Let's Get Ready For Sports Films!

Ricky and Brandon dive into their favorite sports films and why there are so many of them!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Please grab your popcorn and large soda because it's time for a mostly film podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a mostly film podcast. We are the Sultans of Cinema, the Megatrons of movies, the great ones of film. I am Brandon, and with me always is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?

SPEAKER_03 0:40

I'm doing pretty well. Um our uh topic di this week, this this might have been the uh toughest one I think so far, trying to like narrow it down.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Yeah. Ooh, why's that?

SPEAKER_03 0:54

Um I I don't know. It's just there like I wasn't thinking there was a lot of um these types of films, and then I was like, oh wait, there's a ton, and um just trying to di decide. So the topic this week is favorite sports movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

And um, so the way I did it, these might not necessarily be my top three like favorites, but these are three that I enjoy that I wanted to talk about, if that may makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

No, I did the exact same thing. Uh in fact, two of the three I watched for the first time this week. Oh wow. Yeah, and I just they're fresh in my memory, and I go, I want to talk about these. I actually watched three movies this week, but only two I really wanted to go into. And I'll probably mention the other one just briefly at some point. But first I actually want to talk about your life with sports. Ricky, who were your sports teams? Did you do sports growing up?

SPEAKER_03 1:57

So, um trying to think. So I I I played soccer for like a year. It was like, you know, one of those like everyone gets a trophy, participation, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

It's like um And you were 28 at the time?

SPEAKER_03 2:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Uh but you were still in a 12-year-old league. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

It was tough.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

I only got two goals all season. Ty was a real bitch.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Oh, that actually might have gone better for me if I had played against 12-year-olds at 28. But uh old were you when you did so much? I think like six or seven probably.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Yeah, and um yeah, did it for for a season. Um like I wish I I had played more, because like I feel like I got into sports like really probably around that that time, like 97, 98.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Like watching sports and actually absorbing everything.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

Yeah, so that was like my first love, I'd say. Um like of all. Oh god, no. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Oh man, I was hoping it'd be like the Cyclones or something, or like the Tigers.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

God, yeah. I I think I still have the trophy somewhere, so maybe it has the uh name on it kind of.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Was the trophy actually a participation trophy? Like you played soccer, or did you guys actually win?

SPEAKER_03 3:34

I don't think we won anything, no.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

I think it was just like you did not bend it like Beckham.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

No, no. Spoiler. Um man. But uh yeah, like like I got into baseball then and like basketball and football and yeah, I just like all those sports like back to back.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

You basically just jumped into all of them?

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Yeah, pr pretty much, and I don't really re remember what the catalyst was. I just like, you know, but I became a huge nerd, like like I just started absorbing like all the information. Actually, it might have been like cards, because I had like baseball cards, basketball cards.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah, it's weird. I had baseball cards too, and I've never watched baseball as a kid. Like that was never my my sport of choice.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Also, like like we would like go to games um some sometimes, and also like um, I was a little older, but like my grandfather was like big into like baseball, so like we would like talk about baseball all the time and stuff. I would like call him, like, hey, what's going on with all this, and we would just chat.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Um that's kind of sweet.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

Yeah, but like now, like um now it's mainly like football, I'd say, the NFL, like we uh talk about that a lot, and like actually like I came up with the you know a mostly film podcast name because you and I we do love the the NFL and um I've gotten you into the WNBA um Yeah, Minnesota Lynx fan.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yeah, and like um, so I kind of, you know, probably sometime in the future we're we're gonna like do like some sport specific episodes. Oh, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah, so I guess for the audience to know, I am a Seattle Seahawks fan, so things have been pretty good for this guy. Ricky, who's your favorite NFL team?

SPEAKER_03 5:45

I'm a Los Angeles Chargers fan. Uh and I'm a true fan. You know, I don't have any really are I don't have any of these BS expectations. Like, you know, I've I've been let down so much. It's like only true fans really know.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Like that is something you've said to me so many times, and it cracks me up every time because I'll I'll text Ricky something like, oh hey, uh Herbert just threw a touchdown and he's just like, must be nice, Shame it won't last. And then you're right.

unknown 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Yeah. Every time.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Um, like last year probably could have been the MVP if uh he didn't have to run for his life every single place. So uh he got an MVP vote. Yeah. Everyone's like like I'm talking about like how how great it is that he's like, you know, running so much and everything, and it's like, because he has to! I mean, it's like what's he gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Just dodge another option. But you're also a Dodgers fan, so things are going to be good for you in the baseball world.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Dodger fan, Warriors fan. Um you're fine. And you're okay. And then I'm a Maple Leafs fan, so that evens out too.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

You really are just all in or all out. You don't have any like mildly good teams or just either pure depression or championship. Yeah. Uh one thing I actually wanted to ask you is what do you think makes movies such a target for sports? What do you mean by that? Maybe if I said the question correctly, it would have made sense. Because as I was saying it, I I should point out I've been up since like three in the morning. My mind might be a little messed up.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

Yeah, I'm a little tired too. So give us a break, people.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

We're exhausted.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Uh so why do you think sports are so dramatic and naturally good for the movies? Like, why there's a thousand sports movies, as you said, at the top of the show. I I know, like, even when I Googled sports movies, I kind of did the same thing of like, oh my god, I forgot about like half these movies. So why do you think sports are constantly a topic that gets used over and over again within movies?

SPEAKER_03 8:02

The first thing that comes to mind is that a lot of times we don't know the background, I guess. It's like we just see, you know, we don't get to see behind the scenes. So, like, you know, the movies give us that a glimpse a lot of times. Like, um, oh, we're like seeing in the locker room. We're like seeing what like leads up to it, and I mean it doesn't like I mean, yeah, it helps if it's based on a true story, but also even if it isn't, like, I mean, they're like pulling from you know, like what it's usually like behind the scenes. So it's like being able to see that other side, I mean, to me is pr pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Yeah, I think that's a really good point. In fact, when I was looking up sports movies, one thing that kind of hit me that I seem to forget is so many kids' movies focus around sports. I mean, even in our very first episode, I brought up Space Jam and Angels in the Outfield, both sports movies for kids. Uh, you have Like Mike, you have The Sandlot, which I love The Sand Lot. Uh, every single Airbud movie, I believe, is a sports movie. Uh, and I believe uh I believe there was a spin-off. I don't know if it was a spin-off or it was just like they're trying to steal the idea, but do you recall the cinema classic MVP most valuable primate?

SPEAKER_03 9:29

God, it sounds familiar. What what year was that one?

