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Ricky and Brandon have their first episode outside the Mostly Film format. Today, they dive into their love for the WNBA and debate how the new season will play out. 

SPEAKER_02

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a Motley Film Podcast. We are the spectators of sports, the lovers of layups, and the digesters of dunking. I am Brandon, and with me, as always, is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?

SPEAKER_00

I'm uh doing pretty well. Um this is uh This is our first episode that um is mostly not about film.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I that's correct. This is our first non-film-centric episode. We are, of course, a mostly film podcast, and today we have our first episode. Outside of that, mostly. Ricky, what are we talking about today?

SPEAKER_00

We talking about sports ball.

SPEAKER_02

Sports ball in particular. Which sport? Which ball?

SPEAKER_00

The WNBA.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. The WNBA season is starting May 8th. By the time that you are listening to this, it'll be May 4th, so you'll be just in time to get all the information you need to get ready for the WNBA season. Ricky, I wanted to start with you, since this is definitely in your wheelhouse. How long have you been watching uh the NBA? How long have you have you been watching the WNBA? Why did you start watching the WNBA? I want to know about your your path into this. Do you do you even remember a time?

SPEAKER_00

So um I kinda started getting into sports. So this is like the league's thirtieth season coming up. I'm pretty sure it like they might have like founded it in ninety-six, but I think it didn't start until ninety-seven. But like I had just started getting into like basketball and uh baseball, I guess, and football more. Um and I actually think like I remember watching some of like the first season. Um and it was like I guess I found it cool 'cause it was like this new thing, and it's like, wow, you know, like I'm here from the beginning and like I was like very young and um Yeah, you had to have been a child you were like single digits probably, right? Yeah, I was like six or seven, I guess. Um and like I I didn't, you know, grasp the the whole like like women are actually getting their own like basketball league. I was just like You just saw the sport to you as just a thing. This is cool. Um and then like I just I didn't keep up with it because like, you know, sadly I mean it wasn't as promoted, I guess, as you know, the the uh the the the men's sports. So it was like when I was getting in, you know, it was the NBA and the NFL and MLB. Um those were all more accessible, so I just kinda gravitated there. And then I mean I just I w I I won't say I fur forgot about it, but I just kinda like fell off, and then I will we'll say I was like, you know, one of those the ignorant people who was like, yeah, you know, like g going along w with the Amasas, like, oh, this is such a joke, you know, like they aren't as good as like the uh men and whatever. And then like I don't really know why, but like right before the pandemic, I guess, maybe the 2019 season or 18 around there, I got back into it, and I don't r remember what really got me back into it, but um Yeah, I do remember you texting me quite a bit or probably around that time frame, saying that you were starting to watch games again and how much you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02

And I I I'm only new to basketball in general, maybe in the past five years, where I started the W NBA first, and then I started the NBA. So I've technically been a W NBA fan longer than my NBA tenure, but it's all like still in like that fresh like three to five years, somewhere around that mark.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but who's your team? My my my main team is the the fever. Um that's right. I could have sworn you were also a big Sparks fan, right? Um see like with the WNBA because it's like smaller, and like this is like part of why like I I enjoy it is cause like it's a lot easier to like follow for for for me, I think. Um But I mean I'm definitely glad that it's growing and everything, and you know, the uh downside to it being smaller is there aren't as many like um you know roster spots and everything things we can get into. But um yeah, like like there aren't like any teams that I really dislike, like I have jerseys and memorabilia from like multiple teams and everything. Um But yeah, like like I've kind of like settled on the uh the fever the most, I guess. Was that because of Caitlin Clark or just because actually a little bef a couple seasons be before Caitlin. Um I was into like um Kelsey Mitchell and like they had Alana Smith go over there and like Alana Smith's been one of my favorite players for a while. Like her her draft year was like the first year that I was like super into it. That was the draft that Nafisa Collier came in and Sophie Cunningham and um so yeah, I just like they they had a good history, but like they were like just like so bad, and it was like they like kept like getting these uh early draft picks, and I was like, oh, you know, this is exciting to like see what they do.

SPEAKER_02

And they like it's kind of fun to root for a team that hasn't won anything and gets to maybe build up their future.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then like like they weren't really doing anything, and then they got Aliyah Boston, and then you know, things are kind of picking up, and then Caitlin came in, and then that just kind of like skyrocketed everything.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah. Well, before we get into the actual season, I kind of want to talk about some of the news surrounding the WNBA, some of the big headlines that I think are fun to discuss. As you mentioned, that the league is getting bigger. We have two brand new teams this year, the Portland Fire and the Toronto Tempo. And I believe by the end of 2030, which is somehow only four years away, don't like that, uh, we we'll be getting uh teams with Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. So the league will have 18 teams pretty soon, which is great. And I think that is gonna show as you said, those roster spots are gonna be available, and we're gonna see a lot more players come in. Um I mean they pull players from all over the world. Australia is a big one. Australia, France, China, like they they get a lot of players that come over here and play.

SPEAKER_00

The uh the the thing, like, because like how it's always been is like they can make more money usually overseas. But like, you know, when uh Fee and Breonna Stewart started unrivaled, like that was giving them an opportunity to like play here in the States instead of having to go overseas. And like now with the new CBA, these foreign players um are actually like, hey, we we we're we're gonna go ahead and go over, um, and like we can make more money. Like um, I think Carla Late, she was drafted by the fire in the expansion, and she's a French player, and um she like told her team, like, yeah, I want to come over and like and like the uh teams are kind of like you know, the uh the the the big foreign clubs are like kind of upset because like they're losing their players, but yeah, but I mean let's let's talk about the CBA.

