We Talking Biopics!

Ricky and Brandon dish on their favorite biopics. Do they have to be historically accurate or is it okay to take liberties? Also, Brandon surprises Ricky with a blind Power Rankings. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:19

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a Motely Film Podcast. We are inspired by real events based on a true story and liberties taken to be more interesting. I am Brandon, and with me, as always, is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?

SPEAKER_01 0:37

I'm alright. Um you know, I'm uh waiting for the Well, this is gonna spoil it, but today we're talking about biopics, and uh I'm waiting for the uh biopic of my life, you know, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Oh, really? You know, it's it's funny you mentioned that. I actually wanted to ask you if you did have a biopic, who would you want to portray you? It could be anyone.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

That is a good question.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Um It doesn't have to be like modern day actors, it could be actors that maybe are in their prime or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Um Josh, probably my uh Michael B. Jordan, I I'd say. What?

SPEAKER_03 1:16

No, nothing, nothing. No, he's a great actor. I'm sure he could absolutely portray you.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

You know, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Denzel.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Regina King. Uh oh, I got it. Daniel Day Lewis. You would you really want Daniel Day Lewis to portray him? I mean, it it wouldn't work, but like that guy can do anything. I I don't know if you re remember when we were in college, but I always said that I wanted him to uh play Captain Underpants really bad, and then Andy Circus play the cape.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

Um I do remember you say that was a running gag is that every time we watched a movie, one of us would point out, like, I don't know if you guys know this, but Andy Circus is that bad. Like we would just say that. It wouldn't be like an even a talking backpack, it would just be like a normal Jan Sport backpack.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Cause like and like Daniel Day Day Lewis is no notoriously method, so like just like Captain Underpants running around in his underwear.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

Saddle wearing underpants, you'd have to agree. You never look, we're in the dumbest timeline of all time. We probably will get Daniel Day Lewis playing Captain Underpants at some point.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

I think the only way is if his son like writes it, we'll have to like contact his son.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

I think you should write it. You should write it, deliver it to him. Like say I'm his son. Exactly. And then say it after this, can you portray me? I would like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

And that would be amazing. Like, I respect this guy so much for coming to me. That is what if anyone had ever done that, you know. Like, I don't know why nobody else did that beat before, but you know. I'm so approachable.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

I'm famously approachable.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Um I think I'd want John Cusack to play me. I feel like that'd be a good pick.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I could could see that.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Um Patrick Wilson, maybe. I'm just looking for like generic white guys.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

So like we So it could be like Mim and like like younger, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Yeah, no, like because I I can't even name any actors that are, you know, my age or like, you know, in their twenties to portray my like amazing twenties or whatever. Gosh. I don't know. Probably some like random euphoria extra. I'll be like, that person will play me. Like I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

God, yeah. I I can't think of anyone for my myself. Can you?

SPEAKER_03 3:51

I bet like I bet Jesse Clemens would be doing good.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Oh, yeah, that's a good call.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Bring Philip Seymour Hoffman back from the dead, he'd do a good rookie.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Well, I did play uh Jack. We we Yeah, you were in Jack goes boating.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Yeah, yeah. That's your your correlation.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

I guess we should talk about why we wanted to do biopics this time. I know one of the big reasons is that the Michael Jackson movie is coming out. That's probably going to do very well at the box office. My prediction is it'll be fine. And I'm gonna assume they're gonna leave out a few things about his life.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

So literally, like like the uh weirdest thing, um, right before we got on here, you know those Apple um messages you you like get it's like Apple news. Um so like I know you you don't have an Apple, but like Yeah, I'm better than them. Yeah, so so it's like you'll like just randomly get like the notifications on your phone for like news and stuff, and then the one what was like Michael almost blew up, and now it's like prime to be a huge box office success, and I'm like, why is it telling me this? It's like is there nothing else going on in the world right now?

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Did they pay Apple to like do this? Oh, I'm sure they did. I am sure they did. I I really hope. Uh I'm trying not to ruin the movie for my wife because she loves Michael Jackson's move uh music. And I I do too. Yeah, it's very good.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

She's great, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

But I keep making jokes. I have to stop making them around her about, you know, all the whole uh uh uh how do I phrase this? Child molestation stuff about her.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

I really hope, you know how like biopics at the end are always just like John Johnman went on to work for another 15 years until he happily married in 2008 and died, or you know, or whatever. I really hope the end of the Michael Jackson movie is that like where it's just like Michael was loved by many, he then fucked a lot of little kids. Just like, oh god.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Like just sprinkle it in there. My my coworker was like asking me me about that. He was like, do you think like well he was like, I wonder like how much they're gonna go into all that, and it's like cause his cause his nephews, he you know, like playing them. So I mean it's like, yeah, like I think it's gonna be like the uh like a a complete unknown where it's like you know, a certain part of Dylan's life, it's gonna be like it's gonna go up to a point in Michael's life.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

Yeah, I I I feel like that happens a lot specifically with music biopics, where a lot of the members of the bands or the people that are familiar or related to those artists are still alive, and so they really sanitize everything. I know with Bohemian Rhapsody when that movie came out, I think it was supposed to be Sasha Baron Cohen was trying to do that.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

That is, I I do think he was the original like and it was I don't think Brian Singer was like attached um at first. Maybe you know Brian Singer, can't tell him no. Woo! Um so Michael Michael.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

Um like Sasha Barron Cohen, I think, really wanted to do a like a lot more of the um insanity that Freddie Mercury was kind of around in. Like the parties apparently were yeah, but instead they went with the most like cliche uh like music biopic ever. I still like the final scene where he's at you know the big stadium doing live aid. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yeah, that that that scene's amazing. Um and Rami's good.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Um yeah, Rami's I love Rami Malik.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

Um but yeah, it's like, you know, because Brian Singer like was doing it, and then you know, all the stuff about him came out. So I think Dexter Fletcher was the one who like finished it up, maybe. I think that was his name.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Yeah. Yeah, I I feel like the I it's weird. I will watch a music biopic, but I they're never really my favorite. I think I enjoyed uh Rocket Man quite a bit because it was more stylized, and I liked straight out of Compton. I thought that was pretty fun. We saw that. But I think honestly. You and I? Yep. We did see that together. Oh man, that's so fun. We're good friends.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

