BOO! Horror Movie Icons!

Ricky and Brandon discuss horror movie icons from the history of film and what does, or doesn't, make them so iconic.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a mostly film podcast. We are the indulgers of icons, the hypers of horror, the devourers of danger. My name is Brandon, and with me as always is Ricky. Ricky, how are you today?

SPEAKER_02 0:44

I was fine until then. Now I'm scared. Scared.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

What part scared you? Was it before or was it does alliteration scare you? Is that what was scary? I mean, it's a little bit of both. You had to like add them both together, and I'm like, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

I pick a pack of peppers. Oh God. Stop it. Stop it right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Oh man. No, I'm I'm excited about today's episode. We have some this is gonna be a bit more of a possibly a laid back episode, but we're gonna delve into something very fun. Ricky, uh, why don't you tell the audience what our topic is today?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

We are covering horror movie icons.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

That's right. And I know you're what you're thinking, it's May, the scariest month ever. This is appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. April showers bring May flowers, and May flowers are horrifying. They bring bees, and bees are scary. Yeah, see, you get it. My sniffles. Actually, Ricky, we we did have a horror episode not too long ago, but I wanted to ask you something that I don't think I asked you before. What does scare you?

SPEAKER_02 2:00

What are you scared of? Well, I mean, like, personally, like, my my big fear, I I hate bugs. Like, bugs, yeah. I didn't know that. Like, any of them? Like worms or I I can handle like some like like worms I'm usually fine with, like ants, you know, like the common like spiders, I ain't a fan of bees, nah. Um I think it's like like if I can like hear it and like feel it and like can't see it, or or it's like even if I can see it, but but like I don't know what it is, I'm like, oh god, oh no. Like what is happening? It's gonna kill me. Yeah, yeah. This is gonna get in my skin and like burrow. Like just like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

That's like the the mummy, the Brendan Fraser mummy movie. That movie scarred me as a child because of those beetles that go into the people's skin. Like it still freaks me out. No, I'm I'm kind of with you though. Bees, bees are a big fear of mine. I do not like bees. Really hate them. So what about like spiders, scorpions, snakes? Are those scary to you at all? Or is it just the creepy crawley?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Yeah, spiders definitely. Um snakes, you know, like they're they're like creepy, but it's like I'd say I think because they're bigger, it's like, alright, that is a snake, clearly. You can see it coming.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Oh, it's like you lost all the surprise, Copperhead.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Um, scorpions, uh, no thank you.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Um, I lived in Tucson. I got to experience all of that.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Yeah, well did uh you experience scorpions pretty frequently at the very end.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

We never saw a scorpion, and then my wife and I were leaving our apartment, and I see one on the wall right next to the light uh on our outside light, and my first thought was like, please don't see this. Please don't see like let's just keep walking. And then she saw it and then was paranoid for like the next like raining like two weeks that we were living there.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah, that is like part of why, like, when I was younger, I really wanted to go to Australia, and then once I got older, it's like you like hear about all these crazy ass bugs they have, and I'm like, damn it, like this seems like a cool place, but nah.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

No, everything there is there to kill you. Yeah, right. I think Tucson actually made me less freaked out by bugs, snakes, and you know, spiders because you kind of saw them pretty frequently. The one that still freaked me out though in Tucson uh were the uh tarantula hawks. Have you are you familiar with these? Tarantula hawks, they are uh a flying insect. They have a stinger, so they're basically like bees or wasps, but their stinger is so painful that if you look up the like what to do if stung by a tarantula hawk, the instructions and the advice is to get on the floor and scream. Because the sting is so painful, it's considered the second most painful sting in the world, right behind the bullet ant. And it's apparently so bad that like your arm, wherever you get stung, will like basically tense up, you will just lose its ability to function for a while. And the reason for that is tarantula hawks, they actually sting tarantulas, not to kill them, but it keeps them alive, and then they put their like babies inside the tarantulas, and then they are born inside of the tarantulas and kill them from the inside out. That's what these bugs do.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

See now, this is why. This right right here.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

And you're scared of bugs.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Yeah, right. What a wood. Kind of fear, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

After my wedding, I threw water on a tarantula hawk without realizing it. Because we were I was dumping out some of the vases, uh, vases, excuse me, from our wedding uh venue the day after. And I'm just kind of like absent-mindedly throwing stuff and dumping the water, and then I opened the door, threw the water, hit the tarantula hawk, and they're big, like they're you know, a good couple, like five, six inches big. Um, and the thing, like it like it did it that, and I was like, Oh, and I tried to slam the door shut, but it was one of those like doors that like catches on a hinge, so it's like we're just gonna slowly shut. I'm like, you son of a bitch. And this door's designed to kill me.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

It's like the the tarantula hawk's like slowly walking up. I'm gonna get you.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

That really is a horror movie. All right, let's let's write a tarantula hawk horror film. Let's make that the new icon.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

I just don't want to think about pass out from fear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Well, let's jump into it then. Let's talk about icons. Ricky, I want to start with what makes an icon iconic to you?

SPEAKER_02 6:54

Um so I was trying to think about it like it's kind of tough, cause like I was thinking about like like ones that that that like, you know, have held up to history. Um the ones that are like, you know, were around in like the thirties and like are still around today. Um but also like I feel like I I guess if it is like the uh the the Baba Duke is like a recent one. That was like that one was like pretty iconic, but it's only from one film.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Do you think just being from one film doesn't count as giving an idea?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

I feel like it's kind of tougher to like become an icon um when like you just have one film, like a lot of the ones that I have listed, um like they're like a series, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

See, I I was curious about that, and then I have a question for you then. Would you consider Norman Bates an icon? One movie. Technically, there are more psychos. I guess you know what that's that's is fair. What about Reagan from The Exorcist? She's only in the first one, correct?