SPEAKER_02

So that was another huge story. So for those who do not know, these teams and players they got paid. There's a seven-year deal, it's gonna run through 2032. Uh, for those who do not know, the lot of the players were kind of protesting this past year constantly with their slogan of uh pay us what you owe us. WNBA has gotten the most viewership it's ever received, and these players were making less than six figures overall. Like that I think the average, I think I had it here. So the average was $147,000 a year. Most of them were not making six figures. So now with this new deal, the average salary is going to be five hundred and eighty-three thousand. Uh, these players are now making at least six figures, some are making seven figures, and it's going to be increasing as the years go on. I believe right now the max salary is 1.4 million, projected to be 2.4 in just a few years. So huge. And the minimum salary right now, the lowest I think I found was 270,000. So to go from being a player who maybe is like a deep depth chart player, maybe even just in training, like on the training squads, they were probably making at most 60k, maybe, and now they're gonna be making a minimum of 270. So this is a huge, huge win for the WNBA to actually you know get paid and not have to be playing year round, like you said, going from league to league to league to league.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's it's huge, it's fantastic for the sport.

SPEAKER_00

Um Yeah, I'm kind of wondering. Like, I've never really l looked into this, but like, 'cause like they'll be on like they'll they'll get signed to training camp contracts. So so I guess for the training camp contracts that money's like gonna be guaranteed. Cause like a lot of those training camp contracts, those are the players that they like drop before the season starts. Right. So I guess maybe I I don't know if that would be like the what did you say to 240,000?

SPEAKER_02

Um yeah, the 270. Maybe the training people may not be making all of that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, maybe they're making a little less.

SPEAKER_02

But but if they make the team, they're making two seventy as opposed to like the 40 or 60k that they were making.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That is the huge the the whole downside still. That is like getting a little cleaned up with um, you know, the more teams. But it's still like like there's a lot of women who wanna wanna play in just not enough spots.

SPEAKER_02

Um Yeah, I mean that's what makes this league really tough is because as of right now there are only fifteen teams, and I I mean I'm curious what the average career is, if it's like other leagues where the average like you look at the NFL, I think the average career is like two and a half years there.

SPEAKER_00

One thing I will say that I've noticed more than any other league is like these players, um, Carly Samuelson's one. She was like drafted and she was like just going, she was getting cut by like all these teams and everything. Um and like she was like a hard chip, and she just played for all these different teams, and then she gets signed by one, and then she's like getting more and more minutes, and like she's actually showing out. So like now um she's on the affire. I don't know if they just signed her or or if she got picked in the the expansion draft, but it's like you you can be like you know, having a tough go for a while before you really make it. Um like I noticed that more than any other league. It's like because a lot of other leagues, it's like, alright, you know, you're you're one and done. Um but here it's like like if you have the work ethic and you're just willing to put in, you might actually get in the right s situation where um you can become a star. Alana Smith was kind of like that too.

SPEAKER_02

Um my god, I love her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like like because she was like kind of moving up, and then Minnesota was like her big, big breakout.

SPEAKER_02

Um Yeah, speaking from uh uh so I'm a Minnesota Lynx fan, and I'm I'm looking at the season a little hesitant. It's I'm not oh it's gonna be rough, but yeah, we we lost quite a few people. We'll go more into that later, but Alana Smith was a big one who went to Dallas, and I think that's a huge, huge pickup for the wings. I think that's gonna make them. I I don't know if it'll be a major threat this year, but uh something I wanted to talk about earlier later is what are some of the lower teams that you think maybe made the best picks. I mean, we can actually start with that now. Why why not? It's our show, we can do whatever we want. Because that was one thing that I was looking into that I was researching. So the some of the teams that did not make the playoffs this past year were the LA Sparks, Washington Mystics, the Connecticut Sun, Chicago Sky, and Dallas Wings. Ricky, out of those teams, do you have any thoughts on who probably made the best moves? And if not, I can I'll be more than happy to say mine first if you need a moment to think about it.

SPEAKER_00

Um I think so I have the Sky Wings and the Sparks all making the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02

You think Sky got better?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Um So the Sky traded Angel Reese away to Atlanta.

SPEAKER_00

And w when that happened, I was like, oh, they are screwed. They are the the worst franchise, they are like dumb. Because like the trade just like they didn't get much, and then they like just started signing all these players, and I was like, alright, yeah, I think they'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02

You know, it's funny because at first I I wrote the Chicago, like in my gut, I had them being the worst team, and then as I looked into it, I was like, okay, they got um Carrington from the Lynx, who only played like uh uh a little bit for them. She was kind of injury, but um Rake Jackson and Skyler Diggins from the Sparks and the Storm, respectively. I mean, those are great players and they are to bolster a good team.

SPEAKER_00

Azurae Stevens, who's very good as well. Um and I think she's like hurt right now, maybe. But um, and they still have Courtney Vandersloot, who uh I I don't know, maybe this will be her her last year. I mean she doesn't really have anything else to prove. Um but yeah, she just, you know, because like she like tore her ACL, I think, last year, and it was like, you know, that isn't how you want to go out, so um. But yeah, like like they just they made a lot of moves that I was like, okay. Um and I have them as the eighth seed. Um, I actually have Dallas as the seven. So um I think Dallas will be a little better.

SPEAKER_02

I I think Dallas is who I said would make the biggest jump. Uh, when I was looking through the teams. I I thought Dallas made some incredible signings and some smart picks. So, one, they of course they'll have Paige, that's gonna be their superstar for a while, but they signed Alana Smith and Jessica Shepard both from the links. Uh, Jessica Shepard was more of a depth player, but both are very good rebounders, which is something Dallas, when I was looking at it, they were lacking in the rebound department. Uh they re-signed Arike, which that is probably the smartest thing they could have done, because Arike is going to be a menace. I believe she's the lead scorer on their team with 15.5 points per game compared to some of the other players on there. And one pig, I'm curious about your thought of this. Uh, they picked up Odyssey uh Odyssey Sims from Indiana.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

And when I was looking into Odyssey, because I wasn't super familiar with her game necessarily, she seems like a very good player. Is she a starting player to you or is she a depth player?

