Great Films! Let's Never Watch Them Again

Today Ricky and Brandon discuss on some truly wonderful, brilliant films....that they never want to see again. 

CW/TW: Addiction. SA. General Bummer Stuff

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Please grab your popcorn, and large soda, because it's time for a mostly film podcast. Hello, hello. Welcome to a mostly film podcast. We are the seers of the screens, the talkers of talkies, the full-on fools for film. I am Brandon, and with me is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?

SPEAKER_03 0:36

I'm pretty good. I liked that a full-on fools of film. It has a nice ring to it.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Yeah. Oh, I I I'm here to bring the alliteration. Eventually I'm gonna run out of synonyms for movies.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Alright, this is just the the show, okay?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

We just really like tired of doing by episode four. I maybe I shouldn't have always started with three current things. Like, really should have spaced them out, like one an episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Well, we are done in Oh crap.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

It's it's really gonna be like, uh we are the um marvelous men of the moving um pictures. Yeah, that's a good that's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

We're the film guys. We're film peoples.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Uh I'm I'm glad we're having all of our laughs and giggles up top because man, uh this topic today may not be the most laugh-filled giggled episode. Uh we'll see. We'll see if we can make some horrible inappropriate jokes. Uh because Ricky. No, never. Come on. We we are too respectful, we're too highbrow. Ricky, what is our topic for today?

SPEAKER_03 2:01

So, um the way we uh started it out was like great films that we never need to watch again.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Exactly. Uh the way that I interpreted it uh is typically movies that were very good, very brilliant in a lot of ways, but also usually so heavy and dramatic that it's just emotionally heavy. And boy, do we really need to be emotionally depressed in these trying times.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Yeah, it's like 'cause like when when I really started to get into film, it was like, you know, you for for me, I guess as an escape, you know, it's like you're you're like and I mean a lot of times I feel like a lot of people do that who like get into film, it's like, man, I don't want to deal with this. Let's like watch something, and then it's like you're like dealing with something hard in your life. It's like you don't want to like deal with something else, like bringing you down even more in a totally different way. So it's like I usually like these aren't the the types of films that I want to go to.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Yeah, it's I I remember that in high school, I have a fond memory of some friends being like, we should go see the new Transformers movie. And then my girl my girlfriend and I at the time, like we were like, we never saw Transformers, so we like sat and watched the first one, and we were just like Transformers, more like Transborers, because like like we would only watch movies that were like two serious people talking in a room, drinking coffee, and being like, you know, life ends. You're like, this is cinema, and that's kind of what these movies are gonna be like today, I think. Yeah, yeah. Oh man, it's it's actually very funny because one of the things I wanted to talk about uh when I was thinking about my personal preference of these movies, I did look up uh like on Reddit or just different uh vulture posts or what have you of basically this exact topic. What are some heavy movies that people never want to watch again? And I was really shocked at some of the movies that I saw, like uh Hereditary was on there, which I've seen four or five times. Oh Ariaster's amazing. Um a marriage story was on there as like one. I'm like, I I guess I I guess it really does m depend on like what sensitivities we have. So like if people don't want to see, you know, a a married couple just kind of go through a bad marriage, that could be pretty upsetting for them. Or if you're hereditary, maybe you maybe you get upset seeing a little girl get her head lopped off. I mean, that's not me. Come on, I think that's that's just really quickly. Have I told you the story of when I saw hereditary? Probably.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

I don't re-remember though.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I I saw it with a friend of mine. Uh, we were doing a a show, like a theater show, and then we had a break in between, so we're like, let's go see Hereditary. We hear it's great. In the theater was me, my friend, this woman, and her eight-year-old son.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Oh dear lord.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Yeah, and at that 30-minute mark where the little girl gets her head lopped off, spoiler alert, um the kid just got up and walked out, and I remember the mom going, Where are you going? I was like, What do you mean, where are you going? You just this kid just saw a kid his own age get his head get their head lopped off.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

I really hope she like he had like pissed her off. So she's like, We're gonna see this. She had already seen it. We're gonna see this. And then it's like, um, she she's like, Alright, do you see this? This is what's gonna happen to you if you don't behave. It's like she's like trying to like get to get back at her child because he keeps acting up.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

I I hope I hope she just truly thought like this isn't Beverly Hills Chihuahua. The Chihuahuas. You wanted to see this movie. You kept saying you wanted to come see the movies. I I thought this was I mean, we're not seeing a Chihuahua, but maybe that's the twist. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Oh dear lord. Yeah. Uh yeah, there was I was gonna there was something else I was thinking of, but maybe I'll think about it.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah, we'll cut that out. Well, Ricky, do you want to start with your first movie or would you like me to start? Um you can go ahead. Alright. I'll start with one. I think you probably have a good idea. This movie was from 2000. Uh I've I'm sure we've spoken about this before. You're already nodding and smiling. You think you have an idea? Do you want to guess?

SPEAKER_03 6:52

I think this is the the one that I brought up to you yesterday. That uh that my coworker like because I didn't think about it, and I was like, oh my gosh, how did I not think about this? I'm gonna guess it's Requiem for a Dream.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

It's the Santa Claus 2. Oh yes, it's Requiem for a Dream. Yeah. Requiem for a Dream. I saw that movie uh probably a uh five or six years after it came out. So I was still young. I was probably like, I don't know, 13, 14. Like I was way too young to watch that movie. Yeah, right. For those who do not know Requiem for a Dream, uh it is a Darren Aronsky Oh my god, I cannot speak today. Darren Aaron of Sky. So you have um the brilliant uh Jennifer Connolly in it. Uh you have Jared Leto, Marlon Waynes, and the absolutely immortal Ellen Bernston Burston. Um, and they all have their own kind of addictions. So you have Jared Leto and Jennifer Connolly who are they're dating each other, they're super into heroin, they love it. Uh Marlon Waines is more of a distributor in that movie. Um and uh then you have Ellen Burston, who is Jared Leto's mother in it, who she's as you know, her husband has passed away, she's just an old woman living alone, and she's really addicted to like television and specifically this game show. And her story is the most fucked up and rough to watch, I think. I mean, they're all brutal. Um, but with Ellen Burston, her whole thing is that she's thinks she's gonna be on this game show on TV, and she gets really excited because she just wants people to see that she's someone and she wants to talk about how great her son is, and like it's it's really sweet and kind of heartbreaking. But she starts taking like diet pills from a very sketchy doctor, and she starts getting addicted to these diet pills, and she starts hallucinating. She sees her fridge coming to life and like trying to attack her. It's she starts at one point hallucinates like that the TV show is like in her room and everyone is like pointing and laughing at her, being like, You're so like old and ugly and lonely, and like she's just like, No, please, I'm I just want to talk about how great my son is. And it's just like fuck man, this is so upsetting. The the thing I think that fucks with me the most about that movie is there is a song, I believe it's called Luxaturnia, is the name of the actual song.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

