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The Raunchy Teen Sex Comedy Hour!
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Ricky and Brandon discuss the evolution of the raunchy teen comedy/coming of age stories. How have they changed and can they still be made today? They also share some of their embarrassing teen stories.
Please grab your popcorn and large photo because it's time for a mostly film podcast. Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a mostly film podcast. We are the havers of hijinks, the professionals of partying, and we are currently coming of age. My name is Brandon, and with me as always is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?
SPEAKER_02Uh, just trying to come of age, you know. Yeah. Every second, just trying to get more m mature. I'm not there yet, but you know, maybe one time. How far along do you think you're old man? Who the hell knows? Not far.
SPEAKER_00Just still got a long way to go.
SPEAKER_02There's still progress to be made.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I I've always liked the term coming of age because it always typically applies to like, you know, that pre-teen to teenager years. Do you think there are like coming of age stories for like adults normally?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Like I've never really thought thought of that like what is the age where it's like you've seen.
SPEAKER_00You're no more coming, you've came, you are aged.
SPEAKER_02You have came saw conquered, and it's all downhill from here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I always wonder if there's like a specific age limit where they're just like, nope, you've done it, you've made it, you've finished, and you have no more growth left. You're not allowed to it's not cute making mistakes anymore when you're 38 or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean I guess I I think about it like uh I don't like put a certain age on it, but it's like you know, teens to like early twenties. It's like probably like 30s. It's like, alright, you should be of age button.
SPEAKER_00You should know what you want. Yeah. I actually just played a video game last year or maybe a couple years ago called Oxen Free 2 that I would actually refer to as a coming of age story for 30-year-olds. Because it is following these two 30-year-olds, like one of whom is trying to basically find their place in the world or feel like they matter at age 30, and then the other one's like gonna have a kid and doesn't know really what that's gonna entail or who's gonna be involved. I'm like, does this count as a coming of age story? Like just different, you know, trials and tribulations that we all experience as life continues.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then it's like, you know, a midlife crisis or whatever. Like, I guess that is kind of like that. It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I can't wait for my midlife crisis. Yeah. We'll probably start a podcast.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right. Uh-oh. Hold on. Oh god. We've been in it the whole time.
SPEAKER_00No, I I always love midlife crises crises because I feel like the common thing is either like get a motorcycle, uh, start like partying again, that kind of thing. I don't think that's gonna be mine. I think mine's just gonna be staring into the ether, just screaming why. I think that's the the uh a good emotional response.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm down. We we should uh yeah, like make a party out of it. Like just screaming into the ether.
SPEAKER_00It's why Wednesday. Every Wednesday we just get on this cliff and yell why? Aren't you scared you'll fall off? Why, man? It's possible. Anything could happen. Everything's possible on why Wednesday. Well, the reason that Ivan said coming of age to begin with, Ricky, what is our topic today?
SPEAKER_02So we had said like uh the idea was raunchy teen comedies, but I think it's like we we could talk about, you know, teen comedies as a whole and kind of like the evolution of them. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00The raunchy teen comedy. I I feel like you know, I rewatched quite a few movies, saw some that I've never seen before, and I feel like even the raunchy teen comedies, at least the ones that I watched, were still pretty coming of age style. Like they they all seem to learn a lesson in some regard. Um where do you think that the raunchy teen comedy started? What do you think would be the first movie?
SPEAKER_02So this isn't like raunchy teen comedy, but I feel like the uh two early ones that I always go go to that is like focusing on like the high school age is Last Picture Show and American Gri Graffiti. Like choices. So la last picture shows it has nudity and everything. American gr graffiti's like more like tame, I guess. But like I feel like those were the two that I found. Um and I mean I have a great love for them, but it's like those are Yeah, those are both great movies. Yeah, those are like the early two that I think of that really focused on like that age group. Um and then from there, what I could find, like I guess late 70s, you're like trying to get into some. I I didn't know if we we wanted to consider like uh Animal House. Um which is you know, they're I I watched it for this college freshman. It's still like the the raunchy teen comedy.
SPEAKER_00I mean, look at the 2000s, how many of those took place in college, like Van Wilder, all those national lampoons were always usually college based, which was still like the you know, raunchy teen comedy in that way. And almost more so because college is typically that first time that most people are, you know, away from parents or have some sort of self-identity of their own, which will allow for more wacky hijinks to ensue. Have you seen Animal House? Yeah. Uh what do you think of it?
SPEAKER_02I like it. Um it's fun. Um like I don't uh I don't really consider it like one of my favorites, I guess. But but it's fun. Um That was kind of well that that was in 78. That was 78. Yeah. And um the the 80s was the big decade, I think, for the the Rochetine comedy.
SPEAKER_00We talking porkies?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, porkies.
SPEAKER_00I I did watch porkies because I've never seen it.
SPEAKER_02So I don't think I had either well, maybe I did, um, but I didn't really re- re remember it. So like a month or so ago I had like started watching it and I watched like 30, 40 minutes or something, and I was like, oh, okay, like and I just never like stuck with it. Like, I've I got what I needed to get. But it's so like the the whole thing about you know they're they're iconic, I guess, for like, you know, the the nudity and everything. And I had like like an interesting thought about this, but but like I want to hear your your thoughts first, and then I'll like go into mine.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well uh actually before I talk about Porkies, I want to touch on one thing about Animal House. Okay, which is uh the first thing that I said was Mozart's in this movie, because uh the guy who plays Amadeus Mozart and Amadeus from one of our previous episodes. His name is like the first name that popped up, and I was just like, ah, like I got really excited. Um Yeah, when I watched Porkies, that movie I wanted to watch because I never saw it, but when I think of you know the raunchy teen comedy, that's always brought up.