SPEAKER_01 9:35

I think it was like late 90s or something, but it was definitely a monkey playing hockey. Oh dear lord.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Um I don't think I saw that one.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

No, you you're not missing anything. It was definitely they saw the success of air buttons said we we'll do a sports animal movie too.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Uh, one you didn't mention, Little Giants.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah. I mean that's I mean, yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, I think there. I think one thing when I was making my list that I was realizing is that so many sports movies are really about the individual or the individuals that surround it. Because I think we like seeing people put in effort and actually come out on top. Like we like rooting for an underdog, we like seeing things kind of have that natural, like I think maybe it's very easy to go winning a championship, you win, you did it, you won, yay! And so, like when that happens in the movies, it's just that instant satisfaction of they did it, hurrah! And so maybe that's always just the sweet spot. Although there are some movies that uh buck that trend that we may discuss today.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Yeah, um there's one that I have that it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

We probably have the same. We might we might have some crossover here. Do you want to start?

SPEAKER_03 10:58

I say you you go go first. I want to hear your first one.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Absolutely. Uh so I'm gonna go with one that I have seen a long time ago. Uh my long time ago, I mean, I saw it like five years ago. But it's it's a very obvious one. It's from 1976. Do you already have any guesses? Uh slapshot? It was a best picture winner.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Oh, okay. Alright, I got it. Rocky.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

That's right. Uh, I saw Rocky a few years ago and was very, very stunned with how great it really was. Sometimes you hear when a movie gets all this hype, you just kind of think like, eh, it's probably just whatever. That movie blew me away, man. Rocky is great. And also, first off, I didn't know Sylvester Stallone can write. He doesn't look like he knows how to hold a pencil. Cheap stuff, dude. Hey, come on, man. I'm just trying my best out of you. Yeah, I I was really blown away by it. There's still like a little bit of like old 70s ickiness that maybe doesn't hold up like some of like the him trying to kiss Adrian and she's just kind of like looking away, and he's just like, no, come on, kiss me. Yeah. And but you know, kind of you sometimes you have to let some of that stuff go. Um, otherwise you're gonna be too bummed out by every movie.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

But what I loved about it was like in my mind, I I only knew Rocky from its like legacy of how there was like Rocky 1, Rocky II, Rocky III, what the the Simpsons joke, like Rocky 6, Adrian's Revenge, or whatever. Like, so like I only knew it from that and like people parodying it. And then when I watched it, I was like, oh my god, Rocky's a loser. Like, this is I didn't realize that. Like, he really is just this guy who nobody believes in. He doesn't really believe in himself, and like throughout most of the movie. There's a lot of moments that I think are pretty brilliantly written where Rocky is constantly trying to give people like life advice because he just like wants someone to take him seriously. And there's even like one part, and I love this part, it's him talking to like a little girl, and he's just like, Hey, you don't want to be a whore, right? Yeah, you can't be a whore. You know, no one's gonna everyone gonna look at you, go, yeah, there goes that whore. Like, he's just like trying to he's just trying to like tell this like 13-year-old girl not to be a whore, and like in his mind, he's not being like sexist or whatever. Like, he he really is coming off like trying to be lovable, but it's never rewatched this. So funny.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

I think I've only ever seen it once.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Oh, it's so so good. I mean, that whole movie really is a a lot of pretty vulnerable, fragile men, to be honest. Like, I I know there's uh that stigma that like every movie from the 70s was like tough guys, and the 80s was definitely the ultra masculine, like you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, everyone had to be like super ripped and like always shooting guns. Every man in Rocky is really fucking sensitive in it. So like Rocky's very sensitive. Adrian's um brother is super sensitive in his own way. He's a bit more like angry sensitive, but like he gets his feelings hurt. Mickey is sensitive because he just like he just wants to be a winner to Rock. Like he just really wants to do it and like won't really train Rocky and then kind of starts to weasel in a little bit. Like, and then as I said to buck the trend, as many people probably know, Rocky does not win at the end of the movie. He he loses uh by decision to uh Apollo, uh played by Carl Weathers, who's fantastic in it. That that's actually another thing that I loved about the movie is that Carl Weathers um playing Apollo, there's I'm trying to remember the line exactly where he he Apollo sets up the fight between him and Rocky. And they're just like, You're a good businessman, Apollo. He's like, No, it's not business. That's real American. Like he's like, he's really playing in the angle. He's a very smart dude in it. Like he's not a villain, quote unquote. He's actually a great boxer who also knows how to do publicity. And so it's just kind of a neat movie where there isn't necessarily an antagonist that you're you know, it's not like I think was it Rocky III where he has to fight uh uh Ivan Drago, whatever, whatever I never saw that one, but the one who was like, if he dies, he dies.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Um I keep Ivan Drago, I think. With like like I think Dolph Lundgren plays Ivan Drago.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

But like that movie had like a clear antagonist, and Rocky one doesn't really have that. And I kind of love that in this in like in a sports movie, because normally there's always like you know, there's always like the rich kids who are better at sports because they have money or whatever, and like this, it's just like a guy just trying to prove to kind of himself that he's worthy of something. And I think that's really the pinnacle of a lot of sports movies. And even though he didn't win, he didn't get knocked out. He went like the whole ten rounds and still lost, but it was still like, man, look at this guy's spirit, good for him. And he's just as happy of doing that than as opposed to just you know getting the cliche, he won, way to go, guy. Like, I I think it's fantastic. I was genuinely blown away by how wonderful it was.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Yeah, I know I I liked it. Um I think because I think I brought this up to you like 1976 is a very strong year.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Just for movies or sports movies?

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Like movies. Um like that one best picture, and like it beat like Dog Day Afternoon and uh Yeah Network. Um was Jaws that same year too? Jaws was either 76 or 75.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Gotcha, yeah. I think it might be 75.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Um But yeah, it's just so I guess I kind of have like a backlash against it there, because like I I enjoy those other movies more. I sure but like yeah, I think I have only seen it once. And like hearing you talk about it, it's like, oh, I do wanna like go go back to it. Um because yeah, yeah, I mean I did enjoy it. And also it's one of those things, like it's so like popular, it's so iconic and everything, and you know, maybe there's like some backlash there, it's like, oh, it's so overrated and everything. To where like like it's like, no, it it can be overrated, but still be like a good movie, like like it's like, you know, that that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

