people to understand on both sides of that.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Yeah. My oldest is a projector and an emotional authority. And Dylan, the younger one, is a spleen dick, I think. Oh, he's spleen dick? Oh, very cool. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Yeah. So yeah, so you've got one who's making decisions, who's meant to make decisions slowly with this emotional authority, who might be the one who's making them quickly, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Because we often he's pretty good about doing it a little bit more slowly. That's good. And honoring a lot of space that he needs and doing things. Well, I love that. Yes. And then the other one, being a projector, he has so many undefined centers, like so many. I don't think he barely has anything defined. And he um is Sling Dick. And that it's Splendick, Spling Dick, meaning dick, dick, spling dick. Spleenick. It's not dick, it's spleenick. Um I love it. I literally said that to my husband the other day, and he's like, Are you sure that's how you say it? And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I was just making that up. But I I feel like that's an inner knowing, right? Is that what that means?

SPEAKER_00 41:04

So it's um, so this is coming from the Spleenic Center, which we're gonna talk to Spleen Dick. Um and so this is just kind of this quick intuitive knowing. Okay. And it's something that can be quieter until, especially until they really understand what it sounds like, especially with that many open centers. Because if you're in, you know, somebody else's space in particular and they're asking about something, you're taking in their emotions.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

So you're taking you know and he is so empathic and gifted and like all the things they both are, but don't is like a dance.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

So like we can tell that he We didn't even talk about how long we've known each other.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

I know, we'll get there. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Yes, they are, yes, they are um so yes, we've got this the spleenic authority, which is quick. And it's and the spleen, they say the spleen speaks once. And so that your answer to something can change. So this again, you could be like, Yes, I want to go to that party or whatever, and then something happens and it's the moment to go, and you're like, I don't know why, but my body just says no. I just it's a it's just a no. I have whatever, whatever that sensation is in your body, which is what I love to explore is like, how's this show up for you? What do you feel when you know this is happening? Because everybody has something different. Um, there are some things that we find are similar, but um, yeah, so we've got splenic authority for projectors, we've got um self-projected authority. What's self-projected? So that's when they have the um the G center defined to the throat. And that means that they don't have there's a kind of a a level of different centers when it comes to authority. So they don't they don't have the um the emotional center defined, they don't have the splenic center defined. Um they don't I think they could have them like they could have the ego. Um but so they could they don't think yourself, you know it's I know what I do know is that they have their um they have usually just for typically what I've seen is they have the G center and the throat defined.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Yeah, because anything else below that would be another, yeah, they'd be sacral or they'd be spleen ankle. Yeah. So they're speaking from their identity, they're as they're making decisions, they're talking them out, they're hearing really does that does that align with who I am, like this decision moving forward. Cause again, this is the center of of direction. Right. Um And self. So yeah, so we've got that. Then we've got mental projectors. So mental projectors are very open below the throat. They could have the throat defined or they might not, but they have, you know, either the ajna and throat defined or the head and the ajna defined. So when you look at their chart, it's going to be very colored in at the top. Yeah. So your ajna is where you're, it's kind of your mental processing. Okay. So your head center is where you're taking in inspiration, where you're like taking in questions or coming up with questions if you have it defined. Um, and then the ajna is right below that, and that's where you're processing the information that's coming in. You have opinions and ideas and realizations and rationalizations and insights, all of that's happening in the ajna. If you have it defined, that's a you have a consistent way of mentally processing. If you have it undefined, your mental processing is not consistent, and it can be different depending on who you're with and what's going on in the transits. And yeah, but a mental projector is going to have a defined ajna in some way. It's either going to be defined along with the head or defined along with the throat or the head and the throat.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

And so again, they are kind of in a soundboarding process in their environment. They're talking to different people and just kind of hearing it back. Hearing it back.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

So another thing that I've always read.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

It's a very high level. Like when I go in my sessions, we go super deep.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Well, you go, well, and you're gonna connect with everything just like I would in astrology. I'm like, your sun, sun, and your moon is not you have to know so much more about yourself before you dive into this because you're all so different.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Before you try and take it and hack the system.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

Exactly. Um, so but they're they're meant to like wait to be invited.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Yes, all projectors, best the best practice, I guess I would say, um, their strategy is to wait for the invitation. But can you still put yourself in the room? Yes. Oh my gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

So I think that it gets so people take it as too literal. And like even when I was reading about my kids, I always continuously tell them, like, I don't care that I know that you guys look at me like I have three heads when I tell you you're a projector, but you guys are. And I was like, but that doesn't mean you have to like, okay. Um, at one point, my youngest um really wanted to go to one of the dances or whatever. But since nobody called and said go, just go, he wouldn't go. And I was like, baby. And I could just feel him like processing it, like feeling so left out, or just like you know, um, what is the word? Just um people they didn't see him, they didn't see him, like he just felt so left out and everything. And I was like, so go.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

I mean, I get it, you feel like you need an invite, yeah, but like this is a community thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