We're friends, we're pals.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

I still think that like the weird owl biopic and the walk hard are the best. They're so good, and they they really satirize all those music biopics because they are kind of the same. Like, specifically with Bohemian Rhapsody, I remember the part that I went, I think I'm out, was like they're all having a big dramatic fight, and then like one guy just goes to the side and starts playing like another one bites the dust, and they're just like, wait a minute, what are you playing? He's like, it's just this song I was jamming on. It's like, oh, that's cool. Like, it was just all the most like cliche nonsense, and it's I still like a lot of it, but I feel like they it's a very by the numbers biopic.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

So Singer's the only credited director on that.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

I wonder if maybe they gave someone else credit at some point, but maybe it was too far gone that Singer was still technically attached. I don't know, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Yeah, that's really weird because like usually they'll like wow, that's that's very weird. Because I thought like, um Yeah, once all the stuff came out, they like try to distance themselves and all that.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Um would make sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Weird. Well, Ricky, shall we get into it? Do you want to start off with one of your first biopics? Are by the way, are these your favorite or is it just one you wanted to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Um, this first one's probably my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Like the one that um sto stood out like like right away. Um pretty obvious to me. And um I have a guess. You have a guess? You want to go ahead?

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Without giving a year, I'm gonna assume you're gonna talk about Schindler's List. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I know you love that movie. Just like um And like I understand um I don't know, some sometimes I like weird my myself out where like some topics like like I love learning about the the Holocaust and I mean of course like it can get like d d depressing. Um but it's like I just like I don't know it's it's one of those things maybe it's like a morbid curiosity, but like me as a person, like I feel like I'm fairly empathetic and I just like I wanna like learn about like what these people like went through and everything and I I I don't know, so so like the the the Holocaust just really like fascinates me. And um I was reading up on it and it's funny cause like um on the the Holocaust or Schindler's list. So it's directed by by Steven Spielberg, one won the best picture of n 93, um won like I think it was like eight Academy Awards was like the uh final. But um so like Spielberg really didn't want to make it. Like he was like, you know, like shopping it around, like Scorsese was attached to it. Like Scorsese almost did it, and then Spielberg was like, Alright, I mean I feel like I need to like make this because Spielberg's Jewish and like so he has a connection there.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Was Spielberg not wanting to make it because it's just so dramatic and horrible, or do you know why?

SPEAKER_01 12:50

So one of the crazy things is like he didn't think it would like make money. Um Huh. Yeah, but so I think it was like 88. Um Scorsese was attached to it, and then it got to a point where like Spielberg said that he would do it. Um and so he's like he offered Scorsese Cape Fear, and then Spielberg would do Schindler's list. So that that was like the uh trade-off there.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

But it's a crazy trade. Right. Um like no shade to Cape Fear, but man.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

But I mean Scor Scorsese's like, you know, he was like fine fine with it. I mean, it's like I think he wanted like Spielberg to like do it. Yeah. Um But yeah, like uh there was so Scorsese was like the closest. Um Brian De Palma like turned it down. Really? Yeah, these were like people I think Spielberg was like shopping it around to. Um, and like Billy Wilder actually like wanted to do it.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

That would have been a very different movie. I love Billy Wilder.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Like, 'cause gosh, he was pretty old, like, at this point. Yeah, I think he would have been and um he had like lost well and like I think Spielberg also like brought it to Polanski and um because like Polansky was in Kra the He was in the Krakow ghetto, I believe, but but he was like in one of the concentration camps. He like survived one of them. Polanski did? Yeah. And um he was like he he lost like I I don't know if he lost his parents in them. He lost family in them. Um but like he just um I feel like it was like too personal maybe at that time for him, and then he went on to to uh do the the pianist, which was like his Holocaust movie.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Yeah, and that movie did well as well.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Um But yeah, it's like so I feel like someone can like look at it and be like, oh, like this is like originally like like I was like, oh, this is like Spielberg's movie to like try and get himself the Oscar and everything, but it's like no, like like I mean he didn't you know wanna he tried to avoid it for a while. Like he didn't think it was gonna be like that successful and everything. Um and like I know Claude Lansman who directed Shoah, which is I can't rem remember what the final uh running time of Shoah is. It's this Holocaust documentary that I've told told you that I really w want you to see, but it's like 12 hours long. Um and all it is is interviews with like people who were there. And and I know he doesn't like Schindler's list. Like maybe it's because it's like really too yeah, maybe like to him, it's like too Hollywoodized, I guess. I I don't know. But it's like I I love both of them. Like they're they're both very different. It's like you have Shoah that is like, you know, the r the the real accounts and like but also Schindler's list they're the the Schindler Jews who were the the Jews that Oscar Schindler managed to like save. Um so like the the the whole thing is like Schindler's a part of um the Nazi party um and he's like opening a factory and he's employing these Jews and like his whole thing is like he wants to be rich, like like like all these other Nazis, he's like seeing, you know, he wants the money. Um so he's employing these Jews, you know, in the factory to like make himself money. Like that is the the the whole thing. But then he kind of starts witnessing like the horrors of the Holocaust. So he's like oh I can save a lot of lives here. Cause like if like the Jews were like seen as um what's the uh word? Uh like they were worth something. Um they could be beneficial to like the uh Nazi Party and what they were trying to to do, then you know, they wouldn't be killed. Um so he was like trying to employ as many as he could in his factory, um, and put them on his list and everything. So like the the whole like um why this movie was made is cause um what I read is like one of the uh Jews, um one of Schindler's Jews wanted it to be made in 63, like like because he wanted to do it for what he said, the man who saved his life. Um like yeah, it was like I guess kicking around for a while. Um and I don't know exactly when Spielberg like got a hold of it. But it's like I I can't I can't really imagine like someone else doing it. Like it's so incredibly gorgeous, like gorgeous black and white cinematography.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, black and white except for a little bit of red.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Yes, like a little and like the opening to say and like the opening, I guess. Like like the opening, because like there's the candle and then the flame and like the editing there is just amazing. Like the candles like going up and then you see the uh the smoke from the train. Um but yeah, like like I guess that is like the one scene like so it's the the liquidation of the the the ghetto and it's the girl in the the I guess it's like a little red suit or something, like yeah, like a little red overcoat. Yeah, yeah. Um and that is like the uh color. And I was actually wondering what what you thought about it, but it's like I don't really know I haven't really like read up or like listened to the commentary or anything exactly why that is there. Maybe it's cause like you know it's a little girl and he's like able to like follow her, and it's like all these people are like getting killed around her and everything, and there's this little girl just like walking by herself, like while Yeah, I think that's Jews are getting murdered. So it's like maybe cause it sticks out to him, because like w when that scene's going on, like Schindler's up on a hill, um, because he was riding his horse with uh one of his uh secretaries, who he's cheating on his wife with, of course, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