There there's a lot of little things in it that I so when when I watch movies and I try to like criticize or analyze scripts or basically anything, I simply ask myself, why, instead of just going, oh, I don't like that. I go, why did they do that? And then I kind of break into it, and then I can figure out if I like it or not, but I tend to still respect it if I can break it down in some way. So there's like little things like he's constantly feeding pet turtles, and I was like, why turtles? And then in my head, I was like, oh, maybe it's like a metaphor of just you know, hard exterior, so soft interior. Like it could just be that to be honest. There's a lot of times where he's consistently repeating the same dialogue but to different people, and I was like, Well, why why would they do that? And it's oh, it's it's he's expecting a different response. He's not getting the validation he wants when he says something, and I just think it's really like it's a surprisingly soft character for a very violent sport, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Yeah, and I I do always like come back to dude, he loses, like yeah, he does not win, and like that is like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Yeah, it's uh also the way I was picking my movies, I did only do one sport, so I this is my only boxing movie, and there's some good ones. There's the fighter that's out there, Southpaw, Raging Bull, you a million dollar baby. You've you've got some options, but I I went ahead and chose Rocky as my first one.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

So if we were going like best sports movies, I mean I'd have to put Raging Bull up uh up there, but it's like man, that movie's hard to watch at a time.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

I mean, Raging Bull is uh he's the opposite of Rocky, like he he hits women in that movie. Yeah, Rocky does not. Rocky's just wants to date the pet shop girl.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Yeah, but but man, that that is a gorgeous looking movie and still. Yeah, Raging Bull's shot really well. One of Scorsese's best.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Um Let's hear your first movie, Ricky, unless you have any other thoughts on Rocky you want to add in.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Uh no, I I am gonna like try and r rewatch it though here here soon. Um to actually like uh the connection, um my first one is from another popular one uh twenty years later. Uh 1996? It's a boxing film? No.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

But there is a Carl Weathers connection.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Carl Weather Oh, I don't know if I could pull this. What is it? Happy Gilmore.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Oh my god. I was thinking like, what heavy drama is Carl's Weather in in 1996. Ah yes. The the very heavy serious film. Happy Gilmore. Ricky, tell me about Happy Gilmore. What do you love about it as a golf film? So Spoiler, it's a golf film.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Um I So Adam Sandler, I feel like, is very polarizing. Like, like, you know, a lot of people like really love him. A lot of people can't can't stand him. Um one thing I really r respect about him is that, you know, especially as he's gotten older, um he's always like uh looking out for his friends and family. Like that's clearly clearly like most important to him, and that is just r really sweet. Um and Happy Gilmore came after Billy Madison and like those two like really like set Adam Sandler like off. Like, I mean, on the tr trajectory that he's on now, just making the millions and millions of dollars. Oh, for sure. But I think what is like what the best thing is, like like with the best Adam Sandler movies, is like, yes, they're silly, but they have a heart to them. And Happy Gilmore has a heart i inside of the silliness where like you know he's like doing all of these things to like take care of his grandmother. Yeah. Um and um yes, it's pretty damn hilarious. Um so he's like he he loves hockey. He's always loved hockey. And um he's a failed hockey player, cause like he just can't not get into fights. Like just his his anger, you know, get gets the the best of him. So like the uh his grandmother like like loses her uh house, so she has to go to a re retirement home, and um the uh guys are moving her uh stuff out, and um the the the movers are like hey, I bet you you can't like hit this or something. So um he he can hit like really far, like l like he has a huge drive, so they're like, you know, hey, like why don't you try try golf or whatever, and he's like, you know, that's stupid, like golf's a dumb sport, whatever. But then once he tries it out, like everyone's amazed because he he can hit really far.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Right, he can do like 300-yard drives like without breaking a sweat.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

But that is pretty much all he can do. Um, because like there's like the uh great moments in the beginning where like he's like trying to put it in, and like he just can't get it, and he's just like cussing up a storm and misses over and over and over again. And they're like bleeping him and everything, and he just doesn't understand the uh the the sport of golf. And that is also like like kind kind of charming. It's like this fish out of water thing where um you know he has no clue what he's doing, but it's like he's he's forced to like learn if he wants to help his grandmother. Um and uh yeah, Carl Carl Weathers is uh Chubbs, who's Chubbs, that's his name, I couldn't remember it. Who's uh this uh famous golfer who uh had to stop because his hand got bit off by an alligator, of course. So stupid. And uh yeah, he has this very outrageous wooden hand.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

I I love I sorry I just pulled it up because I was curious. So like IMDB has uh Happy Gilmore at like a s a seven. Like that's pretty respectable. The metacritic score, which is right next to it, is like a 31.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Yeah, I was like that That's all of his movies.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Like people love them, but the critics are like, he sucks.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Yeah, it was weird because like I feel like this is like one of his like most loved.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Um Wedding Singer's still my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah, yeah, both of our favorites. The the Wedding Singer, which I guess was his movie right after this. Um But yeah, like like Um Gosh, yeah, yeah, it's just so so funny the the uh silliness and like Christopher Mc McDonald is like the uh villain. Um and uh he has that uh great great line uh I eat shit like you for uh breakfast and Adam's like shit for breakfast. He's like no so good. And of course it has the iconic uh Bob Barker fight. Um the price is wrong, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

I I've heard that line quoted so many times in my life. Right. Like it it I feel like before like Borat and you know uh uh Anchorman and maybe Superbad. Right, if it was an Adam Sandler movie, that's what got quoted in our schools. Like specifically that line.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

This was like that one of those movies for our generation, I feel like. Oh yeah. Um Yeah, and like I feel like I I don't think I saw it until I was like older um for the first time. But uh Yeah, it's like I mean it's it's not a perfect, you know, film by by any means, but I mean it's iconic. Um and yeah, I mean some like Sandler does get a lot of hate, but I mean it's like he knows his audience and like there are people like you and I we we can like I I think we w we said it in the the first episode, it's like I mean like w what you like. You know if it m makes you happy, like I mean there are very few movies, there are some, but there are very few that I will like, you know, just we'll we'll we'll do an episode on movies that just make you wanna grow a hair just to pull it out, I guess. Yeah. But but it's like I mean you know, he he makes movies and like I I feel like you you need films like Happy Gilmore, or where it's like just wackiness, silliness.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

I love it giving a little philosophical there, a little yin and yang.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Yeah, I was like, um I was the oh one of the other movies that I watched, I felt that that that way too. It's not like as silly, but it's it's got a sweetness to it.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Yeah. So I'll talk about that here in a bit. I I also forgot because I didn't know who this person was when I was a kid, but obviously I know her now. Julie Bowen is Adam Sandler's love interest in it. And for those who don't know Julie Bowen, she of course is Claire Dunfey in Modern Family, so she's been doing quite well for herself. Uh did you ever see the Happy Gilmore 2 sequel? Like the I never saw it. Was it was it still just as fun, or was it like a lot of people?