The invitation isn't for everything, so there's formal invitations to um work, like for jobs, where you're gonna live, when you're in relationship. Um, I feel like I'm missing something, but to guide, because projectors are here to guide the other because they see the other so deeply. And so really what you're waiting for when we say wait for the invitation is when you're in relation with the other, it's just it's kind of like informing in this way of can they hear what you have to share? Are they open to your guidance? If they're not open to your guidance, they're not going to hear it, you're going to feel bitter. And because you can see so often like where they're, you know, misappropriating their energy, where they could be doing things more efficiently, where they're really shooting themselves in the foot. And so, um, but if you're not recognized and invited to share that, and you just blurt it out, as you know, a lot of projectors do. Well, here's what I see, and here's what I see, and here's what I see, and why is nobody listening to me? And then becoming very bitter about that. That's where it's like, but that's like wait for wait for that invitation. Um, but yeah, you don't need an invitation to live your life. Yes. Um, you projectors are here to master systems. So do what excites you, do what your what your energy is drawn to, and you recognize others. So continue to be like, hey, to other people. Hey, I see this in you. This is really cool. Like, you know, in a way that you're not being invasive, but something that's true to you.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

And then you can kind of see like, are they reciprocating it? Do they also recognize you? Are they open to relating with you? Once you're in a relationship, um, the invitation is often still there. Yeah. Um, but it's always good for a projector to be like, hey, do you wanna um I see something here? Can I share this with you? Do you want some feedback? Do you want some? And maybe they'll say, No, actually, I'm I'm good, but I'll let you know if I want you know, and so I love projectors so much.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Oh my gosh. I don't know. I don't, I've heard so many negative things about manifestors and projectors. I'm like, what? They are like my best friends, yeah, all of them. Yeah, like I I have a couple of generators, but I always tend to like clash with generators. I don't know why. It's we all have different reasons because we have a whole chart. Yes, and like so it's not really that they're a generator, there's something else.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

It's just like that specific generation.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Yes, but projectors in general. I both my kids, my best friend that I've been friends with since we were little kids, like so many people that I tend to like get flawed uh drawn to.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

It's interesting because I think that they just let me be.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Yes, and so they it's just non-sacral energy, right? They're just like not revving you up with the sacral, you take it in, it's amplifies.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

They always listen really well, they give me really good feedback, they're always supportive.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

And your Venus is in gate 13, the gate of the listener, so that's a value for you.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

And it makes me so happy because they're the one person that I can trust to like share everything with. Yeah. All of even my kids, yeah, and just be able to share everything and they don't judge me, they just completely like see me.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

Whereas I think other people are like, oh, you know, like Andrea, you know, like and granted, this is just my past experiences, you know. But I've just noticed that they have this soft thing that they give back to me where they're just like always see me. And like even my kids will write things in the card where I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, forget that.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

It's like and then their wound is like they don't feel seen.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

They don't feel seen. And I've always seen both of my boys that way, yeah. Where I know that they didn't feel very seen when they were joking here, but I didn't either.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

And so it's I know how to then help them because I always just made sure they were heard, they were seen, that they were felt, even if they didn't feel that from everybody else. Yeah, they did it, they got that account.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

And you're so intuitive, so it's like picking that up. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, reflector.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Reflector. I don't know any. I think maybe one.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

I have um, I have a really good friend who's a reflector. I've yeah, I've been meeting some some reflectors recently. Um, so reflectors can either because they are completely open or undefined, I just almost like a mirror, I've heard. Yeah. So they mirror back communities, the situations, like they're taking it in on a very uh like a large scale, like what's you know, mirroring back the health of a of a situation, of a community. Um and they can be either the most conditioned or the least conditioned.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Because really, once they are aware of how their energy works and how they can take in others, uh it's they really can just let it slide off because it's they don't they don't take it in naturally, they don't take it in as deeply as the projector um or the generator. Yeah. So we're the most um I would say actually we're the most likely to be conditioned because of how we take it in, but the the reflector is like the most likely to be kind of homogenized. Like they could be like for safety reasons, to feel secure, they can be very like follow the rules and uh or they can be like the rules don't matter.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Like they don't apply.

SPEAKER_00 52:35

Because they, you know, they're they are here to be surprised by life, to be surprised by people who are who are really authentic, who are doing things in a in a unique way. Um, when they're in a healthy state, this is, you know, they're they're reflecting back again. If if you see a reflector and they are not doing well, they are not surrounded by people who are are doing well. Um so yeah, they have a they have a long process when it comes to decision making. They are instead of being solar beings, they're lunar beings. And so their process is waiting a full lunar cycle because that's where their consistency comes in. Okay. So when you look at a chart and you're like, but what can they hold on to, right? They don't have any defined centers. Well, they have a consistent in the background way that they are defined with each moon cycle, because the moon goes through the 64 gates of um the hexagram. And so they have a pattern that they're going through, this background energy with the moon. And so they the more they can learn how to tap into that and what it feels like, because they they never feel the same. Right. Like people can think that their ref the reflector is um kind of flaky, because they just they're not the same. Yeah. Any one day, like the only day that they have their their energy, their definition. I mean, they do have definition because they have the gates, those are defined, but the only day that they are their chart is the first day they're they're born, and that's it. Because that's now you've got everything happening. Oh I thought I thought it was a wasp. A lady landed on me, hanging out on my hand, landed on my nose. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

Um she was like, hello. I want to be a part of this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

You're here. Thank you. At first, I was like, no, is that a wasp on my nose?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

And I was like, oh, she's gonna not like that.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

I'm glad I don't get bothered by bugs. So um, yeah, so reflector charts and um the ways reflectors are impacted by others. That is a very, very unique analysis. I love doing those because we're able to really help them understand um themselves because they can feel, you know, really different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