Um I'll say it, I don't like these Nazis.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

These Nazis are not cool people.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Um not a fan of these guys.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yeah, but that is like he's like kind of like, you know, it's starting to like soften up. Um because like you know, he's interacting with like the these Jews and like he's like getting closer w with them. Um and I don't think he ever really like takes the whole Nazi approach where like they're they're not human. Like, I mean it's like he he never really views them that that way. It's like because he's all focused on the money. So he's like, you know, I don't care who this person is, it's like they can make me money and everything. It's it's my job, so but it's like one that a scene when he witnesses the liquidation of the ghetto, that is what like really switches. Kind of shakes them.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

Do you know how much of the movie was faced and how much was more Hollywood stylized?

SPEAKER_01 21:27

I don't um I think like a lot of it is like based on like because like um the the the end um it shows like it's like a uh real real life, the the the very end. So it's like the the surviving Schindler Jews are going to Schindler's grave um and they're like putting like rocks on them, which I think is like uh means uh something. specific in like the Jewish faith um so so it's like their their their way to like show their their love for him um but yeah I mean they so I think Spielberg talked to like a lot of like the actual like Schindler Jews um but it's like Spielberg like before this I mean you know it's like he's doing all these like spectacles like Jaws had already come out uh Indiana Jones all three Indiana Jones um this was already also after color purple as well not a spectacle but heavy subject matter yeah so so I mean he had like like proven that he could like handle like the the heavy subjects that was probably like his big one um but yeah he had also done ET and everything. So it's like this this guy who's like making like these visually striking like like uh really great um entertainment movies and then he's like gonna do like like this Holocaust film.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

And the most popular Holocaust film probably of all time.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

And like I I feel like you feel Spielberg in it. It's like he's like carrying over like like his like big spectacle like entertaining like just the way he like directs but it still works so well because at the end of the day it's so deeply personal. Um and it one thing I love is like whenever they would show it on TV they would show it uncut.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Um like yeah crazy right they would edit it and I love that huge huge props to like TV for doing that because that's a like they could easily have edited that and kind of not whitewashed it but it you know you can't really edit that movie without taking out the point and the impact.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Because there there's nudity in it um graphic violence in it uh some horrible language in it but it's like it all serves such a huge purpose yeah um there are two videos I need you to watch after this okay uh one is someone actually interviewed the German people after a showing of Schindler's list so it's actually like back in the 90s and they are all stunned.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

Like it's it's pretty impressive they're like wow we didn't even know about a lot of this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

And then there's another amazing video with Oscar Schindler and he's getting some sort of like recognition in the audience and it's a BBC thing you can find online and someone the the announcer says oh if if you know if you were in this audience tonight and Oscar Schindler say you know maybe helped your life please stand up and everybody in there stands up because it's all like the survivors that he helped and he obviously didn't recognize them because he helped so many and it is jarring like it's genuinely chilling to see like wow this is a whole auditorium full of people that would have been dead without him yeah I can't remember what the final number was but it's like um and like Liam Neeson like playing Schindler amazing per performance like um and um you know I think I've told you like this was Ray Fine's like first like big role and like he should have at least one Oscar by this point. I mean there's so many politics that that go into the Oscars but it's like so best supporting actor this year went to Tommy Lee Jones for the the fugitive and I'm just like what like are are you kidding me like uh uh Tommy Lee Jones was asked about that and he was quoted as saying I don't care was he really no like like like that that that's the line from the fugitive that he that that wouldn't shock me though um but yeah it's like I don't see like maybe because Tommy Lee Lee Jones was the bigger name at this point. But it's like man like the the evil of uh Goethe I think that is how you pronounce the name I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. But um yeah Ray R Ray finds character in that um but but yeah going going back to the girl in in in in red I mean what it what do you think the whole point of that was now it has been a minute since I've seen it but from my recollection it definitely felt like it was either just kind of this idea of um like you said focus because when everything's in black and white there's something in our brains that trick us into thinking oh this happened a long time ago who cares there there's uh even a study that you would see a lot of pictures from the civil rights movement get posted and a lot of them are black and white there were color cameras that were in the mainstream at that point black and white was not the norm but people do believe that they showed black and white pictures to fool people to going oh see this is ancient history this is this happened a long time ago and so I think in Schindler's list that almost kind of can trick you where you can in a way normalize it or kind of detach yourself from it and then when you see the girl in red it almost pulls you back in to go oh wait no this is happening this is real this ha like and I think maybe that might be something and you I could be completely wrong in spitting bullshit but like you I think that could be tied. You do eventually like see her uh body um being like disposed of so I mean like the impact of that I guess is more right like it's like you recognize it. Yeah cause like if and I mean it's like I guess if you hadn't colorized that then Cause like she's in black and white still I think it's just the coat that is red. Um so yeah it's like maybe that is like a great way to get you attached to someone without seeing like this little speaking to them or this this cute little girl um and that actually m makes me think of like the uh scene that always like stands out to me too as like w when the little girl is screaming goodbye Jews like like God that uh like yeah there there's this and like I I understand for uh for a lot of people it can be a tough watch um and actually thinking of it I think one of the scenes that like got some backlash specifically from the Showa director was when they were in the uh they were getting the shower so like they're in there they're that they're stripped naked and everything and that was like how they killed a lot of the uh Jews. You know they they would gas them there. But it's like so they're in there and like these women are like put in like pitch black and they they've like you know heard the rumblings around the camps like like you know this is how they die. So like they're like frightened. They don't know exactly what is gonna happen. And then they actually get a shower. So it's like I think you know like doing that re receive some backlash instead of like actually showing like that this is how they killed them. So yeah like like that I I understand like maybe it's like make some people could like see it as like making light of the situation I guess. But like I think that is like a that scene kind of like hits you hard. It's like oh my gosh and like they actually were just like getting a shower.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Yeah I mean I'll I'll I kind of want to rewatch it to get a better opinion because it has been a while. I that's one of those movies that although I don't remember every scene or moment it's one that has stuck with me. I feel like I even watched it in high school like we had to get like a signed permission slip to be able to watch it in the course of like a week but definitely one of those we watched but that is a a great biopic to start with um Ricky do you have any final thoughts on Schindler's list?