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Um yeah, I I I enjoy it. Like um it's uh pretty similar to to the first. There's like a lot more cameos and stuff, but that is also another thing. It's like so many people like have love for the first one that they just wanted to be involved in the uh second.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

And um there's a lot more like pro golfers in it, and yeah, it's just uh I feel like it's not as good as the uh first, but but it's still fun to me.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

That's nice. Yeah, I might have to rewatch it. I haven't seen it since oh my god, probably you know, 15 years now at least.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Yeah, you should watch that and the uh second.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

I'll double feature it.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

That's an appropriate, that's a very appropriate double feature. Yeah, for sure. Um my last double feature I ever did, I think I've told you before, was when I watched Showgirls and the emoji movie in the same night. Save it for later. Yeah, that that's for another episode. That's for another time. Uh I'm gonna jump ahead with my next pick here. Uh this is from 2011. This is uh the most recent movie on my list. Are you trying to think you got it already? You're so good with these dates too, normally. Because it can't be a big baseball film.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Oh. Well, the obvious m Moneyball?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yep, first time I watched it. I watched it this week, and I really liked it. And now this is a little bit different.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Um Yeah, I I think I've maybe only seen it once or twice, but yeah, I r remember enjoying it quite quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Yeah, it's not one that I I I don't think I'm gonna like go back to it and like rewatch it like every year or anything like that. But I I kind of wanted to give it a shot because it was just one of those big movies that I never saw, so I was like, maybe I should just put this in here just to give it a shot and read it or read it, watch it. And when I watched it, I was I was pretty pleasantly surprised with how cool it was. So it although it is a baseball movie for those who don't know, it really does focus more on the management side of baseball. So instead of focusing on the individuals trying to hit home runs or, you know, I'm gonna retire soon, so this is my last game, or whatever. It's literally this guy who is just trying to make the Oakland A's a valid team because they don't have money the way that the Yankees do. So the very first shot shows them losing in the playoffs, and it shows the money differences where the Yankees were at like 114 million and the Oakland A's only had 35 million spent. So it really is a game of, oh, if you have money, you're just gonna win. And so what this movie ended up going into was they actually started using these specific metrics to find these really deep cut players that aren't necessarily gonna be hitting. Yeah, it's it's it's so fucking nerdy. But like, look, I I work IT and I like sports. This movie was a fucking boner film for me. So like the whole point is they will instead of finding these guys who can hit home runs and you know cost millions of dollars, they just look for guys that have like they just get on base, basically. Like, oh yeah, this guy will probably get a a single. This guy will get a single, this guy will get a single, and like after a while it just starts adding up. And it stars Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill are the main two, they both got nominated for Oscars, neither one. Um, but I thought they were both very, very good. I thought Jonah was really great. This might be one of my favorite Jonah Hill performances, just because Brad, of course, I mean it's Brad Pitt. He's gonna be charming, he's gonna be very confident, he's kind of like that in a lot of movies as of you know late. And it's very fun to watch him just be like, alright, who are you? And Jonah's just like Peter, Peter Brand? Alright, but who are you? I I'm I'm Peter Brand. Like, it's just like he's so like timid and meek. And then I I kind of think Philip Zymour Hoffman is really underrated in that movie. I I took me a second to even recognize him like fucking RIP to a goddamn great, to be honest. He's he's so good, but like Philip Zymour Hoffman just has screen presence. Like he's just there's like shots of him just staring at the camera, like kind of giving like a are you fucking kidding me look? And you're like, that's acting, he's killing it, what a god.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

He's one of those guys that I like think about sometimes. Like, um the uh roles that we would have gotten. Like if he hadn't passed. Oh my god. Like on what he would be doing. Um and yeah, it's like um it was directed by Bennett Miller who uh directed Capote, which got Philip Seymour Hoffman.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

And I believe he also directed Foxcatcher, if I'm not mismistaken. Because that was actually I watched Foxcatcher this week as well, and I I didn't really want to talk about it because I thought like it felt less sportsy than everything else. It felt like there wasn't a lot of sports in it.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

Yeah, and it's a little more depressing.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Yeah, it's a Steve Krell's amazing in it, and the hair makeup in it is spectacular. Yeah, Ruffalo is great. Yeah, Ruffalo's so good, but like it didn't feel like sportsy enough. Where I was like, I need at least like the sports either has to be like the real underlying current, and that one felt more like it was you know something else. But um, back to Moneyball, there were so many moments that I wrote down that I was like, oh, this movie understands what it's like to be a fan. Because at the very beginning, Brad Pitt's character is listening, he doesn't watch baseball games, he only listens because he's like a superstition. And at one point, it's like, you know, there's two outs, and the Oakland A's are up at bat, and he turns off his radio only to turn it back on like 35 seconds later, and I was like, the amount of times I've been like, I can't watch this game anymore, it's too stressful, and I walk out only to come right back in.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

I do that like all the time.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Dude, I I know we do a bit about it. How serious are you anytime like it's like, oh, my team threw an interception in the first quarter, game over? Like, how serious are you when you when that happened?

SPEAKER_03 35:08

Chargers, I'm like, just I mean, it's just like there was like a video on you YouTube, it's like the best teams that that like you know never did anything or something, and it's just like that's what a Chargers fan is. I mean, it's just like we had so many great teams, and like we just couldn't do anything, so it's just like every time my hopes are up, it's like, alright, here it is.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

It cracks me every time because if I do that to you, if I'm like, oh, Darnold threw an interception, alright, season over. Like two minutes later, you're like, you know they're gonna win. And then they win, and I'm like, hey, cool, they won. Sports fans are the most obnoxious people, and I love it. It's really funny. Um actually, there is something about this movie that I think ties in really well to being a sports fan. Actually, a few things really, is at the very end, uh, this is another example where the Oakland A's did not win the World Series, they end up going on a 20-game winning streak, which was like the most ever in baseball history, which was insanely impressive. Everyone doubted that this team would do anything, and they make the playoffs, but they lose in the very first round to I believe the Minnesota Twins. But what I loved about the ending is a couple things is Brad Pitt's very sulky, and he's like, What we did doesn't matter because we didn't win the we didn't win the World Series, so who cares? And Jonah Hill basically says like no, you what you did was great. Like you this is a win. Like, yeah, we didn't win the the championship, but like you did everyone doubted us, everyone doubted the system that we created, and we did it. And people are gonna copy us now. We've we've basically laid down the groundwork. And what I love about that is I know there's so many sports fans who really do see every season as you either win the championship or it's a failed season. And I think that's such an awful negative mindset to have because there are so many seasons I go into it now to like level myself and go like, I think we could get nine wins with this team, or you know, I I think you know, we've moved a lot of pieces around. I I'm hoping for about this, and then either exceed or don't hit those, but it's never like uh you know, blow it up. Go to any Reddit thread after a football team loses, and everyone is always gonna be like, We gotta trade Patrick Mahomes. He threw he threw two interceptions today. He's trash, he's garbage, he's washed, he's over it, get rid of him, blow it all up.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Before that.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Yeah, well, I'm sure you would mean we'll take him. We need a defense. Yeah. So so like that's that's kind of why I love that moment, even as a sports fan. And there's even a line that they repeat a couple times, which is how can you not be romantic about baseball? Which I kind of now apply to sports, just how can you not be romantic about sports? Like, it is the realest drama out there now. That's you know, low stakes, all things considered. Like, it's not if your team win or loses, you know, there's not gonna be nuclear war. Oh, I mean, uh maybe Philly, but like other than that, right? That's that city will burn down.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