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Or is she in-cause I've never seen Exorcist 2 or whatever there we think Linda Blair comes back um for at least one of the sequels, but that was one that I was wondering. And like, um there's also like Damien from from the Omen. It's like he's in others. Um so like, yeah, it's it it's tough. I mean, I I think, you know, the fact that that like we're we're like talking about him, I mean, maybe they that they could. And actually, the Exorcist is interesting, cause like who's the villain in that? It's the devil, really. I mean, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

So But the little girl is whoever goes because she's the one who gets possessed, Reagan's the one who is the conduit.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yeah, I mean, but overall, I guess the devil's like the main villain in those like series, and then it just possesses whoever. But yeah, I mean, she's very i iconic in those.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Now, when you think of horror movie icons, I I mean, I'm I know I did this. Do you go straight to villains, or do you ever think about protagonists then as an icon? Can protagonists be an icon to you for a horror film?

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Um I was only focusing on the villains. Um, it's like, but then it's like the scream queens. Um those are like a big thing. I'm trying to think of like big like males.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Like big male protagonist?

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

The first one I thought of was Ash Williams from The Evil Dead. Ooh, that's yeah. Like that, that is a franchise where I think people know the hero more than they know the villains.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Um, except like that's about it. Like that's the only thing I could really pull off the room.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Yeah, and like the so like the newer Evil Deads, they've kind of done away with that. Like, like the first one, the girl is like an homage. Yeah. But like they're like very much like darker, like more serious. They've kind of gone away from the comedy.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Yeah, it's no nowhere near as campy or like the horror film.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Yeah. But yeah, like besides Ash. Yeah, I can't really.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah, I mean, every every horror film that I could think of, it is always the final girl. There's really no final boy or main boy protagonist that isn't ending up being like, I I guess you could maybe argue like Patrick Wilson in The Conjuring or theoretically Insidious, but like that's sort of a dual role with uh Vera Farminga in the Conjuring and Rose Byrne in Insidious, like it's always a husband-wife combo, not necessarily just like one guy. Yeah, and all that. I wonder why that is. I've never really thought of that. I wonder why horror tends to go like final girl. Like, why is that the trope? Is it because like women feel just more inherently like innocent, or we feel more like more prone to be like we should protect them as opposed to like some.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, it's like we like feel for them more. Yeah. Whereas a guy, it's like you know, like, oh, this guy can like take care of himself, but like the woman's like so helpless and everything, I think.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Oh, we could. I'm sure someone can make a deep thing of like if that's technically sexist or positive or progressive or what. I'm sure someone I'm not meant smart enough.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

I think it probably started out that way, but then like, you know, you have Nev Campbell and Screen. Right. Or like, you know, just pure badass. Yeah, Jamie Lee, definitely. Lori Strode. Yeah, so yeah, I think they get more um, hey, we can fight back like like more empowered women, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Yeah. I mean, looking even at all the fear streets, a lot of those leads were all women who fought back and you know went against the the evil spirits or ghosts or monsters or man, that franchise is so good. We should rewatch those and that should be a whole episode we can do.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Yeah, those don't really fit in like I icons, I feel like. No, but those are like careers and I think yeah, no. But let's let's make a great horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Let's go back to Lori Strode because I also did the same thing of I went with villains as icons, like it was so much easier to come up with villains than protagonists as the icons. And I think one thing I was thinking of was like, what is a character people can point out, know the name of? Maybe not even know the movie, but they go, Oh, I know who that is because they're so iconic.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

First, I wanna I don't know know if you did this, but I wanna start earlier.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Oh, yeah, I sure did. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Like, like, so I think from what I know, like Noseferatu was probably like like the the first big one. Oh yeah. Um, and that was the l mid-twenties. Um was uh Mer Murna's Nose for Atu, and that was like a big thing. And then after that came like the universal horror in the 30s.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

I definitely have those written down.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yeah, which was Dracula, Wolfman, Frankenstein's monster, the invisible man, um Creature of the Black Lagoon. Yeah, Creature of the Black Lagoon. Those were like the big ones, the early ones. Um so yeah, those were were like the first like real i icons.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Oh yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

To to me.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

It's funny, my I think my introduction to Nosferatu might be the same with yours. Maybe not, but mine of course was from SpongeBob SquarePants, where they have a throwaway gag of Nosferatu's flipping on and off the lights. And as a kid, I didn't really know what it was referring to. I just thought it was really funny.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

No clue. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah, it was very funny because it's it's just a scene, like a slightly edited scene from the Nosferatu film. Yeah. But it was still like I mean that that's that's a strange barrier to be like, we're gonna make a Nosferatu reference in this children's cartoon that came out literally 70 years later. Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Um, yeah, I don't think I saw the the original um maybe like 10 years ago or or so. Um and like I've I've seen it a couple times. It's very much that German expressionism like uh film. Um and then but I mean they're they're like creepier also with like because those silent movies, some of them were like doing like different like color effects. Um like using like red instead of like just like pure like black and white, like different colors, yeah. It was like um really like adding something to like the mood of the film. Um so yeah, like but yeah, I had no idea w what this was, and then I found out about it later and I was like, oh, that's what that SpongeBob thing was referencing. Um Yeah, and then comes the big surge in the 30s.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah, you you want to talk Universal?

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Let's go into it. Do you have any thoughts or would you like me to set you up with some questions here?