SPEAKER_01 31:03

No I mean I know I've gone on forever and I could could go on like it's your favorite movie ever right? No it's like up there. But it's like I do like throw that around as like possibly one of the top ten greatest movies of all time like like like I I don't have it in there but it's like sometimes I you know go to the city it goes in sometimes comes out sure yeah no that's that's a great start um my first pick here I went with uh this one's gonna be a little bit of a lighter affair I think uh I decided to talk about Amadeus I watched Amadeus finally yeah I've that's a movie I've seen parodied I've seen clips of it I've seen so many scenes but I never actually sat down and watched the whole thing so I said I'm I'm gonna watch it because every time I see a clip from it I think it's really great.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

And then I watched it and it turns out it's incredibly great. It is so good. So for those who do not know Amadeus is the biopic based on Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Antonio Salieri. So two classical um musicians from way back when we all know who Mozart is some of us probably know who Salieri is can maybe name a few songs if they've heard him and go, oh that's who that is. Now the the movie really highlights their adversity which it turns out is not true. I I will say this movie as much as I loved it is probably the least accurate movie on my lists today. So like yeah Mozart and Salieri existed but there's a lot of fabrication to it. The driving force of the movie is essentially Mozart is you know the child prodigy is probably in his like late teens early twenties and you have Salieri who is loved by the Emperor he's very well respected but is barely uh feeling threatened because Mozart comes in and just starts kicking ass every time he touches the piano and what I love about it from a movie perspective is that it's it really is like two amazing artists kind of competing with each other on a level that nobody else can really understand. There's a scene I really love where Mozart does one of his operas and Mozart's like it's brilliant I love it I'm so good I'm great and Salieri's watching it and he's like this is the greatest fucking thing goddammit this is so good and then the Emperor yawns during it and it ruins the show like the show basically ends shortly after that like they get like nine performances and then pulled and then the emperor is like oh it's really good but too many notes and Mozart of course has like a little temper tantrum he's like no there's just as many notes as there should be no more no less and it's great because Salieri's happy Mozart lost in that moment but also Salieri knows he's still fucking better than me and no one luckily no one's seeing it in this moment but he's so much better. So it's a really cool movie because of those two dynamics F. Murray Abraham and uh Tom Holsey I assume how it's pronounced Tom Holse. Is it Holse? Okay. Both phenomenal uh F. Murray Abraham playing Salieri Tom Holse playing Mozart uh with the greatest laugh I've ever heard in a movie like it's so mocking and condescending where he's like like it's it's so I had to pull so far back from the mic for that I still peeked it. It's so funny. The the true things about it though are uh they did highlight how Amadeus was filthy in reality like in the movie like Amadeus is or Mozart is farting all the time he's like saying swears he's saying vulgar things and that is true like Mozart had like a fart diary where he would like rank and like rank his farts like I had a very stinky fart today. Beautiful 10 out of 10 like he he has a song that roughly translates to lick me in my ass and there's an amazing video of some like classically trained like prodigies of children singing that song in its native tongue and they don't know what they're saying. They're just singing this beautiful song but it's literally like children being like lick my ass clean it with your tongue like why why is this happening who signed off on this um yeah that it it's so wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

You've seen Amadeus right yeah um so I don't remember exactly when I saw it I feel like I was like if I wasn't in high school I was like just out um I had a high school film teacher he was my uh journalism teacher too um his favorite film was Amadeus um I was wondering like like how do you feel about it being historically inaccurate because I think that is like the biggest thing left like it a one another best picture winner. Yeah um I feel like that that is the some backlash against it like like w because it is very well well loved but w whenever people like talk about it you know who don't really like it that is the the whole thing. I don't mind it like I think the yeah the way it is and like I feel like it's like really cool because it kind of modernizes to like Mozart. Um so yeah I'm like dude I'm I'm sorry like like we uh couldn't get interviews with uh the actual people who like knew him and everything like like sometimes it's like come on you you can take the the the liberties and it isn't like well like Peter Schaefer Peter Schaefer wrote it who wrote it I believe so let me double check I think it's based off of play that he had written so it's the funny thing about the play um he's the one who did Equus too yes I believe I believe so yeah so so to kind of double track on what you're saying I don't really care too much about historical accuracies as long as it doesn't change too much like I despise Green Book for their rewriting.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

Yes because um yeah we're not gonna talk about Green Book because that's I fucking despise that movie. Yeah it's it's a movie that you go like oh there's some good acting in it and then you like research a little bit and you're like oh this is 1000% lies. That that movie was made to make white people feel better where I think Amadeus was definitely changed but it's more so because it wants to be a commentary on art and I think that's not as dangerous as racism isn't that big of an issue.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Like it's like the whole gone with the wind thing it's like hey slavery wasn't that bad.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

Like it could have been worse right like these guys are alright so I I did read a little bit more about Amadeus and everything about it because one of the conspiracy theories and that they kind of even touch on the movie is Salieri first says I killed Mozart and the hit the guilt within the movie is that he worked Mozart to death because he was trying to help Mozart finish up one of his final um operas and it was more so his guilt in the movie being like I'm the reason he died because I forced him to write this musical blah blah blah blah blah. And that the that never happened like that was that's you know vaguely loosely fabricated.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Yeah I think what I've like read is like um what what people like say is like Salieri and Mozart were actually like they were good friends and like they like got along like like really well and like had a lot of r respect for each other and like Salieri actually was like very successful. He was insanely famous.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Yeah yeah like even during Mozart's time Salieri's musicals and you know all of his writings were still huge even in France like that was he actually had a huge life in France as well and one thing that I found out was so Salieri did attempt suicide that is true but uh most likely it was due to the fact that he had dementia in his older age but some people uh assumed that oh it's because he killed Mozart because one of Mozart's final words were I've been poisoned. Bonesart was just saying I think I've been poisoned and people just assumed it was Salieri. Mostly because a playwright maybe five years after Salieri's death wrote a play where Salieri killed Mozart and then stuck. That that guy's the reason who I can't remember the I should have written down who wrote that play but because he wrote that play that became the basis for Peter Schaefer's script and then the movie and everything because one guy wrote a conspira by the way five years after Salieri died that's crazy. Right that that would be like if I wrote like some script that Captain O'Hara killed Betty White like just like right now. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Someone would be like what dude you can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