And I'm you've I'm sure if you're listening to this, you've heard this song a thousand times somewhere, and it's the one that's like da dun da da da dun da da da dun da da da da da da da da da da da dun da da da dun Like it's just that violin.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

That music is so intense. It it could literally like it doesn't matter what is on screen, you're gonna have a panic attack if that music is playing. It could be a child drawing, coloring in her, like they're like a little coloring book, but if that music is playing, you're like that child is gonna die at any second. Yeah, it's it is so intense. The you know, there's too much to cover in the movie, but like it ends with like Ellen Burston's character gets sent to uh a hospital and goes through like shock therapy treatment so she can like basically stop being like, I'm gonna be on television. Uh Jared Leto uh ends up uh getting his arm amputated because his uh arm gets infected from shooting up heroin. Marlon Waines finally tries heroin, good for him. And it doesn't go well because they end up like trying, they basically try to drive to Florida to get some drugs, uh, and they get pulled over by some police. Or when he takes uh Jared Leto to the hospital, the police come in because they just know, okay, these guys are heroin addicts. So Marlon Waynes gets put into prison, and um the the guards aren't nice to him, uh put it mildly. And then Jennifer Connolly basically starts selling her body for drugs, and the final like montage that you see is like all this happening of like electrotherapy, guy in prison, guy in arm, uh guy in hospital losing his arm, and then Jennifer Connolly, uh plug your ears if you have children for a moment, everyone, uh, has to put a dildo in her butthole with another woman while people throw money and yell, ass to ass, come, come, come, come. And then the movie just kind of ends after that, like, alright guys, have a good trip. It's it is fucking relentless of a film. It never, never stops. Like, for like or even like super early on, you kind of just go like, oh, this is gonna end horribly for everyone. Like, even when they're making money selling their drugs, it's not glamorized in the like the slightest. You can just tell things are gonna go poorly for everyone involved, and I'm just gonna sit here and watch it.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Yeah, I I I don't remember when I saw it. I I do think I've only seen it once. Um yeah, it's been a while. Um of course, like the ass to ass scene, you know, that is like an iconic uh moment from it. It's like I feel like people like, you know, know that uh scene.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Like you You know that scene even if you haven't yet.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

Yeah, it's like you like know the reference and everything. Um and like yeah, I uh I there was like things that I didn't remember, like like the Afridge coming to life. Yeah I definitely remember the heroine addiction and the uh wound on uh Jared Leto's arm. Yeah, it's gross. Like and like yeah I I knew like like how intense this movie was. Like like it it has that r reputation, like so I knew about it before I saw it, but I was like, yeah, I gotta see this.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Um Yeah, I don't know why I watched it or who I watched it with. Like, whoever's like we should put on this, this should be a fun time. They can go fuck themselves. It was not a fun time.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Well, I did it was probably one of those things because like you know, word will get around like, dude, you gotta see this. You you you gotta see this movie, and it's like, why did I have to see this?

SPEAKER_01 13:41

There there was an irony to the subject uh for our subject today, is because I actually did re-watch this just to kind of refresh my memory, just because I was like, I don't want to re-watch it because I remember how it made me feel, and I was surprised. Wow, I remembered quite a lot of this movie. I didn't need to re-watch this. I why did I do my work? Why am I trying to be prepared for this podcast? Yeah, it's one one thing I did like that I will say is just for the movie itself is there are some really wonderful tracking shots in it that absolutely add to the tension. Uh like the first time that Jennifer Connolly um basically sells her body for sex, uh which by the way, I did forget it was Keith David, is that who she sells her body to the first time? He's like the first pimp. Oh wow. Um, yeah. And when she's or I guess that's the second time. The first time is just to like this other guy, but like uh when she's walking out of that room, the camera's either just like right in front of her face and kind of like following where her head is going, or it's like right behind. And both of them were like equally upsetting because it it just gave this like really weird detachment almost. Like it's really focused on them, but you almost feel detached from them at the same time, the way like they're almost detached from themselves at this point. And so it's I mean it's really well done, but man, now that I've watched it for unfortunately a second time, I can very confidently say, never gonna watch this again. There is no need for me to watch Requiem for a Dream again.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

Yeah, and I I I I know the uh films uh that I picked like um pretty universally light, like and something I remember about Requiem for a Dream is like the performances are amazing, but yeah, it's just like um So I guess my my question is would you say it's a must-see?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Like or Oh man, that's a great question. Um I I will say yes, because I think it's one of the most jarring movies about addiction I've ever seen. And the fact that it covers you know, TV addiction or weight loss addiction, too, not just like drugs are bad. Uh did you have DARE growing up? Yeah. Was that something in your school? Okay, so that's not a universal thing. Uh for those who don't know, DARE is a drug outreach program that was an absolute failure. Basically, they would pull these people into schools, they would try to teach you like just say no. You know, I'm sure it was some runoff from like the Nancy Reagan initiatives or something, but if they just showed Requiem for a Dream, drugs are done. Kids are not like That's a good call. Yeah, just just like because every time Dare was like, you know, drugs will make you feel happy. You don't want that, dude. You're like, no, I I think I kind of do. If you show, hey, ass to ass, right, kids, yeah, I think that's gonna maybe uh wean a few people off of some heroin.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

To be be fair, did um you ever see like the um Well, not sure gonna say to be fair, ass to S. Have you tried it lately? I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Don't not try it.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

But um, like, so in high school, like when we were like um doing like driver's ed and everything, they like made us watch the this video, like with like car car crash like. So like, you know, to like kind of along the same lines, it's like don't, you know, drink and drive, you know, like drive safe and everything, and like you know, to get people to uh you know be be safer. And like there was a guy in there like eating a sandwich, I r remember like l like one of the students like eating a sandwich during this. So I mean there's always gonna be, like, no matter what, there's always gonna be someone's gonna zone out or yeah. But yeah, I mean I I I feel like it is great at um yeah, showing like an authentic view, I guess, uh of addiction and you know how how deep and dark it can get.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

I am curious if you do show this to younger people now, are they gonna just be like, this is hokey, or do you think if it'll if it'll land, I've no idea. I I would imagine it would land.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Um I don't know what these young kids today are.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

These kids and their uh haircuts and music all that and everything. I see someone's been TikToking.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Um one final note before we move on to your uh your first pick. Um when you said that this movie is probably pretty known even if you haven't seen it, there is a joke from American Dad that I love, which is like just some random guy being like, uh, I'm an actor. I was one of the people yelling ass to ass.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Oh, that is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

It's like, what a weird reference to pull out, and I love it. That is good. Well, we'll end on that note there. Ricky, what is your first movie so good? You don't want to watch it.

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Alright, so this is one that I know you haven't seen. Um, and I'm pretty sure when I saw it I had texted you about it, but it's been a while. Um it's a Romanian film from 2007. Um, and it's by uh the director Christian Mangu. I'm not exactly sure how you pronounce his last name, so I apologize. But um it is called Four Months, Three Weeks, and Two Days.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

I'm not familiar with this at all. I have not heard of this. What is this?