SPEAKER_00

She's Um She's a a great like backup. Like, um, whenever like so like she's like been on some of those hardship con contracts and her thing, and I feel like she's had like things going on in like her personal life or whatever. Um but like whenever she would like get signed and like play, she was always like just going off. Um she did it with like the uh sparks, she did it with the um the fever, like yeah, I mean she's just like if you get her, she's probably gonna go off. Um if she's gonna be like, Oh, you're experienced.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's kind of nice to have.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, she's she's been around for a while.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm looking at the wings roster, and the only people who've been in the league really more than five years on this team. There's not many of them. Uh only uh uh Odyssey and Alicia Clark have.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, I forgot they got Alicia Clark.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, both both have at least over ten years, but most on people on this team, it's a young team. So I think it's actually kind of nice they've added some people, some really good experience, if anything, just to be influences on some of these very, very young players.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think like you were talking about Arique. I don't I don't know if um Arike might this might be her last year in Dallas. I think they just gave her like a one year maybe. I believe so. Um and it's like Arike's always one of those who like she can score, but it's like her shooting percentage is just so bad, because like there are like some games that I'll just watch where like it's just like she has free free reign to uh shoot and like some games it just takes her a while to like get going. But it's like she she has that ability, so it's like I mean you kind of have to just let her, but now that they have Paige, I think Paige is gonna be like you know, the number one, and I think she's gonna this is gonna be her like big coming out year. I mean, she won rookie of the year last year, but like I think she's really gonna take it to another level this year.

SPEAKER_02

No, it's it's funny what you said about Arique, because I feel like uh Courtney Williams, who did get re-signed with the Minnesota Lynx, uh, she's very similar where she can have these cold as ice shots. I will always reference her four-point play against the Liberty in the finals uh two years ago, where she clutches a three, gets fouled, and sinks the four, like the and one, to just tie the game up with just a few seconds left. Like, I mean, cold as ice. But then in that same series, she'll have those runs where you just go, Oh, you just can't make anything, and she's trying. And then you kind of go, like, should she start passing more? Should what is she just trying to find her rhythm? But then she just misses it after missing, and it could just be heartbreaking and brutal. But I mean that that happens in any sport. Sometimes you can just go cold, but man, when you go cold at the worst time, it sucks.

SPEAKER_00

I was watching some of their their preseason, and like um she she made a basket, and it's like just like the way she like shoots sometimes. I'm like, she's got a hell of a shot. Like you know, it's just like kind of off balance and like it's just pretty to uh watch.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah. But yeah, like it if you had um Dallas and uh Chicago making the playoffs, who's your bottom team right now?

SPEAKER_00

Alright, so there's eight teams in, right? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yes, seven are out. Um so my nine seed is the tempo. I actually think they're that they're gonna be fairly good.

SPEAKER_02

I g I guess I we should ask that really quickly uh before we get any further. Do you have the tempo better than the fire? I do. I do as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I also wrote tempo, even though my my girl Bridget Carleton went to the fire, I think uh with uh Marina Mabry, uh Brittany Sykes going to the tempo. I mean uh who else? There's someone else. Uh uh Niara uh Sabaly on the Liberty. Yeah. Sabaly. Thank you, Saboli. Uh went there. I mean, Tempo looks good. I mean, fire have uh Nika Mule, but uh she's been injured, injured, injured, so like that's a big what if.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, um so I have the fire as the worst team. Yeah, fire's the worst. Oof. Yeah. Like like I I think it's gonna be very hard to to like out awful the A fire. And it's funny because like the the fire has some of my favorite players. Like um I'm excited um what the fire did but it's like yeah it's gonna be rough and like cause I've been like following them and like even the uh players are like we know it's gonna be rough like like um but uh like I I was watching their preseason game w with the A storm and there were sixty-one fouls in i in that game. Oh my lord uh there were eighty-three foul shots. Um like and like the the fire like their transition defense was just so bad, like like they were like just looking lost. Um but I mean it's like that's like all these people like like because like there were like people like criticizing like what they did and everything and it's like I mean I think they have a plan. Right. Like they're like doing this, you know, they want um I think you know they want either Juju or Hannah Hidalgo or Madison Booker, one of the top three in next year's draft, and likely they're going to get that. But it's like, you know, I think the Valkyries kind of like set a standard that um people are like, oh well the Valkyries, you know, made the playoffs and everything, and it's like you know, that's not in any sport that that that's not very common for an expansion team.

SPEAKER_02

It's I mean, just look at hockey. You have uh um the first year the Golden Knights existed, they made the playoffs, and then I believe they won the Stanley Cup uh a couple years later, didn't they? Am I right? Yeah. And then this year you have Utah, who I believe is a brand new.

SPEAKER_00

I guess technically they were Arizona Coyotes, but they weren't a new, they uh just they just left. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02

That's true, that's true. You got me there. Um well we we talked about some bottom teams. You said the fire. Yeah, fire is probably a good choice. I I'm a little worried about the sun. Yeah, so I have Which is a shame.

SPEAKER_00

I have the Fire, Sun, Mystics, and Storm, like all kind of like together in like the bottom. They're all kind of like similar.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I yeah, it's I I'm very worried about the storm myself, too. I mean, I mean, I'm very worried about the Lynx. I think they'll still make the playoffs, but like I think they'll fall. But yeah, the Sun was the big one. I mean, I guess what's a real bummer is that the Sun, of course, is going to be uh getting moved over to Houston, so they're gonna bring back uh the old uh Houston Comets team that disappeared in 2008, and Connecticut is going to move back or move to Houston. So I feel bad for the fans of Connecticut because man, they had some huge support. But the thing I'm worried about with the sun is honestly losing Marina Mabry was bad. Yeah, they added Britney Griner, but I mean, has Grinder really been a factor for a lot of teams rate lately?