That city threw batteries at Santa. Suck it. But I really do like this movie. I thought it was fantastic, and just as a sports fan, it it definitely felt like it was written and directed by a sports fan, which I really appreciate.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Yeah, it's what what year was it set in? Because like I remember those A's teams.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

Uh 2003, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Yeah. So like the early 2000s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Because then the Red Sox, the the big kind of reveal is that they offer Billy Bean, who's Brad Pitt's character, the a huge, the highest contract ever to be the GM of the Red Sox, he turns it down, and the Red Sox, using his method, win the World Series like two years later.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Like winning their first one since like 1918 or whatever. So that was almost a little bittersweet of like, oh man, that could have been him, but also it's like that goes to Jonah's point in the movie of you kind of set the the set the path. Like it's okay that we didn't win the you know, win the Super Bowl this year because, or you know, win the World Series because we we've changed baseball completely. This changes the system. And that's that's a kind of a a slightly different baseball pick. And there's some good baseball movies out there, but I I almost chose a league of their own, because I do like that one quite a bit too. But because I just watched this one recently, I was like, I want to talk about it, and it feels more manager, and that's kind of fun to have that perspective. Ricky, what is your second film?

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Um, you might have heard this. It's called A League of Their Own.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

No, I'm not I'm not familiar. What's this about? Is uh Is it a hockey movie? Does it involve a primate?

SPEAKER_03 40:23

So I was like, uh I saw this movie like I don't know how many times as a kid. Like I would just watch it all the uh time. And um like I watched it yesterday and I hadn't seen it in a while. Um and I guess like I was like trying to like think about what I enjoyed so much as a kid. It's like Pretty Ladies probably was like part of it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Gina Davis.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

But um That smoke show Rosie O'Donnell so what I was talking about, like Happy Gilmore and how like you know you need those types of movies, like I don't know if they really make many movies like a League of Their Own anymore. It's like just like it's a sweet movie, it has a lot of like sweetness to it, it's like a feel-good story.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

It really feels good.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Um and yeah, yeah, I mean it's just uh I I can't really watch it and like not have a smile on my face, and it's funny because like some of the moments are like cheesy as hell. Oh, for sure. But also it's just like it's so so fun. Like the cast is amazing. Gina Davis, ma Madonna in one of her her best acting roles, I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

That's right, Madonna is in that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Um one cool cool thing that of course I didn't realize w when I was younger, because it's directed by Penny Marshall. Um so uh Penny Marshall and Rob Reiner's daughter is actually one of the uh players in it, which was uh Really? Yeah, I think it's Betty Spaghetti. Um gosh, I don't really remember what position she was. Uh Taya Leone's randomly in it as one of her early roles.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

It's so fascinating because that movie I feel like like you, I feel like I it was always on TV, it was always on like TBS or something. It seemed like people love this movie, and in my mind I'm like, oh, it must have like won like a bunch of awards. I it didn't get nominated for any Oscars. But this is like one of those films that people always point to when they think of baseball movies.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

The awards contender like like did like a video on it, um, and he was like talking about how like the Oscars that it like could have gotten. Um and did like if Tom Hanks had had gotten a supporting actor nomination, I wouldn't have been upset at all. Like um one of his earlier roles. This was this was in '92, so it was right before Philadelphia, which won him his first Oscar, then Forrest Gump. Um, but he had already done big with Penny Marshall. Um, and then he he does this, and um, yeah, he's so good like playing a drunk um in it. And um so so like the the whole thing, I think it's set in 43. Um the uh war is going on and everything, and so like a lot of like like DiMaggio, Bob Bob Feller, um like these popular baseball players um are are going off to the war, which I mean a lot of actors would do too. It's like you you you don't see that now, but I mean back in the day, it's like yeah, you know, I'm gonna go. fight for my country. Um and so like I don't really know what it was if they like just halted Major League Baseball all together.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

I think they put it like on a pause.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Yeah. So like this women's league is like starting up and um it's uh funny because like once it starts it's like there are like the these guys out there and like the this guy's on one of the dugouts and he's like uh you know women playing sports like women baseballers come on and then it's like one of them and then one of them like uh throws a ball at him which is great. Very fun. Um but but yeah it's like it's based off a a true league like like you know these um I don't know if they're they're like using the exact names of the women who like played in the league but um yeah it's like based off the this women's league that uh came up and it's so like what what they start doing is like they like start doing like crazier things like Gina Davis catches a bowl one time she she's the a catcher and like instead of just catching it she like does the splits um to like kind of like you know be be be more uh creative with it and more enter entertaining and everything so so like they they start doing that and they get more of an audience and everything but then um because Gary Marshall plays like the owner I guess or the the commissioner of the league and he's like you know this is only a temporary thing um you know the men are coming back we don't need this um and then David Strathair and um it it is like right under him and he's like hey sell me the league because you know I want to keep it going and everything and they uh do keep it going which is cool um because like it's become something really important especially to like these women and like they have like this uh line it's like um you know they've been taken out of the uh kitchen and everything and like like it's like just like a little like vac vacation I guess from the kitchen and and then it's like now you you need to like get back in the uh kitchen and it's like no like I mean women can do this too.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