SPEAKER_03The shower scene.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the shower scene is actually the main thing I want to talk to you about because that's the most iconic scene. I definitely have some thoughts on the movie as a whole. It was I thought it was fine. Um I actually didn't think it aged as horribly as I was kind of worried. That being said, some of the first characters in it say a lot of hard racial slurs, and you're like, yo, it's uh yeah. And I will say to add on to that though, uh the one that was doing it the most ends up kind of having a decent arc where he, you know, you find out like his father's actually like a super bigot, anti-Semite, all that stuff, and then uh he ends up standing up to his father with the help of a Jewish kid who kind of sets him straight. I'm like, oh, that's actually surprisingly arcful for uh an 80s comedy raunchy movie. Uh but okay, so for those who don't know about Porkies, Porky's was from 1981. The whole plot is your cliche. Uh, we need to have sex before graduation ends, basically. Um and so they these group of boys always try to keep having sex with people, it doesn't go well, and then they go to a place called Porky's where they think they can just like basically buy a woman to have sex with, and then the guy just kind of steals their money, embarrasses them, and then uh even the sheriff like breaks their car to be like, now get out of our town, and you know, and so the rest of the movie is them trying to get like some sort of revenge while also having some life lessons. Uh the thing that I was curious about this movie in particular was the shower scene, because one thing I noticed about this movie in particular is everything that would probably look icky from uh our modern lens is not just necessarily played for laughs, but it's played for everyone's on board. Which I I thought it stuck out to me. So, like, even in the shower scene when the guys are, you know, watching these girls shower, the girls are like, oh ha ha ha, those silly boys, like they're totally in on it and like totally about it. And I was curious, because I was like, okay, this movie was out when my mom was younger, and so I actually asked my mom, like, hey, was this funny back then or was this still kind of creepy? And my mom went, Well, it it would have been creepy to us, and she went, I actually think that would have been considered like flattering to my mom's generation, to my to my my grandmother's my mom's mom. Um the movie is set in the 50s, but it was made in the 80s. But my mom was saying, like, yeah, no, I I'll ask, I'll ask you know, your grandmother, but she's like, I think that would have actually been considered like a compliment back then, and that the women would have been like, Oh, thank you for looking at me in the shower. Like that was their kind of mindset. Um, and then there's a thing my mom told me, which is something that she used to say in like school, which was a little mantra that her and all the her girlfriends would sing, which is we must, we must, we must increase our bust. The bigger the better, the tighter the sweater, the boys are depending on us. Yeah. So, you know, different generation. I I definitely can't see a lot of like millennials or Gen Zs being like, we need to make our boobs bigger so men will like us. But I I that definitely made me laugh because I mean, like I said, comedies are the first thing to age poorly, always. And you never know what's going to be considered acceptable, or um sometimes when you see an older comedy, it is from a different lens. And so, like my mom said, like, that probably would have been seen as a compliment to a lot of like women in the 50s, as opposed to like kinda creepy in the 80s to like now it's just a full-on crime to us. Like, if someone's like, I peeved on girls in the shower, I'd be like, maybe you don't tell it to anyone, because that's really fucking weird.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, and like I I think what um what made us settle on this episode is like we were like talking about, you know, can you make a raunchy teen comedy nowadays? Um, and like so what I was thinking, um couple years ago I watched this uh really great documentary. It's called Skin, and it was about like nudity and film, and like it actually like talks to like some of the uh women and stuff, and it's like y you know, back then, I mean they were like taking it, you know, just like give me a job, like I mean, you know, whatever. Um and like I think the big thing for for me is like a lot of those, like, there were a lot of like raunchy teen comedies and everything where like literally the women are just there to get naked. It's like those those female characters, like there's no character whatsoever b besides she's attractive, let's get her clothes off. Right. And like, so like I was actually thinking about that and I was like, cause like w this is like the uh genre that I love to write, you know, the whole coming of age thing. And it's like I want my female characters to like have some characterization, like like, you know, not just like be there as like, you know, someone for the guys to want to be with. You know, it's like I think that is the big difference from like then to like now. So I think you you could still have these types of comedies, but like you have to give them some characterization where like you know the nudity's just not so gr gratuitous and everything, and it's like it it makes sense. Cause I mean, like like w when you're a teen, I mean, what do you want to do? You wanna see like naked women? I mean it's you know like like I mean that is you know that is teen boys, you know. I mean it's like sex is just a big thing for like teenagers. So I mean I don't think that is an issue. You know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I I think so I so the movies that I actually watched, I try to watch kind of by decade just to be curious. So I did watch uh Animal House, then I watched Porkies, I watched American Pie, uh, then I watched Um Mismarch, No Hard Feelings, and Bottoms. So I tried to get kind of a I don't know if you would necessarily count No Hard Feelings. I I threw it on there because it was on some lists.
SPEAKER_02That's a good one. Um I like that one. This is gonna sound weird. I like that one for uh nudity, but I but I like it a lot because like Jennifer Lawrence like had like all the essay. She was like, Oh nice, I I wanna do this, like like this is how I want to do it, and everything. And it's like I thought that that was cool. Where like you know, everyone's like, Oh my gosh, like Jennifer Lawrence is full, full frontal nude, like oh my gosh, and it's like no, like like I mean, she had control over that, which is like really cool compared to like back then where where it's like these women just had to do it to get a job. Right.