That like makes me think of like the whole Christopher Marlowe like Shakespeare like the conspiracy thing like yeah yeah it's it is a spectacular movie one that I would love to rewatch and I would love to do the play of that I I remember in college I had to one of our projects was to costume design it like as like if if we were doing the show we never did obviously but um we got to create the costumes for the play on the days and that was so fun. That's awesome. Yeah I I felt so bad because when I was like man I wonder why Tom didn't win best actor it's because he and F. Marie Abraham were both considered leading actors. They would not do that now. They would have probably given Tom Best Supporting just to get him the award. Although I do agree they're both leads.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

So I think they made the right call you know it's like I said the politics of it.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

You know the the Bears a comedy the Martian's a comedy I would highly recommend this movie to anyone who has any interest in kind of the more nuances of art because I really love that the movie more or less ends with Mozart kind of getting sick and dying and he's also a bit of a whore in that movie. Like he's fucking everyone in that movie which is very funny. There's the uh the amazing scene where like Salieri like tricks Mozart's wife right to like take her top off and like just like pretty much like shaming her right it's like demeaning Yeah it was just like a power move because like right she's asking Salieri for a favor Salieri's like well come back to my place tonight alone and then like she's like Alright I'll I'll fuck you for my husband's growth like I'll I'll I'll do this for my family and then as she starts getting naked he like rings the bell and he's like get this woman out of here oh my gosh it's like such a like and like I mean yeah did didn't really happen but it's like it's an incredible scene like so uncomfortable from from what I could tell like Salieri's vindictiveness was completely fabricated. Yeah uh in the movie he has a celibacy to God he he fucked all the time in fact the the woman in the the woman who sings in Mozart's opera Salieri was having sex with like he cheated on his wife like that's Christine Ebersaw I believe yeah I believe you're right yeah yeah she did a lot of Broadway things in reality cow like in in reality Salieri was married had children and then also cheated on his wife with like another person so that was also fabricated in the movie that he was this like devout celibate because he wanted to do his music but I think it's still a good ad on just because it it does highlight like this guy's obsessiveness with wanting to have this gift with music that this annoying fucking juvenile is so much better with. So from a story standpoint very fun.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

But definitely the most incorrect biopic I've ever seen yeah and I think it speaks to like how great the film is that like don't really care. It's An amazing film.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

But that's all I have to say about Amadeus right now. That's another one I could talk for hours about. Ricky, what would you like to discuss next?

SPEAKER_01 44:10

So this next one I'm kind of cheating. Okay. Because I Is it the Conjuring?

SPEAKER_03 44:20

No. We we discussed this.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

I have two films, and technically they're not biopics.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

But are they like historical dramas?

SPEAKER_01 44:30

But they are biopics. So the the the first one here is Federico Fellini's eight and a half. Which I know you you you you still haven't seen. No, haven't gotten around to it. You need to see it. Um so like what it is is eight eight and a half is the amount of films Fellini had had made to that point. So what it what it boils down to is Mar Marcello Mastroianni is playing Guido, and he's like the the the surrogate for Fellini. It's like so it's not based off anyone, but it's based off.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

But it definitely is based off of Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

It's like so he's like making this film about it's crazy because this came out in 63, and it's like so ahead of his time, and it's like con considered one of the greatest films ever made. It's in my my top ten greatest films ever made. It's an amazing film. Um and like he's making a film about the making of this film, and it's just it's so so crazy. Like like in what so it's gorgeous, there are like shots, like like um it's got gorgeous women in it, and like the just the uh cinematography and everything, another black and white cinematography. Um, but like some of the shots, like uh Barbara Steele is one of the actresses in it, and I always like like pick out this scene the uh first time you like see her, she's like wearing a uh a hat and she like lifts her her head up and like her like beauty is like so striking. Um and oh my gosh, I I just l love that a shot so much. But um so what's awesome about it is like it's giving you this behind the scenes of this of one of the greatest directors of all time and like how his mind works. So like Guido like has this uh sickness, and what the sickness is is like he has a creative block, and like it's like um so he's like trying to like re-re recover from that, and it's like there there's like fantasy in it too, um, but it's like so him like like uh remembering like his parents and everything and like you like see scenes from like his childhood and like although it's not you know said like like you know specifically it's like oh like this was like something that Fellini experienced in childhood and like this is like how he like feels about like like his parents and like his wife and the one thing I'm not positive on is like so Guido like cheats on his wife and everything and I don't know specifically if Fellini like like cheated on his wife, like like I can't re remember if that was like widely known. Um but it's like he he loves like like beautiful w women and um he's like trying to like uh cast like roles in this film and everything and it's like uh another thing the film t touches on is like the um like fame and how like what what the effect that can have on you um and like so much is like expected of you and then what do you do when like you have a creative block. Um and so yeah I mean it's just I this is another one that I could like talk about forever and ever. It's like so so fascinating. Um and yeah, so it's an Italian film. Um and I know like l like you know some people are like oh like you know I have to read the this film subtitles, uh and I mean I I was definitely, you know, like when I was younger, like like like that type of person. It's like, oh my gosh, why is this movie not in color? Like, um Where's the explosions? Yeah, yeah, it's like I have to read this, no thank you. I don't want to read a book right now. Um but but it's like oh my gosh, like like there is so much cinema out there that isn't like if you just like try it out, like like try like broadening your your horizons, I guess, like like hey, like like num like Korean cinema, Italian cinema, French cinema, it's like you might be shocked at like what you you find a lot of a lot of good movies out there from other countries. Oh my gosh, like tons and tons on. Oh yeah. And so the second movie is was made so that was 63. This one was made in 1979, and it definitely you'll you'll probably know some of this, the history b behind it. This is all that jazz by Bob Bob Fosse.

SPEAKER_03 50:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

And there are a lot of parallels with eight and a half and all all that jazz. Um did have you seen all all that jazz?