I mean they're like proving themselves which is uh really cool um it correct me if I'm wrong uh because I I can't remember if this was addressed in the movie because I I think it was but it's been a while but when they because like they're they're wearing like basically skirts and dresses like instead of pants and so like I know in real history and I think they dress this in the movie like when they slide in a base like they are tearing up their legs like they are putting their bodies on the line way more than men because men don't have to tear their legs up like that.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yeah there there is one moment where um like one is slid and like um so like she has this huge bruise and like uh she's like getting ice on it and like Tom Hanks is there with like a a camera and he's like taking a picture of it um to like show it but yeah like and like that that is cool cool too is like I I don't know exactly how much they um did but it's like most of the shots it seems like are the actresses like actually doing it. So I don't know exactly like how much they uh did but I feel like they they like did um training to an extent um so I thought that that that was cool and like there's like a crazy ass dancing scene where like they go to this bar and like Madonna's just doing some crazy ass dances like classic you know like 40s 50s like uh dancing and she knows what she's about yeah right they they know why they hired Madonna they're like we need you to be in this dance scene yeah and then she has a song at uh the end of course of course probably in the contract yeah but uh yeah it's i it is weird that um it was skipped over at uh the Oscars um because like thinking back now it's like song uh Al Gina Davis um Tom Hanks yeah um i i it it's crazy because I looked at a recent picture of Lori Petty from like a couple years ago and like she has like she had like purple hair and everything and that's like this role is like so opposite of like what Lori Petty is now like like she would go on to like do tank girl which is very much like like what Lori Petty is yeah um but uh yeah it's just crazy to like see she's like this this beautiful like Gina Davis' younger sister um well you and you haven't even brought up the the most iconic line of there's no crying in baseball yep yep and uh the the little boy in it um who's like constantly annoying uh Tom Hanks and then Tom Hanks throws a glove at him it's like straight up child abuse but like nobody cares because he's annoying as hell 40s come on it's that's good old fashioned kid raising it's great because like his mom like won't do anything and then it's like these other people are like you know abusing him and it's like she's like now you know you asked for this pretty much it's like are you familiar with the adage talk shit get him it's like look no further than right there but I think you made a really good point about how like you know obviously in the movie they're saying like get out of the you know go back to the kitchen after you're out of you know that that bullshit but like even now we're seeing women's sports get a bit more love and appreciated I mean we obviously had Simone Biles and the gymnastics team um just be absolutely beyond love Jade Carey being another gymnast um Jordan Childs another amazing gymnast but there's also you know obviously the WNBA is getting a lot of love here and even WWE wrestling like they I know a lot of the fans said we don't want the fucking Bra and panty matches anymore like just give the divas a chance and lo and behold they said alright there you go like it it does feel kind of nice to see that progression right and it's like definitely took too long but you know the old adage better late than than never yeah you know and I feel like um yeah the these women were definitely a uh ahead of their their time um so yeah I mean it's just like if you haven't seen it like definitely um check it out for like the the the real story it's telling and I mean just a a classic like it's it's probably the the baseball movie that like see like I've never I've still never seen like Field of Dreams Bull Bull Durham uh the the natural but it's like a a League of their own like it's up there with the movies I've seen the most in my life like and yeah it still holds up for sure it's so nice alright my last movie Ricky another one that I watched for the first time I don't even know why I pulled this up I think maybe I heard the Sklar brothers mention this on their podcast years ago and said okay let me give this a watch it's a from 1979 it's a cycling movie and it's called do you know it so I haven't seen it but it is one that I want to see is it breaking away it is indeed breaking away this movie you will fucking adore it is a um uh coming of age story actually which I know like those are definitely some that pull on your heart strings I'm a sucker yep you are a sucker for a good coming of age story and this is a great one um you have a very very young Dennis Quaid in it uh but he the main character is uh Dennis Christopher who plays Dave and it's the whole story is basically the is there these four best friends these four friends coming out of high school and none of them are probably gonna go to college or they're like kind of not really thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

And they're from families that were known as cutters so they were the people that dug out the quarries built a whole bunch of the colleges nearby and there's actually a very salient line of um Dave's dad who's the one of the best movie dads I've ever seen he's so good. I'll go into him in a minute but um there's a really great line where he's saying something about like oh yeah I I built this college hall and I'm not welcoming it. Like more or less kind of saying like this is just who we are we're cutters. Like they're they're always going to look down on us. These rich people are always gonna go oh you're not rich you're not in college we don't care about you um Dave is wonderful in this kid because his whole thing is he he loves cycling and he's just super into Italian culture so he just keeps calling his mom and dad like mama pop up you know he's like ciao like he's just like constantly throwing out like all these like Miyamones and like his dad's just like well I don't speak itty like he keeps calling everything itty and his mom is so sweet and like uh played by uh Barbara Barry and uh and Paul Dooley is the dad and his mom is so sweet and like actually like trying to like encourage and be like oh you have you like things yay and at one point like gives the dad like steamed zucchini he's just like what is this she's like oh it's zucchini goes Enie that's itty food I don't want itty food I want American food I want French fries it's a hilarious movie it is a legitimately funny movie and also super super endearing this is like the most endearing movie I've ever seen like as far as like like as of late like it's so good um there there's so many amazing lines um actually there was one that kind of holds up where one person a cop like asks these kids like how you doing like he's kind of like side eyeing them and one of the kids just goes well we're a little disturbed by the elements in the Middle East but other than that we're fine I was like oh timely. Oh snap um one fun fact it was actually shot in Bloomington Indiana and that's where the movie takes place so they actually shot there and everything is really wonderful. There's just so many beautiful scenes you'll love where like he basically the kid starts getting so into like French or excuse me Italian that he like he's he keeps doing like the accent and he's learning he knows a little bit and this girl's like oh wow like are you an exchange student and he's just like see so like at one point he like serenades her in Italian and she like falls in love with him like they really like each other. It's so cute and adorable but there's this really heartbreaking moment where there's like a uh pre-race basically and the Italians are gonna be there at this race and he's like this is awesome and the Italians like when he he starts pulling away from them the Italians pull out like a stick and put in his spokes and make him fall and then kind of like tell him you know you know go fuck yourself essentially and it really breaks his heart and he has this really sad moment where he's talking to his dad where he's just like like he's you know he's he calls him dad and the dad's just like dad not papa anymore like he the dad is constantly just like shitting on his son it's very funny. But the son says like there there's a whole moment where the dad basically sold a broken car to someone and they wanted a refund and the dad is mad because the son's like we'll give you your refund and he's like you know pissed off because like ah I start having nightmares giving my money back to everybody like just you know being grumpy dad and the kid like apologizes being like I'm sorry turns out everybody cheats I just didn't realize it and you're like oh no Dave it's okay buddy and then like you can even tell like the dad it's that it's so it's such good like 50s dad energy because he like the son is like holding like crying in his dad's arm and the dad's just like um well I'm I'm glad you learned that lesson and like looks at his mom and he's like well come on say something to him and like she's just like looking at the father like dude he's literally in your arms like feed be nice the movie ends with I think one of the coolest renditions of sports I've seen so it's a cycling race and I will say spoiler alert Dave does win so this is actually a moment where he wins and it's amazing and it's like a four person race so they can like hop off the bike at any time if they get tired and someone else relays in and of these 200 laps Dave does like 130 of them. Wow yeah it's it's very wonderful but and then his dad comes back to come see it because at first he's like I I I have to go to work I'm not gonna watch and then he comes he he supports his son Ricky oh my god but what I love about this shot and even if you don't see the movie right away look up this shot on YouTube because it is so well shot where the actual like last two or three laps it actually looks like a live footage shot. Like it's not like how they're they're not cutting from like wheels to like the front of someone's face and like following behind. It's literally just like an aerial shot just following the racetrack and it really did trick my brain to being like oh my god is he gonna win like like I actually was watching as if it was a real race. Yeah. And it was like and as soon as it happened I went oh I'm this is a movie. This is I forgot this is a movie. Like it was such a brilliant brilliant choice to shoot from that angle and the last thing I'm gonna say is shout out to uh the writer Steve Tesch. He did win the Oscar for Best Screenplay.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Yeah and understandably so because my God is it great I will not shut up about this movie. It's so so good.