SPEAKER_00So it's like also and no hard feelings in a weird way, like her nudity isn't necessarily you know, quote unquote sexy, like it's she is just naked in it, but she's kicking the ass as she's she's beating up teenage, which is very funny. Yeah, and so like I I think there is that way of presentation, and so one actually one of the notes I wrote down was do people get rewarded for their actions? And so in a lot of these, you know, raunchy teen sex comedies, there's a lot of bad decisions that are being made. And then I think where the problem lies for me is do they get rewarded for their bad decisions or are they kind of punished for it? Right, yeah, yeah. And that is a rude distinction. So, in fact, one thing I noticed was uh kind of going back to your women characters, so in uh National Lampoon and Porky's, basically all the women characters are there for the men. Yeah, they might have some funny lines. Kim Catro's in Porkies, and actually is kind of hysterical the way she's like hollering when she's having sex, and it's actually very funny. Um but these these characters at most, their characterization is to be, oh fellas, like it's that as far as they go. Like, why are you guys being so crazy? That's typically as far as their characterization goes in those movies. When I got to American Pie, now I'm not saying American Pie is the most classy film, um, but pretty quickly you see that there are women characters who are flat out saying, like, no, you we I'm not here just so I can fuck you. Like, I want to actually have an emotional connection with you. There's another girl that one of the characters like tries to hit on, and she basically says, you know, like, hey, I'm I'm gonna be learning like feminism theory, and I want to learn about that. And when he tries to kind of be like, let's have sex, she's like, You're clearly not listening, and you're not gonna respect me deuces. And so there are moments like that where you go, like, oh, cool, these these characters, whether if they're fully fleshed out or not, they're at least standing up for themselves, and they're not there just to be eye candy or you know, these guys do shitty things and then they get laid because of it. Everybody who like hooks up in that movie in the end kind of I don't I don't want to say earns it, because that sounds gross, but like they're they they they end up having sex or hooking up under okay circumstances, like they're not being sneaky or conniving or doing horrible things. Like how like in Revenge of the Nerds, like one of the nerds gets gets laid because he pretends to be someone else, which is a sex crime. Like that's just a crime. But we we cheer for them in Revenge of the Nerds. But in American Pie, most everything they do, if it's scummy, they kind of get their come up ins pretty quickly. The only like bad example is in American Pie, there's a part where Jason Biggs' character gets convinced to film like the foreign girl changing in her room. And he puts it on the internet, and like that's ooh, that's not a good look. But at the same time, very similar to Porkies, she's she ends up kind of being like, Oh, I'm sort of like into the fact that you walked in on me changing, like that's fine. So, like, in the universe, they're saying it's okay, it's not, but in the universe they're saying it's okay. But when she does try to like hook up with him, he ends up jizzing his pants twice in the matter of like two minutes, and then he gets mocked by everyone at school. So, in a weird way, although what he did was clearly wrong, the people are still saying you're getting made fun of, you're not getting rewarded with sex with her because you you did a bad thing in a cosmic way. I think that's kind of a good way to do a lot of teen comedies, is if you're gonna be a shithead, which you will be a shithead if you're a teenager, you can't be rewarded for shitty behavior.
SPEAKER_02That is what I love about it. Um when like writing, it's like so like you know, I take a lot from like my personal experiences. Um and like there were like moments there was like a moment where I like said said something to a girl and she like man, she like blew up at me. So I like put that in the script and it's like there's an egg there's an and a real like you're just so ignorant when you're young. Oh yeah. You know, it's like you you just don't don't know, and it's like that is part of the beauty, is like, you know, you're like looking at it like why did this person say that? And it's like, yeah, they have to learn. I mean, they have to say these stupid things.
SPEAKER_00Kind of jumping forward a bit, so one of my favorite movies of the past couple years is Bottoms. I think it's so good. It's so funny, and at the same time, it's the same thing where these these girls are making lots of horrible mistakes and they're not fully getting rewarded for it. That being said, one girl does technically have sex with another girl, kind of under false pretenses, in that um she lies about going to juvie and starting this club. So she does kind of get rewarded for her lie, although it does blow up in her face shortly after.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it's the same thing of like, these characters have to learn, no matter what. Um I'm kind of always on the team of anytime someone's like, Oh, you can't make a movie like that nowadays, it's I think you still can, like you said, but I think audiences actually want to feel like they can support the characters and understand that, yeah, you're gonna do weird, creepy things. You might say something awkward, you might say something forward, but as long as the character, again, doesn't get rewarded for it. Um I mean, look at American Pie. You have Stifler who talks about having sex. All the time. And one of the first things we see with Stifler is he drinks someone else's cum on accident. Right? He he's about to hook up with some girl and he grabs the beer that's on a table that a previous person uh uh finished into and he drinks it and pukes. And you're like, good, because that character sucks. Yeah, right. He's clearly like, you know, a douchebag, so it's great that he drinks someone else's semen and pukes because of it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um one big one for uh me is uh fast times. Um like that one maybe the most iconic nude scene ever. Um but it's like data scene is so good because like he's like you know fantasizing about this girl, you know everybody does does that, and then it's like you know, she like takes her uh top off, and it's like he's like masturbating, and then she walks in on it. Yeah, it's like it's so like great because it's like, oh my gosh, it's so embarrassing. Yeah, it's it's that perfect teen awkwardness of you know Yeah, and I I haven't l like I started rewatching it, I didn't watch the the the whole thing, but it's like I know that Jennifer Jason Lee's character in that I I feel like she has some pretty good like characterization because like she wants to like I think she wants to lose her her ver virginity and then it's like she has sex and it's like it's not like what she had in envisioned or whatever. And I know it's based off a book that Cameron Crow wrote, so I don't know like like and he wrote the script too. Um so I don't know like like the uh big differences, but that like to me like really encompasses like the the the eighties and it was directed by Amy Heckerling, and then she goes on to uh do Clueless, which I I also start started watching, and like I feel like Clueless encompasses like the nineties so well.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, it's a it's a perfect 90s film.
SPEAKER_02Like, and it's like oh my gosh, like like I totally f forgot she had directed both, and I feel like you know she's so uh uh underrated because like you know, you don't really hear about her much, but like Clueless and Fast Times are like so great for that um like encompassing the uh time period they're they're set in.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, I mean and Clueless has one of the best uh lines insults ever, which is just you're a virgin who can't drive. Which is such a great like high school burn.
SPEAKER_02I don't know like like if Clueless like started like some of the the slang.