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Um, yeah, throw throw some some questions out.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Um Yeah, so the the first thing I was thinking of uh when it came to Universal was what makes these creatures so ubiquitous that they are still getting remakes, we're still getting Dracula movies, we're still getting Frankenstein. Now, granted, they're in the public domain, so maybe that kind of is just a cheap way to get uh recognizable characters on screen, but people are still going to see them, they're still getting nominated for awards. The Invisible Man even had uh that movie just a few years ago that was uh I don't I don't know if it's technically like still Invisible Man, but it was definitely Invisible Man and Jason, and it was great.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Yeah, like like so um Lee Wanell, he uh directed that and he directed the Wolfman too. Yeah. His Invisible Man, great Wolfman, awful. Um it yeah, which really disappointed me. Um they're it's like they're like re remaking the universal horrors, but like putting like a new spin on them. Um I guess because like they're they're they're even older. Like I know Dracula was a book, um Frankenstein by Mary Shelley's a book. Um I don't know if like I don't really know about the Wolf Man. I'm assuming that is like based off like an old like folk folklore thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Like um, I'm sure it is.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Uh the mummy, I mean, mummies were were were real, and then I mean they just go with like the idea of them coming to life, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Um I mean that's the same thing with just zombies too. Like you have all of all of like Romero's work, but even though zombies are constantly used in everything, and especially like in the 2000s, man, they were everywhere. I don't think of zombies as like a singular zombie, right? Like there's not like Ted the zombie who is like the guy. So did you put zombies down as an icon? No, I I didn't. I didn't because because even though they are a massive horror trope and have been used in every movie, TV show, and video game known to man, because there isn't like a singular thing. Same with vampires. Like we go Dracula. We know Dracula, but vampires exist as like their own group, but we still go Dracula.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

There isn't a Dracula for zombies that I think of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

No, I really can't think of anything. And there's always been a bunch of cool takes, but again, there's never been a singular zombie that you go, oh, I'm gonna go see this zombies franchise, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:59

I wonder if the universal horrors, if they were like huge flops, if we would like I feel like I know Guillermo Del Del Toro, huge fan of like the original uh Frankenstein. Oh, for sure. Um, and Bride of Frankenstein, and then he he just did his Frankenstein that came out last year. Um I don't I don't know if he was like a huge fan of the book as well. Like if I don't know if the book is so loved that it still would have like gotten made. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

It's hard to say because I feel like I've anyone I know who's read the book constantly says like there's no movie that adapts it correctly. A lot of people think that there really isn't a close call. I think some people said maybe Guillermo's was a little closer. Uh I actually have never read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I planned to this year. I read Dracula last year and I really liked it. Um But I I've only known Frankenstein, I mean uh I guess we should be a little pedantic here. Frankenstein's monster. Um But you know, I did watch the original Frankenstein uh a couple days ago, and I did really like it, and it is fun to watch you know how much cinema has evolved since, but there are still some really gorgeous shots in that movie and some wonderful uh writing and and development in it. But as I'm watching it, I'm I there was never a moment that I went, oh, this is why people have latched onto this forever and ever. I I couldn't really find a reason like if that if someone if Frankenstein didn't exist before then and someone just made a Frankenstein movie now, I think it'd probably be like, that was cool, and I don't know if it would be franchised or recognizable. So I it's I'm curious, what do you think about Dracula, Frankenstein, Wolfman? What about these these universal creatures that did last people? Was it just because it was so new and weird?

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Honestly. Maybe it's cause so like now we have like the internet and everything, and like I feel like it's less creepy now. Like the the the creepier now are the ones to me at least based in reality. Um whereas back then, I mean, it's like maybe it's like, hey, if a crazy scientist could like do this, like maybe you could like reanimate like uh a corpse or whatever, and bring in science monster could be a thing, or like I don't know, I feel like Dracula's just like kinda Kind of I feel like vampires are like so popular in general. Um I don't know, i it's like I I the ones that that came later, they make more more sense t to me. We're like, yeah, it's because I mean they're more related to like us, you know, what what we we experienced, but we weren't around in the 30s and like so yeah, I I haven't really researched that to where like what the audience is the audience reaction, I guess. I know they were well re received. Um yeah, I don't think any of them were like flops. Really.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

No, I I think they all did very, very well, and I think anyone kind of involved in those movies tended to you know have lucrative careers.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

So maybe it really was just the fact that you know the medium was still pretty new, all things considered.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

And I mean I think like this was early horror, so I mean it's like, you know, hey, like like this is like a creepier thing than like for you.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

I didn't even know you could do movies like this. Like this is yeah, I mean, very well could be that just the first thing there, so it's just like, dude, we saw this movie where this scientist put a corpse together. Holy crap. Um actually, re-watch or watching it for the first time, one thing I did really enjoy about the movie is that Dr. Frankenstein isn't really portrayed as like a mad scientist in a lot of ways. He actually is quite eloquent and uh well spoken, and he just also was like, I just think I should give this a shot. Like he's very nonchalant in a lot of ways. And then when he's actually doing his experiments, that's when you get the classic, like, he's alive and all that fun stuff, which you know is a wonderful scene and still cool. I think that is one thing watching that movie where I went the set design in it, that is pretty iconic in itself, too. And you just go, This is cool, man. I like this crazy lab.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Yeah, and uh Bride of Frankenstein's uh really great too. Um the sequel, and it's funny because like the bride is so iconic. She's like in that movie at like the very end, and like that is it. Like, spoiler, like like that's like she's so iconic, her like image, she's barely in it.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Like there's you know, there's a couple things I have on my my notes here that are pretty similar where like the icon doesn't appear until later. Um I don't want to jump too far ahead. I'll we'll let's finish up the universal section with this. Which universal creature would you like to see a movie now?