I think it would be crazy because they have you're besides their gates, they don't have anything defined at all.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

It's just so they just have whatever gates they have, but none of the gates connect to make a channel, so that means none of their centers are defined. It would be, I think, hard. Well, like I said, they actually can be the the least conditioned. Yeah. If once they know that how they're to make decisions and go through surrounded around the right people, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:35

Yeah. Yeah. That would be that's all I'm saying. Yeah. Like I guess. If you didn't know anything about this and you didn't really understand, I think it would be really hard because you could also fall into one of those like, you know, situations where everything is going wrong all the time. Why is everything going wrong all the time? I don't understand why it's going wrong. Like, yeah, why do I always feel like I have bad luck? Why do I feel like this? Yeah. Instead of being able to like understand that, oh no, it may just actually be who you're surrounding yourself with. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

Because again, they're reflecting back the people that they're with. Um, and they do have some what we call substructure. We all have substructure that you can rely on, which is um your environment, your cognition, your motivation, your perspective. There's a lot of things that you can't see on the surface of the chart that also we all can tap into as guidance and ways to nourish ourselves, um, ways to know if we are on the right track or not. Um, so they do have access to that as well. But for them, it's just, you know, really important to recognize they're all the there is a reason why they feel different every day. Yeah. They have different energy levels. I mean, some days they could be a manifestor, some days they could be a manifesting generator, some days they could be a projector in this like kind of energy, not their aura. Their aura is not going to change, but the way that their these channels come in as it goes through the lunar cycle each month. And so it's really, really empowering for reflectors to learn about their human design. Um, and even if they've learned about astrology, even if they haven't learned about human design, often they will connect with, you know, just this awareness that as things change and flow for them throughout the, you know, the month, the year, that they they do change and they feel differently and they're meant to.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

And there's a beauty in the cool thing. Yeah, a beauty and it's cool because then you can have all of that different energy, like all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

And it's so interesting because people will say, like, oh, I saw my chart because you know, about 70% of the world are generators or manifesting generators. Like we have the defined sacral. Um, about nine percent are manifestors, one percent are reflectors, and about twenty percent are projectors, although those numbers are kind of constantly changing, and I've seen um like the projectors have gone up to 22%, I believe. Yeah. Um, but if we're just kind of giving a ballpark figure, so you can see like how if you don't have a defined sacral, you feel like you've got to keep pushing and be productive. And that's just the conditioning that's happening around you. And so it can be really empowering to learn about your energy type. And that's a great starting point. That's a great foundational piece, is to understand how your aura works, how you're meant to um make decisions. And so those are like if you've got those, that's a really great start, as long as you're honoring it. Because you can know it mentally, but if you're not embodying it, if you're not actually going out and and experimenting with what happens if I follow this and what happens if I don't, and you know, getting that kind of data back, you're not going to like it's not gonna change anything for you. There's no transformation if you know the information and you don't do anything with it.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Right. Um, I'm gonna pivot just a little bit. You know, everybody right now, it is the huge fad to be utilizing our human design for making money, for our business, which I think is beautiful. There is no judgment. I think that it is really important, but I feel like more than anything, it's like it's I feel like it's so much more for us to see ourselves in such a like a deeper level. And so that way we can start to really understand who we are. Yeah. And then I feel like the rest will just flow. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I think um I mean, what are your thoughts? I have the thoughts. I know. Please share them. It's around this.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Um, yes, there are a lot of people out there teaching how to hack your human design and focusing on how to use your human design in business and focusing how on how to use your human design to make money. I think that's part of that can be dangerous, frankly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

Um, but the money piece to me, when I see that, I just my whole body is just like, ugh, because by the way, I feel like we just have too many things in our chart for you to just be like, because of X, Y, and Z, you're going to make a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you can just watch this piece, yeah, you're gonna be the richest person in the universe.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

And it's not, it's just not universal. It's not like you you just okay. I'm trying to get my words around. Lady Laden. Okay, I think the the reason I think it can be dangerous is because it's to me, that feels like prosperity gospel. It feels like if you live your human design perfect, you will be rewarded with money. That is very much the way our world is set up right now, and that is not reality. Yeah, that is not how your human design works. That's not why human design is here. Um, and it sets you up to feel so much shame or stop actually experimenting with using your human design. But what I find is most people that have jumped to that, because that's the marketing that will pull them into human design, haven't built the foundation. They don't understand how their energy energy works. I have met people recently that they have some, you know, know something about the line of their whatever, their mercury. I don't even know what they're referring to. I mean, I know what the line of the mercury is, but to be honest, they're like trying to use this piece maybe in I don't know mercury is you know your voice, so maybe in how they write or how they communicate or something. But they don't know what their life force energy is, they don't know what their authentic energy works, they don't know about their channels, they don't know about their gates. So to me, you're like jumping so far and you're not working with the foundations, and then you're like, Well, that didn't really seem to work. So this is all bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:27

And then you aren't actually getting the benefit of living according to your human design, which is to find out.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

You looked at a little tiny sliver, yes, it's like just even in in astrology, everyone always looks at their sun, or they look at this and you're like, cool, there's like such a big thing that goes with the rest of it. And human design is only bigger, yeah. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