SPEAKER_00Like the gag me with a spoon, that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02Um the as if, like the like shit like l like that, or if it's like I think that was already in the zeitgeist.
SPEAKER_00I I feel like I was I was recently looking up um just like Millennial Lingo and Gen X Lingo and stuff like that, because I was I sometimes I do nerdy shit like that. And I I think that was very California already. That was already like pretty big West Coast Lingo, and then I'm sure that movie just catapulted it into the stratosphere. Like how even like Wayne's World added not into like everything. Like people they didn't create that, but it definitely was what made people start to say it over and over again. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but um, yeah, though those were uh two big ones that I definitely like wanna watch. Like like again, the the whole things.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, those are good movies.
SPEAKER_02Um, and uh like one of my favorites, um that isn't really raunchy, but it's just a really great teen comedy, Dazed and Confused. Sure. Which like encompasses the the the 70s, like very well. Um Yeah, so so like the the 80s was probably like like the biggest. Um you also had like John Hughes movies, like like all of John Hughes' movies that that that weren't exactly raunchy, but they like focused on like teens, like Sixteen Candles, Pretty in Pink, Breakfast Club.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, those were definitely going more into like the actual coming of age, and like yeah, there's probably some like sex talk, but it wasn't like I I feel like a lot of times the raunchy comedy is sex is the end goal. Yeah. For if not one or more of the characters. So like even in bottoms, sex was like the goal, uh American Pie, Porkies, those are all like we need to have sex, because that's what matters, um, when you're young. I I remember being like 16, 15 or 16, when one of I was probably like 16. I I kind of remember a friend of mine having sex, and he was such a shithead after. Like, he he really was like if you guys, if it was like four guys hanging out talking, it would it would always be like, oh, do you guys want to get pizza? Or or get this, like, well, you know, uh speaking of someone who's had sex, I think pizza's the better option. You're like, but what does that even mean? What do you think? You don't get it, bruh. No, once you have sex, you'll understand why pizza's better than you know, spaghetti or whatever. And you're like, I don't I don't think that's a metaphor at all.
SPEAKER_02That that's not accurate, sir.
SPEAKER_00How do we know you didn't just eat a deep dish pizza and then the girl was like, no, this is sex, and you're like, cool. I love you it. Yeah, as you said, like the 90s, um, or excuse me, the the 80s definitely was probably the real renaissance of the the raunchy, the teen comedy, comedy of age comedy. I think nineties you definitely had well, late nineties was American Pie, so that was pretty late in the 2000s, and God, I feel like American Pie really reopened the teen sex comedy because I could not tell you how many movies I saw on Comedy Central that were just probably like straight to DVD or TV movies.
SPEAKER_02Oh, well, I mean, yeah, if we're gonna talk about those, it's like, yeah, like the whole national lampoons line. All those.
SPEAKER_00I mean, what was uh sorority boys, sex drive. Sorority boys, sex drive Eurotrip was probably another big one. Road trip. Road trip. Like, and then I would even argue like trip trip. This is Scott McGruber. He just wants to have sex with his girlfriend, but she won't let him until he trip trips into her vagina. Rated R.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, coming this fall.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that uh probably would open up doors to maybe not sex comedies, but even open up doors to like the Judd Apatow universe and like the Harold Kumar stuff, like not necessarily like Oh, yeah, totally forgotten about Harold and Kumar. Yeah, and I wouldn't call those like the raunchy sex comedy. I I'd put those more into like you know, stoner comedy or whatever. Yeah, super bads. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Huge one.
SPEAKER_00And that that one I would say was one that did it correctly. Because boy, were there a bunch of stinkers that were all just trying so so hard to be like the really outrageous um comedy. Like, I I feel like when I was looking through some of these and just kind of researching, so many of these movies have um either one gratuitous sex scenes, two crazy parties. Oh, a lot of times animals get involved, and then either like diarrhea or vomit. Like that's always a huge, huge part of it. Yeah, gotta have some diarrhea, gotta have some vomit. Um, I I also watched Miss March.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've still never seen Miss March.
SPEAKER_00It's not great, and I I love those guys. Um, but it's it's you know, it's fine. I don't think it's as bad as everyone says, but there's definitely some jokes that got me in there. But that like there's a lot of pooping in that movie. Just just great poop. Yeah, you actually see it explode out from under one of the guys. You see it explode out from uh Zack Krager.
SPEAKER_02I forgot that he was one of the dudes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's him and Trevor Moore, R.I.P. Trevor.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And again, that's another movie where sex is more or less the goal for both of them for different reasons, but it's still like a wacky sex comedy. And I would almost argue that movie felt like the uh the end of the more common sex like sex comedy in that vein, because those guys are more or less not the most likable characters, um, and there's not a lot like to redeem them overall. And that's when I feel like we started getting to like the 2010s and the 2020s, where we start adding stuff like bottoms, and I would even argue Book Smart being.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I still haven't watched Book Smart. I know you've been telling me to watch it for a while. Um I also found uh The Edge of 17, the one that uh Haley Steinfeld did. I don't even know what that is. I haven't watched that one either, but that one's like focused on her, I think, just like um kind of like I I don't know if she's like trying to lose her ver virginity or whatever, but you know, she's a teenager, like, you know, just dealing with all that that stuff and everything. Um, I wanted to watch that one because that one seems really good. Um yeah, like I feel like nowadays I don't know, it's like it's tougher, I think.