SPEAKER_03 50:15

No, I what's annoying is I own it. I have it on DVD and I just I never got to it for some reason. Because I know I'll watch it this week.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

You watched uh Fossey Verdon, right? I sure did.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

Yeah. Which was good.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Yeah, so so like you'll understand like some of this. But um I think all that jazz is even more of a biopic, like, like than eight and a half. Cause like Bob Bob Fossey is like definitely like um this is so obviously like Roy Roy Scheider plays um uh more like a Bob Fossey stand-in. Yeah, but like God, what what is his name? God I'm blanking on the name. Yeah, yeah, I'm blanking on his name. Joe Gideon? Yes, yep. Joe Joe Gideon. Um and it's like and it's Fossey. Um it's like like so obvious. So what it is is like um because like Fosse had directed the film Lenny, and there's like and uh Joe Joe Gideon is like he's editing um this film about a comedian. Like, and it's like, alright, so that is Lenny, and um God I should have watched Lenny for my biopic, damn. And uh what it what is cool is like for the film Lenny, um it's uh Dustin Hoffman playing Lenny. But for all Lenny Bruce, the comedian. But for all that jazz, he got Cliff Gorman to play like the the comedian. The Lenny Bruce stand-in. And Gorman originated the role on Broadway. So like so funny. Yeah, so like he he couldn't get him for the film because like they had to have like a bigger star. But it's like here you you go. And so in the uh film, um Joe Joe Gideon like has a heart attack um when he's trying to like mount the his new musical, and Fossey had a massive heart attack um when he was doing sh Chicago. Um so it's like there's the uh parallel there. Um and he actually had to have uh open heart surgery. Um but it's like yeah, so so Gideon's like cheating on his wife and everything, his long-suffering wife in real life. Um I don't know if they ever got divorced, Verdon and Fossey, but it's like you know, like Verdon knew that that he was like cheating on her all the time and everything. And it's like, but I mean she still loved him and like they they still like loved each other. Like I think Verdon was like with him when he died. Um which is which is another crazy thing, is like Bob Bob Bob Fossey died of like a massive heart attack, like like uh the early 80s, like like it wasn't long at after this, and um in in in the uh film, the way it ends is like uh Gideon has huge heart attacks, so he's essentially like predicting his own death, like like like two. It's like so so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

He just knew. I I'm looking at just like a screenshot of it, and the first picture is Roy Scheider uh with like a cigarette hanging out. I'm like, oh yeah, he's Bob Fosse. Yeah. Yeah, like you were dead on.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

And also w one of the awesome things is this the cinematographer is J Giuseppe R Rotuno. I'm probably pronouncing his last name wrong, but he uh he was the cinematography for some of Felini's films too. Oh jeez. So so it's like, yeah, like like he he definitely took the inspiration from eight and a half. Um but yeah, yeah, it's like you're like seeing like like some fantasies, um Gideon's having um things from like his childhood and everything, and the the the parallels with eight and a half there. Um and like this is another one that I like. Sometimes I I put it in my my ten greatest, some sometimes I I don't. Cause like and with this one, it's like I already have eight and a half in there, and it's like they're very similar um films. Um, but all that jazz is like a musical. Um so it's like, can I cheat there and have like, you know, uh a musical in there, even though they're they're very similar. But um yeah, it's another one that is like so so fascinating and like gives you the behind the the the scenes of like a director and like just Fossey was a choreographer, a dancer, a director, like he just did so much, and it's like, yeah, of course you had a heart attack, and like of course, you know, it's like he just couldn't stop. What were you expecting? Right? Like it's just and that's you know, like the price of a mad art artistic mind sometimes. It's like you know, it's like fame and just that constantly like not being able to like stop and like take a break and just always like wanting to like create and create. And yeah, so I'm I I know you'll you'll like love it. Um but yeah, it's just uh so though those two technically not biopics, but they are bio biopics. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

No, I think that's great. Yeah. Uh any final thoughts on either of those films?

SPEAKER_01 56:05

No, I mean it's like just two two other films that I love a great deal, so I could go on forever. But yeah, yeah, I'm excited for you to watch all that jazz. And you will watch eight and a half one day.

SPEAKER_03 56:19

Maybe. I hope I s I hope I watch it and then I die before I get to talk to you about it. Oh. Just so you get to know like he saw it, I'll never know his thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

That's the worst moment of my life. I don't even care that that he died. It's the fact that we couldn't talk about this. I just I just want to know his opinion so I can yell at him and say he's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

He's not dead. Bring him back just for the bigger.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

He missed the point entirely. Uh yeah, I mean we're we're already clipping through this episode, so I think I'll do one more here, because I have uh I have a surprise for you at the end of this episode.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Um so I'll I'll let you do you want a lighthearted one or a serious one?

SPEAKER_01 57:02

What was your uh your your first one was Amadeus? Amadeus. Which is a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Yeah, a little bit of both. More the art. Uh these are more uh true, real, uh politic-y and like corporate related biopics.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Give me the the years for uh both of them.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

Uh 2000 and 2024.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

2000. 2024.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Yeah. The 2024 one I'll be surprised if you get because I kind of found it by complete accident and it was based around someone I admire, so I was like, I'm watching this. Uh 2000 was a pretty big movie.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

Um let's talk about the 2024 one then.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

2024 starring the actually we mentioned her earlier in this episode, Regina King plays Shirley Chisholm. The movie is called Shirley. It was a net flip. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't think anyone really knew about this movie. Um it came out in 2024. Uh, it was written and directed by John Ridley, has Regina King, Lance Reddick, Terrence Howard in it, so pretty stacked cast. And it follows Shirley Chisholm, who uh was the first black woman elected to Congress, but this movie more so focuses on her presidential run in 1972 to go against Nixon, which I thought was kind of a cool angle to focus on because she's very well known for her um being the first black female congressman and her uh presidential run. Obviously, she did not win, she did not even get the nomination, but Shirley Chisholm, I I think I learned about her never in school, which was a shame because she's done some really, really cool shit and made a lot of fantastic progress in the country. And there's a lot of moments in the movie that I would say, when I tried to fact-check it, were pretty damn accurate. Like, there there is a moment pretty early on where uh a white congressman stops her and keeps going, like, oh, pretty crazy that you make 42.5, same as me. Like, just kind of taunting the fact that I can't believe this black woman's making the same as me to the white man.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

So we think she should make less, right? Right. Or it shouldn't even be there at all.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

Yeah. And like when that happens, I I know so many people who hate these kind of movies that would go, like, oh cool, like cliche, racist white guy. And I looked it up. That was 100% true.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

That not yeah, I mean, it's like I mean, sorry. Like it happened.