SPEAKER_03 19:45

Do you have any guesses on what this film could be about?

SPEAKER_01 19:49

The title one more time, please.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Four months, three weeks, and two days.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

So m it almost sounds like it could be prison related. Okay, it sounds like it could be like sickness related, like time left on Earth. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

So what do you so re re watching it, there was a lot that I didn't re- remember. Um and I was like clocking it when I was watching it, and you you don't really know exactly what it's about until like 35 minutes in. Um so it starts starts out these uh two two uh women and um what is a dorm room. Like like so like their their students and their their roommates and everything and like I'm not super familiar with like Romania and like the the politics and everything, but I think like um especially around this time like it was pretty like impoverished. Um so like the the one roommate is um she's like going out and she's like doing something for the other roommate. Like the one roommate's pretty like reserved and everything, and this one's like doing something for her. So she's like going around the the town and everything. Um and uh like it's like she's like going to a hotel and she's like re trying to reserve a room at a hotel and everything, and then she has to like meet with this guy she doesn't know. Um and then eventually like like she meets with the um guy and so eventually like like the uh two girls and the guy meet up in the hotel room, and I'm pretty sure that is the moment when you find out the one is pregnant and she's trying to have an abortion. Oh wow. So and like I don't know I don't know if all abortions here are it illegal. Um it kind of seems like because like they're like trying to do it like very like Like under wraps and everything, sure and um the uh guy who they get to uh do it um is like you know, we could go to jail, like and like I would definitely go to jail and everything. Um so yeah, and but like the the um girl is like so once you like find out what what it's about, the uh guy is like alright, you know, he's like doing an exam and everything and asking her the these questions, like how pregnant are you? She's like, you know, two months and everything. He's like, alright, and then like like he does the exam and he's like, You're not two months pregnant, like so short story short, here she's uh you know, four f four months pregnant. Like like she's very close to that five months you know, she's like right at the end. So four months, three weeks, and two days. You know, that is how how pregnant she is.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Oh yikes.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

So, um, yeah, and like so something I didn't mention, like like one of the uh things the the the roommate is doing from the beginning, she's trying to get the money together to like pay this guy. So like he like does, you know, his exam and everything, and they're like talking about it, and um she's like, Well, you know, I have the money, here's the money, and then he's like, Did I ever mention money? And um they're like, Well well, you know, no, and everything. So, um, yeah, your uh face is uh kinda yeah, you uh you might know where this is going.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

But um Unfortunately I think I might.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

But yeah, so it's like he he doesn't out outright say it, but he's like, I'm gonna go in the bathroom and then I'm gonna come out and you can tell me who's gonna go first. Um Jesus. So they have to pay for this abortion by having sex with the uh guy. Um and it's like there's like a scene where like he just like there's a moment where like he he kind of snaps on them and it's just like like he's like talking down to him and like, you know, I didn't make this mistake and everything and um So like they really don't want to do it and um the the girl who who's pregnant she's like lied to him like numerous times like you know saying how pregnant she was and like so so it's already not like not getting off, you know, to the right thing. It's like she was supposed to meet the guy but the roommate went and um she uh told him that it was uh her sister, but no, it's just her a friend, just her her her roommate. Um and yeah, they don't wanna do it, but you know, it's like what are they gonna do? So they have sex with the uh guy, um and then I mean he he comes through on his end. Um he like Oh dear lord.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

So um When why why did you see this movie when I mean did you see it when it came out?

SPEAKER_03 25:19

No. I don't remember exactly when. Um I think I saw it after we uh had graduated college. Um Okay. So yeah, within the past like, you know, ten years or or so. Oh my god. But like, you know, it's a very like uh re respected movie. Um great re reviews considered like, you know. Um it's on the Cr Criterion channel right right now, and it's like they have like a thing going like um I I guess it was kind of like like the late 2000s was like a big like um boom for like Romanian cinema like like these directors were like were like coming up or whatever. Um but uh yeah so so they they have sex with with the guy and then he um he like he's already like talk talked to them and like so what he does is and like you like you don't see the actual like you like see him going through it but like they don't do like a close-up of the vagina or anything like the camera's probably just like on the doctor or the Yeah so so it's like the way it's set up is like you like see him and the uh girl and it's like he's like gotta insert this thing and then he puts, you know, this um I guess some kind of liquid. Um and then he tapes the tube to her leg and he's like you know you you you can't move and like you know and he's like so once the fetus comes out you need to like take it up, you know, you like can't bury it, you can't flush it because it'll get clogged. Um so you have to take it up like ten stories and like drop it down a laundry chute. What? To like get g get rid of this. And they're like they're like, alright, you know. So like he like tells them all that, he's like, so he's done. So he's like, alright, you know, I can come back like um tomorrow and everything, and they're like, We just had to have sex with this dude, like we don't want him to come back. So it's like they're like, no, no, no, it's alright, it's alright. And he's like, Alright, fine. So he's like, and then he like touches the uh girl's leg. He's like, take care, you know. Oh jeez. Like uh so yeah, um, and then he leaves and the uh two are just like sitting there, and then um the the the roommate she she has a boyfriend and um she's like promised him early on it's her her uh so she's she's meeting her boyfriend's parents for the first time. So um and it's uh her uh boyfriend's mom's birthday. So he's like, I really need you to like come, and she she hasn't like like told him, you know, anything that is going on. And like she's like pissed at the uh friend, you know, for like getting her in this situation, but I mean she still cares about her, so she's like, you know, you I'm gonna leave for an hour. I have to go to my boyfriend's, you know, see his parents, and then I'll come back. So she like goes over there and like um it's crazy because like there's like this really long scene where it's like mainly like on her like face and like the uh family, her uh boyfriend and the family is like around her, and it's like a really long take of like just like them like having a conversation and like you know talking about whatever and like she's just sitting there and like I don't really know what the point of it is. It's like are we supposed to be like just like wondering like what's going through her head right right now? Um but I think one of like the uh points of the movie is like um you know like I don't really know the politics of like the era or or anything, but it's like you know, the rich and the poor, and it's like you know, like they had to struggle to like get this abortion, and then it's like his family seems to be like, you know, living pretty well and everything.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Um Yeah, I mean that that's probably it. Just showing that dichotomy of like women have to go through so much more when it comes to this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