SPEAKER_00

Like it's if when I was watching some of the the preseason, I was like, okay, you know, she can still do her her thing. But it's like she she's one of those like it was just like I mean Tarasi, like like she she could have re-retired, you know, be before she she did. It's like Griner, you know, doesn't really have anything else to to prove. And I mean her whole thing is just like her her knees are just getting worse and worse. Um But you know, I mean I'm I'm hoping that she kind of did it, because like this is a fairly young team, um, to like try and like go here and kind of be a mentor. Um, because like they have some some players I I I like. Anissa Moro um was a rookie last year from LSU. Um Leila La Lacan, I think she's uh I don't know where she's from. I feel like French, but I could be wrong. Not sure. She's like a young guard. They they have they have Aliyah Edwards who was drafted by the Mystics. Um they have these young players. But yeah, it's just one of those things like all these teams that I have at uh the up the the bottom, they're just so young. And like I think they have bright futures, but um it's just tough when you don't really have a star or like a vet to like carry.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that that seems to be the biggest issue when I was kind of going through all these teams to see their drops, their ads, their uh rookie signings. There are some that are just incredible and some that just hurt. So going back to Seattle, as you mentioned, you had them as kind of a lower team. I mean, uh they lost uh Neka uh Oamike, and she's an absolute killer.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, Neka Gumake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um she was uh yeah, she went back to the Sparks. That was like like part of why. That's a killer. I uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then also losing Britney Sykes to the tempo.

SPEAKER_00

So Oh yeah, I forgot she had gone to the sparks.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's two massive losses for the storm. Yeah, another big one. Yeah. And Gabby Williams, too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they they just pretty much like got rid of everybody.

SPEAKER_02

They cleaned house. Yeah. Now they they did get uh Heidemann from the Lynx, who was one of our depth players, and she's very good, but I I mean you're taking someone from the bench to be your new I mean, she's gonna start. I don't think she's gonna be a bench player, she's gonna be a starting line. And Seattle Storm finished 23-21 last year. They did get to the playoffs, and then actually put up a fight against the Aces, but still lost, you know, 2-1 in the series. So they they seem to have that grit where even even though last year they were kind of almost a 500 record, they still took the champs, uh, you know, had to make them play. So I I almost don't want to count them out, but they did not really do themselves a lot of favors, added Stephanie Dulson from the Washington Mystics at center. I think that's a great pickup. Um, and then they re-signed some of their other big names, but yeah, I don't think they have like a massive, massive, massive name on their team. I'm hoping that their two first round picks, their rookies might click.

SPEAKER_00

That's is that what you're thinking? The uh key there. They were very smart because they're not gonna compete this year, but getting fam, and if fam is as good as everybody says, like someone that I listened to said that they got all the trees, because you know, they they got fam, they got Magbagor who who's hurt right right now. Yeah. But they also got Malonga, who's, you know, I think she's gonna be she she keeps growing. I think I don't know if she's only nineteen now, um, but like she's gonna keep getting better. Um and then Flauge Johnson, who I was I was kinda worried because like she's very into to music, you know, and she has like like um I she she has a career in music that um she cares a lot about, so I was like, oh, is she really serious about basketball? But I think she is, because I mean she's been showing out so far in the preseason. So I mean I think she'll like be able to do both. I mean uh but yeah, I mean her, fam, Malonga, and then if they have an early pick in next year's draft, it's like, oh my gosh, like this team's gonna be scary again very quickly. Like, so I think they were very smart.

SPEAKER_02

Who I I mean, I guess we probably should start off uh now talking about the Las Vegas Aces. I mean, would you call this a dynasty of three championships in four years?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Kind of hardly not say. So, like, it was funny last year. I was like, well, how the mighty have fallen, like, you know, they're a done, and then they just I don't remember how many in a row they won it to end the season. Was it like 16 or something?

SPEAKER_02

16 wins in a row. Yeah, their last that's how I knew I was like, oh, this this season's done. Because like, yeah, even before they won their yeah, when they they finished 30 and 14, their last 16 games they won. So like they were looking like, yeah, they'll probably make the playoffs, but you know, early first round exit, if they're lucky, maybe if they're lucky, they'll get to a second one. Yeah. And then they just I I mean, we have to talk about her. Asia Wilson, is she your is she the goat? That's a better question for you, because I I'm only pretty new to this uh to this sport. I mean, she's clearly the best person in the league right now, but do you think she's the best to ever do it? Does she beat Tarasi? Does she beat Maya Moore to you? Does she where does she rank?

SPEAKER_00

So I have trouble like labeling someone as a goat who's like still playing. Yeah, I mean she's still playing, she's still young, and like Brady with the NFL, that that took me a while, and then I was like, alright, I know he's clearly the uh the uh goat. But like I I think she will be. Um like I mean she's got what three or four MVPs already lately.

SPEAKER_02

Four MVPs, three defensive player of the year awards. Uh her MVPs came in 20, 22, 24, and 25. Defensive player of the year 22, 23, and 25. Uh averages 23.4 points per game, 10.2 rebounds per game. What I I mean, and she's the highest paid player. Uh, she got the three-year, five million dollar contract. So Bega said, we're not letting you go. We're gonna lock you up and make sure you stay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think what it was, cause like Aaliyah's cause Asia got hers, and then Aaliyah got hers, but I think like cause Aaliyah's is longer, like they like average out to like the same amount or like something. Um But yeah, it's like she's just a freak.

SPEAKER_02

Like um, oh yeah, Leah Boston's uh four years, 6.3 million.

SPEAKER_00

You know, she's like uh she she she's dating uh Bam Atabay who who plays for the Heat.