And so I think you know, if somebody has found that to be beneficial, that's great. Totally. That's great to help them. Probably means there's also you're also probably already following your strategy and authority or have a you know, innate sense of how your energy works and you're working with it and not against it, and you're not letting the stories of your mind take you off track. Uh-huh. So, yes, this is like when I see anybody who's actually um pushing anything, it's like, yeah, that worked for them, probably because it what they're doing is often aligned with their design. Right. Whereas sometimes it's not, and then you find out later, like, ugh, it just like blows up. Um, but but they were pushing it because we have such right now, the background frequency of the world is like, how do I make money? Make money, make money. My worth is is all around all tied up in how much money I make. And so first you've got to recognize that your worth has nothing to do with how much wealth you have. Yep. That's the first step. Stop chasing that because that's not guaranteed to lead you to a life of fulfillment or what your life is meant to be. Because what happens, like I said, once we get to you know our 40s and 50s, especially women, look around and they go, Why does my life feel so off? And it's because you're you're not living your life. You're living the life that you thought you should live, and that that was going to get you somewhere. Now you've got to this point and you recognize that isn't the formula, and that's because there's a different path for everyone. Um, so I do think it's dangerous to promise people you're going to have 10k months by following your human design. It's not true. And if it was, I'd be really wealthy right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

So I wish it were true. Uh that would be cool. But um, that is just not a guarantee. And usually, like I said, what they're teaching you from what I can see, because I've never had a response to like want to do it, want to do that, because it just feels really icky in my body. Every time I I see those things, I have this like, ugh, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

So let's move on. Like, no. Oh, I mean, there's so many other things. The Scorpio rides really bright in that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

So I'm just like, no, that's that doesn't feel right. Um and yeah, so it's to me, they're not you're not getting the fullness of understanding your human design.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

And I will say the easiest way to sell somebody something and the easiest way to make money yourself is to tell them that you will make them money. I promise I have the way to make you money.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

And then I also notice um, because I am a first line and I like to see what people's designs are and see where some of this is coming from, that um the people who are selling you on that often don't have their charts anywhere where you can see them. They don't. And I've I have been able to find some information and a lot of times they're undefined egos and they're promising you with their undefined ego that they have the answer for how you can make money and they're trying to prove their worth by making money. It just feels And that's not every occasion. That is just like that is just um something that I've noticed a handful of times where I'm like, okay, that's interesting. Yeah. Um, and that's fine. They're going through their process. Right. They're on again.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:15

There is no judgment. It's like y'all do whatever you want. But I just feel like that wasn't the purpose of this to bring out for all of us. I feel like it was more of a yeah. I feel like it's more for us to understand who we are so we can step more fully into our full authentic self and be able to make life easier. Yeah. Not necessarily richer. I mean, richer is great. And I'm telling you, universe, I'm here for it. But it's not the whole point of it. Yeah. So I feel like it can feel icky and not authentic if people are trying to sell things that it's only about money instead of it like really being about something from your heart and like something like, no, I'm actually here because my purpose is actually to show you how to decondition decondition. I can talk. Um decondition some of these things so I can serve in this way. But if I'm not healing any pieces that are needing to be healed in here, that my human design is showing me that I can and giving me the possibilities to do that deeper work and to understand who I am. I may not want any of that anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

When I really step into my true self, like I think about it all the time. I know I have it in every chart. I have it in this chart, I have it in my uh my Vedic, I have it in Western, I have it in numerology, I have it in this. I am meant to use my voice to serve this planet to help women. That is noted. She's embedded in here. I know who I am, and I've figured it out now that I'm 47. But I I still like I don't know that if I got like huge with it and I was helping all of these people, and I'm not saying it won't happen one day, but I'm just saying, like, I don't know if being consistently on is what I need. I would rather be able to serve the women that are really, I'm really here to serve and to do these things. And if the money comes, the money's gonna flow in and out of our lives no matter what. It's just energy. Yeah. And so if we can just like have those, like that fulfillment coming from our hearts, our bellies, knowing in our energy that we feel so good about what we're doing, that is what is important.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:39

Yes, that's what it's about. And and the beauty is if you build something great and vast and whatever that is, and you do it in a way that is aligned for you, then you don't have to be on all the time because you've built it in accordance with your energy. And that's what's going to feel really good to you is that you are being authentically yourself. You are honoring your energy, and you happen to have this incredible, you know, community or whatever it is that is supporting you. Right. And so, you know, there there's just there's just so much there's just so much more than money. And most of us, the reason we're chasing the money is because of conditioned reasons. Yeah. And there are people who are using like their human design, quote unquote, to make money, but really that's because they already, that was already something they like, they're following their design, and for whatever reason, yeah, that also is bringing the money. But then when they turn around and say, I figured it out for me, that doesn't mean it's gonna work for everybody. And that's the whole point of human design is differentiation. So you can't say this worked for me, and so it'll work for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

I'm very drawn to the people that understand all of it, like you do, and that are able to look at every person so differently and understand, like, and is honest when they talk, like, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. Yeah. It why would it work for you? It's not gonna work for you because of blah dah, dah, dah da. And it isn't gonna resonate with you anyway. Yeah, you know, and so you actually are gonna need someone that's gonna be softer and this is this, like you know, I having this manifestor energy. If I only understood my manifestor piece, I would think, oh my gosh, I need to be so loud all the time, and I need to be big, and I'm making I have to make the biggest attack in the world. Yeah, yeah. But I'm not like that, yeah. And I have had to really honor my emotional side and my gate whatever 22 something of openness and all of these other things that you've taught me. And I have to go back to my chart that we've done, like our big one, you know, where I get to go back to those things in your session because it will remind me something every single time.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:03