SPEAKER_03 59:41

Like this this was very true. And it wasn't just this one guy, apparently, like a lot of people were just like, Oh my god, you're making the same money as me, you black lady, like pretty messed up.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Like, so she's a double.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

I mean, I mean, she's a woman and black, like so it's I'm glad you brought that up because one of the earliest things that I found really fascinating about this movie, um, is that there's a quote that Shirley Chisholm has said that I've kind of I I think is pretty prolific and still holds up in a lot of ways, where she talked about how she f um, I'll try to quote it exactly here. I met far more discrimination being a woman than being black when I moved out into the political arena. And I've actually read stories that most of the people that kind of insulted her were actually black men.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

I the I I thought that is where you were going with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

Yeah, and and so I I think that's also still pretty relevant, seeing as we've had, you know, some pretty experienced women run for office and then just, you know, not even come close. You know, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. I won't name names, but you know who I'm talking about. Um and Regina King is fantastic in it. I I also just love her and everything. Yeah. Um my original poll for her, of course, is the Boondocks. Which is so amazing. It's an amazing show. But it's it's hard to talk about this movie because it is very political heavy, and it's from what I could tell, insanely accurate. So the main thing I really want to focus on was the fact that she ran for president pretty early on in her career, which was wild, and was running into opposition right away of people saying, You're not gonna win, you're just gonna split the votes that should go to other people, and we need to defeat Nixon, so stop trying to break up the party. That that's which you know, to make another modern correlation. I feel like we heard the same thing when anyone like Bernie Sanders left wing would try to run and was getting votes and saying, No, no, you're taking votes away from you know Biden and Hillary and all these um, you know, establishment Democrats.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

You're you're doing more harm to our cause.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

How dare you run, you're you're gonna ruin everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

And what was very fascinating was she she actually did a pretty good job. This the year that she ran was w uh the first year that 18-year-olds were able to vote in the election. And so she targeted young people to say, we need if they can vote, we have to make sure that they do and that they matter. And so she did a great job targeting them, and then actually when it came to the official uh first ballots, so when they do like the primaries for those who don't know American politics, before you pick like the winner, think of it like the Super Bowl or like the NFC, you know, the Super Bowl, you have to like get the winner of the NFC first before they can go to the final match. And same thing with politics, that you have to win a certain amount of votes and all these primary elections before you're the person on the ticket. And she was doing really well and then actually got a deal with two other people that were dropping out though that said, we'll give you our delegates, which means that we will not have a winner on the first ballot, which means you'll basically be able to keep trying to run and get more voters. And the last second, they pulled their delegates and gave it to the other guy, George McGovern. And so she they George McGovern got the Democratic nomination, and uh, as you know, um, due to all the George McGovern staff issues we have everywhere, he won all of his presidential elections. No, he got his ass kicked. Yeah, the GOAT. Uh he, of course, got his ass absolutely handed to him by Nixon in the 72 election. And all that stuff was true. Like it it is pretty impressive that she was such a fucking powerful and confident woman. Like, you can go watch interviews, and I highly recommend you do, and you just go, God damn, she is she knows what she's about. Um and then there's one more thing I wanted to say. Oh, one really cool thing. So, uh, because she was, of course, a black woman, they would not let her appear on TV. She she met all the qualifications to be at these debates, and they wouldn't let her on. And they sued like ABC and like the television networks, and they won. They actually won the lawsuit, which then basically make it made it so that she had to be involved in all the other debates, and to make it up for her, they gave her like a one-on-one interview, so no other people got to interfere. So, like it's like shit like that, where you go, you know, oh, that was that's a thousand years ago. This was the 70s, and we still weren't allowing black women to talk. That and they were a presidential candidate, and they were gaining ground, and they wouldn't be like, nope, not interested. So it's and I I'm doing such an injustice to her and her legacy right now, because I'm trying to speed through everything, but it it really was a a pretty fantastic inspirational film and very accurate. I I would say it it is very by the numbers in terms of like how because it does stick one-to-one pretty well to her life, but it's not as like dramaticized the way Amadeus is, so I can see some people maybe being like, I'm not as interesting because it's not as fantasy, but I think it's important to know who this person is. And that's why I wanted to watch it and just fucking talk giddily about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

Yeah, so um I was l l looking it up. It has a 75% on Rotten Tomatoes, so I mean, got good or reviews. It has a 6.2 on IMDB. Mm-hmm. And what's the Metacritic score?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:46

Have you seen that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

No. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

Uh I think I I don't know if I could pull it up now. I think Metacritic had it at like a 43. And yeah, it's it's so it's very spread out across, and it it does make you wonder. Oh no, it's a 57, a 57 on Metacritic. Um, but that's still not great.

unknown 1:06:05

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:06

But it does make you realize, and I I hate to always just be like, oh, fucking these people, but like you look at IMDb, you can find IMDB's breakdown, and it's like a bunch of white guys that are from like ages like 18 to like 34, and you're like, ah, that's why.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

Not the audience for one. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

It's like there's definitely a lot of people that when they see a woman or a black person or someone that's the lead, that they just assume, oh, it's gonna be these movies like just bashing white people, and I'm not gonna listen to that. And it I don't think this movie does that. I don't think it just goes, white people suck, white people suck. She actually like has like white people on her staff that did support her quite well in real life. She talks about how um there's a great line in the movie, she goes, you know, if I can win white boys, why can't I win the presidency? Because she talks about how she would go to these colleges and white boys would come up to her and be like, You're really inspirational. And so it's it's not like an anti-white movie, which I know a lot of times these movies get kind of lumped into because people on the internet fucking suck. But yeah, I I would highly recommend it. It's it's very good, especially if you like politics in general, or just want to know who Shirley Chisholm is, this is a great way to kind of open that door before you do your own studying into her.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:26

And we have to say that uh John Ridley, the writer of uh Twelve Years a Slave, which won him the Oscar, and Undercover Brother. I love Undercover Brothers. I I have not seen it in a very long time. I love that was almost in our uh movies that that don't hold up list, because I was like, I wonder if this still holds up.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