SPEAKER_00To make a a teen sex comedy?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, like looking at bottoms, rewatching it, I I think the reason it does so so well is that it is not grounded in reality. Like it really is kind of a fantastical movie. There's like a kid in a cage and it's never explained. There's like the end, they just straight up murder. Yeah, people who straight up get murdered in that movie, and everyone's just like, I think I killed someone. Oh yeah, there's a body over there, body over there. Like, there's a lot of just really heightened shit like that, which I think almost lets you get away with some of the more like stuff that people I think in 15, 20 years are gonna go, like, oh, I can't believe that they they won't let you make movies like that anymore. Like, I'm sure bottoms will be in that conversation in a few years when people Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_02But also I I like it too, because it's a fresh take. It's like um, you know, these girls trying to get with other girls, it's like, oh my gosh, like I haven't seen that.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, exactly. It's it's literally two lesbians doing the same thing of we have to get laid.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So that is like, I think part of why it's acceptable. It's a cool take on it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It's it's so funny that um Marshawn Lynch is in it, which for those who do not know, he is uh a he was a football player for the Seattle Seahawks, and he's just naturally funny and has really good awareness because he even has a line in there where he's just like, I'm not stupid, I just look this way. Like, oh poor Marshawn.
SPEAKER_02I love that.
SPEAKER_00He two of my biggest laughs, uh, and that movie's full of laughs, but my two favorite uh Marshawn Lynch lines is at one point he goes, The Holocaust, it happened. Which my first thought was like, we need to get that as a sound clap for this show to bring up the Holocaust. The Holocaust, it happened. Um and then he starts believing in feminism and like getting inspired by the girls, and then when they're like, you know, the act three thing where they get kind of called out and find out they're all aligned this entire time on his chalkboard. At first, he has something about like feminism, like who created it, Gloria Steinem, a man or see another woman, and he has that crossed out and then just says, like, why the men are uh why the presidents are all men and should be kept that way. Because he had his feelings hurt. It's so funny. Um I think it also has one of my favorite dark jokes I've seen in a movie, which is all the girls are sitting in in the circle together, and um Rachel's character ends up saying something like, Okay, we all have to get to know each other. Who's been raped? And everyone just stays quiet, and she goes, Gray area stuff counts too, and they all raise their hand. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02I don't think remember if like her and AO like like um uh came up with that when they were at NYU. Um I feel like that was like an idea they they had for a while. Um because I think Rachel wrote it, I believe.
SPEAKER_00She did. It looks like her and uh according to IMDB says uh Emma Seligman, who was the writer director.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she she's the one who she's done a lot of stuff with. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it looks like she also directed Shiva Baby, which was Rachel's other big movie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was like her breakout.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and so I I think that is just what you have to do to make a teen sex comedy now, is that you have to the characters don't have to be faultless, but I think as long as they are learning and actually become better people, I think that's the big thing. So like watching Porkies and Animal House, a lot of the characters are just kind of like all the girls like the boys just because they're the boys and they're the main character, so you have to like them. And I'm not even saying that Porkies and American uh excuse me, Porkies and Animal House are bad movies. They just were from a different time where like they just wanted to get to the joke, they just wanted to get to the the wacky hijinks. Um I mean Animal House had a couple bits I really liked that were definitely a bit more sticky that you go, like, oh, I bet this like kind of that you would think that would fit in bottoms with kind of kind of how unrealistic they were. Like at one point, uh one of the girls is jerking off the like preppy guy, and then she stops and you see she's wearing like rubber gloves. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's just a nice quick visual visual gag that makes you go, like, okay, I understand who these people are. That they need I think she even has a line saying to him, like, is it supposed to be this soft? Which is very funny. Uh, there is a good shtick in Animal House where they uh knock over a marching band leader and take over the marching band, and he takes them down an alley, and the marching band just ends up walking into a wall, like as if they have no free will of their own. Like, again, very silly, very stupid. And I think it's like I think having things like that help the those movies a lot more if you get to kind of detach a little bit and not try to play it super straight, super serious in your you know, teen raunchy sex comedy, like super grounded, maybe. If you can have some like wackiness that everyone just kind of agrees with, I think it gives the audience a little bit more of a break to understand and go like this is okay, this is fine, we're not rooting for fucking weirdos as much.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and like I that is the abase thing for for me that that I hope like um people would understand. Um like especially since this is like the uh genre that I like to write in. It's like no, these are supposed to be kids. They're like, you know, they they make mistakes. I said some dumbass shit when I was younger.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know, and it's like and like now I look back on it and it's like, oh my gosh, that was so stupid. But you don't know then. I mean, it's like you you you you can say, oh, you should know. Right. You have to learn. You're yeah, I mean, you're you're just an idiot.
SPEAKER_00Like I think that's also one thing that makes watching some of the older films tougher, is because like I I you know, there's there's a fascinating video I meant to send to you because I thought you would like it. But it basically it's the idea that like anyone that's older than you are, even if they're like 16 in a movie from 50 years ago, if the movies from 50 years ago, you only see them as an older person. And so, like, even watching Animal House and Porkies, the actors in my mind are playing teenagers or young, you know, young adults, but like in my mind I'm seeing them as late 20s, early 30s people, and also makes it a little harder to be like, let's root for these wacky kids when you're like, you're 35, sir. What are you doing playing a 16-year-old?
SPEAKER_02That is a good point.
SPEAKER_00Which, oddly enough, I looked up in bottoms, the the two leads in it, Rachel and Io, they they were both like in their late 20s when they shot that movie.
SPEAKER_02They're in their 20s.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so like, but they didn't look like they're in their 20s to me. Like, I just go like, yeah, they're playing teenagers. I I accept that they're teenagers. And I think it's just because it's a movie of our gen it's a more recent movie, so it just clicks, or we accept it more likely, than looking at an older film and going, oh, these 50-year-old actors are playing 18. I'm not buying it.
SPEAKER_02I can't think of any movies specifically for for me where it like bothers me. Um, I mean it's like it's I think there's like that, you know, you can talk about it, but if you're actually getting um the kids these age this age, like you you can't do it. Right. You can't show like a 16-year-old nude.
SPEAKER_00Now unless you're that director of Romeo and Juliet.