SPEAKER_02

Oh that's funny.

SPEAKER_00

And after he had like his 80-something point game, yeah, I was like, well, Beja's gonna one up him now. Here comes her like 90 point game here. It's like Yeah, I mean I I see it easily her being the uh goat when all is said and done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, what's interesting looking at their offseason moves, they didn't do a lot. It seems like all they really wanted to do was sign the players that have been in this organization. So Chelsea Gray, Jules Lloyd, like they they gave them three-year contracts, and they've you know been with them for a few years now, won multiple championships with them. I think the only big move I saw was they signed Jackie Young from the ACE, or sorry, um uh not from the ACES. That was another person they locked up was Jackie Young just for one year, but again, another person that they've drafted like that, they just they're holding on to their team, their core. And you would think after a certain point that's not going to work, but it still keeps working. And is it do you think it's just great coaching? Do you think it's that Asia Wilson is so good that she makes everyone else good? Do you think their players are just that that whole team is strong? What what is it about the aces that consistently dominates this league right now?

SPEAKER_00

I think um it's a little bit of all of it, but I think when Asia's out, it's a struggle. Um for for sure. Especially like with her being like the main big there. Um, because like Gray, Young, and Lloyd, they're all guards.

SPEAKER_02

Um they lost Kia Stokes, that was a a probably a big loss for them. Their center went to the Golden State uh Valkyries. But maybe more of a depth piece. Yeah, Asia.

SPEAKER_00

She was j just like depth, but um Asia's just the the heart and soul of that, and I mean she is the best player in the league, so I mean if she goes down, they're in trouble. Um as much as I would love it to be Collier, I I can't deny that Asia Wilson is just so B B before they went on their run, I was like, alright, Fee's got this, and then I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, when you win 16 straight and then win the championship, it's just like it's have you ever played like a like a sports video game and you're like losing, so you're like, I'm gonna put the difficulty on the easiest mode and just destroy. That's what it felt like. Yeah, it felt like they just switched the difficulty down and were like, great, I just went on a 16-game win streak. I'm so good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02

Um Do you think anyone can challenge them? I actually have the aces at number two. Who's your number one? We might have the same one. The Liberty. That's who I have. Yeah. I hate to say it, but man, did they make some great moves.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, they probably have the best bench in the league.

SPEAKER_02

Um getting Satu. Yeah, like the Mercury. Wha how?

SPEAKER_00

That was just It's kind of crazy because like her her sister leaves and then she like takes her her spot. Very funny. But yeah, like and they also got Rebecca Allen back, I think, which is a huge like uh depth signing. Um but yeah, it's like the idea of John Quill, Stewie, Sabrina, and Satu. It's like that's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02

It's yeah, it's so I I was looking at kind of their team as a whole and kind of their points per games and rebounds, and with SATU, her points per game is uh this last year was 16.3, so very, very good, and it's still behind Sabrina and Brianna. So if your third best player is doing 16.3, that's gonna be a brutal offense to go against. Not to mention that she's also a pretty good rebounder, uh, roughly getting about six rebounds a game as well, uh, just behind uh John Quell and Brianna Stewart there. So I I just don't know who fights up against them right now. Like they really made some great.

SPEAKER_00

I have the aces at uh two. Um but yeah, it's like and s Satus, like I think she's still hurt. She had a really bad concussion. Um so I I I don't know if she's gonna be out for a bit. Like she hasn't played and I don't know if she's been in camp yet. But um but the other thing I I'm excited to see is her and uh Sabrina played together at Oregon. So I'm like excited to like see them like playing together again, see how that goes.

SPEAKER_02

Um Yeah, no, I absolutely think that will be a a nice I I'm sure it'll just kick back in like instantly. Right. They're gonna be fine. Yeah. It was interesting though, because when you look at the Liberty's draft, they did not have a first round pick, and they did not have a second round pick. And really what they ended up doing was drafting one player in the third round and then also trying uh signing a bunch of just like non-drafted rookies just to kind of add to the roster. So it it almost makes you wonder if if they're just going to rely really heavily on their superstars, and they got a lot of them right now, and if that's enough, or if they think that these rookies are gonna fill out their bench or maybe even be surprised.

SPEAKER_00

The other thing, um, Han Han Shu, like who they had drafted years and years ago, and like she like you know, played a little bit. Um, but then she went back over. I think she's from Japan, maybe. She might be from Korea, I'm not totally sure. Um, but like y you know, she she went back home and played for some seasons and and and now she's back and like China. China?

SPEAKER_02

China, yeah. Okay. She's 6'11.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she's like looking like um she she's gonna be a force. Um like, and it's like I think she like wanted to become more than like just her uh height, and like I think she's like done that. She's like um grown like a more well-rounded game, I I guess. Um so her r Rebecca Allen, Maureen Jo Johannes, Leone Phoebe, I mean, these are all like bench players. So I mean it's like they're like, you know, Portland's like starting five could could like probably like their starting five is probably as good as like the Liberties like bench. Bench, yeah. It's like yeah, it's it's gonna be tough. Um those are like the uh the two I probably put in a class by themselves, and then I think I have the sparks at like three. Um yes, sparks. Uh the I guess we we can talk about the uh dream since uh I have a lot to say about the Atlanta Dream. Okay, yeah, you you go ahead and start us all.