And that is like so like the boyfriend can like tell she she's sh sh she's upset. So like she like tells him, like, you know, she doesn't tell him that she had to have sex with the uh guy, but but she uh tells him that you know her uh roommate, you know, had to have an abortion. So it's like he's like, you know, like well, you know, you should have told me and everything, and it's like she's like kind of like going off on him, like um, you know, you wouldn't have helped and everything, and he's like, I w I would have helped, and then she's like, Well, how how could you have helped? And um, you know, what if what if I was pregnant? And then it's like he's like, Are you? And and like, you know, it's like she's like, you know, just like and it's kind of like so like you you you know this and like I've had you know an experience with like you know, I I've kind of experienced this scenario. Not directly, but you know, in a way. And like I like think back on it and I'm like because like I Abortion's a very touchy thing. You know, it's a very touchy subject and everything, and I'm just like I wish, you know, hindsight as a male that I had like handled it better. I feel like I wasn't as understanding, maybe, as I could have been in like my experience. And I think that is like, you know, another big thing that um, you know, this movie is trying to uh tell us.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Um first off, before you go on, that's that's actually really cool that you said that. Like, that's that's very, very cool of you to say, to be like, man, I I should have handled something that in that world better, because I'm sure we all could. Not everyone's gonna be put in that situation, and you said it's a touchy subject, so you know, you never really know how you're gonna act until it happens. So the fact that you were able to reflect on that, that's actually very cool, very serious.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Yeah, and I mean I just feel like, you know, could have been probably like more su supportive and just tried to understand it y you know, better from that from the female who was dealing with its like point of view, I guess. Um and what they're like dealing with. And yeah, I mean it's like cause like the way the the film you know, it's like um the males kind of act like, you know, it's like they know all and they can, you know, just fix everything. And and how the doctor is kind of like um actually I don't even know if he's a doctor. Like, I'm assuming, you know, the uh guy was. Like, um, but it's like, you know, um they know all and he's like shaming, you know, them. And it's funny because like he like does that and then it's like he has a moment where he's like, I'm not judging you, and it's like you kinda just were 100% are.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Um but I guess the question is then is this one that you would recommend to people, or is this like a you could probably pass just because it's it's an incredibly tough watch.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Um and spoiler, like like she she leaves the uh the party and goes back to her friend, and the uh friend is like sleeping and she's like, Oh my gosh, is she dead? So like she wakes her up and she's the uh friend just says it it came out. So she goes in the bathroom and there's the fetus on the floor. Oh my god. And you see the fetus. Um Oh lord. And uh yeah, so she wraps it up and um she goes and there's like a five to ten minute scene probably of her trying to uh find out where she's going to dispose of this, and like she goes up and she's like freaked out, she like keeps hearing noises and stuff, and um she's like walking through, and I mean, yeah, if she's caught with this, you know, it would be huge. Um and eventually she just um finds a place to dispose of it. She it does seem like she like sends it down some kind of chute Um, but uh she eventually goes back to the hotel and the ending is the uh the girl and her roommate just getting dinner and then the final shot the uh the uh the roommate turns to the camera and then it ends.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Man, that I I mean it sounds like it's really well shot, but definitely a heavy, heavy story.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Yeah, like it's it's an incredible film. Um I I would say you should see it once, um, for for for sure, but it's like I've seen it twice now, and it's like I don't, you know. Man, it is rough.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Like uh Man, next week our topic has to be like movies that make you feel like a fluffy bunny.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Oh yeah, yeah, like um it's it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

This topic, I I'm reading a book right now called Reservoir Bitches uh by Dahlia de la Cerda, and the very it's like a bunch of short stories that we wrote. I needed that laugh. But it it does cover this topic, and I I think uh if anyone's interested, that's a good book to jump to. Um any last thoughts before we hop on to another depressing ass film? This was a great topic. We are two films in. It's so funny. Like, literally last week we're planning what should today's topic be? And we're like, this will be a great topic. Like, that's really fun. And then I think we both forgot, oh no, we're gonna have to talk about these really fun topics.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

I just was like, damn it, I don't remember these films enough. I'm gonna have to rewatch them again.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Gonna have to rewatch these things that I know are gonna make me mad. Uh my next movie is from 2012. I'll I'll try to be brief on this one. Uh so 2012, it was nominated for Best Picture. I believe it did end up winning uh Best International Film, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Yeah, you are you already know which one this is because we've talked about it a thousand times.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

This is the French film Amor. Uh uh just a fun fact. The uh Emmanuelle Riva, who plays the lead the lead actress in it, uh, she's the oldest uh nominee for best actress.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

And it's a cool fact. Yeah, for Beast of the Southern Wild.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Yeah. Uh what's her name?

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Wallace? Yeah. I cannot pronounce her first name. Quasine, maybe. Um something out like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Uh but for those who don't know what Amore is, it is just watching uh an elderly married couple, uh George and Anne, and Anne clearly has some sort of uh disease of some sort. I don't I don't remember if they actually say what it is, but it's basically implied that it's um there is an irony that I'm forgetting the forgetting disease. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

It's like Alzheimer's or Alzheimer's. Yeah, like I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah, it's it's it's basically implied that it's those. Um I don't think they ever actually say, but it's kind of said like, you know, she's just losing her faculties essentially. And the whole movie is just like two hours of watching this elderly man watch his love, his elderly wife, slowly die, basically, and suffer. Um and it's wonderfully shot. The one thing that's kind of brilliant about it is that they they linger on scenes for so so long. I didn't think they do not cut.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

I distinctly re remember that as like part of it, like the way it's shot.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Yeah. They they do not cut, they don't really pan, they're not like like, oh, let's look at this person's face. Now this person's it's just set up a camera, two people acting for like a 15-minute scene, no changes. Like, that's that's a lot of the scenes and the dialogue. I actually wrote about this movie in college. Uh, the only thing I remember writing about it was, have you ever seen a movie so sad you can't cry? Because that's how this movie made me feel. You've told me that before, I think. There it's weirdly touching in a lot of ways because he does a lot of things that it's just like it is out of his love for his wife. Like he truly loves his wife. Like she was a really great pianist. I believe she was a teacher, and at one point she just can't play anymore. Her like half her body's paralyzed, and there's a scene later where like she's placed in front of a piano and you hear the music, and your brain's like, Oh, is this a flashback? Because she's playing, and then you never actually see her like plunking the keys, and he just turns off the CD player, and it's like, oh my god, like he he put the music on for her to like make her feel like this is a song. Yeah, you're shaking your head and just I I wish audience you could see Ricky because he just looked up, closed his eyes, and just shook his head, just like, fuck man, just like this film. Like, I was happy that you re-watched it because I don't think I could like I I don't know why I chose to re-watch this because I remembered this one incredibly well too. And also, I'm at the age where like I'm kind of seeing it happen. Like, I'm not gonna go too deep into my you know, my personal life right now, but like I'm seeing some of this, and it's like, oh no. And there was a line that stuck with me from when I first watched this in 2012 to now, which is uh George is talking to his daughter, who basically says, What's gonna happen now? And he responds with a basically saying, They'll go from you know, bad to worse, things will go on, and then one day it'll be over. And you're just like, what a brutal line of acceptance. And like, it's it's so funny, like watching the movie in my mind of like I'm a pretty optimistic guy, I think, all things considered. And there's this weird denial part of my brain being like, no, no, it's it's gonna turn out okay. Like, someone's gonna swoop in at any second with like a a cure, and they're gonna like they're gonna be wonderful, they're gonna live happily ever after. And uh that's not exactly what happens. Spoiler alert, time uh the husband sees and she's just yelling hurt over and over again. She can't say it.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

I don't even remember that part. Yeah, yeah, Ricky.

unknown 41:21

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Yeah, I'm so sorry, Ricky. She just keeps saying hurt because that's all she can say at this point, and so he like starts telling her a story. Again, it's just a long shot, and she's kind of quieting down and calming down, and then he just smothers her with a pillow to put her out of her misery, and like it's uh it it's it's so visceral and one of the most human stories I think I've ever seen put to film. I still think it's a you know 10 out of 10 film. Like I I think it's wonderfully shot. The performances are just I I've had chills this entire time talking about it. Um But it is also points out some good things that I think we need to maybe fix here in our country too, because in France they they do talk about like wow, it's really expensive to keep the elderly taken care of. And here in America, yeah, I'm as I told you, like I'm kinda seeing that firsthand that like once you're at a certain age, it's just so expensive to take care of someone, and it's fucking gut-wrenching and makes you mad and furious and heartbroken. This movie was so depressingly sad that I I almost had to skip my afternoon jerk, you know?