SPEAKER_02Like that or American Beauty, like Thora Thora Birch was 16. Was she really? And like yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But I think like l what like, you know, they had to like get her parents permission or whatever and everything. Um but it's like yeah, I mean, you you can't do it. Like, it's like it's a crime.
SPEAKER_00So right, it's literally a crime. Yeah, so I think that's what makes the genre so difficult, is that like, yeah, you're you're right. You you don't want actual teenagers playing teenagers, especially if you're gonna talk about sex or show, you know, intimacy of any kind, because then it gets a little like, ugh. You start to I like I don't know about you, I start to worry about like who's directing this and who's watching this and why they're watching it. How are they watching this?
SPEAKER_02Right. Um one thing I wanted to get your opinion on. I always think it's funny how like taboo sex is. Oh, yeah. But how but how accepted violence is.
SPEAKER_00That's a very American thing. That's an extremely American thing. I I've seen um like I've read articles where like it's the complete opposite in like the UK.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like nudity like overseas a lot of times, like they don't care. It's like a lot of countries.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they they're completely fine with sex. They're they're very like, ooh, sex jokes. Like they're they're weirdly like ooh about that. But like if you show, you know, two o'clock in the afternoon, kill Bill, they're gonna be like, what's happening? There's kids at home, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, it's it's strange. I really don't have like too much of a uh buffer with violence, but sex is one of those things where like if I see it, there is a little bit more of like a okay, how's this being presented? And I think I'm more worried less about that it's on screen and more of just is it being shown in the right way? Or in my right way, which you know, I know I sound like a weird, like waspy, like I'm gonna write to the FCC all of a sudden, but but you know, it's it is fascinating. I mean, what about you? Like, do you give a shit at all if you like it's kind of hard to think of an example, like I I wouldn't want, you know, American Pie showing uncensored uh like on TV.
SPEAKER_02No. Um I I just think that it's funny um how drastic the difference is between violence and sex to where like you can only like show like T V MA shows a lot of times, like you can't show like you you can only show an ass. You you can show a head exploding and everything. Right like that is like totally fine.
SPEAKER_00Dare show breasts though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like like oh don't don't go go there. It's like that's crazy. Like it's like you're like you're still traumatizing kids.
SPEAKER_00It's like just a different way, very you know, it's like well I I'm trying to remember where I was where someone started breastfeeding, it was like a restaurant, and someone started breastfeeding the restaurant, and it was no one gave a shit. Like it was like why she's feeding her kid, who gives a fuck? Yeah, but like they'll you'll I'll read stories where it's like this person. Was kicked out of this place because they were breastfeeding their child and they were arrested for indecent exposure, and you're like, fuck, man, really? Like, that seems like a weird thing. Um, actually, going back to violence really quickly, I remember working retail one time, and this um mom was buying some Minecraft t-shirts for her kid that was with her, and I was just like, Oh, Minecraft, like, cool, like just making conversation, and she was just like, I am so sick of Minecraft. I would much rather my kid play Call of Duty and just shoot people for hours on end than play one more minute of Minecraft. And I was like, Oh, so you're just like one of those bad parents. Got it. Like, I get your kids annoying and you're being frustrated, but like, you really you want your seven-year-old to be playing like gun shooty pow pow? Like, and call of duty's a lot more violent now than it was when we were kids, you know. Right. Like, it's it's so funny thinking about like how Mortal Kombat was the biggest fucking deal, and now it's just like if you look at our Mortal Kombat growing up, you're like, oh, look at these little JPEGs, how cute, how quaint.
SPEAKER_02And I think the the big thing is it's like it isn't the violence, it isn't the a sex, it's like understanding it, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like, you know, understanding you can't do this, this is right, like this is what what what this is.
SPEAKER_00Um that's actually something I I kind of want to give American Pie a little bit of credit for, which is one, you have some pretty decent um moral lessons in there, like Eugene Levy as the dad, he never really shames his son for fucking a pie.
SPEAKER_02That that's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which is is kind of rare.
SPEAKER_02Like you would think that that would be like if it was when the kids be fucking pies, you know, the parents are giving them shit.
SPEAKER_00Well, like, I feel like if that happened in like the 80s or whatever, it'd be like, my parents are gonna send me to military school now. And it's like Eugene's levy, like, has a conversation with his son about like, right, hey, you need to understand sex a little bit. Don't worry, I won't tell your mom that you fucked a pie. Um so it's like, oh wow, like he's actually like listening to his horny son because he probably had his own horny urges when he was younger. Um, but there's a moment in there where one of the guys calls his older brother and he says, like, hey, I need you to teach me how to like give a girl an orgasm. And the brother just says, like, like, why? Just so you can like have sex with people better. And the guy's like, No, I I really like her. I just wanted to like return a favor because she, you know, she's helped me so much, I want to be able to do it for her. And the brother actually said something along the lines of like, Oh, that's right. He's like, Oh, why? Do you want to get in her bed? And then he's like, I just want to make her feel like I do, and he's like, Great, now you qualify. Now I'll give you like, oh, he wasn't just like, let me teach you how to fuck a lady. He actually was like, I'm not gonna give you any help unless I know you're doing it for the right reasons and not just being like a guy who wants to just add some notches to his bed and then brag to his friends. Weirdly progressive for 1999.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there like thinking about it, because I haven't seen him in a while, there are the those moments in American Pie, and I feel like it's funny because like the American Pie series is one of those that like kind of does both. It's like you have those like grratuitous nudity scenes, but it's like it it it also like has some heart to it and stuff.
SPEAKER_00I'm I'm sure if we go to like the next sequels or like all the spinoffs like Band Camp and The Naked Mile, I'm sure all of those movies are long gone. And they they probably went straight to like women are objects again, high five, yeah.
SPEAKER_02The other street to DVD ones.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, oh for sure. Um there's something else I wanted to talk about in particular. Oh, actually, that's what it was. So this is gonna be a bit more personal. Um so in the movie, Eugene Levy does talk with his son. Ricky, did your parents ever have a sex talk with you?