SPEAKER_02

So this the Atlanta Dream is a team that I think might be the sneakiest best team, to be honest. Like if they ended up making a run, I would not be surprised, kind of in the slightest. And the reason for that is uh so you look at 2024, Atlanta Dream went uh 15 and 25. And then in that offseason, it didn't seem like they made like a lot of crazy moves or any at all, and all of a sudden they're 30 and 14, third best in the league, I believe, tying the Aces uh records. Uh, and then of course, uh unfortunately hadn't run in with the Indiana Fever and actually kind of got upset by them. I was a bit surprised that their uh dream season ended like that. But of course, the biggest news getting Angel Reese, who uh averaging 14.7 points per game and an astonishing 12.6 rebounds, that is massive for the dream to have. Uh, because when I was looking at the rebounds, Angel Reese is at 12.6. The second most rebounds is 7.3 Breonna Jones. And 7.3 is good, but have someone have that much of a rebound, like Angel Reese is aggressive at the rim. Like, she will go for the ball and just like if she misses a shot, she's gonna rebound her own shot.

SPEAKER_00

That is, yeah. And I think part of why the uh numbers are like so high is because like she's still not great offensively. Like if she can could could figure out her offensive game. But like, so the big thing about the dream is like it uh came out that Brianna Jones is like hurt. I don't know exactly what her injury is, but I think it's possible that she can miss the the entire season and like that the entire Oh I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so like they didn't say like like how how serious it uh was, but um the dream did sign her for a three-year deal, so like they they got her from the sun and said, You're gonna help us out here.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so like once that came out, I like dropped them a little bit because I had them at a three. Um 'cause like now Angel's gonna have to play center, which is going to be interesting, 'cause like Brianna would have been the center, and then Angel would have been the four. Um but it's like I I still think they're they're gonna To be a force because they have one of the best guard tandems. Um, Ryan Howard and Alicia Gray. Actually, it's a a triple threat because they have Jordan Canada too, who's still amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Jordan Canada eight year vet.

SPEAKER_00

Um gosh, so it's Angel. I think Nas Hillman.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, Nas Hillman's still there.

SPEAKER_00

Will will be the power forward. There was like another player I feel like they like signed or they they had um nothing else in my knowledge.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe not.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because that was like six, I guess. Yeah. But um, they have uh Pow Pow still who they drafted out of South Carolina last year, who's like done well. Um people were like, oh, we don't know how like she's gonna do, but she's been doing well. Um but yeah, I just think that Brianna Jones injury is rough.

SPEAKER_02

Um yeah, I mean that that was I didn't realize she was injured. That was the reason that I went, oh man, this is gonna be a nasty team. Yeah, like this team is going all in. Like I said, they they were this awful team two years ago, last year, surprisingly amazing, and now it felt like they're going, give us Angel Reese, give us Brianna Jones, we're gonna resign uh Howard and Gray. We're we're fucking going for it. And I mean, hopefully, hopefully Jones's injury is not as severe as you were saying, because if she can play this team, I think you do not want to underestimate.

SPEAKER_00

No, no. Um like like I wouldn't be shocked if they like uh won at all. Um if they're completely healthy. I'm trying to see if yeah, there's like been any uh any updates. Well, I mean it said so a week ago it said that she had knee surgery. Um and it's uh uncertain her uh status for the start of the season. Uh yeah, it doesn't say uh timeline or anything.

SPEAKER_02

Well then while we're in the injury bug, let me talk about my Minnesota Lynx so I can be depressed for the next 15 minutes, and then we can talk about your Indiana fever, because I think you might be feeling pretty good about them.

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Is that is that your Chargers energy fever?

SPEAKER_00

Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, beautiful. Uh yes, so uh I'm a Minnesota Lynx fan. I'm like I said, I'm pretty new to the the sport in general, so I've yet to see them win the uh win the finals, but I did get to see them go to the finals and unfortunately lose to the Liberty in what I believe was a very upsetting uh foul call, and I will not let it go. And this this was a weird offseason. So in 2025, the Minnesota Lynx finished 34 and 10. They were first in the league. They looked like they were gonna be great, and then Collier went down. Uh, they got to the second round of the playoffs, lost to the Phoenix Mercury 3-1. We didn't have Collier, we didn't have Carrington. It was just a bad way for the season to end because of injuries. And I'm curious if that's part of the reason why we let go of Alana Smith and Bridget Carlton and Heideman is just because they were all great, and I think Lynx is like kind of half rebuilding, which I don't like to say because Collier is still gonna be amazing. She has 22.9 uh points per game from last year. I believe that was the second most in the league, of course, just behind Asia Wilson. But what made me a little uneasy is they only signed Collier to a one-year extension. Yeah. And that makes me think that her injury is either worse than what they're saying, or it's more of a hey, if you do well and we are thinking about rebuilding, like if we lose this year, then we'll trade you away for some picks. And either way, it's god, it bums me up because she's so good, and I just hope she gets to stay. We we did return um, or we did retain uh Kayla McBride, which I think was a brilliant call. Kayla McBride sneakily great on that Lynx team. Uh Courtney Williams, as we established earlier, they got Nia Coffey from the Atlanta Dream, which I think is a good depth.

SPEAKER_00

That was a really good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then the return of not uh Natasha Howard, who won the Lynx back in 2017 and then was on the fever and then came back. So I think that's just like a fun player to come back for the Lynx. But man, I I think Minnesota's gonna be relying on their rookies, uh, specifically Olivia Miles being their first round pick, the second overall.

SPEAKER_00

She's she looked good in the preseason game so far.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's what's giving me the most hope right now because Collier, I don't know when they said she's gonna be back.

SPEAKER_00

Uh June.

SPEAKER_02

Is it June?

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah, she's out until June.

SPEAKER_02

So almost a month of games, which, you know, not not the worst. A month isn't a horrible time in basketball terms. Like, you know, being out in a month in football, you've missed, you know, a third of the season. But you know, basketball you get a little bit more leniency, so hopefully they'll have some chances. But I'm a little nervous. I I think I still think they make the playoffs, but I don't know. I think we really have to see how good are these rookies, how good is Olivia Miles, how good is uh Lonnie White gonna be. So it's it's tough. We we also signed uh Aubrey Griffin, but did not play the first year um due to her knee injury, and so maybe she'll be back from injury and give us something, but there this is probably my biggest question mark of a team right now, is my very own links.