SPEAKER_02 24:56

I mean, we we've been seeing um um Frankenstein last year was was good. Um The Invisible Man that that was recent was good. I guess I would like to see a really good wolf man. Um like I always think you you can like do like creative things with that. Like um, like in American Werewolf in London. Like, like I mean that is like, you know, based off, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

There was a werewolf horror film that came out not too long ago, and I'm I remember seeing the trailers for it, and I don't know anyone who saw it or where it went. First thing that came up was 2024 werewolves, but I don't think that's it.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Got it. Was it? Did you really? Of course you did. You saw everything.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Um I think I would love to see a creature from the Black Lagoon.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

That one I think was the 50s. I think once so like that one was like like I think it's still like can considered like a universal, but that one, like I I would say that's probably the least iconic one, just because it hasn't had any real to like see what someone could do with it now.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

One thing I noticed when I was kind of going over my the icons that popped in my head as opposed to um like just lists or whatever, is that a lot of my icons typically were more people. Um I I think that's something that we don't see a lot anymore, is like monster monster movies. Now you said Baba Duck, and that's more monster-ish slash maybe ghost um metaphor. Um but I feel like especially when we get into like the 70s and 80s, that's when you get a lot of just people are the monsters.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

I think or humanoid type people. It was probably the golden age.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

So um I did a ranking, and like I think my top two icons are both from the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

I assume your number one is probably Michael Myers. No, he's probably my number two. Would you put Leatherface as your number one? Really? You think Leatherface is more iconic than Michael Myers?

SPEAKER_02 27:40

I think Michael Myers is more iconic. You just like Leatherface more. But I think Leatherface, like Texas Chainsaw in general, is scarier.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

That first movie still is fucking intense, man.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

So like B before I had like seen it, I was like really scared to like see it. Everyone will was like, this is like the scariest thing ever, it's like the goriest thing ever. And like by by today's standards, very tame. Um but like, you know, I I had like heard, oh, this is like based off a true story and everything, and like uh, you know, um, but yeah, like that's just there's such a like it's shot in a way, like kind of like a documentary, I guess an indie like thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Yeah, it's it's so low budget. It almost feels like it's not a found footage by any means, or but like it definitely has a lot of the same uh feelings of a found footage movie because it it is like I I don't think any actors were like big famous names, so it did just feel like you were watching just random people, random friends, and then shit goes a little wrong.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Yeah. Now I And just the idea of a chainsaws, like yeah, that that first movie is really upsetting, especially that scene at the end where it's it feels like a very long time of them all at the dinner table, just like yelling and screaming, and it's it is quite uncomfortable to watch. Which I think is kind of masterful, like even now, like watching that. Like you said, the maybe the violence isn't as like scary to us because it things have gotten so much more intense and crazy. But I think there's almost a weird fear in just like the situation, the situation that they tie up there of just being at that dinner table, her tied, and like everyone's like cheering and laughing and screaming, and she's like losing her mind, and like they're just like screaming in her face. Like, yo, this is really hard to watch.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

Yeah, and like just Leatherface as an imposing figure is just like Yeah, like wearing the the skin of someone else. And actually, like so Leatherface to an extent and Norman Bates. Um both of these characters were loosely based off Ed Gean. Um serial killer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Oh wow, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Yeah, he would like skin as victims and like kind of like cross-dressed and like yeah, he was a rather creepy individual.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

One of those things was not like the other.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Come on, man, the cross dress and whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

No, but by that logic, Martin Lawrence is halfway to being a killer.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Dude, don't even get me started on Big Mama side.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

I would love it if as soon as we finish this podcast, we'd like open the news, it's like Martin Lawrence arrested for killing 45 people. We're like, damn, okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Told you, he was literally telling us. No, but but um yeah, like just wearing the skin of someone else is uh rather creepy.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

It's not a nice thing to do. I'll say it. Yeah. It's rude. Yeah. I I'm curious because both with like Michael Myers, Leatherface, and actually even some of the other 80s icons, do you think their icon status gets damaged or improved with every single sequel? Because I mean I've seen all the Texas Chainsaw Massacres, and there's honestly maybe two and a half good movies in that entire franchise.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

I think that is the thing, right? Like, um, if they're they're not good, I think it damages it.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

But you I mean I think Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a terrible franchise, over like all things considered. Yet I would agree with you, Leatherface is probably a top three at worst iconic character.

unknown 31:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

So like that's how good that first movie is, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Yeah, so so I mean, I I feel like it damages them, but it's like, you know, you you still have like that one great, you know, film. Um and I mean, even if the film like um isn't great, I mean, if the character's just creepy as hell, like, you know, it can stand out.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Um well then actually I kind of want to jump ahead then because one of the things I was looking at was like the 2020s. Like, have there been any even like the 2010s to the 2020s, have there been any real icons? You said the Baba Duck, which I think is a good uh good call. Maybe Pennywise, even though like Pennywise has been, you know, redone a few times, that's probably a big one. But I would say the two biggest newer ones would probably be Megan from the Megan movies and Art the Clown from Terrified.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Art Art the Clown is the big one for me. I hate the Terrifier films. Um I've seen one and two. Um two has like so the Terrifier films, like they're very over-the-top gore. Um and like it's done in a way like that it's like the special effects are rather realistic. Um I don't like the huge graphic violence toward women in those films. It's like it doesn't sit well with me.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

I haven't actually seen these movies, but a horror buff friend of mine also kind of said the same thing where he's like, he's like, they're whatever films he's he kind of described them as almost fetishistic in a way. Yes. Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Uh-huh. But it's like critics have been like very high on them. And um it's like I know they have a huge audience, but it's like it's not for for me. And in general, like I'm not a big gore person. It's like I'm not, you know, a fan of the torture porn like like types. I'm more like, you know, oh, this is creepy. Like, this is But do you still like slashers though?