SPEAKER_02They I I can't re-remember, like what was it? Was it FLA or like what was the thing we like did in school? FLA.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was like some like weird, um Oh, it was like a conference, like a theater conference thing?
SPEAKER_02No, it was like um the whole like sex ed thing in uh school. Like I think we we we first had it in elementary school, I think.
SPEAKER_00I I definitely remember having like sex ed pretty early on, but I I don't remember what the specific name of it was.
SPEAKER_02So like y y we would like do that, um, and it was like, you know, parents could like opt out, like like having their like kids do it and everything. So I can't remember if like I feel like it was around that time that that that like they they talked to me about it. You know what is so funny is like when I was little we used to get like uh cable like f for like free. Sure. Some somehow it was like a special thing. So we had the Playboy channel.
SPEAKER_00Ooh la la.
SPEAKER_02And I would always watch it, and like I didn't know what it was, but I enjoyed it. Like this this is good cinematography. And then like like my uh parents like found out and they were like losing it. They were like, what is it? What the so it's like they were like, you uh can't watch this, and I was like, I don't know why. Um so like I still watched it and like they like caught like like me and my my friend watching it one one.
SPEAKER_00Oh you watched it with a buddy, oh cute. It was a girl. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah, and uh you put that in a script right now.
SPEAKER_02But uh yeah it's like I I can't remember like exactly like um like when the uh talk happened or everything. I do re remember when I first l looked at porn. Um I felt uh I felt like I was doing something like really wrong. So I like did it guilt. So I like did it and then I went up to my parents crying like I I did this. And like they were and like they and like they were like, oh it's okay.
SPEAKER_03Like you know, it's it's it's okay.
SPEAKER_02Like that's so funny. Yeah. And then the next time I gave my computer a virus. Oh hell yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was huge in our time. Like now like every computer has built-in anti-software and like even the browsers can be.
SPEAKER_02But uh, yeah, and it's like I was very like, um That's so cute. I was like very shy and everything, and it's like I would like talk about it with like friends and everything, but like, you know, all my friends were were like more like active, I guess, and I was just like, I guess my time will come one day and everything. And yeah, no.
SPEAKER_00I I'm I'm kinda with you. Like, I I wasn't really a porn person growing up, like I just I don't know, I just well, I wasn't really my thing. But I remember going over to a friend's house who had his own computer, and I I distinctly remember like he would tell us, Hey, I'm gonna look at porn now, you guys go into the room, and like my my friend and I would go into the room, play Halo while our other friends just jerking it on the computer. And like that was just normal to us. Like that I remember I've told that story to a few people and everyone's like, What the fuck? And I was like, Does this is this not a normal story? It's just not what happens.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's like, you know, what is normal when you're a kid? It's like anything, you know, can be like like, you know, you're like learning, and that is like the the big thing. It's like That is why people who like there there are some things that are unforgivable. It's like, you know, if you're like going out like murdering someone, it's like, alright, you know, you you you should like know the difference. But it's like sometimes when like these people are like getting cancelled or whatever, it's like things they like said as like a teenager or like did and it's like you're you're ignorant, you're you're stupid. It's like you're you're gonna make mistakes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you have to let people make mistakes.
SPEAKER_02So you're you're telling me you didn't do anything like stupid and everything, and there's like um, oh, there's a great Simpson joke where uh Bart gets the the the earring and Homer's like so upset by it, and uh Bart is like, oh, you never did anything like this, and Homer's like, well, when I was 10 I got my ear pierced, but this is totally different. And it was like, you know, it's it's just come on, man. So good. Everyone does stupid shit like that.
SPEAKER_00Can I tell you the dumbest thing? Um to let you know how naive I was as a kid. I was um probably like this was probably like seventh or eighth grade, and I remember uh this story is called The First Time I Saw a Thong. And Oh, this this girl was sitting in front of me, and I started to see like her underwear waistband, and I noticed, I was like, what what the hell's wrong with it? And it was, you know, just one waistband, and then I saw like skin, waistband, skin, and I was like, what? And then like it went down like a triangle and then back to I was like, what the fuck is this? And like I wasn't even looking at it as like a like, oh boy, a girl's underpants. Like I see you like break out your magnifying glass. Like, excuse me, Heather. I should bleep out her name. Now there's a million Heathers in the world. Um But I remember looking at it. I knew he was looking. So this is how dumb I was. I remember looking at it and getting confused, and I went, oh my god, duh, I know exactly what this is. She's poor. She she clearly can't afford full underwear.
SPEAKER_02That's the greatest thing. That's why she's wearing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's I I remember, like, days later, someone was making fun of her, like, uh, she's a slut. Because you know when you're a middle school boy, every girl's a slut because boys are so cool. Um, and I remember someone like making fun of her like as she walked by, and I kind of went, like, guys, come on, man. She like, be nice to her, she's poor. Like, we shouldn't be making fun of her.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Brandon got her good, man. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00No, guys, really. It's gonna sound like I'm lying. People actually stopped making fun of her because they're like, oh damn, she's poor. Like, you know, we shouldn't make fun of her, like, she's less to do well than all of us. Weird amount of empathy for middle schoolers. Thank God, not a single person was like, How do you know? All I do remember I remember this so fucking clearly. So when we went to go pay for lunch one day, this girl, Heather, was in front of us and her card got rejected because like so that just happened at school sometimes. Cool thing that happens in our first world country making children pay for lunches. Um but her, you know, card got declined, and it's happened all of us a thousand times, but because she was poor, everyone saw it and went, Oh yeah, yeah, no, of course she got it declined, she was poor. And like someone else bought her lunch that day. And like, I think I made the world a better place for this girl. All because I had no idea what a thong was.
SPEAKER_02It would have been great if she like found out you were like telling people she was poor and like came up and just kicked in the ball.