SPEAKER_03 59:05

Yeah it's like one of those that I always see like like when I look up like sports movies. Um it's like it's well loved but I feel like it's like under the radar though it's like um not a lot of people know about it like like all I knew is that it's a is that it's a biking movie.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Um you would absolutely die watching it. This is this is gonna be so up your alley. Yeah I'm definitely gonna focus on it now because yeah I've been meaning to and then I always forget about it and then I'm like oh yeah there there's that one yeah like the the bad guys in it are basically like college rich boys who are like you know constantly calling them cutters because they're you know lower class people so who cares so you're already like unlike Rocky where I said like there's no antagonist you have a tags they're like yeah oh you rich college educated jerks like it's so great. There's a fight scene that happens where like uh someone accidentally gets their thumb stuck in a bowling ball and so when the fight scene breaks out he's just like swinging a bowling ball on everybody. It's so good. Just like man what a great great movie Dennis Quaid's fantastic in it too because he's just more of like a hot head character um and he just pushes himself too hard and it's it's so good. I I'll I'll shut up jump to your last movie here Ricky.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Yeah the the last thing I'm definitely gonna watch that here here soon um so my last one was actually from last year is it F1 close is it another racing movie? No it's only close because it's from last year and it was a best picture nominee oh is it one of the foreign films?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Marty Supreme Oh my god duh I I literally wrote Marty Supreme down in my notes of like oh I should bring this up to talk about and duh yeah Marty Supreme talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:09

So I watched it for the second time yesterday and I think one of the things that I was thinking of the most is like you and I like like talk about this a lot it's like and it just drives me nuts these athletes who are like their own worst enemy oh for sure they just can't stay out of their own way and it's like you know whether it's like a domestic abuse thing or like drugs or just you know being an idiot um you know and it's like it starts out like uh use so Marty's like like really good at um ping pong table tennis and it's like one of those things where like you you can tell that he's really good but it's like he's just such an asshole like so cocky and everything that it's just the way he handles himself is so off putting to everyone and it's like and it's kind of like mirroring like um you know not to the the the extreme but it's mirroring how we were talking about Timothy Chalamet. It's like you know if there's just some humbleness that i is missing um and I think that could could go a long way and I mean it's like yeah he's just um Marty's just such an asshole and um it's like it's really weird because um there are like moments in it where like you can tell that he clearly like cares about people like even people that he's really shitty to like um sure like uh the the main girl in it Odessa a A Zion like like um they're kind of like together but they aren't but they are and then he ends up getting her pregnant and it's like he like you know uses her and everything. But it's like there are moments where like you can tell that he really cares about her but also it's one of those things where like I don't even think it's like the table tennis thing it's just like fame success and I mean that is yeah and like that is so relatable I feel like you know because like we like see it a lot like especially in pro athletes oh yeah um it's like you know you're so talented but man you're an asshole um and like yeah um he's he's really a con man too but he's like not a good con man it's like he's always like you know there there's that uh great great moment with uh Tyler the the creator where like he's like talking to him and he's like hey don't mess with me like you you do everyone else it's like you know I see how how how you are and then he does it anyway. Yeah of course so I mean it's like you know he just and I mean part of it is like he's like clearly coming from like a lower class and like he like has dreams of like success and everything and he like works at his uncle's like shoe shoe shop and um his uncle's like gonna make him manager and and he's like I don't want this you know I have bigger dreams and also another thing that is like so r relatable it's like right you know you have to go for your dreams and and and it's like I'm not entirely sure like sure about the character I guess. Like um I don't know if I fully understand like like the uh story and everything and like everything behind the uh character. Um I feel like there's like many interpretations that could could be made. Um it's like what he truly like cares about um what truly is most important but it does seem like it's like he just wants to have this bigger, more more grand life um that he like sees and I guess he he glamorizes and like he um he ends up with uh Gwyneth Paltrow who's the this actress who you know she was big and now she's like she's kind of like an afterthought I guess and she's like still trying to like um make something out of her career and he's using her and what do you make of the the honey licking scene what what's your interpretation of that dude that that shit is like when I like what watched it again I was like what's the point of this but man it's like shit like like because like I love like you know learning about the Holocaust and like it's so like horrifying and everything and it's like when I was watching it I was like holy shit like this this could I could 100% see this as like happening but I am confused on like why it's in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

My 'cause my interpretation was that like because if I remember correctly Marty's the one who's like oh tell him that story tell him that story. Yeah yeah you tell that story like Marty likes the story but the story is about a guy who does something so kind of strange on the grand scheme of things but it's to help others and to me like it was a way of like showing that Marty is identifying with the wrong thing that he's not seeing a story about some because if I remember correctly the story is that he's having like other Holocaust victims lick the honey off of them to get any kind of nourishment. And so it's this really you know personal some might say degrading thing but he is helping people in some way and Marty doesn't help people at all in the like given the option to help anyone at all he won't but he still loves that story.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