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Like, would you like the Halloween's? Yeah. So as long as it like Yeah. As long as the kills are kind of brutal, but not like to what? Like there's like you have a line basically of like, ah, that's this is you're gilding Olivia bit.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

I haven't seen the hostile films, but I've like heard them described as like, you know, torture porn. It's like just like, oh, we're like so focused on the gore and it's like trying to gross out.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

As opposed to like maybe telling a story.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Yeah, and like the Halloween movies, it's like some of them can be like, you know, gory and everything, but it's like it that that's not all they are. Like, like they don't rely on that. Um like the uh terrifier films, like art the clown creepy looking, super creepy looking, but it's like those films, it's like, alright, what are they like like how graphic is this next kill gonna be? It's like the shock of it, like that is what they're they're about. Um, and like there's like a kill in like the uh second movie that might be like the worst thing I've seen um in a film. It's like do tell. Like, well, I mean it it's just like it kind of makes me sick, like like thinking about it, but it's like you know, he does it to like this young girl, like kills her and everything, and it's like he's like playing with her and stuff, like and then it's like um that like ends, and then her mother like comes in and it's like she's been like she's been like tortured and everything, and she's like still alive. Um it's like yeah, it's just like I don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

You know, it's like yeah, and it's well then let me let me ask you this then. We'll we'll move on from uh terrifier. Um with with the 2020s, we have some other pretty big horror films, and actually one thing I embarrassingly did, um, but I think this is a good good way to kind of get an idea of the cultural uh pulse that it might have. The new scary movie did make parodies, at least from the trailer, of um uh of goodness, what was it called? Uh of Megan. They made parodies of uh long legs. Would you would you consider long legs? Like they made a parody, I think, of Weapons, Aunt Gladys in Weapons, who is getting her sequel, so does that start giving her some of that? Oh, really? Yeah, that it's like in the works that she's gonna get her own like little origin story, uh Zack Krager directing it again. But does that start pushing them, or even like the the character in black phone? I'm blanking on the actual character's name, but is that laying the foundation? Yeah, the grabber? Yes. Um is that starting to lay down the foundation to make these bigger icons? Or are do you think any of these characters are already big icons, at least of now?

SPEAKER_02 37:34

No, not to me. I think Gladys. Like Gladys is a great character, creepy character. Um and like that uh I I I just thought of Pearl, I guess. From uh That's a great choice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

And Pearl X, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Um Maxine. Um yeah, like I don't know. I guess they they aren't like super like villainous, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

And like Megan in a way is kind of like anti-hero now, and in the second one, I think she kind of is a bit more of like an anti-hero, isn't she?

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Yeah. Um like Nick Nicholas Cage and Long Legs, very i iconic, I guess, but I don't know how many people are like seeing that. Um I think of like like jig jigsaw's like uh probably the last big 2000s yeah um jigsaw and then art the the the clown kind of sticks out to me, but like jig jigsaw's like the big one, and then before him was probably Ghostface from the Scream franchise.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

I mean, yeah, Ghostface, maybe Chucky, which was that kind of that late 80s, early 90s would be another big one. So it almost feels like the biggest, it almost like the way at least correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your icons are kind of decreasing in iconicness as time moves on. That it feels like maybe you just need more time with each character for them to pass that legacy test? Like in 20 years, are we gonna remember long legs or Carrie or not Carrie, excuse me, long legs or um uh um Megan or Art? Like, are they still gonna have that impact? Would that make you go, like, okay, in 20 years from now, if we're still talking about long legs or long legs 5 comes out, then yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

Yeah, and I mean I feel like it's like um they've also tr transcended, I guess, pop pop culture. It's like, you know, Chucky's like super popular, um, ghost face, huge. It's like people are dr are dressing up as like ghost face, like people know who like Chucky is. Um, people are dressing up as Jigsaw. It's like they they know.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Um that is a good measure, actually. Next time, next Halloween when the kids are going all around, I want to see because I did see like some 10-year-olds dressed up as Ghostface, like still to this day.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

I mean, that is just a cool mask, you know, in general.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

I have no idea if they even knew what it was or things. This is a bloody machete, how fun.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Like uh art's terrifying. I mean, it's like you know, so I don't know, and it's like I wouldn't ever show I wouldn't show adults terrifier like you know, it's like um so like yeah, it's I I don't know. That is like the big one that I'm like, alright, this has gained a lot of popularity. I think he's working on the fourth film now. Um but like I don't think it's on the level as Jigsaw yet, and that is like the last big one for me.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Yeah, I I remember, and also I I mean we're obviously not teenagers anymore, so we can't really surround ourselves with people who might have seen a lot of these movies as frequently, but like I remember being in high school, I had friends telling me, like, because I never saw Saul until like kind of recently. Same. Um, and I will say the first Saul, kind of fantastic. Yeah, I was very impressed with how good it actually was. I think I saw Saul 3 first and didn't care for it because I thought it was the same thing of like, ah, this is just torture porn, who cares? But I had friends in high school telling me, like, getting to my face, be like, no, no, you don't understand Jigsaw's actually a good guy if you think about it. And I'm like, no, don't. And like, no one's gotten in my face to tell me that. Like, if you think about it, Pennywise is kind of a good dude. Like, like, I don't know. The kids that got bullied for being gay, they deserve to be attacked by that killer code, too.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Don't reach your hand in a sewer, alright? You know.

unknown 42:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Parents tell people not to talk to strangers. If you talk to strangers and get murdered, it's your fault. If you think about it, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I don't think you do.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Um That that was actually one thing I was uh considering, which is when I was looking up some characters and stuff, I found out like so many of these characters had representation in a lot of weird spin-off shows or had their own like things. So like right now there's a Stephen King like Pennywise TV show out. Uh I found out there was a Freddie Krueger TV show called Freddy's Nightmares.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

When did that come out?