SPEAKER_03 42:45

I mean oh god, no. Oh man. Let's not go crazy now. Oh, I don't know if I'm gonna cut that line that out. We needed that.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

I see leave it in. Yeah, leave it in, screw it. Oh no, it's it yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

I I think yeah, like like you bringing up like like just stuff you're like dealing with. Um I think that is like part of what makes it so damn rough is like this is something that, you know, I don't know how common it is, but I mean, you know, I've experienced it. Um you know, and it's like it's scary as hell. Like it's one of the worst things, and like you never want to experience it. Um and I mean, yeah, it can just really hit um hit home. And like it's very like possible. And um you know, it's just Man, it is so so real. And um it's uh directed by Michael Haneka. I'm not positive that I'm pronouncing his last name right, but he's a German director. Um and he's done like German and French films. Um nice. And um he's done like I've seen The White Ribbon by him, which is a great film. Um, and uh Hidden uh Cachets, the French uh title, I believe, to great great films. He's just an overall like great director. Um and like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

I'll have to look into that because I I haven't actually seen any of his other films, and this one I think is spectacular.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

I definitely prefer the other two more.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Oh really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

Is there something about the content of this one that's just they're not quite uh as d depressing?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

Um but yeah, like like this one I think is the one like this might be the only one that got him like I think the white ribbon he got some nominations for, um, but this one was like his big one, because I do think it you like you said, it got like a best picture nomination, I'm pretty sure. Won the best foreign film. I think he got a directing nomination. But yeah, it's just man. This is like when I think of these kinds of movies, this is the one that I always like think of. It's like I just man, it is such a tough watch.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

Yeah, it's it's absolutely stunning and brilliant. Um, I think it is worth uh a watch. Um just make sure you're in a good headspace because if you're already feeling pretty bad or experiencing this kind of thing. Boy, did that not help. Yeah. It was the equivalent of being like, huh, I have this hole in my arm, better put more heroin in it. Yeah. Need that's how I felt watching it. Like, why did I choose to watch this right now? Uh Ricky, let's jump to your second movie. Uh I'm assuming it's gonna be a laugh riot. Let's see.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

Oh, it is. Um, this one I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure you've seen it. Could be wrong. Let let's see if you can guess it. Um, it has one of your favorite actors in it.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Nick Cage.

SPEAKER_03 46:26

You are correct.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

This is from the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Oh, is it adaptation? That was 2000, I think. No.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

What what this is the film that won him the Oscar for Best Actor.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Oh my god, I'm blanking on it. It is not leaving Las Vegas. Is it leaving Las Vegas? No, it's leaving Las Vegas. Okay. I've actually not seen Leaving Las Vegas. Crazy, right? Yeah, love Nick Cage. Haven't seen Leaving Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

So this film, this one can be much quicker. So the whole thing is So from the very beginning when you first see him, he's drunk. And so the whole premise of this film is that he wants to drink himself to death. And um you you don't really know exactly what happened, but like his wife has like left him. Um and like he had a a son, so like, you know, his wife has left him for some reason. Maybe it's his drinking, we don't know. Um, but yeah, she she's left him, like, taken the the son. Um, he loses his job. He's I guess he's a screenwriter. Um that is what it seems like. Um Yeah, that that he's uh a screenwriter and he loses his job. And so once that that happens, they're like asking, like, uh what he's gonna do now, and he's like, I'm gonna move to Las Vegas. So what he does when he makes this move is he like burns like everything he has. Like, you know, his identity stuff, like, um pretty much e everything. He just keeps like the bare minimum and like he has all his money, and like this money is gonna go toward alcohol. Like, so he moved to Vegas, and like I mean, that is what it is. He's gonna commit suicide by drinking himself to death. So it's like you you see his story, and um like the other story is Elizabeth Shu, she plays this prostitute, and um you like meet her in the beginning, and like, you know, she's like with um these guys um, you know, who have like paid for, you know, the the services and everything. And then you like see her with her uh pimp and like the pimp is like really abusive to her, and like you like see later on that that like he's like cut her and everything. Um and um so like eventually she meets Nicolas Cage and um he's like because he's looking for a p a prostitute too, and um you know, they like get together and um she's like it's like he wants sex, I guess, and like she's giving him oral sex and everything, but it's like eventually he like you know pushes her off and he's just like you know I just I have more money, I just want you to spend time with me. And it's a really like like you don't I fully don't understand like what he's looking for because like eventually like she like leaves, you know, after this night and then they get back to together. They like find each other again. She's like wanted to find him and he's wanted to find her, so like they like find each other again, and eventually it pr pr pr progresses and like they're in they're they're together, but he like tells her um she's like because he's he's in a hotel and she's like I want you to come live with me. So it's like he like leaves the hotel and goes to live with her. Um and he like tells her from from the uh start, he's like, You can never ask me to stop drinking.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

And like that align just like fuck man, like unless you're gonna be like, that gets you to the core. She's like uh okay. And it's like so like throughout this she's like, you know, she's in she's enabling him. And like, you know, it's just such a rough, like, because you see him like he's just constantly like drinking more and more, and you're seeing him like de deteriorate more, and it's like inside of that there's like you know, this kind of sweet relationship that is developing between these two people who just kinda like need each other, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

But I mean the whole time it's like Um, I guess you kind of wonder if um he can be saved. Uh but uh spoiler alert Um here it is uh Yeah, he ain't saved. Um Yep The ending So like sh throughout their like relationship they like don't have sex and like so like it's like he's like because I mean like he's drinking so much it's like he can't really like He literally can't even perform. Yeah So like and it's like it's like he's like yeah I would really like to have sex with you and it's like she wants to have sex with him so like and there's a moment toward like the end where like he's so drunk he ends up with like another woman who is actually played by by uh Mariska Hargate in a small role which is crazy to like see a young yeah um and um so like yeah she like comes home and like sees him with another woman and he doesn't even know what's going on. Um but yeah she like tells him to get out so he gets out and um oh yeah um she she can continues working and she ends up getting raped. Um yeah so there's that too as if it wasn't enough.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Yeah, just just pour it on.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Yeah. So there's that and then like she she comes home and um after this um her uh landlord tells her that she has to get out so she's she's gonna get evicted too. So then um the ending like like she eventually finds him. She's able to to find Nicholas Cage and he's like he's at the end. Like, you know, it's just he's almost dead. And um they like find each other and um he's like laying there on his deathbed and um she has sex with him and um then you know that is that is the end and like cut cut throughout is like her like talking to a psychiatrist I guess just kind of like letting out all the these stuff processing and yeah. I mean you think it's a psychiatrist, like maybe she's like found this, but but you never actually see, so I mean like maybe it's not. We don't know who she's talking to. But the way it's like presented is like like that. So like um yeah, like it it ends on like you know a a a flashback shot of like Nicolas Cage just like smiling and like it's like slow motion and everything. And um I didn't remember that it was based off of a book and I was like damn like I would like I was I would actually like to like read this depressing ass book. Well like to like see like like how like it relates too good of a mood.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

What can I do about that?