Yeah, yeah. And now I don't I don't do the the printouts anymore, but I always record the the zooms now so that people can go back and listen. Yeah, there is something different in hearing it and um taking it in that way where it resonates with people, where it lands differently than reading something. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:25

So Well, we we'll do it again in the future and record that thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:29

Yeah, but that's why I don't mind like if you're a good friend of mine, and especially if we've already explored your chart and you're like, hey, I have a quick question. I'm like, oh yeah, if I if I have the energy for it, I will I will chime in like I do and be like, oh, I see this, this, and this, you know. Right. And um, yeah, I like doing that. So, and when it comes to business also, you can definitely you, I mean, you're gonna utilize your human design naturally in your business because it's you know an extension of you. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

I think I think my whole gif was what we covered. Yeah. Because I didn't feel like it and I just wanted to see.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:09

And it's not about cramming your human design into traditional business, it's about how does business work for you with your design. It's kind of a, you know, so when I see people trying to squeeze human design into the way of doing business that the world is working in right now, which is kind of falling apart anyway. Um, that's where I'm like, okay, well, there seems to be some compromising there that maybe is not necessary, but you know, we live in a weird world right now. We really do.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

And it's in the middle of transitioning and it feels very uncomfortable. And I'm not really loving all of it, but it's fine. I mean, I'm here for it, but I'm not really loving it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:47

We clearly were meant to be here for it. I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

Um all right. So, what part of your chart do you think is often overlooked but incredibly super important? So I Because everyone has a different answer for this.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:04

I know. Oh gosh. I want to know yours. I was like, all of it. I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:10

Well, just give me a little bit more of a brief.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:13

So for me, I think one of the things that um, and this is something that I didn't learn right away that I think would have been really helpful to understand early on, is on the conscious side of the chart, where if you're looking at a chart that's like you're facing it, it's everything on the right side of the chart. In traditional charts, it's usually black. Um in the substructure, we have our perspective or view and our motivation. And so this is like mentally how I can just kind of be aware of if I'm on track or not. It's always in flux between um really how how your your view is meant to work and what we call distraction. So for me, I am possibilities view.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:02

So I'm here to see the the long shot possibilities, what could potentially happen, be very open, be very like I can see see things from just like a more like a wide vantage point and see kind of what trends might be coming in. You know, there's this sense of like patience with this too. Like, oh, that might be possible, maybe. Um when I am not in a healthy space, and this helps me be like, ooh, also shouldn't make a decision right now about this. I will have um uh distracted to probabilities view. And that's a very for me, some people are meant to be probabilities view, and that's their correct way of seeing the world. For me, it's very like it's it's like everything narrows. I can only see like this is absolutely what's gonna happen, and it's not true. It's not, it's not what I'm meant, how I'm meant to be looking at things. And that can then take me off track. And it can feel very like how it feels in my body can be very like, oh, I have to do something about that because this is certainly what's going to happen. Um, and then that also impacts my motivation, which is I am hope motivation. You're also hope motivation. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

I was gonna be like, what am I?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

I believe you're wanting view and and hope motivation. And so hope motivation, I I call us like the hope dealers.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:31

Like we're like I feel like that's very resonating for both of us.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

Like we're here to um naturally we have this um intelligence within us to know when to step in or not. Okay, when things are going to work themselves out. It's this sense of I don't have to, I don't have to fix that. That's gonna work itself out. I don't know how. Again, I just know these this is very like almost faith-based. Yeah. Like, I don't know how it's gonna work out, whether that is, you know, the universe is gonna step in, God's gonna, you know, any of that. It's just like I don't know, but it's gonna work out somehow. Um, and trusting that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

And then what can happen is we can transfer to guilt motivation. And that's where we feel like I have to fix it. It's on my shoulders, it's very hyper-aroused, very resonating. Yes, it's very like, and we feel guilty if we can't, and I should be able to be the one, and I gotta fix it now. And and so that feels to me like my body's like on fire. Like, I feel like I have to, you know, handle this. And so once I started recognizing that and just paying attention somatically to how it feels and what the stories my mind tells me around those parts of my chart, I know, like, oop, I'm I'm, you know, everything's narrow. I feel like this is on me. And it's natural. You're never gonna stop that. Right. Because it's kind of like lightness and darkness. You can't know what the light is if you haven't experienced the darkness. So it's kind of like that. You can't know what hope motivation feels like if you don't get a taste every once in a while of guilt motivation or guilt transference to tell you when you're off track. So I think that part of the chart for me, um, diving deeper and understanding that. So now that's something I bring to my clients earlier in the process. Because I'm like, pay attention to this. This is your mind, you know, telling you like where it's at. Right. And we shouldn't be making decisions from that. You can and it'll move you forward, but it's not gonna, you know, and and we do, whatever. We're not gonna do it perfectly.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

We're not gonna be perfect all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:40