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Was that like uh I think 90s, maybe? I think uh uh 88 was when it came out 44 episodes.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Damn. So that was um like pretty recent, because like I think that the first one was 84.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Yeah, Robert England did play Freddie, and I I don't know too much about the show, it just I did see that like each it's like an anthology, so each episode's different, but I think Freddy's involved in some way in each of them. Uh it accidentally started playing for me on I think Tubi today, because I was watching uh I think that's where I watched um Frankenstein, and then it just started playing that instead, and I was like, what? Um and so yeah, like it's there are these characters that get these weird second lives, and I I just can't think of something like I don't know, I just I can't see Pearl getting like a TV show like that, or Art the Clown getting like a maybe maybe art like in a Tales of the Crypt Keeper style. I I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 43:59

I mean television now too with like all the streaming um honestly I wouldn't be shocked everyone gets a show at some point right like I mean I and they they did a scream TV series um they have the Welcome to Dairy series right they did do a scream TV show I never saw any of it yeah I I don't think it did well I think it just kind of came and went yeah um so like yeah like honestly I wouldn't be shocked if they did a Halloween one um yeah like I think especially now that uh like less people go to the theaters that might actually be a smarter thing and I mean like look at what Mike Flanagan's done.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

Oh yeah Mike Flanagan basically making his own universe of like horror anthology starting with like like I mean he was doing horror films and then Hellhouse like come comes around and um like the uh haunting of Hill House and all these things and just like you know like yeah that that was just a skyrocket for for for him um can I tell you my maybe one of my favorite horror icons sure uh I recently started re-watching the Hellraiser franchise fun fact never seen him I know oh yeah I know who uh Pinhead is um wow really that always like him in general scared the hell out of me it's uh very good designs like the characters are really spooky so I I wouldn't put them on the same level as a Michael Myers or Leatherface do you know what my weird uh stipulation is I think for icon status like true like out you know out the stratosphere icon can does my mom know who they are you know what I mean because my mom doesn't watch horror film she doesn't watch movies she doesn't watch TV like she doesn't pay attention to any of that but if I know my mom could go that's Michael Myers that's Leatherface and if I show her pinhead she'll be like ooh he's gross like that's all she'll say who Jason is I that isn't interesting. I'm like trying to think of my mom yeah she would know like Michael Myers um because Jason is also another kind of conundrum uh we we kind of touched on it earlier of like a character that doesn't appear like Jason doesn't show in the first movie like he he kind of is like in like the little boat flashback or like you know misdirect or whatever well and I mean he's in the very end because he like comes out of the water the the lake um but yeah it's his mom but yeah spoiler anyone who saw the first few minutes of scream uh yeah but like same thing with Pinhead rewatching um rewatching the movie I kind of forgot that he's he's kind of in it very briefly at the beginning and mostly near the end the the first movie focuses more on kind of the aftermath of something that occurred with Pinhead and the other Cenobites.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

In fact Pinhead doesn't even have a name they're just you just hear one person refer to them as the Cenobites um it's funny because I know like nothing about the Hellraiser like like like franchise um so you so yeah I mean like what's the the whole premise of like the so I'm gonna give you a little background on it because I think it's very fascinating I just stumbled upon this recently and kind of went down a rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

So Clive Barker uh was the creator of Pinhead and all the Cinepites and um you know this this whole franchise and uh Clive Barker is gay. He's a gay man who made uh you know the Hellraiser series and he was actually so uh enamored and kind of fascinated by like the leather daddy look and like the gay clubs and leather bars he would go to uh which I learned a whole thing about that which like the whole leather stuff came as like uh kind of a backlash in a way or like as a rebuttal to people being like oh gay people aren't manly enough and so gay people started adopting leather to kind of emulate like this hyper masculine view. Yeah so it was like Marlon Brando uh and oh what's called like the Wild One, the Wild Bunch, I can't remember yeah. So it was like Matt the imitating that and then like metal bands started doing it and a lot of straight metal bands were like yeah we're we're metal and then of course like Rob Halford from Judas Priest who was another gay man really is the one who like set it off to be like this is how you leather up. And so because of all these like gay undertones um or the like the you know that's yeah just because like it became very big in like the gay scene leather was a huge part of it and so Clive Barker was going to these bars and being like there's something really like interesting about this duality of like intense sexuality and um this kind of over abundance of leather and stuff and so that's why he started making these cenobites because they are all leather chained they have like these you know piercings like through their nipples and stuff like that. Which I just think is a very cool way to create I just think it's a cool way that he came up with these characters. But the actual first movie is basically it starts off with um just a guy talking to kind of like an old Chinese merchant who's selling him this cube.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

And when the cube gets solved the Cenobites basically come out and they capture you and they like rip your skin apart but they're they're doing it in a very like really sensual like oh your torture your pain will be our pleasure and there's no pleasure without pain. Like it's it's a very dominatrix right and then the rest of the movie actually kicks an effect where they the family moves into the house and um the guy that gets killed is actually knows someone in the family and then he kind of starts like kind of coming back to life and starts convincing the wife to like start murdering people so the blood can go in and he can basically rebuild his body and escape the Cenobites. And so it's very dark in that way and it's more of a family dynamic movie than it is. Oh it's so good man. It's so good. And then later movies they delve a lot more into like the Cinnabite lore and kind of their background but I think the reason Pinhead became so iconic was one his look is horrifying like when you see Pinhead you go yeesh like this is this is uncomfortable to look at like you look like a bad dude and also apparently a lot of Pinhead's lines were given to him by the other Cenobites because there was there were supposed to be like four of them all talking but two of them's makeup were so like intense they literally could not talk.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

And so they gave Pinhead more lines and so he kind of by default became the poster boy and the icon born by accident like yeah he he really was like he was not supposed to necessarily be I think it was supposed to be a group dynamic in a lot of ways like the fans of Hellraisers still see them as a group dynamic but I think most people when they think Hellraiser they go pinhead got I really do think he's high up there on the icon list and that's another franchise that's had seven or eight movies maybe even ten I can't honestly remember um but like they've had a lot yeah and I know they had like I think it came out like like the last one that was done recently they actually had like a trans actress play pinhead I think so um so yeah I mean that is kind of cool like that inclusion especially like knowing like what Barker was like going for and everything. So that that is kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