SPEAKER_03 54:43

But man, like like the performances are just amazing. Like I really wish Elizabet uh Elizabeth Shue had won the best actress Oscar. Um Nicholas Cage like very well deserved and like we've had like these discussions about like I feel like people like take him for for for granted and just like see like you know, oh he's just you know crazy and like over the top and not and like when I see him acting things, I'm like who else could do this? Like right it's like but man, that is such an incredible per performance that he gives.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Um but there's always that great line from community of like if I talk in different volumes and uh lanes, I might accidentally win an Oscar.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

Uh but yeah, like like it's just the whole depressing aspect of like not only do you get like a woman being raped in it, but like the whole thing is just like this man like drinking himself too to death. Like it's like, yeah, throw throw a rape in there as if this isn't like depressing enough. Like I feel like people are they're depressed, but like are they really like could be more a writer's room.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

What else can we do here? Like I I have an honorable mention uh later that will kind of touch on what you're talking about right now.

SPEAKER_03 56:19

Yeah. But yeah, um I I suggest watching it um because like it does tackle like the alcoholism um like in uh kind of like a Requiem, I guess. Like like, you know, how like awful it can get, the uh the addiction and everything. Um and the performances are just incredible. So I mean I s suggest watching it like for that, but man, it is heavy.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Yeah, I mean I I would definitely throw that one on for sure. Yeah. Just to just because also it'd be good history for my Nick Cage brand.

SPEAKER_03 57:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

I don't know why I ever passed that one over because I've watched a thousand of his other ones, but for some reason I didn't see the one he's I mean I wouldn't say best known for, but he won his Oscar for it. So uh any last thoughts or should I jump to my final movie?

SPEAKER_03 57:21

Let's see what what your final one is.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

This movie's from 1939, Ricky. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm deep cutting this one. I don't think you've seen this, or I'm I don't even you may have heard of it, actually. Uh it was a novel, then a play, and then a movie, and it's called On Borrowed Time. Uh this movie I saw, I don't again, I don't know how I saw this because I remember seeing it when I was in high school or late middle school, but it's not like I was hanging out with like Cenophiles that were like, let's throw on On Borrowed Time, this 30s classic. Uh Onborrowed Time starts with a young boy named Pud. Uh, he's very, very young, like he's like five or six, he's very, very young, and his parents die in a car crash. So he goes to live with his grandparents, who are very sweet old people, they're very kind. The movie's actually more of a uh fantasy in a lot of ways because there is a literal personification of death named Mr. Brink. Uh the um grandfather is really sweet and nice, but his wife is dying, and he sees Mr. Brink and he basically tricks him and gets him trapped in a tree, being like, You're not gonna take my wife from me. Like, I just, you know, Pud just lost his parents, he's not gonna lose his grandparents, you're not gonna take my wife. And so death can't happen anymore. And yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of a cool premise, right? And this is crazy for 39. Yeah, 1939, they're like, We're gonna hit you with some heavy shit and some like fantasy shit now. Um, and then like as they find out, like as they keep going, like grandma's feeling better, or like if she's maybe not be feeling better, but she's still living, and like they'll go to a hospital, and like the doctors are like, Yeah, this is really strange. We had some people that were like about to die and they're they just aren't anymore. And eventually they kind of find out, like, okay, death's in the tree. When death's in a tree, no one can die unless they touch that tree. And so what happens is um death is like, you have to let me down, because I know death is sad, but like it has to happen. And you know, Gramps is like, no, I'm not gonna do that, screw you. And what ends up happening is death kind of tricks the child into a dangerous situation, and the child falls from, I believe, a fence and suffers what should have been a fatal fall, and now is just suffering. And is just alive and suffering because death can't happen. Um, yeah. Just making faces over there. Yeah, and so the the movie ends with, you know, Gramps saying, Okay, come on down, death. And like, so Gramps loses his grandson, he loses his wife, and all is right in the world. And I just realized right now, all three of my movies have old people just going through the fucking ringer. So I think we found out what my week spot is. I didn't even think of that until I was like, oh yeah, a lot of old people go through some bad shit, huh? Um yeah, and that that's basically it in a nutshell. I think it's a unbelievably powerful movie and super, super uh timely. Like it it holds up forever, right? Like that is a great, great story, and it is depressing because, yeah, like death sucks, but it does have to happen, and it literally shows like this Gramps being like, wow, everyone I know and like everyone in the world who isn't dying right now is suffering because of me. Because I I can't let go of my loved ones until he has to make that really impossible decision to be like, alright, bye. It is fucked. Go watch it, go watch it right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:21

So I l looked it up and like uh I recognize like like some of the uh cast, like Lionel Barrymore, famous from that era, uh Cedric Hardwick. I have never heard of this director. Um yeah, it seems like a French name, possibly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

Yeah, I'm not familiar with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

I don't think I have ever heard of this. Um that is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

Yeah, I I highly recommend if you guys can track it down. I it's really hard to find. It's not like on a normal thing. I I had to uh yo ho yo ho sell the seven C's if you catch my drift. Um highly recommend. It is spectacular, and I would love to see the play version because the fact that there's a play, I'm sure will be just as brutal and impactful.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

So it's based off of the play.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Yeah, there it's a book, then a play, then a movie. So it it got the trifecta, and I believe it actually was on Broadway back in 38.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

So short and sweet, but yeah, give that one a watch, and then uh feel that that one, weirdly enough, I do remember feeling a bit more like hopeful's not the right word, but it it isn't as like heavy in that regard, like because the acting is so good, and it it it is a bit more fantasy and moral quandary, but it's still real fucking hard to watch at times because of that. Like, because you know, we've all lost people.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

Well, not me, because I'm in denial, but everyone else. All those other idiots that let people die.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

Come to denial, it's pretty great.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:12

Not just a river in Egypt anymore. Uh all right, Ricky, what is your final one?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Alright, so uh this one you uh you have seen. We uh talked about this a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

Um trying to remember what we talked about.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:27