Um, but it's just another good awareness to have. And and I just now pay attention to that. So I'm out here to see the possibilities, share hope. I'm not here to fix anything. I'm here to, you know, just like empower you and support you and give you that that sense of we can figure this out and you can do it. Um, and again, there's just like concrete examples, like mundane examples. So talk story. My knee was bothering me a week ago. And I I think I pulled it dancing in my kitchen. Um, I did something. Yeah. In my house to myself for 30 minutes. No, no, no. Is that what you were dancing? I was cleaning the kitchen and I was dancing, and the next day my knee was not right. And and um and it lasted for about a week. And I I was like, hmm, no, I like ever like every once in a while there was like this like you should probably see a doctor. And then I was like, no, no, this is gonna work itself out. I just knew it. And then and and you never know how it's gonna work itself out. And then I happened to, at a networking event, run into a new friend who is a massage therapist, and I showed her, I just happened to say, yeah, my knee's been bothering me because there was like they were making like a dancing room. And I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm I'm trying to be very tender with my knee right now. And I was like, it it really hurts right here. And I showed her, and she's like, Oh, well, you know, um where you feel the pain is often not where the issue is. And I was like, oh my gosh, I did that, yes, I did know that. She said, with the pain there, it's probably something to do with your quad. And I was like, okay, so maybe I just like tightened up my quad too much, pulled my quad. And so after that, I started just like massaging my quad. And the next day it just got better. And the next day it got better. And I didn't have to go because I was like, I just don't feel like this is necessary to go to a doctor and go to a referral and get an extra and go to PT. And it just felt like that's not necessary, the answer here. Right. Although that would be the traditional answer that someone would have done before. Like, oh, your kneecap feels like it's out of place. You absolutely should go to the doctor right now. And I was like, no, this is gonna work itself. And I bumped in, right? Third lines, we bump into things, we bump into people, we bump into solutions. I bumped into somebody who happened to have the answer, and with a couple days, everything was fine. It was fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:15

So that's just, you know, a little example of hope motivation. It doesn't have to be life changing.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:20

Right now, right, but again, we take everything way too literal because that's who we are. All right. I really want to ask this. So, have you noticed connections between human designs and inner child healing?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

I just think it's important just because I feel like once we start doing the deconditioning, we start noticing patterns that we've had since we were younger.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

Well, yeah, yeah. I think I haven't even if you don't specialize. I was gonna say I it's not something I have like consciously tracked, but naturally the way you have been conditioned comes from how you were conditioned, you know, firstly by your parents. And that's happening before you're seven, and so you're really unconscious of it. And so you're carrying a lot of this along. And yes, I I can say for myself, like when I look back, and I also was having um trouble really connecting with my emotions. Like I had shut my emotions down. I had learned to numb my emotions. Um and I I started um numbing my emotions at 12 years old with shots of alcohol. Like I just learned, like, because nobody talked to me about my emotions. That wasn't something, first of all, that our generation of parents typically talked about. And also, my parents are both unemotional, non-emotional. I won't say un-emotional, non-emotional. Don't have their emotional centers defined. So I'm sure at a very young age, like my emotions, which were big emotions, were probably like nothing. Why are you being so traumatic?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:55

Why are you being so sensitive? Why do you feel all these things? Like, I just think you're being overreactive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:02

And so I think I learned to like not show those, to keep those inside, even though I was still feeling them. And then I would didn't know what to do with those feelings, and I was uncomfortable with them. And so I learned like, when I don't feel like being social, again, 1222, like I I often needed to take sick days as a um middle schooler and high schooler because I just knew I I couldn't be around people. You're the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:27

Yeah, it's like you know this, and it's I numbed out the same way too. So I I I have the same pattern.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

It's very, yeah. So I would be like, oh, well, if I take this shot of Southern comfort, like that seems to help. It just numbs them just enough. Um and yeah, so I didn't have that healthy patterning. And so going back to yeah, my self as a child and seeing that, I have so much compassion. So much compassion. And I finally, um, towards the end of 2020, so I started learning about my human design in 2020, learned I was this emotional authority. I actually have two emotional waves from my sacral all the way up to my throat center.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:10

And very similar in that way, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:12

So I've got you don't have the sacral, but mine's like, yeah. So I was like, oh oh, oh, like my emotions came online like big because I allowed them, and then I was still numbing them through 2020. Because come on. Everybody started, everybody started numbing things in 2020. Um, and by the end of the year, I said, no more of this.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:41

I'm not, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm going to fully feel my capacity and honor that. And I stopped drinking, like I think December 14th was my last drink because I recognized that. And I'm sure then like I, you know, numb them out sometimes on social media. There's other ways we do. Um, but yeah, I just am like, no, this little girl that I was didn't have the the understanding that I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:12

And now I can get that to her. And then on the on the flip side too, just other parts of my design of like being big and being chatty and you know, those I've been like being big. I know what she means. I'm so tiny. She really is. But like I have this defined ego. I have this kind of presence that that I can carry. Um and knowing who I am, yeah, and it just it's like, yeah, like at what point did I start giving that away and start feeling like it's not safe to fully be myself in that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

So I think it's helpful because it gets to I we get to heal little pieces of those things because we bring awareness to where we were as a child. But I think it also gets to help us pivot, heal ourselves, and then also pivot it towards our kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:03

And understand everything about them and be able to really be like, okay, you know what? I'm not gonna repeat the patterns that happened when I was younger. I'm gonna give this awareness to now understand, like, okay, I have two projector children with a manifesting generator and a manifestor.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:19