It is funny because I think we talked about it on a previous episode that uh I think we said the Babaduok became a gay icon, Megan became a gay icon. Like there's a lot like I have a lot of gay friends that love horror film. The the guy I brought up earlier that I uh said who saw the terrifier movies and didn't like them is a gay man and like loves horror films. There's some sort of correlation and I don't know what it is I can't really guess. I'll I'll ask Odie about it. See what he says. But let's look at some other final fringe icons I think. Would you consider Samara from the ring an icon? Now there's been a bunch of ring movies I don't think she's in all of them but I I could be wrong I've really only seen Ring and Ringu.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

This is also like like the funny thing is like is she an icon? She's iconic if you are iconic does that make you an icon I don't know it's a tough one which would are you leaning towards no then because you don't I so I've still never fully seen the ring like like I've like tried to like watch it.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Really?

SPEAKER_02 53:52

I've seen scary movie three so I get the gist but um um Williams so I don't know um I feel like I would listen to the argument like if someone was like really passionate about it. Um yeah it's like so I think because it's based off the j the Japanese I think it's Japanese. Yeah. Not Korean um but yeah so it's like Ringu and then Ringu 2 maybe or yeah I believe so yeah so like they did two of them um I mean she she is iconic I'll I'll say that I I don't know I'll default to you I guess if you think I I it's it's hard to say because she she people still kind of know her.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

She has a life in Dead by Daylight the video game you could play as her in that game and I think that kind of gives her a little bit more legs. I I almost lean towards like just barely yes but I think she's very like bottom of the tier of just passes into Icon.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

I think people like I I I haven't really seen it but I could picture people dressing up as her that would be a cool Halloween costume.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Yeah just put on a long black wig and like a wet onesie or a wet like not onesie a like sleep shirt or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Nightgown nightgown thank you onesie a snuggie um yeah that is like an interesting thing is uh one thing that I was thinking of are Godzilla and King Kong are they horror i icons the uh first Godzilla movie I think is considered a horror film but then all the ones after no I don't think so yeah I I lean towards no because godzilla's kind of a hero I guess in like a lot of them yeah yeah Godzilla's always fighting you know someone or other um it's always Godzilla versus another bad monster the reason I'm leaning towards no is because I also kind of compare it to Jaws where like do you consider the shark?

SPEAKER_00 56:29

I believe some people said his name's actually considered Bruce. Bruce yeah that that was what Spielberg called like the mechanical and so like Jaws again iconic movie but like no one's dressing up as the the Bruce stupid come on can't you tell from just my thin you're pissing me off you know what turn around days clear enough for you jackass that that reminds me Jack Torrents from the Shining do you consider that a a horror icon or does it not count because it's from a book maybe Dracula's from a book that's sure Dracula's from a book yeah Dracula's from a book Frankenstein Frankenstein's monster yeah um it's to an extent but it's like that as a low one it's like is Hannibal Lecter Yeah that I was kind of thinking that too like that it doesn't feel I could see people maybe dressing up as Hannibal Lecter and it would be scary if you saw someone walking around dressed up as Hannibal Lecter. You know what this you know I think I have a new measuring stick then uh my neighbor this last Halloween like a uh just like down the road from me they put out life size models of like Michael Myers and Freddie Krueger and Leatherface and um and Jason and everything and when I drove by their house one day I this before they put anything up at least uh or they were just starting their decorations were you like where's your Bruce jacket give us Bruce where's Sam from Trick or Treat Bruce Valanche? What the Bruce Pelanche in your yard the um with when I I was I was driving past their house and I looked down at my phone for a quick second to like switch the song over and I look up and I freak out because Michael Myers was right on the edge of their lawn.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

He's it it really did shake me like like you're not expecting like and I know it's a movie but you see like a tall humanoid with a knife standing right in front of you just like fuck it makes you jump I think that is why I'm I fully agree with the whole human aspect like yeah like there's shit about like Michael Myers that isn't very realistic. Like he withstands a great ton of pain but um he's like a human and uh Jason Voorhees to an extent human dead human um Freddy's creepy as hell because it's like everybody's gotta sleep at some point like that's a good scary one.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

And again human but like with some spectral speakiness. Especially if you go to Dream Warriors which is just just terrible and fun at the same time. Dream what?

SPEAKER_02 59:54

Have you you have you not seen uh I think it's the third movie Nightmare on Elm Street Dream Warriors I think I've still only I've seen the original and then the one with Jackie Earl Haley that the what like the reboot oh yeah all you have to know about Dream Warriors is the kids fight back using their like imaginations.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

And so like at one point like Freddie's like attacking is like I'm actually a wizard and he like turns into a wizard and like starts like shooting lightning at like Freddy it's so good. That's it's it's a perfect awful movie. Highly recommend oh man yeah we're were you thinking of any others like um like that that were like fringe I guess that you weren't sure about the other fringe one I was thinking of Sam from Trick or Treat is one that I think it yeah I would say no unfortunately and it hurts me because I love Trick or Treat.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Yeah yeah it's a great character thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Yeah and everyone who's seen that movie is like this movie's great and if you don't like it fuck you. Yeah right it really has a rabid fan base and I'm also part of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

If you don't like trick or treat fuck you how dare you I think I watched it like uh again last year because I hadn't seen it in a while and yeah it's still great. An anthology movie and yeah Candyman yeah I've still like is um is Tony Todd like the Candyman? Okay. Cause like I've still never seen it but it's like I know like him and then they made like the remake.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

So he is like like it isn't like he doesn't dress up as anything or like it's just what you what do you mean like he puts he doesn't like have a mask or anything or no no it's it's literally just like his face and in some versions he has like bees coming out of his face which I really don't like.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:55