SPEAKER_00Why are you saying I'm poor? I I hope she never found out why people were being so nice to her, and then like after she got out of high school, she's like, Man, everyone used to be so nice to me. What the fuck happened? People used to do me things. People you would just give me gifts all the time. Like, it was why did that stop? That would be amazing. It's like she never knew. I ruined her life. Like, she didn't learn how to become self-sufficient because that moment.
SPEAKER_02She's like still to this day, like wondering why that happened.
SPEAKER_00Oh man. Yeah, kids are stupid, dude. They're just absolutely dumb. They really are. They are really, really dumb.
SPEAKER_02Um not anymore, though. Nope.
SPEAKER_00Nope. We've never made a mistake ever. Nope. Definitely not anywhere recorded on any of our podcasts.
SPEAKER_02Nope. Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, it's I I feel like I don't know, maybe we should get together one day and talk about all the more like wacky, uh, crazy things that happen in our high school, and we'll just turn it into our own high school uh coming of age sex comedy.
SPEAKER_02That would be pr pretty cool. Like what I'll say is like I I hope like it does seem like they aren't as common, but I hope that um, you know, people still make them and it's like because like we're we've all been, you know, that age and everything. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's always gonna be related.
SPEAKER_02I mean it's like in like it's like it can be so r relatable and like yeah, it can be tough to like l look back on, but also like funny, like, oh my gosh, like I totally did that, and like so so you so yeah, I mean, I I I hope they aren't like dead and like we'll we'll we'll we'll get more and everything.
SPEAKER_00I think comedies in general are just hard to make now just because it feels like people don't see them that often.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like I mean, I know the movies in general are kind of going down as far as financial like backing, but yeah, I think comedies are always kind of a death trap. Because even if they have amazing cast, amazing writing, and they're very funny, people just go like, I'll c I'll catch it when it's on you know, Hulu or Netflix in a couple months.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I feel like Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, the big budget like movies, like the Marvel ones and everything. People are always gonna go for for those. Um horror, I think, you know, everyone loves a scare.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, horror weirdly does well. It's so yeah, it's so funny to me that maybe that goes back into our thing of you know, people are totally fine with violence. Like, violence is more acceptable than like comedy or nudity, and you know, and comedy often has nudity in it, because let's be honest, our bodies are very funny and stupid. Yeah, right. That's that's honestly been some of my favorite like relationships or sexual encounters I've had is like when we've been kind of like kind of laughing at our dumb bodies. I've definitely been with some people that have been like, man, balls are stupid. I'm like, yeah, they are. You're right. They sure are stupid. You damn right. Thanks for noticing, girl. Old stupid balls. Oh, that's too good. Um, I I wonder. Uh maybe I'll save it for uh after. Might be too too a risque story to share on on this. You know what? Sign up for our Patreon that we don't have, folks. Pay us people. Give us money to hear our high school sex stories. I I did not actually have sex until after high school. I had plenty of girlfriends, but I I never actually wanted to uh get too close romantically. I was a little like I was a shy boy. I was a very cute shy boy. I was a I was a real tease, I was a real whore.
SPEAKER_02Well, you were there when I lost my ver virginity. Yeah, yeah, you fucked me. No, no.
SPEAKER_00I was like, Ricky, no, wrong person.
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SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, I absolutely remember. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That'll always be there.
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SPEAKER_00Oh man. Well, Ricky, do you have any l final thoughts here on anything uh about the movies we discussed, the genre as a whole? Do you have any fun stories you want to tell before we disappear into this good night?
SPEAKER_02I don't think so. I mean, I think we covered a lot, and um, yeah, just uh if you haven't seen any of the films we we covered, go out and uh broaden your horizons, as they say.
SPEAKER_00They sure do. They say that all the time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Kids these days. These kids and their old fashioned idioms. I think that's one thing I actually did like about watching some of these more modern like comedies, is because like in no hard feelings, they do have some of the same beats of like, here's a wacky high school party where kids are getting drunk, but the difference that that like high school party is that they're all kind of um not polite, but they're they're not as like uh rambunctious in that manner, the way that they would be in Animal House. In fact, I think in the party scene in No Heart Feelings, the parents are there. Like, yeah, yep. Yeah, because there's a great line of just like, why are your parents here? Like, you think Jonathan would hit throw a party without his parents being here to supervise? Yeah. So gross. Uh oh, I did, you know, I'll I'll and I'll I'll end on one fun story. I did go to one high school party when I was in high school, don't worry. I wasn't like this wasn't last week. Um hey, fellow kids. What do you think of my space? Pretty cool, right? Well, the cops are here. Um there there was one thing in American Pie that I did go like, oh, that was weirdly relatable to me, which is uh um I also made out with the foreign exchange student when I was in high school. Oh nice. Yeah. She was uh um uh from Chile, I believe. And it was very funny because I remember I was leaving the party and one first she was trying to be like, Are you okay to drive? Are you okay? And I didn't even drink anything, I was just there. Like again, I went to these things to hang out with friends, but I was always like, Water, please! You know, do you have any diet, Dr. Pepper or whatever? Um but like a square Me! I know how to lockpick. It's one of my many hobbies next to stamp collecting. Oh, high school. Like, I was like leaving the party, and this girl like ran out to chase after me, and she like I rolled down my window and she's like kissing me through, and she's going, like, don't go, don't go. And I'm like, this is the closest I'll ever be in Casablanca, being like, sorry, doll, but we gotta get out of here. Like if you don't get on this plane, if you don't what plane? If you don't get into your Uber and head home, you're gonna regret it the rest of your life. America's weird. America sure is strange. Wow, things sure are violent here. Ah, high school. Full circle. Oh, hell yeah. Well, thank you for listening to another episode of a mostly film podcast. I've been Brandon. With me, as always, is Ricky. And of course, please go watch some movies.
SPEAKER_03Bye.