I've noticed that we have to just understand they need more space, they need it quieter. So do I, but we can be really big, yeah, you know, when we're together, my husband and I, you know. And so I've had to just remember like what it was like for me when I was little. Okay, you know what? You did need your space in the six days, telling my mom I was sick and staying home and lying because I just needed to be in my bed all day. Yes, and not understanding what that meant. Yeah. And, you know, now, like I we obviously my husband and I don't always agree on this. But you know, there's days where I know they're lying and they just need a day. And so I let them stay home and then they're fine by the next day and they're ready to go. If they're really sick, then I know, you know, but I know the days when they just really need a day.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

There's no need to like shame them for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:09

No, and so I let them because then they're going to they're going to be able to go back to school or back to whatever in a better state because they had that break. Yeah. And they don't have to have that shame and the guilt or like whatever. I just let them have that moment of whatever. Um, and I think it's just been really helpful for me to understand my kids so much better. Because before, you know, it would be like, why is this so hard for you? Like, why do you not why do they, you know, and once I learned it, I was able to go, oh shit. Yeah. Well, they're both projectors. Yeah, they don't have that consistency. This one need they need way more peace and way more quiet. And you know, Justin and I've had a many, many con sorry, my husband. Um, and my husband and I have had many, many conversations where I've had to just be like, hey, like I get it that this works for you because you have this like more bigger energy, the manifesting generator. And I was like, and for you, it's like you don't understand, like, just go do it. Like I can just get it done. Like, I just he still has that generator in there, period. Of course. Like, and so he can just like da da da da. And I was like, they just don't work that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:17

You know, and it's a hard thing to do it, but I've noticed how much softer we all are because we are honoring all of it and just realizing that everybody works a lot better. Yeah. If we're not trying to push, it's I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:29

Yeah, I found it also to be extremely valuable with my boys. So they're um 16 and 18. So for the last six years, I've had just awareness of everything from how they learn, how they take in information, you know, how their emotions work, how their energy works, they're there, they have some similarities and then they have some big differences. And and also when they kind of pick on each other for those differences, I can be like, you know, you guys, you're just not nobody's the same. And he just doesn't do things like you do, and that's fine. Right. Um, and I also have those same conversations with my husband, kind of gently reminding him, um, oh, well, you know, this and this and this or whatever it is. And he's like, Yeah, I can see it. Like, that's just how they are. Like, it's really about learning to not take things personally and and that you can't control other people. You can support them, you you can, you know, do your best to understand them, but um, you know, I've talked to some people, and they're like, How do I get my kid to do this? And it's like, this is not about manipulating them. This is about how if you need that to get done, how can we get that done?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:44

And how, you know, whatever that's their own chart and magic to really done in this amount of time for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:51

Maybe that's not for them to do that. Or, you know, it depends on your needs and their needs and how it's recognizing how do you condition them naturally just without even just being we conditioned just through our energy being together. And and how, you know, what is the messaging that they're getting uh around that too? And so yeah, it's such a a beautiful way to be really supportive. And even when I'm kind of like in a uh like last week, I was really just like in an emotional way about like the fairness of things getting done around the house, you know? Like the mental load, the all these things. Um, but I also am looking and seeing, okay, well, this is how my husband operates, this is how I operate. This is, you know, and what about this? Am I trying to control or doesn't need to be a certain way, or you know, I'm the one who cares about this more. And so, you know, I can't necessarily be like, you guys are intentionally not. It's not that. No, it's not that it's I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:56

I've had to have that conversation a few times in the house of just being like, it's not intentional.

unknown 1:30:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:01

Um I I I get told a lot, you know, that yeah the kids don't do enough, or they you're not showing them how to be responsible boys, men, you know. And I was like, I disagree.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

I disagree. I mean, what is the the like the most empowering thing you can do for a child is to empower them to be themselves. Yes. And so that they trust. Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:28

You two are going to be amazing, Jostas. You are.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:31

It's like if you can teach them to trust themselves, to have compassion for themselves. And you know, I'm still working on that with my boys. They they don't really want to know about human design.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:42

So I'm I'm just kind of Oh, they both just look at me like, okay, mom, whatever. But they do understand like that I'm making valid points.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:51

So you're I mean, you're initiating them, you're here to initiate, and I'm waiting to see. Like if they want to know more, yeah, I'm here, I'm here to share more. But there's so much you can do just by understanding the other without teaching the other, even just treating them as they are, supporting them as they are. Um, and that goes for all relationships, that goes for friendships. Like, um, and I like I don't I I don't text you and expect you to to respond. Yeah. Like, I'm not like, I'm really why doesn't Andrew.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:24

I guess I'm good at responding though.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:26

Yeah, but I'm not like that. If you didn't, I'd be like, oh yeah, you know what I mean? Like you, it's just so much more grace and compassion for everybody and what they're going through. And again, not taking it, not taking it personally. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:37