To me I thought that was like maybe that's the point is like that's kind of the dichotomy of it is you know it's like when like you know when you hear like Republicans are like I love Rage Against the Machine and you're like I don't think you're understanding this correctly so yeah it's like um he's he's entertained by it I guess but he doesn't understand it as like 'cause yeah the uh character it's like the uh Nazis put him out there because he can like di diffuse bombs um and of course they like put him out there by himself because you know I mean if he messes up oh it's just another Jew who uh dies you know but we don't want to die or anything but then he finds this beehive and so yeah he just l lathers himself w with honey to uh feed the the other Jews in the concentration camp and it's like that's like such an amazing story um right right there and like such an amazing moment but yeah I think it is like Marty's like man this is crazy right like what the heck is maybe he thinks it maybe he doesn't think necessarily it's funny or but like maybe he's just like weird story right like well and there there's also the moment where uh um Mr. Wonderful from from Shark Shark Tank which also like you know the uh craziest like you know casting like um the the the homeless guy who was like singing in New York and I can't remember his name but he became famous um he he's in it uh George Gervin famous San Antonio Spur the Iceman yeah um Abel Ferrara famous director uh Penn from Penn and Teller That's right but uh yeah like Mr.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Wonderful's like yeah my uh son died and like uh uh Marty just starts laughing right and he's like is there uh something funny and he's like no I I just have like nervous laughter and it's like like it's so weird it's like is he just a shitty human being like it you know it's some it's kind of funny because at the beginning you're like you do want to root for him at first because there is that thing of like oh we all want to be great at something how cool we want to go for our dreams but then like it does feel like because in his mind he's already the best that people should be giving him the accolades before he's earned anything and so like part of me wonders that near the end when he has to get his ass spanked by a uh paddle over and over again if like in his mind he's like this is gonna be my honey story like like I'm doing something pretty great right now. Like almost like if he would equate that without realizing that the honey story was supporting people and this is just trying to support himself so he can win his ping pong match.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:35

Yeah and then after that you know because I think it's like he's supposed to like lose or something or it's like he's not supposed to kiss a pig and Yeah and like he what he wants is like this chance to uh face the uh Japanese guy who like beat him um earlier in the film and like show that he really can like be great and it's like what does he want out of that?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

Like does he just wanna wanna prove that he can do it um I think this is also another subversion where like this is a chance for s I will say spoiler alert for this one since people haven't this is still pretty fresh but yeah he does win in the end and it almost I I didn't want him to right like he he wins his match and like you're kind of like I'd rather him just lose or you know play ball or like yeah like because he's so unlikable that it's like I don't want him to get any accolades and and he really still doesn't even though he wins like he's he's happy but like I don't think there's he though yeah I mean it's like you know I don't know and then there's like the the very end where like Odessa is I and like she gives birth to his baby and like he like goes to like see it and like you watch it and I was like I I really do do think so it's directed by Josh Safety.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:13

Um the uh Safety brothers made some great movies like Uncut Gems um and like they've they're also like doing stuff on their own um and like I I feel like he leaves it open to interpretation like um because it's like Marty starts to like cry when he's like looking at his child and it's like I mean why why is he crying is he crying because like is he like what have I done like like I'm this is the end of my life yeah is he looking at it like well great ping pong's gonna get a lot harder now thanks baby like you just like I gotta leave this kid deuces like peace out bruh like um you know I I I don't know there's a lot but like so when I first watched it I I I said like you know it's extremely well what well made um and I think because like Marty's such an unlikable character like like that that helps and like but it's like I I might have enjoyed it more the uh second time around. Like it's like 'cause I was thinking about his his character more. Um and yeah it's like I it's one that I want to keep going back to to like kind of see like if I can like interpret it di differently and like um I really want to like listen to Safety's commentary um on it just hearing him talk about it just see if I can get any more insights like um you know into it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

His character reminds me a lot of Christian Bale's character in the fighter where it's this very confident obviously Christian Bale's character is like in prison but he's like I'm I'm so great I was the best one I knocked I you know I knocked the guy out and because I'm so good and so good at my job and then he's like constantly like hyping up everybody in prison about like how great he is and like there there's always that amazing quote of um great people don't say they're great people tell you you're great and definitely that's something that does not apply to uh Marty Supreme or Christian Bale and the fighter where they they have to constantly say it otherw you need to let people know you're dealing with someone awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

But I mean the uh thing is I mean they they are great I mean they they were great but like I said you know they just they were their their own worst enemy like Christian Bale and the fighter just drugs yeah got to him and like Marty's just a huge asshole. Huge asshole.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:02

Good thing there's no one like that in sports in reality.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:05

Right like oh god just constantly yeah but yeah I mean it's a fantastic film and I like I I do like I mean like we we we might sh shit on Timmy a little bit but I mean he's a young guy like it's like I don't hate him like it's just I just want him to you know chill out like um little little bit of uh humbleness wouldn't go amiss.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:39

Yes yes for for sure but these were all very very good movies I'm definitely gonna have to watch a couple I'm gonna re-watch Happy Gilmore first I think I have not seen that in so long and I think I need a good dumb movie to just ruminate on. But man there are so many sports movies that we could have talked about that are all pretty fantastic. I I know like recently like I Tanya I really liked quite recently NIAD I enjoyed quite a bit still haven't watched Nyad it's very fascinating uh especially if you're a swimmer like I was growing up so it's like this is my sport I'm represented uh but I mean the wrestler probably another big one I almost wanted to talk about Big Fan which was the the writer who wrote the wrestler wrote Big Fan but Big Fan is less about the sport and more about that one's the one with Patton Oswald right yeah yeah that one is probably the best representation of a sports fan because it's literally about this guy who's obsessed with this his Giants New York Giants and then this star player and the star player like puts him in the hospital and then it's his decision to either like get this guy suspended and you know press charges but then if he gets suspended his sports team is gonna lose so it's like that's how deep of a sports fan he is he's like I'd rather my team maybe win and everyone's like what dude what are you talking about? It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:07

Uh some I had here you mentioned Bendit like back um of course uh the replacements oh okay uh mighty ducks two and three I love them one more than the first uh bring it on bring it on of course um you know bad news bears if you want to go comedy right Blades of Glory funny movie basketball Teladega nights basketball some true classics it's so funny sports are uh seem to be a really good maybe it's just a good medium for everything like we said it's good kids' movies there's clearly a lot of sports comedy films a lot of sports dramas biopics like it's it's just ripe so one I started watching yesterday that I really wanted to be able to put on there but I couldn't the big Lebowski I was like a sports movie I was like bowling doesn't play a big enough part in this if if like if the dude was like a professional bowler maybe Kingpin or something but like yeah yeah kingpin probably would have I would have shot that one down but like pick a different one.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

Like I love Big Lebowski don't get me wrong I love the Cody brothers but that is why I wanted to so much that's so funny. Well Ricky I think that is a good stopping point for us any final thoughts on sports or sports movies sports are cool go sports well thank you for listening to another episode of a mostly film podcast I've been Brandon with me as always is Ricky. Please go watch the movies bye