SPEAKER_00

Um they have Dorca Yuha's coming back too, which is big. Um I like her a lot. She's still fairly young. Yeah. Um because yeah, they my whole thing is like I never count out Cheryl Reeve. Like I she's like that's the the the the best mind in the uh game. Like like it's like whenever I'm like, oh, I don't think they're gonna be good, it's like they're they're they are second place. She uh knows some. Um so yeah, I I think just her what she's able to do with players. Like, so I had them lower, but I put them at at like six. Um, because cause I was like That's roughly where I think I have them six. Yeah, I think once like Fee comes back and yeah, I I can't see Fee leaving.

SPEAKER_02

Um loved in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I don't know what it is exactly, um, but I feel like it's like they're they're gonna like sign her to a to a deal.

SPEAKER_02

Um I hope they do, because seeing all these other players, you know, seeing Aaliyah Boston and Asia Wilson get their contracts, Lexi Hall got like a two-year deal with the fever, um Hell of Vegas, like we established earlier, Chelsea and Jewel, they got three-year extension. So like all these players, they are signing for long term. The Liberty signed all their players basically for long term.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's like, do you know something we don't? And should we be worried that Collier is just way more injured, or or is this like a hey, we're gonna light a fire under you, let's see. Can can you be this year's MVP? Can you do it? Like, I I I don't know. It's a strange decision.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean I I can't really re wrap my my head around that one. It's like, but I mean, maybe, you know, there are problems. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, especially because next year she's gonna the the salary cap will increase slightly, so she's gonna be getting more money. So it's weird that you don't lock her up now and say, you're on our team for the next three years minimum.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I mean if she wants to like just listen to deals from other teams, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's true. She I mean, as far as I know, she could have said I'll do a one-year deal and then I'll hear other people out.

SPEAKER_00

My options. Um But yeah, that would be crazy, like seeing her somewhere else.

SPEAKER_02

Uh well, should we talk about your Indiana fever? Uh as we just stated, uh Leah Boston got her the big four-year 6.3 million. I think that's an amazing sign on for her. I think that's a great, great call. How are you feeling about them?

SPEAKER_00

Um, I'm really hoping, like, like Caitlin lit left early, like like last night, because um she went down on her knee, and I was like, oh god. And like, but she was like, you know, I just hit my knee hard, and like Stephanie White was like, we were gonna take her out at this point anyway. It's like okay, please, just you know, I can't handle this again. Um I so Kelsey signed a one-year deal. So it seems like and like Sophie got a one-year deal. And like Sophie like wanted more. I I f I really want them to win the title this year so that Sophie and Kelsey can like get one, because I don't feel like they're gonna be back next year. Um, I just feel like it's gonna they're gonna be able to get paid more somewhere else.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean Kelsey Mitchell is incredible. Uh I believe she was the leading scorer over Aliyah Boston last year, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she's one of those who's like I've like watched her a lot and like she's been inconsistent at a times, but like she just when she's on, she's on. Like, I mean, it's just great to to see. And like Aliah's been inconsistent too, so I mean, I'm just hoping that, you know, both of them can be consistent this season, um, and that Caitlin can stay healthy. Um, because last year it was just they were like just trying, you know, too much, and they were putting Caitlin in, and like Caitlin hadn't been injured s since like high school. So I mean it's like, you know, this weird thing that, you know, I think mentally it was messing with her too, like something that she wasn't used to. So it was just like she was coming back when she probably shouldn't have, and it was just it was a lost season, and like they they still, you know, made the playoffs and made it to the Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, like I said, upset the dream, and that was yeah, they took the aces to game five, only lost by nine points in that game. So like they they looked good for finishing the season 24 and 20, they made their run in the playoffs. They actually looked okay, and that was a lot without Clark. That was a lot without her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and it's um it's how I always feel about the uh Chargers. It's like there's so much pressure on them. They they look so good on paper. But it's like wi with Caitlin here, it's like the pressure's just constantly gonna be there, always. Um it's like, you know, they need to win. So, I mean, can they do it? I I believe they they can, but it's like it's it's just tough because like, you know, uh all the eyes are on them and like all the criticism just constant. Yeah, for sure. You know.

SPEAKER_02

Um but I think that team does a great job not letting the talk get to them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And like they uh drafted Raven Johnson, who like everyone was like talking about how her and Caitlin hate each other, because like when uh Iowa played uh South Carolina, like Caitlin like was guarding Raven, and then she literally just brushed her off, like she can go ahead and shoot. Um but like Caitlin does that to like all these these players. Um so like everyone's like, yeah, they're not gonna like work out, and like so far, like Raven's been looking great, and um they they seem to have a great relationship and Raven's like fitting in great.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I'm I'm sure once you get like into the pros, you kind of have to let some of that college bullshit go away. Yeah, and then just kind of harness it for the other teams because I've they they I've seen some games where these players get real chippy and it is fun. Uh and that's I think one of the things I love about the W NBA is that still I'm new to the NBA as well, but man, do they foul bait like fucking crazy in the NBA? And I feel like I don't see that nearly as much in the W NBA. Like they they'll like hit the ground and the refs are just like, mmm, sucks to fall over, huh, nerd.

SPEAKER_00

Refs have been shit. Like, like the refs have to get better. Um, that is like one of those things. But it's like the uh the the Portland game with the 61 fouls that was scaring the hell out of me. I'm like, alright, this is preseason. Like, hopefully it's just like nothing. It's like they like walked near the other player. That's a foul. Like, I mean, come on, like, let's not get totally crazy.