Yeah. Not a fan of that nonsense at all yeah like like I was thinking about that because I know that that series is very popular too.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

Would you put the xenomorph I was thinking about that probably yeah that one seems iconic enough because it's yeah that that might be the only like that might be like the the last I would say like monster monster because after that I really do feel like it is Jason, Freddy, Pinhead, Ghostface, Chucky like more humanoid like creatures. And like even like Pennywise is not a human it's obviously like a you know monster in its own right but it's still humanoid in every representation that we see of Pennywise.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

I wonder if the rise of serial killers like made it to where like hey I mean people getting scared by this like that isn't an interesting thought that I just thought of for the first time like I think that's a a probably a very fair yeah I mean it might be why like you know the exorcist was probably super big in the 70s because the occult was still kind of having a lot of panic and now like in the 80s and like the 90s you know there was always murders and and shootings and stuff that maybe that made it a bit more um not yeah and I know like that that's just like where the the cultural fear lied. Yeah and I know the the Manson murders like had a huge effect and I mean it happened you know in Hollywood pretty much so you know it's so yeah I feel like that could have had a big impact.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:43

I wonder if we're gonna start getting more um like technological horror films. With Megan being kind of the the catalyst for that because that seems like where a lot of fear and concern is right now with our world is where's technology going, where's AI going? It seems like that would be the most obvious route to go hey people are a little freaked out by AI let's make some like killer robot movies.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Yeah I mean yeah and like is the Terminator like horror Icon the uh first one I mean is a bad guy but but like I I I I don't know sometimes I just struggle it's like like with jaws it's like it's suspense it's just like I don't think of it as horror like l like I I've kind of cooled on like you know yeah I I understand like it it's scary but it's like I don't know it's not like you know Michael Myers where it's like oh my gosh this killer's gonna get you like but it is I guess because this shark's gonna get you but it's like if you just stay out of the water you'll be alright Michael's gonna find you anywhere that's true the shark's gonna be like oh my my one weakness land that's true uh all right I got I have one more fringe one and then I have a final question I want to ask you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Okay. Um so my final fringe one is what about like the nun from the Conjuring movies? Got its own spin-offs got two two nun movies it's referenced in multiple conjuring films would you say that character has any kind of iconicness?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Well a coworker brought up to me too Annabelle um yeah Annabelle's you know like that doll is like iconic I guess but it's like but does it fall into the exorcist thing where it's technically the demon is the monster Annabelle the doll is just a doll just sitting there and I don't think you ever see it like kill anyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

Yeah it's always there and then Disappears and you're like, whoa. That's true. The doll's not like actually strangling people.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Yeah. So like the nun is like scary.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

Um what's the what's the demon's name? Like Gobaghool or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

Gobaghoul. I am a getcha. That's a spicy corpse. Um I I don't seem like a no then for you. I I thought about it and I was like, I don't think so. Like, not to me. Um, but I think it's like a scary visual. Like, like the whole villain is freaky looking and like it goes like those jump scares, some of them like get me. It's like, is the house in paranormal activity? The doors are opening and shutting slightly.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Well then, Ricky, do you have any final thoughts before I ask you one final question?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:12

Um not not really. Um, I would say though, like, you know, I would definitely like if you're passionate about one, it's like um leave them in the comments below. Like we wanna like here.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

Um Throw a brick through our window with your answers on that brick.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

Um, yeah, like like I'm always down to like, you know, talk about like horror's one of my favorite genres, so like, yeah, like I'm always like, you know, yeah, like there isn't one that I'm like super like against, like, no, this is definitely not like screw you.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Like everyone can make a pretty decent case for anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

Yeah, because I'm I'm curious, like, maybe if we do ask people that are probably that were maybe in their teens or twenties when they watched Terrifier or Pearl or Megan, if in their minds they are already like S tier icons.

unknown 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:18

And compared to people like us who've seen movies, you know, from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 89, you know, so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

Like, is art what Ghostface was to us? Like Yeah, I I don't know. It's possible, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:34

We'll see these this coming Halloween if any get any art the clowns. See who the bad parents are.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

I don't trust that guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

Well then let me ask you one final question and then we'll we'll disappear into this good night here. Ricky, this is a classic question of fuck Mary Kill.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:53

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

And we're gonna do the some of the big ones you spoke of earlier.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:59

I don't want to fuck any of these.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

Ricky, do you wanna fuck Michael Myers, Leatherface, or Jason Voorhees? Fuck Mary Kill of those three. Alright. He's taking his pants off, audience.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

I'm really pondering this. Leatherface is the tough one here.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:32

In what way?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

If I marry him, would would he be like gentle with with me? Like it's like, could I save myself his wrath by marrying him? I'm gonna say yes. So I'm gonna marry the- I can change him. Yeah. Well, I mean, just like you, you can do you boo, but like I'm gonna like not be a victim.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

I'm just picturing you like, you know, putting on your jacket like he's about to put someone on the hook. He's like, okay, well, I need to run to the store for a bit. Need anything?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

Do you need I wasn't asking you. I'm talking to my husband, excuse me. Uh I'll I'll kill Jason.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:21

Wow, which is tough because man does not die.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

Well, you did it. He's dying, alright. That's the name of the game, jackass. Alright, so uh, and then I'm fucking Michael. Because like Michael's probably the most attractive of the three.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

Unless you're into that Jason shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:46

That drowned freak. Ugh.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:48

Yeah. Freaks out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:50

That you know what? I I respect your choices. But that is all the time that we have today. We will be taking next week off for just a little summer vacation, but we will be back the following week with more movie nonsense. I've been Brandon. With me, as always, is Ricky, and please go watch some movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:10

Bye bye.