Uh this uh relates to our last episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Um It's speed to again?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

Oh no, the last one, the Oscar one. Oh, I don't think we did the Oscar one. That's well, yeah, that can be a hard watch. Yeah. Um different reasons. Um this is Ryan Kugler's debut.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

Oh, yep, yep, yep, we did discuss this. Fruitvale station.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:00

Fruitvale station from 2013.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

Oh yeah, that is a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

There was a lot of this I did not re remember. Um for some reason I was thinking of Michael B. like younger um when he made this, but no, he's like um well I mean he's close to 40 now, so I guess he was in his twenties. But um yeah, uh so Michael B. Jordan. Well well it starts out, so I had totally forgotten that this was based off like a real real crime. Yep. Sure was. So it starts out with like real footage. Um gosh, I feel awful. I can't re remember um the the character's name. But this happened in Oakland in uh Oscar Grant? Oscar Grant. Okay. Um this happened in Oakland in 2009. I I believe it was New Year's Eve 2009. Yeah. And um so it's like Michael B. plays Oscar Grant and it's just like him go going through the uh day leading up to celebrating New Year's Eve. Um, and um you you find out that, you know, he's only been out of prison for um couple months, I guess. Um and um he's like trying to get his life together. He has a girlfriend, he has a daughter, um, and he's trying to be like like he's he's trying to get his life in track where um, you know, he can take take care of his girlfriend and his daughter, um, and just be like r r respectable, I guess. You know, like someone for them to like count on and like look up to and everything. Right. Trying to get his life straight. Um and um he's like Still like like struggling, like, you know, cause he's struggling with like money and it's very easy, you know, for him to like fall fall back into. I I don't think it ever really says, but I'm pretty sure like he was into like drugs, right? Like that is what it seems like he went to uh prison for. Um and uh so so yeah, um and it's like Michael B B. Jordan's per performance, like like watching this, it made me even happier that he had just won the Oscar because he's amazing like in this. Um but um there's like this really sweet moment where like he like goes to um where he used to uh work and um there's like this uh woman who's like um uh trying to like get like uh meat or uh sea seafood for for like a dinner and um he's she's like struggling, she doesn't really know, she's like trying to cook and she doesn't know what what to uh do. So Michael B's like, hey, I I can help you. And and um so he like literally like calls his grandmother and gets his grandmother on the a phone like like like hey gr grandma this girl need needs help. Can you help her? So she's like, Give me give her the a phone. So she like helps this uh random woman ch just uh you know trying to figure out how to like make her a meal. So it so it's a really sweet moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

Um and um yeah, it's ch just like and I think that is like one of the hardest parts is like you're like you're really rooting for like the this guy and like you really grow to like care about him and like his family and everything and like so eventually it l leads up to like they're gonna go out like like him and his girlfriend and um you know th they're uh friends that are like going out to uh celebrate New Year's and um eventually like they get on this uh train and um like it's about to hit twelve and um so like this uh this random guy gets on the uh train and it's like oh god like like is there like something gonna happen here? Like is it gonna be like gang-related violence or or something? But the guy literally like pulls out like speakers um because like he's like trying to play music on his phone. So they they start like playing music on the phone and there are like white people, black people, like Hispanics, just everyone's like together, just like dancing and everything and like celebrating like New Year's on the train. But then um a guy that um Michael B. at ed i issues with from prison is on the train. So once this happens, you know it ain't gonna go well. So like they they they get into a scuffle, like like it isn't really a full on full full-blown fight or anything, but you know, they get into it. Um and um it comes across the uh train that um a fight has been re-reported and the the the cops are on their way. So it's like they're like, oh god, like like we need to get out of here. We like can't afford So like the uh the group kind of splits up, but Michael B and like some of his friends like get get stopped by the by the police. Um and it's like you know they're they're not really trusting of the police and the uh police are the the the same way with them. But these two so it's two white officers and I believe is the you might r remember this. Is the female officer like white or I I feel like she might be like Hispanic or or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

I can't remember. I remember Chad Michael Murray though.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:56

Um Oh gosh, yeah. I didn't even r remember that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Yeah, Chad Michael Murray's the the I think the main officer.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:03

Uh Kevin Durand is the main guy and might like so like Chad Michael Murray might might be the other one. But um, yeah, so like it's like and Kevin Duran is playing like like this white officer, and he's clearly being being racist. Like, I mean it's just you know how it is, flat out. Um like so like the uh guys are like you know, what the hell? And he's like hitting, he hits Michael B. Jordan, and like they're using a they're using excessive force. And like the uh guys are getting upset by this, right, rightfully so.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:37

So you know it's escalating, and um from the beginning, like you know where this is going. Because in the beginning, you like see some of the footage and everything, and it's like and the beginning ends like the footage with a gunshot. So And like maybe like when you first see this, you don't know exactly what's gonna happen, and like seeing it the uh second time, I was kind of hopeful. Like, I was like, oh man, like like I'm pretty sure I guess I was kind of in denial with like the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

Um but like so like denial because you wanted it to not end the way that you knew it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

Yeah. But it's like nah it ends that that that that way. So so there's a scuffle, and there's a cop on top of Michael V. Jordan, and you hear the gun go off and Michael B. Jordan gets shot by one of the the officers. And like even then it's like, you know, you've like shot this guy, he's in handcuffs.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:47

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

Um, and God, it's just like even talking about it, even like thinking about it, it's just like gut-wrenching. Um, but um, yeah, it's like so like the main officer played by Kevin Durand, who's like been like racist, he's like, you know, like because it's the other officer who has shot him, um, and he's like, What did you do? You know. So like they like still have him in handcuffs, and then eventually they like uncuff him, but it's like the way they're like moving his body is like they're not even like dealing with this guy who they've shot as like as like a human being.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:25

So it's like eventually like they uncuff him and like Kevin Durant like grabs Michael B. Jordan's hand, and it's like you know, he's holding it, but it's like you know, it doesn't even register as like a sweet moment because it's like this thing should never have happened in the first place. It didn't have to happen. Um and so like there's like chaos, you know, with like the uh girlfriend, like like she's like managed to get away from like all of this, but like she's still like not far enough to where like she didn't hear the gunshot, but like she doesn't know exactly what's going on, and like so the uh title of it is Fruitvale Station, because that is where like you know this uh train is like stopped, like like this is the uh stop, it's fruitvale station. So like she like sees like the EMTs and everything come in, and like some of the friends come out and they're like Oscar was shot and everything, and so like there's just a lot of chaos there, and like he's like brought out and they're all freaking out. Um and like he's like taken to the hospital, so then they're like waiting in the hospital, and the doctors come out and they're like, you know, we're like trying to work on him and everything. Um so he's in like critical condition. So they're like we're like trying more and everything, and then like, you know, time passes and then they come out and they're like, he didn't make it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:57

So, you know, it's like and like I'm pretty sure you guys can figure out like why this is like an important film and s such a tough watch because it's still so prevalent today, and this was beat before, you know, like the big like Black Lives Matter movement.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