SPEAKER_02

I my the conspiracy side of me is like, oh, well, now that they have eyes on them, they can fit more commercials in the way that they like do for the NBA, where my favorite thing is I see people say is like I'm so tired of this basketball game interrupting my commercials.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Oh yeah, I mean that I'm I'm definitely happy about all all the eyes. It's like I don't want it to like corrupt the uh game, I guess. It's like the the whole thing. But um yeah, like we'll we'll see how. Hopefully they're like gonna do like some special things for this season, because they're calling it the the 30th anniversary. So like I've like been been seeing like um they've been releasing like some of the classic like jerseys, like they've partnered with Michelin Ness to like do like some of the throwbacks, which is which is cool, because like I don't think they've ever done that uh for the WNBA. Um so like yeah, like Tamika Catchings, Fever jersey, Don Staley, a Charlotte Sting jersey, Lauren Jackson Storm jersey. It's like all these legends like are getting like jerseys. It's really cool. That's very cool. Yeah, and I think the teams are gonna be wearing some throwbacks. Like I saw the Sparks were uh doing like media and their throwbacks, so i it it it'll be cool to see like special things they like do.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, where did you have the fever in your rankings?

SPEAKER_00

I have the fever at four. Um behind yeah, the Liberty Aces and Sparks, right above the dream and the links.

SPEAKER_02

Well then do you want to call the finals right now? Who's your finals pick? Alright. Don't need to be disappointed. Like, I don't want to predict anything. Uh gosh.

SPEAKER_00

You you go go first.

SPEAKER_02

Uh I I will say the Liberty go to the finals, and you know what? I don't care about the injury. Atlantic Dream's making the finals this year. That's uh that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

That's a good pick.

SPEAKER_02

And you know what? Atlanta is gonna win it too.

SPEAKER_00

That would be like imagine all like like the um the journalists and everything, and just the internet and everything that Angel gets on B before Caitlin.

SPEAKER_02

Oh good, yeah, because the the fucking discourse around Angel and Caitlin hasn't been toxic enough. It's like I I love how insane the journalists are about that, but like anytime Angels ask about Caitlin or vice versa, they're just like, yeah, she's a good player. Like they're they're not even like they're not shit talking to each other, like more than like normal, like average shit talking, but because you know Angel was it was she on LSU when she beat Yeah. I mean I it's one of the things I I would love Caitlin to get a ring soon, just because man, she's had some bad luck in college going to back-to-back championships, losing to both of them. Uh which is why when um the sky had Reese and Camilla, um I was like, wow, this seems gonna be fucking great, and then they just weren't.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um I think I'm going to go Liberty and the Fever.

SPEAKER_02

Everyone's saying Fever's making it. Okay. So we both both feel pretty confident Liberty probably is the team to beat right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think the aces. I don't think they're gonna do it again. Are you gonna go Liberty Fever?

SPEAKER_02

Who and who wins?

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna go fever. Okay. Just because like that is what I what I'm you know, like uh maybe I can manifest that. But um I love it. But yeah, like like I wouldn't be shocked if it's Aces, uh, Dream, Sparks, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Who who would you say is your no chance in hell they make it, but also like would it would it be the fire?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean if they had like a Valkyrie season, I would be so happy. Um because like I mean it it can happen because like nobody thought the Valkyrie were like gonna do that. But like na Nakase, like she she seems to be like just an amazing coach um too, so I think that was like the perfect situation there. And like this guy who's coaching the fire, I don't know, Alex Shirama. I think he's a British guy, but he was on the calves bench. I think he's only like 30. Um But yeah, like I I don't know. We'll we'll see. But yeah, I'm rooting for the fire. I'm rooting for the Mystics. We didn't really talk about them, but their average age, they're the youngest team at 24. I think average, yeah. Um but yeah, I I'm rooting for them a lot. Um I like a lot of their players.

SPEAKER_02

You know, we we didn't talk about the Mercury much either. Um I I kinda fuck about that. Then top of this show, you were just like, I like all these teams. What about the Mercury? I don't want to talk about Mercury talking about. Yeah, the Mercury I I was a little worried about because you have Bonner who's, you know, she's up there in age, you know, AT, she's still probably their best player, but she's been in a league for a while, so I can kind of see them making a bit of a a tumble, unfortunately. Yeah. And then like I said, my dark pick is I'm gonna go with the Dallas Wings, might make a sneakily good run this year.

SPEAKER_00

I I think they they will. Um, and I think most of that's based on Paige. I think Paige is gonna have a crazy season. Yeah, Paige is gonna be a good one. Oh god, please no. She's she's gonna be great. Oh, she is out for the season. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02

And then we're gonna be doing fantasy W NBA this year.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, I've been doing a couple years. Um but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I did win my fantasy basketball NBA one.

SPEAKER_00

I finished Well, I think I only did one and like injuries just killed me, so I didn't even make the uh playoffs. So bad.

SPEAKER_02

Nah, I I I dominated my league. I was surprisingly good in that one. So I'm looking forward to hopefully dominating in WNBA fantasy as well. For sure. Uh Ricky, do you have any last thoughts on the WNBA? Any uh surprise picks, any just big feelings, gut feelings, or just something you want to say. Something on your mind, Ricky.

SPEAKER_00

So if you want to get into it, um forty four game seasons. Um a lot of the the games are like televised now. Um I have the the league pass. Like the league. Keeps going up every year, but I think it's just went up to like forty-four dollars.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's just forty-four bucks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I mean forty-four dollars for the whole season. Like, I mean, I think it's definitely worth it, and yeah, I mean, give it a shot. Um I think you might be so surprised at how much you enjoy it, and um, it's definitely a a great time because it's on the grow for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I 100% agree, but I think that's all the time we have today. So thank you for listening to another episode of a mostly film podcast. We'll be back next week with a film episode. I've been Brandon, with me as always is Ricky, and this time, go watch some sports.

SPEAKER_00

Sports Ball. Bye.