I I'm sure it absolutely does not, but I remember my the only thing I really remember about Undercover Brother is trying to make him uh eat like a mayonnaise sandwich. Oh be like, that tastes good. Like he's doing like the you know, black guy doing the white guy voice. It's very funny. Um but yeah, I mean I think that might be all the time we have to go into too many movies, unfortunately. We've we've uh there's there's so many biopics we can talk about. There's a lot of biopics I realized that were biopics later. Like I've seen Cinderella Man a few times and I kind of forgot, like, oh yeah, that was a based on a true story.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

Like, what was your 2000s?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

Uh my 2000 was Aaron Brockovich. I watched that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Still have never seen it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

Uh I'll leave you with just this. Uh at one point, Aaron uh Julia Roberts says to another character, oh fuck my ass, Krispy Kreme. Which so now you have to go watch that movie. Yeah. It's pretty good. Uh one also pretty accurate from what I could tell.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Yeah, one that I had thought of was Oppenheimer.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

Yeah, pretty recently. Yeah, duh. Yeah. I like Oppenheimer. It's the one Christopher Nolan movie I enjoyed.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

Right, that is why I wanted to talk about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

You know what? Maybe that'll be an episode we do later, is movies that like everyone loves that you don't love. Because I I'll gladly talk about Christopher Nolan. Yeah. Um, but before we go, Ricky, you inspired me.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

And I would like to give you a blind power rankings.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:27

Okay. Ricky, this is a blind power rankings, because we're talking biopics. I want to know which historical figure you would want to have dinner with. In this scenario, they speak your language, you'll understand each other. Hell, you can even pick the restaurant. Okay. So starting off.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:45

How many do I have?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

There'll be seven. Seven. Seven spots. Abraham Lincoln. Tall motherfucker. Um that's what you'll say to him. Like, oh man, you're telling me.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

You tall as hell.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Um God, this is gonna be bad. I'm gonna go with three. Three?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

No, that's that's respectable for Lincoln.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

He made some real mistakes early. Uh Joan of Ark, I thought would be a fun one. Ooh. Did a lot of fighting, killed a lot of men, burned at the stake.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:27

She was like fairly young when uh killed her. Um I don't know, but yeah, like she's a fascinating figure.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:39

She was 19.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

You can show her TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

Oh god, I I don't even know the tikkie-tuckies. The tikkie tuckies. I'm gonna have to go five. Five or Joan.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:53

Alright. Talk about a burn.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:56

Oh. Too soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:00

Napoleon Bonaparte.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:02

Oh. Damn it. That's a good one. I like all shorty.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:10

And uh um, fun fact, Napoleon was average height at the time at 5'7.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

So he's our height.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:18

I'm taller than five seven, I didn't know short king. Yeah, I mean I'm 5'8. I'm 5'10.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Are you really? Yeah. You've like grown some.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

I know, I'm a big boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Uh okay, so I'm gonna have to go. That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

Only done three and five so far.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

I'm gonna have to go four. I feel like Lincoln would take it over him.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:50

Let's go with uh Cleopatra.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

Damn, she fine as hell. Um and you know she fucked.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

I think uh Nick Offerman was just asked smasher pass on Cleopatra, and he said pass, and he's like, she's been through too much.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

God, this is gonna Oh, this is really tough. I have screwed this up. I'm gonna go six.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

Six for Cleo? Okay. Yeah. I'll give you someone a bit more modern. Uh I threw Lucille Ball in here. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:32

That is a good one. Comedy icon. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go two on Lucy. So one and seven.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

One and seven. Alright. I I think I know where this one will probably land. Uh Rosa Parks. Obviously, a cultural icon famously did not get off the bus.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:01

It was the last one.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

I know. I I won't fault you if you say seven on this one. This is a tough list.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:14

I have to go seven, cause like I can't. I feel like I should have gone one for Lucy. Um, but yeah, seven cuz clearly I'm a huge racist.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:28

You know, that was like I was like, what the hell is wrong with you, man? Not even ten episodes in, and the show has gotten canceled. Oh man. Oh no. Normally people wait until they have like sponsors before they go read.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Like, yeah, just give it to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:50

Number one, Polychar.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:57

Did you really let me get that one?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:01

That was not me doing the bit I wrote that in. Oh god, man. So you meant I mean, no, I get it. You you love biodome more than you love civil rights. That's fine. I mean, that's an opinion to have. I don't think I don't agree with that. I think civil rights is so much better than biodome. I would never have done this bullshit, but so just just to recap for the audience, yeah, the people you would love to have dinner with, all the historical figure icons. Number seven, Rosa Parks, number six, Cleopatra, number five, Joan of Arc. All the women at the bottom, very fascinating. Uh number four, Napoleon. Number three, Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. Number two, you did put Lucille Ballett, number two. That's respectable.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:44

Lucille.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:44

But obviously, none of these people are as important to you as Polly Shore. It's fascinating. Real really grasping at straws here.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

At least I'm not the worst person of all time. I was I thought you were gonna have Hitler on there, and it's like I actually would be fascinated to like have I have some things to say to that guy. Yeah, like like we would have like, like, so why are you the worst person ever? Like you suck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:25

Oh damn. So that that's quite the power list there, Ricky.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

I I thought about doing it. I was gonna like be like um historical figures that you would like to have. Like well, that that was like a a question that like maybe we can like start the next episode with. It's like a historical figure you would love to have a biopic made of.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

So I I was actually thinking about that. I do have an answer for that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Uh we we wanna like, if we have time, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:58

Yeah, we'll we'll do it real fast if you have one. I I've always liked Alexander the Great. I think there is a movie about him, but I don't think it's the wonderful Oliver Stone film. Yeah, the yeah, I was gonna say that it's not really well received. So I would like a good movie about Alexander the Great.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:15

Yeah. Um that I like just thought of maybe. Oh, Steven Sondheim would be an amazing movie. That would like he didn't die like like that that long ago. No, just a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:30

But yeah, like that's legitimately a great answer.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Yeah, that that would be because like his musicals are like just so well loved and like they're like so like topic-wise. They're like all over the place.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:44

Yeah, I'm gonna change my answer to Sondheim, so you have to come up with a new one. No. So you've already screwed me over. And with that, this was another fantastic fun time, Ricky. Thank you all for listening to another episode of a mostly film podcast. I've been Brandon. With me as always is Ricky. Now please go watch some movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:07

Bye.