And so I think it's really hard though, like you said in in the beginning of the conversation, is that we are so conditioned that things need to be a certain way. And so if we can give each other grace and understand that we are also different, even if we are all generators or manifestors or manifesting generators or projectors, they're all gonna be so different. And if we can just like look at it in a bigger like way, yeah, and just be like, okay, yeah, but they also have this, this, and oh my gosh, I don't even think we're gonna have time to go over profiles today. Probably not. We'll have to do makeup first. We'll do a part two. But um, but yeah, I just think that if we can start doing that and we start to honor each other, our friendships will thrive, our relationships thrive, our relationship with our children thrive, and we are able to just kind of give ourselves so much more of a um like a I don't know, like respect and peace and love and all of these different things, understanding that it had nothing to do with what you think it actually did. Yeah. It has everything to do with just this. Yeah. And that everyone has their own shit going on all the time, not just their chart.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:45

Yeah, yeah. There's so much. I mean, that's just that's just a part of it. And um, yeah, yeah, you I was just thinking about how even things like my husband has an undefined ego. Yeah. So, but his conscious son is in gate 51 on his undefined ego. And it's like this, like, he does have this need to prove and need to compete. And that's, you know, there can be he can make promises that I used to feel like mine does too.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:14

I used to be like because this is sounding very familiar. Like, I not mine, but my husband.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:20

Yes, I know. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:21

I can't remember either.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:22

Um, but I've learned again, he'll say, I'm going to do such and such. But that doesn't mean he's going to have the energy if he's making that as a mental promise. I'm going, I should, you know, I can tell in his head he's like, I should do this, I'm going to do this on this day. Um, and it might be months before he like, oh my gosh, he's been telling me for years he's gonna do something with the bathroom fan. Um, and he is not. And I could get really like, ah, you said you were gonna. It's fine. But it doesn't serve. It'll get done when it needs to get done. Right. I'm not that worried about it. But it is just, you know, so things like that where you can be like, you know, these are not like if I say I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it. But I can't expect myself from others, especially when they're not defined the same way I'm defined. And so just an example of like how complex your chart can be.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:20

All right. Well, we're gonna stop it at there because her and I could talk for probably four hours. But um, is there anything else that you want to share today? Because we will do a part two because I want to dive into like the profiles and the different things. Is there anything else that you wanted to share? Oh, first, if that if you do want to share more, go ahead. But I'd also like you to tell them like how they can book with you, your one-on-one session. So let's cover that and then next time we'll go into it. Yeah, no, I think that's great.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:45

Okay, so what I've got going on, um, you can find my offerings or offers. I always smell it weird to say offerings. I feel like I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, giving you useful offerings. Um I, if you are new to human design, or if you want to go deep into your chart, I have Nurture Your Nature sessions. Those are sessions of um three, three session package. And we do one a week for three weeks in a row, and that gives you time to explore parts of your chart, go out into the world, experiment with it, witness it, come back with questions. And then we will do layer by layer. And even that won't get us all the way through your chart. It'll just be three weeks in a row where you can be really intentional about learning this information and starting to apply it to your life. And then you're always welcome to book another set of three sessions. We can go into your kids' charts, your spouse's charts, how you, you know, all we can go deeper, deeper, deeper, however deep you want to go. And so that's really, you know, this analysis and coaching piece. And then I recently added on because I am bumping into so many people recently that are um familiar with human design, but like I said, they they maybe um want to have a conversation about a specific thing that's coming up through the lens of human design. And so I have for them, I do have one-off sessions, but those are for people who already understand their human design, their strategy and authority, um, and just are wanting to go into an aspect of their chart or an aspect of something that's coming up in their lives. So I have that. And then if you guys are in the Denver Boulder area, I do once a month in-person human design hangouts at my house. Um, those are very intimate. It's a maximum of eight people. And um I'm usually teaching something and then we're just sharing. It's just a space.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:40

Is when you're teaching, are you teaching like what's currently going on?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:44

Yeah, right now that's what I am.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:46

Yeah, I don't and I'll probably I'm going soon, so I just want to be honest. And I'll probably be doing that for the the remainder of the year. Um, so what I've been digging into, which I think is is really good information to have, is the gates. So wherever the sun is, if you know astrology, the sun is, you know, in Gemini. But in human design, that is broken down into 64. The the 360 degrees are broken down into 64 gates. They are based on the Chinese I Qing hexagrams. Um, and that energy is the background energy of the transit that is most impacting us. And you can really hear it, you can see it in like the zeitgeist. It's fascinating. And it is also something that could take you off track if you're not really um honoring your strategy and authority because it's just kind of whipping us all around in some ways. And so what I've been doing is we talk about um kind of the gates of a season. So on June 19th, I don't know when this will come out, but June 19th, we're gonna be talking about cancer season, the human design gates and the transits with that, so that you just have some like hot tips to go back and read and be like, oh, okay, pay attention to this, this, and this. Those are the things that might be coming up for you or those you love. And you can help them also maybe hit pause. Cause even if you have an authority that's a quick authority, that can if it's if it's being mentally driven, yeah, that's not your authority. So, yeah, so I'm excited about that. So I think those are my my three things that are on my plate. And you can always follow me on Instagram at ginallen.humandesign.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:33

Awesome. Well, thank you for talking with me today about everything. I love it. I um I love it too. Um, we will have a part two because we have so many more things to dive into because again, human design is huge. Yeah. Um, but um, I will make sure that all of her information is down in the show notes. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being with me today. If you have been enjoying this podcast, I would be so grateful if you would take a moment to subscribe, share it with someone you love, or leave a review. It helps these conversations reach more women who may need this message right now. Thank you for being a part of this community. Until next time, keep shining your light.