Um and like before the George Floyd stuff and like that kind of you know, like that that like kills you there. It's like this happened beep before and that happened after. After like Rodney King. Yeah, and like that this happened, you know, after Rodney King, but it's just like it's a history of like this constantly like like happening, and like I don't wanna, you know, get like super political on here, but it's like, you know, it's when is it gonna stop? Like it's still like so prevalent and it really is when it comes down to it just so heartbreaking. And um I I r remember you like saying uh that you know you had watched it. Um if you want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:05

Uh yeah, I I mean I've I saw it probably when it came out and I felt exactly what you felt. Uh it's it's always I don't want to choose my words very, very carefully, of course. Um it's cyclical. I mean this happens more and more, and luckily now I think people are being a bit more aware that this is a normal thing to the black community. Like I I remember even just 10 years ago, if you said like, you know, cops are doing this, I knew a lot of liberal white people that were just like, oh, I mean, not all of them, like, come on, like it's and like they they would be very quick to brush it aside, whether it's for their own, you know, ego protection or like I don't want to think about this because it bums me out or what. Um there's a movie I saw a few years ago called Blind Spotting.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

Um I I was thinking about that today because I know you love that movie so much, and it is great. I've still only seen it once, but yeah, that's a great film as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:11

That that's one I could see a few times, but there's a line, and I don't remember if it's actually from the movie or from when they were doing kind of like an event publicizing it, but they basically said they were doing like a slam poem about all the you know black Americans who've been shot by the police and murdered by the police, and the line was something that basically just said, I don't remember their names, only the way they were slain. And it's such a brutal sentiment because it is true, because like I used to be pretty good myself memo like memorizing every single time it happened, and then after a while you're just like, Oh my god, it just keeps happening. Oh, this was the one that school shootings, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:53

It's the exact same way. It's it happens so frequently that it it your brain can only hold so much information that it overloads and can almost fatigue you in a way to be like, well, I mean, it's just gonna keep happening. I get like it's and it's horrible. And yeah, th this was the first Ryan Kugler movie I saw as well, and it it fucked me up something good.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

Like it's definitely one that you should see. Um I have no like uh calling it. No hesitations, yeah. Light light like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

I think out of all the movies we listed, this is the one that like see it before any of these other ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:29

Um but yeah, like it's one that I just I don't want to keep going back to. Like like um, it's just it's very rough. Um watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

Man, yeah, so I I think these are all really good choices of movies that are very, very good, but very, very hard to get through.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:49

Um other one I was wondering if uh you remember watching. Do you remember the movie Elephant?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:59

It's so funny you mentioned that. I started to rewatch it recently. Um for those who don't know, it is a movie that basically is just a school shooting and it's very uh independent, like it's it's shot just.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:25

And um, yeah, it it was in 2003, so it was like four years after Columbine.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:31

Um that's a great one to watch just because it it is shot like it's just like a normal school day all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:44

Like like I always re remember like when the kids get shot, it's like it's startling.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:51

Like you know, it's it's I mean, again, not to get too deep or give out too much personal information, but I've been in a school shooting. It's it's very rough. Yeah, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

Uh you know, too common.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

Like Yeah, and like I know like we try to be very lighthearted on this podcast and make jokes, but like that's a tough one to make jokes about. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:14

Especially when we're all like, yeah. When we make jokes, it's like just to like like man, it's like just to try and like bring like some lightness to these. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

Is this episode's gonna have like where it's gonna show the stats like people made it about 20 minutes in? We're all bailed. I want to hear about this. Like, like, is it is it gonna get happier or is it gonna get worse as it goes on? Um I did have an honorable mention, um, which was uh in 2009 I saw Precious with my parents in theaters.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

I have still never seen it. Oh, that is a good one though.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

It's like I yeah, I kind of I'm kind of avoiding it, I guess. Yeah, kind of going back to what you were saying with uh um leaving Las Vegas is that like every single time something bad happens and you're like, okay, this is heavy, this is rough, it's like, oh, and here's another thing, and here's another thing, and here's another thing. Like, j I just want to read a couple lines from the Wikipedia plot just to give you an idea. Um So it's uh 16-year-old Precious lives with her unemployed mother, um her unemployed mother Mary, who subjects her to constant physical, sexual, and verbal abuse. That's the first sentence. Um Precious was sexually assaulted by her now absent father, resulting in two pregnancies, one of which was a uh child with Down syndrome, the other one was a baby that has AIDS. Um they name the first child, the Down syndrome, Mongo, short for mongoloid. Right. Yeah, like, and this is just like the first few minutes of the movie. Like you're it is just thing after thing after thing, and uh yeah, I I chose not to watch that again because I was like, I just I'm I'm good. So maybe that's the real winner of this movies. Um But I also I don't remember how much I even liked it, so that's another reason. Like I kind of remember like Requiem On Borrowed Time, a more I all love. This movie I kind of remember enjoying. I mean, enjoying is the wrong word, I guess, but right, yeah. That I was like the performances, like Gabriel Citabay is fantastic in it. Monique is wonderful, she of course won her Academy Award for it. So like there are per you know worthy performances and uh and just uh uh just cinema in general, like it it should deserve its accolades, but like it's not one that I'm like, this is great, I love this. Like it's it is just thing after thing. Uh but that was my uh that was my alternate uh option for today's list.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:51

Yeah, I had thought of Elephant. Um Elephant Day, yeah, that was that was my big one.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:00

You can actually watch all of Elephant on YouTube, by the way. Um really? Yeah, that's actually where I was watching it. So like I I think the company or whoever made it, or maybe someone whoever owns it, I guess, now just put the whole thing on. Or I could be wrong, it could have just been some person who did it. I don't know if you can watch the whole movie on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:16

Um one thing I've noticed, like, there are tons of films on uh Tubi. Like a lot of like big name, like classic movies, like I watched leaving Las Vegas on there. And I mean, yes, it has commercials, not you know, the way you want to watch, you know, movies. But um, you know, if you're you it if like this is your only way to like check it out, like you know, it's free. Um so yeah, definitely recommend checking out Tubi.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:50

Yeah, I actually used Tubi to watch uh Scream 5 and 6. Oh really recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:56

I also saw seven, so we'll talk about that later. Because boy, do I have some thoughts. Uh but yeah, I I Ricky, do we have any final notes for today?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:08

I don't believe so. We we will try and make the uh next episode more joyful.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:15

Yeah, it's it's uh I let's see, next week probably be uh favorite Holocaust films, maybe just to bring up the mood.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:21

Best Holocaust films, best slavery films.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:24

Um we'll we need we need to pick me up next week for for for sure. But everyone, thank you so much for listening. Uh, we know that it was definitely a heavier episode today, but hey, sometimes movies can be heavy and you want to talk about them still. Doesn't mean that they are any less worthy of your attention. So as always, I've been Brandon. With me has been Ricky. This has been a mostly filmed podcast. Now please go watch some movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

Bye.